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Notre Dame Game Recap · Boundary Corner Podcast

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Welcome back D down jury Corner podcast with my co-host.
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Ryan Sigler, I'm Curtis Wilson Brian.
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We're not talking about Saturday yet which is not now, we're not,
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we're not lead with Saturday. We got to get a little little
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happiness in here because the rest of it is going to be so
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great. Well, this ain't happiness.
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So we're not talking to this either fantasy bra today, right?
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That's about the only thing that's been good.
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So far, luckily. My Colts don't play till
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tomorrow. So I haven't had the sadness
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that Curtis has experienced today, but my fantasy team is
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finally looked competent for the first time all year.
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And I'm here to say, I welcome this I'm finally get a little
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Health in there. I got I got two running backs
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that actually played a full game.
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I even started the wrong quarterback and I'm in a good
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position where as long as my boy Jonathan Taylor doesn't go out
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there and completely blow up and get 33 points tomorrow night.
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I'm taking that W and I feel pretty good about that.
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So I'll wait a second. So Jonathan, you're playing
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Taylor from the Colts tomorrow night, and if he gets 33, you
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hold on. This is the whole.
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What do you want, Brian? Do you want the fantasy win?
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If it's a guarantee that the Colts win, but you lose the
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fantasy game. What do you do?
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Yeah, I mean I'll take the win for my team over fantasy but in
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a perfect world Jonathan Taylor gets thirty two and a half
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points and I take the W. He takes the W there.
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The Colts, get the W. Yeah, I'm with you man.
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The Niners hard today, Lance started.
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But if they go back to drop below, I have no faith in the
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coaching staff or the front office to get that.
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Right. But fantasy for me today, man.
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Let me tell you who on my fantasy team Ryan, you know,
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Justin Herbert. Now, put up a 60 Burger today.
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Yeah, Mike Evans almost put up a 30 burger.
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Nick Chubb, almost put up a 30 burger.
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I mean I'm sitting here man. I'm projected to score almost
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180 and I got two players left ones right now.
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You'll see me look up Edward to layer for the Chiefs.
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So fantasy has been sweet to me today.
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It's been the one good spot of the weekend.
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Well, you know, It was a nice weekend is a little rainy
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yesterday. Still hanging out, you know,
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with the fam having a good time hanging with the neighbors, in a
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cul-de-sac. We had the homecoming parade
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kids got more candy than they probably could have for
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Halloween. We might cancel Halloween, just
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so we don't have to go back out. We will do that.
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It was, it was a good, your kids would Riot.
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Oh yeah. What the hogshead tonight, man.
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Do I miss that place? That's one of the that's like
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one of the like the three spots in the West End that I used to
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go to on a regular. Is that I just can't hit me
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more. I usually hit them about once
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every like two to three months now, which is fine.
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But hogshead, I still usually make about a once-a-month
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pilgrimage to Hurley's just because that was my spot.
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That was my bar. Shout out Hurley's Tavern in the
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West End shops at Innsbruck at the corner.
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Blocks abroad. There we go, Corner Cox and
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Broad. shut up, Wes McElroy for the inflection, on the delivery
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there that, you know, I'm to the point now in my life, my team's
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don't ruin the rest of my week. I've got a neighbor who's a tech
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Alum, and me and him said the same thing today, it sucked.
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But we're older now and it doesn't bother us as much, you
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know. Clearly, he kind of looked at
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me. He's like, you're gonna rage
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tonight, aren't you? Like, yeah, I'm gonna race
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tonight. He's like, might listen, if I
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got the kids to sleep, I'm like good deal.
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This is our therapy session. We get our, we get our shit out
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here and more or less live. Our normal lives outside of
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this. You know, we've got other
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outlets. Well, it's fun.
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All those fun group chats that were a part of.
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So have we got, we got those outlets and we got the podcast
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here. So y'all get to hear our ran
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sessions here. Hopefully we won't ramble too
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much here. We'll keep it on topic and give
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you all something fun to listen to.
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We're going to try to keep it. The, the navigable is it the
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navigational? Keep it between the
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navigational. Buoys.
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Alright Braun. Crank it up because Jesus did we
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see some things? Last night?
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Yeah, I mean what it was is this right here, right?
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That's what it was. It was the same old song and
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dance on numerous occasions at critical junctures in the game
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with to me just some terrible coaching decisions.
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Now the execution coaching decisions and Brian we're going
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to hit it right off the bat. Let's go early second quarter
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text leading 7-nothing. The first drive.
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We three-and-out. The second.
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We have this great little Long play.
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We punch it in. We get the touchdown and we're
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doing the same thing again. And you know, we kind of look at
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this Drive-In General Braun. And you know, the athletic past
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that be be made to Gallo. That's where it starts the team
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with a great cut. On a couple plays later to get
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upfield, we bring in blumrich for a wild, turkey gets some
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yards. In a deep out to trade for yards
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and then they run that little almost the pop scene.
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Tutte the guy holds and there's a penalty.
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We're in the red zone and the next thing you know, we get down
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but we get down at the one-yard line.
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Yep, give us the sequence, man. What, let's start with us over.
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The sequence was the first one. The first one was well, the
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inside Zone, but he beat scramble to get.
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Down another tray. They run that sweet tree gets
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down. Sorry.
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The other one was the earlier touchdown Drive which I'm gonna
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hit on later but it was the sequence, we're driving, good
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return. We're gonna hook on first BB
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sweeps +6. Sweet to Trey were patient.
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He waits for wholesome, Luke to set up the screen King still in.
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Be be scrambled and we got the first down and we're inside the
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red zone that tray Suite, where he stepped out like at the
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one-yard line. That were at the one the first
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play. I don't think anybody I don't, I
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think we're all. Okay with it.
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Where it the one, give it one shot running.
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It was Trey. It was an inside Zone.
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It was started. Brian what you call next?
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I'm sure when this when you saw what happened, your light bulb
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would like, yes. We're going to do something,
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right? And yeah, I thought I thought we
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were going to just we were going to get caught her in there
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either. Work it outside on some of that
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sweet motion with the with the Jet Sweep or come up the Middle
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with with Connor on the keeper will single wing action.
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But what have we, we roll short side of the field.
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So we take away half the field and it's a play that they've
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seen because when they, as soon as we are and they snuffed it
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out, it was supposed to be a little double action and you saw
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linebackers around the thing alone, work out of throw it
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away. And we sit here and it's the
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same old, like the first down play.
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I get, you know, people who want to be more creative.
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At the one you got them on their heels if you push them off, it's
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a touchdown. I don't have an issue with that
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play. The next play was the one
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because Connor had came in already in proven that we could
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get with what is linked with his size.
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We could get short yardage situation it right dip and then
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you just completely take away the thing the guy does best.
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We completely go to a old. Do this call will work that call
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hasn't worked in a while. It didn't work numerous times.
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Against West Virginia and like the song says the same old song
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and dance. And well this is the other thing
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that happens in the red zone, right?
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Where you know you feel like The call is like trying to be the
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smartest guy in the room, like, don't don't overthink the call
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get us in the end zone, but the right Personnel in the field and
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get us in the damage Zone. And that's where it felt right,
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didn't it? Yeah, right personnel and I was
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just sitting here me and you mentioned that you talked about
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that sweet action. I was hoping that go up.
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You keep tray or tail on the right whoever you want to sweep
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by across and you see how they align.
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And you probably could say well if they were going to give the
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outside, leverage you hand, it you let a name for the corner.
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And you'd let it be a foot race. And if he makes it he makes and
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if he doesn't then good on them but if they give you the right
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numbers and they give you the inside leverage, right?
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Hmm. Run it up.
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The freakin middle. The guys 6 foot 5.
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Running Head, Start could find a hole and just jump, but nope.
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Arie. Wonderful, play caller, thanks.
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No, let's do this play. This will work and you could see
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they knew it. You cannot can I say something
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else? Because I'm going to, I'm going
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to bury a little bit of the lead here.
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But guys, in some points in this game, we ran plays under Center
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Yes, we're going to talk about the first time and there's some
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other pieces in there, man, we're going to hit it later.
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If somebody at some point, you got to win the battle of the
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line of scrimmage and just get Guys across the field.
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Stop overthinking this shit. Exactly.
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The third play. We try to run the fade to Trey.
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He /. BB /, throws it.
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And can I ask you this before we go any further?
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Other. Yep.
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When John Parker Romo came in and essentially the 8 yard line
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where you're like man I was I was nervous but you know if
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you're going to kick the field goal which I still don't
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necessarily agree with here. But if you're going to kick the
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field goal that that is what it is and actually shoutout to John
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Parker Romo, because he had a hell of a game.
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What 343 field goal. Goals at 52 yard could have been
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good from 62. Yeah, so, I mean, great game by
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him. Maybe kicks from all over the
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field but it wasn't really listening.
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Absolutely. Absolutely.
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Well, but that's a scenario where you got a feel of the game
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flow of the game. I would have liked to have
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number one, had better play sequencing leading up to fourth
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down, but I would have fucking went for it there.
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I mean, this is Notre, Dame, it's a game that if you win,
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it's, you get clout points for that.
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And it's a game that if you lose and lose it in a way that at
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least looks like you're, you're pulling out all the stops.
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It doesn't, it doesn't. You as bad, right?
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No, not at all. Leave your nuts on the field,
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both as coaches and players in the players did that.
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I don't feel like the coaches left their nuts on the field
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here, they left a lot off the field and it's in the simplistic
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Math. Run we lost by 3, you get the
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touchdown there. 7, minus 3 is 4 the itself and there's points
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all over this, feel that we're going to get rid.
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That's that's for we got a few more to talk about and obviously
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that's going to come to the second one.
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So obviously, SLI, same old song and dance.
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We get the goal line, cannot punch it in from the one.
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Even when we put the right Personnel, we do stupid things.
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All right, then dumb penalties and I know you on this one.
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Brian you got? I was I was up the refs ass.
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All right field negates BB scrambles out hits Tavian a
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little krauser touchdown decline or ineligible field.
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Downfield they were right at three yards.
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Get away from the play. Nowhere near the play.
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Not even actively engaged in a block.
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No, no. And you know, not engage in a
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block like they It's things like that.
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Where, I mean, you can you could call if you're going to call
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that, you could literally call ineligible, Man, Down feel any
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rp0 in the history of rpos. So, I hated that call by the
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absolute letter of the law. Yet probably a half yard further
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downfield and maybe then he would like to see.
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But this isn't like they were taking a linebacker or a safety
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out of flowing to where the play is happening, right?
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Which is why the rules in place. Yes, that's why the rules in
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place, I'm sure you got Taught years ago, playing the line, the
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reason you're in get flagged for this, if you're engaging
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somebody six yards up field, they're saying, hey I can't try
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to go over here and tackle the guy for Cano lyman's way up
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here, and it's not running. The ball has not been thrown yet
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and I'm already engaged by Lyman six yards of feel.
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That's, that's what the letter of the law is for.
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And like I said, from a technical standpoint, by
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probably about a half yard. It's a penalty.
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But also In Practical terms, you would not be able to run our po
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if that got flagged every time. No you wouldn't be able to and
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there was a lot more there's been a lot more egregious 9
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called ineligible man downfield. So there there were some in that
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game that honestly Notre Dame committed that could have been
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called similarly. So if you get any worse they
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were engaged. But here, I mean this play out
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and then the what the next play is the is the face mask, right?
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That didn't get called. No, no no.
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That was too. Place.
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And this is where I have into place, okay?
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Because we try to throw to the End Zone, it s second and 13 and
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this is where the sequencing screwed up again.
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It's where the sequencing is screwed up.
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Again is second and 13. They're back, they're laying
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back. We try to go to the end zone.
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Incomplete pass the next play is that inside screen to Tavian in
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which he gets his face mask pulled and I sit here and I kind
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of say, That's the second down call because at second and 13
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the again most normal offensive coordinators, who have actually
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done this stuff and made a lot of money.
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The goal, its second and 13 even in the red zone is going to be
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like, well, we can still potentially get a first down,
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let's run something to get anywhere from five.
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To the first down, let's not try to get it in the end zone
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because it's probably going to be playing for.
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And you saw the, the play weren't perfect.
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It was the wrong down because where we would design get six to
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eight. It could get you the first down,
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it got eight. Its third and five, we would
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have been, I think at the seven or eight.
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So you still have potential to get the first down.
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You can go End Zone, you can run the ball, you can do anything
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you want, but our entire, your entire Red Zone Playbook is
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open. Whereas, if you you know, in the
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longer yard is situation, you're essentially having to Hope That
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you break a couple tackles or everything.
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Runs exactly perfectly to get that first down and we really
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came up just a couple yards short.
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So it goes back, same old song and dance incorrect play
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sequence. Okay, terrible Place sequencing
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in that, I'm with that movie sucks.
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It would have shifted the momentum because at that point
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in time, it would have went to 22:14.
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So again, there's there's more points on the field.
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Right there, there's four more points, but again, the penalty
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sucked. But the subsequent play-calling
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is why you didn't have a chance to get a touchdown and how it
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was backwards. It was done backwards.
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And that's what irritates me because I sit here and I see
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that playing, like, why didn't you?
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It is third and essentially, our coaches heard us enough where we
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can recover from the referees. Also, hurting us, very true,
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very true. All right, and obviously Brown,
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let's go to the last one. Yep, okay, well, this point I'm
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dr. David got in the lead back
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21:16. And you set it in the episode
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Brown. We have to make them Drive Long
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field. We're going to get into more of
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the interceptions later but Jermaine Walter was hooked up in
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a short Zone and I don't know it but we did see him or not but
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Waller so he just threw that ball and Walter junk gone pick
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six Beamer ball to the house. It's 20 to 21.
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Now when we go in the 3-yard line, wondrich is in because
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this was after For the BB injury situation and okay, you're at
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the three plumber 10. Like okay I think you can argue
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can say leaving points on the field or not at that point.
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I'm that would have made it a three-point versus a two-point
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game. At the three.
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I'm acceptable. Love it.
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That's cool. I get the point, but after the
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false start penalty by Gallo, we're at the 8th and I'm sitting
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here like you just kick it now. Just put John Park out there,
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you kick it through. And, you know, you take your
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points and hope you can get those points back later if you
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need them instead. They send them work out there
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and he passes it, it gets picked and that thing goes back.
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And I'm sure if you were like me, Brian.
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I was like, that's just going to get returned.
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We're about to. We've got to go down after a
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pussy, going to be down 23:22, thankfully, somebody made a
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play. What's the, what's the logic in
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it? Not from the three, we get it
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from the eighth with your, from, from the three with Connor.
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You might take that risk. At that point, I We would have
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still kicked it regardless. It's too early to chase points
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by going for a two-point conversion.
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There, ultimately, I'm much more.
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Okay, with that decision. If the penalty doesn't happen,
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one of the penalties out there, kick the damn field goal.
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Yeah, you don't need the points yet.
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You have the lead. Take the extra point.
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And you can figure out if you're going to need those two points
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later. Exactly.
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So they're don't need him right now.
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So stop chasing them. Exactly.
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So we're about 16 minutes in and the Calamity of errors that
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right there, let's just say it Braun.
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For 89 points in the three-point loss. step nine points,
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potentially nine points because of things we have seen from day
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16 years ago If still aren't being corrected yet that I
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think, I think that's the thing. So, let's talk about the trends.
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And I mean, this goes with this game and it applies elsewhere.
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We're going to get more into this now.
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But I mean, if these things were one offer these things were
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occasional things that we saw in a game, we wouldn't be ranting
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about them right now or we wouldn't be rant about them as
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hard. We wouldn't be so flippin songs
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in playing yeah going into the segment it's the repetition of
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these problems that is the issue.
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Not the presence. That's it.
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And we talk about fourth quarter.
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I mean, when the fourth quarter started and things and I was
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like, all right well we're doing some good things but we go up
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eight and as soon as that happen and you know Notre Dame gets the
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ball back and as soon as that drive started cone comes in, I'm
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like I've seen this movie before and I think I'd actually you tap
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think I hit you up. I was like this is this is
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going. This is going to be Like 2019,
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isn't it? You said it's going to end point
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and this was actually, you said, it might have been earlier, you
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said early fourth and they were just we were up just the one
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point. Yeah, you said I was like, this
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is this is going to end up just like 2019 and more or less.
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It did it did more or less a did the and between you know, having
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a banged-up quarterback and I know we played the whole game
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with our backup quarterback whereas We played segments of
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this game with our backup quarterback and I guess he's our
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backup quarterback. Probably probably not going into
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next week because it looks like he injured his ankle pretty
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badly. But yeah, you know, Virginia
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Tech goes up with the touchdown. Go up eight.
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Better day. Yeah yeah this year and gets a
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few extra yards and it goes back to where the play calling look
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different again. We run a sweep.
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You know Lofton got. Welcome to the College Football
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World with that hit. Yeah, he got welcomed and then
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BB gets a third down conversion pass and We're often because I
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mean, they smell blood in the water.
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After you see him pop the pills on the sidelines, which I'm sure
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somebody said to them, he hurt, they hit him but he heard her,
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he's hurt. He's not just a little Nick.
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And then there were some, we're in the Red Zone there, a couple
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of kids bad play calls. In that 22, mile an hour speed,
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then showed up the play called, which I'm still trying to figure
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out what it was because it wasn't.
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There he rolled in just like, said, I got to go, I got to go
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and he goes as, I mean, he runs as fast as he can.
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Mrs. To Notre Dame Defender scores were up eight.
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Now let's go back. Brian, we kick the extra point.
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We score the touchdown, it's a nine-point game.
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Game dip, they can't. Essentially they can't just
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score and tie the game. They will have to be.
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Dang yep. Um but you know then it didn't
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let's go into that drive about cone coming in.
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Yes a cone comes in in the in the very first play.
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On that pass. You get, you get Dax with
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targeting ejected. I don't like it.
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I know we were the beneficiary of a tight end on a crack back
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earlier in the game that didn't really hurt them that much.
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They were on their second tight end, he hadn't really done a
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whole lot of damage in their passing attack.
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He was just kind of a dude. True, you know Dax goes out and
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wild acts didn't have his best game to actually did get shook
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in Space by Buckner and Tyree a couple times.
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Dax did pretty good in his mic coverage, responsibilities in
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taking away the seam and things like that.
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And two days after that two plays after dax's out, they
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attack that scene. And they get a big game that
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gets them in plus territory. And you said, you start saying
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shit. I've seen this movie before.
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I want to ask a question, wrong about that play to me, it wasn't
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pocketing. It was literally, because the
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way that part of the way that ball was thrown, the, the head
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was down, it was Children. It was almost like a more of a
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clothesline than anything, if they would eject him for a
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clothesline out of been fine. But here's the here's what I
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say. They don't throw the flag.
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That Stadium popped when he knocked it out of that kid.
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I mean, it went nuts. It reminds me of Diablo lighting
26:11
up the UVA player last year and that hit I think if that if it's
26:16
just a hit and they have to carry that I think I think cone
26:20
is probably in his head like my God they're they're taking guys
26:24
out instead are the air came out of the defense, the air came out
26:29
of the stadium, it was definitely one of those momentum
26:32
Changers like you kind of felt a shift and ultimately that kind
26:38
of came to fruition, right? So the defense just couldn't
26:42
really get their legs back under them after that.
26:44
It looked like the whole tax for Notre.
26:47
Dame the attacker. Attack the middle, they attack
26:51
the middle. And you know, I think some of
26:53
this is saying, you know, It's hard to come cold in the fourth
27:00
quarter when it matters with a, with the position, like Mike.
27:05
Right? Yeah.
27:06
So, I'm, this isn't a knock-on on Dean Ferguson.
27:10
This isn't a knock on the plate, it's just, you're coming in cold
27:14
in the fourth quarter, in the kind of the biggest moment of
27:18
the game. And it's a position where you're
27:21
having to line up people, you're having to think through a
27:24
million things. He could have potentially been
27:27
cut out to ask the blitz to play a man responsibility to come off
27:32
the edge to play, some sort of, you know, shorts on Mid Zone.
27:38
It's like a million things. Right.
27:40
And with the Michael, it's also a flow position because you're
27:44
all night Dax is Flowing where the balls going, okay.
27:48
What are they? Doing with it tip.
27:51
It's like the first quarter against.
27:53
Oh no! It's like the first drive he's
27:56
coming in and still has to get a feel of what?
27:58
What they're trying to do me while they're in full-on attack
28:01
mode, right? Yeah.
28:02
And they're they're, they're not feeling us out.
28:04
They know what they want to do. So that's that's a tough spot.
28:08
So I feel like that definitely put our defense kind of behind
28:12
there and I'm not making excuses for them.
28:15
They definitely could have did a little bit more at the end to
28:18
keep them out of the in. I think we need to work on that.
28:20
We do a really good job of getting folks off the field.
28:24
When they cross the 50, before they get into the Red Zone, we
28:27
haven't done a great job of once.
28:28
Teams are getting into the Red Zone on us.
28:31
Stopping them from scoring, right?
28:33
We haven't stopped anybody from scoring in the Red Zone, this
28:35
year. If you get to the Red Zone
28:36
against us, it's now 11 for 11. It's 11 for 11, so if you get
28:41
there with us by whatever reason, you're likely to get
28:47
rear seven and it's been seven more times than it has for E.
28:52
So and some need to be we need to be better at that.
28:56
We like I said we've done a good job of giving up yards but
29:00
getting put folks off the field. You know.
29:02
Before they get into that Red Zone, we've done a.
29:05
I'd say probably one of the better teams in the nation.
29:07
Oh yeah that But once they're in the Red Zone, you know, we're
29:13
not doing a good job of either turning them over or forcing
29:18
them into bad spots or they lose yardage in have to kick a
29:22
tougher field goal so. Alright we need to really just
29:25
we need to be more consistent. Forcing the field goal all
29:27
together. I mean if we were if there are
29:29
11 for 11 but they kicked eight field goals.
29:32
I wouldn't feel that bad. We're on the other way.
29:36
We're on the other side of that, right?
29:38
For more on the Been down there. I think it's an odd but look it
29:42
up its 11th. I was 747 as of just a couple
29:46
weeks or as of, you know, the last time we discussed it on the
29:49
bye week and I think it was five to two.
29:52
So it's like 922 now touchdowns but, you know, still at that
29:56
point in time rhyme it's a tie game.
30:00
Yep. Seen our offense move the ball
30:04
and then couple, you know, the first pass was incomplete the
30:08
second pass. Pass was it was the right call
30:11
because if trade catches that ball we're on plus side of the
30:14
field with probably a minute and some change left and he missed
30:21
it and it was could be be a thoughts, you put yourself.
30:23
If you do that, you put yourself in a situation where either
30:27
you're getting the field goal or they probably don't have enough
30:32
time to come back down the field.
30:34
No, no, they're not. If he catches that, if we don't
30:36
get the field goal, it's going over time.
30:38
Yeah. And I don't know if that favors
30:40
if you'd obviously favors them because of our red zone defense,
30:43
can I be honest? I hated the first down rat
30:45
called The the play to little swing out.
30:50
Yeah I that that was are mailed. I mean, number one, if you're
30:54
going to have your quarterback who is hurting in his throwing
30:59
shoulder, Throw the ball, it better be down the fucking
31:04
field. You are tie.
31:07
This is not up 10 points with two minutes left.
31:11
And if you're thinking about getting any sort of clock off
31:14
the ball, get your running back in space on like a toss or
31:18
something like that. Keep the clock running there in
31:23
a different way if you're going to be conservative, be
31:25
conservative. So, that's my problem there.
31:30
And, and I love the second downplay.
31:32
Call Secondhand play. Call was perfect.
31:35
It was Trey's got to come down with that ball.
31:38
Could have been a little bit better throne, but if you get
31:40
both hands on it you got to pull it in.
31:42
It's true, man. It's very, very true.
31:46
So you know, BB prize like crazy scramble.
31:50
Gets 9e short, we have to punt. And then, you know, we had
31:55
already seen it the way comb had driven before with, you know,
31:59
with no Dax in the game, you know, it seven plays in a min,
32:07
30 seconds to go 45 yards and it was, you know, a couple one, big
32:15
one, small ones. another big one, another solid one in the
32:20
next thing you know they're at our 30 48-yard field goal right
32:23
through about 20 seconds left and 3229 and we can sit back and
32:30
we can just say So many points in the game.
32:36
So many points where we leaving, you know, multiple points on the
32:41
field that if you do, that, this doesn't happen.
32:45
They're out, they don't have the possibility, it changes game
32:50
Flow at chain. I don't think they, they have
32:53
Bulgarian, but if they got down 14, I don't think he ever comes
32:56
in because I think Derek and say, well, we can run the ball
32:59
but you're sitting there. It's like okay, but if we run
33:02
the ball, Ball. And we're taking time-consuming
33:05
drives, they're taking time-consuming trials.
33:07
They prove, they can move the ball on us not at will, but
33:13
situationally they can move the ball on us.
33:15
I don't think he comes in. I think they put Conan and say,
33:18
Hey, you know, let's let's swing it out, let's swing it.
33:21
Let's see what we can do because we're not running the football
33:24
effectively and I mean we didn't do what we needed to do in some
33:28
ways in that, in that regard on D4, that we did a good job of
33:32
containing the running game. And that never really hurt us
33:35
badly. If we were worse in the Red
33:39
Zone, we were worse than the Red Zone against the run, but in the
33:42
middle of the field, we did a good job against the run, so
33:48
they got 170 yards. They ran the ball over 40 times.
33:52
It should have been, you know, three, three and a half, but I'm
33:54
not going to argue over over for nothing really.
33:58
We'll talk about that in a few minutes.
34:01
But overall, it's just everything we've talked about
34:05
these first 30 minutes or it's just a cataclysm of coaching,
34:09
kids played their hearts out. Kids will put when the kids were
34:13
put in good positions last night.
34:15
The kids executed in the kids, turned it into positive yards.
34:20
It wasn't one of these games where it was a, you know, it was
34:25
a great play call and we screwed up when they were good play
34:28
calls the kids got yards. There was like, you know, we've
34:32
talked and we've already done a couple plays here there, where
34:35
execution was the factor, and one of them being the, the
34:39
second down call on our last offensive position what I'd say.
34:43
Next-to-last. Yeah, counting, the, you know,
34:46
the random to plays, we ran after they kick the field goal.
34:49
We don't really count those. I mean because BB's arm hurting
34:53
and less you hit a, you know, a 30-yard host.
34:58
Get you to Midfield where you can burn a timeout.
35:01
I mean you had to have some miracle happen and that is was
35:04
not in the cards last night, all right?
35:07
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35:08
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35:41
right, but before we jump into the topic.
35:45
Explain the rule at the Cincinnati kick today.
35:48
As you see that one, like it literally when it hit the flag
35:52
behind it like it went over the bar.
35:56
It went, it went over the bar outside of the side of the bar,
36:01
and then hit the flag on the back side.
36:03
So you never actually went. But between the bar perspective,
36:09
wise it was, it's hard to see from where they were kicking
36:14
from. And, from the sidelines, I get
36:16
why they thought it was in, but it wasn't then.
36:21
All right, thanks rule. 101. Also, Mason cries being that
36:25
game. Yeah.
36:27
It ends up kicking the game winner.
36:29
But damn. It was an adventure getting
36:31
there. Look like a golfer who had the
36:34
hips for about three holes, like just pull, pull, pull finally
36:40
got it, right? All right.
36:42
Well, Ron, let's jump back. Offensive notes on and let's
36:46
talk about this first, the offensive line, we're still
36:49
trying to find the right group. I know, I noticed Parker
36:52
Clemente out there a few times last night Silas was back in the
36:56
The lineup. Thank goodness.
36:59
I don't remember seeing Johnny Jordan any what did you notice
37:03
in? You know, what would you do
37:06
going forward? Because I do remember him.
37:09
Remember a couple of driving implements was in.
37:11
We were more effective and not am not going to Silas again.
37:15
It's tough to pay attention to the offensive line when it's a
37:18
side view. Yeah.
37:22
I think the problem is that they haven't found what their best
37:25
five. Is, and I think this was a bad
37:28
game to try to keep experimenting with that.
37:34
I mean, we praise Vice for some things that have happened in the
37:38
last couple years. But I mean, this is something
37:41
that's getting a little old this year is that we haven't settled
37:44
on a five. And that's not not, you know,
37:47
notwithstanding the fact that we've had some injuries.
37:49
I mean, that's that's obviously a concern, but that's not the
37:53
only problem that we're dealing with here.
37:55
Is that That we're still trying to figure out what our best five
37:59
grouping is even when we got healthy Guys, across the board,
38:04
you know, we saw Brock come back, Brock, probably played his
38:06
best game in the season. Yes, yeah.
38:10
With the exception of penalties which, you know, the ineligible
38:14
which, you know, I'm not getting into that again.
38:17
Yeah, he had one false start. I think that did back us up in a
38:22
critical situation, but but you saw just blocking lies.
38:26
He was blocking wise, he played as close to his performances
38:32
last year as I've seen from him this year.
38:36
So I don't know if just that's mindset or what it may be, but
38:40
He definitely went out there and played better, not perfect and
38:44
definitely still a couple errors there, from a mental standpoint,
38:46
but he cleaned up the physicality and just being where
38:51
he needs to be every play. And not losing his many battles
38:55
in the trenches this week. All right, let me ask this.
38:59
Having Salle's Parker Clemente banged up for implements
39:04
obviously. For West Virginia, Middle,
39:06
Tennessee, State. And I think I don't think he was
39:08
in Richmond. I don't remember him.
39:10
Him. I don't remember seeing him at
39:11
Richmond. If he was, he was how much did
39:15
having those guys out? Because, again, we talked about
39:19
it. Those are the games to
39:20
experiment, to try different place.
39:23
But when you don't have that opportunity, unfortunately, we
39:26
had to do it against Notre Dame. Probably a top ten fifteen
39:29
defense, under Freeman this year.
39:32
You know, in the next games, I don't get any easier either
39:36
pits, not as good defensively as Notre Dame, but it's going to,
39:40
One of those games we were going to have to score.
39:45
Yeah, we're going to have to score some points against Pitt
39:48
because they're going to score some points against us.
39:49
And you know the offensive line has been a problem but we also
39:52
talk about the running back room.
39:55
You know we've had inconsistency there, I think you know
39:59
Blackshear has been the most consistent player offensively in
40:02
terms of kind of all-purpose yards rate but we just have not
40:07
gotten a footing where we can get a consistent running.
40:10
Game going and I still go back to with you know, we looked in
40:14
this game and we had both, we had two quarterbacks, they were
40:16
completely banged up. Yeah but we're still not
40:20
incorporating. The read part of the the option
40:25
part of the read option like we need to and that's areas where
40:31
if we can get Braxton the slide that he could actually use use
40:34
that that at speed to his Advantage especially you know,
40:38
getting some some Court. Clean alleys on that backside of
40:42
the, of the play. But we're not doing that.
40:46
Well, we can't, we can't even do it now.
40:48
No, because if he plays this week, he's going to be.
40:51
We know he's banged. Yeah and you know you can
40:56
speculate is it a dislocated shoulder?
41:00
I don't think heat or anything. I don't think heat or anything
41:03
because I think when they took him to the locker room, he
41:05
wouldn't have been able to. He would have been on throw the
41:07
ball. If he if he had torn something
41:08
they would have done the flex test.
41:10
Right. And essentially reflects test,
41:12
even with adrenaline pumping, you're going to be there.
41:14
A range of motion will show. You've torn something you can't
41:17
do anything, we need an MRI. So it's either a dislocated
41:19
shoulder or maybe it's a deep bruise on his shoulder where
41:23
it's like, 12 take the pills last night, you know, to get
41:29
back in there and be able to throw.
41:31
So if he's out and then blowing it for goodness, sakes.
41:34
I mean, Bromley got wrecked on that play, right to his ribs.
41:39
So he's probably out, you know, we'll hopefully hear something
41:44
tomorrow. I highly doubt it on, the
41:46
probably won't put it on stream either tomorrow.
41:48
So we'll have to be my key and my light McDaniels Andy.
41:54
Bitter - Zoli has just tweak good tomorrow so we know
41:58
exactly. So you down to mocks then and
42:03
knocks and Bullock is the backup.
42:05
So you know, we talk about the running back who probably had 20
42:09
Aries that yesterday, we had 37 carries total.
42:12
They were at 20. So, you know, and you know, he
42:17
led the way with, you know, eight at 35 and then they gave
42:24
Sean King of couple, Malachi Thomas, had some run and then
42:27
Jalen had some run. And it You can see as much as we
42:36
can say, we need a running quarterback in this offense.
42:38
I think you got to have running backs.
42:41
Honestly, do you think you got to have them running backs in
42:43
this offense, who can go and come with skill sets that are
42:47
different because Khalil Herbert had it and you can see it Khalil
42:52
Herbert. Also had a better offensive line
42:54
and across the group and I think with with the deficiencies that
42:59
we have at at least two positions on this offensive
43:04
line, we need some of that run threat element from the
43:09
quarterback position to really be effective running the
43:12
football even when we give the ball to the backs.
43:15
I mean at this point, they're not honoring the read option.
43:19
Unless we go into the like an inverted v r.
43:23
Look if we're just running a straight read option, they are
43:25
not honoring that at all. It was there times last night
43:29
where Phoebe would have tuck. He would have had 25 or 30
43:32
yards. Yeah.
43:33
And can we talk about something else real quick?
43:35
Since we're on the quarterbacks, okay, You know, we talked about
43:40
that we talked about Connor, blumrich being a good package
43:44
quarter bag with a short yardage goal, line things like that.
43:48
But when when Braxton got hurt, why was blumrich running the
43:54
single wing are playing be at the quarterback position.
43:58
Again coaching coaching not players.
44:03
He went out and executed the best he could the other clown
44:06
who seemed knocks come in and we No knocks at Clemson in a big
44:09
situation. Last year.
44:11
Essentially running normal offense.
44:13
Yeah. Well, there is, there is That's
44:17
how the ball is. So messed up, it is.
44:20
And it feels like they just, they're, they're rudderless,
44:23
they don't know. When good things happen, it
44:27
happens because Athletics the players make plays but it's it's
44:34
it doesn't look like, I mean and even when their scheme the the
44:38
like it just feels like they have so many periods where it
44:43
feels like they don't know what they're doing next and it feels
44:47
like they play tight like they're scared to mess up that
44:50
they don't go out there and just all right.
44:54
Have a chance to compete. I want to Proclaim and you tell
44:58
me if you did not see it Jekyll and Hyde play calling that first
45:02
touchdown Drive. I listed everything we did.
45:04
And I know some of that would have been in the script.
45:07
But last night there were a times where we were like The
45:11
Comeback route you talking about.
45:12
We had some of those, some of the out, the 15 yard out.
45:17
We have some of those obviously, the tadion Robinson play, I
45:20
talked about. We had some of those we went
45:22
under Center a cup. Four pounds.
45:25
That's what we talked about by week, guys.
45:27
We talked about that was elements of of Memphis, and TCU
45:31
that had been a part of the Fuente offense, even if it
45:35
wasn't necessarily a Hallmark of the Fuente offense, when
45:39
situations call for door, when you really just want to run the
45:42
damn ball between the tackles, they would go under Center.
45:45
They would have an h-back that would do multiple things for
45:48
them when they went under Center, whether it be kind of
45:51
just leading out as a typical fullback, whether it be Coming
45:55
across the formation to from kick-outs.
45:58
It was several different things they would do under Center and
46:01
we, you know, we finally saw them try that and it worked, but
46:08
we why not stick with some of that, why not?
46:12
That's why I still question. It's a Jekyll and Hyde thing
46:16
who's calling plays who's making these decisions because at
46:19
times, it seems like you always talk about sequencing.
46:23
That's one of your big things and I think you playing at
46:25
Sydney for Marty, you saw a guy who knew how to sequence plays
46:29
and make setups and show things that will be shown later.
46:32
And there were times last night, where it felt like the
46:35
sequences, it was just like boom.
46:37
And then boom, we didn't food, we did.
46:39
And next thing, you know, this shit we're in a Red Zone.
46:41
How the hell are we move the ball in the last three minutes?
46:45
55 yards. And then there were times last
46:48
night where it was just like, well, we've seen this story
46:50
before. It's, that's what I don't get.
46:54
That's where I go. Question, what's happening
46:56
behind that room? Can I tell you?
46:58
When we look our best go for it, we look our best when we need to
47:04
score and we're running out of clock when we go Tempo and we
47:08
have to get a point and we start playing loose and not thinking
47:13
as much Because look, I mean, if and I appreciate before halftime
47:22
and we could have sat on that ball went to halftime.
47:26
I thought we were and we didn't come like we're needing out.
47:31
But we did, and we did. And that, that was as good of a
47:36
sequence of offense, as they played the entire night.
47:39
I mean, there were other other drives that went longer and got
47:41
more points, but that, that those sequence of plays were
47:45
very good. And the problem is that we don't
47:48
see that for sustained periods throughout a game.
47:52
We don't and it really sucks for guys like Trey Turner and Tavian
47:56
Robinson, whether what your opinion is Trey's the best wide
47:59
receiver on the team tavio. On the a very close second and
48:03
those guys last night had 140 of the yards, receiving to add
48:08
another 10 on his a couple of his runs and they only had I
48:13
need to do something here. Brian, let me look at the Box
48:15
real quick. I had it up a second ago and I
48:17
pulled it down. You're good.
48:20
We ran last night. A total of 71 plays 71 plays.
48:29
They got the ball in their hands 16 times.
48:34
Yeah. That should be closer to 25.
48:41
So you're telling us and and I'd love to see Target rates of how
48:45
many were overthrown but give credit there.
48:47
Weren't many balls that were thrown other than the
48:50
interception, which we played pretty clean last night.
48:53
He cost us dearly because it was so deep in our territory.
48:57
But you've got to be thinking about having to get those guys
49:01
involved. I mean, you saw earlier we tried
49:04
to run an outside screen. They say, well, we missed the
49:06
block and they essentially hit Tavian back in the backfield.
49:09
But if you're only saying, That the two best Playmakers on your
49:12
team aren't even getting 25%. Of the touches you know it's
49:22
like where is your head out? Defense would be one thing if we
49:25
were the Bastion of spreading the ball around but we're not
49:32
we're not hitting that category very hard either.
49:34
It's not like we're you know you've got seven or eight guys
49:39
with three plus catches either. Right?
49:42
Well yeah it's just it's a lot. All right.
49:46
Brian. Anything else you want to hit on
49:47
the Offense, before we flip over talk about defense for a minute.
49:51
Let's go ahead and flip over man, I'm ready to move on.
49:55
We move on Lots on the offense. Well last night, Brian it
49:58
finally happened, defensive depth, the loss of Alec Bryant,
50:01
the loss of Robert wound, Justin Beatles, other guys who love.
50:04
Finally reared its head, especially on that.
50:06
Last round. They were done for knowing.
50:08
Garbutt. We're done.
50:09
We saw Eli Adams and Jalen, a few times on the field.
50:14
But we and I'm going to be very interesting to see the snap.
50:18
accounts, but it's one of those things where If we would have
50:24
just had wooden and Brian to go along.
50:29
With getting some from Eli know, we had coal Nelson out, saw him
50:33
later in the game. It reared, its ugly head because
50:38
they were on the field like we about split time of possession
50:43
and Notre Dame had you know I think they had 70 plus plays to
50:49
Notre Dame had 69 please because seven basically seven them.
50:53
You know, the same number of plays about the same time of
50:56
possession. Same times I've seen or plays we
50:58
have been Keeping that somewhere between 55 and 60 with the
51:01
pacing of the game. Obviously this game with the
51:04
scoring the pick-6, it changed and it sucks because the
51:10
interior has the depth, you can see it, but I can probably I'll
51:18
prefer to you on this if you're eventually late in the game and
51:21
you know, these guys aren't getting their steps.
51:23
They can't bulrush. How easy is it for your
51:26
offensive line? Coach say, listen, y'all just
51:28
stay in his, they're not going to get past the outside tackles
51:33
yeah, I mean That's the problem with death, right?
51:38
And we know that that tier link likes to rotate up to three full
51:43
sets of lines at the defense of wine.
51:45
We don't have that we don't we don't have that.
51:48
We've got five solid D. Tackles, we've got three solid
51:53
defensive ends with two, that are one undersized and another
51:57
coming along. And we're just not there where
52:02
we feel like we can in a situation where they have to
52:07
score the ball to win the game. You know, the trade-off there is
52:11
you put your best guys out there that are beat or you put your
52:15
second line out there. That doesn't have the top-end
52:19
ability that you need in the situation.
52:23
So it we were put in a situation where you're damned, if you do
52:27
damned if you don't and it ended up biting us and you know, you
52:30
You can second-guess those choices in terms of who, what
52:33
personnel was out there at that time but you know you want your
52:36
best guys out there you Hope they've got enough in the tank,
52:40
but we're at a point now where snap counts are going up and we
52:43
are even coming off a bye, you know play in 69 snaps and I mean
52:49
I'm not sure what the snap count was for bar.
52:52
No. And Garbutt.
52:54
But if it's anywhere, in that same percentage that we've seen
52:57
through the first four games, it's Higher than tear leak would
53:01
like it to be. And you know when we don't have
53:05
that depth, we get into situations like this.
53:07
Where were their gas? The defense isn't quite.
53:11
Yeah, able to able to hold up as long as the back end either and
53:17
shit happens, man. And in a lot of that goes, we
53:21
played a bad offensive line. Yesterday, we only got two sacks
53:24
to Total. We talked about, we need to be
53:26
up there, but they went to a mobile quarterback.
53:30
Lee. And I think that's also what
53:33
gasps the end, right? Because yeah, couldn't be
53:37
aggressive. They couldn't pin their ears
53:38
back. They have a state
53:39
responsibility. They have chased the guy, her
53:41
say it changed Buckner for two and a half quarters.
53:45
Yeah. And now they were having to go
53:48
full-on pass rush and they're gonna they didn't have legs left
53:55
and we weren't able to rotate enough early in the contest to
53:57
keep them fresh enough late in the contest.
54:01
And it's one of those things where it's depth because
54:05
obviously the quarterback room at Notre Dame is very deep
54:08
between cone Pine and Buckner. We didn't talk about Buckner
54:13
because up to this point, Buckner had been more of a
54:16
gadget blown, right? By God, they sent him out there,
54:18
they'd run, you know, they'd run a read-option, they'd run some
54:21
Powers with them. They run some leads and he's, I
54:24
saw that on the stats, but I was like, they might bring him in,
54:27
but this is more as Pine or is it Comb.
54:32
And you know the worst thing that happened he took that run
54:35
late and we popped him because I don't think Brian Kelly would
54:39
have went back to comb. I think it Butler will still
54:41
healthy not taking that pop. I think he sticks with them and
54:47
maybe we can win the game. Maybe we don't.
54:50
And a rear was a really a pop. It looks like he kind of twisted
54:53
his ankle after he made the Royal there.
54:56
Yeah, it didn't look bad either. Like, oh, he'll be back.
55:01
But again, an offensive line that had been giving up close to
55:08
15 hits behind the line of scrimmage.
55:15
You know, they give up to, or actually do the quarterback
55:17
change, but then, in the other part Brown, we talked about it.
55:20
The other week were missed tackles.
55:22
We have them. I see I can kill him.
55:24
I had like five times, we had them for losses and we couldn't
55:29
finish the sack of couldn't finish the Lost.
55:31
We missed the tackle and they get back to the line of
55:33
scrimmage or three or four times on Chris Tyree in about two or
55:37
three times on Buckner and those add up right over the course of
55:43
Of time. And some of that is, you know,
55:46
chasing guys that you weren't expected to chase.
55:48
But at the same time you're coming off of by, we got to have
55:52
some of that in our mind that they could come out do something
55:55
different. And it's just another thing we
56:00
talked about is missed tackles and we didn't.
56:03
We had more missed tackles this game than we probably had all
56:06
year. It's right there with the West
56:10
Virginia game, but fortunately, for us, they They didn't
56:14
necessarily. Result in knockout punches.
56:18
It was more more Jabs, more little knife Cuts things, we
56:22
kept our defense on the field, but unfortunately when we talk
56:25
about what, how this game came to an end, you know, those are
56:29
the things that that hurts you because that gives them that
56:33
that's a 3 that turns into a touchdown potentially because
56:36
I'm extended drive. And then, the more plays you
56:40
play, the more gas, you get. Then at the end, you can't can't
56:43
quite get enough to get them off the field again.
56:46
So, Every little thing kind of plays off each other.
56:50
And that's, that's, there's little things we got to get
56:52
better at. I like the way in my cuts
56:55
because it was where instead of being second and nine, they
56:59
missed the tackle. It's second and six.
57:03
It opens the Playbook more or you stop them.
57:08
And it's 4th and 2. Well, no, it's they, you missed
57:12
it. The only got an extra yard.
57:14
And you know, that's one of those things where you feel for
57:18
the defenses. Like if you're doing that, it
57:21
means everybody's getting to the ball.
57:24
But the goal is, if you gotta stop and where they are because
57:27
the actually aren't had no. I mean, if you really, if
57:30
somebody wants to nerd out and has more time than we do, go
57:36
through and start killing the extra yards.
57:37
I would probably guess it's somewhere between 60 and 70 just
57:41
knowing how many tackles we missed.
57:43
And like, I can't remember when this was and the game had wrote
57:47
down here, we could not finish a sack off and I think he ran for
57:52
an additional and therefore through my notes from last
58:02
night, all the pages of notes from last night.
58:07
It was later in the game. But anyway, I wrote down, he
58:12
essentially missed, we couldn't finish the sack, there's gonna
58:15
be like a six or seven yard loss.
58:16
And I think he went for like six or seven more.
58:19
Because a plus 14 game right there, that's a ton on brought.
58:25
I'll say this about the second day.
58:26
We might struggle to stop them in the back end.
58:28
We get closer to the goal. But as you said last week on
58:31
Wednesday night we force them to drive.
58:34
We're going to force some turnovers.
58:36
Yep we housed one. We stop the touchdown dry or a
58:40
potential scoring drive. This your peoples in Armani
58:43
Chapman dropped, one that would have set us up perfect.
58:47
The secondary It's not the elite level yet.
58:53
They are heading that way but we got we got ball Hawks back
58:58
there. Something we hadn't seen the
59:00
last few years on this defense. Yeah, it's probably the I'll be
59:04
out. We said it before the season.
59:06
Probably the best. We felt about the secondary at
59:08
the beginning of a season in a long time.
59:10
We did know obviously what the combination of Farley and Waller
59:15
was going to look like start at the start of the season in 2019
59:20
but I mean, they've lived up to my expectations.
59:23
So far. Jermaine Waller has come back as
59:25
a force. We finally got that defensive
59:28
touchdown this week with him. You know.
59:30
He's a, he's been a pic machine so far this season and been
59:34
really solid and coverage. He did get beat at one time, but
59:37
he was step for step that was just a perfect throw.
59:39
I mean, it's hard to stop that and the other guys are coming,
59:44
along Armani Chapman's had, he's had a couple games that haven't
59:49
been great, but they Still solid enough and he's had some of the
59:52
better. These played his best overall
59:55
football this season. So you like seeing that like
59:58
seeing him come along and in Dorian, strong is continuing to
1:00:01
progress as well. He needs to get a little bit
1:00:04
better against the run and being Vivian physical in the
1:00:09
secondary. I think that's one area that he
1:00:11
still kind of coming into his own with.
1:00:14
So I'd like to see more progress there.
1:00:16
But yeah, Hawks across the board, man.
1:00:20
And I like, I like the way that's trending.
1:00:22
So shout out to Ryan Smith for really making, not only, you
1:00:26
know, things happen on the recruiting Trail, but also
1:00:29
putting a good product out there on the field as well.
1:00:33
Putting a good product out there on the field.
1:00:35
Not afraid to make changes, not afraid to put certain guys ahead
1:00:39
of certain guys that they've lived up and Jermaine Waller.
1:00:45
I think he now leads the country in interceptions every week.
1:00:50
More money, little more money, a little better draft pick every
1:00:53
single week. Alright, Braun.
1:00:56
I don't know what you're doing about 1:00 today.
1:00:59
So what was going on? We're just watching football,
1:01:03
where you read an article. Because this tweet you sent out
1:01:07
has blown up. And if you guys haven't seen it,
1:01:10
122 from Brian these accounts eat 50 52.
1:01:13
He says the following Since it's being asked, I'll put this out
1:01:19
there at this point, the benefits of fire and a coach far
1:01:23
outweigh the risks. If the goal is to compete for an
1:01:26
AC side, see title every season and potentially make the playoff
1:01:29
once every six years, which this would have been the year.
1:01:32
Based on how Clemson has looked the Fugees, ain't the guy and
1:01:38
you're done with meteor akka T, what was going on?
1:01:42
What what what just what triggered that part of all well,
1:01:46
I Was watching football. I had went back and started
1:01:48
looking at some of the highlights from the game and
1:01:52
just thinking about how I was feeling in the game last night
1:01:55
and how I kept replaying it. And, you know, we started this
1:02:00
with same old song and dance and I feel like that's where we're
1:02:03
at. And when you, when you're get to
1:02:05
that point and you're not seeing Improvement, Just getting by
1:02:11
isn't enough anymore. Now, we've been getting by, we
1:02:15
can average. We've been mediocre since 2017,
1:02:21
2017? When he I'll throw 2017 in
1:02:25
there, I think. We had more, we could have won
1:02:30
more games in 2017 that we did. We exactly.
1:02:34
And that's and that to me, is when it started, that's that.
1:02:38
That to me counts, if you're leaving multiple games on your
1:02:42
schedule every year that you should win, Then that's that,
1:02:48
that's being mediocre and it started then, you know.
1:02:53
And and what I'm going to say is this, we're in year six, we're
1:02:58
Beyond where, okay, you get a pass.
1:03:01
Yes, that's your for. So 2017, a couple losses that
1:03:05
should have been wins. You gotta pass 2018, you had a
1:03:09
bunch of people leave. You had a bunch of people that
1:03:12
were ineligible You were young as hell.
1:03:16
Pass, 2019. That's when we started saying
1:03:22
started, it started early, it started with Duke and then you
1:03:27
turn it around a little bit. Unfortunately, you left us with
1:03:31
a bad taste in our mouth with UVA and then Kentucky.
1:03:38
You start to not get the pass then 2020 happens.
1:03:42
And pretty much covid and maybe a past appearances wit.
1:03:49
Gave you a pass. I don't think us as a whole gave
1:03:52
you a pass, but went gave you a pass.
1:03:54
We gave you a pass. Alright, so now we're in 2021,
1:03:58
we're in year six, I'm done giving passes.
1:04:02
Oh no, and I know that from a from a mathematical standpoint.
1:04:06
The coastal is still ours for the taking, but does anyone
1:04:10
listening to this feel comfortable zero?
1:04:13
That it's going to happen? I've been a confident that
1:04:16
confident. I'm not saying that we can't do
1:04:18
it. I'm saying, I have no confidence
1:04:21
that it will happen. We have this.
1:04:23
I don't feel confident about Georgia Tech anymore.
1:04:27
I definitely don't feel confident about pit especially
1:04:29
because Braxton's, probably not playing, I don't, I'm not sure
1:04:32
how I feel about Syracuse. I'm not sure how I feel about
1:04:36
UVA. Duke is the only game left on
1:04:38
our schedule. That I feel 100% confident.
1:04:40
We will wish. Absolutely, I'm with you right
1:04:44
on that and I'm going to, I'm going to still argue.
1:04:46
I don't I don't count 2017 because 2017 was still majority
1:04:51
of being requires. That was though, in that year,
1:04:56
the losses were to Clemson and went to the playoff.
1:04:59
Miami who had one lost the two games you can say.
1:05:02
We shouldn't have lost. That we did was Georgia Tech and
1:05:06
the bowl game? Yep.
1:05:08
I can't, I can't go into there and say that, you know, it is
1:05:11
what it is. You lose to a team that similar
1:05:13
to you. Oklahoma state was good that
1:05:15
year. The Georgia Tech is the only
1:05:17
game you can say that you're going to me 2018 up to this
1:05:21
point and you talk about mediocrity 2018 up to this
1:05:24
point. We are 22 and 20.
1:05:26
We are the definition of mediocre.
1:05:28
We are the definition of average and we are not used to that in
1:05:32
this program though. Those who started while on this
1:05:35
program, especially in the mid-1990s when we were in our
1:05:38
teens. We're not used to that.
1:05:41
And it's in, it's in a somewhat. It's other mediocrity bull.
1:05:45
It's a crap that he doesn't make any changes that are takes me.
1:05:50
When your mediocre you have to make changes.
1:05:52
He won't fire his friends. He won't, he won't.
1:05:56
And that's that's a mediocre thing.
1:05:58
Great coaches. Don't do that great.
1:06:00
If we were bad and we didn't have talent, and we were doing
1:06:03
this, Shit, I wouldn't feel bad about it.
1:06:05
We have talented guys, we screwed up the recruiting
1:06:08
footprint for a few years. Luckily that's somewhat between
1:06:12
Ron Smith, Justin Hamilton JC price and Adam Lichtenberg death
1:06:15
slowly turning the corner. Now, the one thing, I'll give
1:06:18
him a credit on is and I don't know if this is him or behind
1:06:22
the scenes people, but it seems like alumni relations have
1:06:24
gotten there. They were a ton of guys there.
1:06:26
Last night. 8:00 on a guy's different arrows.
1:06:30
But everything else is so mediocre.
1:06:33
I mean, I'm giving that I'm giving that bone to Dwight Vic
1:06:36
and the stock has been putting together behind the scenes and
1:06:39
I'm giving to the I mean, yeah, I'm sure some of that kind of
1:06:43
started with wit and I feel like there is a push from the
1:06:49
athletic department that's gearing up for that stuff.
1:06:52
But at the same time I don't think that when they was like,
1:06:57
Hey this this is going to be a really good idea that's going to
1:07:00
You know do well for us? I think I think it was something
1:07:02
that was brought to him. He's like, okay, sure well good
1:07:06
and and whites doing a hell of a job, you know, bringing that out
1:07:09
to fruition. You see guys like John
1:07:13
McLaughlin and Luther Maddie that are doing a lot of good
1:07:16
engagement on their podcast and on the stuff that they do live
1:07:20
at the game woman. Yeah, you never bring a people
1:07:23
that you know you want to hear from.
1:07:25
You want to hear they're doing current.
1:07:26
Players are bringing former players in in if nothing else.
1:07:31
What this era has brought out in Virginia Tech is voices.
1:07:39
Yeah. Voices of former players voices
1:07:41
of fans You know, in and I think when we look back in a few years
1:07:49
it's going to be one of those things where if this didn't
1:07:51
happen, we're probably a much quieter fan base.
1:07:56
We're probably more status quo but now it's not because we
1:08:02
don't want to be mediocre. We we were we were we were we
1:08:06
were 15 minutes away from the Mountaintop and 99.
1:08:09
We're 15 minutes away from the Mountaintop.
1:08:12
And, and then the subsequent years, you know, we were one and
1:08:16
two games away from. Yeah, we were stacking 10-win
1:08:20
Seasons. We were stacking trips to the
1:08:23
big conference title game. Winning ACC championships.
1:08:27
We were playing Elite teams. We were knocking some.
1:08:29
Aw, we were in when you get that close in to where we are now.
1:08:36
That's what hurts that's what hurts.
1:08:39
And what I fear is there's there's and we've talked about
1:08:44
this before, Brian. I don't want to see passion
1:08:49
every every Saturday, we lose the game, I see people on the
1:08:52
timeline, you know, saying I'll back out there again or fire.
1:08:56
The guy, we're not apathetic my fear.
1:09:00
This is my biggest fear what happens between now and June?
1:09:04
If we don't win a game that hokey Hall of Fame, where these
1:09:08
going in and Drake fridge, going in that it can be 50,000 people
1:09:13
there and it'll look nothing like Lane Stadium.
1:09:16
Mmm, and that's apathy. Once apathy hits wits in a shit
1:09:20
ton of trouble, and that's bad because we've seen Lane and it's
1:09:27
best to times this year. Yes, we had it at its fucking
1:09:30
best UNC. And last night last night was
1:09:34
fucking gas and the more we move away from that and fans fans
1:09:43
come out there. They love this team but Got to
1:09:46
start rewarding your fans with winds or they're not going to
1:09:50
come back. Nope, they're not going to and
1:09:52
I'm not saying it's going to be a wholesale all at once thing.
1:09:56
But you're going to see about five to seven thousand less
1:10:00
every home game going forward as an, especially once we get on
1:10:04
that road trip before we come back for Duke.
1:10:07
Yeah, it's going to be interesting, guys.
1:10:10
It's going to be interesting and I'm with Curtis here, I'm more
1:10:14
concerned about what are the long-term.
1:10:16
Term impacts and especially the long-term impacts if we don't
1:10:19
make some sort of move this off season, if things go south the
1:10:23
way we think it's going to go, it has to be made, I don't care
1:10:26
if it's a 93, I don't care. If we 6 in-1 and lock our way
1:10:29
into the ACC, how it's got to be because there's nothing changed.
1:10:35
If you saw it and you can't sit here and whip Babcock you cannot
1:10:40
sit here and put your chips on this in no changes being made.
1:10:45
Because the thing is Is what we said.
1:10:47
I said, at the beginning, what we saw six years ago.
1:10:50
It's still the same today, there is no such change.
1:10:54
And when there is no change, you cannot expect to move forward.
1:11:00
And I know Alabama loss yesterday, it literally took one
1:11:05
of Nick Saban's. Proteges, it took 23 times for
1:11:08
somebody. Finally beat that guy.
1:11:09
One of his Protege. And guess what?
1:11:13
Think about Nick, Saban Brian. If I told you 10 years ago, Nick
1:11:17
Saban's going to be running a pseudo power spread with Pro
1:11:20
Concepts. Not just, you know, two tight
1:11:24
ends a fullback, run the ball, you would call me crazy.
1:11:28
Now, when you, what has he done? He saw the future and he said,
1:11:33
all right, I can get guys that can run this in here.
1:11:36
I can make this happen and he put in because and and honestly
1:11:40
because of the athletes he recruits that they They can run
1:11:44
that type of offense. They can move seamlessly.
1:11:48
Yeah, he he's like, all right, we can move, we can change this
1:11:51
and he did. And I think that's that's the
1:11:53
thing that's frustrating in the thing that kind of highlights
1:11:58
all the other problems because I feel like, you know, we don't
1:12:03
get on here and just Crush Justin Fuente for every little
1:12:06
thing. Yeah, we don't.
1:12:10
But when we see something that is off, we say, say it.
1:12:15
And true. The issue that we're having is
1:12:18
that things have been off in terms of in game play calling,
1:12:25
in terms of in-game decision-making that go beyond
1:12:30
just well, he's not recruiting, he came out, he wasn't
1:12:33
recruiting Virginia like he should, or he's not approachable
1:12:37
as a person that like we want our head coach to be like all
1:12:41
that shit. Wouldn't matter if we were
1:12:43
winning on Saturday's it we care about it but it wouldn't matter
1:12:48
in the scheme of things went. Well, when you stack, all of
1:12:52
that stuff, it's hard to make a good case to keep the guy.
1:12:55
Because if, if you're, if your goals, if you're not making
1:13:00
progress towards your goals then you're gone.
1:13:05
You're like that, that that's that's that's how it works.
1:13:07
Like I can't set goals and make no progress towards them and be
1:13:11
like, all right, well I'll just try the same thing next year.
1:13:14
Ear, that's not how it works in the real world that shouldn't be
1:13:17
how it works in college football.
1:13:19
The goals of this football team are to go to the ACC title game
1:13:24
every year And to potentially go and win the ACC.
1:13:31
Putting yourself in position to play for the college football,
1:13:36
in the, in the college football playoff, every four to six
1:13:39
years. If we had a six year, Outcome.
1:13:45
And you said that one of those we won the ACC.
1:13:50
Yep. One of those, we had an eighth
1:13:54
win season and the rest, we were playing for the, for the
1:13:57
championship. In those other four.
1:14:01
No one would have a problem. That's that's that's what we
1:14:04
expect. So that's what we want.
1:14:06
We be at 10 and a half would be the average every year.
1:14:10
We'd expect somewhere between nine.
1:14:11
And yeah somewhere between nine and eleven.
1:14:13
Yeah, and no one would have an issue but you know what?
1:14:17
Also that meant Brian they had been they would have been
1:14:19
changes. We would have seen the same crap
1:14:21
because usually what happens is you make the changes you get
1:14:26
better. And when you don't make changes
1:14:29
and you continue to do the same routines, the same things.
1:14:33
You see, it's like, how comes it's the momentum thing.
1:14:36
So even when we see positive in one area, we don't stack that
1:14:41
with positive in another area. Yeah so we saw some progress in
1:14:45
recruiting this year but if you don't stack that with winds,
1:14:49
it's hard to keep classes. It's hard to keep that momentum
1:14:51
in the recruiting game. There's so many things that are
1:14:54
negatively impacted by losses on the field in law.
1:14:57
Losses and gains that you have the chance to win and don't.
1:15:01
That are going to trickle down. And at some point we got to
1:15:04
decide is is pursuing. This relationship, a positive
1:15:12
impact on reaching our goals, and I think we're past that.
1:15:15
I think we know that pursuing. This relationship further is not
1:15:19
going to help us reach our goals and if that's what we've
1:15:22
decided, then we need to move on.
1:15:24
Yeah it's definitely to me regardless of outcome this year
1:15:28
it is going to be definitely time to move on.
1:15:31
You got a big fundraiser in front of you that you look at
1:15:35
the bottom of our screen. We score with it every week, and
1:15:38
if you're going to keep the guy that probably win seven games,
1:15:40
maybe six this year, there's going to be people that just
1:15:44
aren't going to open up their pocketbooks.
1:15:46
I mean, I mean, for real, they just be like, I'm not writing
1:15:49
the check, it's not worth my time because you aren't taking
1:15:52
this seriously. Yep.
1:15:54
Brian anything happened besides the Sunday Night, Football game
1:15:57
currently in a delay. I don't, that's good or bad for
1:16:00
me, but But, you know, dropping news on players injuries.
1:16:08
I don't see anything big man. We can talk a little bit about
1:16:11
pick them before we wrap things up here.
1:16:13
Oh, you won't actually he's bringing it up, folks.
1:16:16
I'm bringing it up because I'm gonna go ahead and get up there.
1:16:19
I was awful and games that we pick different teams.
1:16:22
I had a weekend man. 7 + 3 7 and 3 M 4 games above 500.
1:16:31
Let me look here. The the one that got me was
1:16:35
Michigan, that got both of us though.
1:16:37
That was a three-point win. I'm still shocked that you took
1:16:42
Auburn. I mean that was the one that was
1:16:46
the one. If you ask me, the Penn State
1:16:48
one that was a coin flip. You had Whoever thought you were
1:16:51
going to win the game but the orange I thought ago, was going
1:16:55
to finally struggle a little bit in a game on offense.
1:17:03
To the point where their defense wasn't able to really put the
1:17:05
game away, I thought I was going to stay close enough, I was
1:17:10
wrong. Yeah, I was wrong.
1:17:15
We're on this week goes, what are you in for Dan 6?
1:17:19
Yeah, yeah, 14 16. Yeah, hey, but you know what?
1:17:23
We got to do? Georgia Tech game, right?
1:17:26
We finally got it right by this much.
1:17:30
Yeah, she was narrow. Georgia Tech finally didn't bite
1:17:36
me in the ass. Well done, Georgia Tech, Barely
1:17:42
There, Lee Georgia Tech barely gets us.
1:17:47
So, you know, you know, we got a week ahead with Pittman.
1:17:53
Some people are already saying we're definitely going to beat
1:17:55
them. If you do that blindly I mean
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the only thing you're going off with that is history.
1:18:03
Yeah and of how of how pain has historically played in Lane
1:18:07
Stadium. That's about the only thing that
1:18:09
gives me confidence about that game.
1:18:12
It's true. All right.
1:18:15
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