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S2 E28: Fan Fiction · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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Oh my, it's most things Kenobi where we always have the high
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ground. Hi everyone, welcome to another
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episode of Most Things Kenobi, a podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and
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all things Star Wars. I'm your host, Leanne.
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And I'm your host, Lauren. This episode we are going to
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discuss fanfics, and within this episode about fanfics, we're
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going to basically just start with why we started reading
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them, why we started writing them, which ones we like and
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what ones we turn to time and time again, and just kind of
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general chat about fanfiction. Yeah, it's a love letter to
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fanfiction. They're they're a special subset
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of fandom, but also of writing. So it's it's kind of like the
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best of both worlds for you and me, 'cause we really things.
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Yes, and I know it gets a bad rap.
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Like it's always made fun of. It's not real writing.
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It's not, it's not real talent, blah blah.
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I think it is. I think it is.
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I think it is too. And I also think it's funny that
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it's like always laughed at, like it's the ultimate sign of a
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nerd. But like, some fanfics are
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better than sanctioned. You know, quote official books.
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Yeah, totally. And not only that, like really,
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who is it harming? I mean, there are some out there
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that I do not, I do not read. There are lines I won't cross,
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but personal reading, genres, themes, I don't know.
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Not everything out there is for everyone, myself included, but.
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Yeah. I think the reason why I started
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with fan fiction was because I wanted more about a character
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that I wasn't getting from the quote official media.
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Yeah. And there's room to explore.
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Yes, there's like something about the original work that
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leaves you either wanting more or feeling like you don't have
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full closure on something. So you go to fanfiction and get
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that closure that you can't have officially.
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Do you remember what the first fandom was that you got pulled
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into for fanfiction? Lord of the Rings.
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Oh, really? Oh, that's so interesting.
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Yeah. And I really, it was so long.
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I mean, it was then, it was for me.
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This would have been like 2001. OK wow.
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I'm pretty sure I don't even remember what I typed in to get
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it. Yeah, like what existed back
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then? I don't even have a clue.
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Like the two main sites I know of our AO3 Archive of Our Own
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and fanfiction.net is that. Yes, and that's the one I do
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remember finding Lord of the Rings fanfictions on.
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That one does seem like it's been around since the early
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2000s. It's got that vibes.
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It totally is like message board vibe.
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You know I have like. Myspace.
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I literally have not been on that site.
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I don't even know if I could log in.
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I don't know that I remember my name or my fucking password.
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Same, honestly I think I've only logged in there once or twice.
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I usually use archive avaro that's like my go to.
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Yeah, me too. I mean now.
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Fanfiction.net is kind of known for being a little tamer, right?
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I think they have more community guidelines.
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I really don't even remember. Honestly though is a free for
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all. Like people can post almost
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anything on there. So yeah, you can end up in some
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accidental dark corners of the Internet on.
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There totally, without a doubt heed.
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The tags. The tags.
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Are important. The tags are very important.
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Take them seriously. You know what's funny is I got a
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comment one time. I have slow burn as A tag on on
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my stories and. Yeah.
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I don't think I really talk about this a lot, and many of
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you may not know that I've written stuff, which is totally
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fine, but I have slow burn as A tag and someone wrote this is
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moving too slow, not interested. And I'm like, you didn't read
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the tags, did you? So heed the tags, folks.
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Heed the. Tags, yeah, I know.
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And now people are kind of asking you to put tags or like
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trigger warnings on each chapter, which I'm, I feel torn
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on that sometimes 'cause I feel like that's what the tags are
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for. So like, yeah, but also I get it
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at the same time, Yeah, I mean. I don't know, I I just remember
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it's still a story. If I could log back into
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fanfiction.net, I would go back. It was a story.
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The very first one I ever looked up and saved and reread was like
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young Faramir, young Boromir and them as brothers.
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Oh my gosh, that's adorable. I wanted more on their
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relationship and I I'm I must have typed in like stories about
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Boromir and Faramir as brothers or lore or something I don't
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remember. And Tolkien has a lot of like
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appendix type stuff. There's, you know, his his
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writings that aren't a part of the book, but are in a way, like
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there's X number hundreds of pages of this appendices stuff.
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And that was great too. And I just wanted more.
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So I'm really thankful that there are talented individuals
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out there who can take characters and build upon the
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story and give us what we're imagining anyway.
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Like, I wonder what it would be like if those two characters
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were little kids, brother, growing up in ministerial, you
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know, and that sort of thing. That's awesome and I love that.
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Like, have you ever written any Lord of the Rings fan fiction?
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No. See I think I have the same
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thing where there's certain fandoms I will only read like I
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have no interest in writing anything for them, but I love
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reading fan fictions for them. Yeah, I can't touch it because
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it's so close to me, but I can fuck around with some Star Wars
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characters and I've actually written some Marvel.
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The Marvel stories are my most popular.
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Because they're about Bucky. Hello.
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Yes, please and thank you. Yeah.
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I came up with a pretty good storyline.
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I'm not going to lie, I was really impressed with myself.
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I love your stories. That's how we became friends.
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Actually, the very first thing, I had forgotten this because I,
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I went back into one of our first MTK episodes and I heard
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this and I was like, Oh my God, how did I forget this?
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Yeah, we talked about. Yeah, started.
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Talking because you I said something about Obi Wan drinking
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like getting that horrible scene in a tech of the clowns.
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You know you don't want to sell me death sticks that scene and
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then you commented like you had written a scene of Obi Wan going
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to a bar drinking. Would I like to read it?
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And I was like, yes, I would. And that's kind of how we became
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friends. It's.
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So funny because you seemed so professional in your not seemed
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that makes it sound like you're not.
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But you seemed extremely well spoken and professional in your
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Instagram back in the day. And like you had so many
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screenshots of Obi Wan from from the Clone Wars.
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And I was like, oh, oh, she writes let's talk to her.
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Let's talk to her. Anyhow, yeah, we did.
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We did kind of bond over that. Yeah, and you have, I mean,
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you've wrote that the one of Obi Wan and Nyla, like, I love that
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story. Yeah, one of your your original
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characters. Yeah, yeah, Nyla's a good one.
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You did a. Great one of Anakin you did some
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great ones with Luke and Anakin like you, you have some great
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stories. I I.
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This is not supposed to be about me this episode.
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No, but I mean it's part of our friendship though.
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Like we used to share chapters or like we just we haven't done
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that and that and a really long time now.
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Our lives are just so busy and hectic always.
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But like I remember shooting chapters back and forth to each
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other for the fix that you're writing.
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And like, I don't want anyone ever to beta my stuff, but I
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always look forward to like, sending you what I was writing
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because I knew like you would. Get it?
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Yes, and I did. And I loved every second of it.
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Honestly it was, though I do cherish those moments.
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What was the first fanfic you ever looked up?
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Which what? What fandom was it?
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Star Wars? It wasn't.
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It was Batman. Was it Batman?
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It wasn't. No.
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It's super obscure and weird. It was Miss Fisher murder
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mysteries. Oh, but we love Miss Fisher
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here. That's amazing.
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I didn't know that. Yeah, at the time I looked it
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up, it was, I think only two seasons had come out and they'd
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slow burned those characters and 'cause it was such an expensive
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show, you waited like years for another 8 episodes to come out
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and it was just like, God, they are so in love and they won't
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just let it happen. So finally I was like fuck it,
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there's got to be a fanfic out there that will satisfy my
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needs. And there were and they were
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fantastic. And then when they made season 3
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and the movie, you could tell the writer had read some of
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those. Fanfictions.
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Oh no shit, I didn't know that. That's interesting.
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There was a few things and there I was like, that looks awfully
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familiar. It was good stuff, very saucy.
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It's all very saucy. Well, that's another reason why
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we like fan fiction 'cause we can get a little saucy where we
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we don't get to get that way with most of the normal stuff
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that is out there. But it's not like boyfriend
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always thinks that it's just people banging.
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And it's like, no, it's not. It's not more than that.
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Most of it is more than that, although you can get that if
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that's all you want. Listen.
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It's definitely out there. I mean, I mean, what is it?
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The plot? Porn without plot?
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It's the POP. Yes.
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If you want that, you can find it, but it's funny to me because
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you think that's what most people are looking for.
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But like, not really. You and I have both written
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fanfics that are long. They don't even necessarily have
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that kind of stuff in it. It's just very character driven.
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And those are the ones that are the most popular that you write.
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Like people want the substance. Yes.
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In fact, like I enjoy, I mean just personally, I enjoy coming
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up with an actual story because my brain likes to have an outlet
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in that manner. And I've always liked to write
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and I definitely don't do it in my job.
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So it's the left brain being exercised for once, whereas the
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sciency, I guess right brain of me is what pays the bills.
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But I have the fun with trying to be creatively, I don't know,
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just creative on paper, electronically.
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And that's really what I seek out in others.
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I remember when I first got into the Viking show, like Vikings
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with Ragnar and and the sons and everything, and was that on like
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A&E or History Channel? What?
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I don't even remember. I'm.
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Not age Bo am I way off? I don't even I don't even know.
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But everyone knows Vikings, right?
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There's so many offshoots of that.
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But it was the original show and God, I was like, I bet there's
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fanfics out there that are really good with the certain
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characters, and I found some really good ones that
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individuals that can write really bring it.
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I mean really, bring it. You have to be really passionate
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about the subject because it's so time consuming and then it's
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so vulnerable. I'm I'm sure that this is true
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of any creative outlet, but writing feels so vulnerable
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because it's like your inner monologue for everyone to see
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and not necessarily that you know, just because you write
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something doesn't mean it's part of like your own existence.
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That's the whole point of creativity is creating something
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that you may never experience yourself.
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But there's I'm just amazed by the dedication of people who
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write fan fiction to stick with stuff for years, either as a
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reader or a writer to like care enough to weave it into
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pre-existing plot lines. You know it's.
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Just. I applaud it.
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And so anyone who talks shit about it really doesn't.
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Maybe they don't quite understand what goes into the
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whole process and why people love it.
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And, and there's this great scene of Ben Wyatt and Parks
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and, and Rec forcing someone to listen to a fanfiction he wrote
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about Star Trek. And she wants to like, RIP her
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own ears off. It's really funny 'cause like,
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we've all kind of been there where you're very excited about
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a subject and no one else gives a shit.
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Totally. There's people on the Internet
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who do care. There are there's at least two
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websites dedicated to this. Exactly, and like any fandom you
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can think of, like the most bizarre, oblique, weird
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reference, you could probably find a fanfiction for it
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somewhere. Is there a a a faction of fan
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fiction that you don't like that you don't gravitate towards
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meaning a style. Not not like thematics, but a
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style. Well, I have a, if you've read
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any of my stuff, you know, I have a very high tolerance for
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most things, but they're were some stories where the violence
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in particular would just be so extreme that I had to like bow
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out eventually 'cause it was just like, I can't keep getting
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this into my brain. And like there's a, it's a
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particular writer who, who deleted their account.
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They didn't even abandoned the account and they were super
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prolific. They wrote lots of stuff.
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Their stuff was excellently written and a lot of it I really
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like. Some of it was a little much for
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me, but some of it was exceptional.
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Like it was very good. I don't know.
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But yeah, I, I, I can understand that.
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There's also, you know, like sexual violence is also
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prevalent in in fanfic writing. And that is something I
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generally. You know, totally.
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I guess if you're if you're a pro, free speech fan fiction is
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all about. That.
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Yeah, like I like you said, it goes into dark territory.
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Like what about you? What is?
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How would you answer that question?
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I don't like alternate universe stuff, never got into it.
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Was that what you meant? Went.
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Really. Dark well.
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Yeah, that I don't like that either that.
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I I I struggle with picturing certain characters in alternate
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universes, although I see how it can be fun.
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Yeah, like I guess I generally avoid modern AU and I really
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don't like crossover. I don't like when fandoms
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crossover. Yeah.
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Same, I just find it too cluttered for my own brain
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personally. But yeah, there was one.
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I will say there was an AU that was Obi Wan and Sateen in, I
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think we, we've talked about this before in Speakeasy era
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Chicago. Yeah.
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And I was like, I could buy into this.
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So I'm tell me more. And then they just stop writing
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the fakes. Aww, that's too bad.
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And I did read. I definitely enjoyed this.
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It was Cassie and Andora was a vampire and Gin or so was a
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vampire hunter and I enjoyed that very much.
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I would have never thought that, but it it works, it works.
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Yeah, it works really well. I generally though avoid a you.
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You're right though. Well, I can also picture Obi Wan
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and Sateen in a Speakeasy setting.
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I see how I could see how that. I just don't want to.
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I don't, I'm not interested enough to like read it, but I
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can picture it and that's fine. Yeah.
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I just more intrigued on the idea of seeing or like I guess
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imagining Obi Wan and those that era of clothing.
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Now that yes, yes, agreed, yes. Yeah.
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I can see that. So with Star Wars fan fiction,
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because obviously we're a Star Wars podcast, what do you
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generally gravitate to? Like, what if you are seeking
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something out? What are you looking for
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usually? That's funny.
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If you dare answer that question, I know that's kind of
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a personal question. You can generalize it, just no
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doesn't. I look for Anakin and Padme
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because OK, I'm, I'm so biased with Anakin, but I never quite
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liked the character of Padme 100% right.
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There's always a little something, something off that
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that always made me like her less than I would have
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preferred. I did dig into Padme and Anakin
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during the Republic era, you know, while they're married, but
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not she's not pregnant yet. And it's still kind of new just
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to see how others interpreted Padme as a character.
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And I did find one. They are in a winter setting.
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I don't remember the planet, but it was it was a winter setting.
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And it was very interesting the way that this particular author
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wrote Padme in a way that I've I gravitated to more.
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It was like her inner dialogue and it was something that we
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don't usually get with Padme. And so that's exactly what I was
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seeking out is kind of a more of an understanding of this
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character that I'm not getting from the main media forms of
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Padme. So interesting.
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Did it lead you to like her a little bit more or not?
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It didn't really. Yeah, a little like a little bit
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more. It was still, you know, cuz when
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you write fanfic, you're at least in, in my personal
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writing, you're trying to stay true to the character
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themselves. I.
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Don't want to deviate too much away from I want to I want to
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enhance but not deviate and I believe that this author did
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that enhanced but didn't deviate.
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So they're still like the mamby pamby Padme's shit.
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You know, to be to be exact. But but the Anakin was
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phenomenal. The way she wrote the boyish
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struggling to become a man, struggling to hide the darkness,
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struggling to be a good man, you know, Oh my God, it was so it
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that one I have bookmarked and it's on AO3.
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I could dig it up. It's real good.
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It's real good. I don't remember the name of it
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though, but it was I think it was like 4 very long chapters.
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Very long chapters. How interesting is it?
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I these are the things that I kind of love about fanfiction
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cause what you're just saying there is some people like to
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deviate a lot and make the characters completely different.
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It's like they get irritated with the character being boxed
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in. So they make them so far away
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from Canon that to me it often feels like like just write your
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own story. That's it.
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But there's that and then there's that.
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Some people also would love to write like, I don't even know,
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break it down into like, I guess, quote UN quote, normal
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length of chapters. Some people just write it all as
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one thing. Some people like, put it into
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four really long chapters. Yeah, it was like a four part
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movie almost. It was like a four part series.
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Yeah, it's so cool. I, I kind of enjoy watching how
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people break up their own story as well 'cause I, I think that
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that's part of the experience, you know?
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Yeah, it is. It's a that's a good way to to
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phrase that because I never really quite thought of it that
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way until this moment. And now I'm thinking about how I
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break chapters and I I don't really know that I had a
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formula. Well, sometimes it's because
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like it kind of tells you how the person either felt too.
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It's it's kind of like they had just gushed it all out into one
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chapter and they're just like, here, take it.
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Yeah. And other people, it's like they
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I don't, I don't want to say it's more methodical because
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it's not. I'm not trying to like down talk
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that method at all because that's actually a really fun,
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validating and exciting way to write where it's just like brain
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vomit. Yeah, yeah, totally.
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Yeah. And then you can go the other
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extreme where you're like really meticulous and like plotting
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this full arc and you can see the people who do that as well.
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And I find both methods totally enjoyable.
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It just depends on what mood you're in.
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Yeah, it is. I it's harder for me to go back
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and reread portions I really like in an extra long.
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Yeah. Chapter, so to speak.
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If it's harder to find it again. Yeah, especially on a phone, you
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can't do a like a word search or you know something.
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But I think I always wrote it to where it's definitely the end of
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it. It has a complete stop, but it
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leads into the next thing and I need a hard.
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I need a break. It there needs to be some sort
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of physical break. I do that too.
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Sometimes I even deliberately Cliffhang yeah, say lots of the
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chapters because I as a reader, that's what I enjoy and you and
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I have talked about that too. A lot of times we're just
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writing ourselves what we would like to read a. 100% readers
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couldn't agree more. Yeah.
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And usually it's more about the character and putting them in
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situations. You want to see them in more
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situations, so you play around with it.
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I think Clone Wars is a great catalyst for fan fiction because
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they like tease you with scenarios.
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Yes. Yes, and they give you more
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characters too. You can add yes, you can add
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clones now. You can add different Admirals,
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different Jedi that we've come to learn about and know and all
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kinds of stuff. Different planets.
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Yeah, it's good stuff. Yeah, and they have like,
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developed the characters just enough to keep you wanting more.
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Because it's a kids show quote. Oh.
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Yeah, sure. They bring you right up to the
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edge of something and then they're like and end of the
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episode and you're like, what the fuck?
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There's more. Tell me more.
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I know, I know. How could you go to Sigeria and
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come back and not have emotional trauma?
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How? We still need somebody needs to
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write about the therapist in the temple, in the Jedi Temple.
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Maybe I'll do that someday. Full series.
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It's the therapist's notes in the Jedi Temple, and that's the
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story. Different chapters are the
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different therapy notes. They're just every Jedi's
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medical file. That's what these.
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Yes. Books are.
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Today I saw Ahsoka. She had a lot to say about that
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last mission where she was. Attacked by.
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Yeah, or that, I don't know. I was just thinking like all
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kinds. Of or haunted Haunted by.
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Yeah. Trend oceans like there's so
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many things we could list. Obi Wan ate three pies over his
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sink last night and he's feeling quite guilty today.
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I asked him, tell me why you where you feel the guilt in your
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body and how you would like to. I'm sorry.
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I gotta go on and on. The pain centers around my
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stomach. You realize it's just 'cause you
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ate three pies, Yeah? It's a carb overload Obi Wan.
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You'll be OK, go take a nap. Drink some water.
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Do you know of a fanfic story that you wish you would have
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written or someone would write because it's something that
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you're dying to know and read? Just any topic, any fandom.
25:29
Oh. My God, that's a good.
25:32
That is a great question. Yes, yes.
25:36
What is it to? Care to share?
25:39
I guess I kind of write the ones that I'm most curious about.
25:42
Well, if if there's one that you would tackle, is there one you
25:45
would tackle because you want to explore?
25:48
There is and I'm. I'm actually almost done with
25:51
it. It's I've always been interested
25:55
in what happens to Obi Wan after Qui Gon dies and he has to go
25:59
back to the temple and start taking care of this little boy.
26:03
Yep. Yeah, that's a good one.
26:07
Yeah, that one. And like I want to rewrite
26:14
season 2 of Andor. Oh my goodness, I.
26:22
Actually wrote an outline a while ago, but I'll never, yeah,
26:27
I'll never write it. It's too convoluted.
26:29
And is it? Did you write it after you saw
26:32
season 2 or did you write it? Yeah.
26:34
Yeah. OK, I did.
26:35
Yeah. I might want to see this
26:38
outline. There's just so many strands
26:41
that didn't connect. And I was like, I, I know I can
26:43
do this better. And I know that sounds like so
26:46
arrogant, but I knew I could, yeah.
26:51
I believe it. I believe there's a lot that you
26:53
could contribute to this show, yes.
26:56
I just felt like what they laid down in season 1 was so rich and
27:02
interesting and, and was going to tie perfectly into Rogue One.
27:06
And then I feel like they, I think the structure, we talked
27:09
about this in our and or episodes, like the structure
27:12
just kind of sent them in directions that made it
27:15
difficult to close certain loops.
27:17
And I yeah, that's all. What about you?
27:20
What would you like? I always wanted a female to be
27:24
part of the Fellowship of the Ring.
27:26
Oh. Yeah, I always wanted a female
27:28
character to be included in the like main characters of Lord of
27:34
the Rings that are in the Fellowship.
27:37
And I always wanted to explore that, like if there had been
27:43
just a female in there. Not because I want
27:45
representation, but I, I do think it would create a
27:47
different dynamic and and a female character could bring
27:50
something different to the lineup and how things played
27:53
out. And I've thought about it at
27:55
length, and I'm not going to talk about it, but I think that
27:59
would be fun to explore. Yeah, yeah, that's really cool.
28:04
Do you remember the first fan fiction you ever wrote?
28:08
Not necessarily shared with anybody, but that Like, how old
28:11
were you when you wrote your first piece?
28:13
That was probably just for you. It was kind of like my brain was
28:17
was doing hockey. I was writing about hockey.
28:20
So yeah. Because I love hockey.
28:23
Yeah, I mean, you're a huge, I'm going to say the wrong team.
28:28
Penguins. Thank you, Penguins.
28:29
I was going to say, I was going to say A-Team and I'm like,
28:32
Nope, that's football. Well, footyball, all the sporty
28:37
balls. I just love hockey in general
28:40
and I always wanted to, you know, create, create my own
28:43
team. So I don't know who counts as a
28:45
fandom, but I am a fan of hockey, so.
28:48
And there are sports fandom fanfics out there.
28:52
Yeah, that's, it's so interesting 'cause it's not just
28:55
we're just talking about it in like terms of fandom, but it is.
28:58
There's quote fan fiction for all.
29:01
Sorts of actually actually, if anyone is on like bookstagram or
29:06
book talk, I'm not on TikTok, but I know it's a part of this
29:10
is there is actually I have a Kindle, Amazon Kindle and I used
29:17
to have Kindle unlimited. Or you could get like a book for
29:21
free or very discount or something with the with the
29:25
membership. And one of the top books lately
29:28
is a hockey themed like romance book.
29:31
Really. And I.
29:32
Saw it and I'm like hey, wait a second now it's mainstream.
29:39
OK, but. You're ahead of your time.
29:43
Way ahead. But I I noticed that it has like
29:47
a Part 2 and everyone's gravitating towards the part.
29:49
I'm just like oh man, I'm not going to read it.
29:52
I can't I. Have to.
29:54
But I can see where it would be a good themed story thing to
30:00
explore. I've been there.
30:01
Yeah. Well, you know, there's
30:05
competition, there's there's enemies, there's there's love
30:10
interest, there's high stakes. Same as a Jedi.
30:15
It's that's it. It's it's, it's all.
30:23
Like a Jedi. I mean it's true people are
30:27
crazy about sports of all kinds. Like it's we even have a couple
30:33
listeners who are big into what is it FF1, What is it the
30:38
racing. Yep, the racing.
30:40
Yeah, it's a huge thing. Well, now they have movies and
30:43
soundtracks and all kinds of stuff about all that, so.
30:48
It's people love that stuff. Fan fiction.
30:52
Fan fiction is just it. It's fiction.
30:55
Why does it have to have fan attached to it?
30:56
It's just fiction. 'Cause we don't get paid.
31:00
Well that too. OK fair fair, but it even if I
31:05
mean there was 50 Shades of grey, wasn't that a fucking fan
31:08
fiction turned like. Don't get me.
31:10
I mean, I can't say I didn't read it.
31:12
I so I can't say honestly, but yeah.
31:14
I will tell you I tried to read it.
31:18
It was an insult to my intelligence and me as a woman.
31:23
Yeah, it. Was not OK.
31:25
Yeah. Not for me, stayed away from it.
31:27
I thought it would just fill me with rage so.
31:30
It's it's something it's not for me, but I know a lot of people
31:34
really liked it. I think they were of a certain
31:38
age at the time. Well, like, it's what my sister
31:43
and I call snack fiction, where it's just like.
31:46
That's a good way to. Put it Yeah.
31:47
It's not like a piece of literature.
31:49
It's something you read on the beach.
31:51
For me, snack fiction is fan fiction.
31:53
Like I, I would rather read fan fiction.
31:56
Yeah, 'cause yeah, I, I love, I used to really love.
32:03
There was this one fanfic writer who wrote fan fiction of the
32:07
Jedi Apprentice novels and. Oh, so fiction about fiction?
32:13
Like writing fiction about written fiction.
32:16
That's yeah. OK.
32:19
I know it's so meta cause also it's legends of Star Wars it's
32:23
not even Canon anymore. But I.
32:26
Liked those books, but they like the they just weren't.
32:30
I didn't read them as a kid the first time I read them as an
32:33
adult. I have very fond memories of
32:37
having to track each copy down because they're not even YA.
32:41
They're like children literature.
32:47
So they're like chapter books for like 7 year olds.
32:51
And I'd have to go to the most obscure libraries in the city of
32:54
Chicago when I was living there, check down these books, and they
32:58
would always assume I was checking them out for like, my
33:01
child, like I don't have. Children.
33:04
This is for me. Oh my God, secrets out.
33:09
Yeah, exactly. So like, I was, I read all of
33:12
them and they were OK, but they left me like feeling like, oh
33:15
man, they, they couldn't make these stories into what I really
33:18
want 'cause they're not. They're for very small children.
33:21
So I went and found fan fiction that made them incredible.
33:25
They were so much better 'cause it was like the story, but
33:28
written for an adult with an adult perspective.
33:30
And it was just really beautifully done.
33:32
And one of that authors also did.
33:37
Obi Wan is a young apprentice taking a life for the first
33:41
time. Oh, that would be an interesting
33:44
thing to explore. It was really interesting 'cause
33:47
it wasn't even necessarily on purpose.
33:49
It was like his hand was forced by a person who was like overly
33:52
aggressive and he, like had no choice in the matter.
33:55
It was very good. It was very interesting idea.
33:58
So that was stuff I like, gravitated to the when I first
34:01
kind of got into the Star Wars fandom, fan fiction.
34:06
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, there's so many
34:09
different aspects to it and it's just, it's just an outlet and
34:14
people need outlets because like you, we can get a season of a
34:18
show that we desperately loved and it doesn't go the way we
34:22
wanted or hoped. So we we need an outlet or
34:26
there's character exploration that needs done that we're never
34:30
going to get like Little Bore Mirror and Little Fair Mirror,
34:33
you know, stuff like that. Right.
34:36
And so well. Especially because that because
34:37
like Tolkien is gone, there's not going to be any more
34:41
official stuff that comes out. So you have to have fan fiction.
34:46
Right, right. And I to.
34:47
Tie you over. Honestly, it's just not feasible
34:52
for every single person who's talented in writing to get
34:57
authored and published and given a paycheck.
35:00
And so I think it's great that this kind of fan fiction outlet
35:06
is there for people who do have a talent, who want to write, who
35:10
need to write and who need to be, you know, creatively
35:14
exploring different genres and different medias and different
35:18
things. I I just.
35:18
I'm glad it exists. Yeah, me too.
35:23
I am too. It's such a comfort, honestly.
35:25
Like anytime I get on the AO3 website, I feel calmer, which is
35:31
so weird. I think it's because I associate
35:33
it with like, it's kind of like that feeling of getting a good
35:36
book and like getting under a blanket with your cozy drink and
35:39
like diving into something that you know is going to be exactly
35:42
what you want. You know, it's like, it's kind
35:45
of magical, 'cause you could find anything in there.
35:48
Yeah, you can find some dark, scary stuff, but you could also
35:51
find like, the exact story you've always been hoping you'd
35:54
get. 100%, yeah. Yeah.
36:00
I like it. I do too, like you said I'm very
36:03
glad it exists and I love honestly I I feel really proud
36:09
of AO3 because they fight really hard to protect the writers who
36:14
post on there. Yeah, that's true.
36:17
They have a whole legal team that's that's volunteer.
36:23
Everything about AO3 is volunteer.
36:25
And anytime they run like a drive to to earn money, they
36:31
exceed their goal immediately because I think it means that
36:34
much to people. 100% yeah, yeah. And it I mean it shows.
36:40
Yeah. All right, join us back for our
36:50
next episode. We're going to return to Luke
36:52
Skywalker because it's been a minute since we talked about
36:55
Luke. We're going to do kind of a Part
36:58
2 to an episode we've done previously where we talked about
37:01
how Leia, all the ways Leia is like Anakin and Padme.
37:04
We're going to do a version of that for Luke.
37:06
So join us back next time. We're going to talk about how
37:08
Luke is like his mother, Padme Amidala and his father Anakin
37:13
Skywalker, and it's going to be fucking awesome.
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