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EP052 Another Replacement Theologian - Part 1 · The Immutable Word

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  The Catholic Church believes it's replaced Israel, therefore all the Old Testament
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  militant promises are given to the Catholic Church.
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  That's why they can justify the Crusades and things like that.
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  Then you have the Calvinists who believe it's their job to build the kingdom
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  of heaven here on earth through making America great again, voting in conservative,
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  you know, the silent majority,
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  you know what I mean, bringing in prayer back into school, all that stuff.
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  That's what the Calvinists purport.
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  So that's replacement theology. the way they do that is to say,
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  well, the church is the primary people of God.
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  They are now the Israel of God. The Old Testament promises.
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  So, that's supersessionalism. So, that's part of the problem with these people
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  that come with this, you know, the church has replaced Israel.
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  It's that replacement theology, and it's, again, rooted in Calvinistic Catholic thought.
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  Welcome to The Immutable Word. This is Alan Robert. We're back for yet another episode.
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  Today we're going to be doing something not so different. We're actually going
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  to be talking about a comment that we received from an episode that we had done
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  a few weeks back, episode 49. We were covering the mysteries episode.
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  And a listener had commented that
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  we should correct our theological stance regarding Israel and the church.
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  And at first it looked pretty innocent enough.
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  It looked like they sort of appreciated what we were doing and made a comment,
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  which I found to be more of a honeypot comment where they kind of bring you
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  in and then they start the argumentation.
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  But in a way, they rejected the distinction between the two and as many Calvinists,
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  Catholics and other Suppressionists who conflate the Church and Israel.
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  So this also happened previously too on episode, one of our earlier episodes,
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  episode 14, where we're talking about.
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  Christian supporting modern-day Israel. We had a couple of episodes out on that,
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  I think, and there was another instance where somebody came in and started making a lot of arguments.
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  For some reason, those are really, really popular. When you mention Israel or
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  talk about modern-day Israel, somebody always has something to say,
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  and we always get a lot of views, too.
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  So, it's a good topic to talk about. Yeah, and what I wanted to say,
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  just as a kind of a clarification, too, is that we dealt with the issue that
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  we're talking about today, which is replacement theology and Israel and the
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  church and the distinction,
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  is that we did talk about it not as in-depth, but, you know,
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  we did talk about it quite a bit for episode 14 because it was actually the topic of the episode.
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  So when we talked about modern Israel, what is modern Israel, defining it.
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  So we talked about Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, and some of the crazy stuff they were saying.
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  So this one, we're going to go a little bit more deep dive today. Yeah.
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  On the replacement theology and actually look at their arguments. Nice.
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  And I think it's timely, too, just considering the political situation of the
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  world these days with Iran.
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  So I think it's interesting that we're going to be mentioning Israel on this
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  topic and might just pop up in a lot of people's feeds. Who knows?
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  Maybe spawn some more interesting comments in the comments section.
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  Yeah, and I think it's going to—I mean, this is going to be an ongoing topic
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  until Christ comes back.
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  Because if there's one thing that—if you study your Bible without any kind of
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  external commentary or interpretation, what you're going to find out is that
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  there is a deep hatred for Israel.
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  I don't care if you recognize the modern state of Israel as Israel.
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  There is a deep hatred for them.
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  Anti-Semitism, I believe, is equivalent to, you know, a doctrine of devils, period.
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  That's the way I look at it. And I think that this attack on dispensationalism,
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  the hermeneutic, the fact that churches are extremely ignorant of dispensational
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  theology and dispensational Bible study, and matter of fact,
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  you're even seeing some of our King James-only folks water down dispensational theology.
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  I believe that that's all a sign of the times.
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  I believe this is the Laodicean church age, and you have to create an environment,
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  a global mentality that hates those Jews.
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  And it's exactly what you see happening, whether people realize it or not.
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  And a lot of professing Christians are falling into that trap.
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  Yeah, it's crazy to see the influence, I suppose,
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  with media and even Bible-believing Christians are picking up on this stuff
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  and moving away from dispensationalism and getting on this bandwagon where it
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  really leads to anti-Semitism.
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  And you see a Christian nationalism on the rise.
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  I've seen Bible-believing Christians argue, well, I don't see Jews dying for
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  America, so why should Americans die for Jews?
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  You know what I mean? And so any kind of defense of the nation of Israel is
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  some kind of compromise with Israel and that somehow we're condoning every single act that they do.
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  But the problem is, is there's this, again, either the Bible is your final authority
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  or you change the Bible to make it mean what you want it to mean.
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  And that's exactly what this guy was doing. And he's not anything that I've
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  dealt with that's new. He didn't bring up any arguments that I haven't heard
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  a thousand times over in the past six, seven months.
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  But I think it's fair that here's what I want to do is let's articulate his arguments.
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  Let's recognize him and let's look at it from a scriptural point of view and
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  see if this logically makes sense. Yeah, and I could see where a guy that comes
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  in like this is really intellectual, the real intellectual type.
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  And I think that's who you primarily deal with. It's nothing new.
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  It's the same arguments, right, for the most part.
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  And they come in and they start posting or start commenting.
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  They use channels as their platform to show people how smart they are and just
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  to argue for the sake of arguing.
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  And I was going to ask you Like of all the groups that you Have pleasant conversations
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  with You'd say Calvinists are probably the most frustrating No,
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  the two that I deal with Are anti-King James and Calvinists.
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  The anti-King James and the Calvinist issue is becoming more and more prominent.
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  And I just, I really think, because one, if you get rid of the King James,
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  you get rid of your final authority.
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  And if you get rid of the Jew, then you condone anti-Semitism and hatred,
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  and eventually their murder is what it comes down to.
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  And nobody can read the Bible and realize from Genesis 3.15 where God cursed
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  the seed of the devil and said it was going to be the seed of the woman.
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  Now, you can sit there and allegorize that and say that's the church all you
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  want, but the seed of the woman specifically is pointing to the virgin birth
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  of a Jewish-born Savior, whether you like it or not.
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  And you could say, well, all that stuff was stripped when Christ died for the church. Really?
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  You're going to take a parenthetical church age and sit there and disrupt the
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  entire program God had laid out for Israel in 49 books of the Old Testament?
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  Anyway, it's really a ridiculous position.
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  But the problem is, is you have more and more Christians. There's a statement Paul makes to Timothy.
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  And he says in the latter days, in the last days, that, you know,
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  men are going to have itching ears for teachers, right? Having itching ears.
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  They're going to look for teachers that will teach what they want them to teach.
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  And Timothy, he tells Timothy, they will not endure sound doctrine.
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  That means they can't handle it. They won't stand up for it. They won't defend it.
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  So it's rather than be like, for example, if you were to, if you were in the
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  social media world and you were to argue key JVO, you're going to be called
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  every name in the book. You're going to be a cultist.
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  You know, you're going to be, there's labels and association, guilt by association.
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  They're going to say that you're ridiculous, you're anti-intellectual, whatever the case is.
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  And the same thing is for Israel. If you publicly stand up for Israel,
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  be prepared to be ridiculed, mocked, from both sides, from liberals and Christians.
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  So the point is, is people will not endure sound doctrine because it's easier
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  to fly under the radar and say, you know what? I'm not going to mess with those
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  controversial doctrines.
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  They're not going to endure them. But that's exactly what Paul warned of in
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  the last days. Here we are.
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  So, needless to say, it's a pretty contentious topic these days,
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  and we thought we would dedicate an episode.
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  I mean, we're going to see this more and more, right? It's going to be more
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  prevalent, so a Christian ought to be armed with this knowledge and be able
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  to recognize it for what it is and be able to respond appropriately, right?
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  So, they're, let's see here, there's, they fall into different categories, right?
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  So, there's like three different categories that they can fall into.
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  I want to break that down. Yeah, what it is, what it comes down to is,
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  you know, these guys that come up with this whole idea that the church and Israel
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  are the same thing, they fall into three category issues, problems with their interpretation.
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  And this is what it comes down to, is number one is they have a commitment to
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  what we call supersessionism or replacement theology.
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  So that's rooted. And what's ironic about that, it's an Augustinian philosophy.
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  So it's both Calvinistic, which is Protestant, and Catholic.
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  Both Calvinists and Catholics both reject the primacy and the distinction of Israel. Both of them do.
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  The Catholic Church believes it's replaced Israel, therefore all the Old Testament
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  militant promises are given to the Catholic Church.
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  That's why they can justify the Crusades and things like that.
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  Then you have the Calvinists who believe it's their job to build the kingdom
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  of heaven here on earth through making America great again, voting in conservative,
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  you know, the silent majority.
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  You know what I mean, bringing in prayer back into school, all that stuff.
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  That's what the Calvinists purport. So, that's replacement theology.
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  The way they do that is to say, well, the church is the primary people of God.
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  They are now the Israel of God. The Old Testament promises.
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  So, that's supersessionalism. So, that's part of the problem with these people
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  that come with this, you know, the church has replaced Israel.
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  It's that replacement theology. And it's, again, rooted in Calvinistic,
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  Catholic thought. Then, in order to support that, you have to allegorize scripture.
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  You have to spiritualize the passages and force them into this theological framework, right?
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  So, they reject the historical, grammatical, literal method of interpretation.
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  You can no longer take the Bible, you know, by what it says plainly.
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  You have to reinterpret those so that it fits your theological framework,
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  which is the replacement theology or the Calvinism or the Catholic doctrines.
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  And then, of course, that's all a result of the number three category,
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  which is completely ignoring or just a complete ignorance of dispensationalism.
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  You know, refusing to believe that it's a legitimate hermeneutic in the scriptures,
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  even though the Bible tells us, according to God, the right way to study your
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  Bible is by right division. Yeah.
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  That's what dispensationalism teaches, is that God, through various administrative
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  functions throughout history, has dealt with man at different levels,
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  with progressive revelation, different rules of engagement.
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  He never violates any principles, so he never contradicts himself.
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  But the key to dispensationalism, it's the only way to make the Bible make sense,
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  because you're going to have apparent contradictions.
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  You're going to read things in the Old Testament that don't make sense in the
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  New Testament, and you're going to read the books, you're going to read Matthew,
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  and you're going to read the Beatitudes where Christ says, hey,
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  if your eye offends, you pluck out your eye, or if your hand offends, you rip off your arm.
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  So you tell me, how do you get around those passages as a New Testament Christian
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  today, where if you look at something you shouldn't, why aren't more Christians
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  ripping their eyeballs out?
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  You see the problem? The problem is, is they don't understand dispensationalism.
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  And people that don't accept dispensationalism, they're going to confuse their
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  Bible, They're going to confuse interpretation.
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  They're going to be confused about Pauline doctrine. They're not going to understand
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  what exactly applies to them.
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  And of course, we've already done episodes where liberals and homosexuals,
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  LGBTQ crowd have ripped passages out of context because of a failure to rightly divide.
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  So, again, what promotes this whole idea that, oh, the church has now replaced Israel?
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  It's replacement theology, which is rooted in Augustinianism,
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  which is the root of Calvinism and Catholicism, and then allegorization of Scripture,
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  because in order to support that, you have to spiritualize the passages.
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  And in order to do that, you have to completely disregard dispensationalism.
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  So, the bottom line is, when it comes to dispensational interpretation,
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  at the end of the day, it is the only, and I'm going to say that,
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  I'm going to stress that, it is the only method of study.
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  The only one that aligns with the prophetic framework of Scripture without changing
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  the verses, conflating them, overgeneralizing them, or spiritualizing them.
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  It is the only method of Scripture that aligns with the prophetic framework of Scripture.
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  All other hermeneutical systems, which includes Calvinism, they're incompatible
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  with what you find in Scripture as it's plainly stated.
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  You have to change the wording of Scripture in order to support replacement theology.
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  So, that's why I say that dispensational interpretation of Scripture is the
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  only method of study that aligns with prophecy.
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  And if you ignore the prophetical implications of Scripture,
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  then you might as well just toss your Bible out, because that's a divine fingerprint
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  of the Bible, that it is the Word of God is prophecy.
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  And a huge contingent doctrine that is related to prophecy is, guess what? Israel.
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  If you get rid of Israel, you get rid of prophecy, you get rid of prophecy,
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  you get rid of the final authority of the Word of God.
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  So, it's interesting that Calvinism agrees with Catholicism when it comes to replacement theology.
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  Is this something that they admit to? Oh, yeah.
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  Calvin himself even admitted that—it was either Martin Luther or Calvin that
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  he says, as he thinks his thoughts, he is wholly and completely and utterly
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  Augustinian in thought.
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  But Augustine of Hippo, I believe, he's the father of—he's the one that—he was
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  an early church father around, you know, 3rd century, 4th century, I believe.
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  And he was the one that came up with fatalism, determinism, things like that you find in Calvinism.
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  That basically, if God wills it, it's going to happen regardless of what you want.
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  He also—he spiritualized passage of scripture, allegorized a lot of stuff.
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  He argued for a lot of the doctrines that the Catholics believe today,
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  you know, intercessory prayer by priests and things like that.
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  There's a lot of things that if you ask a Catholic, they're rooted in Augustinianism.
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  If you talk to a Calvinist, their entire theology is rooted in Augustinianism.
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  Yeah, that's pretty wild.
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  And, yeah, it really does reveal a lot of things that are just completely counter
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  to the Word of God and how it should be approached, rightly dividing,
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  being a dispensationalist.
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  So, cool. What's next?
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  Well, I mean, what we want to do is, you know, we kind of—I organized the guy
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  on the comment, and I didn't want to—I'm not going to go through and read his
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  comments just because some of them are kind of stupid.
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  Honestly, they are. I mean, the guy, you know, he thought very highly of himself.
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  And he kept trying to throw gotcha questions out there, but you could tell that
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  he wasn't paying attention to what the scripture was saying.
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  He was constantly reinterpreting them so that it aligns with his theological
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  bent, which is replacement theology.
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  And I kept calling him out. I said, well, you're a supersessionist.
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  You're a replacement theologian.
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  You know, and of course, he kept just attacking dispensationalism and so forth and so on.
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  But he didn't really ever prove that dispensationalism was wrong.
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  And I put, you know, I threw a couple arguments out there showing them,
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  if what you're saying is true, you've just created a contradiction.
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  What you've done is you've undermined the promises to the church because you've
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  completely destroyed the promises to Israel.
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  And he couldn't get it. And a lot of those guys, man, they're so blinded.
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  And that's why I said, I said, you're not really interested in what the Bible says.
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  You're just more interested in defending your theology. Yeah.
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  And so I'm not a dispensationalist because I want to be.
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  I'm a dispensationalist because I have to be. In order to believe that the Word
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  of God is the Word of God, that it's consistent,
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  cogent from, you know, it's coherent from beginning to end, the purpose-scuity
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  of Scripture, meaning that Scripture is plain in every sense,
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  that it means exactly what it says, I have to be dispensational.
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  Once I reject dispensationalism, I'm going to create a ton of theological problems, period.
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  I mean, I'm willing to argue that with anybody, but the point is.
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  So what we want to do is, rather than get into each of his comments and his
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  silly little statements and stuff that he made,
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  what I did is kind of synthesized his arguments into six primary arguments,
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  and this is what you're going to come across with most replacement theologians.
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  So, you know, by understanding what their argument is, I want to articulate it.
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  Let's identify where their arguments come from and how they're justifying them.
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  And then, you know, do that a little bit of analysis and then provide a scriptural rebuttal for each.
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  And then for each one of these arguments, I want to highlight a scriptural principle
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  that's actually being violated as a result of it.
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  There's a lot of scripture. This isn't an anti-Calvinist episode.
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  Some of this stuff is anti-Calvinist, but specifically this whole conflation
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  of the church and Israel is a very, very important.
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  I mean, there's Bible beliefs. I've had people in our church that are struggling with Israel today.
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  They're like, Brother Robert, how do we support Israel when they're doing such
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  wicked stuff? How do we support Israel when, you know, we talked about it before,
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  should Christians support modern-day Israel?
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  You know, they're heavily involved in the pornographic industry.
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  They're involved in international banking.
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  They've been involved in international globalist conspiracies.
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  And I agree with all that, absolutely. But guess what?
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  None of that abrogates the unconditional promise that God made.
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  His promise is not contingent upon Israel's obedience.
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  I will say that over and over again. God's promise to Israel has nothing to
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  do with them being obedient to him or crucifying their Messiah at all.
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  I mean, you look throughout the entirety of scripture and they're constantly in disobedience to God.
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  I mean, they were driven out of the land. They were destroyed by their enemies.
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  They were forced to eat their own children.
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  I mean, there's a passage in Jeremiah where he says that you have as many cities as you have gods.
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  I mean, think about that statement. You have as many cities in Israel as you
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  have gods that you worship to, that they set up altars to sacrifice to.
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  And some of their sacrifices involved their own children.
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  I mean, so if we stop and think about that just for a second,
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  let's think logically here instead of like a replacement theologian.
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  I mean, literally, I say that tongue in cheek, but I also mean it because they
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  don't think logically because they think like, I've got to support my replacement theology.
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  I've got to embrace my replacement theology. I don't care what the verse says.
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  I don't care what the passage says.
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  I've got to reject what this passage says, and I've got to reinterpret it so
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  it supports my theology.
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  I want people to understand it is a wicked, wicked, wicked doctrine.
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  I don't care if you're a Calvinist or not.
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  But here's the point of it.
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  When you look at Israel in the Old Testament, they were sacrificing their own
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  children. They were committing abominations. They were committing whoredoms
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  with the idols around them, the gods around them.
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  And God destroyed them. God destroyed their temple.
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  God drove them into, you know, they went into Babylon. They went into Assyria.
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  400 years, God didn't open up one prophetic door.
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  There was no, the word of God was silent for 400 years, and then the Messiah showed up.
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  Why would God allow his son to die for such a wicked, vile, idolatrous nation?
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  Answer that question, replacement theologian. Why would God allow his son,
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  knowing that they had committed idolatry, knowing that they had violated their
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  covenant, their promise, especially as they came into the...
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  I'm not talking about the Abrahamic covenant. I'm talking about the Mosaic covenant.
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  And we'll talk about that a little bit in here in just a little bit.
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  But why would God allow his son to die for a nation like that?
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  Why would Jesus Christ look over Jerusalem and say, O Jerusalem,
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  Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, how oft I would have gathered you
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  together as a hen does her chicks, but ye would not.
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  Right? And why would Jesus Christ on the cross, his last words on the cross,
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  Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.
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  Help me understand that replacement theologian. Why would God allow his precious,
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  dear son die for such a wicked, vile, godless, depraved nation?
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  And then your argument today is like, well, look what Israel does.
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  How can they be the people of Israel?
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  What does that tell you? That tells you that people that make that comment or
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  have that mentality are extremely ignorant of their Bible.
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  They don't know how to connect the dots. So anyway, so let's just go do the
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  arguments and we'll kind of talk to them. Sounds good.
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  So the first argument, which I think, you know, it's kind of apparent,
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  their argument is that the church is the new or true Israel. Okay.
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  There's a lot of verses that they use as proof text for this.
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  But the claim is that the church has permanently replaced Israel as the recipient of God's covenants.
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  Right. They redefine Israel. So whenever you read Israel in the New Testament,
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  it actually means the church.
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  So that's why we say they conflate the church with Israel. They're mixing and matching.
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  It's an equivocation, right? They're saying the church is Israel and Israel is the church.
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  So they'll use passages like Galatians 6.16. I'll read it here.
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  This is where you read about the Israel of God. But in Galatians chapter 6,
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  let's see, Galatians chapter 6 and verse 16,
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  the Bible says, And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them
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  and mercy and upon the Israel of God.
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  That's one of the verses they'll use. So here's a problem with this,
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  okay? And I'll just say this. So we went through the fallacies, right?
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  What they do with this verse is they commit what's called a hasty generalization.
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  They'll take one obscure passage.
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  You know that Israel of God, that phrase, Israel of God, this is the only place
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  it shows up in your Bible. It doesn't show up anywhere else.
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  So they'll reinterpret the entire Bible off of this verse.
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  They say, oh, the church is now the Israel of God. Well, here's the problem.
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  The Bible doesn't say the church is the Israel of God. You know what the book
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  of Galatians is about? It's about Gentiles that get saved and Jews that get saved.
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  So these Christians, where there's neither Jew nor Greek, they become the Israel
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  of God because they are physically, literally,
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  ethnically—like if you go in the same book in Galatians, look at Galatians chapter
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  2. It'll show you something really interesting.
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  Galatians chapter 2, he says—let me find the verse here—,
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  So this is where Paul rebukes Peter, because Peter is with a bunch of,
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  he's with some Gentiles. Let's see.
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  He goes, verse 7, he says, But contrary to wives, when they saw that the gospel
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  of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, this is Paul, as the gospel of
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  the circumcision, the Jews, was unto Peter.
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  So Peter was still dealing with Jews, he was dealing with the Gentiles.
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  Verse 8, For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the
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  circumcision, the same was mighty in me towards the Gentiles.
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  And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace
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  that was given unto me, they gave to me in Barnabas the right hands of fellowship
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  that we should go into the heathen and then into the circumcision,
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  only that we would remember the poor, the same which I was also forward to do.
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  But when Peter was come to Antioch, I was stood him to the face because he was to be blamed.
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  For he, before, for before that certain came from James, so there's people from
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  James came to Peter, he did eat with the Gentiles. Peter was eating with the Gentiles.
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  But when they, these Jews that came from James, were come, he withdrew and separated
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  himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
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  So Peter became a respecter of persons. He goes, uh-oh, there's a bunch of Jews
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  coming. I can't let them see me hanging out with these Gentiles. See what he's doing?
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  And then the other Jews dissembled likewise with him.
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  So there was Jews that were with Peter and they go, oh man, if Peter's going
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  to separate himself from the Gentiles, then we should too.
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  See the problem? And then he says, insomuch that Barnabas was also carried away
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  with their dissimulation.
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  But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the
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  gospel, I said to Peter before them all, watch what he says.
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  If thou being a Jew, so he calls him a Jew, right? Right?
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  Livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews,
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  why compelest thou the Gentiles to live as the Jews?
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  So, he's basically rebuking him because of his hypocrisy, right?
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  Here's the verse. Look at verse 15.
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  He says, We who are what?
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  Jews by nature. See that? Did Paul just include himself in that group called
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  we who are Jews by nature?
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  Do you think that's a spiritual distinction or is he making a physical distinction
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  when he says Jews by nature?
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  That's a physical distinction. Yeah, it's a physical distinction.
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  He goes, we're physically Jews. We're blood-born Jews.
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  And you know what's interesting about that? Because there's these arguments
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  that go, well, you know, the term Hebrew and Jew and Israel, they're all distinct.
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  That's different people. well guess what he just said we are
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  jews they go well like the not the lost tribe
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  which are the the 10 northern tribes they're no longer jews
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  anymore you know what the problem is with that statement is peter
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  is from galilee he's a northern jew and you know what you know what you know
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  what paul is philippians chapter 3 he's of the tribe of benjamin he's a southern
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  jew uh-oh paul forgot to make a distinction between Northern Jews and Southern
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  Jews. Uh-oh, big mistake.
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  Why did he just include them as all being Jews by nature?
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  Jews by nature, that's in distinction.
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  There's no distinction made between northern Jews and southern Jews.
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  So you can't argue like, well, the 10 northern tribes that are lost tribes,
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  they're no longer Israel anymore. Oh, really?
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  And why is it when Paul, in Philippians chapter 3, he uses the term Hebrew,
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  Israel, and Jews interchangeably?
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  Somebody doesn't know how to read their Bible. Anyway, I'm getting off track,
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  but my point here is this.
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  When he says, we who are Jews by nature, Paul is saved.
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  Peter is saved at this point. This is after Acts 15.
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  He's saved. They're both saved by the blood of Jesus Christ.
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  Guess what? They're both part of the church.
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  Guess what? They're in Christ. There's neither Jew nor Gentile.
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  Why did he just call him a Jew by nature?
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  Why is it that Paul constantly refers to physical, ethnic, national distinctions
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  after the resurrection of Christ?
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  See, replacement theologians can't explain this because they have to force the
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  term Israel and Jew. They have to force it into their theological framework.
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  So that's why they go to Galatians 6.16 and go, well, you know,
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  the Israel of God, that's the new Israel.
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  There is no more Israel. then why is Paul making a distinction,
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  a physical, national, ethnic distinction about being a Jew after the fact that he saved?
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  Because the distinction still exists. That's what people, that's what they don't get.
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  Well, here's another. So Galatians 6, 16 is one verse. Another one is Romans 9. Romans 9.
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  Romans 9, chapter 9, verse 6, it says this.
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  Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For, watch what he says,
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  they are not all Israel which are of Israel. Uh-oh.
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  They're not Israel. He goes, they're physically born as Israelites, but they're not Israel.
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  Verse 7. neither because they are the seed of Abraham, so they're the seed of
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  Abraham, are they all children, but in Isaac shall thy seed be called.
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  Verse 8, that is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the
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  children of God, but the children of the promise. There you go.
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  There's a distinction that God just made.
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  If you're not, you have to be part of the children of the flesh or you're children
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  of the promise. There's a dichotomy.
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  Not everybody that's physically born of Abraham. Well, let me ask you a simple Bible question.
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  How many physical sons were born to Abraham before he died?
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  Ishmael, Isaac. That's it. Remember?
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  God, he was 99 years old. His wife, Sarah, was 90, and she was going to have a child.
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  And he tried to circumvent the promise and God, and because Sarah didn't have
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  a child, you know, what did Sarah tell them to do, tell Abraham to do.
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  Go have a child by Hagar, the Egyptian, right?
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  Ishmael was born. So Ishmael was a legitimate blood-born child of the flesh of Abraham, was he not?
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  Okay. Well, then guess what happens in Genesis chapter 22 after Isaac is born? Isaac is born.
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  God tells Abraham, I want you to go to a mountain that I'm going to tell you of.
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  And, you know, they go to the mountains and guess what? They go to the top of
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  the mountain and Isaac asks his dad, hey, you know, where's the lamb that we're supposed to sacrifice?
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  And what does Abraham say? Well, God will provide himself a lamb, right?
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  And you know what God told, commanded Abraham to do? I want you to take your
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  son, thine only son. Well, here's the problem.
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  Didn't Abraham have two sons? Right. So why did God only recognize Isaac as the true son?
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  Because Isaac was the promised child.
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  Hagar, the son he had with Hagar, Ishmael, was not the promised one.
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  So the distinction in Romans chapter 9 is not that, oh, well,
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  you know, God has gotten rid of Israel, because this is how the replacement
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  theologian reads it. Oh, God replaced Israel with the church.
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  That's what happened. No, no, no, no, no, no.
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  You're completely ripping the context out. God is making a distinction in Romans
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  9 of election, which is God's choice in his chosen people, not the church.
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  It has nothing to do with the church.
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  The entire chapter has nothing to do with the church.
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  He's basically telling him not every physical born son of Abraham was the son
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  of promise. Only Isaac was.
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  Okay? So that's why it's important to read your Bible. If you don't read the
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  Romans chapter 9 in context.
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  As a matter of fact, Romans 9, 10, and 11 are all about Israel.
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  It's about the restoration of Israel as a nation because God doesn't undermine his own promises.
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  So the other verse is 1 Peter chapter 2 and verse 9. 1 Peter chapter 2 and 9 says.
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  1 Peter chapter 2 and 9, 1 Peter chapter 2, verse 9, the Bible says,
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  But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation,
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  a peculiar people, that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called
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  you out of darkness into his marvelous light.
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  So he's talking about, you know, in verse 10, which in times past you were not
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  a people, but now you're the people of God, which did not obtain mercy.
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  Again, what they'll read is these are spiritual promises of the Gentiles being
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  grafted into the olive tree. The olive tree was Israel.
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  Because of Jesus Christ, because of our faith in Christ, we are now part of
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  the spiritual inheritance of Abraham's seed.
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  But guess what that does not argue for? It doesn't argue for a replacement.
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  Just because the church is engrafted in doesn't mean that we've replaced Israel.
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  There's no argument. There's no verse of scripture you can find in the entire
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  Bible that says the church replaced Israel. So here's the rebuttal.
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  Paul is obviously, if you look at Galatians 6, Romans 9, 1 Peter 2,
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  Paul in 1 Corinthians, he says this.
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  He says, we're not supposed to give offense to the Jews, nor the Gentiles,
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  nor the church of God, right?
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  Now, 1 Corinthians, is that a church epistle or is that before the resurrection
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  or is that an Old Testament epistle?
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  Church. Yeah, he's writing to the church at Corinth. which is a Greek church.
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  Which is a church full of Gentiles, right? So why is he still making distinction
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  between the Jews, the Gentiles, and the Church of God if there's no longer Jews?
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  It would be Muda at that point, if that was the case. So what he's doing is
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  proving that the distinction still exists after the resurrection of Christ,
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  after the birth of the church.
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  There's still a group of people called the Jews.
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  You may not like it. You may want to try to reinterpret that verse.
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  But again, every replacement theologian is going to do everything in their power
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  to do verbal gymnastics so that they can embrace their replacement theology
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  because they cannot accept what the scripture says.
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  It's not even implied. It's pretty explicit. Oh, it's very explicit.
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  The distinctions throughout scripture in the New Testament. Yep.
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  And you know what's interesting?
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  In Romans chapter 10, verse 1, you know what Paul does? He says,
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  I wish I were accursed for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh.
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  You cannot argue those are Gentiles.
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  Because he said he was a Hebrew of the Hebrews in Philippians 3.
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  He was born of the tribe of Benjamin.
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  He's appealing to his ethnic national identity as a Jew, right?
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  And then in Romans chapter 10, he says, he goes, I'll read, let me read the verse.
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  Because again, he keeps making this distinction as if there's still this group
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  called the Jews that still exist.
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  Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer for Israel is, watch,
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  that they might be saved.
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  So, if Israel there means the church, why is he praying for the church's salvation?
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  Good question. I mean, if you're saved, you're sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise.
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  You were circumcised and baptized into Christ. You become the church immediately upon belief.
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  So why is he arguing for the church to be saved in Romans 10.1,
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  but he's using the word, the term Israel?
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  Unless, and here's a thought, maybe I'm stretching it, maybe Israel actually means Israel.
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  Yeah, imagine that.
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  That means what he says. So, grammatically, the Israel of God in Galatians 6.16,
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  it's referring to the Jewish believers within the church.
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  They're still distinct from Gentile believers because if you look back at Galatians,
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  if I go back to Galatians again, that verse, Galatians 6,
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  it says, For as many as walk according to this rule, peace be unto them and
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  mercy upon the Israel of God.
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  Verse 15, he says this, For in Christ, watch, in Christ Jesus,
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  there is neither circumcision availeth nothing nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
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  So when he says that he's blessing and peace be upon the Israel of God,
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  he's talking about both the circumcised and uncircumcised believers.
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  Specifically, the circumcised believers are still Jews.
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  There's still an ethnic distinction being made.
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  So he's not, again, the church is the new Israel, a true Israel.
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  That's their argument. What are they doing? What's the principle being violated here?
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  They're destroying the distinct identity of Israel and the church,
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  which is constantly referred to by Paul after the resurrection of Christ.
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  So, they are ignoring the distinctions. This is why dispensationalists,
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  you know, are dispensationalists.
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  Because what we're doing is we're saying, oh, there's a distinction here.
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  I wonder if this distinction means exactly what it means.
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  There's a division. There's obviously a division between the church and Israel. Why?
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  Because dispensationalists believe that there is a program, a future program
• 37:38
  for the restoration of Israel. and it will come together at the millennium, right?
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  When David is sitting on his throne and Jesus Christ is also ruling and reigning on this earth.
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  He's going to restore Israel.
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  Look at Revelation chapter 20. What happens in Revelation chapter 20?
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  After a thousand years, the devil is bound in the pit. He comes out, right?
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  And what does he do? He still volunteers and gets like the number of the sand
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  of the sea upon the earth to come down upon the holy city. and it's still called the holy city.
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  It's called Jerusalem. And we talked about it before.
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  Why is it called the city of peace? Because that's where all wars will end.
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  Why is, why, you know, we believe in a literal fulfillment and future program for Israel.
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  And we believe that it's distinct from the church.
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  Okay. And this is, it's just over and over again, the explicit scriptures there.
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  So that's argument number one is they argue that the church is now new or true Israel.
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  No such thing in the Bible. Matter of fact, when they use Romans chapter 2 to
• 38:43
  argue that, you know, he that's spiritual is one that is, you know, is spiritual.
• 38:47
  He says, talks about a spiritual Jew, but we'll get that in just a minute.
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  But- Galatians 6.16 though, that's their anchor verse. That's one of them.
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  That's one of their proof texts.
• 38:56
  Romans 6.16, Romans 9.6-8, that he, you know, that not, you know,
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  he that's physical of Israel is not all of Israel, right? And then 1 Peter 2,
• 39:06
  9, a holy nation. Now we're a holy nation. They're no longer a holy nation.
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  But again, 1 Peter 2.9, he's talking about the royal priesthood of the believer,
• 39:15
  but the nation—this is again—and this is—1 Peter wrote his epistle after Pauline
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  doctrine was revealed to him.
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  So there are some tribulation passages and themes in 1 Peter,
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  but the key to remember is that 1 Peter is also talking about there are Pauline—there's
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  Pauline doctrine that's mixed throughout.
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  That's why the right hermeneutic is to rightly divide.
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  And our anchor point is always going to be Pauline doctrine.
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  So what you do is you find out where is Peter saying something that violates
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  something that Paul said.
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  And here's a good rule. Here's a good rule of thumb.
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  If you read something in your Bible, like, for example, Jesus tells you to cut
• 39:57
  off your hand because it offends you.
• 39:58
  But then you read about what Paul says that, hey, we're not fighting a physical
• 40:02
  battle. We're fighting a spiritual battle, right?
• 40:05
  That weapons of our warfare are not carnal, like taking a sword and cutting off your arm.
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  Well, if you read something like that in Matthew, here's the immediate conclusion
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  that must pertain and apply to a different dispensation, period.
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  That's the simplest way to do it. If you read passages that sounds like you have to keep the law,
• 40:29
  if you read passages that sounds like that you've got to do something physical
• 40:34
  in order to prove obedience or sanctification.
• 40:38
  You've got it you've got to say that you know that verse violates what paul
• 40:42
  said and if it violates what paul says your conclusion should always be that
• 40:47
  must belong to a different dispensation.
• 40:49
  Good rule of thumb. Yep. So, the argument number two, argument number two is
• 40:53
  that Israel forfeited, I can't read, forfeited, forfeited, forfeited,
• 40:59
  forfeited, forfeited, there it is, man, I just learned English today.
• 41:04
  That, okay, argument number two is Israel forfeited the covenants through unbelief, okay?
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  So, this is what that means. The assertion is that Israel lost her status and
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  the land promises because she rejected Christ and broke the conditional Mosaic covenant.
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  So, if I go to Matthew 21, Matthew chapter 21.
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  Let's see, Matthew chapter 21, Matthew 21 and verse 43, pages are sticking,
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  21, 43, says, therefore, say I unto you, the kingdom of God,
• 41:42
  watch what he says, shall be taken from you and given to a nation,
• 41:47
  bringing forth the fruits thereof.
• 41:49
  So he's telling the Jews, he said like, the kingdom of God, you guys lost the kingdom of God.
• 41:55
  Well, at this point, it's because the Jews essentially are fixing to crucify
• 42:00
  their Messiah and they've rejected the promise of the Messiah.
• 42:04
  Now, people don't understand that there's another opportunity given to them
• 42:08
  in the book of Acts and they fail that opportunity when they stone Stephen.
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  Okay. But they use this verse to show, okay, well, there you go.
• 42:17
  The kingdom of God was transferred to the church.
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  So what is wrapped up in that argument?
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  Well, then if all the kingdom promises to Israel now go to the church,
• 42:30
  that means the land promises, everything that God promised in the Old Testament,
• 42:36
  all of that stuff is now shifted and transitioned to the church.
• 42:39
  That's the argument being made.
• 42:40
  So the problem is, is when you read Romans 11, 29, the Bible specifically says
• 42:45
  that the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
• 42:49
  The gifts and calling of God. When you read Romans 11, matter of fact,
• 42:53
  there's several places in Romans.
• 42:54
  Romans is actually a very important book for a New Testament Bible believer to understand.
• 42:59
  But if you look at Romans, well, let me read a couple of passages here in Romans
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  just to kind of set the context.
• 43:05
  So at the end of Romans 2, where he talks about he's a Jew, which is one hourly and so forth.
• 43:10
  Then he says in chapter 3, verse 1, he says, What advantage then hath the Jew?
• 43:14
  Or what profit is there of circumcision? And he answers the question,
• 43:19
  Romans 3, 2, if you remember Paul being the lawyer, he says,
• 43:22
  much chiefly every way, much every way, I'm sorry, chiefly because that unto
• 43:27
  them, the Jews, were committed the oracles of God.
• 43:31
  They have a very specific benefit because they were given the scriptures.
• 43:36
  They were given the word of God. It wasn't given to the Babylonians,
• 43:39
  the Egyptians, the Philistines. It was given to the Jews, period, right?
• 43:43
  Well, if you go back to Romans chapter 9, same thing.
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  He says, verse 3, he says, For I could wish myself a curse from Christ for my
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  brethren, my kinsmen, according to the flesh, who are Israelites.
• 43:58
  Watch what he says. To whom pertaineth what? Number one, the adoption. Number two, the glory.
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  Number three, the covenants. Number four, the giving of the law.
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  Number five, the service of God, and number six, the promises.
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  Whose are the fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? And of whom,
• 44:14
  as concerning the flesh, Christ came, who is overall God-blessed forever.
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  So, there's a very specific benefit to being a physical Jew.
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  That is who the seed of the woman came through. That is who the Messiah,
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  the Savior of the earth came through, okay?
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  They were given the adoption. They were given the covenants.
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  They were given the glory, the service of God, the law, they were given all
• 44:36
  of that distinctly to the Jew, okay?
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  Now, the problem is, if you go back to, then if I go to Romans 11,
• 44:46
  the verse in question, Romans 11, the Bible says, for the gifts and calling
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  of God, this is verse 29, are without repentance.
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  That means there's no abrogation. There's no denial.
• 45:00
  This is an irrevocable promise that has nothing to do and is not conditioned upon their obedience.
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  This is Romans 11. This is after the church age started.
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  This is Paul, a saved Jew, who's writing to a bunch of Gentiles in Rome.
• 45:16
  And he says that the gifts and calling of God, this is what he says before.
• 45:19
  He goes, verse 25, For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of
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  this mystery. This is one of the mysteries we spoke about.
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  Lest ye be, you should be wise in your own conceits as Gentiles.
• 45:30
  He's telling them, you guys have the danger. you risk being wise in your conceit.
• 45:35
  He goes, that blindness in part is happened to Israel until.
• 45:42
  Well, what does that word until tell you? That it's temporary.
• 45:47
  This is not eternal. The church has not replaced Israel permanently.
• 45:51
  Because he says that basically Israel has been put on hold until the fullness
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  of the Gentiles become in.
• 45:58
  And verse 26, then he says this statement, this is an amazing statement.
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  And so all Israel shall be saved. So why would that, if you go in,
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  here's a good exercise, go into Romans chapter 11 and replace every time he
• 46:10
  says Israel, Jew, or Jew with the church. So let's read that as the church.
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  And so all church, all the church shall be saved after the fullness of the Gentiles come in.
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  No, the church is already saved. There's no future salvation of the church.
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  The church are the body of believers.
• 46:30
  So he says, and so all Israel shall be, that's a future timeframe,
• 46:35
  shall be saved as it is written. Then he tells you what it is.
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  There shall come out of Zion the deliverer who shall turn away ungodliness, uh-oh, from Jacob.
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  So are we supposed to replace the word Jacob with the church here?
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  Jacob means Israel because that's what his name was changed to.
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  The tribulation of Jeremiah is called the time of Jacob's trouble,
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  not the church's trouble.
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  So, for this is my covenant, watch unto them when I shall take away their sins.
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  Wait a minute, shall future tens take away their sins?
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  All my sins have been paid for in the cross of Calvary.
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  So, as concerning the gospel, watch, here's another one that's not going to make sense, verse 28.
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  As concerning the gospel, they, Israel Jacob, are enemies for your sake.
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  Okay, let's exchange that with the church. As concerning the gospel,
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  the church is the enemy for your sake. Really?
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  Please square that circle for me. How is the church the enemy to the gospel? It's not.
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  But as touching the election, ah, the election, it has nothing to do with some
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  elected few before the foundation of the earth that are going to heaven.
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  No, this election is the Israel.
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  As touching the election, they are beloved for the father's,
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  lowercase father's sake, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob.
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  For the gifts, then he says in verse 29, watch, for the gifts and calling of
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  God are without, without, without repentance.
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  All those promises, the promise of Zion or their deliverer, you know,
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  the deliverer coming out of Zion,
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  them being saved, washing away all their sins, future tense,
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  is a calling and a gift that is irrevocable. They're without repentance.
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  So the problem is Israel's violation of the conditional Mosaic law does not
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  annul the unconditional Abrahamic covenant.
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  And the reason why we say that, and let me read Galatians chapter 3,
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  but in Galatians chapter 3.
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  Paul is actually making a distinction. Again, distinctions are so important, man.
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  Things not the same, or what is it? Things different are not the same. Is that the old saying?
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  Yeah, there it is. Here's what it says in verse 17.
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  And he says, and I say that the covenant that was confirmed before of God in
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  Christ, the law, comma, the law, which was 430 years after.
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  After what? The covenant, which is the covenant of Abraham. That's what he's
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  speaking about in verse 16.
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  Now to Abraham and his seed are the promises made. And he says,
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  and I say that the covenant that was confirmed before God and Christ,
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  and then the law, which was 430 years after the covenant, it says.
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  Cannot disannul that it should make the promise of none effect.
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  For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more promise,
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  but God gave it to Abraham by promise. So what is he saying?
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  He's basically saying the Mosaic covenant cannot abrogate. It cannot undermine,
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  it does not disannul the Abrahamic covenant.
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  The Mosaic covenant is conditional.
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  When God let them go into the land of Canaan, he says, if you will obey my laws,
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  if you will keep these commandments, if you will do this, if,
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  and you know, he gave them 663 commandments in the Mosaic covenant.
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  You know what the condition was? That they would prosper in the land.
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  Let me read you something. I just read this this morning in Joshua.
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  He says this in Joshua chapter 1, he says, He says, Moses, my servant, is dead.
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  Chapter 1, verse 2. Moses, my servant, is dead. Now, therefore,
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  arise, go over this Jordan, thou and all this people.
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  Watch what he says. Unto the land which I do give them, even to the children of Israel.
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  Well, here's the thing. Is that a physical promise or is that a spiritual promise?
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  Yeah, he's literally telling them, I want you to go across that River Jordan.
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  What River Jordan? Oh, the spiritual River Jordan.
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  No, it's a physical river. They're looking at it. And he says this,
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  every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon.
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  He goes, that have I given unto you as I said unto Moses, not Abraham.
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  You've got to watch what the Bible's saying here. He's not talking about Abraham here.
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  Listen to the promises. From the wilderness of this Lebanon,
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  even unto the great river that you're ever rephrased, all the land of the Hittites
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  under the great sea towards the going down of the sun shall be your coast.
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  There shall not any man be able to stand before thee all the days of thy life.
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  As I was with Moses, he's referring to Moses constantly, so will I be with thee.
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  I will not fail thee nor forsake thee. Be strong and have a good courage.
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  For unto this people shall thou divide for an inheritance of the land which
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  I swear unto their fathers to give them.
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  Only be thou strong, very courageous, that thou mayest watch,
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  observe to do or according to all the law, which Moses, my servant, commanded.
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  Turn not from the right hand, nor to the left, that thou mayest prosper.
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  Now listen, I'm going to say that again. He goes, this is what God's telling Joshua.
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  Turn not from it, which is the law of Moses, to the right hand,
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  nor to the left. Why? What's the consequences?
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  That thou mayest prosper whithersoever thou goest That's the condition What's the condition?
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  If they obey the Mosaic Covenant, they're going to prosper He doesn't say,
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  if you disobey the Mosaic Covenant, you no longer have right to this land.
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  The Mosaic Covenant gave them the right to enjoy the land.
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  The Abrahamic Covenant gave them the right of ownership.
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  Distinctions, my friend, distinctions. Yeah.
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  If you fail to make the distinction between the Mosaic Covenant and the Abrahamic
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  Covenant, you will fall a victim to replacement theology every single time.
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  You go down this path and you just create a huge mess. like it gets bigger and
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  bigger the further down you go.
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  And yeah, the first argument in this argument here regarding the covenants,
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  it's just a dumpster fire at the end.
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  I mean, this is only the first two out of the six. That Israel forfeited the covenant.
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  Well, how do they forfeit an unconditional covenant?
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  Abraham. Oh, you have to conflate the Mosaic and Abrahamic covenant.
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  I get it. See the problem?
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  That's the strength of their argument. The strength of their argument is they
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  have to conflate and equivocate the Abrahamic and Mosaic covenants.
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  You have to ignore the distinctions and make them the same. A lot of our fundamentalist
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  friends do that with passages of scripture.
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  You know, oh, you know, the Old Testament looked forward to the cross and we
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  looked back to the cross.
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  That's equivocating. That's conflating. Shots fired. Okay, but here's the problem. That's true.
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  So Matthew 21, 43, it's a temporary administrative shift to a fruit-bearing
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  generation, which is the Gentiles in Christ, it's not a permanent abrogation
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  of the unconditional national promises.
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  There's nothing in these arguments, and at least the first two arguments that
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  we looked at, that abrogate or undermine or disannul the Abrahamic covenant.
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  And there's nothing in these two arguments that prove that the church has replaced Israel.
• 53:58
  You have to read that into the text so that it supports your theological disposition.
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  Have to. So, what's the principle being, you know, the first principle that
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  was being violated is they destroy the distinct identity of Israel and the church.
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  Well, what's the principle being violated here?
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  They destroy the distinction between the unconditional Abrahamic covenant and
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  the conditional Mosaic covenant.
• 54:23
  This is their strategy. This is how they operate. They have to operate this
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  way to support their theology.
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  I mean, you really, really have to stretch yourself, though.
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  And I suppose this is where you have to allegorize these things.
• 54:39
  You have to create an arbitrary approach to this type of theology in order to make it fit.
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  That's why I always, always argue, especially about Calvinism,
• 54:51
  is that it's not a biblical or hermeneutic.
• 54:54
  Hermeneutic just simply means the way you interpret and study the scriptures.
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  But Calvinism and replacement theology, which go hand in hand,
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  is not a biblical hermeneutic.
• 55:03
  What it is, it's a commitment to a theological framework, not what the Bible says.
• 55:10
  They have to read Calvinism into Scripture.
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  They have to read the five points of Calvinist theology into Scripture.
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  They have to read replacement theology into Scripture. They have to,
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  because they must maintain their commitment to their theological disposition.
• 55:30
  They have to. And they really double down on dispensationalism,
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  because that's really what undermines all of their arguments. Yeah.
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  And most of them can't articulate it correctly.
• 55:41
  They misrepresent dispensationalism.
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  So, the first argument is that the church is the new or true Israel.
• 55:49
  The second argument is Israel forfeited the covenants through unbelief.
• 55:53
  The third argument is that the covenants are fulfilled spiritually in Christ, not literally.
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  Okay? So, that they believe that the physical land promises, right?
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  They were only just types and shadows that are now fulfilled spiritually in
• 56:07
  Christ and the heavenly Jerusalem.
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  So, they'll take Hebrews 12, 22. Let me read that.
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  Hebrews chapter 12 and verse 22.
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  Hebrews 12.22, the Bible says, But ye are come unto Mount Zion and unto the
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  city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels.
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  So there's no more physical Jerusalem. It's a heavenly Jerusalem.
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  The physical Jerusalem is now basically defunct. It doesn't exist anymore.
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  There's no promises tied to that city.
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  Everything you read about Jerusalem in the future is only a type and picture
• 56:42
  and shadow. It's all fulfilled in heavenly Jerusalem.
• 56:45
  So that's one of them. And then, of course, Galatians 3.29, this is going to be regarding the seed.
• 56:51
  Galatians 3.29, the Bible says, And if ye be Christ's, watch,
• 56:56
  then ye are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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  Therefore, all the Abrahamic promises are now fulfilled in Christ.
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  And if you're a Gentile inside of Christ, you are now part of Abraham's seed.
• 57:08
  So all the Old Testament promises are now defunct.
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  Spiritualized. They cannot mean what they mean literally. They cannot.
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  This is why they'll admit it. They'll tell you. You cannot read,
• 57:23
  interpret the Bible literally.
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  If you're doing that, you're studying your Bible incorrectly.
• 57:28
  I've heard him say that straight from the horse's mouth.
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  1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians 1 and verse 20.
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  This is another verse. 2 Corinthians 1 and verse 20, the Bible says,
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  for all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him amen unto the glory of God by us.
• 57:49
  Again, they use these verses to show that all the Old Testament promises are
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  now fulfilled spiritually.
• 57:59
  They were never intended to be interpreted literally.
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  So that's, I just want to make sure that we understand the argument here.
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  So when you see those verses about a heavenly Jerusalem, everybody in Christ
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  is now part of Abraham's seed, and that all the promises are fulfilled in God
• 58:19
  spiritually, they do not mean what they mean literally.
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  Okay? So here's the problem. If I go back to Jeremiah, let's say Jeremiah chapter
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  31, the Bible says some very interesting stuff here. Now listen to what it says.
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  Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day.
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  I wonder if he's speaking figuratively here. It's a spiritual sun. Yep.
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  And the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night.
• 58:47
  Again, I wonder if those are just spiritual stars.
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  Or is he talking literally here? I mean, it's hard to say, right?
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  I mean, once you start throwing literal interpretation out of scripture,
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  there's no guardrails. There's no way to interpret.
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  Everything now becomes subjective. How do I know if this is a spiritual son or a physical son?
• 59:06
  Yeah, he's the arbiter of that too. I mean, who makes such determination?
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  Somebody for you? Yeah, it fails the arbitrary test. So here's the problem.
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  So he says, thus saith the Lord, verse 35, Jeremiah 31, 35.
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  Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day,
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  and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night,
• 59:26
  which divide the sea when the waves thereof roar, the Lord of hosts is his name. colon.
• 59:32
  He's going to continue the thought here, verse 36. If those ordinances,
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  what ordinances? The sun, the moon, the stars.
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  If those ordinances depart from before me, sayeth the Lord, watch,
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  then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation,
• 59:49
  a nation, a nation, a nation before me forever.
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  What is God admitting to here? He says, if you can get rid of the sun,
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  moon the stars, I'll get rid of the nation of Israel.
• 1:00:02
  Oh, that means the church. How do you figure? Well, those verses we gave you in the New Testament.
• 1:00:07
  So you're saying that this passage here is not literal then?
• 1:00:11
  See the problem? You start creating contradictions. And then verse 37,
• 1:00:15
  he says, Thus saith the Lord, if heaven above can be measured,
• 1:00:19
  if you can accurately measure the universe and the foundations of the earth
• 1:00:25
  can be searched out beneath,
• 1:00:26
  I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done,
• 1:00:31
  saith the Lord. Hmm, that seems like a problem.
• 1:00:34
  That almost sounds like God is guaranteeing that the nation of Israel will always exist in perpetuity.
• 1:00:43
  That's what it sounds like. Unless you can get rid of the sun,
• 1:00:45
  moon, and stars. But that's not happening.
• 1:00:47
  Well, good thing that's probably the only verse that says that.
• 1:00:49
  Oh, wait a minute. Let's go to Jeremiah chapter 33.
• 1:00:52
  Wait, there's more? Chapter 33. Let's look at this. Jeremiah chapter 33, look at verse 25.
• 1:00:58
  Thus saith the Lord, if my covenant be not with day and night,
• 1:01:02
  and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth, verse 26,
• 1:01:06
  then will I cast away the seed of Jacob and David, my servant,
• 1:01:11
  so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham,
• 1:01:14
  Isaac, and Jacob. Very specific, the fathers.
• 1:01:17
  For I will cause their captivity to return. Oh, there's going to be a return of their captivity?
• 1:01:22
  And have mercy on them. Hmm.
• 1:01:26
  Well, I wonder if the Bible says anything more about that. That's kind of a
• 1:01:29
  strange statement. Well, let's look at Malachi chapter 3. Malachi chapter 3.
• 1:01:34
  I mean, you understand that you have to throw these verses out.
• 1:01:37
  These verses cannot mean what they're saying.
• 1:01:41
  Malachi 3, verse 6, this is what God says, for I am the Lord, capital L-O-R-D.
• 1:01:47
  So when it's all caps like that, that's Jehovah God.
• 1:01:50
  I am the Lord, watch, I change not, therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
• 1:01:57
  God just said his immutable existence, his unchanging, invariable existence
• 1:02:04
  as God Almighty guarantees the existence of the sons of Jacob.
• 1:02:09
  As long as he is there, they are there. That's essentially what he's saying.
• 1:02:12
  So, if the covenants are fulfilled spiritually and there's no longer a physical
• 1:02:18
  Israel and a physical nation, then these promises either have to be,
• 1:02:22
  they cannot be literal or they're untrue.
• 1:02:26
  Or they failed. Remember Romans 11, 29, the gift of calling of God without repentance.
• 1:02:33
  Yeah. It cannot be allegorized. So here's the thing. I wonder if this is the
• 1:02:37
  only verse. Oh, wait a minute. There's more.
• 1:02:40
  Isaiah chapter 66 and verse 2. Isaiah 66 and verse 2.
• 1:02:45
  Isaiah chapter 66 and verse 2.
• 1:02:48
  I'm sorry if I get frustrated and sarcastic here because I'm so sick and tired
• 1:02:53
  of replacement theologians lying to the people of God.
• 1:02:57
  And I'm so tired of this Laodicean church age that don't know how to pick up
• 1:03:02
  their Bible and study it.
• 1:03:04
  This is why Christians today are falling into this replacement theology junk.
• 1:03:09
  But listen, Isaiah 66, here's what he says. Verse 2, he says,
• 1:03:14
  I'm sorry, Isaiah chapter 66 and verse...
• 1:03:19
  You must be looking through your complex note system with arrows pointing everywhere.
• 1:03:24
  Yeah, something like that.
• 1:03:26
  Where is it? I know it's the end of this chapter. Hold on.
• 1:03:28
  Verse of the new heavens, new earth, shall she see. Oh, there it is.
• 1:03:31
  Verse 22. 22, not two. My bad. I need to put another two on that.
• 1:03:35
  So for as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make,
• 1:03:38
  right, shall remain before me.
• 1:03:40
  That sounds awfully a lot like Revelation 22.
• 1:03:43
  For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make,
• 1:03:47
  shall remain before me, saith the Lord, watch, so shall your seed and your name.
• 1:03:54
  I wonder who he's talking about. Oh, verse 20, the children of Israel.
• 1:03:58
  So shall your seed and your name remain.
• 1:04:02
  That means after the heavens and the earth have been dissolved and he makes
• 1:04:07
  a new heaven and a new earth, he's guaranteeing the existence of Israel.
• 1:04:12
  How do you explain that? You can't.
• 1:04:15
  He means what he says. Well, maybe that's the only verse. Oh, wait a minute.
• 1:04:19
  Amos 9, 14. Amos 9 and verse 14.
• 1:04:26
  I know it's in the Old Testament or it's in the New Testament. It's one of the two.
• 1:04:29
  Amos holding on to too many pages here,
• 1:04:34
  Amos we like the bible sound the page is turning am I alright Hosea this is
• 1:04:42
  a newer bible so my pages are stuck together it's crisp.
• 1:04:47
  That's our signature sound, you know, the immutable word. That's right.
• 1:04:50
  Immutable word. There you go.
• 1:04:53
  Okay, 9. Okay, Amos chapter 9 and verse 14 and 15.
• 1:04:58
  Amos 9, 14, 15. The Bible says this, And I will bring again the captivity of
• 1:05:03
  my people Israel, and they shall build the waste cities and inhabit them.
• 1:05:07
  They shall plant vineyards, and they shall drink the wine thereof.
• 1:05:11
  They shall also make the gardens and eat the fruit of them, and I will plant
• 1:05:15
  them upon their land. their land, their land, and they shall no more be pulled
• 1:05:21
  up out of their land, which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God.
• 1:05:26
  Hmm. I wonder if that literally means what that means.
• 1:05:30
  And again, we read Romans 11, 29, all Israel is going to be saved.
• 1:05:34
  The gifts of calling of God are without repentance.
• 1:05:38
  So the problem with this is that the scriptures tell us that That God links
• 1:05:45
  Israel's physical national existence to the permanence of the sun, the moon, and the stars.
• 1:05:51
  He links their physical national existence to his own existence,
• 1:05:56
  his own divine nature as a being.
• 1:06:00
  He guarantees a physical future, and he refers constantly to Abraham,
• 1:06:06
  Isaac, and Jacob, which connects it back to the Abrahamic covenant,
• 1:06:09
  which is connected to the land. Right.
• 1:06:13
  So, spiritual fulfillment in
• 1:06:14
  Israel does not exhaust or negate the literal details of these prophecies.
• 1:06:19
  So, the problem, and again, if anybody knows anything about prophecy,
• 1:06:25
  is prophecy is always literal.
• 1:06:27
  Luke 24, when he's on the road to Emmaus with the two disciples.
• 1:06:34
  And of course, you know what he does? he rebukes them because,
• 1:06:36
  you know, they're freaking out over the crucifixion, the burial of three days
• 1:06:41
  in the tomb, and then the resurrection.
• 1:06:43
  And he says, oh fools and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have
• 1:06:48
  spoken. That's what he said.
• 1:06:50
  He's rebuking them for not literally accepting what the prophets have prophesied.
• 1:06:57
  You see that? It's a literal, they deny the literality of those prophecies.
• 1:07:04
  He's not telling them, oh, you guys, well, you know, you just accepted them spiritually speaking.
• 1:07:09
  No, no, no, no, no. They rejected the literal fulfillment of those prophecies.
• 1:07:15
  Prophecy is always literal. So, here's the problem. The spiritual fulfillment
• 1:07:19
  of the church has nothing to do
• 1:07:21
  with the entity or the ethnicity or the nationality of Israel. never does.
• 1:07:27
  The church, again, remember we studied the mystery, is it's inserted as a parenthesis in the timeline.
• 1:07:33
  It doesn't cancel the overall prophetic program for national Israel,
• 1:07:38
  but it's interrupted until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.
• 1:07:43
  That's what the Bible tells us. And the only thing that makes sense is that
• 1:07:47
  Israel is not the church, and
• 1:07:49
  Israel and the church has not fulfilled the covenants of God spiritually.
• 1:07:55
  So, what's the principle that's being violated with this argument is a denial
• 1:08:00
  of the literal grammatical historical hermeneutic.
• 1:08:03
  You read your Bible, you trust it for what it says. That means you as an individual
• 1:08:09
  believer can read your Bible without a priest interpreting it or a church interpreting
• 1:08:14
  it for you or a theological disposition.
• 1:08:17
  You can literally believe what the scripture is saying exactly how it says it.
• 1:08:22
  So that's the argument is the covenants are fulfilled spiritually, not literally.
• 1:08:28
  So that's, Again, the argument is defunct because it doesn't mean what it basically means.
• 1:08:35
  Yeah, pretty clear as day. So we're three arguments in now.
• 1:08:40
  So we, just a quick recap here. So argument one, the church is the new or true Israel.
• 1:08:47
  The principle is that the distinct identity of Israel and the church will be destroyed.
• 1:08:50
  It was destroyed, sorry. The
• 1:08:52
  argument number two is Israel forfeited the covenants through unbelief,
• 1:08:57
  where the principle is unconditional nature of the Abrahamic covenant which
• 1:09:01
  was covered and then this one here was the covenants are fulfilled spiritually
• 1:09:05
  not literally as our argument but the principle here is literal grammatical historical.
• 1:09:11
  Hermeneutic did I say that right?
• 1:09:13
  Hermeneutic yeah Hermeneutic okay there we go yep so we got three more arguments
• 1:09:20
  to go I was going to suggest since we're over we're over an hour in we could
• 1:09:25
  slice it off here and then continue with a follow-on.
• 1:09:29
  The next 10, yeah, we could do that. The next 15, yeah.
• 1:09:33
  Yeah, no, that's fine. We could pick up again. But I just want to,
• 1:09:36
  you know, I want to stress just
• 1:09:38
  kind of as a, you know, kind of to summarize and tie it off of the bow.
• 1:09:45
  What I'm hoping is that our listeners are seeing that in order to get engaged
• 1:09:50
  or fall into this trap that the church is now Israel, and Israel,
• 1:09:55
  even modern-day Israel today, is no longer really Israel,
• 1:09:57
  you have to toss out your Bible.
• 1:10:00
  You have to ignore what your Bible plainly says, and you have to take obscure
• 1:10:04
  verses, and you've got to reinterpret them so they fit your theological hermeneutic
• 1:10:11
  or method of study or interpretation.
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  You have to. That's the only way you can make these arguments stand fast.
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  So people like, that's why, you know, we talked about in episode 14 about Tucker
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  Carlson and Candace Owens is political pundits are not theologians and theologians
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  are not Bible students a lot of times.
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  What we need to be is just to be a Bible believer and literally,
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  you can believe your Bible without having to change it, reinterpret it,
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  run to the Greek or the Hebrew, or try to force it into a theological hermeneutic.
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  You don't have to do that. All you got to do is do exactly what God said and to rightly divide.
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  That means in order to rightly divide, you need to identify the distinctions.
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  And when you study out those distinctions, you have to come to conclusions that
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  fit what the Bible is saying.
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  Because if your conclusions force you to reinterpret the passage,
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  spiritualize the passage, or make it fit whatever your church's or pastor's
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  teaching is, then you've got the wrong hermeneutic.
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  Period. The only right interpretation of Scripture is the one that allows Scripture to interpret itself.
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  We've said that before, and we will say that over and over again.
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  So what I would say to that guy that commented, yeah, we deleted your comments
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  because it was basically unfruitful.
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  I'm telling you right now that you are dead wrong. You have no idea what your scripture is saying.
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  You have to commit yourself to this hermeneutic that you're so faithful to,
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  you're going to be blinded by what the scriptures actually say.
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  And any hermeneutic that makes
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  Israel an enemy of God is one that's perpetuated by the devil. I'm sorry.
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  It's a devilish wisdom. the devil was told in Genesis 3 that the head of his
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  seed would be bruised by the heel of the woman's seed, which is Jesus Christ.
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  Therefore, the devil, since the Garden of Eden, has been on a rampage to destroy that Jew.
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  You see it with Pharaoh trying to destroy the children of Israel in Exodus 1 and 2.
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  You see it with Herod and them trying to destroy the children after the birth
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  of Christ, it's because that devil wanted to do everything he could to destroy the seed of God.
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  He had Balaam convince Balak, the king, to mix and hybridize the seed of Israel
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  so that he could try to destroy again the seed.
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  That's why the devil sent angels, the sons of God, to cohabitate with women
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  in Genesis 6, because why?
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  He wanted to destroy the seed.
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  And if you can't see that, that you're blind as a bat going in backwards.
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  You know what I mean? And that, you know, so whoever you are,
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  you, you know, replacement theologian, you, you armchair theologian,
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  read your Bible, man, throw away your stupid theology books and your commentaries
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  and just read your Bible and believe what it says and learn how to rightly divide.
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  And for you Christians, you know, have, you know, have some sense about you
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  where you can read your Bible instead of having to read and interpret it the
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  way another person reads it.
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  You ought to do is just sit down and believe God for what he says.
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  And, you know, if you read some kind of a study that forces you to throw out
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  half your Bible and say, oh, that doesn't really mean what it means,
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  then you ought to really examine your belief system.
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  Do you actually believe the words of God or do you believe the words of men?
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  So anyway, I'm kind of upset about this whole thing.
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  I've been kind of frustrated just because I get so sick and tired of it because
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  I see comment after comment after comment.
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  And some of these are King James only Bible believers that are saying this kind of stuff.
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  It's really frustrating. And that's really frustrating, yeah.
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  Or at least they claim to be King James Bible believers.
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  Yep. But, you know, we've said it before, like, you gotta read your Bible, you gotta know it.
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  You gotta be able to, you know, Satan uses this stuff to mess Christians up, mess people up.
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  It's becoming so prevalent, especially in the social media space,
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  and Christians are just falling right into it because they don't know their
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  bible they don't know to rightly divide
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  and you see people fall victim to
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  it all the time so this is why listeners should stick around we got three more
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  to go what's probably going to happen this week is you might have to take this
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  one on the road and you got to leave for a work trip and so we might do that
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  if not i have an old episode like i would like to relaunch that's not available
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  right now so either way we're going to have something,
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  but stick around for the last three arguments to complete the cycle.
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  And I think this is really, really important for Christians to know.
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  Yeah. And if you guys have any questions.
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  Us finish the arguments. We might answer your question.
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  But if we don't, after we've covered all six arguments, you know,
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  absolutely feel free to email us anything that you need.
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  And, you know, we'd be happy to kind of put these verses together and,
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  you know, highlight it and get you the show notes as well.
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  So we just want to try to help believers just trust what God said,
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  trust that the Bible is exactly what it says it is, and that we can trust it in its plain sense.
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  We don't have to reinterpret anything and stay away.
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  When you hear supersessionism, replacement theology, Calvinism,
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  Catholicism, when you hear those terms being thrown out and you start hearing
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  that Israel isn't Israel and the modern state of Israel, the Christian has never
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  promised to pray for Israel and so forth and so on,
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  that get away from those people as fast as you can and get in your Bible.
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  That's what I would suggest. Yep. Yep.
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  Good advice. All right. We'll circle back either next week or the following week to finish this out.
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  Theimmutableword at gmail.com if you have any questions or leave a comment,
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  like or dislike. Either way, we like the interaction.
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  And hopefully we'll see you next week, Lord willing. Yep. Thanks.