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The Meditation Practice That Changed His Life Forever | Stuart Perrin on Chakras, Kundalini & Spiritual Awakening · Willow Healing Matters Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: Hi everyone,
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  it's Catherine Crestani with another episode of Willow Healing
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  Matters and today I
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  SPEAKER_00: am joined by the delightful Stuart Perrin.
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  So he's an American spiritual teacher of Rudra meditation and
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  he has been teaching
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  SPEAKER_00: around the world for over 40 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: In his early years in the search of a spiritual teacher,
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  SPEAKER_00: he spent time in Europe and North Africa.
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  SPEAKER_00: When he met Swami Devan, the trajectory of his life changed.
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  Rudy showed him a meditation technique that developed the
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  chakra system and made
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  the esoteric into something practical Stuart now teaches Rudra
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  meditation in the US
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  and internationally on Zoom and he holds bi-monthly retreats he
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  has written and
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  published many books about meditation and spiritual practice
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  including Rudra
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  meditation transforming life's tension into joy and love a
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  lotus flower in muddy
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  SPEAKER_00: waters navigating the river of time moving on
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  Finding Happiness in a Changed World and Leah A Story of
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  Meditation and Healing so
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  a big welcome to the show Stuart and I'm really excited to have
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  you here well thank
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  you thank you it's a joy to do this and I think we're gonna
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  have a good time I feel
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  that too and I love that you are sharing a practice of
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  meditation I love that
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  you're sharing a form of meditation through the Rudra
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  meditation that encompasses
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  SPEAKER_00: the chakra system because so often
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  People think they have to be separate,
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  but really they can easily work together.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, they do work together, Catherine.
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  SPEAKER_01: They really do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Look,
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  SPEAKER_01: when I was a young man,
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  I went through some very traumatic experiences and I was
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  looking for something that
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  SPEAKER_01: would enable me to connect with a higher energy in the universe,
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  SPEAKER_01: but to live a practical life.
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  SPEAKER_01: I realized even as a young man, I realized we have karma.
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  We weren't born on the earth for nothing We have a purpose for
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  living here and we
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  have to learn how to connect with spirit and how to use that
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  connection and that
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  energy and that shakti that flows into a human being
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  practically in the world and
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  as I spent nine years looking for a teacher when I was younger
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  and I would hear
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  SPEAKER_01: love,
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  peace and eat vegetables and I would hear chant mantras and I
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  would hear all this
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  SPEAKER_01: kind of stuff
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  SPEAKER_01: And I would say to teachers, how do I get my mind to shut up?
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  SPEAKER_01: How do I get my emotions to get quiet?
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  SPEAKER_01: How do I master the intense sexual energy I feel all the time?
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  SPEAKER_01: How do I learn to stop the local insane asylum from driving me crazy?
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  SPEAKER_01: And the insane asylum was me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I never got an answer.
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  Well,
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  you know,
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  you have to chant,
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  you have to do this,
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  you have to do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I spent,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  a long time looking for somebody who could connect me with
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  spirit and enable me to
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  SPEAKER_01: function consciously in the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't know what I, I mean, I read about chakras.
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  SPEAKER_01: I really didn't understand them.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was a very esoteric term when I was younger.
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  And when I discovered that in order to do what I'm looking for,
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  I have to develop a system
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  SPEAKER_01: energy centers inside myself called chakras.
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  SPEAKER_01: And my teacher, Rudy, told me, Stuart, they're just psychic muscles.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you don't develop them and work them, it's like physical muscles.
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  If you don't go to the gym,
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  if you don't work out,
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  if you don't exercise,
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  they atrophy.
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  SPEAKER_01: The chakra system in most people have atrophied.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then they are left with what?
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  SPEAKER_01: Tensions.
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  The Mind Doesn't Shut Up The Emotions It's Like A Swampland You
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  Know And They Have
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  To Deal With That Tension Because They Have No Ability Or No
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  Knowledge About How To
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  Transform The Tension Into A Spiritual Life Or Even Into Forget
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  About A Spiritual
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  Life Learning How To Function Here Like A Human Being You Know
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  Because I Learned
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  SPEAKER_01: Early On Catherine
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  SPEAKER_01: People that have developed the highest levels of their humanity.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what do I mean by that?
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  SPEAKER_01: They live with love.
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  SPEAKER_01: They live with compassion.
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  SPEAKER_01: They live with joy.
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  SPEAKER_01: They have forgiveness for other people.
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  They're not judging everybody in the world according to their
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  idea of what's real
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  SPEAKER_01: and what's not real.
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  People that live that way have developed the highest levels of
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  their humanity.
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  SPEAKER_01: And a spiritual life is a snap.
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  We have finally figured out why we were born on the earth and
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  we have truly
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  SPEAKER_01: mastered our karma by just learning to live with our hearts open,
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  SPEAKER_01: learning to live with love,
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  SPEAKER_01: joy.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I said to Rudy, I said, well, how do you do this?
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  He sat me down and he showed me a breathing technique and he
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  pointed out something
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: He said to me, Stuart, there is a root, a foundation inside you.
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  There's a chakra right below the navel that's the very core of
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  your being.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is the foundation.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that chakra needs to be developed.
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  And he told me,
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  he said,
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  look,
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  Stuart,
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  you can't build a building without a foundation.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean, I remember I've talked about this a lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: I spent time in Cairo.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I went to the pyramids, you know, that are in the suburbs of Cairo.
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  And you look at this pyramid and this extraordinary structure
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  that looks like it
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  SPEAKER_01: was built by aliens,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's so unbelievably powerful.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the foundation is huge and it goes like this.
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  And the third eye or the top is like a tiny one brick,
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  but the foundation is huge.
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  SPEAKER_01: Spiritual energy is very powerful energy.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: in the Bhagavad Gita,
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  SPEAKER_01: when Krishna talks,
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  SPEAKER_01: reveals himself to Arjuna,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's as if the light of a thousand suns suddenly manifests in the sky.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's energy beyond all human comprehension.
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  In order to absorb that energy and to make it palpable to
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  living every day,
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  SPEAKER_01: we need to build foundation.
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  And this is the thing that's missing with almost every form of
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  meditation.
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  SPEAKER_01: People would say, focus on the third eye.
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  SPEAKER_01: They would tell me, listen to your breathing.
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  And I would try these things and I was basically kind of
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  spacing myself out.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when I began to learn how to bring my mind,
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  SPEAKER_01: the energy of mind,
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  SPEAKER_01: not the thinking process,
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  SPEAKER_01: but the energy of mind to the chakra below the navel,
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  I suddenly began to feel a power inside myself that I didn't
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  even know existed.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was like, it's like martial arts, you know?
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: the people that study Aikido,
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  SPEAKER_01: Karate,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: all the Kung Fu,
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  SPEAKER_01: they're taught about Qi.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're taught about the Hara, the Tatian inside them.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is the chakra I'm talking about.
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  SPEAKER_01: The power,
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  SPEAKER_01: the base,
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  SPEAKER_01: the lotus base that the Buddha sits on,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is the foundation of all the teachings.
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  and that has to be developed inside that gives you the strength
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  to do two things
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  three things first of all to connect with spirit a light of a
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  thousand suns totally
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  incomprehensible energy to bring it in the Shakti to bring it
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  in to oneself
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  SPEAKER_01: secondly to work out one's karma you know life is a very powerful energy
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  SPEAKER_01: Life is an energy also beyond all human comprehension.
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  SPEAKER_01: People have been trying to figure it out for a million years now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nobody has.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we need to be able to connect with spirit.
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  SPEAKER_01: We need to be able to live in the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the third element is the force of Kundalini.
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  SPEAKER_01: Kundalini is the pathway to enlightenment.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when the Kundalini is activated, it is a very powerful energy also.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's the energy in which the human transforms itself into the divine,
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  SPEAKER_01: into the spirit inside a human being.
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  And the energy rises up the spine and connects with the soul of
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  the universe.
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  SPEAKER_01: We need to be very strong inside to receive spiritual energy,
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  SPEAKER_01: live in the world,
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  SPEAKER_01: and to be free of the world.
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  And when I met Rudy,
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  he was the first teacher who ever showed me how to do this.
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  SPEAKER_01: and I was completely blind.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this is exactly what I am looking for, how to do this.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then my entire life began to change.
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  SPEAKER_01: My mind started getting quiet.
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  SPEAKER_01: My emotions started getting quiet.
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  I was able to deal with and transform my sexual energy into
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  something positive
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  SPEAKER_01: instead of making me crazy all the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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  all of these energies began to change and I began to live as a
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  conscious human
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  SPEAKER_01: being in the world.
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  but I needed to learn how to master the chaos and the exercise
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  that Rudy taught me
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  taught me how to master the chaos and he told me he said Stuart
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  meditation is not a
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  religion it's not a cult it's a craft meditation is something
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  you have to learn and
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  SPEAKER_01: by mastering the craft you begin to build a system that connects you to
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  work out your karma and get your freedom I love how you explain
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  that Stuart it was
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  so perfect but I also love that you talk about the chakras as
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  like your spiritual
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  muscles because and I was really guilty I still am sometimes
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  where I'll disconnect
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  SPEAKER_00: from my lower chakras because I spend so much time
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  SPEAKER_00: up in the ethers,
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  but then it throws me off balance and then I can't anchor
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  anything into this realm
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  SPEAKER_00: because I'm too busy up the top.
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  SPEAKER_00: So like you said,
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  you have to really build those foundations and make them really
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  strong because if
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  SPEAKER_00: you don't do that,
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  then it's really hard for you to be connected in your human
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  form and you know we
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  chose to incarnate as a human for a reason to go through those
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  human experiences so
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  we really need to learn those practices to allow ourselves to
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  like you said quiet
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  SPEAKER_00: our minds and get stronger
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  SPEAKER_00: with our connection with that.
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  And I love that you talked about it's it strengthens and gets
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  stronger because even
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  SPEAKER_00: for example,
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  SPEAKER_00: for me,
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  SPEAKER_00: when I channel when I when I started channeling,
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  I would have to set up the room and be in my space and drop in
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  and close my eyes
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  SPEAKER_00: and I had to record and then one day I could leave my eyes open.
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  And then I didn't even and then one day it was just like,
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  oh,
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  I'm just connected.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I don't have to do that whole ritual anymore.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it was because you did all the groundwork to make those foundations.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, I did the groundwork to make those foundations really strong.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I could connect really quickly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm still doing stuff to keep making that connection even stronger.
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  but I still am aware that I need to go out like yesterday I
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  spent the day barefoot
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  walking on the ground to help anchor in my lower chakras to
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  help pull down my earth
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  chakra which is a whole other story but you know to help
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  balance those out because
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  a lot of people underestimate how important our energy centers
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  actually are the
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  lower chakras are the key to building a holistic chakra system
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  we need to be
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  SPEAKER_01: grounded I wrote a book called Navigating the River of Time
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  SPEAKER_01: And in the book,
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  SPEAKER_01: I've said this in a lot of these podcasts,
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  SPEAKER_01: but in the book I talk about a tree.
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  If the tree has strong roots,
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  healthy roots,
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  a hurricane is not going to blow it down.
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  SPEAKER_01: People live in the world without the roots, without the foundation.
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  SPEAKER_01: Life itself becomes a hurricane that is completely different.
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  you know uprooting their tree of life inside the tree that
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  exists inside them the
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  foundation there's no foundation inside them so life itself
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  uproots them and when
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  you build that foundation yeah there's going to be positive
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  there's going to be
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  negative there's going to be things wrong there's going to be
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  things we like and
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  SPEAKER_01: don't like that you know that drive us but we have the strength
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  SPEAKER_01: to be able to not allow those things to throw us off balance,
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  SPEAKER_01: not to close our heart,
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  SPEAKER_01: not to get all crazy in the head with trying,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: angry and upset and,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: et cetera,
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  SPEAKER_01: et cetera.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we need to learn how to do this.
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  SPEAKER_01: This takes practice, takes time, and it takes a lot of work.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: I used to go to,
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  SPEAKER_01: I studied with Rudy for six years,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I used to go to his classes all the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: He
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: I also,
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: he basically couldn't keep me away from him because I had found a source,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: it was extraordinary.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he had an Asian art gallery,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: where he's,
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  I would go there all the time and I would sit with him and I
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  would take the Shakti
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  SPEAKER_01: and I would take the energy that I needed for my life.
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  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, I understood how important it is to have a mentor.
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  SPEAKER_01: Somebody who's willing to guide you,
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  SPEAKER_01: who's willing to get on the raft with you,
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  SPEAKER_01: go over the Whitewater River and guide you,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: to a place where you find that peace inside yourself.
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  And he was the person I was looking for when I started when I
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  was 16 years old.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I needed to find somebody like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think people have to,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: I would sit in Rudy's store and people with clients would come in
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  SPEAKER_01: and he would say, can I help you with something?
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  SPEAKER_01: And generally the response was, we're just looking.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're looking.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't believe it because I'd look at Rudy,
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  SPEAKER_01: all I saw was light coming out of him,
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  SPEAKER_01: energy,
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  SPEAKER_01: Shakti,
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  SPEAKER_01: healing,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: energy.
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  And people were just looking and they're just looking and
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  looking and looking.
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  SPEAKER_01: And one day, you know, they go through enough
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: trauma and difficult experiences that,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: they have to find something that works.
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  Or we could take 100 incarnations until they find that thing,
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  you know,
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  or they could find it.
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  I mean I found that I thought by accident you know I had been
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  living in Paris I'm
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  living in Europe and I was broke I had no money I called a
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  friend of mine in New
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  York and I said can you send me a plane ticket I want to get
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  back to the States I
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  need to get a job I need to start working and he sent me a
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  plane ticket I went back
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  to the States I was living on the floor of his apartment you
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  know I had nothing I
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  SPEAKER_01: was really I was 25 years old I
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  and he said to me one evening let's go out and have some dinner
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  I said yeah okay
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  you know so there was a Mideastern restaurant we really liked
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  in Greenwich Village
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  we're walking on 7th Avenue South and we come to an Oriental
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  art shop and looking
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  in the window and there are all these Buddhas and Tibetan
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  tankas and paintings and
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  you know museum stuff most of it was very expensive and my
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  friend said well why
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  SPEAKER_01: don't we go in there and look
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  SPEAKER_01: So I said to him, Charlie, you know, I'm broke.
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  SPEAKER_01: What am I going to do in there?
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  SPEAKER_01: He said, you love this stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I did.
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  SPEAKER_01: I really was very connected to Asian art when I was younger.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I said,
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  SPEAKER_01: when in the door,
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  SPEAKER_01: standing in this door,
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  SPEAKER_01: I saw this man and like a magnet,
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  SPEAKER_01: I was attracted to him.
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  And he started showing me pictures of himself studying with an
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  Indian guru in India.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mommy.
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  And he said to me,
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  if you want to come study with me,
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  come back here tomorrow at five o'clock.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I couldn't believe it,
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: because it related to another experience I had,
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  SPEAKER_01: and that was when my father died.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: and I looked at this Rudy and I said,
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'd never seen energy like that coming out of anybody.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: And the day my father died, I saw a serenity in him
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: It was unbelievable.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: He was lying there in bed, totally serene.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: He had let go of everything in the world.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: And his nurse told me to her experience,
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: just before people die,
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: they undergo this state of total serenity.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: And when I looked at Rudy,
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: I saw the same light coming out of him,
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: except he was completely alive.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: I saw a vibrancy and an energy in him that I'd never seen before.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we left,
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: we went back,
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: after we had dinner,
• 18:06
  we went back to this friend of mine's apartment and we went out
• 18:09
  and we met a guy on
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: the stairwell and said,
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: why don't you come into my apartment and have some tea with us,
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: with me?
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: And we said, okay, great.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: We went into his apartment.
• 18:19
  Catherine,
• 18:19
  he had about a half a million dollar Oriental art collection in
• 18:23
  this apartment.
• 18:25
  And he was living in a tenement,
• 18:27
  I'm talking bathroom,
• 18:28
  in the $40 a month apartment then.
• 18:31
  Bathtub in the kitchen,
• 18:32
  toilet in the hall,
• 18:34
  you know,
• 18:34
  railroad flat,
• 18:36
  and udas and paintings.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: I said, where did you get all this stuff?
• 18:41
  He said,
• 18:42
  there's a guy in Greenwich Village named Rudy,
• 18:45
  who I met an hour before.
• 18:48
  And I said to myself,
• 18:49
  Stuart,
• 18:50
  you know,
• 18:51
  you've been making yourself crazy the last nine years.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: The gods are talking to you.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: You have to listen.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I went down to see him the next day.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: and he showed me this exercise which was exactly what I was looking for.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: How to connect with the spirit.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: How to live in the world.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: How to activate Kundalini.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: And it was a miracle but it wasn't a miracle.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: I was ready.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: I finally had made myself nuts.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: I was so ready to find somebody to teach me this that he manifested me.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then about a year later I said to him, Rudy, what happened then?
• 19:31
  he said Stuart I saw you looking in the window of my gallery
• 19:34
  and it was like seeing
• 19:36
  my son lost in the universe and I just pulled you right in the
• 19:39
  door so beautiful
• 19:40
  that is so beautiful but I also love all the synchronicities
• 19:45
  right like what were
• 19:46
  the chances that he was in well it's all divine timing and
• 19:51
  planning sometimes right
• 19:52
  like you can't you can't make it up I like to say you know I
• 19:56
  walked past that
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: gallery 500 times in New York I never went in
• 20:01
  a friend of mine told me about Rudy and about two years before
• 20:08
  I met him and I
• 20:10
  never went in there and that day I was ready I needed to find
• 20:14
  something there were
• 20:16
  no accidents I was ready I was pulled in the door and it
• 20:20
  transformed my life
• 20:21
  changed my life it didn't change my life on day one I was
• 20:27
  studying with him for six
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: years
• 20:30
  Learning what he had to teach me Learning what he had to teach
• 20:34
  me And it was not
• 20:36
  easy He was not an easy He was tough To bust my chops all the
• 20:43
  time It's worth it
• 20:45
  But I knew what he was teaching me And I knew I needed that I
• 20:49
  needed to learn what
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: he had to teach
• 20:53
  I love that so much and it is when you're ready it'll be there
• 20:57
  and you might have
• 20:57
  been ready two years before but maybe you weren't ready to
• 21:00
  receive the information
• 21:01
  yet like it was already planted there that seed right it just
• 21:04
  needed a little bit
• 21:05
  longer to ruminate and get ready to germinate and grow before
• 21:10
  before it was aligned
• 21:11
  timing I had a similar thing happen to me Stuart and I was
• 21:15
  talking to my homeopath
• 21:17
  and she goes oh you should connect with this person so she
• 21:20
  gives me her number and
• 21:22
  And I messaged her because I believe if someone says that,
• 21:25
  there's a reason,
• 21:26
  right?
• 21:26
  So,
• 21:27
  but we were texting and we couldn't figure out why we were
• 21:30
  meant to connect.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_00: So we just left it.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: Then a couple of weeks later,
• 21:33
  we were having someone help us with our solar system and that
• 21:37
  sort of thing.
• 21:38
  and we were talking he goes oh you should connect with this
• 21:40
  person it was the same
• 21:42
  person I was like this is getting beyond ridiculous now like
• 21:45
  why am I meant to
• 21:46
  connect with this person and still we couldn't figure it out we
• 21:49
  couldn't figure out
• 21:50
  why we were meant to we were just still laughing about it going
• 21:53
  I don't know and
• 21:54
  then a few weeks later I walk into this shop this organic food
• 21:57
  store and I was
• 21:58
  talking to the person working there and she's like oh I'm
• 22:02
  working with this person
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: on this project and I said oh
• 22:06
  this this this same person and she said yes and she has this
• 22:11
  and I went thank you I
• 22:13
  now know why we're meant to connect so she had a rife machine I
• 22:17
  don't know if you
• 22:17
  know what a rife machine is but it's a frequency machine and my
• 22:21
  husband was really
• 22:22
  unwell and I was looking for someone to take him to to work on
• 22:26
  it but also I needed
• 22:27
  to go see her because she did other things other than rife
• 22:30
  frequencies so fast
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: forward
• 22:33
  my husband gets better gets um has this treatment that he
• 22:37
  really needed I had a lot
• 22:39
  of patterns cleared had a lot of things shifted so I could keep
• 22:42
  stepping into my
• 22:43
  spiritual journey and then we finally figured out why we were
• 22:47
  connected but it was
• 22:48
  not me just we weren't dismissing it because it was obviously a
• 22:51
  reason but like you
• 22:52
  said sometimes you're just not ready until like you said Rudy
• 22:56
  pulled you through
• 22:57
  the door or in my case someone finally told me the piece of the
• 23:00
  puzzle that was
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: missing
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: There are no accidents.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: We have to listen to life.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: It is constantly reminding us of the things that we have to do.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: It didn't mean anything.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's not true.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: Things happen for a reason.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: And we have to be able to listen.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: And also be open.
• 23:23
  Because I have so many clients and people in my life where
• 23:26
  they'll be like,
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: I keep asking for help.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like,
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: Did you then like stay open to seeing where the support was coming from?
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: It might not look exactly how you think it's going to look.
• 23:38
  You know,
• 23:38
  so I had someone and I kept bumping into her in the space of a
• 23:42
  week.
• 23:42
  I bumped into her four times and my guides were like,
• 23:45
  she needs your help.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I said, hey, how's everything going?
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 23:48
  I'll send you a text because we're like in random public places
• 23:51
  that we kept
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: bumping into each other.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: And we started the conversation and I could just feel her energy go,
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: no,
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not ready and just pulled away.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, when...
• 24:00
  you know you you booked in with me you cancelled you went to
• 24:03
  book in with me again
• 24:04
  you cancelled there's clearly something that just needs you to
• 24:07
  get over that thing
• 24:08
  but at the same time I know that when she's ready she's ready
• 24:11
  so you know this is
• 24:14
  be open to that it's what are the odds that I ran into her
• 24:17
  three times in the one
• 24:18
  week in completely different places what were the odds of that
• 24:22
  it wasn't a
• 24:22
  coincidence it was the universe saying you are meant to be
• 24:25
  connecting there's
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: something that's meant to be happening between you two
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well,
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: I have lots of students and I come and it's,
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: initially,
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: they don't quite understand what is going on.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: But then if they stay with it over time, they begin to get it.
• 24:45
  And what they begin to say,
• 24:46
  I had today with one of my classes today,
• 24:49
  I do Zoom classes.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: And one of the women, she stopped coming.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: So I wrote her an email and I asked her, you know, what's going on?
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: How are you doing?
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm busy.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm tired.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so tired.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: I fell asleep in the meditation classes.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: So I said to her, but you're there to get energy.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: If you open to the energy, it'll revitalize you.
• 25:15
  So she came back to the class and she started,
• 25:19
  and today she looked just,
• 25:20
  I mean,
• 25:21
  extraordinary.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, she was just glowing today.
• 25:25
  And yet,
• 25:25
  you know,
• 25:25
  a couple of weeks ago,
• 25:27
  she was,
• 25:27
  you know,
• 25:27
  sitting there and half asleep.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: I said to her,
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: listen,
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: I said,
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: if somebody screamed fire in your room,
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: I said,
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: you would find the adrenaline to run out of there very quickly.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: I said,
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: if you need what is going on in the classes,
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: you'll find the adrenaline to truly take in this energy.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: And this energy is going to transform you.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to fix you inside.
• 25:54
  and she did and I saw her today I said my god you look
• 25:57
  beautiful I mean you're
• 25:59
  glowing you know you're glowing and she's starting to get it
• 26:04
  she's starting to
• 26:05
  truly not understand it but to let the energy come in let it
• 26:09
  nurture her and use it
• 26:12
  to overcome the tiredness instead of to let the tiredness
• 26:16
  overcome her you know and
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: I usually think that when people have these obstructions these blocks
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: They're always ready to make a major step in their life.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: On the other side of these blocks,
• 26:32
  it's like the knight slaying the dragon because there's a pot
• 26:36
  of gold on the damsel
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: in distress in old English folk tales.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like that in life today.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: People come up against all of these blocks and they give up.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: Instead of understanding
• 26:53
  that if they get stronger inside,
• 26:55
  they will be able to overcome these blocks.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: And there's always a major kind of energy change on the other side.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: Something happens that takes them to a whole new level in their life.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: And the blocks are just resistance to changing,
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: resistance to going to a whole new level in their life.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I see this so much in the work that I teach.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: I love what you were sharing about that.
• 27:21
  you'll have adrenaline if there's a fire to stand up and run
• 27:24
  and this is so often
• 27:25
  when we get stuck in that oh but I'm so tired I'm so exhausted
• 27:29
  but you can choose
• 27:30
  where you channel your energy and you can recalibrate and
• 27:33
  recharge quicker than
• 27:34
  what people think you don't have to have a cup of coffee to
• 27:37
  recharge you can call
• 27:39
  it in and I've I've shown up today for multiple things and I
• 27:43
  think I had maybe four
• 27:44
  or five hours sleep and I'm like no I'm still happy I'm still
• 27:47
  going because I'm
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: choosing
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: that I want to keep going.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: I know I will crash out this afternoon because I need to.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, you choose how you show up, right?
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: And the more your energy systems and your chakras are in alignment,
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: the more you work on that and balance yourself.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: You can go,
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: I don't recommend it,
• 28:04
  but you can go with minimal sleep and you can go without eating
• 28:09
  as much and things
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: like that because you're channeling your energy from a different place.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: I certainly agree.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, one can find any excuse for defeating themselves.
• 28:20
  So difficulty is learning how to take these energies and
• 28:27
  transform them into a
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: positive force that works for you.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: look,
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: for me,
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: it was meditation that did it,
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: that really taught me how to take difficult situations.
• 28:43
  And I used to,
• 28:44
  when I was younger,
• 28:44
  I used to throw myself into impossible situations.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: and I would do it almost intentionally.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: Can I work my way out of this?
• 28:55
  They were usually like financial situations where I would wind
• 28:59
  up owing some huge
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: sum of money to somebody.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: And can I grow enough in myself to be able to take care of this honestly?
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: And these situations helped me have a spiritual life because I said,
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: Stuart,
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: where are you going to get the energy to do this?
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: And the energy,
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: I said,
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: Stuart,
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: there's only one place you can get the energy to do that,
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: and that's inside yourself,
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: connecting with spirit.
• 29:26
  And it not only taught me how to kind of live quietly and more
• 29:34
  calmly about myself,
• 29:35
  but it taught me how to function in the world and how not to
• 29:39
  allow the negative
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: quantity of life to interfere with
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: this kind of inner peace I was beginning to experience.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I've carried that through my life.
• 29:51
  And I think that's very important because I think we're all
• 29:56
  tested all the time by life.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: my teacher,
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: Rudy,
• 30:00
  used to do things to me that would really force me to learn how
• 30:04
  to transform the
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: impossible into the possible.
• 30:08
  I mean,
• 30:08
  I could tell you stories,
• 30:09
  you know,
• 30:10
  about what he did,
• 30:11
  you know,
• 30:11
  that are amazing.
• 30:12
  I just had this image of him like hitting you over the back of
• 30:15
  the head with a
• 30:16
  stick I don't know if he did that but that's kind of the image
• 30:19
  they gave me like he
• 30:20
  was just trying to interfere there's a great story I told I
• 30:26
  told a lot in podcasts
• 30:27
  because it's really wonderful and it had to he asked me to go
• 30:32
  to Texas to run a
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: meditation center that he's
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: started there and I had lived in Paris,
• 30:39
  Rome and London and all over the world you know Marrakesh and
• 30:44
  he sent me to this
• 30:45
  kind of small town in Texas and I really didn't want to be
• 30:48
  there he said go for
• 30:50
  three weeks having a hard time these people and just help them
• 30:54
  get it together a
• 30:55
  little bit six months later he came down and I said to him Rudy
• 31:01
  this has been a
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: hell of a three weeks he told me you're on your fourth day
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, it was an amazing teaching.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Stuart, this is how the earth was created.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean, seven days.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: And so four days,
• 31:16
  three weeks became nine years that it took me to develop the
• 31:21
  strength to work out
• 31:22
  that situation and finally enable me to go back to New York and
• 31:27
  live in New York.
• 31:29
  But one of the things he also did,
• 31:31
  he asked me to start meditation centers in Texas.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: So I started,
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know,
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: three or four of them in Dallas,
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: in Nacogdoches,
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: in Austin,
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: and Denton,
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: Texas,
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: where I was living.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: And he came down there.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: I was teaching in all these centers.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: I was teaching in prisons.
• 31:52
  I was teaching a class in kundalini yoga as an accredited
• 31:57
  course in a university in Dallas.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I was working 19 hours a day, plus running the ashram there.
• 32:06
  and having to run a business because I needed to have money to
• 32:09
  support myself.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: So he came down.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: We're standing on the porch of this meditation center.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: And he looks at me and says, Stuart, you're not working hard enough.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: So I looked at him and I smiled.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Rudy, what do you want me to do?
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: He said, buy that building.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: And the building was like a strip mall.
• 32:29
  It was a shopping center that was right next door to the
• 32:31
  meditation center.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: So I said, Rudy, I've got $600 in the bank.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: He said, anyone could do it with money.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if I had $100 million in the bank, it'd be no problem.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I said to myself, Stuart, he's teaching you something.
• 32:48
  And what he was teaching me was something of one of the great
• 32:51
  fears I ever had when
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: I was younger was money,
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: financial success,
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: and all of the nonsense and madness you had to go through to get it.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I said,
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: Stuart,
• 33:02
  you have to learn how to do this and to make it part of your
• 33:06
  spiritual life.
• 33:07
  Not to interfere with you,
• 33:09
  but as another force that makes your spiritual life grow.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I sat down in every meditation class.
• 33:16
  I went up to this higher force and I asked for the energy to
• 33:22
  learn how to do it.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: One month later, I bought the shopping center.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: One month later, they taught me how to do it.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I did it without robbing a bank, you know?
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: I like that you put that preface in.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: We opened a restaurant there.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it became such a successful situation.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: But the biggest success wasn't the money that was coming in.
• 33:45
  The biggest success is I began to overcome a fear in myself of
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  success in the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I used to write poetry.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wrote this.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I wanted to be an artist, a writer.
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  and I needed to learn how to live in the world and he taught me
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  how to do it by
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  asking me to buy that building it was extraordinary it changed
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  me because suddenly
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  I began to realize Stuart money is just energy it's all it is
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  and if you learn how
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  to use it consciously it will do nothing but help you to
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  develop yourself and your
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  SPEAKER_01: spiritual life and the people in your life and everything it was amazing
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  And it taught me how to live in the world and not be afraid of
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  dealing with life
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  SPEAKER_01: and all the responsibilities that life imposes upon us.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think this is something that people probably won't buy.
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  SPEAKER_01: I learned this through meditation practice.
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  SPEAKER_01: I learned it through building a system,
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  SPEAKER_01: a chakra system that connected me to a higher force in the universe.
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  And when I needed answers to these almost impossible problems,
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  they always came with answers.
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  They came and they taught me exactly what I needed to do in
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  order to succeed and
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  SPEAKER_01: make the thing work without driving myself crazy.
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  So I think people need to learn this because money,
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  it just sucks people dry.
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  SPEAKER_01: The greed, you can never make enough of it.
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  and it really just sucks the energy and it destroys people's
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  lives and there's
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  nothing wrong with it you know if you learn how to use it in
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  order to get to a
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  higher force of energy in the universe you know so I when I
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  learned from I mean
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  what he taught me was so many things Catherine about being in
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  the world about being
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  SPEAKER_01: free in the world about learning how to transform wire
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  we're born here how to transform suffering into a spiritual
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  life difficulty into a
• 35:54
  spiritual life yeah which it is amazing when you start to
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  realize everything's
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  energy really everything is energy everything is energy yes and
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  you know even for
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  me I've been through the whole unpacking the energy of money
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  because I had so many
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  programs running like you have to work hard to earn your money
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  it's like no
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  SPEAKER_00: I can actually attract it and pull it in and let it grow.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't have to work hard if I invest it in the right places.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can let it grow.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, so challenging and unpacking all those beliefs.
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  SPEAKER_00: And like you said,
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  we're here for a reason whatever whatever it is and if you
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  don't get the lesson
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  this time it'll just hang around until you do and I've been one
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  to go you know when
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  I'm faced with the lesson I will run into it head first because
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  I'm like I don't
• 36:45
  want to do it again I want to learn from this and exactly like
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  how you said Stuart
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  what's what's really teaching me in this moment you know hang
• 36:52
  on he's trying to
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  SPEAKER_00: teach us something it's when we ask those deeper questions rather than
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  Blaming or trying to put out all the excuses and everything
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  like that and when we
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  own our energy that we can create those powerful shifts I agree
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  and I think that
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  SPEAKER_01: the great purpose of being born here being incarnated on this plane of
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  consciousness is we need to learn how to transform suffering
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  into an open heart I
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  think that is why we come here you know to nurture the soul to
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  transform the
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  SPEAKER_01: difficulties and suffering of life
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  SPEAKER_01: into joy, into love, into an open heart, into a connection with spirit.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think it gives,
• 37:35
  it just transforms people when they suddenly begin to learn how
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  to do this.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're no longer complaining about life.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: They're using whatever they learn.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I remember when Rudy told me, he said to me, Stuart,
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  SPEAKER_01: If anyone ever asks you who the guru is, tell them the guru is life.
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  It was such an important lesson for me because I learned
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  through teaching lots of
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  SPEAKER_01: people meditation.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am not the guru.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am not the guru.
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  SPEAKER_01: I tell people this all the time.
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  I am just a person who is here to teach you how to build a
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  connection inside
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  SPEAKER_01: yourself with a higher force of energy in the universe.
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  I am here to help you develop that chakra system that will give
• 38:22
  you a connection
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  with higher energy in the universe and every person is unique
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  there are no two
• 38:29
  people in the world that are going to have the same kind of
• 38:31
  connection everybody's
• 38:33
  going to have their own unique connection with higher energy in
• 38:37
  the universe and I
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  learned that I said Stuart the guru is not you know Swami this
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  one and yogi that
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  SPEAKER_01: one and
• 38:46
  priests and rabbis and imams and their job is to teach people
• 38:52
  how to open to the
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: real guru,
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  SPEAKER_01: life.
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  Life is the most extraordinary university and it has so much to
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  teach every single one.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_00: The real guru is life.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as we start to finish our time together,
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  SPEAKER_00: Stuart,
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  SPEAKER_00: I ask the guests that come on the show,
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_00: if you could heal or change something in the world,
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: what would it be?
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  I would just tell people the only person they're up against in
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  this world is
• 39:17
  themselves yeah that's it 100% so simple but so true and if
• 39:23
  people want to come and
• 39:25
  find your books or come connect with you or even join your
• 39:27
  classes where can they
• 39:29
  find you I teach on zoom I have seven classes a week my email
• 39:36
  address is stewart
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: D as in David Perrin at gmail.com.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: They get in touch with me.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: I can tell them exactly how they can come to my classes.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: I have this book that I just published.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_00: Congratulations.
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  SPEAKER_00: Amazing.
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  This book probably goes into my meditation teachings deeper
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  than any book I've written.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: I've written a lot of books.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: I've written close to a dozen books, novels and short stories and
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: spiritual books.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: But this book really is a different level.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had a friend of mine who was in Paris.
• 40:14
  He called me up the other day and he said,
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  Stuart,
• 40:16
  your book is more than literature.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's a spiritual book.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: It really brought tears to my eyes.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I said to him, you know, you got it.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_01: You got what I did.
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  SPEAKER_01: People can get this from Amazon.
• 40:27
  They can get it from,
• 40:28
  you know,
• 40:29
  actually any local bookstore that uses Ingram.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: In Australia, they have books.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_01: They use Ingram as a distributor.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they can order it from Ingram if they don't already stock it.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so the book is readily available.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I just lowered the price on it, you know, so it'd be a lot cheaper.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I would suggest this.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: If they really want to find out what I do, it's in this book.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's a part memoir and it's part wisdom book.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I would suggest that.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: There's about 1,400 talks I've given.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: Just a couple.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: Just a couple.
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  SPEAKER_01: Available if people want to find out about it, you know?
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, what I do.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't really advertise what I do.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I never have.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: In fact,
• 41:23
  the only reason I've been doing these podcasts is because I
• 41:26
  just published this
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: book and I want people to kind of find out about it.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: But other than that, I've never advertised.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even charge for what I do, Catherine.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: I have no...
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  SPEAKER_00: I love this.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I tell people, look, every month I send out a virtual begging bowl.
• 41:44
  And if people can afford whatever they send to help me pay the
• 41:48
  rent and take care
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: of things like that.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_01: But there's no fee to come.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: If you don't have any money, it would not stop you from coming.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 41:57
  It's so interesting you say that because I've started this
• 42:00
  thing because I've had
• 42:01
  people come and just use a little bit of my service not booking
• 42:04
  for a full-on
• 42:04
  session and it'll be like just doing things in the background
• 42:07
  they're like oh let
• 42:08
  me pay you what do you want me to pay you and I said actually
• 42:11
  here's my link you
• 42:12
  put in what you feel it's worth and it's always more than what
• 42:15
  I would have said
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_00: which is so fascinating and I
• 42:19
  it's just a different way of working right it's a different way
• 42:22
  and you know we've
• 42:23
  gone through the scarcity and everything we've kind of flipped
• 42:26
  over to the other
• 42:27
  side but it's really interesting because we never were like we
• 42:31
  always somehow the
• 42:32
  money always showed up when you needed it like it was just that
• 42:36
  surrender into life
• 42:37
  and let life be the guru but the money would just show up
• 42:40
  because it's the energy
• 42:41
  it will be there when you need it if you truly do believe you
• 42:44
  have it yeah
• 42:46
  when I was living with a young guy living in Texas,
• 42:48
  running a meditation center there.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: And all the students were going to go up to New York to see Rudy.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: And we were going to drive up there.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: I had no money, a penny.
• 43:00
  I was also running this kind of junky antique store,
• 43:03
  selling used furniture.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_01: And seven o'clock in the morning,
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: the day we were going to leave,
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_01: I needed to get $40 to pay for gasoline.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: A guy comes to my store,
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: and says to me, Stuart, I know you're going away today.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: I really want that table.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: How much is it?
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: And the table is $40.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: I believe you because this happens to me.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I believe you.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love it.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, thank you so much, Stuart.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_00: I really appreciate your time.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Catherine, thank you for doing this.
• 43:47
  And it's been a joy to spend time with you and to just share my
• 43:51
  life and you sharing your life.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: And this has been wonderful.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you very much.
• 43:55
  Thank you so much Stuart and if for all our listeners please do
• 43:59
  go check out
• 44:00
  Stuart's book if you feel pulled to if the curiosity is there
• 44:04
  allow it to guide you
• 44:05
  because sometimes being curious is what gets us to our next
• 44:08
  step in our journey and
• 44:10
  if you enjoyed this episode please feel free to like share or
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• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: you so much for listening and happy finding your way back to yourself.
• 44:18
  Hey beautiful souls it is Catherine Crestani here and I wanted
• 44:21
  to have a chat with
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: you about a really amazing
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• 44:28
  but also just
• 44:29
  because it tastes freaking good so if you're curious and want
• 44:33
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• 44:33
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  Creation Cacao I love this with a bit of honey and cinnamon
• 44:43
  sprinkled in and just
• 44:45
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• 44:49
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• 44:52
  SPEAKER_00: check out the link in the show notes and in the bio and enjoy today.
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• 45:04
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• 45:11
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