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The Late Debate | 11 November · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the late Dr Vabes.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I am well and truly wired for soundy
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Speaker 2: I can tell you that.
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Speaker 1: And as for Kamala Harris, we.
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Speaker 2: Don't know whether she can spell three D, but of
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Speaker 2: course of artificial intelligence. She once famously said it's two
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Speaker 2: letters A I. I'm glad she's not the president. Welcome
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Speaker 2: to the program tonight. I'm Caleb Bond with Freier Leitch
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Speaker 2: and Joe Hildebrand. Here's what's coming up on the program.
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Speaker 2: The US is putting fat people on notice, not the
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Speaker 2: ones who live there. It is, of course famously one
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Speaker 2: of the obesity capitals of the world, but foreigners who
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Speaker 2: want to visit, your visa may be denied because your
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Speaker 2: waste is too wide. One state is going to come
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Speaker 2: down hard on people selling illicit cigarettes and vapes, and
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Speaker 2: meanwhile criminals are fraudulently using the names of legitimate businesses
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Speaker 2: to import these products. Both of these stories Intomorrow's papers.
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Speaker 2: And Melbourne is so grubby that tourists are now cleaning
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Speaker 2: up the city of their own volition. We will show
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Speaker 2: you that story and that footage a little bit later,
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Speaker 2: but let's start in Sydney tonight, where a small school.
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Speaker 1: It's only got.
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Speaker 2: About sixty odd students in the Inner West in Newtown
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Speaker 2: called the Athena School. Has raised the ire of many
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Speaker 2: because it turns out it has links to Scientology, and
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Speaker 2: not only that it's receiving significant government funding. Now, this
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Speaker 2: school says it is not linked to Scientology, and it
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Speaker 2: says that it doesn't teach anything about Scientology at its school.
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Speaker 2: It says everything it teaches is entirely secular. But what
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Speaker 2: is in fact happening is that the Athena School pays
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Speaker 2: a subscription fee to an outfit out of the United
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Speaker 2: States called Applied Scholastics, and they pay this fee, this
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Speaker 2: licensing fee, to get access to a teaching method that
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Speaker 2: was devised by el Ron Hubbard. Elron Hubbard being the
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Speaker 2: man who up with scientology. So this school pays money
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Speaker 2: in order to use his teaching method which he wrote
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Speaker 2: down and called study technology. Now they say, the school
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Speaker 2: that they are not linked to Scientology.
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Speaker 1: The only problem is that.
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Speaker 2: Applied Scholastics is a subsidiary of a nonprofit called Association
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Speaker 2: for Better Living and Education, and that itself is the
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Speaker 2: charitable arm of the Church of Scientology. So it is
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Speaker 2: entirely true and fair to say that there is a
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Speaker 2: school operating in Sydney that has links to the Church
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Speaker 2: of Scientology through other subsidiaries and is paying a fee
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Speaker 2: so it can use studying methods teaching methods devised by
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Speaker 2: the man who came up with the Church of Scientology. This,
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Speaker 2: of course a church that is recognized here legally as
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Speaker 2: a church in Australia, but one invented by a man
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Speaker 2: who was a science fiction writer in the nineteen fifties.
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Speaker 2: It is regarded by many other nations as a cult.
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Speaker 2: And there have been many people ex students from this
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Speaker 2: school and others who've had this sort of study technology
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Speaker 2: used upon them when they were students join This has
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Speaker 2: been reported in your paper, the Daily Telegraph over the
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Speaker 2: weekend and more stories today with these students saying that
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Speaker 2: they were actively harmed by this study method. So why
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Speaker 2: do we have a school in Sydney that has since
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Speaker 2: twenty fourteen received five million dollars in funding from both
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Speaker 2: state and federal governments combined us from the tax paper
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Speaker 2: that has links to a church that is regarded by
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Speaker 2: many other countries as a cult.
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Speaker 3: It is just staggering, isn't It's amazing? I think that's
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Speaker 3: what would be eye opening to most people, that there's
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Speaker 3: actually a school effectively run by the Church of Scientology,
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Speaker 3: or at least one that subscribes to the techniques of
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Speaker 3: its founder l Ron Hubbard and pays fees to an
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Speaker 3: organization designed to promote these tes techniques to the world,
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Speaker 3: even though it says it's not actually applying those techniques
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Speaker 3: here in Australia and that all the teaching that it
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Speaker 3: does is purely secular, which makes me wonder, why are
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Speaker 3: you wasting your money paying for a fee to use
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Speaker 3: this program when you're not even using it.
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Speaker 4: Oh, that's it.
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Speaker 3: Because scientologists are so rich, they got more money than
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Speaker 3: they know what to do with and they just set
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Speaker 3: up a brand spanking new, huge headquarters in Sydney and
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Speaker 3: the Northern Beaches in Chatswood. I believe it is because
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Speaker 3: Chatswood doesn't have enough giant, sort of sprawling complexes in it.
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Speaker 3: And what also strikes me is really interesting about this
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Speaker 3: Maybe this is why I'm obsessed with it, but that
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Speaker 3: I used to run. We used to live in the
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Speaker 3: next suburb along and I used to run past this
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Speaker 3: school every day when I was having a run, and
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Speaker 3: I'd look at it and think that's a weird school.
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Speaker 3: There never seemed to be anyone in there, There never
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Speaker 3: seem to be any signs of life. It looked like
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Speaker 3: one of these sort of hippie trippy so I thought,
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Speaker 3: is it like a Montessori school or Steiner School, one
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Speaker 3: of those kind of hippie independent, kind of you know,
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Speaker 3: left of center schools. And now, of course it has
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Speaker 3: been revealed thanks to my beloved coldy colleague this is
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Speaker 3: an Irish name I can't pronounce. And she has also
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Speaker 3: found someone who went to the Athenis School and talked
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Speaker 3: about some of the methods and that she's it's amazing.
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Speaker 3: There's even a photograph of some of the material that
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Speaker 3: scientologists read and it's just bonker stuff. It just makes
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Speaker 3: no sense. It's all about being over or withheld or something.
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Speaker 3: And you've got to do all this stuff because if
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Speaker 3: you hold onto this stuff, it'll be like being pierced
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Speaker 3: by a spear's They call anyone who disagrees with them suppressive,
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Speaker 3: So if you come out against them, you will They say,
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Speaker 3: I know you're trying to hold down the light that
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Speaker 3: emanates from within all of us. They say that they
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Speaker 3: believe that everyone has a thing inside and like the
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Speaker 3: kind of soul or whatever called a thetan, which is
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Speaker 3: your sort of soul, but that your soul hasn't just
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Speaker 3: lived for as long as you've lived, It's lived for
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Speaker 3: like multiple multil different lives. I'm not sure if ancient
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Speaker 3: Egypt might be involved in some aliens as well somewhere
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Speaker 3: back there that can be quite secretive about their origin story.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, this is a religion invented by.
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Speaker 3: So guys completely and there's all these crazy rituals like I've
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Speaker 3: got the Sea org the Sea Organization where people and
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Speaker 3: people talk.
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Speaker 4: About all sorts of things. Yeah, but all that aside.
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Speaker 3: They say that what they're teaching at this school is
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Speaker 3: just secular. They have to show their curriculum to the
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Speaker 3: government to show that it meets the standards that the
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Speaker 3: government expects and teaches all the things that the government
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Speaker 3: says it has to teach to qualify for funding. And
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Speaker 3: apparently it does because that's how it gets it. And
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Speaker 3: the reason why it's getting extra money is because if
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Speaker 3: you're a very small school, to get a bonus payment
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Speaker 3: to cover the fact that you've still got to have
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Speaker 3: a building and you know, the resources and everything, even
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Speaker 3: though you don't have the economies.
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Speaker 4: Of scale that larger schools have. So bonkers, but I
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Speaker 4: don't think it's illegal.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I'm not here to defend the Church of
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Speaker 5: Scientology by any means, and I'm not really sure if
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Speaker 5: you can call it a church. I feel like they
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Speaker 5: mainly did that for tax purposes. But at the same time,
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Speaker 5: as you point out, Joe, this school says it's been
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Speaker 5: operating for thirty years, it has to meet the NASA standards. Now,
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Speaker 5: there is a different conversation we can have around should
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Speaker 5: the government be funding schools that are promoting values not
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Speaker 5: aligned with our Australian values.
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Speaker 6: I think that is a very strong argument to make.
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Speaker 5: But then that would apply to a range of religious
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Speaker 5: schools as well, and I don't know what kind some
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Speaker 5: of the more fundamentalist Islamic schools, or you know, the
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Speaker 5: Brethren schools. There are plenty of culty schools you can
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Speaker 5: find out.
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Speaker 2: That's a fair point, but I think it's also it's
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Speaker 2: government funding going to a school that is paying a
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Speaker 2: subscription fee to an outfit that you know, they pay
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Speaker 2: a license so they can use a Waco teaching method,
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Speaker 2: And why should the government be funding schools that subscribe
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Speaker 2: to wareco teaching methods.
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Speaker 5: Well, if they can meet the standards the Nessa's prescribed,
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Speaker 5: then I guess if parents want to send their kids there,
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Speaker 5: then they do.
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Speaker 2: And that's just do it, get it under your own steam,
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Speaker 2: are we Well.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 5: But speaking of children, a Hollywood a lister, she was
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Speaker 5: a star and a very popular teen drama called Pretty
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Speaker 5: Little Liars. Her name's Shane Mitchell. Well, she's launched a
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Speaker 5: skincare brand for children. Yes, because apparently now children it
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Speaker 5: needs to be worried about their skincare routines.
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Speaker 6: Here's the ad for this new brand.
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Speaker 7: What is Renie is body in Korean, which means children.
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Speaker 7: So when we first started thinking about Renie, we started
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Speaker 7: looking out how can we make a better products that
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Speaker 7: actually parents could trust, the kids want to try.
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Speaker 5: Now we've approached Reni for comment and it is worth
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Speaker 5: noting that these products won't be available in Australia. But
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Speaker 5: what is strange is this rise in children participating in
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Speaker 5: adult behaviors.
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Speaker 6: Adult women have skincare routines.
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Speaker 5: It's not something you should even be thinking about when
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Speaker 5: you're five, six, seven years old. And I can't help
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Speaker 5: but think by putting a product like this out there,
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Speaker 5: are you simply just promoting insecurities in young girls that
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Speaker 5: just shouldn't exist. On social media now you can see
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Speaker 5: video after video of children as young as four or
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Speaker 5: five years old doing their makeup routine, doing skin care
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Speaker 5: before they go to school.
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Speaker 6: It's plain weird and I don't think this is healthy
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Speaker 6: for kids. Let them be kids.
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Speaker 2: Well, this is what the co founder, Shane Mitchell said
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Speaker 2: on social media. She said, Renie isn't about beauty. It's
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Speaker 2: about self care, about teaching our kids that taking care
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Speaker 2: of themselves can be fun, mental, and safe.
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Speaker 1: Kids are naturally curious.
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Speaker 2: And instead of ignoring that, we can embrace it with safe,
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Speaker 2: gentle products parents can trust and sweet moments that bring
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Speaker 2: us closer.
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Speaker 3: And of course I'll be doing that for free, for
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Speaker 3: the good of yeah exactly.
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Speaker 2: I mean, someone get me the vomited, Like honest, I
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Speaker 2: really think that it is unhealthy to introduce this stuff
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Speaker 2: to kids so young, because we know at a psychological
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Speaker 2: level how bad eating disorders and image disorders have become
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Speaker 2: over the last couple of decades, three decades, particularly since
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Speaker 2: the rise of the Internet. Right because girls in particular,
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Speaker 2: but boys alto to some degree, can more readily compare
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Speaker 2: themselves to other people than ever before, and surely this
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Speaker 2: sort of product. Look, I mean, you know it's up
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Speaker 2: to parents to make these decisions for themselves. But when
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Speaker 2: you're making a product that is specifically marketed for children
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Speaker 2: and saying this is the way you can get your
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Speaker 2: children involved in skincare at four or five years old,
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Speaker 2: I mean, just let.
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Speaker 1: Kids be kids.
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Speaker 2: It's introducing them to things that they really don't need
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Speaker 2: to think about.
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Speaker 1: A worry.
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Speaker 3: Well, you guys are in for the shock of your lives,
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Speaker 3: just as I was, because I went through this exact
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Speaker 3: same thing for real, in real time, in real life
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Speaker 3: this year where my eight ro old daughter suddenly was
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Speaker 3: just obsessed with skincare, just absolutely obsessed. It was like
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Speaker 3: remember the Coca Cola yoyos and he used to have
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Speaker 3: back in the day. It was like that, It's just
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Speaker 3: one minute as nothing, and next minute it's just like
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Speaker 3: she knows every single brand she wants to you know,
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Speaker 3: she wants to get all these things. She's got this
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Speaker 3: list of things she wants to do for Christmas. It's
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Speaker 3: all over YouTube. As noted, there so no wonder. You know,
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Speaker 3: Hollywood a list is looking for a side hustle, thinking
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Speaker 3: this is the next big thing, And I've got to
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Speaker 3: tell you, it is huge, and it is ridiculously overpriced,
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Speaker 3: and it is outrageously kind of narcissistic and self indulgent.
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Speaker 3: And I've completely and utterly fallen for it and bought
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Speaker 3: her stuff because she is obsessed by and won't leave
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Speaker 3: me alone, and it's all she wants, just doesn't want
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Speaker 3: anything else.
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Speaker 5: A lot of it is just objectively harmful for children, don't.
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Speaker 3: I don't think No, I think it is objectively exploited,
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Speaker 3: like it's using as cash cows obviously, like frankly, any
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Speaker 3: toy range or any any range for kids does. But
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Speaker 3: it's not about and I was super obviously, super mindful
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Speaker 3: of that.
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Speaker 4: You know, is she you know?
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Speaker 3: Because the last thing one is anything that sexualizes them obviously,
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Speaker 3: or anything that leads them to think that they're not
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Speaker 3: beautiful or pretty enough. And I'm extremely alert to any
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Speaker 3: of that. But most of it I think kind of isn't.
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Speaker 3: It's almost more sort of banal and and sort of
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Speaker 3: well literally skin deep than that, Like it's kind of
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Speaker 3: it's almost meaningless.
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Speaker 4: It's just it's a.
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Speaker 3: Thing that that that's hot because it's hot. It's a
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Speaker 3: thing that they love because they see kids on YouTube
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Speaker 3: doing it and they want to do it.
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Speaker 5: It's one hundred percent a fad, it's the trend. It's
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Speaker 5: the thing of the moment for kids. But a lot
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Speaker 5: of the stuff they're putting on their fae sometimes they
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Speaker 5: include retinols, which are for wrinkles, and you see these
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Speaker 5: eight year old kids putting on wrinkle creem.
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Speaker 2: Well maybe they could use it on some babies, because
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Speaker 2: I've seen some pretty wrinkled up the babies.
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Speaker 5: But that's cute, but it is absurd, and you do
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Speaker 5: have to wonder what does this do? This creates insecurities
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Speaker 5: that just shouldn't be created. Let's get kids off devices
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Speaker 5: and just back into the real world. That's the primary problem.
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Speaker 3: That's why I support the YouTube band, so they're not
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Speaker 3: constantly watching these videos of and why did you see
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Speaker 3: other stuff? If if you wear the Secret Room's craze,
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Speaker 3: that's what my see. There's the whole There is a
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Speaker 3: whole world out there that kids are absolutely up to
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Speaker 3: their necks in and it will blow your minds and
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Speaker 3: it's not harmful. It's just extremely, extremely dumb.
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Speaker 1: We won't start on six seven anyway.
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Speaker 3: Moving on to body positivity issues, it seems like a
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Speaker 3: few prospective tourists to the Grand Old United States of
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Speaker 3: America could be suffering from some body shaming because the
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Speaker 3: US State Department has said that they could actually ban
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Speaker 3: people from entering the US if they are. And you
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Speaker 3: might want to get your pot and your kettle and
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Speaker 3: just compare the colors on them. When I say this,
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Speaker 3: too fat so the nation and I actually looked this
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Speaker 3: up this evening, the nation that is the fattest, the
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Speaker 3: most obese Western nation.
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Speaker 4: In the world.
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Speaker 3: Everyone ahead of it as all these sort of Pacific
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Speaker 3: islander countries where it's kind of like part of their
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Speaker 3: rugby training or whatever.
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Speaker 4: I don't know, But the.
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Speaker 3: Fattest Western nation in the world the United States forty
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Speaker 3: two I think from memory of percent of its population
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Speaker 3: is morbidly obese. Australia's not doing too bad, by the way,
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Speaker 3: thirty two, and New Zealand is even higher than us
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Speaker 3: on thirty four, So suck on that little brother.
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Speaker 4: Anyway.
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Speaker 3: Actually knowing the New Zealanders, I'll probably take that literally
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Speaker 3: over a go off for a lollipop but anyway, so
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Speaker 3: the Americans have said no, if you're obese, this could
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Speaker 3: put you at higher risk of cardiovascular diseases, respiraty diseases,
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Speaker 3: high blood pressures, sleep out here, can di dibeta.
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Speaker 4: You know everything.
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Speaker 3: We know it's not very healthy to be super fat
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Speaker 3: and saying no, you can't come in because you'd be
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Speaker 3: too much of a burden on our healthcare system, which
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Speaker 3: I thought people had to pay through the nose for
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Speaker 3: anyone setting in on the ground floor, like skincare products
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Speaker 3: for kids, Like let's get all these favorable over here
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Speaker 3: that they have a heart attack and they will charge
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Speaker 3: them twenty grand.
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Speaker 4: To fix it.
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Speaker 2: But the fact that they have such a high obesity
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Speaker 2: rate is why they have to stem the flow of
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Speaker 2: them coming into the country.
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Speaker 1: Because they have enough problems as it is. Why do
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Speaker 1: they want more fat people.
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Speaker 2: Coming in and potentially putting a burden on the system.
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Speaker 1: I think it's hilarious though this is not a new idea.
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Speaker 2: It's a straight rip from Sasha Baron Cohen Ali g
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Speaker 2: about twenty years ago.
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Speaker 3: We ain't got enough fit women, and we've got too
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Speaker 3: many mingers.
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Speaker 8: No offense, Karen, So why don't we just let in
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Speaker 8: order fit refugees and turn away all the rank once
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Speaker 8: that way we solve both problems.
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Speaker 1: We is nubbing two birds with one Connie in it.
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Speaker 2: I was just trying to sit around much an LG
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Speaker 2: got a good policy there.
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Speaker 3: Look, I can't fault the science, I can't fault the
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Speaker 3: policy research behind that, Kayla. But I have to say,
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Speaker 3: I beg to differ and I propose a counter policy
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Speaker 3: that takes things very much in a different direction.
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Speaker 4: So there you go, kayleab.
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Speaker 3: But I present you with my rebuttal can't argue with that.
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Speaker 1: One can't argue with that.
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Speaker 6: One very very good.
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Speaker 5: But in all seriousness, this is actually a very sensible policy,
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Speaker 5: and it is part of a broader principle in the
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Speaker 5: US v is a system, which is in our visa
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Speaker 5: system as well. You shouldn't come to a country unless
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Speaker 5: you can support yourself.
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Speaker 1: You should.
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Speaker 5: We don't want you in a country where you then
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Speaker 5: have to rely on benefits and other taxpayers to support you.
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Speaker 5: They're now saying the same thing with retirees. If you
17:15
Speaker 5: want to move there, you have to be able to
17:17
Speaker 5: show that you can support yourself in retirement with no
17:20
Speaker 5: income in a nursing home.
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Speaker 6: The full thing.
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Speaker 5: So this really does make perfect sense, and it's all
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Speaker 5: about self sufficiency. But yeah, if you want to travel
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Speaker 5: to the US anytime soon, I would start working out
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Speaker 5: and trimming down the calories because it sounds pretty rupeless.
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Speaker 2: Credit that you got to You gotta shred anyway, because
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Speaker 2: but when you get to the US and start eating
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Speaker 2: their food over there, you're going to put on five
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Speaker 2: kilo anyway.
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Speaker 4: I have to go through L A X. You're probably
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Speaker 4: gonna lose.
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Speaker 1: How does the how does the repsong go?
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Speaker 2: I like big butts and I cannot lie you other
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Speaker 2: brothers can't deny. I think.
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Speaker 1: You know what I get into the US.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you some Well, if they're going to talk about,
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Speaker 2: you know, cutting people out, you can't go to the US.
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Speaker 2: He g's some people that they should just deport to
18:06
Speaker 2: make room for some people to come into the country.
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Speaker 2: Of course, you know about the death of Charlie Kirk,
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Speaker 2: and we've talked when it happened about people in the US,
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Speaker 2: in particular mocking the death of Charlie Kirk. Of course,
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Speaker 2: he was shot in the neck while he was practicing
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Speaker 2: free speech, and you know it was the ultimate attack
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Speaker 2: on free speech, right in front of a crowd of
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Speaker 2: people at a university campus in Utah. We were talking
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Speaker 2: last week about a teacher here in Australia in Adelaide
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Speaker 2: who went to Halloween dressed up as Charlie Kirk and
18:38
Speaker 2: how distasteful that was. We'll take a look at these
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Speaker 2: people in California who rocked up to a turning point event,
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Speaker 2: and of course turning point was Charlie Kirk's outfit and
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Speaker 2: shouting these lovely words if you're did homie, I mean,
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Speaker 2: for goodness sake, and they're holding up signs they're saying
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Speaker 2: that they're anti fascist. Yes, because anti fascists are well
19:10
Speaker 2: known for endorsing political violence. Like that is surely as
19:17
Speaker 2: close to incitement to violence as you can find. If
19:21
Speaker 2: you're standing in a public place shouting if you're dead, homie,
19:26
Speaker 2: when someone has been shot in the neck, surely you
19:29
Speaker 2: were just fomenting people to go and do the same
19:32
Speaker 2: thing to others.
19:33
Speaker 4: Yeah.
19:34
Speaker 5: And apparently the group that led these protests these happened
19:37
Speaker 5: at UC Berkeley, which is a notoriously left wing progressive
19:41
Speaker 5: college in California, and the student group that spearheaded it
19:46
Speaker 5: was Antifa, the anti fascist group that has now been
19:50
Speaker 5: designated as a domestic terror group in the United States.
19:54
Speaker 5: So what I don't understand is how they're.
19:56
Speaker 6: Still actually able to operate freely.
19:59
Speaker 5: Why have they not been cracked down on they have
20:02
Speaker 5: been designated a domestic terror group, They're continuing to go
20:06
Speaker 5: out into the streets. They had hundreds of police at
20:09
Speaker 5: the university to protect the students who wanted to go
20:13
Speaker 5: to the Turning Point event from the hundreds of students
20:16
Speaker 5: who formed this violent mob.
20:18
Speaker 6: They let off flares, fireworks obviously.
20:21
Speaker 5: Chanted those disgusting chants. But where are the authorities? Where
20:26
Speaker 5: is the police and how are they able to hold
20:29
Speaker 5: the whole campus hostage? I mean, you've got a president
20:32
Speaker 5: now that's made it very clear this kind of behavior
20:35
Speaker 5: won't be tolerated.
20:37
Speaker 6: So we need to see some real action because that
20:40
Speaker 6: is not okay.
20:41
Speaker 3: No, And the problem is the problem for authorities is
20:44
Speaker 3: Antifa isn't really an organization. It's more of a movement,
20:47
Speaker 3: and so it's like sort of trying to slap the
20:49
Speaker 3: cuffs on running water. You've just got people who might
20:53
Speaker 3: happen to believe these things, but do they have a
20:55
Speaker 3: membership card?
20:56
Speaker 4: No so.
20:57
Speaker 3: But the lamest thing about the though is that you've
21:01
Speaker 3: got you know again, like you said, you see Berkeley, right,
21:04
Speaker 3: University of California, Berkeley and San Francisco, you know, the
21:07
Speaker 3: people who put flowers in their hair in the Summer
21:09
Speaker 3: of love. And now they're trying to sound all street,
21:11
Speaker 3: you know, like they're rock in the corners and like,
21:14
Speaker 3: you know, if you're dead, homie, you know, what do
21:16
Speaker 3: you do? You know, pop a cap in his hoss.
21:18
Speaker 3: Like these are the lamest, whitest, upper middle class, you know, socialists,
21:24
Speaker 3: university students you could possibly get. But they're trying to
21:27
Speaker 3: sound like they're sort of, you know, down with the homies,
21:30
Speaker 3: and that I reckon is just one of the most
21:33
Speaker 3: interesting things because ultimately with Antifa is their cry bullies.
21:36
Speaker 4: They're people who do horrible, horrible.
21:38
Speaker 3: Things and attack people in various cowardly ways, and there's
21:41
Speaker 3: been stories of them throwing you know, you know, you know,
21:45
Speaker 3: large cups filled with cement or whatever at people and
21:48
Speaker 3: horrible things.
21:49
Speaker 4: But then if you say anything.
21:50
Speaker 1: Baby, oh your fashions stop appressing me.
21:53
Speaker 4: But now they're trying to sound like cool.
21:56
Speaker 1: It's like bring back water cannons.
21:58
Speaker 5: I reckon exactly get rid of all of them, but
22:01
Speaker 5: speaking of someone who has gone through a bit of
22:04
Speaker 5: a change in behavior, what.
22:06
Speaker 6: We wish and Tiefa would do.
22:08
Speaker 1: In fact, Al Khada is.
22:11
Speaker 5: Actually the Syrian president al Sharah. He is the first
22:16
Speaker 5: Syrian president to ever be received at the White House
22:20
Speaker 5: and that happened today in this historic meeting with Donald Trump.
22:25
Speaker 5: Now just have a listen to how Trump described Al
22:29
Speaker 5: Shara and his meeting with the Syrian president.
22:32
Speaker 8: We want to see Siria become a country that's very successful,
22:36
Speaker 8: and I think this leader can do it.
22:38
Speaker 4: I really do.
22:38
Speaker 8: I think this leader can do it. And people said
22:41
Speaker 8: he's had a rough past. We've all had rough pasts,
22:44
Speaker 8: but he has had a rough past, and I think, frankly,
22:47
Speaker 8: if you didn't have a rough past, you wouldn't have
22:48
Speaker 8: a chance.
22:51
Speaker 5: Just a footnote on that rough pass the Trump is
22:53
Speaker 5: alluding to. He was actually charged by Abu Baka al
22:57
Speaker 5: Baghdaddy that the Trump administration famously executed back in twenty nineteen.
23:02
Speaker 6: You'll remember Trump said he died like a dog.
23:05
Speaker 5: That was Abu Baka albag Daddy. So that notorious terrorist
23:12
Speaker 5: gave al Shara the command to expand al Qaeda into Syria.
23:17
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, look, you know, my rough past
23:20
Speaker 2: is like I've done some questionable things in pubs two
23:23
Speaker 2: Am after Red Skinful in his rough past?
23:26
Speaker 1: Is Iran a terror organization? Slightly, We've all done things
23:29
Speaker 1: with regret.
23:30
Speaker 3: You know, I joined a terror organization, a terror organization.
23:33
Speaker 5: You know, I left the past, join a terror organization
23:36
Speaker 5: that for twenty years was trying to kill US troops
23:41
Speaker 5: in the region. It's pretty radical, But to be fair
23:44
Speaker 5: to al Shara, in twenty thirteen he split from albag Daddy,
23:48
Speaker 5: and he claims by twenty sixteen he was on his
23:51
Speaker 5: path to being a more moderate leader.
23:55
Speaker 6: And I guess, you.
23:56
Speaker 5: Know, there is some extent to which Trump may be
23:59
Speaker 5: right that perhaps what it takes in some of these
24:02
Speaker 5: Middle Eastern countries where they have been so war torn
24:05
Speaker 5: for so long, is someone who speaks that language, who
24:10
Speaker 5: knows how to use force, who can kind of control
24:14
Speaker 5: the country and the warring factions. So we'll see. I
24:18
Speaker 5: do hope Syria does well. I think it'll be good
24:20
Speaker 5: for the whole region. But they're going to need hundreds
24:23
Speaker 5: of billions of dollars to rebuild after their fourteen year
24:26
Speaker 5: long civil war.
24:27
Speaker 6: So we'll see how that goes.
24:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the thing.
24:30
Speaker 3: So al Qaida actually, strangely enough, did become more moderate,
24:35
Speaker 3: but only because an even more extreme terror group sprung
24:39
Speaker 3: up in Syria at the same time. This is of
24:41
Speaker 3: course ISIS or Islamic State, and then you had Isis,
24:46
Speaker 3: al Qaeder, other sort of ragtag groups. And then so
24:49
Speaker 3: that the moderate sort of good guys, if you like,
24:51
Speaker 3: in the Syrian civil war who are trying to bring
24:53
Speaker 3: democracy to Syria, and you had these guys who wanted
24:56
Speaker 3: to bring a theocracy to Syria. Both involved the overthrow
25:00
Speaker 3: of the Assad government obviously, and they basically decided, we'll
25:05
Speaker 3: just kill the government that we both hate for opposite reasons,
25:08
Speaker 3: and then we'll just kill each other and see who wins, presumably.
25:11
Speaker 4: And this is.
25:11
Speaker 3: Why the US had a real problem with funding the
25:15
Speaker 3: moderate rebels, quite unquite moderate rebels, because they knew that
25:18
Speaker 3: any guns and weapons that they gave for the moderates
25:20
Speaker 3: would immediately just been taken by the al Qaeder affiliates
25:23
Speaker 3: and ISIS, And so eventually it got to the situation
25:26
Speaker 3: that the point where they were just there were so
25:29
Speaker 3: many bad guys in every direction.
25:31
Speaker 4: The US was having to make a choice, do we go.
25:34
Speaker 3: In on the side of Alisade, who's using chemical weapons
25:37
Speaker 3: against children, or do we go in on the side
25:39
Speaker 3: of what is basically a front for al Qaeda and ISIS.
25:43
Speaker 4: And the US kind of just went.
25:46
Speaker 3: Where and handed it over to Russia and Iran, and
25:50
Speaker 3: Russia and Iran did the things that the US was
25:53
Speaker 3: scared to do, like, for example, bombed by Jesus out
25:56
Speaker 3: of the good rebels because they knew that they were
25:59
Speaker 3: under my under bad rebels as well. And then Asad
26:02
Speaker 3: hangs on and his family hangs on, and then suddenly
26:07
Speaker 3: this rebel movement that everyone thought was dead suddenly just
26:11
Speaker 3: appears out of nowhere and overruns the capitol, and now
26:14
Speaker 3: they're in control. And the guy who was president of
26:17
Speaker 3: Syria a couple of years ago is now I think,
26:18
Speaker 3: hiding out playing golf in London or something.
26:21
Speaker 1: So I think it was a Rasha, didn't he rush.
26:26
Speaker 4: Playing golf in London? Taxi driver in Russia? White?
26:29
Speaker 2: And you see the thing is that there was obviously,
26:31
Speaker 2: as you said, there was a great movement to achieve
26:34
Speaker 2: regime change in Syria. But you've basically changed you one
26:39
Speaker 2: dodgy guy for another bad guy, right, and you've got
26:43
Speaker 2: now in Syria, I mean, sadly bad things, there's no
26:48
Speaker 2: doubt about that. But religiously, it was a reasonably peaceful
26:52
Speaker 2: operation he ran. There was not wide scale governmental discrimination
26:58
Speaker 2: against people different religions. It's rather a different story in
27:01
Speaker 2: Syria now since this fellow has taken over, you've had
27:04
Speaker 2: sort of Christians, you've had the sort of other minority
27:08
Speaker 2: Muslim sects across the country. That's become a big problem.
27:12
Speaker 2: But here he was talking to Fox News.
27:17
Speaker 9: In the last sixty years six Syria was isolated from
27:22
Speaker 9: the rest of the world, and there was a cutoff
27:24
Speaker 9: between the United States and Syria. And this is the
27:27
Speaker 9: first time a Syrian present visits to White House since
27:33
Speaker 9: the establishment of Syria in the foot Is of the
27:36
Speaker 9: last century. So after the fall of the former regime,
27:40
Speaker 9: Syria has into a new era. And this will build
27:44
Speaker 9: on a new strategy with the United States, especially with
27:47
Speaker 9: the United States.
27:49
Speaker 2: And look, you know, I know that Trump is doing
27:51
Speaker 2: his best to achieve some level of peace in the
27:54
Speaker 2: Middle East, and maybe that this will assist in that endeavor.
27:58
Speaker 2: But it does make me under comfortable seeing a man
28:01
Speaker 2: who until about five minutes ago was sort of a
28:04
Speaker 2: hellbent on the destruction of the United States, now being
28:07
Speaker 2: effectively endorsed by the.
28:09
Speaker 4: End Well, you know what.
28:09
Speaker 3: The other interesting thing about this is this is very
28:12
Speaker 3: much Trump being Trump, because it was Obama who famously
28:15
Speaker 3: said there was a red line and if a sad
28:17
Speaker 3: crossed it, the US would intervene and blow him to Kingdom.
28:20
Speaker 3: Come a Sad crossed it, the US did nothing.
28:23
Speaker 4: He called their bluff.
28:25
Speaker 3: It was Trump who got elected saying I'm not going
28:27
Speaker 3: to get involved in any wars in the Middle East
28:29
Speaker 3: and actually pulled a band in the Kurds in Syria,
28:33
Speaker 3: which in my view is absolutely shameful. But when he
28:36
Speaker 3: saw images of assad are using chemical weapons on kids,
28:40
Speaker 3: Trump instinctively just went right, that's it. I'm going to
28:43
Speaker 3: kill him bombed the but Jesus out of it. And
28:45
Speaker 3: that's why Trump particularly hates Assad. And so with this guy,
28:48
Speaker 3: it's the case of well, my enemy's enemy is my friend.
28:51
Speaker 4: So there you go, Trump being Trump.
28:54
Speaker 3: Let's go to something really important, though, something that really
28:56
Speaker 3: will kill you. And not just President Assad, although he
28:59
Speaker 3: will also kill you. You are not just al Qaeder,
29:01
Speaker 3: but they will also kill you, and isis as mentioned,
29:03
Speaker 3: will kill you. But they're gone now. It's just the
29:05
Speaker 3: rest of them that are still sort of sorting it
29:07
Speaker 3: out amongst themselves.
29:08
Speaker 4: And that is of course cigarettes.
29:10
Speaker 3: Yes, cigarettes will kill you, but not the legal cigarettes
29:12
Speaker 3: because we're buying less of them. The head of Dreat
29:16
Speaker 3: Supermarkets says that they've copped a one hundred million dollar
29:21
Speaker 3: hit as black markets smokes sales surge. So in other words,
29:26
Speaker 3: people aren't getting their cigarettes from the supermarket anymore because
29:30
Speaker 3: they're buying them legally on the black market. And that
29:32
Speaker 3: means not only the supermarkets not getting that revenue I'll gotten,
29:35
Speaker 3: though it may be, but at least getting it legally
29:37
Speaker 3: so I can go into things like jobs or pay
29:39
Speaker 3: their taxes. But they're also not getting a whole lot
29:42
Speaker 3: of other stuff. And I heard this from people friend
29:44
Speaker 3: of mine who runs a convenience store association in Australia,
29:47
Speaker 3: who says that they're not getting all the stuff that
29:50
Speaker 3: people would buy on top of the cigarettes.
29:52
Speaker 4: Although I don't know how they had any money left over.
29:55
Speaker 4: Exact problem when they're doing it.
29:57
Speaker 3: So you know, they come in cigarettes, loaf for bread,
30:00
Speaker 3: you know, letter of milk, and then you know why
30:02
Speaker 3: they go. They're not getting any of that now and
30:04
Speaker 3: so they're losing not just one hundred million, but even
30:08
Speaker 3: more on top of that. And of course Drake's Supermarket
30:10
Speaker 3: as you know cayleb South Australia.
30:13
Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, and this is the point that John Paul Drake,
30:17
Speaker 2: of course old Drake Supermarkets has made in saying that
30:21
Speaker 2: when you talk about a cigarette sale, that customer does
30:25
Speaker 2: go on to buy other things. He says, it's generally
30:27
Speaker 2: four other products that they will buy when they walk
30:30
Speaker 2: into a supermarket, be that milk, or bread or chewing gum,
30:33
Speaker 2: he says, to get rid of the terrible smell. And
30:36
Speaker 2: for us, that customer is now going elsewhere, which means
30:39
Speaker 2: we are missing out on about an extra twenty five
30:41
Speaker 2: to thirty five dollars worth of product that they would
30:44
Speaker 2: generally buy when they go into purchase a packet of cigarettes.
30:48
Speaker 2: And for a supermarket or any other shop, I mean,
30:51
Speaker 2: you know, imagine small Mum and Dad operates with a
30:54
Speaker 2: general store or something. That is a huge hit to
30:58
Speaker 2: your bottom line revenue that you otherwise would have been making,
31:03
Speaker 2: which is a huge hit to jobs. I mean, the
31:06
Speaker 2: sale of cigarettes in terms of money. For some supermarkets
31:09
Speaker 2: until now made up about ten percent of their revenue
31:13
Speaker 2: and then just watching that disappear overnight.
31:15
Speaker 1: So that's jobs that they have to cut.
31:18
Speaker 2: And you know, the Starks number is that not only
31:21
Speaker 2: have they lost one hundred million dollars in cigarette sales
31:24
Speaker 2: over four years, but they've seen a forty percent downturn
31:27
Speaker 2: in sales since July. I mean, that is how fast
31:30
Speaker 2: the illicit market is taking over now, and it's at
31:34
Speaker 2: a point where legitimate businesses are being.
31:36
Speaker 1: Squeezed for it.
31:37
Speaker 6: It's crazy.
31:38
Speaker 5: And it's not just Drakes that is losing money out
31:41
Speaker 5: of all of this week, as the tax payer are
31:43
Speaker 5: as well. Last year we lost three point three billion
31:48
Speaker 5: dollars in foregone excise revenue that should have been collected
31:53
Speaker 5: by the ATO but was not because the illicit trade
31:56
Speaker 5: is so bad.
31:57
Speaker 6: And we covered as story last week.
31:59
Speaker 5: That basically said the ATO is given up even trying
32:01
Speaker 5: to track illicit tobacco in Australia because it is completely
32:05
Speaker 5: out of control and it's so bad that even labor
32:08
Speaker 5: premiers are now calling on the federal government to do something,
32:12
Speaker 5: and all the cost of enforcement has been passed to
32:15
Speaker 5: the state government. But it's the federal government that is
32:19
Speaker 5: letting this stuff in that sets the tax policies as well,
32:22
Speaker 5: So something's got to change. But you know what's also
32:25
Speaker 5: going down, not just legal cigarette sales. The coalitions vote
32:29
Speaker 5: particularly among young people. The ANU does an election survey
32:35
Speaker 5: every election that tracks trends in voting among different demographics,
32:39
Speaker 5: and they've given a preview of this data to the
32:42
Speaker 5: ABC and it is absolutely dire. Just twenty one percent
32:49
Speaker 5: of millennials so those are people aged between twenty nine
32:53
Speaker 5: and forty four, voted for the coalition, and just twenty
32:57
Speaker 5: seven percent of gen Z those are people up to thirty.
33:02
Speaker 6: Now, what is particularly concerning about this data.
33:05
Speaker 5: It's no secret that young people tend to be on
33:08
Speaker 5: the left, but in the case of millennials, they've actually
33:12
Speaker 5: gotten more left wing every election, and that defires conventional wisdom.
33:17
Speaker 5: It's also very scary because by the next election, young people,
33:21
Speaker 5: millennials and gen Z will make up a majority of
33:24
Speaker 5: the voting base. So if the coalition can't actually find
33:27
Speaker 5: a strategy to speak to these people and get their
33:31
Speaker 5: message out there, they're doomed. Then that is what the
33:34
Speaker 5: person conducting the survey said, This is an existential threat
33:38
Speaker 5: to the Liberal Party. Now, my hypothesis is that the
33:43
Speaker 5: study says climate change was a big concern, and I
33:46
Speaker 5: don't dispute that for a lot of young people it is.
33:49
Speaker 5: But also the Liberal Party didn't offer any policies directly
33:54
Speaker 5: to young people. There should be family policy, there should
33:57
Speaker 5: be tax splitting for households, there should be choice in childcare.
34:01
Speaker 5: I mean, there are so many policies that are so
34:04
Speaker 5: easy that the Liberal Party could adopt to start to
34:07
Speaker 5: turn this around. I just don't get what's the holder.
34:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, and that's the thing.
34:11
Speaker 2: Until they wake up to that, you can you can
34:14
Speaker 2: forget about it. But of course, you know who the
34:16
Speaker 2: biggest culprits of this are women? Of course, no, no,
34:21
Speaker 2: it's young women. There's young women who far more these
34:25
Speaker 2: days are skewing them and this can we heavily live
34:27
Speaker 2: young women. We saw it in the vote for Mamdani
34:30
Speaker 2: in the United States, because of course the number of
34:33
Speaker 2: women who go to.
34:33
Speaker 1: University now is much higher than men.
34:36
Speaker 2: And it would seem that you go through that part
34:37
Speaker 2: blood and you turn out a great lifting for life.
34:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, although interestingly, gens who are even younger than millennials
34:43
Speaker 3: are actually more likely to vote for the coalitions. So
34:46
Speaker 3: I think what you are seeing is a bit similar
34:48
Speaker 3: to America, a backlash against kind of institutional woke if
34:53
Speaker 3: you like, hope. So it would be the millennials who
34:56
Speaker 3: famously there's a cliper.
34:57
Speaker 4: Going to go, Ma, Millennials stay walk.
35:00
Speaker 3: The millenniasy sort of invented the sort of new woke
35:03
Speaker 3: kind of ideology, made that the sort of new sort
35:06
Speaker 3: of temple of left wing, left wing worship, and I
35:11
Speaker 3: think as that has sort of gone and again we're
35:13
Speaker 3: seeing pushback against things like you know, trans staff or
35:16
Speaker 3: identity politics or all sorts of stuff. I think that's
35:20
Speaker 3: where you're seeing young people. I know a lot of
35:22
Speaker 3: them myself, her saying, all these people are crazy, This
35:24
Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense.
35:25
Speaker 4: What's so?
35:26
Speaker 2: Well, well you're looking at them here right, hey, quickly
35:28
Speaker 2: before we get to a break, if you've been on
35:30
Speaker 2: a Chinese bus lately, you might want to be worried over.
35:32
Speaker 2: In the UK, they are now investigating Utong buses, which
35:37
Speaker 2: they've been using over there after Denmark and Norway identified
35:41
Speaker 2: that these buses have chips in them that basically allow
35:44
Speaker 2: them to be turned off or controlled remotely because they
35:48
Speaker 2: can have software updates and whatever downloaded from the Internet
35:51
Speaker 2: without anyone having to press a button, which means that
35:54
Speaker 2: you could also have it loaded up with something that
35:57
Speaker 2: means someone in China can turn off your bus. So
36:00
Speaker 2: you've got Denmark, Norway and the UK looking into this.
36:03
Speaker 2: These buses are in Australia. I don't know that they're
36:06
Speaker 2: being used by public service operators, but they are being
36:10
Speaker 2: used by some private operators in this country, as a
36:13
Speaker 2: few thousand of them.
36:14
Speaker 1: I think you're being sold over here. And look, if.
36:16
Speaker 2: We've got buses floating around that could be controlled remotely
36:19
Speaker 2: from China, you'd think we might be taking a look
36:22
Speaker 2: at that, particularly when other Western nations.
36:25
Speaker 3: Are doing Although to be fair to say that local
36:28
Speaker 3: bus operators are very good at stopping bus services, is.
36:32
Speaker 4: That something that Australia.
36:35
Speaker 1: Is a very fair point.
36:37
Speaker 2: After the break, we'll get into the papers. We'll continue
36:39
Speaker 2: the discussion about elicit tobacco. Two big stories on the
36:43
Speaker 2: front of separate papers tomorrow about the crackdown and just how.
36:46
Speaker 1: Beginning of stuff into Australia.
36:48
Speaker 8: Don't go away.
36:56
Speaker 1: Radio.
36:56
Speaker 2: Let's get stuck into tomorrow's newspapers. We will start with
36:59
Speaker 2: the heralds and.
37:00
Speaker 5: In the Herald Sun tomorrow big splash on the front page.
37:04
Speaker 6: Adult time for worst kid crime.
37:07
Speaker 5: Suburbs under siege campaign win offenders aged fourteen and over
37:12
Speaker 5: space up.
37:12
Speaker 6: To twenty five years jailing.
37:14
Speaker 5: Crackdown on violent youths terrorizing Melbourne.
37:17
Speaker 6: Violent youths terrorizing.
37:19
Speaker 5: Melbourne face more than two decades in jail instead of
37:22
Speaker 5: the current maximum three years under a radical.
37:25
Speaker 6: Overhaul of the justice system.
37:28
Speaker 5: Under Allen government reforms, children fourteen and above who commit
37:32
Speaker 5: serious violent crimes will face adult sentences in adult courts. Currently,
37:37
Speaker 5: adults can be sentenced in the county court to up
37:41
Speaker 5: to twenty five years for home invasion and twenty years
37:44
Speaker 5: for machete attacks, while in the children's court it's a
37:47
Speaker 5: maximum of three years. Interesting how Labor to save their
37:53
Speaker 5: butts has to basically take a copy and paste policy
37:57
Speaker 5: from the Queensland NP and we know it's been effective
38:01
Speaker 5: up there. It also won them an election, but looks
38:04
Speaker 5: pretty desperate.
38:05
Speaker 2: You know, I don't mind how you get to the
38:08
Speaker 2: right place. I'm just glad that you get to the
38:10
Speaker 2: right place. And it has worked up in Queensland they
38:13
Speaker 2: have seen a reduction in youth crime since the instituted
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Speaker 2: adult crime adult time laws. So I don't see any
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Speaker 2: reason why it shouldn't be done in Victoria.
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Speaker 3: So imagine, just imagine, if the Victorian Labor Party had
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Speaker 3: done what was bleedingly obvious from the beginning and done
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Speaker 3: this years ago, they would not have the crime epidemic
38:34
Speaker 3: that they have. They'd be running much better in the polls,
38:37
Speaker 3: although the lives are so crap that they're probably going
38:39
Speaker 3: to win anyway, and that wouldn't be accused of stealing
38:41
Speaker 3: policies off the LNP.
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Speaker 4: So you know, I like, good on you for getting there.
38:45
Speaker 5: Eventually, let's be real, knowing the Queen, knowing the Victorian
38:49
Speaker 5: Labor government, they'll probably still find a way to mess
38:52
Speaker 5: this up. So it's a nice announcement, but let's see.
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Speaker 3: I certainly hope so, because I'm a big one for
38:58
Speaker 3: regime change in the victory in our LP. Anyway, you're
39:02
Speaker 3: like this, Caleb, the Hobart Mercury, sorry, the Tasmanian Mercury.
39:06
Speaker 3: I've been far too paro. It speaks to the entire
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Speaker 3: state these days. Vaped crusader, get it, because instead of caped,
39:14
Speaker 3: it's vaped minister declares war on illegal e cigarettes and tobacco.
39:20
Speaker 3: Good luck with that, one might say, written by my
39:21
Speaker 3: great friend David Killick, made of mind Caleb, as I'm
39:24
Speaker 3: sure you would understand, the state government launched a legislative
39:27
Speaker 3: and enforcement blatons on illegal tobacco and vaping products. Police
39:31
Speaker 3: Minister Felix Ellis announced on Tuesday, very easy to announce,
39:37
Speaker 3: difficult to our best of luck to him, new legislation
39:41
Speaker 3: was being developed to substantially increase penalties for criminals found
39:45
Speaker 3: to be selling illegal cigarettes. Miss Elis said the legislation
39:49
Speaker 3: will include stronger powers on the spot fines and extended
39:52
Speaker 3: closure orders for businesses selling illegal tobacco. Illegal tobacco is
39:56
Speaker 3: fueling organized crime around Australia, didn't correct. Tougher enforcement against
40:01
Speaker 3: these criminal gains sends the message that they will not
40:03
Speaker 3: be tolerated in Tasmania. So there you go, just crack
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Speaker 3: down more. Well you think there'll.
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Speaker 2: Be another story out tomorrow that says Kayler Bond has
40:16
Speaker 2: launched a blitz.
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Speaker 1: To become a millionaire.
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Speaker 2: No sorry, actually that just means buying a house in
40:20
Speaker 2: Australia these days. Kayler Bond has launched a Blitz to
40:23
Speaker 2: become a billionaire, because it's probably just as likely to
40:26
Speaker 2: happen in the sort of time period they reckon this is.
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Speaker 1: Going to happen.
40:28
Speaker 2: Look, I mean, at least they're doing something, And it
40:32
Speaker 2: is absolutely correct that you need to come down hard
40:35
Speaker 2: from a regulatory perspective and a legal perspective on people
40:39
Speaker 2: who are.
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Speaker 1: Pushing this garbage.
40:40
Speaker 2: But part of the problem is, as you're alluding to before,
40:44
Speaker 2: is that a it's so far gone, and it's the
40:46
Speaker 2: states who are having to mop up a miss that's
40:48
Speaker 2: created by the FEDS, and the States are having to
40:52
Speaker 2: pour extra resources into something that previously they've never had
40:55
Speaker 2: to worry about, and that they don't really have the
40:57
Speaker 2: money to be spending exactly.
40:59
Speaker 5: And it is worth noticing that in New South Wales
41:01
Speaker 5: they've also just yesterday changed the legislation so if you
41:05
Speaker 5: knowingly rent out your premises to any legal tobacco operation,
41:11
Speaker 5: you will now also be in.
41:12
Speaker 6: The firing line.
41:13
Speaker 5: So this looks like a nice start, but I think
41:16
Speaker 5: it's going to take a lot more than just cracking
41:18
Speaker 5: down to actually deal with this problem.
41:20
Speaker 3: Reminded, as I'm sure you two are, of the second
41:23
Speaker 3: Roman Emperor, Tiberius who was told that he needed to
41:27
Speaker 3: extract more money out of the provinces, and he said,
41:31
Speaker 3: a good shepherd shears his sheep, not skin them.
41:36
Speaker 4: I think the.
41:37
Speaker 3: Federal government is learning very very quickly that if you
41:39
Speaker 3: try to take more money than people are willing to pay,
41:44
Speaker 3: suddenly you'll fine. You're taking not more money, but less zistly,
41:48
Speaker 3: no longer your people.
41:50
Speaker 2: And I mean that's always been my philosophy on text.
41:52
Speaker 2: The less you ask for, the more you collect. And
41:55
Speaker 2: I think we're starting to see that.
41:56
Speaker 1: Sormon danim exactly and I hope you do. For the
42:00
Speaker 1: sake of New York.
42:01
Speaker 2: I hope they worked it out pretty quickly.
42:03
Speaker 1: Over to the OZ.
42:04
Speaker 2: Staying on this theme, Craggy Dick terrifyingly easy way crime
42:09
Speaker 2: gangs import illegal sis and no it has it doesn't
42:13
Speaker 2: have anything to do with Dick, so I should notice.
42:15
Speaker 2: But a special investigation by Matthew Cranston on the Ods tomorrow,
42:20
Speaker 2: criminal gangs are fraudulently using legitimate small businesses to smuggle
42:24
Speaker 2: tons of illegal tobacco into the country, with customs brokers
42:28
Speaker 2: warning that authorities and freight companies could be turning a
42:31
Speaker 2: blind eye to the multimillion dollar schemes through ignorance or
42:35
Speaker 2: being paid off. Documents obtained by The Australian in an
42:38
Speaker 2: investigation at the Sydney and Melbourne Port Precincts revealed dozens
42:42
Speaker 2: of legitimate small business names have been fraudulently used in
42:46
Speaker 2: attempts to smuggle up to three tons of tobacco at
42:48
Speaker 2: a time, disguised as manufactured goods with the street value
42:52
Speaker 2: of up to one million dollar each, in a process
42:55
Speaker 2: called piggybacking. The attempts are being frequently missed by freight
42:59
Speaker 2: forward is forward as I should say sorry, and customs officials,
43:03
Speaker 2: allowing smugglers to avoid prosecution and the payment of tax,
43:07
Speaker 2: costing the government billions in revenue, sparking violent turf wars,
43:11
Speaker 2: and only encouraging the brazen actions to continue. So basically,
43:17
Speaker 2: you've got a business you don't know that this is
43:19
Speaker 2: even going on, and someone else is just saying, yes,
43:23
Speaker 2: I am this business importing a bunch of I don't know,
43:27
Speaker 2: wrenchers or sockets or power tools or whatever.
43:32
Speaker 1: It comes in.
43:32
Speaker 2: No one says there's anything wrong with that, and it
43:35
Speaker 2: just flows on into the countries that easy.
43:36
Speaker 6: But this is how bad it's gone.
43:38
Speaker 5: It's affecting good, honest, hard working Australians. We also know
43:42
Speaker 5: that if you happen to have a store near an
43:45
Speaker 5: illegal tobacconist, your insurance premiums are going to be way higher.
43:49
Speaker 6: This is getting so out of hand.
43:52
Speaker 3: And do you know what one business I said when
43:55
Speaker 3: he found out that his company this was beyond packaging
43:59
Speaker 3: and certainly has gone beyond what he thought he was packaging.
44:03
Speaker 3: His name is Ray Joy and ironically he is not
44:06
Speaker 3: feeling he knows. But this was his response when the
44:09
Speaker 3: Australa informed him that his business name has been used.
44:12
Speaker 4: Crikey dick, you're familiar with that? Because I don't. I
44:18
Speaker 4: don't believe.
44:18
Speaker 1: I do not want the crag the oldie world.
44:22
Speaker 3: This is from like, you know, recession depression here in
44:25
Speaker 3: Australia when you're eating pigs head.
44:27
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but I'm not. I'm not sure
44:31
Speaker 1: about the krikey dick.
44:33
Speaker 2: But anyway, he probably needed to smoke after finding that.
44:36
Speaker 4: Guy's name isn't even Richard. It's Matthew, the guy I know, But.
44:41
Speaker 2: Crikey mat you know, crikey dick sounds like something that
44:44
Speaker 2: a guy called Ray Joy would say, and you know what,
44:46
Speaker 2: I love that. Another story on the front of the
44:48
Speaker 2: Years Tomorrow, Worst or worst say, just a bid for
44:51
Speaker 2: women's prison. A father who raped his own three year
44:54
Speaker 2: old daughter has demanded to be placed in a women's
44:56
Speaker 2: prison in Tasmania, prompting the state government to the clear
45:00
Speaker 2: it has banned trans identifying male prisoners from women's prisons, and.
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Speaker 1: Thank god for that.
45:06
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm glad he won't end up there,
45:10
Speaker 2: but the fact that we even have to think about
45:12
Speaker 2: this in the first place is just horrifying, isn't it.
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Speaker 5: It's absolutely horrendous. It is disgusting. But thank goodness you
45:20
Speaker 5: have a liberal government down there who's actually willing to say, no,
45:24
Speaker 5: we're going to ban it, unlike the sort of gray
45:27
Speaker 5: Are we banning it?
45:28
Speaker 6: Are we not?
45:28
Speaker 5: Responses we've seen from the new South Wales government.
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Speaker 4: Est Jeans has said, no way, that's not going to
45:34
Speaker 4: happen here.
45:35
Speaker 6: But have they changed legs.
45:36
Speaker 3: Very handsomely, I think he says that's the law as
45:40
Speaker 3: it stands.
45:42
Speaker 1: And that is exactly how it should be. Just quickly.
45:44
Speaker 2: Another story on the front of the US Tomorrow, Sacred
45:46
Speaker 2: rituals raw in forest fired an anthropologist commission to help
45:50
Speaker 2: an indigenous group. Post Andrew Forrest planned to build a
45:53
Speaker 2: series of weirs on his family's ancestral Pilbrough cattle station.
45:57
Speaker 2: Cited rituals and songs that had not been perform for
46:00
Speaker 2: more than a century. When trying to establish the current
46:03
Speaker 2: significance Australian streets in the area, it just gets madder
46:10
Speaker 2: and madder, doesn't it. After the break, Speaking of madness,
46:14
Speaker 2: Down in the failed stage of Victoria, things are so
46:17
Speaker 2: bad that tourists are now taking it upon themselves to
46:20
Speaker 2: clean the joint up.
46:21
Speaker 1: We'll show you that in a moment.
46:24
Speaker 4: Now.
46:24
Speaker 2: Look, we know things are bad down in Victoria these days.
46:27
Speaker 2: We're just talking before about the youth crime crisis. I
46:31
Speaker 2: don't know if you've walked around Melbourne recently, but a
46:34
Speaker 2: lot of it seems to be quite dirty. And so
46:36
Speaker 2: a bunch of Japanese tourists have come over and they've
46:39
Speaker 2: landed in what they think is a wonderful global city
46:43
Speaker 2: and they've discovered that it's actually you know what hole,
46:46
Speaker 2: and so they've taken it upon themselves to do something
46:49
Speaker 2: about it. Here they are picking up the garbage themselves,
46:53
Speaker 2: getting around with their little pickers and bags, and they
46:57
Speaker 2: were seen to be getting around in a group with
46:59
Speaker 2: all their gear, their backpacks and whatever, and picking up
47:02
Speaker 2: the rubbish of their own volition on the streets of Melbourne. Now, look,
47:06
Speaker 2: it's sad that it's come to this point to begin with,
47:10
Speaker 2: but good on them, Good on them for doing something
47:13
Speaker 2: nice for the world.
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Speaker 3: I reckon, no, no, don't you find this incredibly embarrassing,
47:19
Speaker 3: Because it's embarrassing. It's like someone it's like your girlfriend
47:22
Speaker 3: coming to your house and then go oh my god
47:23
Speaker 3: and starting to do the dishes.
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Speaker 5: Well, it's horrendously embarrassing for Victoria, but it is very
47:28
Speaker 5: wholesome that they seem to care more for Victoria than
47:32
Speaker 5: its own government, its own people.
47:34
Speaker 6: But thank goodness for the Japanese.
47:36
Speaker 5: An interesting story is that's something you would have heard
47:40
Speaker 5: how things have changed. An interesting story coming out of Canada.
47:44
Speaker 5: The Canadian Premier League Football Championship was played in Ottawa
47:49
Speaker 5: and play had to be halted every fifteen minutes to
47:54
Speaker 5: clear the pitch from snow. Every fifteen minutes, that is
47:59
Speaker 5: how much snow was coming down. Honestly, you look at that.
48:03
Speaker 5: I don't know how they're playing full stop. That's incredible.
48:06
Speaker 2: I think that's also as much snow as you normally
48:08
Speaker 2: get at an eastern suburb Sydney party, isn't it.
48:10
Speaker 3: Joe, Yes, certainly the ones I haven't been to and
48:13
Speaker 3: wouldn't know what you're talking about, Caleb. But I have
48:16
Speaker 3: to say, you know, people are think because with the
48:19
Speaker 3: snow sort of covering the ground like that, surely would
48:21
Speaker 3: make it very hard, much harder for all those soccer
48:24
Speaker 3: players to take a dive every time.
48:28
Speaker 1: The poor baggage the poor baggers.
48:30
Speaker 2: And before we go, of course, you would have heard
48:32
Speaker 2: of the death of John Laws.
48:34
Speaker 1: Over the weekend.
48:34
Speaker 2: We've lost another great of Australian radio, Leon Byner, who
48:38
Speaker 2: will be known to many viewers. His career mostly in Adelaide,
48:41
Speaker 2: but he worked all over the country throughout his career.
48:44
Speaker 1: This is his iconic voice.
48:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, Treasure or Wayne's one. Wayne. Thank you for coming
48:49
Speaker 4: in good warning Leon. Now I must say overnight things
48:53
Speaker 4: changed a little bit.
48:54
Speaker 3: We are in South Australia sweating on the Olympic Dam project.
49:00
Speaker 2: Easy spent at five Double A solving everyone's problems every morning,
49:03
Speaker 2: and it's just sad to see all these guys dying
49:05
Speaker 2: in quick succession, because I just don't think we'll have
49:08
Speaker 2: radio broadcasters like that again.
49:10
Speaker 3: No, I don't think we will, and I think I
49:12
Speaker 3: feel quite lucky just to be right there at the end,
49:14
Speaker 3: and I'm happy to write out the death of legacy media.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, thank you very much for watching tonight up next
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Speaker 2: to the Brica Panny shap