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Ep. 936: What Would Terry Drury Do? · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on
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Speaker 2: the show, I am running Terry Drury through our what
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Speaker 2: would you do? Gauntlet, in which I will be asking
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Speaker 2: him to share with me exactly how he would handle
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Speaker 2: a series of different hypothetical, challenging hunting scenarios and circumstances.
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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to the Wired to Hunt podcast,
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Speaker 2: what would you Do series, in which, as I just described,
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Speaker 2: we run a series of different hunting experts through a
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Speaker 2: whole bunch of different really challenging or tricky or confusing
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Speaker 2: hunting circumstances or scenarios to see how they would handle them,
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Speaker 2: what their thought process would be, how they would go
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Speaker 2: about making their decisions, how they would go about tackling
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Speaker 2: this tough deal. And our guest today is one of
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Speaker 2: the best of all time, Terry Drury, of Drury Outdoors.
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Speaker 2: Terry's been in the show many times before. He's a
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Speaker 2: great friend of the show, really good guy, terrific deer hunter,
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Speaker 2: but someone who has not yet been on the What
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Speaker 2: would You Do? Series? So he joined me today to
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Speaker 2: talk through a bunch of things that are mostly pertaining
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Speaker 2: to hunting. You know, private land or lightly pressured ground
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Speaker 2: or managed ground. We talk a little bit about some habitat,
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Speaker 2: but mostly it's patterning deer. Mostly it's you know, timing
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Speaker 2: your hunts, planning your hunts, you know, dealing with certain
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Speaker 2: circumstances when you're on standing you see a deer do this,
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Speaker 2: or you have a hunter on a neighboring property doing that.
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Speaker 2: A bunch of different questions along those lines, stuff that's
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Speaker 2: been super relevant to me when I'm hunting some of
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Speaker 2: my private permission places, like I've got an eighty acre
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Speaker 2: piece I have permission on, I've got another twenty acre
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Speaker 2: piece I've got permissioned on. I hunt another forty. So
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Speaker 2: a lot of the questions that I asked are scenarios
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Speaker 2: that would be relevant to me on a twenty or forty,
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Speaker 2: but Terry could also have relevance to it on a
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Speaker 2: one hundred acres or a four hundred acres, or whatever
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Speaker 2: your search situation might be. I think you'll be able
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Speaker 2: to take some of the things we learn here today
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Speaker 2: through Terry's stories and Terry's kind of thought process for
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Speaker 2: all of this and apply it to your own hunting situation.
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Speaker 2: So that's the plan. That's we're going to get to
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Speaker 2: here today. It's a great episode, it's a fun episode.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to belabor the point I think we
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Speaker 2: should get right to it. I will just give you
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Speaker 2: how about we just get to the episode today. It's
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Speaker 2: a good one. Like I said, please enjoy my chat
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Speaker 2: for this what would you do Gauntlet with mister Terry
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Speaker 2: Drewy all right joining me again in the show is
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Speaker 2: mister Terry Drewy. Welcome back, Terry, Thank you. How are
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Speaker 2: things really good? I'm at that phase of the year.
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Speaker 3: I imagine you're.
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Speaker 2: Like you're like me in this case where I have
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Speaker 2: two things rising in parallel. One is that steady excitement
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Speaker 2: and anticipation of the season arriving very soon. But then
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Speaker 2: right in line with that is my panic about all
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Speaker 2: the things I need to get done before the season
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Speaker 2: gets here.
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Speaker 3: That couldn't have been any better said, That's exactly what
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Speaker 3: we're doing right now. I know the season is going
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Speaker 3: to be long and it's somewhat arduous, so we're trying
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Speaker 3: to wind down and get all those things out of
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Speaker 3: the way that we know we're not going to have
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Speaker 3: time for once it starts September fifteenth in Missouri, our
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Speaker 3: archery season. So from that date forward till January fifteenth,
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Speaker 3: it's a grind and everything else gets put on hold,
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Speaker 3: if you.
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Speaker 2: Will, yes, yes, so yeah, So that all being said, Terry,
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Speaker 2: I want to be respectful of your time and the
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Speaker 2: fact that you've got a lot going on. So today
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Speaker 2: we're just going to jump right into the main event, which,
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Speaker 2: as you know, as we talked about beforehand, is this
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Speaker 2: kind of what we call the what would you do? Gauntlet?
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Speaker 2: And I ran your brother through this a couple of
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Speaker 2: years ago, and I thought it would be interesting to
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Speaker 2: give you most of the same questions. So if folks wanted,
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Speaker 2: they can go back and listen to the episode with
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Speaker 2: Mark and then listen to the episode with you and
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Speaker 2: see how the two of you might do things the
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Speaker 2: same are different, So that might be a little interesting
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Speaker 2: side project for people to do. Some of the questions
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Speaker 2: are different, so they're not all gonna line up.
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Speaker 3: For what it's worth, his scenarios are always right, just
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Speaker 3: so you know he's He's always right no matter what.
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Speaker 2: I know. People like that, So so yeah, it might
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Speaker 2: be interesting to see that this first question is a
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Speaker 2: little bit different than one that I gave Mark. So
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Speaker 2: you've got a you've got open runway on this one
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Speaker 2: with nothing to compare against. But here's here's the scenario.
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Speaker 2: Tare Imagine that you just picked up a forty acre property,
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Speaker 2: and it's a square forty acres unimproved raw. It's mostly tillable,
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Speaker 2: with just two small fingers of cover extending out into
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Speaker 2: your forty acre field. Okay. The neighboring property, though, has
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Speaker 2: got a lot of cover, a lot of good things
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Speaker 2: going for it, and you imagine that that's probably where
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Speaker 2: a lot of these deer bedded. You have picked this
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Speaker 2: property up though, in late August, so you only have
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Speaker 2: a handful let's say, two weeks in August and two
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Speaker 2: weeks in September until your September fifteenth opening day there
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Speaker 2: in Missouri, So you've got one month. What would you
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Speaker 2: do in this four week window that we have before
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Speaker 2: the season opens to try to improve your chances of
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Speaker 2: getting a mature buck to come to your side of
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Speaker 2: the line and spend a little bit of time there
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Speaker 2: and imagine you know, yeah, I'll leave with that. What
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Speaker 2: would you do in this four weeks to try to
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Speaker 2: improve your scenario?
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Speaker 4: So is this forty acres of tillable?
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Speaker 3: Is it in the Midwest where it would be planted
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Speaker 3: in either corner beans by chance?
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Speaker 2: Yes, so I'll say it's a Missouri and yes, it's
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Speaker 2: going to be corner beans right now, now.
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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, if that's the case. If it is corn,
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Speaker 3: it automatically gives you a veil an apron that you
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Speaker 3: can slip into your spot undetected. And the first thing
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Speaker 3: I do, obviously is called the farmer. And you know,
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Speaker 3: if you're if if you if he has the piece,
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Speaker 3: it's the same farmer that's actually farming the tillable, then
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Speaker 3: you obviously you want to make you want to make
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Speaker 3: contact with him and find out if you can purchase
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Speaker 3: some of that standing crop. Whether it be beans or corn,
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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. Corn gives you that veil or that
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Speaker 3: apron where you can slip in there without going detected.
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Speaker 4: You know, you've got the wall of cover.
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Speaker 3: I'd really be careful on wind direction, you know, depending
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Speaker 3: on how that forty acre lays, and then how those
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Speaker 3: two little bitty you know, patches a timber extend out
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Speaker 3: into that I'm assuming that's a ditch or some type
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Speaker 3: of revetment that's carrying the water. You know, they can't
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Speaker 3: plant it, obviously, but it's not uncommon for deer to
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Speaker 3: bed in there, even though the neighbor may have all
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Speaker 3: that betting if the food is right there, depending on
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Speaker 3: morning or evening. You know, you'd really really want to
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Speaker 3: be careful about sliding in there. I would use the
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Speaker 3: carn and if he would let you, if he would
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Speaker 3: let you take out one row, we do what we
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Speaker 3: call a guest row, where you can slide in and
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Speaker 3: around those corn fields without making any noise.
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Speaker 4: If he'll let you take one row of carn.
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Speaker 3: Out where you can slide in there without touching any
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Speaker 3: of the leaves which out without making any noise, and
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Speaker 3: get into a spot, I would place a blind out
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Speaker 3: in the middle of that field. Whether it be corn
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Speaker 3: or beans. Carn gives you a little more cover. Beans
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Speaker 3: will still do the same thing, and it's not uncommon
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Speaker 3: for deer to be bedded in the beans. When you
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Speaker 3: start getting to that latter part of the season, the
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Speaker 3: carn is turning, so they may or may not be
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Speaker 3: in there. Beans would still be green, so they could
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Speaker 3: be in there. So there's a little bit of a
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Speaker 3: different scenario between corn and beans, obviously, But I would
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Speaker 3: do whatever I could about buying a standing crop so
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Speaker 3: that once he comes in and he harvests the rest
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Speaker 3: of the carn or the rest of the beans, I'd
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Speaker 3: make dog unsure that I had my blind place, so
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Speaker 3: that depending on what the prevailing wind is for that
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Speaker 3: particular spot and how it lays. You know, you want
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Speaker 3: to be able to slide in there, you know, either
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Speaker 3: in a cover of darkness, which then you've got to
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Speaker 3: worry about sometimes bumping deer off the field if it's
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Speaker 3: already been harvested. But I would make sure that I
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Speaker 3: had a blind place over that food that I purchased.
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Speaker 3: I'd try and get a half acre or maybe an
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Speaker 3: acre if he would be willing to sell it. And
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Speaker 3: sometimes if it's tucked along the edge of the timber,
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Speaker 3: it's not that great anyway, meaning there's been a lot
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Speaker 3: of browse pressure. You know, the roots from the tree
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Speaker 3: line will suck some of that moisture out. So it's
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Speaker 3: always a little bit suspect as far as you know
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Speaker 3: what type of crop you're going to be buying. But
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Speaker 3: oftentimes they'll sell that crummy crop in lieu of their
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Speaker 3: best standing corner, their best standing beans. But that'd be
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Speaker 3: the first thing I do, is buy a standing crop,
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Speaker 3: and I would try and make sure that I could
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Speaker 3: slide in there and until he harvests. Now, once you
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Speaker 3: harvest that carn, then you're going to have an open
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Speaker 3: field behind you, so you'd be able to access it readily.
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Speaker 3: Same way with the beans. Once he harvests the beans,
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Speaker 3: you got an open field, you're gonna be able to
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Speaker 3: access readily. But that'd be that would be what I
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Speaker 3: would do, And i would sit it of a of
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Speaker 3: a morning with a setting moon and maybe catch them.
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Speaker 3: And I'm going to say setting moon where it might
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Speaker 3: be setting at eight a thirty nine, nine thirty. I'd
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Speaker 3: go in there at four or four thirty in the
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Speaker 3: morning and try and catch them nibbling just a little
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Speaker 3: bit before that moon sets and they go back to bed.
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Speaker 3: Would not be uncommon to see embedded in those ditches
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Speaker 3: that you talked about, those little bit of revetments. Beans
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Speaker 3: might be a little bit different there. I would want
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Speaker 3: a rising moon in the afternoon and evening, especially if
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Speaker 3: they're still green, right before they start to defoliate, so
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Speaker 3: you'd want to get in there early. But i'd want
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Speaker 3: to see when that moon is coming up in the
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Speaker 3: afternoon and evening at three, three alreaty four o'clock, I'd
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Speaker 3: want to be sitting there and try and catch them
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Speaker 3: coming in to get a little bit of a bite
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Speaker 3: on those green soy beans, so carn I'd be there
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Speaker 3: in the mornings.
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Speaker 4: Beans, I'd probably be there in the evening.
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Speaker 2: Now, what if I threw one more curveball in here
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Speaker 2: for you? And this might be a good thing in
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Speaker 2: your mind, this might be a bad thing. But let's
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Speaker 2: say that this place that you purchased was not already planted.
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Speaker 2: They left a fellow, so the previous owner did not
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Speaker 2: plant this year. So now when you pick up this farm,
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Speaker 2: now it's just a forty acre field of overgrown weeds.
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Speaker 2: How is your answer different.
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Speaker 3: Substantially, but with the same frame of mind, I would
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Speaker 3: use all that overgrown cover as a bedroom.
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Speaker 4: I probably wouldn't do a lot with that.
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Speaker 3: I would maybe tuck some food plots, and I would
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Speaker 3: probably go with a green food source, either biologic radishes
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Speaker 3: or winter bulbs and sugar beets. I would try and
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Speaker 3: tuck it close to the timber. I would probably go
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Speaker 3: a little bit bigger rather than the corn and beans.
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Speaker 3: I would maybe go with an acre and a half
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Speaker 3: or two acres, something almost like a destination field, but
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Speaker 3: not quite, to try and suck more deer out out
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Speaker 3: of the neighbors cover that you were talking about, but
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Speaker 3: I would not be surprised that if you wouldn't be
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Speaker 3: holding several deer. If he left it follow and it
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Speaker 3: was grown up, I would expect to see a few
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Speaker 3: deer bedded out in there. And in the mornings that
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Speaker 3: could be a robber room, an absolute playground where you'd
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Speaker 3: want to where you'd maybe want to stay off of
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Speaker 3: that food a little bit and use it as an
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Speaker 3: observation spot. I would probably do a little bit of
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Speaker 3: observation first and watch where they're coming out, how they're
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Speaker 3: getting to and from. But they I could see them,
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Speaker 3: particularly during the rut in the first ten days of November,
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Speaker 3: I could see them running all over that standing field.
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Speaker 3: I would be tickled to death to have that scenario
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Speaker 3: in all reality. And then in the evenings i'd hunt
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Speaker 3: those green food sources a little bit closer to the timber.
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Speaker 2: Sounds like you've got this is no challenge at all
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Speaker 2: for you, Terry. This is an easy, wonderful scenario. Sounds
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Speaker 2: like in your view, I love it. Well.
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Speaker 4: I guess you mess up enough, you're bound to learn something.
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Speaker 3: Over the years, we've screwed up every scenario possible.
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Speaker 2: Right there with you, Okay, I want to pivot a
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Speaker 2: little bit, Terry. Let's let's put you back home on
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Speaker 2: one of your your main you know farms, the owner lease,
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Speaker 2: and imagine that you have a buck this year that
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Speaker 2: is truly top top tier for you. This is a
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Speaker 2: buck that would be, you know, right up in the
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Speaker 2: category of like the biggest year you've ever got to hunt.
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Speaker 2: So you're very excited about him, and you've done all
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Speaker 2: the all the homework leading up to opening day, got
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Speaker 2: your cameras, You've got your property laid out just perfect,
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Speaker 2: You've you've dotted your eyes and crossed your t's. You
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Speaker 2: have photos of him leading up to opening day. Let's
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Speaker 2: say maybe three out of six days he daylights leading
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Speaker 2: up to opening day. So things are looking very good.
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Speaker 2: But when you look at your five day forecast, the
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Speaker 2: first couple days of the season are very hot. Let's
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Speaker 2: say eighty degrees your first two to three days of
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Speaker 2: the season. What do you do. Do you hunt the
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Speaker 2: first couple of days regardless of that heat because all
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Speaker 2: the history of the last couple of days have been
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Speaker 2: so good, or are you going to wait and do
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Speaker 2: something different? What are you doing that scenariotire?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you just painted a picture of a deer that
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Speaker 3: we killed a couple of years ago, almost identical to
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Speaker 3: what you're saying. And because of his rack and because
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Speaker 3: of the close proximity to some public roads, some county roads,
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Speaker 3: I literally piled in after him and hunted the devil
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Speaker 3: out of him.
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Speaker 4: I really did. And that's something we rarely do.
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Speaker 3: Mark and I are really really weird about not over
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Speaker 3: hunting a spot because every time you go into that
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Speaker 3: spot and you and you have to leave the spot,
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Speaker 3: almost departures works worse than entrance because the deer on
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Speaker 3: the field and you got to clear the field, You've
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Speaker 3: laid down a cent trail. YadA, YadA, YadA. So we
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Speaker 3: absolutely hate over hunting a spot. But when you get
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Speaker 3: a record book type deer or the biggest deer you
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Speaker 3: ever have an opportunity at harvesting, you change your tactics
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Speaker 3: just a little bit. And there are several people in
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Speaker 3: the outdoor industry that have killed giants, and those guys
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Speaker 3: have one common denominator.
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Speaker 4: They're all pretty aggressive.
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Speaker 3: You know, they mash in Stan Potts, Jay Gregory, Mark Drury,
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Speaker 3: Lee Lakowski. You know those guys have been don Kisk.
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Speaker 3: Those guys have been killing giants for thirty years. And
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Speaker 3: that common denominator is they know when to mash in
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Speaker 3: and when not to. But they all mash in, they
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Speaker 3: all get in on them, and they.
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Speaker 4: Get them dead.
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Speaker 3: So I would get pretty aggressive, and I did that
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Speaker 3: with this particular deer. I hunted a spot over and
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Speaker 3: over and over. It was eighty five or ninety degrees.
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Speaker 3: We were inside of a blind because this is where
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Speaker 3: we were getting his picture.
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Speaker 4: It was hot.
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Speaker 3: It was a little bitty tiny water hole, and this
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Speaker 3: blind is not far from the water hole, and we
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Speaker 3: went the extra mile. We left the windows closed, so
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Speaker 3: it's one hundred and forty degrees inside this thing. We're
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Speaker 3: sweating like no tomorrow. We took a cooler with ice
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Speaker 3: in it and took some fans to try and pull
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Speaker 3: a little bit of cool air out of there, which
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Speaker 3: didn't work at all. It might have lowered the temperature
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Speaker 3: maybe two degrees. So we were literally miserable every day.
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Speaker 3: But we hunted him for eleven or twelve days, almost religiously,
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Speaker 3: out of that same spot.
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Speaker 4: And we just don't do that, we never do that.
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Speaker 3: But I mashed in there because we kept getting pictures
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Speaker 3: of him, and said if we continue playing this cat
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Speaker 3: and mouse game, We're going to get an opportunity. He
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Speaker 3: was such that we had one encounter with him in
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Speaker 3: eighty five or nine ninety yards, saw him another evening
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Speaker 3: at you out there at a distance.
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Speaker 4: So we were in the roundhouse.
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Speaker 3: We were close, but I mashed in and stayed in
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Speaker 3: on him and we finally killed him. And we just
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Speaker 3: normally don't do that. I'm one of those guys that
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Speaker 3: usually sits back and studies. I'll study him and go, Okay,
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Speaker 3: he's slipped up here, he's slipped up there.
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Speaker 4: Here's where I can kill him.
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Speaker 3: But we knew where he was going every day for
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Speaker 3: the most part because of our camera information. We were
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Speaker 3: using stealth cams. We were using one of those revolvers.
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Speaker 3: We had it in the middle of the water hole,
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Speaker 3: so we were getting pictures of him around all edges
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Speaker 3: and all that stuff of the water. And we said,
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Speaker 3: if we continue going back to this spot, we're going
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Speaker 3: to get a chance. And we did, and that's how
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Speaker 3: we killed him.
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Speaker 2: Wow, what about this kind of makes me think of
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Speaker 2: another scenarre with a buck like this. Imagine that you
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Speaker 2: have a buck that you know made it through the
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Speaker 2: past season. You get a picture or two of him
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Speaker 2: throughout the summer that makes you realize, oh, yeah, he
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Speaker 2: made the big jump. He's going to be that kind
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Speaker 2: of deer that really I want to put all my
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Speaker 2: chips in on. But it's incredibly infrequent. He went from
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Speaker 2: being a homebody. In the past, let's say two three years,
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Speaker 2: you've seen this buck go from three to four to
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Speaker 2: five or four to five to six, whatever it is,
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Speaker 2: and he's always been all over your place. But this
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Speaker 2: year in the summer different than every other year. Now,
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Speaker 2: it's just like a couple signs of life. But then
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Speaker 2: ghost tone. What do you do leading into opening day? Different?
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Speaker 2: With that being the case, do you scramble things? Do
18:29
Speaker 2: you change camera positions? Do you put on a full
18:32
Speaker 2: blown offensive to find out where he is now? Or
18:35
Speaker 2: are you still still going to hang back and wait
18:37
Speaker 2: for opening day expecting him to come back to some
18:41
Speaker 2: sense of normalcy.
18:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, that scenario is substantially different than the last one.
18:47
Speaker 3: That this one would be we would be studying this
18:51
Speaker 3: chess match is a lot different, and we really really
18:55
Speaker 3: live and die by our camera information. So I would
18:59
Speaker 3: go back last year's information, the year before that, and
19:03
Speaker 3: maybe the year before that and find out where he
19:06
Speaker 3: was at on October twenty seventh or October twenty eighth,
19:09
Speaker 3: wherever those pictures popped up, whatever date they were, whether
19:13
Speaker 3: it be November the eighth, you know, November seventeenth, you know.
19:17
Speaker 3: And I would bank on going to that spot on
19:21
Speaker 3: that day if I had the right wind, or I
19:24
Speaker 3: would be in a close proximity, or I would hang
19:26
Speaker 3: another set so that I could get in that roundhouse.
19:29
Speaker 3: But I would be exactly one year later or two
19:32
Speaker 3: years later, I would be in the exact same spot
19:34
Speaker 3: where he was two years ago or the previous year.
19:38
Speaker 4: And we've We've killed a lot of deer doing that.
19:40
Speaker 3: I swear there are creatures a habit and you can't
19:43
Speaker 3: believe that they even show up, but within a day
19:46
Speaker 3: or so, they oftentimes will revisit that spot. So lack
19:50
Speaker 3: of information is difficult. But if you've got a history
19:55
Speaker 3: with him, then you're still in the game.
19:57
Speaker 4: You still have a chance.
20:05
Speaker 2: So I've found myself in that scenario too, and I've
20:08
Speaker 2: gone that same route you just described, where I've tried
20:12
Speaker 2: to lean on historical patterns what he did the previous
20:15
Speaker 2: year or the year before that. But what I have
20:17
Speaker 2: found for the circumstances that then like turn me into
20:21
Speaker 2: another bow is when the weather and wind conditions don't
20:26
Speaker 2: match up with what he did. So I'm sitting there
20:29
Speaker 2: trying to weigh Okay, what matters more the date on
20:31
Speaker 2: the calendar the fact that last year and the year
20:33
Speaker 2: before that he was very active from October twentieth to
20:36
Speaker 2: twenty third. Okay, so that should tell me I should
20:38
Speaker 2: be hunting him hard on October twentieth to twenty third.
20:41
Speaker 2: But what if this year on that window, I have
20:45
Speaker 2: really warm credit temperatures or I have like a funky
20:48
Speaker 2: wind that we usually never have in that scenario, what's
20:52
Speaker 2: more important to you that date on the calendar, looking
20:54
Speaker 2: at the historical trend or the subpower weather conditions.
20:59
Speaker 3: Well, that's a coin toss, it really is, because typically
21:02
Speaker 3: Mark and I live and die by wind, and if
21:06
Speaker 3: we don't have the right wind, we just won't go
21:08
Speaker 3: to a spot. Now, if we have a blind like
21:11
Speaker 3: a hawk or a muddy that you can close it
21:13
Speaker 3: up tight, you know, and we'll go in there. We'll
21:15
Speaker 3: put extra extra seal around the door and extra seals
21:19
Speaker 3: around the windows.
21:21
Speaker 4: And you know, we'll tighten them up.
21:23
Speaker 3: But because if he's been there a year in advance,
21:27
Speaker 3: there's a really good chance you may get an eyeball
21:29
Speaker 3: on him and seeing that year later. But the last
21:32
Speaker 3: thing you want to do is bump him out of there,
21:34
Speaker 3: so you you know, the wind particularly access if you
21:38
Speaker 3: kind of got an idea where he's betting just a
21:40
Speaker 3: little bit of an inkling, then you really got to
21:43
Speaker 3: be careful about getting in there and not bumping him
21:45
Speaker 3: out before you even get to your set, you know,
21:48
Speaker 3: or your spot tree standard be tough. You know, if
21:51
Speaker 3: you've got hot weather conditions and wind is wrong, you know,
21:54
Speaker 3: then you're stuck out there and your scent might be
21:57
Speaker 3: you know it depending on the thermals or what the
21:59
Speaker 3: ten are doing, but temperaures thermost might be dropping down
22:02
Speaker 3: to where he's bedded. So you know, that's a that's
22:06
Speaker 3: a tough scenario. But we we typically live or die
22:09
Speaker 3: by the wind, and I'd say we probably wait and
22:13
Speaker 3: go a little later in the season when when the
22:16
Speaker 3: conditions were right. We would probably say and I know
22:19
Speaker 3: Mark would say, no, I'm not going to do that.
22:22
Speaker 3: I'm not going to bump him and screw him up.
22:23
Speaker 3: I'll wait for another opportunity. And unless we have a
22:27
Speaker 3: blind in the right spot and we can close it up.
22:29
Speaker 3: Mark does that all the time, where they lock in
22:31
Speaker 3: there and it's one hundred and forty degrees inside, they're
22:34
Speaker 3: sweating like you know, no tomorrow. So I've seen him
22:38
Speaker 3: do that too, depends how big the deer is.
22:42
Speaker 2: You guys have really specialized, I think in a certain
22:47
Speaker 2: way with making decisions around timing, you know, with with
22:50
Speaker 2: determining whether now is the time to mash in or
22:52
Speaker 2: if now's the time to hang back and be a
22:54
Speaker 2: little bit careful. So I want to run a couple
22:57
Speaker 2: mid October scenarios past you. I feel like from the
23:00
Speaker 2: outset looking in, you guys have historically been very conservative
23:03
Speaker 2: with that October lull mid October timeframe, but maybe in
23:07
Speaker 2: more recent years a little bit more aggressive in certain scenarios.
23:10
Speaker 2: So I want to toss two out there and see
23:12
Speaker 2: what your thoughts would be. Number One, imagine it's mid October,
23:17
Speaker 2: we'll say October fifteenth, and it is a great moon
23:21
Speaker 2: for an evening hunt, but mild weather, warmish, mild weather
23:26
Speaker 2: kind of subpar on that front. How would you approach
23:31
Speaker 2: that hunt? How good of a stand would you hunt?
23:33
Speaker 2: What's your what's your plan for that scenario? And for
23:37
Speaker 2: people who maybe aren't familiar, could you also give us
23:39
Speaker 2: a brief explanation of how you look at the moon
23:42
Speaker 2: and what means a good moon versus a bad moon.
23:46
Speaker 3: Well, that that scenario, we've hunted that, you know, a
23:49
Speaker 3: gazillion times that that perfect moon and have been you know, stemy,
23:55
Speaker 3: you know, and not have not seen what we expected
23:58
Speaker 3: to see because of the weather can do that you
24:00
Speaker 3: just described. But in conversely, we've also seen giants that
24:06
Speaker 3: get up on their feet even though it might be
24:08
Speaker 3: eighty degrees and you're going, why are they out there?
24:12
Speaker 3: You can't understand why they're in the middle of a
24:14
Speaker 3: green beanfield or why they're out on a cloverfield and
24:16
Speaker 3: it's eighty five degrees and.
24:17
Speaker 4: The flies they're all you know around them and all
24:19
Speaker 4: that jazz.
24:20
Speaker 3: So there's a chance that you may see or kill
24:23
Speaker 3: that the biggest year of your life if the moon
24:26
Speaker 3: is right. And what do I mean when we're talking
24:28
Speaker 3: about the correct moon that you're referring to When it
24:30
Speaker 3: is rising in the afternoon and the moon's dislike the sun,
24:36
Speaker 3: it rises in the east sets in the west, but
24:38
Speaker 3: when it's rising in the afternoon and it coincides with
24:42
Speaker 3: their normal feeding pattern. And I like to say that
24:46
Speaker 3: if it's coming up about two or two thirty in
24:49
Speaker 3: the afternoon, so that by four o'clock, you know, the
24:52
Speaker 3: moon is already up in the sky. And I prefer
24:56
Speaker 3: a waxing moon, where it's waxing full in lieu of
24:59
Speaker 3: wane in little waning to where it's going to go
25:02
Speaker 3: into dark of the moon. Dark of the moon for
25:04
Speaker 3: us is dreadful. Full moon for us is money, always
25:08
Speaker 3: has been, always will be. And I'm going to guess
25:10
Speaker 3: at about eighty five to eighty seven percent of all
25:15
Speaker 3: the bucks we've ever killed historically are in and around
25:18
Speaker 3: the full moon, you know, within a number of days
25:21
Speaker 3: waxing or waning. And that's data, that information is correct.
25:26
Speaker 3: We watch it each and every year. How many of
25:28
Speaker 3: them get killed in and around the full moon. Dark
25:30
Speaker 3: of the moon is usually pretty bad for us, really
25:33
Speaker 3: really poor. Is it the style that we hunt? Maybe,
25:36
Speaker 3: you know, because we may not be in their bedroom
25:38
Speaker 3: or something. A lot of times we're out on that
25:40
Speaker 3: food source where they've got to get up on their
25:42
Speaker 3: feet and they come to it. So I'm not saying
25:44
Speaker 3: that you can't kill one dark of the moon, because
25:46
Speaker 3: you certainly can, and we've done it, but we've just
25:48
Speaker 3: had better success on waxing full moon or a waning
25:52
Speaker 3: full moon. So I would love to see October fifteenth
25:56
Speaker 3: a waxing waxing full within a day or two, rising
26:00
Speaker 3: about two in the afternoon or two thirty, and even
26:02
Speaker 3: though it's eighty or eighty five degrees, I'd probably still
26:06
Speaker 3: hunt it, and I would try and get it on
26:07
Speaker 3: a correct wind. You know, if I'm hunting a tree stand,
26:10
Speaker 3: I want to be in a correct wind. If I'm
26:11
Speaker 3: in a blind we're going to keep it closed up,
26:14
Speaker 3: completely shut, and then sit over that food source with
26:17
Speaker 3: the windows shut. A bad moon a little bit different
26:21
Speaker 3: if it's if it's a waning moon or going to
26:24
Speaker 3: dark of the moon, but it's still rising, because it
26:26
Speaker 3: can still be rising at two or two thirty in
26:28
Speaker 3: the afternoon, but it's a dark of the moon or
26:30
Speaker 3: waning I probably would not I probably would not go
26:34
Speaker 3: sit that food source.
26:36
Speaker 4: I would wait. I would wait till I have the
26:38
Speaker 4: correct moon.
26:39
Speaker 2: So so to the first scenario, so so good moon,
26:43
Speaker 2: bad weather, and let's imagine we have like four tiers
26:49
Speaker 2: of stands of ambush locations. A tier you know maybe
26:52
Speaker 2: if it's still numbers tier one, two, three, four. So
26:55
Speaker 2: tier one is our absolute best spots for that particular
26:58
Speaker 2: day and wind and on down. With that scenario, good moon,
27:02
Speaker 2: bad weather, what tier location would you be picking with
27:05
Speaker 2: that set of circumstances.
27:08
Speaker 3: I had picked two or three, I probably would not
27:11
Speaker 3: go to my best spot, not yet, not until I
27:14
Speaker 3: knew if that if you had given me the conditions
27:17
Speaker 3: where the wind or the temperature was maybe ten degrees
27:20
Speaker 3: below average, I'd have.
27:21
Speaker 4: Been at number one.
27:22
Speaker 3: I'd have been in my number one spot, but with
27:24
Speaker 3: it being twenty or thirty degrees above average, yeah, maybe
27:28
Speaker 3: even three or four.
27:29
Speaker 2: You know, let's flip flop it. So let's say lousy moon,
27:34
Speaker 2: but slamming cold front, just the cold front of cold
27:38
Speaker 2: fronts on October fifteenth, but the moon is dead wrong.
27:42
Speaker 2: What's your thought process? What do you do in this scenario?
27:45
Speaker 2: And then give me your tear.
27:48
Speaker 4: There too.
27:48
Speaker 3: I would probably switch up on the tier a little bit,
27:52
Speaker 3: but you know, those those cold fronts, Mark and I
27:55
Speaker 3: live and die by it. We always say the temperature
27:57
Speaker 3: Trump's moon, and it does if you get the temperatures
28:01
Speaker 3: and their ten or fifteen degrees below normal, and you've
28:04
Speaker 3: got a major northwest coming in or a northeaster coming in.
28:07
Speaker 3: Then I would I would set a food source and
28:10
Speaker 3: I would hunt it. But because we're getting to be
28:14
Speaker 3: such big babies, i'd be in a blind, I'd have
28:17
Speaker 3: the window shut. We'd be comfortable. I wouldn't have to
28:19
Speaker 3: worry about sweat running down my back, so you know,
28:23
Speaker 3: we'd still be on a food source even though it's
28:26
Speaker 3: a crappy moon with the temperatures, because temperatures do trump moon.
28:31
Speaker 2: Did you make a point to try to want to
28:34
Speaker 2: hunt more from a tree stand last year or the
28:36
Speaker 2: year before, Yes, I did.
28:38
Speaker 3: I did, and we get such feedback market that people said,
28:43
Speaker 3: you're getting away from your roots and the way you
28:45
Speaker 3: used to do it and all that. And I absolutely
28:47
Speaker 3: love hunting out a tree stand, always have, always will.
28:50
Speaker 4: So we did do that, and I hunted it. I
28:52
Speaker 4: had a pretty good deer.
28:54
Speaker 3: Hunted him forty seven or forty eight days out of
28:57
Speaker 3: a tree, and I'll be damned, we went to a
29:00
Speaker 3: blind one night. I killed him the first night I
29:02
Speaker 3: sat there, no joke, killed him the first evening We
29:05
Speaker 3: sat there, which tells you number one, that the blinds
29:08
Speaker 3: are in the right spots. You know, we've got him
29:10
Speaker 3: in the right spots, and the deer creatures a habit,
29:13
Speaker 3: we kind of know where they're going to go. But
29:15
Speaker 3: I intentionally hunted tree stands trying to kill him, and
29:18
Speaker 3: I should have had him dead. I had him one morning,
29:21
Speaker 3: which I love hunting mornings, and that's my perfect scenario
29:24
Speaker 3: is hunting the morning, crystal clear twenty twenty five degrees
29:28
Speaker 3: thermost going up a setting moon, and I had him
29:31
Speaker 3: at twenty five yards and didn't get him dead. I
29:34
Speaker 3: was on the wrong side of the tree, or he
29:36
Speaker 3: was however you want to look at it. He was
29:37
Speaker 3: wide open for the camera guy and he could have
29:40
Speaker 3: killed him ten times over. But make a long story, shark,
29:44
Speaker 3: I should have killed him that morning.
29:45
Speaker 2: And didn't, Heartbreaker, But you did. You did get it
29:48
Speaker 2: done later, So.
29:49
Speaker 3: I did get it done. Yeah, the first night I
29:51
Speaker 3: sat a blind the very first night we sat it
29:54
Speaker 3: line and killed him.
29:55
Speaker 2: It was It was funny though, because I saw that
29:57
Speaker 2: that episode and I noticed I was like, what feels different.
30:01
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, wow, it's it's because there's all
30:02
Speaker 2: these tree stand shots and it was great. It was
30:05
Speaker 2: great to see you in the woods. It was great
30:06
Speaker 2: to see in the tempera.
30:07
Speaker 3: I love that and we're going to do it again
30:09
Speaker 3: this year.
30:09
Speaker 4: Yeah. Forrest and I are both big tree stand guys.
30:12
Speaker 3: I love. As matter of fact, it's a hell a
30:15
Speaker 3: lot easier to kill a deer out of a tree than.
30:17
Speaker 4: It is out of a blind.
30:18
Speaker 3: All these windows, right, they can say anything they want to,
30:22
Speaker 3: but what can go wrong will go wrong. When you're
30:24
Speaker 3: hunting out of a blind. It's like having a straight
30:26
Speaker 3: jacket on. Now with a gun or a crossbow, yeah,
30:29
Speaker 3: that's a little bit different. But boy, when you're hunting,
30:31
Speaker 3: hunting with a bow ar tree tackle, I'm telling you,
30:34
Speaker 3: it's not easy.
30:35
Speaker 4: So I would much rather hunt out a tree.
30:38
Speaker 2: It's just it feels claustrophobic in those blinds. Sometimes when
30:40
Speaker 2: you're in a stand and you can just look around
30:42
Speaker 2: and you see everything, that's that freedom is pretty nice.
30:46
Speaker 3: That range of motion, you know, being able to swing
30:49
Speaker 3: is just oh yeah, you know, I call it into
30:51
Speaker 3: your hand and away from your hand. Forrest is right handed,
30:54
Speaker 3: I'm left handed, Mark's right handed, Matt's right handed.
30:57
Speaker 4: So we set our sets differently.
30:59
Speaker 3: For a lefty than we do righty and bull riders
31:01
Speaker 3: talk about it all the time, into your hand or
31:03
Speaker 3: away from your hand. If you're going into your hand,
31:05
Speaker 3: I can swing right almost completely behind me, but I
31:09
Speaker 3: can't swing left, and vice versa. For a right hander,
31:13
Speaker 3: there's just the opposite. So we we hang our sets
31:16
Speaker 3: with that in mind, so that we can go into
31:18
Speaker 3: our hand, meaning I could I can turn this on
31:21
Speaker 3: the stand, yeah you know, and shoot that way. But
31:23
Speaker 3: I can also turn this way and literally almost shoot
31:26
Speaker 3: behind you. So we set them accordingly for that, depending
31:29
Speaker 3: on the trail or the food plot or whatever we're
31:31
Speaker 3: setting over.
31:32
Speaker 2: Makes sense, all right, This is a little bit of
31:35
Speaker 2: a shift away from what we've been talking about, but
31:38
Speaker 2: maybe not entirely, because this is in addition to moon
31:43
Speaker 2: and temperature, you guys have broken up. Actually, all of
31:46
Speaker 2: these things are all in line with your themes now
31:48
Speaker 2: that I think about it. You you've talked about the
31:50
Speaker 2: different phases of the season, right, and you guys have
31:54
Speaker 2: done a great job teaching a lot of folks about
31:56
Speaker 2: how the season might be broken up into these micro chunks.
31:59
Speaker 3: Right.
31:59
Speaker 2: You talked about your thirteen different phases. Let's consider a
32:04
Speaker 2: scenario in which your expected phases possibly get scrambled. So
32:10
Speaker 2: let's imagine you're out on a hunt. We'll say, let's
32:14
Speaker 2: say that your brother invites you to hunt up in Iowa.
32:16
Speaker 2: And yeah, and it's somewhere between October fifteenth and October
32:22
Speaker 2: twenty first, okay, okay, and you're sitting on stand and
32:28
Speaker 2: this is an evening hunt, and you see a dough
32:32
Speaker 2: just getting dogged by bucks. And it's not just the
32:35
Speaker 2: year and a half old bucks like you see a
32:37
Speaker 2: year and a half old like they do in two
32:38
Speaker 2: year old. But then you see a legit, you know,
32:40
Speaker 2: five year old on his feet really getting after it,
32:43
Speaker 2: chasing this dough. So we'll say, over the course of
32:46
Speaker 2: an hour and a half, you see five different bucks
32:48
Speaker 2: come following that trail, and one of them was like
32:51
Speaker 2: a four or five year old type buck. But it's
32:54
Speaker 2: October sixteenth or seventeenth or eighteenth in this scenario, what
33:00
Speaker 2: do you do? Do you hunt like it's October fifteenth
33:03
Speaker 2: or seventeenth or eighteenth like you typically would, or is
33:06
Speaker 2: your scenario? Is your strategy going to change because of
33:09
Speaker 2: this early running type indication that you're seeing.
33:14
Speaker 4: Well, historically, each and every year, October yields some really
33:21
Speaker 4: really big deer, and it's not uncommon for I think
33:26
Speaker 4: a dough or two, depending on the moon phase, to
33:30
Speaker 4: come into Estras a little bit early. And if she's
33:32
Speaker 4: got four or five different bucks that might be sniffing
33:35
Speaker 4: around or pushing around, nudging her around, there is a
33:38
Speaker 4: chance that she might pop early and come into Estras.
33:42
Speaker 4: So I would probably go back and hunt that. I'd
33:45
Speaker 4: hunt that scenario pretty hard.
33:47
Speaker 3: If I saw her and it looked like she was
33:49
Speaker 3: getting ready to come in, I would probably hunt that
33:52
Speaker 3: and hunt that and hunt that pretty aggressively. Because each
33:55
Speaker 3: and every year you see these guys killing these one
33:57
Speaker 3: eighties and one nineties, and you go.
33:59
Speaker 4: Damn, how do they do that? Well, that can happen
34:02
Speaker 4: that scenario.
34:02
Speaker 3: We've seen it happen in years past, where dough it
34:04
Speaker 3: just takes one and sometimes that first available Estras dough
34:09
Speaker 3: will always have a giant they sniff them out before
34:12
Speaker 3: all the young bucks do. Now, there's a big difference
34:15
Speaker 3: between a year and a half nudging her and two
34:17
Speaker 3: year old nudging her, because the bucks are always ready.
34:20
Speaker 3: The moment they drop that velvet, they're ready to go.
34:23
Speaker 3: The difference is the does are not, so you kind
34:26
Speaker 3: of got a look at the moon phase. When did
34:27
Speaker 3: it wax full? It's not uncommon if it waxes in
34:31
Speaker 3: and around the tent, you know, then seven to ten
34:34
Speaker 3: days after that first waxing full, there'll be some does
34:37
Speaker 3: that pop. It's just not a lot, but it's a few.
34:41
Speaker 3: But when it does, boy, it creates a frenzy around them.
34:43
Speaker 3: So I would hunt that pretty hard.
34:45
Speaker 2: And would you just go right back to that same
34:47
Speaker 2: place that you saw them, or would you hunt in
34:51
Speaker 2: some different spot knowing what you know in some other.
34:54
Speaker 3: Way that time of the year, she's not traveling real far.
34:59
Speaker 3: My guess is she's a bed to food is probably
35:01
Speaker 3: fairly close there. Usually there's a mass crop in and
35:05
Speaker 3: around that time of year, which screws everything up because
35:07
Speaker 3: they're all over in the timber. But let's say, for example,
35:10
Speaker 3: that you have a terrible mass crop that year and
35:13
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you know, either the soybeans or
35:16
Speaker 3: a green food source, whether it be clover or you know,
35:19
Speaker 3: biologic radishes, winter bulb of sugar beets, And if she's
35:22
Speaker 3: on that pretty heavy, I'd go right back to that
35:25
Speaker 3: spot where she's frequenting, you know, and try and catch
35:27
Speaker 3: her coming back to food.
35:28
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. Okay, let's go advance the calendar ten days
35:32
Speaker 2: or so. Let's say it's October twenty eighth, and you're
35:36
Speaker 2: hunting your main farm, one of your main farms, where
35:40
Speaker 2: you have a just a really dialed setup. You've got
35:42
Speaker 2: your food plot architecture, you've got either a stand or
35:46
Speaker 2: a B line set up just so on this inside
35:49
Speaker 2: corner maybe, and you've got a fake scrape tree out there,
35:53
Speaker 2: and everything's dialed really nicely for this location. You're sitting
35:58
Speaker 2: there hunting and you see three different bucks out of range,
36:04
Speaker 2: all doing basically the same thing. So we'll say they're
36:09
Speaker 2: ninety five yards from you, but they all go passing
36:12
Speaker 2: through this other you know, this other corner off in
36:15
Speaker 2: the distance. Three bucks all doing the same thing. One
36:19
Speaker 2: of them is a four year old. Let's say, what
36:22
Speaker 2: do you do based on that intel? Do you stick
36:25
Speaker 2: it out where you're at because it's so well built
36:27
Speaker 2: and you believe that you know things are going to
36:30
Speaker 2: go your way eventually and they're going to come your way,
36:32
Speaker 2: or would you say there's something going on over there,
36:34
Speaker 2: I need to, you know, make a move, make a change, adjust.
36:40
Speaker 4: I would I'd stay where I'm at.
36:42
Speaker 3: I'd hold pat because we've had such history with ours,
36:46
Speaker 3: particularly if it's on one of our main farms, We've
36:48
Speaker 3: had such history with those spots, and you know at
36:52
Speaker 3: that at that time, if even if it is a
36:54
Speaker 3: four year old, let's say it's a five year old
36:55
Speaker 3: that walk through there, I probably wouldn't adjust. I'd stay
36:58
Speaker 3: where I'm at, and on the fact that we're going
37:01
Speaker 3: to catch a maturityer going if it's an inside corner
37:04
Speaker 3: or an outside corner, or a fringe, you know, let's
37:07
Speaker 3: say it's corn to beans or corn to green, green
37:09
Speaker 3: to grain, I would probably stay there and just say
37:12
Speaker 3: historically we've had too good luck here, We're not going
37:14
Speaker 3: to change.
37:16
Speaker 2: Is your answer different if this is not one of
37:18
Speaker 2: your main farms, and instead this is a new farm,
37:21
Speaker 2: this is a new place you picked up, it's the lease,
37:24
Speaker 2: first year hunting it. You still have a really good
37:26
Speaker 2: dialed spot you think you're in, but you don't have
37:28
Speaker 2: years and years worth of worth of intel. Does that
37:31
Speaker 2: change things or no.
37:33
Speaker 3: That does change things because we've been in the wrong
37:36
Speaker 3: spot a lot, So then I might mash in or
37:41
Speaker 3: I might wait until I saw enough traffic there, enough
37:44
Speaker 3: history there, and then I would probably make the move.
37:47
Speaker 3: But I probably wouldn't do it on just one one
37:50
Speaker 3: case or one scenario. I would look at it, maybe
37:52
Speaker 3: an entire season and maybe two seasons before I finally
37:55
Speaker 3: made the move. And that's you know, there's a lot
37:58
Speaker 3: of guys that are pretty agressive that would mashed in
38:00
Speaker 3: day one and killed a deer there. I'm a little
38:02
Speaker 3: bit different. I'll stay back and watch and watch and
38:05
Speaker 3: watch and study and log it all away, and then
38:08
Speaker 3: when I make the move, I know it's the right move.
38:10
Speaker 3: So I may wait two seasons. And we've done that. Hell,
38:13
Speaker 3: we've had farms where we've moved stuff three years later,
38:16
Speaker 3: four years later and said, you know what, we should
38:18
Speaker 3: have done this two years ago.
38:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been there too. All Right, I'm gonna throw
38:25
Speaker 2: out a snare that's close to home because it's one
38:28
Speaker 2: that happened to me recently, and I'm curious how you
38:30
Speaker 2: would tackle this one. Let's say your main hunting spot
38:34
Speaker 2: had two legit shooter bucks that you had multiple years
38:40
Speaker 2: of history, three years of history of both of these bucks,
38:43
Speaker 2: but they are the only two bucks you were interested
38:45
Speaker 2: in shooting, and they have been, you know, all through summer,
38:50
Speaker 2: very consistent. You're seeing them over and over. Like I said,
38:53
Speaker 2: you have three years of past history. Both of these
38:55
Speaker 2: bucks have been homebodies. Okay, season opens and they disappear.
39:02
Speaker 2: You get sign of life pictures of one of them twice,
39:07
Speaker 2: once in late October, once in early November. But that's it.
39:12
Speaker 2: So you know months of the season. More than a
39:15
Speaker 2: month of the season has gone by. Now mostly they
39:18
Speaker 2: have disappeared, but you have this glimmer of hope that
39:21
Speaker 2: they might be alive because you've gotten these couple little
39:23
Speaker 2: random dots. I guess it's sort of similar to the
39:26
Speaker 2: first question I asked you about summer bucks. But how
39:29
Speaker 2: would you tackle this scenario in which it feels like
39:32
Speaker 2: at times you are hunting an animal that might not
39:36
Speaker 2: even exist anymore, But at other times you're thinking, well,
39:40
Speaker 2: any day now, because he's still out there somewhere. What happened?
39:43
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened? So many question marks? What
39:46
Speaker 2: do you do with that circumstance?
39:49
Speaker 4: Did you have history with him the previous year.
39:52
Speaker 2: Three years of history with them being homebodies in season,
39:55
Speaker 2: so they are all during the season. Okay, but this
39:58
Speaker 2: year they go disappear.
40:00
Speaker 3: Pile in on the one that you the one that
40:02
Speaker 3: showed back up. You know, if you've got history with
40:05
Speaker 3: him and you've had some camera camera information, particularly that
40:08
Speaker 3: camera data, boy, I would I would try and really
40:12
Speaker 3: really mash in on him. He's there, he might just
40:15
Speaker 3: be moving, you know, very very small circle. If he's
40:17
Speaker 3: gotten a little bit older, his you know, his home
40:20
Speaker 3: core might have got just shrunk down a little bit.
40:22
Speaker 3: But I would mash in on him at that point. Yeah,
40:26
Speaker 3: particularly that time of year, because all it takes is
40:29
Speaker 3: just one one moment in time. If you if you
40:32
Speaker 3: kind of had an idea where he was betting, that
40:34
Speaker 3: would help, yeah, so that you're not putting your wind
40:36
Speaker 3: out over the top of him, you know.
40:39
Speaker 4: But I would, I'd get pretty aggressive with him.
40:41
Speaker 2: At what point do you ever pull the plug on
40:44
Speaker 2: a dear and like.
40:45
Speaker 3: Just totally find out the find Yeah.
40:49
Speaker 2: Some of my question though, is like a situation where you,
40:52
Speaker 2: let's say you never get that proof of life picture
40:55
Speaker 2: where he's always been there and now they're gone, Like
40:58
Speaker 2: how long does it take you to not see a
41:00
Speaker 2: buck to be like, okay, he must be dead because
41:03
Speaker 2: I always find myself battling with this one.
41:06
Speaker 4: That happens to us more often than not.
41:10
Speaker 3: I can't tell you how many deer have disappeared and
41:13
Speaker 3: we don't know. Did coyotes drag him down, did a
41:15
Speaker 3: neighbor kill him? Do they get poached? Do they just
41:17
Speaker 3: travel five miles seven miles away? Did another deer run
41:21
Speaker 3: them out? Push them out? You know those four year olds.
41:23
Speaker 3: If you've got a lot of four year olds on
41:24
Speaker 3: your farm, or even three year olds for that matter,
41:26
Speaker 3: they'll push deer out.
41:28
Speaker 4: So that happens very very often.
41:31
Speaker 3: And years ago I would give them a little more time.
41:37
Speaker 3: But now, because of all the cameras that we run
41:40
Speaker 3: and the camera information, if you don't have him one season,
41:43
Speaker 3: or he falls off one season, and then you don't
41:46
Speaker 3: have him the next, I as much as write them
41:49
Speaker 3: off and say they're just they're not coming back.
41:51
Speaker 4: They're just not Now.
41:53
Speaker 3: It's not uncommon for all of a sudden them to
41:56
Speaker 3: pop up somewhere out of the clear blue sky. But
41:59
Speaker 3: that's a rare that's a rare event for them to
42:01
Speaker 3: show up at age nine or ten or something. It
42:05
Speaker 3: just rarely happens. Depending on the side of the parcel
42:08
Speaker 3: you're hunting. You know, let's say it's one hundred acres,
42:11
Speaker 3: you know, a pretty good chance a neighbor shot him,
42:13
Speaker 3: or maybe even four or five neighbors over and you
42:16
Speaker 3: don't get to hear about it. That's that's pretty typical.
42:19
Speaker 3: But I anymore, I give up on him a little,
42:23
Speaker 3: a little quicker than I used to. I always had
42:25
Speaker 3: that hope, But we had a giant deer that disappeared
42:28
Speaker 3: on us. And still that one hurt. Still don't know
42:31
Speaker 3: what happened to him, Never hurt him dead, never found him, walked, walked,
42:35
Speaker 3: walked trying to find him, you know, never found him,
42:37
Speaker 3: and he just disappeared. I still don't know what happened
42:40
Speaker 3: to him. He was a giant, giant, big, big so
42:43
Speaker 3: but you got it at some point, And and my
42:45
Speaker 3: farm manager and I talk about it all the time
42:47
Speaker 3: we go. You know, we'd sure like to know what
42:49
Speaker 3: happened to him. You just want to know what happened.
42:51
Speaker 3: Did did somebody kill him, did they get hit on
42:54
Speaker 3: the road, did he get poached?
42:55
Speaker 4: Even if he got poached, I'd at least.
42:57
Speaker 3: Like to know what happened to him.
42:58
Speaker 2: Just yeah, yeah, with the with the deer I was mentioning.
43:09
Speaker 2: In my scenario, I kept on holding on hope and
43:12
Speaker 2: like thinking, like, all right, it's just you know, the
43:14
Speaker 2: cameras aren't telling me the whole story. So he historically
43:17
Speaker 2: he's been in here. So I kind of did what
43:18
Speaker 2: you said, I was mashing. I kept on, you know,
43:20
Speaker 2: hunting his historic time frames and pushed into like where
43:23
Speaker 2: he would be at, where the dough should be, and
43:26
Speaker 2: and just never never showed back up. And one of
43:29
Speaker 2: the two I ended up finding out did get killed.
43:31
Speaker 2: So I have confirmation that one got killed first week
43:34
Speaker 2: of the season, so that explains why he disappeared off
43:36
Speaker 2: the map. But the second buck, I still have no idea.
43:39
Speaker 2: No neighbors have told me what happened. Uh so I
43:43
Speaker 2: don't know. Probably probably dead, but who knows.
43:48
Speaker 3: Well, it's gut ranching because you just don't know. So
43:50
Speaker 3: there's always there. You do, always hold out that hope,
43:53
Speaker 3: but at some point you go, well, I got to
43:55
Speaker 3: move on.
43:56
Speaker 4: I just gotta I gotta, I gotta re you know.
43:58
Speaker 3: Reevaluate and and concentrate on another deer or another area
44:02
Speaker 3: or something.
44:02
Speaker 4: How big a parcel was that mark?
44:04
Speaker 2: This is eighty five acres Yeah.
44:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no telling how far he roamed or who
44:10
Speaker 3: might have got him.
44:11
Speaker 4: Yeah. Hard, hard to hard to manage eighty five.
44:15
Speaker 3: You got to be really, really really careful on eighty
44:19
Speaker 3: five so that you don't we Mark and I talk
44:21
Speaker 3: about it all the time about king of intrusion. There's
44:24
Speaker 3: a lot of guys that intrude and run the deer
44:26
Speaker 3: out that they're hunting, and then you know they say, well,
44:28
Speaker 3: deer cast was incorrect or this was wrong. Well, sure,
44:31
Speaker 3: you just got to be those those smaller tracks. You
44:35
Speaker 3: have to be extremely extremely careful. They're very sensitive and
44:40
Speaker 3: in and out and you better have a really really
44:43
Speaker 3: good access in and access out so you don't do
44:45
Speaker 3: much damage.
44:45
Speaker 4: That's hard, That's hard.
44:47
Speaker 3: It's a tough that's a tough hunt, especially on a
44:49
Speaker 3: big dude, because you know, you want to go in
44:50
Speaker 3: there and you want to pile in on him, and uh,
44:53
Speaker 3: you know, wind may not always be right for you.
44:55
Speaker 2: Just walking on eggshells. Yeah. So here's here's kind of
45:01
Speaker 2: the flip side, which is, rather than having a deer
45:04
Speaker 2: that you have not seen and are wondering where he is,
45:07
Speaker 2: let's imagine a scenario where you have a buck that
45:09
Speaker 2: you've been seeing all over the place. You've been playing
45:11
Speaker 2: cat and mouse with them all October. I'm going to
45:15
Speaker 2: put you back at home in Missouri. Now take it back.
45:18
Speaker 2: Let's imagine you're on Do you still have a lease
45:20
Speaker 2: in Illinois?
45:22
Speaker 3: Yes, you just painted a scenario that we had a
45:24
Speaker 3: deer exactly like that.
45:26
Speaker 2: Okay, So imagine we're on the farm and he's been
45:31
Speaker 2: shown up on camera. You've had some sightings. You've been
45:33
Speaker 2: bouncing back and forth cat and mouse, like he's there,
45:36
Speaker 2: you're almost there, you're here, he's just back where you were,
45:39
Speaker 2: back and forth, back and forth. But you've been using
45:41
Speaker 2: recent intel, you've been using past history with him to
45:45
Speaker 2: try to kill him on a bed to feed pattern
45:47
Speaker 2: early in the season. And then it gets into late
45:49
Speaker 2: October and you're still tightening into like those zones near
45:53
Speaker 2: his bedding areas, let's say, hypothetically and food of course.
45:56
Speaker 2: But now November arrives, and there's some part of November,
46:01
Speaker 2: whether it's November one or the fourth, or everybody says
46:04
Speaker 2: something different, but that you pick the date when in
46:08
Speaker 2: your mind things switch and all of a sudden, like
46:12
Speaker 2: the rut is on. Do you how do you change
46:16
Speaker 2: your strategy even though you're still after this one buck.
46:19
Speaker 2: At what point do you switch from like hunting that
46:21
Speaker 2: buck to hunting the doze, or to hunting a standard
46:25
Speaker 2: rut feeding or sorry, a rut, you know, funnel location
46:28
Speaker 2: or something like that. What do you do in that?
46:30
Speaker 2: I guess what I'm trying to say is what do
46:31
Speaker 2: you do when the cat and mouse game switches from
46:34
Speaker 2: the standard October cat and mouse to the rut?
46:38
Speaker 4: Which is a great scenario.
46:39
Speaker 3: You just painted a really really good scenario for a
46:42
Speaker 3: a lot of hunters, and concentrating or putting your efforts
46:47
Speaker 3: on where the does are going to be is pretty
46:49
Speaker 3: important at that time of the year. Illinois usually pops
46:54
Speaker 3: and I'm going to say like a light switch event
46:56
Speaker 3: the week prior to their firearm season when they're fire
47:00
Speaker 3: season kicks in that week or ten days prior to that,
47:04
Speaker 3: and you may sit there for two or three days
47:05
Speaker 3: and not see squat and then all of a sudden,
47:08
Speaker 3: it's a light switch event and there's bucks just going
47:10
Speaker 3: all over the place. So you first and foremost, you
47:13
Speaker 3: gotta hunt it daily just to make sure that you
47:15
Speaker 3: catch it. And we had a buck exactly like what
47:19
Speaker 3: you described had picture after picture after picture hunting him
47:23
Speaker 3: three or four years Forrest ended up killing.
47:27
Speaker 4: It was during muzzle order season.
47:28
Speaker 3: It wasn't during this period that you're talking about, but
47:30
Speaker 3: my god, he drove.
47:31
Speaker 4: Us absolutely insane.
47:33
Speaker 3: We had conversation after conversation after conversation with one buck
47:38
Speaker 3: in mine. We put all of our eggs in that basket,
47:41
Speaker 3: and we just could not catch up with him.
47:43
Speaker 4: He was he was big.
47:45
Speaker 3: He ended up scoring I think one eighty seven or something.
47:48
Speaker 3: But we literally he would We would track our cameras
47:52
Speaker 3: the next day or that night early morning at four
47:55
Speaker 3: thirty four o'clock, we'd be up looking. He'd go two
47:57
Speaker 3: and a half miles and hit seven or eight cameras
48:00
Speaker 3: in one night, Helen, in four or five hours. He
48:03
Speaker 3: was just he was on his horse and constantly moving,
48:06
Speaker 3: and no matter where we sat, we were always in
48:09
Speaker 3: the wrong spot.
48:09
Speaker 4: Always we we.
48:10
Speaker 3: Would be here, he'd be there. We'd be there, he'd
48:13
Speaker 3: be here. It was just the scenario you painted, and
48:15
Speaker 3: we could not catch up with him. And then finally
48:18
Speaker 3: one morning we had a really really cold, frosty morning
48:23
Speaker 3: with a moon that was hanging in the sky. It
48:25
Speaker 3: wasn't setting yet, and I went on a gut and
48:28
Speaker 3: we had some we had purchased some soybeans from the farmer,
48:31
Speaker 3: and I said, let's let's go to those. Let's go
48:33
Speaker 3: to those beans. We had just gotten his picture the
48:36
Speaker 3: night before. I said, let's go back. Let's slip in
48:39
Speaker 3: there early and maybe we'll get an eyeball on him.
48:41
Speaker 3: And lo and behold, we did. We finally got to
48:43
Speaker 3: catch up with him. He nibbled around on some beans,
48:46
Speaker 3: but the does were there, to your point, there were
48:49
Speaker 3: seven eight nine does that were on this field, the
48:51
Speaker 3: eating and you know, nibbling on these beans. But we
48:54
Speaker 3: had that moon still in the sky, it hadn't set yet,
48:56
Speaker 3: had a cold, frosty morning, and they were nibbling just
48:59
Speaker 3: a little bit before they went back to bed. And
49:01
Speaker 3: that's what the moon will do for you when it's
49:04
Speaker 3: the right moon. It holds them up there just a
49:06
Speaker 3: little bit longer before they go back to bed, because
49:09
Speaker 3: oftentimes you look at your cameras five am, five point fifteen,
49:12
Speaker 3: five twenty five point thirty, they're head into bed. Well,
49:14
Speaker 3: when a moon's right and we've got cold temperatures, the
49:17
Speaker 3: scenario was just perfect, and we just happen to make
49:20
Speaker 3: the right gut call that morning.
49:22
Speaker 4: But that scenario you just describe is one of the toughest.
49:26
Speaker 4: It really is.
49:27
Speaker 3: But concentrating on dose is really a good way to
49:30
Speaker 3: play that game because you're going to go where they go,
49:33
Speaker 3: and there's still gonna be some bucks nudging around that
49:36
Speaker 3: period in November. So I would not be afraid to
49:39
Speaker 3: set a food source of a morning with the moon
49:42
Speaker 3: hanging in the sky.
49:43
Speaker 2: Okay, imagine this same situation, the same buck here after
49:48
Speaker 2: you keep on chasing them around, but you're being smart
49:50
Speaker 2: about it. We get to the night before gun season,
49:54
Speaker 2: the day before gun season, when you might think, or
49:57
Speaker 2: at least when I look at when gun season opens
49:59
Speaker 2: here in Michigan, at least I I look at that
50:00
Speaker 2: as like a light switch event where everything's going to change.
50:03
Speaker 2: I've always thought that last day before the gun season
50:06
Speaker 2: is like different kind of day. What do you do
50:09
Speaker 2: on that day before gun season when you're still trying
50:12
Speaker 2: to kill that one buck you've been after all year
50:13
Speaker 2: and hasn't happened yet. What do you do on that day?
50:16
Speaker 2: And what's different if anything?
50:18
Speaker 3: Well, believe it or not, because firearm season is opening
50:21
Speaker 3: and it is a reshuffling of the deck, if you will.
50:24
Speaker 3: Once those once the Orange Army comes out, everything's off
50:28
Speaker 3: the table. It all goes out the door, or all
50:30
Speaker 3: that studying and chess match and all that changes. But
50:34
Speaker 3: you know, we're to the point now we're fearful of
50:37
Speaker 3: running or pushing a deer out, so we may lay
50:40
Speaker 3: back and not hunting. You know, if we got intel
50:44
Speaker 3: on him and he's as a homeboy, rather than shove
50:46
Speaker 3: him out on the farm, we may lay back and
50:48
Speaker 3: just say hope, like hell, he stays, and we may
50:52
Speaker 3: pull the reins in a little bit on him and say,
50:54
Speaker 3: you know what, let's just stay out of that area
50:56
Speaker 3: and gamble. Maybe he'll stay here, you know, if there's
51:01
Speaker 3: enough you know, extracurricular activity going on on the borders,
51:04
Speaker 3: on the fence lines and all that jazz, maybe he'll
51:07
Speaker 3: he'll stay in here. So I'd probably like a dummy,
51:10
Speaker 3: I'd probably not not go hunting.
51:12
Speaker 4: I wouldn't go after him.
51:13
Speaker 2: What so is is that?
51:16
Speaker 3: Is that?
51:16
Speaker 2: Like is that the one day rule? Or is there
51:18
Speaker 2: a certain window before gun season when you're like, ah,
51:21
Speaker 2: we're gonna give it three days or two days, or
51:23
Speaker 2: like when do you start trying to preserve the sanctity
51:25
Speaker 2: of a sanctuary like that.
51:28
Speaker 3: Well, because they're moving quite a bit at that period,
51:31
Speaker 3: I would I'd probably limit that to maybe two days
51:34
Speaker 3: maybe you know where, I'd let him alone and hope,
51:36
Speaker 3: like hell, they stay. Yeah, we had a deer a
51:40
Speaker 3: couple of years ago this year, was a four and
51:42
Speaker 3: a half year old, one hundred and seventy nine inch
51:44
Speaker 3: four year old. The only reason I know the neighbor
51:47
Speaker 3: shot him an opening day of firearm season. Wow, And
51:49
Speaker 3: we were trying treating him with kit gloves. We were
51:53
Speaker 3: staying out of an area, hoping that he would stay
51:55
Speaker 3: on the farm. But he didn't. And the moment I
51:58
Speaker 3: heard the shot, the very moment, I go, well, he
52:00
Speaker 3: just killed him. It was yeah, one hundred and seventy
52:04
Speaker 3: nine inch four year old. We thought he might blow
52:06
Speaker 3: into a two hundred, you know.
52:07
Speaker 4: Thought. Yeah, so it happens us just like everybody else.
52:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sure does. Okay, here's another one that happens
52:14
Speaker 2: to everyone that none of us are happy about. It's
52:19
Speaker 2: November fifth, sixth and seventh, fifth is and seventh. Great days.
52:23
Speaker 2: We've been looking forward to them all year, except the
52:26
Speaker 2: forecast says seventy four seventy six seventy one warm days
52:33
Speaker 2: on our typically terrific days, what do you do.
52:39
Speaker 3: Drink? Yeah, it's dreadful, Mark, We've been through those period
52:46
Speaker 3: and it's absolutely dreadful.
52:47
Speaker 4: You're thinking you're going to see him.
52:49
Speaker 3: You wait, you hope, you pray, and you're sitting there,
52:51
Speaker 3: sitting there, and they just don't show up. They lay.
52:54
Speaker 3: All of that happens at night, you know, so much
52:56
Speaker 3: of it. When the weather and temperatures are blow average,
53:01
Speaker 3: it is exposed and you see it all. When the
53:03
Speaker 3: temperatures are ten fifteen degrees above average, it happens at night.
53:07
Speaker 3: They're moving slow or not moving at all, and all
53:11
Speaker 3: of that red activity that you're referring to is just
53:14
Speaker 3: it's it goes unnoticed because you're not able to see
53:16
Speaker 3: it. It happens at night. You see some on the cameras,
53:18
Speaker 3: but it's we still go out, you know, we may
53:22
Speaker 3: go out a little later or whatever, but we still
53:24
Speaker 3: go out. And it's usually first hour, at last hour
53:27
Speaker 3: when it's warm like that, particularly first hour in the mornings,
53:30
Speaker 3: if it's that warm, you might catch one going back
53:32
Speaker 3: to bed if the moon was right, you know.
53:34
Speaker 4: But man, I hate those I hate that scenario.
53:38
Speaker 2: Do you still hunt? You know, I feel like at
53:40
Speaker 2: least a lot of folks will look at those dates
53:42
Speaker 2: and say, oh, yes, time for like tier one locations.
53:46
Speaker 2: But do you still hunt tier one locations with those temperatures.
53:54
Speaker 4: But during those dates?
53:55
Speaker 3: Yes?
53:55
Speaker 4: Probably?
53:56
Speaker 3: Yeah. The bad part is you know you're doing damage
54:00
Speaker 3: one in and damage coming out. That's the part that
54:02
Speaker 3: just kills you. So you may only do it once
54:05
Speaker 3: or twice and then you're either gonna regret it or
54:08
Speaker 3: you're gonna be happy you did it. But chances are
54:11
Speaker 3: you're gonna regret it if temperaures are wrong. But you know,
54:13
Speaker 3: if you catch one first hour, then I would, you know,
54:16
Speaker 3: I go in in the dark and I would sit there,
54:18
Speaker 3: and you may catch one first.
54:19
Speaker 4: Hour, then you're happy you did it. But I'd probably.
54:22
Speaker 3: Hunt that Tier one on those days six, seven, eight, Yeah,
54:26
Speaker 3: I would.
54:26
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, here's here's a tricky one that kind
54:30
Speaker 2: of goes back to the snare we were talking about
54:32
Speaker 2: in Illinois where you've got this buck that's been quite visible,
54:35
Speaker 2: You've been hunting them all over, you know him well,
54:39
Speaker 2: but can't get him killed. You have a neighbor who
54:43
Speaker 2: you've got a good relationship with and you guys have
54:45
Speaker 2: open communication. He starts texting you and telling you like, hey,
54:50
Speaker 2: I saw that buck. I got pictures of that buck,
54:53
Speaker 2: saw him again, got pictures of him again. All of
54:55
Speaker 2: a sudden, he's seeing and getting sightings of that buck
54:58
Speaker 2: a bunch. Does that change how you haunt him at all?
55:01
Speaker 2: What do you do in that scenario?
55:04
Speaker 4: Yes, it does.
55:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we would. We'd creep I'll be honest, we
55:09
Speaker 3: should creep in a little.
55:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, we would.
55:12
Speaker 3: You know, if I've got to set on that particular
55:15
Speaker 3: area of the farm, depending on north, south east west,
55:18
Speaker 3: I would, yeah, we'd.
55:19
Speaker 4: We'd mash in a little bit further or closer.
55:21
Speaker 3: To wherever I had wherever I was set up, whether
55:25
Speaker 3: it be a tree stand or a blind, I would
55:27
Speaker 3: get just a little bit closer to that area because
55:30
Speaker 3: he more than likely is with a dough or on
55:32
Speaker 3: another dough at that period, and wherever that do is at,
55:36
Speaker 3: I'm going to try and get close to where I
55:37
Speaker 3: think she may show up, you know, either in a
55:40
Speaker 3: green food source or an acorn flat or some type
55:43
Speaker 3: of structure or bed.
55:45
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna get a little bit closer.
55:47
Speaker 3: You bet, if he's nice enough to let me know
55:51
Speaker 3: that I'm going to be nice enough to try and accommodate.
55:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now do you ever worry like if you know so?
55:58
Speaker 2: A slight variation on that, What if you know that
56:02
Speaker 2: you have a neighbor that's after the same buck you're after,
56:05
Speaker 2: so you know that there's competition for this buck and
56:10
Speaker 2: he's going to be getting pressured from elsewhere. So in
56:12
Speaker 2: those scenarios, I sometimes find myself wrestling with Okay, I
56:16
Speaker 2: should be more aggressive because this other guy's going to
56:19
Speaker 2: kill him if I don't, so I better swing for
56:20
Speaker 2: the fences. Or I should be more conservative because I'm
56:24
Speaker 2: gonna let that guy over pressure things and I will
56:27
Speaker 2: have I will be careful, and my place will be
56:29
Speaker 2: the safe place that buck ends up after he screws
56:31
Speaker 2: it up. What do you do when you know that
56:34
Speaker 2: situation is going on?
56:37
Speaker 3: And I've heard and seen that situation from Mark and
56:40
Speaker 3: Matt myself over and over and over again, and for
56:45
Speaker 3: the most part, we're going to probably be a little
56:49
Speaker 3: less intrusive generally speaking, we're going to try not to
56:53
Speaker 3: push the buck out of our area. But if that
56:56
Speaker 3: guy see anyone in the regular it depends on what
56:58
Speaker 3: kind of hunter he is too, is a good hunter,
57:00
Speaker 3: is he an average hunter? Or is he a poor hunter.
57:04
Speaker 3: If he's a poor hunter, we're gonna let him push
57:06
Speaker 3: the deer to us. If he's an average hunter, we're
57:07
Speaker 3: gonna still bank on letting him push the deer to us,
57:10
Speaker 3: because if this is a seven or eight year old deer,
57:13
Speaker 3: you know, he's he might have to be a pretty
57:14
Speaker 3: good hunter. If it's firearm season, it's one thing. But
57:17
Speaker 3: if he's trying to do it with a bow, then
57:19
Speaker 3: we're gonna go. You know what, We're gonna bank on
57:20
Speaker 3: the fact where we're gonna We're gonna see if the
57:23
Speaker 3: deer come to us.
57:24
Speaker 2: What about this one? What if your neighbor is world class,
57:30
Speaker 2: and your neighbor has just as good of habitat, just
57:33
Speaker 2: as good as food plots, just as many trail cameras,
57:36
Speaker 2: and is filming it all too, and you're both after
57:40
Speaker 2: a two hundred plus inch buck, How does that change
57:44
Speaker 2: things at all?
57:46
Speaker 3: Man? You just you just described Lee Lakowski, Stan Potts,
57:51
Speaker 3: Don Kiskey. Yeah, there's a pile of those guys out there,
57:55
Speaker 3: those really really good hunters. Yeah. Then then out of
58:03
Speaker 3: courtesy and respect, I'd probably I probably stay where we're
58:07
Speaker 3: at if it, you know, because what happens I see
58:10
Speaker 3: this time and time again. Everybody gets their turn, if
58:13
Speaker 3: you will. You know, one guy may kill one one year,
58:16
Speaker 3: one guy may kill a giant the next year, the
58:18
Speaker 3: following year. It kind of it kind of mother nature
58:20
Speaker 3: has a way of humbling you and equaling the playing field,
58:24
Speaker 3: if you will. And those guys are so good, those
58:26
Speaker 3: those few guys I just name, they're so good at
58:29
Speaker 3: it that I would probably be happy for those guys
58:32
Speaker 3: because we have all been we've all grown up together,
58:34
Speaker 3: We've all done it for so long, you know, thirty
58:37
Speaker 3: five forty years of doing this stuff. I'd love to
58:39
Speaker 3: see stan Potts kill a giant because he just he
58:42
Speaker 3: goes off into orbit like a rocket. So and we
58:46
Speaker 3: love Stanley a lot Lee. You know, we've been buddies
58:49
Speaker 3: with Lee and Tiff for a long time. You know,
58:51
Speaker 3: I love watching them kill big deer, So out of
58:54
Speaker 3: respect and out of courtesy, I'd say that we would probably,
58:58
Speaker 3: you know, say, you know what, we're gonna We're gonna
59:00
Speaker 3: play our game. You're gonna do your thing. Whoever you know,
59:03
Speaker 3: whoever kills it good for them.
59:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always wondered, I know of certain I know
59:09
Speaker 2: I know of this scenario in other places, and I've
59:12
Speaker 2: always wondered where, you know, is there a cat and
59:14
Speaker 2: mouse gang going on not only between the deer and
59:16
Speaker 2: the hunters, but also between the two other hunters, where
59:19
Speaker 2: you know, one guy's thinking, all right, well, I know
59:21
Speaker 2: they've got a lot of greens planted, so I'm going
59:23
Speaker 2: to plant more grains. Or I know that they've got
59:25
Speaker 2: you know, this thing going on, so I'm going to
59:27
Speaker 2: do the opposite, or I'm going to lean in, you know,
59:29
Speaker 2: or I know this person's tendencies are to do this
59:31
Speaker 2: kind of hunt, so I'm going to gear my property
59:33
Speaker 2: towards taking advantage of that. I've always wondered if that
59:36
Speaker 2: ever happens. Without divulging names of people I know like this,
59:41
Speaker 2: I've always been curious, Well.
59:44
Speaker 3: My my moral high bar might be higher than someone else's,
59:49
Speaker 3: let's say, but I have such utmost respect for those
59:52
Speaker 3: names that I mentioned that I would be happy for
59:56
Speaker 3: them if they killed a one eighty or one ninety.
59:58
Speaker 3: I really would. I love all to death, and I
1:00:01
Speaker 3: would hope they would be the same way with us,
1:00:03
Speaker 3: but not everybody's like that. You know, there are other
1:00:05
Speaker 3: people out there that may not feel the same way
1:00:08
Speaker 3: I do about that. But I have got a lot
1:00:10
Speaker 3: of respect for all of those people, all of everybody
1:00:13
Speaker 3: that's in the outdoor industry that tries to get it
1:00:16
Speaker 3: on camera, and you know, you're successful sometimes and unsuccessful
1:00:21
Speaker 3: more often than not.
1:00:22
Speaker 4: So I just have a really really high regard for
1:00:25
Speaker 4: everybody that does it.
1:00:26
Speaker 3: And I would bow out or not bow out, but
1:00:29
Speaker 3: I would hope that I could get the opportunity and
1:00:31
Speaker 3: be able to close the deal. The difference between a
1:00:33
Speaker 3: good season and a great season is killing what you
1:00:36
Speaker 3: shoot at. So that's about ninety nine percent of the
1:00:39
Speaker 3: battle too. But if someone else killed it, I'd be
1:00:41
Speaker 3: happy for him.
1:00:43
Speaker 2: Okay, Moving on November tenth, you're hunting out there on
1:00:47
Speaker 2: a favorite spot of yours and you see a shooter
1:00:50
Speaker 2: buck come in following a doll and they lock up
1:00:53
Speaker 2: at one hundred yards from your stand. There's two hours
1:00:56
Speaker 2: of daylight left, and this buck is locked on a
1:00:58
Speaker 2: dough at uh yeah, one hundred yards away. What do
1:01:02
Speaker 2: you what do you do in that scenario? And they're
1:01:06
Speaker 2: not moving like they're locked down not moving.
1:01:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, sit tight, and I would not change my set.
1:01:12
Speaker 3: I wouldn't change my strategy. I wouldn't change my plan
1:01:15
Speaker 3: because it's just as easy for him to bump her
1:01:18
Speaker 3: and nudge her, and all of a sudden she comes
1:01:20
Speaker 3: darting at you at twenty yards, So I would I'd
1:01:23
Speaker 3: hold pat right there.
1:01:25
Speaker 4: I wouldn't move.
1:01:25
Speaker 3: I'd i'd let the I'd let it play out. And
1:01:28
Speaker 3: if I didn't kill him one night, I'd be back
1:01:30
Speaker 3: there the next night. If he's locked onto her, I'd
1:01:32
Speaker 3: be back there. As a matter of fact, I might
1:01:33
Speaker 3: be back there. I'd be back somewhere else the next morning,
1:01:36
Speaker 3: close to the bedroom. If he's locked onto her, and
1:01:39
Speaker 3: if I didn't see him, then I'd go back to
1:01:41
Speaker 3: the same spot that evening. If she's coming to a
1:01:43
Speaker 3: clover field or biologic green food source or something, I'd
1:01:46
Speaker 3: be back there the same the next night, because she
1:01:49
Speaker 3: is just as apt to go right past your stand
1:01:51
Speaker 3: at twenty five yards.
1:01:53
Speaker 2: Will you let's let's uhl slight variation. Imagine that that
1:01:58
Speaker 2: buck is locked on the dome, but there's slowly moving
1:02:01
Speaker 2: towards the food but out of range. Okay, and will
1:02:04
Speaker 2: you throw a call out. Ever, will you try to
1:02:06
Speaker 2: do anything to influence that movement or are you gonna
1:02:09
Speaker 2: lay off and just hope that she brings him.
1:02:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, November the tenth, I'd probably tipic the antlers a
1:02:14
Speaker 3: little bit, maybe grun at him pretty aggressively, snortweeze or something,
1:02:18
Speaker 3: just to try and turn him. If he's if he's
1:02:23
Speaker 3: got an eyesight of her, if he's got a line
1:02:25
Speaker 3: of sight and he can see her, then he might
1:02:28
Speaker 3: try you. But if she's out of range or something,
1:02:31
Speaker 3: he's not gonna leave her. If he's locked on, you
1:02:33
Speaker 3: can throw all everything with the kitchen sink at him,
1:02:36
Speaker 3: chances are he won't leave her.
1:02:38
Speaker 4: There's something about them.
1:02:40
Speaker 3: Keeping keeping an eyeball on turkey, same way they got
1:02:42
Speaker 3: to have an eyeball on him. But if he's real,
1:02:45
Speaker 3: real mature, and he's real aggressive, then I would I
1:02:48
Speaker 3: would try him. I would see what kind of body
1:02:49
Speaker 3: posture he had. I'd tickle him first, and if he
1:02:52
Speaker 3: snaps around and he acts like he's gonna play the game, yeah,
1:02:55
Speaker 3: then I'd get a little more aggressive with him.
1:02:57
Speaker 2: Okay, another rutal. You're in a zone where it's it's
1:03:03
Speaker 2: obviously on fire and as you've seen, like the rut
1:03:05
Speaker 2: can be on in one place and dead in another. Right,
1:03:08
Speaker 2: it could be three hundred yards apart, and it could
1:03:10
Speaker 2: be a totally different experience. But let's say today you
1:03:12
Speaker 2: picked the spot and happen to be where it's at.
1:03:15
Speaker 2: There's a hot dough, there's some bucks running all over.
1:03:19
Speaker 2: But it's about ten am on November fourth. We'll say,
1:03:26
Speaker 2: in this rut, you know, just mania and your target
1:03:30
Speaker 2: buck comes down wind smells you, spooks out of there,
1:03:36
Speaker 2: but there's deer everywhere, it's on fire. Still, what do
1:03:41
Speaker 2: you do?
1:03:43
Speaker 3: I would sit tight on November fourth. I'd sit tight
1:03:46
Speaker 3: even though he he caught us and boogered on us
1:03:51
Speaker 3: there too, it's still that's a little early. But he
1:03:54
Speaker 3: could easily pick up a dough or a dough it's
1:03:57
Speaker 3: still dragging dragging by. If they're nudge and doze around,
1:04:00
Speaker 3: and there's bucks just going haywire in there, there's a
1:04:03
Speaker 3: really good chance that she could easily dog right past
1:04:06
Speaker 3: your spot, or any other dough could dog past your spot,
1:04:10
Speaker 3: and a buck being right behind her. So and November
1:04:13
Speaker 3: fourth is just a touch on the early side where
1:04:18
Speaker 3: they may not be an estress yet, which is the
1:04:19
Speaker 3: reason they're dogging the hell out of them. So then
1:04:23
Speaker 3: I definitely would stay where I'm at. I would stay pat.
1:04:26
Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's i'm thinking through here, how far I
1:04:33
Speaker 2: want to go into the future. Let's let's zoom to
1:04:35
Speaker 2: the end of the year. Let's say it's late season
1:04:39
Speaker 2: and you have had a dreadful spell of weather where
1:04:44
Speaker 2: you have been waiting for that cold front, that snow
1:04:48
Speaker 2: something to really get a crack at the buck that
1:04:50
Speaker 2: you've been after. But you can see the end of
1:04:53
Speaker 2: the season now in the fourteen day forecasts, and you
1:04:56
Speaker 2: can see that you will not get that weather pattern
1:05:00
Speaker 2: you've been hoping for before the end of the year.
1:05:02
Speaker 2: But you've been waiting to try to get your last
1:05:05
Speaker 2: chance at this big buck here after. Now that you
1:05:08
Speaker 2: know you will not get that wonderful set of weather
1:05:11
Speaker 2: conditions at least, how would you approach that last week
1:05:15
Speaker 2: or two of the late season knowing that you're not
1:05:18
Speaker 2: going to get that special set of circumstances.
1:05:22
Speaker 3: It's amazing because it sounds like you've been hunting with
1:05:25
Speaker 3: us scenario you just described. I can't tell you how
1:05:29
Speaker 3: many times that's happened. Where we're sitting over standing corn,
1:05:33
Speaker 3: standing beans, and then we got crappy weather and they're
1:05:37
Speaker 3: not coming to a food source. They just simply aren't
1:05:39
Speaker 3: eating it. So I still hunt it. I still go there.
1:05:43
Speaker 3: We hope that, you know, the food will suck them
1:05:45
Speaker 3: in there, and it's an attracting obviously that you know.
1:05:49
Speaker 3: But when it's a scenario like you just painted, where
1:05:52
Speaker 3: the weather's warm, there is no need to feed, and
1:05:56
Speaker 3: they'll wait until the weather does change to where they do.
1:05:59
Speaker 3: You know, they do finally get it in February or March,
1:06:01
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden they're all on food.
1:06:03
Speaker 3: But I'll still hunt it. We're still gonna go. We're
1:06:05
Speaker 3: gonna sit there, we're gonna have our head in our hands,
1:06:07
Speaker 3: we're gonna be pissed off, you know, and we'll be
1:06:10
Speaker 3: bitching about the weather.
1:06:12
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
1:06:12
Speaker 3: And but we're and then we go home and we're
1:06:15
Speaker 3: and we're gonna go.
1:06:15
Speaker 4: We never saw a thing.
1:06:16
Speaker 3: We didn't see it, dear, or we saw two doughs,
1:06:18
Speaker 3: or we saw a spike in a dough, and so
1:06:21
Speaker 3: I'm still gonna hunt it. But uh, that scenario is
1:06:25
Speaker 3: a bad one.
1:06:26
Speaker 2: And so you would still hunt the same kind of spots.
1:06:29
Speaker 2: You would not change the kinds of spots, correct.
1:06:33
Speaker 4: I would.
1:06:33
Speaker 3: Yeah. By then, you know, we're we're strictly concentrated on
1:06:36
Speaker 3: food pretty much. And I would stay concentrated on food
1:06:39
Speaker 3: because at that time they're still bedded close. You know,
1:06:43
Speaker 3: even though the weather's warm, they're still bedded nearby. It's
1:06:46
Speaker 3: food bed bed to feed. You know that that range
1:06:49
Speaker 3: shrinks that time of year. So I'd still hunt that
1:06:52
Speaker 3: food source. And you never know, I mean, they can
1:06:54
Speaker 3: always just stand up out of their bed. They come,
1:06:56
Speaker 3: nibble for a little while, and then go lay back down,
1:06:58
Speaker 3: So I would still sit that spot.
1:07:02
Speaker 2: Last set of questions rapid fire. So it's gonna be
1:07:05
Speaker 2: a either or answer. I'll give you two options and
1:07:07
Speaker 2: you pick. We're gonna go through this really quick, and
1:07:09
Speaker 2: then I've got one last tough scenario for you, and
1:07:15
Speaker 2: this will Yeah, We'll just we'll go with this. What
1:07:17
Speaker 2: matters more to deer movement? The moon or barometric pressure?
1:07:23
Speaker 4: Parametric pressure?
1:07:24
Speaker 2: Would you take a fifty yard shot at a white
1:07:26
Speaker 2: tail wave your bow? Yes?
1:07:28
Speaker 3: Or no? Not anymore? No?
1:07:31
Speaker 2: If you could only have one of these tools for
1:07:34
Speaker 2: the rest of your hunts, which would it be a
1:07:36
Speaker 2: set of rattling antlers or a grunt.
1:07:38
Speaker 4: Tube rattling antlers.
1:07:43
Speaker 2: If you had well, this one might be too easy
1:07:47
Speaker 2: for expandable or fixed play broadhead.
1:07:51
Speaker 4: Expandable.
1:07:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, should you stop? Yeah? That was gonna say very
1:07:55
Speaker 2: specific options. What you would choose Should you stop a
1:07:59
Speaker 2: buck with some kind of sound before shooting it? This
1:08:01
Speaker 2: is with a bow? Yes or no?
1:08:03
Speaker 4: Absolutely? Yes?
1:08:06
Speaker 2: Okay, I am in control of hunting privileges across the nation.
1:08:11
Speaker 2: Let's say hypothetically, and I'm going to take away your
1:08:15
Speaker 2: hunting license for any state in the country for the
1:08:18
Speaker 2: rest of your life unless you can kill a five
1:08:23
Speaker 2: year old buck this year. Okay, If you kill a
1:08:25
Speaker 2: five year a buck this year, you get to keep
1:08:27
Speaker 2: on hunting as always. If you don't, that's your last season.
1:08:31
Speaker 2: The hitch is that you only get one day to
1:08:33
Speaker 2: do it and one stand or blind location to do
1:08:37
Speaker 2: it from. I would like I'd like you to pick
1:08:40
Speaker 2: the date on the calendar that you choose for this hunt,
1:08:44
Speaker 2: and then I would like you to paint me a
1:08:45
Speaker 2: picture of the spot you would choose exactly. This could
1:08:49
Speaker 2: be a real life location that you think would give
1:08:50
Speaker 2: you the best chance, or you can just paint a hypothetical,
1:08:53
Speaker 2: but give me the best date to kill this five
1:08:56
Speaker 2: year old buck in a very high stake situation, and
1:08:58
Speaker 2: then exactly what a setup you would have.
1:09:03
Speaker 3: Well, that's that's a toughie. That's a tough question because
1:09:06
Speaker 3: we've got so many spots. But I'd go on camera
1:09:09
Speaker 3: information and our history from last year, and as we
1:09:12
Speaker 3: talked about earlier, we sat in tree stands over and
1:09:16
Speaker 3: over and over and over last year, and I had
1:09:18
Speaker 3: a five year old buck that was walking under us
1:09:21
Speaker 3: every morning, and we passed him every morning. I'd go
1:09:24
Speaker 3: back to that same spot. We call it it's logging
1:09:26
Speaker 3: road too. It's in the middle of my farm, smack
1:09:29
Speaker 3: dab in the center. It's a lot of white oaks
1:09:32
Speaker 3: in and around there. It'd be November the tenth. It
1:09:35
Speaker 3: would be twenty five degrees, you know, thirty point three
1:09:41
Speaker 3: four barometer thirty point three five and rising. I'd have
1:09:45
Speaker 3: a southwesterly wind eight to ten mile an hour.
1:09:53
Speaker 4: We'd get in there.
1:09:55
Speaker 3: Plenty early, and I would just lock in and sit there,
1:09:58
Speaker 3: and he's going to walk under and I'm gonna drill
1:10:00
Speaker 3: him in about seventeen yards.
1:10:02
Speaker 4: He's gonna die on camera.
1:10:03
Speaker 2: I love it, and then you can hunt the rest
1:10:05
Speaker 2: of your day as a happy man. I have faith, Terry.
1:10:09
Speaker 2: I do believe you would get it done. I do
1:10:12
Speaker 2: believe it.
1:10:12
Speaker 3: Fortunately, last year he was about one twenty. This year
1:10:16
Speaker 3: he's going to be about one to twenty five.
1:10:18
Speaker 2: Well, can't you can't eat can't eat antlers? You can
1:10:23
Speaker 2: eat age, I guess because you just there's some more
1:10:25
Speaker 2: meat on the bone. So there's always that.
1:10:29
Speaker 4: Well, and we like to try and give him a chance.
1:10:32
Speaker 3: If he's gonna blow, we think maybe he'll do it
1:10:34
Speaker 3: at six, or maybe he'll do it at seven, So
1:10:36
Speaker 3: we give him an opportunity. But if but if I'm
1:10:38
Speaker 3: going to lose a license or keep a lifetime license,
1:10:41
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go ahead and take him.
1:10:42
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm right there with you, Terry. What what can
1:10:45
Speaker 2: folks look forward to this coming season when it comes
1:10:48
Speaker 2: to what you guys have in the works. Is there
1:10:50
Speaker 2: any new projects, anything new with the deer Cast app
1:10:53
Speaker 2: anything that people should be keeping an eye o for.
1:10:57
Speaker 4: You know, deer Cast.
1:10:58
Speaker 3: Has been really a uh what would you call the
1:11:02
Speaker 3: labor of love. We have absolutely poured a heart and
1:11:05
Speaker 3: souls into it. We've got thirteen influencers in the algorithm
1:11:09
Speaker 3: that we feel like we've tweaked it and tweaked it
1:11:12
Speaker 3: and tweaked it to where it's pretty dog on accurate
1:11:14
Speaker 3: barring no outside intrusion. You know, somebody on a four
1:11:19
Speaker 3: wheel or a coyote running through a guy mending fence,
1:11:21
Speaker 3: somebody cutting wood that can alter deer movement very very easily.
1:11:26
Speaker 3: But if they're undisturbed, the Deer cast app is extremely
1:11:30
Speaker 3: accurate and on point as far as the predictive models
1:11:34
Speaker 3: as to when a white tail is going to get
1:11:36
Speaker 3: up on their feet and move during daylight hours, and
1:11:38
Speaker 3: we would we'd take it, take it to the bank
1:11:40
Speaker 3: because it's worked for us extremely well. We're continuing to
1:11:44
Speaker 3: improve that, you know, with the tracking features and with
1:11:48
Speaker 3: the rain stations and all the way points, and there's
1:11:51
Speaker 3: just a wide array of things that are that are
1:11:53
Speaker 3: within that. Uh, you know, the daily the daily journal
1:11:57
Speaker 3: that's in there each and every day. We've got a
1:12:00
Speaker 3: writers that write stories that are always interesting. People can
1:12:04
Speaker 3: send their information in their pictures in We love seeing
1:12:07
Speaker 3: what other people are killing throughout the country and when
1:12:09
Speaker 3: they're killing it. That's a great, great way to key
1:12:11
Speaker 3: in on when of what's happening when you start seeing
1:12:14
Speaker 3: those big giants fall and you're seeing pictures on deer Cast,
1:12:17
Speaker 3: pretty good chance you could say, oh, I need to
1:12:19
Speaker 3: be there right now. It also gives you a fifteen
1:12:22
Speaker 3: day predictive model where you can say, you know what,
1:12:24
Speaker 3: I need to take two or three days of vacation,
1:12:26
Speaker 3: So you can look at it ahead of time and
1:12:28
Speaker 3: say that, man, there's a good or a great you know,
1:12:31
Speaker 3: in and around this particular period, so you can kind
1:12:34
Speaker 3: of plan your vacation out a little bit ahead of time.
1:12:37
Speaker 3: But deer Cast the predictive model changes as the weather changes.
1:12:42
Speaker 3: So if it goes from a great to a poor,
1:12:44
Speaker 3: that's not our fault. That just meant that god God's
1:12:47
Speaker 3: sense of poor weather that you described while ago, you know,
1:12:50
Speaker 3: a really really poor scenario, bad barometer, bad wind, you know,
1:12:53
Speaker 3: high temperatures and they're just not moving. So with that,
1:12:57
Speaker 3: we're still working on all the television shows and still
1:13:00
Speaker 3: doing a lot of stuff on YouTube. Our YouTube channel's
1:13:03
Speaker 3: just been going off the charts, big numbers, and we
1:13:07
Speaker 3: still love doing it. I mean Mark and I both
1:13:09
Speaker 3: Matt Taylor, we're just ate up with it. And White
1:13:12
Speaker 3: Tails have been our thing for a long long time,
1:13:15
Speaker 3: from early childhood on. Mark and I are just absolutely
1:13:18
Speaker 3: enamored with him. He always says they're playing chess, we're
1:13:22
Speaker 3: playing checkers, and he's not wrong. We're students of the game,
1:13:26
Speaker 3: and we'll continue to learn and.
1:13:27
Speaker 4: Hope that we can help somebody else.
1:13:29
Speaker 3: That's what we've all always been about, is sharing information
1:13:32
Speaker 3: and hoping that somebody else can kill a big deer
1:13:35
Speaker 3: because of what we're sharing.
1:13:36
Speaker 2: Well, you guys have certainly lived up to that goal.
1:13:39
Speaker 2: You've helped a lot of folks out, myself included. So
1:13:43
Speaker 2: thank you. Thank you for that, Terry, and thanks with
1:13:45
Speaker 2: us Chet as always, I've really enjoyed him.
1:13:49
Speaker 3: I loved it too. Thank you for those scenarios. Those
1:13:52
Speaker 3: sounded like they were coming from an extremely, extremely professional hunter.
1:13:57
Speaker 2: Well, we're someone who's screwed up a lot, and it's
1:14:01
Speaker 2: still trying to figure out how to learn from those mistakes.
1:14:03
Speaker 2: So somewhere between, maybe let's chat again soon, Terry.
1:14:08
Speaker 3: All right, thank you, Mark.
1:14:09
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it, buddy, all right, and that's going to
1:14:13
Speaker 2: do it for us today. Thank you all for joining
1:14:15
Speaker 2: me for today's episode. Really enjoy my chat with Terry.
1:14:19
Speaker 2: Please go and subscribe to the Jury Outdoors YouTube channel.
1:14:22
Speaker 2: They've got their one hundred percent While podcast, which actually
1:14:25
Speaker 2: helped them start maybe like eight nine years ago. We
1:14:28
Speaker 2: co hosted it for a year or two. Matt and
1:14:30
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1:14:32
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1:14:37
Speaker 2: Matt Taylor. They're all doing great work. I appreciate them,
1:14:41
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