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Fridays with Jack Windsor · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Five KRS deep Talk Station.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, thirty fifty five KRCD Talk station, Happy Friday. Another
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  Speaker 2: website you should book mark the Ohio Pressnetwork dot com.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good news stump site. And also some writing
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  Speaker 2: from our guests every Friday at this particular time. The
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  Speaker 2: man who runs a site, it's his site. Jack Windsor
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  Speaker 2: from the Ohio Press Network, Welcome back to the morning show,
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  Speaker 2: my friend. Happy Friday to you, Brian.
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  Speaker 3: Always an honor to be here with you in the
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  Speaker 3: fifty five KRC family.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad to have you. I have to ask you.
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  Speaker 2: I've been on this tar all morning because and the
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  Speaker 2: more I review the Democrats Socialist in America platform, the
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  Speaker 2: more I just it makes my head hurt. And I've
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  Speaker 2: been asking my friends in the listening audience, you know,
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  Speaker 2: go through the thought exercise of how you navigate and
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  Speaker 2: cope with life or even exist as a society if
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  Speaker 2: you give them their due and give them at least theoretically,
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  Speaker 2: why as we walk through post DSA policies put in place,
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  Speaker 2: what's the world gonna look like without police, without prisons
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  Speaker 2: and wide open borders? Those three of the multitude of
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  Speaker 2: insane principles that they advance. How can that possibly work?
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's guys like you and me, I think
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  Speaker 3: probably scratch our heads and eventually end up pounding them
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  Speaker 3: against the wall.
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  Speaker 4: It's appealing, you know the thing.
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  Speaker 3: I try to make comparisons, and I guess if you
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  Speaker 3: ever played sports growing up, you have some tough choices
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  Speaker 3: to make, right Like during the final days of summer,
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  Speaker 3: you can sit on your porch and and drink some
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  Speaker 3: sweet tea and hang out with your buddies and sleep
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  Speaker 3: in if you want, Or you can get your butt
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  Speaker 3: up early and you can go to two a days
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  Speaker 3: and two days suck, but ultimately you become a better
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  Speaker 3: football player. You get to put the jersey on and
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  Speaker 3: play football on Friday night and life is good. And eventually,
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  Speaker 3: if you continue to not show up for life, that
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  Speaker 3: sitting on a porch turns into maybe your overweight, not
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  Speaker 3: in shape life doesn't go as well. Whatever, It's kind
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  Speaker 3: of the same thing. There's an allure to things being free,
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  Speaker 3: and allure to sticking it to the man and changing
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  Speaker 3: the system. But you only have to look at history
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  Speaker 3: to figure out you can only take other people's money
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  Speaker 3: for so long, and the Republic may not be perfect,
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  Speaker 3: and capitalism may not be perfect, but it is levels
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  Speaker 3: better than anything else available.
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  Speaker 1: Oh for a whole host and multitude of reasons.
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  Speaker 2: And thanks for bringing back bad Vietnam like flashbacks for
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  Speaker 2: me my double I was a swimmer, but double workouts
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  Speaker 2: over the summer morning and afternoon. Man, I just want
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  Speaker 2: to shoot myself in the head back of those days.
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  Speaker 2: But you can advance this and you can say this
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  Speaker 2: is what we want, and it will appeal to the dumb,
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  Speaker 2: the lazy. I don't know, but you know there are
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  Speaker 2: a lot of college educated, I guess, rich white women
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  Speaker 2: who adopted this craziness in large measure. I mean in
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  Speaker 2: large numbers. If you look at the breakdown of the DSA,
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  Speaker 2: it's a lot of you know, wealthy, suburban I guess,
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  Speaker 2: guilty women because of where they are and who they are.
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  Speaker 2: But ask them, please come on, solve my problem. Read
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  Speaker 2: need to embrace what you're demanding or suggesting. We need
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  Speaker 2: for society, which is getting rid of those evil police,
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  Speaker 2: getting rid of prisons and wide open borders. But how
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  Speaker 2: are we going to deal with the As I mentioned earlier, Jack,
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  Speaker 2: Conceptually speaking, if you have a group of terrorists in
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  Speaker 2: your country that want to bring about a theocracy, let's
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  Speaker 2: say like they did in Iran when they overthrew the
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  Speaker 2: shaw and put a theocracy in which doesn't embrace these
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  Speaker 2: principles and be more than happy to murder you rather
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  Speaker 2: than even give you due process before putting you in
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  Speaker 2: an evil prison.
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  Speaker 1: You can't have an answer to that question.
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  Speaker 2: There must be accountable, there must be law enforcement, and
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  Speaker 2: must be a place to put the evil doers to
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  Speaker 2: keep that kind of element out of your society. They're
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  Speaker 2: going to take over.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, history is standing here saying, don't make me repeat myself, right,
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  Speaker 3: And what's really interesting, and I'm sorry I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: go down this rabbit hole, is when you think about
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  Speaker 3: the idea of policing.
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  Speaker 4: What is policing supposed to do. It's supposed to keep
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  Speaker 4: the peace.
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  Speaker 3: It's supposed to make sure that if they're is some
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  Speaker 3: sort of infraction, that that infraction gets confronted and if
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  Speaker 3: it's found out to be true, then then you deal
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  Speaker 3: with it right, And there are rules and laws and
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  Speaker 3: penalties in all of those things. The same people who
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  Speaker 3: want us to believe they don't have a stomach for
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  Speaker 3: law enforcement are the same type of people who are
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  Speaker 3: aged and politically active, and if they see an XX
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  Speaker 3: or x Y sign at a women's basketball game, they
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  Speaker 3: go over and they want to police a sixteen year
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  Speaker 3: old girl who's saying thank you, Sophie Cunningham for standing
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  Speaker 3: up for girls. I couldn't see people who don't want
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  Speaker 3: police are very happy to go police themselves things that
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  Speaker 3: they shouldn't be policing. So it's not that they really
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  Speaker 3: don't want police, it's just they really haven't thought about
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  Speaker 3: their worldview.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's just they really haven't thought period. Fill in
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  Speaker 2: the black stop Yes, Jack Windsor Theohio Pressnetwork dot Com.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to talk about the Yes, the ongoing war
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  Speaker 2: on data enter We had Brigham Account and Studio for
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  Speaker 2: a full hour on energy policy. Jack Windsor, so perfect
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  Speaker 2: springboard to talk about the war on data centers that's
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  Speaker 2: ongoing and driven largely in part by the influence of
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  Speaker 2: the Chinese Communist Party.
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  Speaker 1: I said it. We'll see if Jack agrees, don't go away,
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  Speaker 1: be right back. Fifty five KRC the fifty five KRC
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  Speaker 1: the talk station.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, thirty eight to fifty five KRCD Talk station, Happy Friday.
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  Speaker 2: We've got some great plans for the weekend, and I
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  Speaker 2: hope you don't get rained down tomorrow, which is what
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  Speaker 2: it looks like. And I hope you have the Ohio
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  Speaker 2: pressnetwork dot com book mark on your web browser because
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  Speaker 2: that's where you find Jack Windsor and the all the
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  Speaker 2: news he's got there. Great stuff it is. Let's pivot
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  Speaker 2: back to the ongoing saga, the war on data centers.
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  Speaker 2: And as we learned from Brigham account, Jack Windsor, we
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  Speaker 2: you know, I boiling it down. And I know my
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  Speaker 2: listeners are sick of me talking about small modular reactors,
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  Speaker 2: but just given all the information I've got about them,
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  Speaker 2: they are literally right there. They're done, they can work,
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  Speaker 2: they're off the shelf. You can build a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: them pretty easily.
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  Speaker 1: They could be.
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  Speaker 2: Brought with a AI data and right there. Look, we
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  Speaker 2: have a semi size small modular reactor providing us with
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  Speaker 2: all the power we need. We don't need your grid,
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  Speaker 2: we don't need anything. But we have a regulatory scheme
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  Speaker 2: that is a nightmarish reality. The federal government's in charge
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  Speaker 2: of nuclear power. They won't let us have them, apparently,
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  Speaker 2: And if you do, try to permit for one it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be a decade or more before it finally
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  Speaker 2: gets built. That is the snail's pace that is impeding
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  Speaker 2: our progress. It's the thing that would solve the energy
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  Speaker 2: red flag that people are waving about AI. So focusing
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  Speaker 2: on that element. The easy answer, revivik Ramaswami embraces it.
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  Speaker 2: Have them bring their own power. Simple solution, achievable right now,
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  Speaker 2: solution Jack Windsor. But it's one that's impossible to achieve
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  Speaker 2: because of federal regulations and quite often state regulations. As
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  Speaker 2: I said earlier in the program, we've met the enemy
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  Speaker 2: there us.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Brian, everyone's mad about.
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  Speaker 1: Their electric bill.
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  Speaker 3: And like every good story, there's always a victim in
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  Speaker 3: a villain, right and right now, data centers are the villain.
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  Speaker 3: I sat down with the number two of the Department
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  Speaker 3: of Energy this week and here's the truth. The fight
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  Speaker 3: isn't whether to build, although there are some people still
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  Speaker 3: scrambling and squawking about that, it's really about who pays.
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  Speaker 3: And in Ohio, believe it or not, we really are
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  Speaker 3: on the bleeding edge of what's going on as far
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  Speaker 3: as states.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 3: You're right, there are some things nationally that still need
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  Speaker 3: to happen. But there's just this political war brewing against
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  Speaker 3: data centers, and you have the Bernie Sanders style push
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  Speaker 3: to ban them out right. But to me, the right
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  Speaker 3: answer is already in place. You make big tech pay
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  Speaker 3: its own freight. And in Ohio we have implemented at
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  Speaker 3: least a tariff, which is good news. And then nationally
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  Speaker 3: you have Trump's rate payer Protection Pledge and there are
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  Speaker 3: companies who are signing on to that, at least at
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  Speaker 3: a top level. That seems to be the starting point. Obviously,
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  Speaker 3: you have to figure out in each locale how that
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  Speaker 3: looks and make sure that you're dotting your eyes and
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  Speaker 3: crossing your t's and making sure that the tax payers
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  Speaker 3: are not footing the bill in a bevy of ways.
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  Speaker 2: Well, but there are two components to that, and you
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  Speaker 2: find if you can level the playing field. In terms
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  Speaker 2: of power, the power demands are increasing, and with increased demands,
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  Speaker 2: necessarily economic reality kicks in. The price goes up, laws
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  Speaker 2: of supply and demands a finite supply of power. And
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  Speaker 2: then there's that pesky infrastructure component, because our infrastructure can't
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  Speaker 2: keep up with the demands on the electric grid. So
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  Speaker 2: how do you deal with those two components. You got
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  Speaker 2: to need more power and you're going to need an
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  Speaker 2: infrastructure to deliver it. And therein you run right headlong
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  Speaker 2: into the regulatory nightmare that prevents things from being done.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I think you know when I talked with
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  Speaker 3: Alex Fitzsimmons, now Associate Deputy Secretary of Energy and senior
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  Speaker 3: advisor at Secretary Wright, he framed it this way. So
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  Speaker 3: the Department of Energy is working with tech companies and
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  Speaker 3: the power sector to implement this rate pair of protection pledge.
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  Speaker 3: And the idea is that you buy it, you bring it,
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  Speaker 3: or you build it. And I'm with you. We have
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  Speaker 3: laid down the foundation in Ohio to say if you
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  Speaker 3: want to build a mini reactor, you can do it.
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  Speaker 3: So administratively, we need to figure that part of it out.
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  Speaker 3: And look, the eight hundred pound gorilla in the room
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  Speaker 3: is that nuclear has had a black eye from a
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  Speaker 3: marketing perspective for a long time.
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  Speaker 4: But it's really time to re examine that and let's.
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  Speaker 2: Start reminding people as we did with bring him a gown,
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  Speaker 2: this isn't nineteen seventy Yes, you know what, correct, You
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  Speaker 2: know they didn't have small modulear reactors back in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: seventy had it was a one size fits none. It
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  Speaker 2: was one size, custom tailored like a bespoke suit, build
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  Speaker 2: two size and suit one specific location, not off the
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  Speaker 2: shelf like a Lego. And that took forever. Every element
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  Speaker 2: of the new design had to be approved. Every eye
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  Speaker 2: had to be crossed, every eye had to be dotted
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  Speaker 2: and t crossed. Every environmental rule and regulation had to
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  Speaker 2: be parsed through for each individual project, and then you
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  Speaker 2: do it all over again at some other site elsewhere.
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  Speaker 2: We have overcome the challenges not only of the size
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  Speaker 2: and scope they used to be. We've got them built
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  Speaker 2: down into small you can fit in the back of
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  Speaker 2: a semi tractor trailer size. It's we're still thinking of
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  Speaker 2: it along the lines of meltdowns and nuclear waste and
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  Speaker 2: all these problems that no longer exist technologically.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you think about it. Just to make
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  Speaker 3: a funny comparison. In the seventies, your phone was on
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  Speaker 3: the wall, and today you have a phone, a computer.
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  Speaker 3: You have everything you need that's this size, and technology
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  Speaker 3: is amazing and things have advanced, and we really need
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  Speaker 3: to look at it that way.
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  Speaker 4: In Ohio, though, I do want to make sure.
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  Speaker 3: I mentioned you know, the Public Utilities Commission approved a
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  Speaker 3: tariff for a he requiring large loaded customers to pay
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  Speaker 3: at least eighty five percent of their contracted capacity for
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  Speaker 3: up to twelve years, regardless of actual use. And that's
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  Speaker 3: another I think big win.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 3: I think Duke is another that we're going to have
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  Speaker 3: to make sure that they're on board with that. But
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  Speaker 3: that's what it looks like, right. You need to make
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  Speaker 3: sure that these companies are are footing the bill so
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  Speaker 3: that Grandma doesn't get stuck with it in December.
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  Speaker 2: Amen to that. I think that's all anybody wants, and
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  Speaker 2: I think we can accomplish that. Let's squeeze the skids
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  Speaker 2: and get it done. We are all amen to that.
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  Speaker 2: We're capable of doing. No again, I'll go back to
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  Speaker 2: the fact we've done it. We've done it. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: that written thing in the book, in the law. That's
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  Speaker 2: the thing that's to get in there and scratch it
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  Speaker 2: out and let's move forward with our lives and solve
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  Speaker 2: everybody's problems. Jack wins or how pressnetwork dot Com don't
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  Speaker 2: go away? Because one of Jack's favorite topics, and I
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  Speaker 2: know it's Governor de Wine's topic one of his favorite topics,
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  Speaker 2: topics Haitian deportations. We'll talk about that with Jack in
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  Speaker 2: just a minute. Don't go away fifty five krs.
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  Speaker 1: The talk station.
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  Speaker 2: A forty eight fifty five krsee the talk station. Happy Friday,
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  Speaker 2: Brian Thomas with you. How Press Networks, Jack windsor the
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  Speaker 2: Ohio Pressnetwork dot com. Appreciate what you're doing throughout the week,
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  Speaker 2: Jack Wins, and I was enjoy having you on the
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  Speaker 2: fifty five KRCY Morning show on a Friday, and I've
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  Speaker 2: been getting am I'm not gonna say I'm experiencing Shodenfreud
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  Speaker 2: a bit. Mike the Wines kind of rubbed me the
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  Speaker 2: wrong way for a lot of different reasons, being, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the little old libertarian type that I am, and I
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  Speaker 2: know he kind of rubs a lot of my Republican
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  Speaker 2: friends the wrong way as well, So I'm referred to
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  Speaker 2: him as a rhino. I'm not quite sure he even
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  Speaker 2: has a political guidepost. But I've never quite understood his
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  Speaker 2: relationship with the Haitian community other than the fact that
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  Speaker 2: he I guess his family did some charitable work there.
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  Speaker 2: But we have about thirty thousand of them who made
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  Speaker 2: their way and found their way into Springfield under temporary
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  Speaker 2: protected status. And it was because of the the earthquake
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  Speaker 2: for back in twenty ten. I hate he not exactly
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  Speaker 2: a fun filled, in roible experience for pretty much all
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  Speaker 2: the time, given its political instability, But the earthquake was
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  Speaker 2: twenty ten temporary protected status I think by its own
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  Speaker 2: name means not permanent. There was no justification or basis
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  Speaker 2: upon which someone could claim that they were entitled, by
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  Speaker 2: virtual being here under temporary protected status to stay here
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  Speaker 2: forever and lo and behold in new administration decides that, well,
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  Speaker 2: that temporary event is over with. It's time for the
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  Speaker 2: temporary folks here to have that status revoked and send
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  Speaker 2: them back home. Mike Dwin's got a problem with that,
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  Speaker 2: Jack windsor you're analysis of his response.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the top line is this. Brian DeWine's closing argument
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  Speaker 3: as governor is that federal immigration law shouldn't apply to
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  Speaker 3: Ohio because employers got.
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  Speaker 4: Used to the cheap labor.
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  Speaker 3: And if you remember, I know we've talked about this,
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  Speaker 3: I was in Springfield back in twenty twenty four, then
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  Speaker 3: candidate for Vice president jd Vance made it a point
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  Speaker 3: to reach out to me in the middle of my
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  Speaker 3: coverage there and said, thanks for covering what you're covering.
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  Speaker 3: I labeled it what I saw it as back then,
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  Speaker 3: reverse offshoring. And what Dwine is doing now is he's
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  Speaker 3: just saying it out loud, and it tells you exactly
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  Speaker 3: whose side Columbus has been on since twenty twenty three
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  Speaker 3: on this whole matter.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the side of manufacturers getting very very inexpensive
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  Speaker 2: labor here on temporary protected status.
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  Speaker 1: Which does give them the lawful ability to work.
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  Speaker 3: It does, and I think therein is part of the issue.
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  Speaker 3: I was in Springfield last week and I am seed
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  Speaker 3: a town hall and one of the rules that I
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  Speaker 3: put in place was, look, we're not going to call
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  Speaker 3: the Haitians illegals because many of them are here on
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  Speaker 3: temporary protected status. If you remember, there's also there was
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  Speaker 3: the CHVN parole program under the Biden administration that allowed
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  Speaker 3: many of them to come in and apply. But the
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  Speaker 3: bottom line is this, the president has the authority to
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  Speaker 3: you enforce the law. Yes he did. The Supreme Court
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  Speaker 3: backed him up. And now you have a governor who
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  Speaker 3: used to be Attorney General, interestingly, who basically says, I
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  Speaker 3: just don't like the law, and so he's on TV
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  Speaker 3: lobbying the Trump administration to make an exception for Ohio
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  Speaker 3: and spending time in Springfield.
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  Speaker 4: When I say a majority, I mean a majority.
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  Speaker 3: The problem with mainstream press is they bastardize the truth often.
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  Speaker 3: That's what happened in Springfield. A majority, I would say,
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  Speaker 3: even a super majority of people in Springfield say why
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  Speaker 3: aren't you worried about us? Why can't you consider us too?
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  Speaker 3: You're on TV making a case for the Haitians and
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  Speaker 3: temporary means temporary. Why can't you consider us? And I
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  Speaker 3: think that's where Mike Dwaine again is tone deaf.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I have asked others, and I'm going to go
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  Speaker 2: ahead and ask you. Not that I necessarily think you
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  Speaker 2: might have any information on it, but since you move
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  Speaker 2: follow on this subject for so long. The jobs that
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  Speaker 2: these Haitians, the Haitians in Springfield are doing are not
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  Speaker 2: like high degree requiring jobs. You don't need a six
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  Speaker 2: year education or a four year college degree, or even
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  Speaker 2: an associate's degree to perform the labor that some of
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  Speaker 2: these folks are doing. In other words, they don't require
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  Speaker 2: a tremendous amount of job training or go I don't
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  Speaker 2: care what type of person you are. If you're able bodied,
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  Speaker 2: working age, you can perform the job that the Somali
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  Speaker 2: community happens to be doing. Does that sound like a
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  Speaker 2: fair assessment of the situation?
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  Speaker 1: Jack?
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  Speaker 4: It does? It does.
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  Speaker 3: And here's the caveat that I think is where the
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  Speaker 3: discussion goes a lot.
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  Speaker 4: But here's the caveat.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting Governor Mike DeWine when he
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  Speaker 3: was talking I think it was with CBS, he said, well,
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  Speaker 3: they start businesses and they buy houses, And I went,
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  Speaker 3: do they because I know a lot of people in
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  Speaker 3: their thirties who feel like they can't afford their first home.
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  Speaker 3: But you're telling me that the Haitians who are working,
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  Speaker 3: and here's here's what I'm going to get to. They
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  Speaker 3: are working at a wage that is probably below what
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  Speaker 3: a Springfield resident could make because they're getting subsidized by taxpayers.
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  Speaker 3: That's the bottom line. And so if you're a business,
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  Speaker 3: you can pay the employee less because the employees bunking
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  Speaker 3: with ten other Haitians in a house paying six hundred
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  Speaker 3: dollars a month and has other government stipends and handouts
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  Speaker 3: that the average Springfield resident doesn't, and that's the part
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  Speaker 3: that nobody in the press wants to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the easy way to answer that question is the following,
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  Speaker 2: Jack windsor wait a second, we now have a work requirement.
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  Speaker 2: If you are able bodied and capable of being employee,
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  Speaker 2: you now must do what eighty hours of work a
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  Speaker 2: month or something along those lines. You have to engage
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  Speaker 2: in education, training or work an effort to get work.
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  Speaker 2: You got thirty thousand, I guess potential jobs in the
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  Speaker 2: city of Springfield if they're capable of getting rid of
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  Speaker 2: every single Haitian person there, and therefore you've got a
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  Speaker 2: whole bunch of people apparently who qualify or who are
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  Speaker 2: able bodied, that nonetheless are receiving public assistance in the
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  Speaker 2: form of taxpayer dollar welfare. That's a place for them
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  Speaker 2: to work. Apparently, it doesn't require a tremendous amount of
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  Speaker 2: job training to perform the task. They could fulfill their
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  Speaker 2: work obligation at oh Jack. If these jobs allow people
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  Speaker 2: and pay people enough money that they can buy houses
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  Speaker 2: and participate in the community that way, and then pay taxes,
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  Speaker 2: it sounds to me like these people might be permanently
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  Speaker 2: employed and then buying houses next week. But I guess
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  Speaker 2: what you're telling me, Jack, it wouldn't work out that
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  Speaker 2: way because they're not paying a quote unquote living wage
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  Speaker 2: as the left might characterize it.
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  Speaker 3: That's fair. I think that is absolutely fair. And listen,
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  Speaker 3: I can't talk about Springfield without saying, we can't ever
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  Speaker 3: forget the residents of Springfield housing schools, driving government services.
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  Speaker 4: For years.
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  Speaker 3: They've been clamoring and you know what, they were dismissed
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  Speaker 3: as racist, as fringe, as big at it. I spent
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  Speaker 3: time with him again last week. That's not the case.
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  Speaker 3: They absolutely welcome migrants, but they also recognize that there's
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  Speaker 3: a point beyond which you get stress that you just
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: can't be elastic anymore.
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  Speaker 2: And that racism bigoted thing is ridiculous. You could pick up. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: is it because of the color of their skin?
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  Speaker 1: Jack?
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  Speaker 2: Then is this a color of skin racism argument? All right,
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  Speaker 2: Let's say you went over to, oh, pick a European country.
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  Speaker 1: You got all the people in Germany or something.
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  Speaker 2: You picked up thirty thousand of them because they wanted
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  Speaker 2: to come to the United States of America, and you
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  Speaker 2: landed them at a bus stop in Springfield, Ohio, and
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  Speaker 2: they were the ones that got hired by these employers
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  Speaker 2: because they were allowed to work and they were willing
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  Speaker 2: to take less of a wage because they agreed that
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  Speaker 2: they would all live in small apartments with fifteen or
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: twenty people. And then blah blah, the same thing that's
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  Speaker 2: going on. You can't scream racism. It's not the color
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  Speaker 2: of their skin, it's not their country of origin. It's
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: that they showed up one day unannounced and completely took
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: over all these jobs to the benefit of the factory
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  Speaker 2: owners and the people employing them because they worked for
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  Speaker 2: less money. This isn't about racism.
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  Speaker 3: Well, but then they would find another label, right, because
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  Speaker 3: that really what is that?
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  Speaker 4: It's point number thirteen.
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  Speaker 3: And in a Lenski's rules for radicals, you got to isolate, castigate,
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  Speaker 3: and try to cancel. So I guess where my head
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: goes is they would call you a white Christian nationalist.
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  Speaker 3: You're a bad evil nationalist. I mean there's always an excuse,
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  Speaker 3: but yes, I digress. Your point is spot on.
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  Speaker 2: Jack Lindsor always loved our conversations. We never disagree too much.