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Last Call! Final 2026 NFL Season Musings with Todd Haley & Jarrett Bailey · Go Long Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, how's it going, everyone?
• 0:01
  SPEAKER_02: Tyler Dunne here at Golong.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for subscribing to golongtd.com and inside the Substack app.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_02: This is our sixth season of Let's keep this thing growing.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_02: And going strong into 2026.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_02: Right now,
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_02: subscribers can check out my long form piece on CJ Stroud
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_02: and learn why there is nobody in the entire league facing more pressure than
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_02: that quarterback of the Houston Texans.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_02: Talk to sources inside the building.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_02: Coaches who have had him in that same quarterback room, in those same offensive meetings.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_02: Players.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_02: And we, as always,
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_02: look back to those Hall of Famers,
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_02: Kurt Warner,
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_02: Warren Moon,
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_02: some excellent insight into how this player looked so good in 2023
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_02: and did not look like the same quarterback in 24.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_02: Did not look like the same quarterback in 25.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_02: How in the hell can C.J.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_02: Stroud get it back?
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_02: It would behoove C.J.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_02: Stroud to do so because if he does,
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_02: he might make himself $60 million a year and he might hoist
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_02: a Lombardi trophy this season with this team and a defense that is unlike any in
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_02: the league.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_02: Let's just say they may have cracked the code on one Patrick Mahomes
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_02: and shared their findings with the rest of the NFL.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_02: Make sure you check it out.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_02: A ton of insight in there for you on this podcast right here.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_02: I'm joined by Jarrett Bailey and Todd Haley of the Pump Fake Podcast.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_02: They were awesome.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_02: Of course,
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  SPEAKER_02: Jarrett covers the NFL for SB Nation and does a lot of great work in
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_02: the podcast world.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_02: Todd Haley.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_02: Long-time wide receivers coach, offensive coordinator, head coach with the Kansas City Chiefs.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_02: Coached the offense there in Ben Roethlisberger with the Pittsburgh Steelers
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_02: and does a hell of a job on Sirius XM today.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_02: Also works in the UFL.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_02: The man does it all.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_02: He's got so many stories to share.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_02: We get into everything from Aaron Rodgers and what we can expect out
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_02: of him this season on the field, off the field.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_02: The Tennessee Titans, why Jarrett loves those Titans fans.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_02: Kyler Murray and the Minnesota Vikings.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_02: What's going to happen there?
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_02: Houston with CJ Stroud.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_02: And hey, Josh Allen right there with the Buffalo Bills.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_02: Is this the year that he gets to and wins a Super Bowl?
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_02: Stick around to the end.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_02: You'll learn a lot.
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  SPEAKER_02: You'll laugh.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_02: You'll cry.
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  SPEAKER_02: You'll have a great old time.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_02: Let's get right to it.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_02: Here is Todd Haley, Jared Bailey, right here on the Go Long Podcast.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, yes, I agree with Todd.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_02: People are pretty awful in general.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_02: I will say this, though,
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_02: on my trip out here to Minnesota,
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  SPEAKER_02: I was very, very pleased with the gate agents at both Buffalo, the Buffalo Delta.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_02: So this is like 5 a.m. and then my Detroit connection.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_02: They were not taking any shit, man.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like people were,
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_02: they were calling for zone two and people from zone three and four were trying
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_02: to get in.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_02: And they're on the mic saying, if you are not in zone two, go sit down.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_02: And there was some spunk.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_02: There was some attitude.
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  SPEAKER_02: I loved it.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_02: I loved it.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_02: You got to put these people in their places.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: That sounds like a flight.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: Any flight going to New York,
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: New Jersey, Newark, JFK, they line up before they've even called a zone.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I just sit there and I seethe at how mad I am at all the people.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, man.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_02: And then, I don't know, let's go around the horn then.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_02: Your number one pet peeve while traveling.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody knows mine.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's the deplaning budger that doesn't follow row by row order.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_02: They try to nudge ahead of you.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_02: I've kind of gotten in the habit of giving them an elbow in the sternum if I can.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_02: But let's hear it from Jared and Todd.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_00: Jared, go ahead.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_00: You go first.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: I literally tweeted the other day that we need more like adult only public places.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: And like 75% of people I think were like, oh yeah, that's a great idea.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: And like the 25% took it like way too seriously and got super angry at me
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  SPEAKER_01: and like accused me of hating children.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't hate children.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: I hate screaming kids and parents that can't control their children.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: That bugs the hell out of me.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_01: So every time I go into a public place,
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I hear a screaming baby and was like,
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: my God, man, we just need, we need some.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever been on a plane, Jared?
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I've been on a plane, Todd.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: Luckily, I've been pretty good at avoiding babies on planes, which has been good.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: But one flight back from Mobile a few years ago from the Senior Bowl, yeah, I did not get lucky.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember me, and shout out to Mike K, who covers the Panthers at ESPN.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: Him and I were sitting next to each other.
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  SPEAKER_01: We kind of just gave each other a look.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're like, oh, no.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was a baby on the plane.
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  SPEAKER_01: And for the hour and a half flight, we listened to it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Headphones.
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  SPEAKER_01: Headphones.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_02: Headphones.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you want some time?
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let's
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_02: get Todd's.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_02: Let's get Todd's.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_00: When a woman over the age of 60,
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: he takes her shoes off and has bare feet and puts it up on the seat in front of me.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: No, can't do it for four hours.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: Eventually you have to crack and you have to say something and
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: then you're getting duct tape duct tape to a seat.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_02: Did you say something?
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_02: When did this happen?
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, years ago, but she put her grody feet up there with just thick toenails.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
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  SPEAKER_00: how as people get older,
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: their toenails get worse and worse and put it right on the seat that I like,
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm already trying to save room because I'm tall.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_00: I've got long legs and, and if somebody leans their seat back, I'm already ticked off.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_00: But, uh,
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  SPEAKER_00: with somebody putting their bare foot up in front of me,
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: eventually I'm like, this is my area.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_00: Can you please move your foot?
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_02: How was it received?
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: The way I expected.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, before we knew what a Karen was, she was a Karen.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_01: I would also like to throw out the notion of people talking on speakerphone in public.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_01: That drives me insane.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's a bad one, too.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_02: And it's right when the plane lands, making the call that they landed.
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  SPEAKER_02: Where they're gonna be,
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_02: setting up the meetings, tell this person, we don't give a, we don't care.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_02: Shut the
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  SPEAKER_00: hell up.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_00: When you're a football coach on a way to a game,
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_00: to play a game that's meaningful and a player isn't wearing headphones
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  SPEAKER_00: and has their speakerphone on,
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  SPEAKER_00: yes, I've gotten up many times and I said, hey, you know, that's enough.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're getting ready for a game here.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_00: And you're talking to like a four-year-old that's just like babbling.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I agree with that one, Jared.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_02: Good, I'm glad.
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  SPEAKER_02: Solid takes all around.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_02: That's how you start a 2026 NFL preview episode here.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_02: So we made it.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_02: Six months of mostly nonsense and filler.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_02: And we all have to write about it.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_02: We all have to talk about it over the offseason.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_02: But isn't it nice, guys, to have some games finally?
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we did our week one full preview episode today.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: It was fun to just kind of go game by game and talk about things
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: that are actually going to happen and teams that are fully in place rather
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: than projecting.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I guess there's some projecting with it, but, you know, hypotheticals and whatnot.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's nice to actually,
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_01: you know, talk about games that just happened, games that are going to happen.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we actually have football in the air.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's nice.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I should say as well.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_02: This is the Pump Fake Podcast, too.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_02: Jared Bailey, Todd Haley.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_02: They need no introduction, but yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Long-time NFL head coach, assistant coach, Sirius XM, UFL.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know my buddy Jim Monas in that world,
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  SPEAKER_02: Todd Haley,
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_02: and obviously Jared Bailey does a great job of pissing off Pat McAfee,
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_02: so that's a good thing.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_01: Apparently, yeah.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's your bio now.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's your bio blast.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I cut off, Todd.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_01: What were you saying, Todd?
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: Jared, you still don't have your Steeler magnet helmet floating in the air behind you.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: What's going on?
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: I come into the office and I just get in business mode and I forget to turn it on.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_01: I literally have the little thing right here to make it happen and I continue
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: to forget to do it.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: I just kind of fidget with it.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: Steeler's got a big game.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: You better get that thing going, man.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: Don't worry.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_01: It will be.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_02: It will be.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_02: I promise.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_02: What do we think about the Pittsburgh Steelers, guys?
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_02: I guess they're trying to win.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if that's the best idea with this roster and this quarterback.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: Ty, I'll fill you in.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_00: When we did our playoff picks,
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: as much as I love the Steelers,
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, my father played for them, drafted great Hall of Famers.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: I was a ball boy.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: I coached for them for six years.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: Jared's got them in the playoffs.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have men this year.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's a nine and seven.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: How many would it have to be?
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: Nine and eight?
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: Nine and eight year?
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we kind of went back and forth on it.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: And throughout the offseason,
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't say that we've clashed when it comes to Pittsburgh,
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: but I've been of the mindset that, all right, a change is refreshing.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: I think that Mike McCarthy will bring a little bit of a refresh.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't see a reason why they won't be at least as good as they've been, you know, 23, 24, 25.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_01: But we'll see.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: Sunday's going to be already weird.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: They're facing the Falcons' third quarterback.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like there's a greater than zero chance Matt Ryan decides to suit up
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: and just come out of the front office.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: Be like, yeah, what the hell?
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: Phillip Rivers did it, I'll do it.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_02: He did a training camp, right?
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_02: He had to go down and throw the ball a bit.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm high on the Steelers.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: I know that they've kind of been the,
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know,
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_01: everybody in our profession has kind of given them
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: a metaphorical noogie all offseason.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm high on them.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think that they have a playoff ceiling.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't say a Super Bowl ceiling,
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: but I wouldn't have said the Patriots or Seahawks had
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: a Super Bowl ceiling this time last year either.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll allow myself to drink the Kool-Aid and hope to be surprised.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: Ty, he also has the Tennessee Titans make it into the playoffs.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: Just so you know what you're dealing with.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: But I think the Steelers are probably better on paper than they were last year.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, it's a year older Aaron Rodgers, who I love.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: But there's a lot of new.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, Joey Porter Jr., how's that all?
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: You know, is he going to suit up and just go out there and ball out?
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of unknown with the Steelers.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I've been saying I wouldn't be shocked if they won eight.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't be shocked if they won 10 and I fell in
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: the middle feeling like I think it's probably like a nine win season.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_02: I get it.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like there weren't many other quarterback options.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I would just blow Malik Willis away with the deal.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_02: Anything but rolling back Aaron Rodgers at 41, 42, just playing his game, waiting forever.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_02: We, I mean, we have to touch on like the podcast appearances, don't we?
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_02: That's heard around the world at, Look,
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_02: he even brought up one of the stories I wrote on the Cam Hayward podcast
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_02: and was ripping Greg Jennings and Jermichael Finley out of nowhere again.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_02: Bitter and irrelevant players.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_02: I will say this.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_02: It was unbelievably entertaining.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_02: I love the fact that he doesn't give a shit and is saying everything that's on his mind.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_02: Bring it on.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we should ask that out of every athlete that does a podcast appearance
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_02: and interview all the time.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: So it's great.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_02: I watched part one, part two, and I wanted more.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_02: I wanted a part three.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_02: But I will ask you guys this question.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: How about his dating life?
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: Did you enjoy all those?
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's what we're getting to.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_02: That's my question for you guys.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_02: If if you were engaged to somebody and they asked you if they could have earmuffs,
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_02: kids,
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_02: if you're listening at home and they asked you,
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_02: you know, can I just have sex with this other guy here before we get married?
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, A, would you allow it?
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_02: But B, I think the big question here is, would you tell the world?
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think I would tell the world if that happened.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's not an avenue I would explore publicly.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: Let's be clear here, Ty.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: Me, you, Jared, we're not Aaron Rodgers.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: So what I appreciate,
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: I got to know Aaron a little bit through the years out in Tahoe specifically.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: I really like him.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: He walks to the beat of a different drum and he does not give an F about anything.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: And you, me,
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: and Jared,
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: if we were in those shoes with MVPs under our belt and Super Bowl wins,
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't blame him.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: Go out there, say whatever you want.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: I don't care.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_01: If I was in his shoes, though, I probably would have done exactly what he did.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think I would have opened up too much about it,
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: but yeah, I wouldn't be comfortable with that.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think that, if anything, that would make me a bit self-conscious.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why would you want to do that?
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: Then I'd really be thinking- You're not Aaron Rodgers, Jarrett.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's my point.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_00: If any one of us three were Aaron Rodgers,
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: we could sit here and just say whatever we wanted to say to get a rise out
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: of anybody we wanted to get a rise out of and just go on.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you got,
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: but you're, I mean, you don't even have your steeler helmets spinning right now.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: Stuck on the steel helmet spinning.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't portray himself in the best of lights, I suppose.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, you call off the wedding.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_02: You're done at that point.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think he cares.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_02: He doesn't care.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_02: He doesn't care.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: Certain people get to a level where they don't have to care a whole bunch.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: I actually respect the lack of caring when anybody thinks.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: I did too.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought that, look,
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: regardless of what anybody thinks of vaccination things or whatever,
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: personally,
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: I could not care less what Aaron Rodgers thinks about vaccinations or what he does
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: with his body.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: It has no effect on me.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: I can appreciate the fact, like you said, Todd, he doesn't care.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: He'll tell you what he thinks.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: And that's perfectly okay with me.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: Every time that Cam just kind of lobbed him a question and was like, just talk about it.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: I thought, hey, good job by Cam.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: He'll have a long career in media doing that.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: But B, as somebody who isn't a very political guy because I also think it's a sham,
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: hearing him say, yeah, politics are all a work.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, you know what?
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm on board with you, Aaron.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: Keep doing as many podcasts as you want to do.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_02: I had the same reaction.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_02: He ripped the left.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_02: He ripped the right.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_02: I thought he made a few good points in there.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like you said, wherever you stand,
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_02: anything because – The whole immunization thing, he was misleading everybody.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_02: He knew what he was doing.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_02: He could have gone the Kirk Cousins route,
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_02: just owned it from day one, and nobody would have given a damn.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_02: There was a handful of quarterbacks who went that route.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think Wentz was one of those who was like, yeah, I didn't get that.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_02: Lamar Jackson, I want to say too.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I think you might be right.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think that's correct.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_02: The wordplay,
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_02: I think,
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_02: is what pissed people off,
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: but Aaron Rodgers isn't wrong when he alludes to the fact that
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_02: because he feels this certain way and believes certain things,
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_02: most of the media will smell blood.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's just the nature of the, we're in the business.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: He might enjoy it.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: He might enjoy it.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: I am apolitical.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: My father taught me at a very young age to the disdain of my girlfriend,
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: Heather, who likes to talk politics.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: And every time she brings it up, I'm like, I ain't talking about it.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: My bad when I was seven said, don't talk politics ever.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: As a coach, you never talk about religion.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: You never talk about politics.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: So He got beat up pretty good.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: And you could say, well, he brought it upon himself.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: But anything he said at that point in that day and age and all the weird,
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: crazy things that were going on in the world,
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: he was going to get beat up no matter what.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he didn't want to let somebody put something in his body, and I respect that.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, no means no, right?
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_02: He turned heel, embraced the role, and hasn't looked back, and I respect it.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: As a quarterback, what does he still have to offer?
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_02: He admits it himself.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_02: He can't move like
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: he once moved, but his mind is sharp.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_02: His arm's still pretty good.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_02: They added some pieces around him.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: Todd, if you're coaching Aaron Rodgers right now, how would you design an offense?
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_02: How would you call plays and get the most out of him at this point of his career?
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think that's going to be the really interesting thing with the Steelers.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: Mike McCarthy and he, obviously, they had a little falling out.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: But as far as knowing each other,
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: knowing the terminology,
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: signals,
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: all those things, I mean, it's going to be very seamless, in my opinion, for Aaron.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: And now the other players are going to have to get on board.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they got Michael Pittman Jr.'s,
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: you know, got to pick it up fast, which it sounds and looks like he has.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: This guy, you said his arms okay.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think he still throws it at a premier level.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: I really do.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: He can't move and escape like he used to be able to.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: So that's a hindrance, obviously.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: But as far as cerebral play, I don't know.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: With Tom Brady retired,
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: with Peyton Manning retired,
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: with Drew Brees retired,
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think there's a more cerebral guy at the line of scrimmage as far
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: as getting you in the right play,
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: cadence,
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_00: handling all the things that come up that only if you've had a ton
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: of experience doing it,
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: you know, you can handle every situation that is thrown at you.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I think from that standpoint, you can still throw it, you know, so...
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: You're going to make really good decisions.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: So now who are the players around you, I think is the key.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know, how much does Michael Pittman Jr. bring to the mix along with D.K.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: ?
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: Is the running game good enough?
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: Is the offensive line, which I think is going to be, you know, it was better last year.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think it'll be better, but I think, you know, it really comes down to that supporting cast.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: If he has it,
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: if the defense,
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: Jared thinks the defense is going to be better than it's been in three
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: or four years.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know yet.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I like the pieces.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a little worried about the Joey Porter situation,
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: but if the supporting cast is good,
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think Aaron Rodgers is going to go out and succeed and win a bunch of games
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: or be part of winning a bunch of games.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's a great point on his arm.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was Glover Quinn on our show last week.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_02: He played with Matthew Stafford in his Lions days.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_02: And he said, Matthew Stafford, his arm, it's like running a 4-2 as a DB.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_02: As you age, you're slowing to a 4-3 and a 4-4.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_02: You're still going to be really damn fast.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_02: Aaron Rodgers' arm was the strongest in the NFL at his peak.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_02: So even if it is getting a little bit worse and a little bit worse,
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_02: it's still going to be better than most in the NFL.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_02: And that's something you have to lean on.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_02: But they didn't throw the ball deep a lot last year, right, Jarrett?
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_02: That wasn't really part of their offense.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: So that's why I kind of vacillate on this.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean,
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: there were,
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: I think a lot of that had to do with the fact that anytime that there was pressure,
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: or at least anytime Aaron would sense pressure,
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: he would usually get rid of the ball quickly or kill the play,
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: and that kind of put a hard ceiling on what they could do.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: When they did throw the ball deep, though, I mean, he showcased an ability.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: Pretty close to the bottom of the list when it comes to Aaron.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: And the game against,
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: the first game against Cincinnati on Thursday night and on the last play
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: the game, I mean,
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: he threw the ball damn near 70 yards
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: and it looked like he probably could have thrown it more on that Hail Mary attempt.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: So the arm talent,
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: the arm strength,
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: that's not the worry when we're talking about Aaron at this stage of his career.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's if there's pressure, how does he handle it?
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: Is he just going to throw plays right away?
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: Does he have any sort of ability to Extend,
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: create, and let the play develop in the face of pressure.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of the biggest thing that they're going to have to probably work around.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: I agree with that, Jared.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: And what I will be watching very closely,
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: we saw Russell Wilson with the Steelers,
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: with the Giants, and I felt self-preservation come into play with him.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: His arm was not the issue.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: He was now, hey...
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: I want to move on to TV or whatever I'm doing.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: I want to play a couple more years.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: But if you're not 100% in, you're not in.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: You've retired.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: You just haven't announced it.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know,
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: I think we're seeing it with Tua last year and what we're seeing kind
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: of this progression into the regular season for the Falcons.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like this is my opinion.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know that I'm right, but I feel like Tua's retired and hasn't Told anybody yet.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he wants to be out there, but he really doesn't.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: So if we see Aaron Rodgers standing in there early,
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: taking a couple shots from the defense, I think I'm good.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think this guy with a supporting cast can win a bunch of games.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: Can he win 12 games?
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: You got to tell me how good the defense is, how good the running game is.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: But that's what I'll be looking for.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: I want to see him.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I don't want to see him chuck duck, you know, just self-preservation mode.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he's always been a tough guy.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: You got to be smart, obviously, but that's what I'll be looking
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_02: for.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: You know what, Todd?
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: You make a great point on Tua Tungabaioli.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: I had heard whispers that the Atlanta Falcons were a little fed up
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: with his commitment level earlier in this summer.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't really know what to make of it, but now we're kind of seeing it come to fruition here.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: Part of me doesn't blame Tua, all the brain trauma he's been through.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: He got paid, got the contract.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: He's set for life.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_02: His family's set for life.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_02: He's on vet minimum.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_02: If you don't have that burning desire deep within you to stick it to your doubters
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_02: and prove that you're a starting quarterback, you're naturally going to coast.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you probably have seen that in players at all positions through your career.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and with the money these days, absolutely.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I've seen it.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: I've recognized it as a coach,
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: assistant coach,
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: coordinator, head coach, where you're like, this guy, you know, he's not all in.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he just isn't.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: And again, I'm on the outside.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know,
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: but what I saw at the tail end of Miami season last year,
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: and then he got benched, but it didn't look right.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: It didn't look like somebody that was fighting till the end.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: I think we're going to,
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: This is a totally different situation,
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: but Josh Allen, man, Jared's a favorite player in the NFL right now.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: Right, Jared?
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: You'll throw Ty in there, too.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: If I had to guess, Ty's right on the Josh Allen.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: He's dealing with having to go play this Texans defense,
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: which I think if the Texans can win it all,
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: they're going to go down in history with the 85 Bears,
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: the 2000 Ravens, and some of those teams.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: He's got to go put his face right in the fans.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: Josh Allen.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I don't know what's going to happen in this game.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: He struggled against the Texans, but you're not going to see any back down.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: And when you start to see back down, you start to see somebody in that.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: Protection mode, self preservation mode.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's very, it's very alarming.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: So that's why with Aaron, who I really like, and I mean, he's an unbelievable player.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: And to me,
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: the times I've been around him,
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: unbelievable dude,
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: comes out to you before the game, after the game, very, you know, cerebral guy.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: If he looks like he's out there to be out there and lead the team,
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: then I think good things will happen.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: I had to write it down.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: I love the analogy there for the Houston Texans defense.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: Sticking your face in the fan.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_02: That's really what it is.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: You got to put your face, nose first, right in there.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: Imagine what that would feel like.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: Good God.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody's got something dirty about their job.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I coached receivers for eight years,
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: and you try to convince those guys who are kind of divas,
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: you know, they think they're a little, they're just pass catchers.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: You got to tell them to go block Ronnie Lott or Steve Atwater or, you know, whoever it is.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, everybody's got something dirty about their job.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: You got to stick your face in the fan.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, give us an example, Ty.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: Who's the receiver you had that you really had to harden,
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_02: coach up, and get to that place of physicality?
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, my God.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: There's so many.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like Antonio Brown, we just said, just run around every play.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't even want him to bother going in there and blocking anybody.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: so some guys,
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: you just say,
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: hey, we're calling this run, but you're going to run a skinny post or go.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: AB was one of those, and,
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: he was not one that was – and he wasn't built for it,
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: but –
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: You do always say that Darius Hayward Bay was a guy
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: that always got his face dirty and didn't mind it.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, but I didn't have to convince him.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that was easy.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: Ty's asking for somebody.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe Larry Fitzgerald, who,
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: when I got to Arizona,
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: was kind of on a losing team with big stats,
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: wasn't fully committed to the entire offense, I guess you could say.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: And...
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: as I convinced him,
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: and I think he said this in the Hall of Fame celebration,
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: a month ago,
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: that he was very appreciative and he understood and he appreciated that,
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_00: going in there and making a big block was just as important as making a play
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: that shows up on ESPN.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, maybe Larry, you know, now that he's got a gold jacket, I might say Larry.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we got to credit Todd Haley for that gold jacket then.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: That was the pivotal moment of his career of selflessness.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_02: Because you think Larry Fitzgerald, you think selflessness.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_02: You think doing it for the team.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what blocking as a receiver is all about.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's tough to convince some of those guys to go put their face in the fan.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'll tell you that.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_02: Man, yeah, that's the truth.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_02: Is there a game that sticks with you?
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_02: To this day, Todd, like from, I'm just, it pops to mind.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_02: I covered your Steelers-Jags game,
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_02: and that's a Steelers team I really felt like could have gone the distance,
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_02: just on the outside looking in.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_02: Did you guys feel like you were the better team that day on the field?
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: Against the Jags?
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: our defense wasn't,
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: but our offense wasn't either because we,
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: you know, we gave them a few points on offense.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: that game came down to I think there were like three fourth and ones,
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: three third and ones that we kind of gave,
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: you know, we gave Ben a menu of here's the plays.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: We can run it.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: We can pass it.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: We want to be right.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_00: And none of them worked out.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: And then we had a pass interference that wasn't called on Juju that would have been
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: a big play because we got back in the game and,
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: uh, You know, it just, it comes down to situational football.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: We saw it,
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: a couple nights ago with Seattle,
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: fourth and one,
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: probably the biggest play of the game, other than maybe the goal line stand.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: But who do they throw the football to?
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: JSN.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: What's he do?
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: He runs away from everybody and he scores a touchdown.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, in those situations, it's about, Who are your best players?
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: How do we get the ball in their hands?
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: And in that game, you know, we did it a bunch.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Le'Veon made some great play.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we had a really good offense.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: Our defense had aged out a little bit and was still trying to come back a little bit.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: If we had the Steelers defense from,
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: 2010, 9, 8, wherever, I mean, we would have dominated the league, I believe.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_02: I want to give Jared the floor now.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't forgot about you, Jared.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_02: Tennessee Titans.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_02: Let's hear it.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: I was just down
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: there in Nashville.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let's go.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: Pound the table.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: Pound the table.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_02: Pound the table.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_02: Because I get it.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_02: It was ugly in practice even, let alone the exhibition games.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_02: But I think Brian Dable.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: He's going to make life hard for Cam Ward.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's a good thing.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'd rather a coach make life hard for your quarterback than juicy fruit, sugar high gum.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, let's do everything that makes you happy.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: Pat on the butt.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, don't worry.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: Everything's okay.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: Go ahead, Jared.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: Let's hear why you got the Tennessee Titans.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man,
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: like every year there's at least one of those teams that everybody overlooks,
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: doesn't expect much from, and then they don't just surprise.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they make the postseason.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: We've seen it.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: We saw it two years ago with Washington and Jaden Daniels rookie year.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: We saw it last year with, I mean,
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: New England making a run all the way to the Super Bowl a year
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: after only winning three or four games.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: Same thing with Chicago.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think they have the right brain trust that they've brought in.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: I think that Saul is one of those guys who I think will do better
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: in his second time around the job.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's learned a lot from his time being in New York.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: Defensively, they're going to be better by default.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: We know how good of a defensive mind Saul is.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: I like the players that they've brought in.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: John Franklin Myers, Alante Taylor, Cordell Flott.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: So they've brought in some respectable names on that side of the ball.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: And offensively, Cam Ward, that's going to be the key to everything, right?
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I think Brian Dable is the right guy to have there.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: He's a proven floor raiser and ceiling raiser at quarterback.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, to this day, Josh Allen's, what, two best seasons.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: We talked about it, Ty.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: Two best seasons.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: He goes to the Giants then and helps take Daniel Jones to the postseason.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: Still, statistically speaking, the best season of Daniel Jones' career.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: They win a road playoff game that year in Minnesota.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: And even last year,
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: I know that they blew some games late,
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: but Jackson Dart was playing good football with Brian Dable.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I think there's a proof of concept there with him as the offensive coordinator.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's fair to point out that it could be a candle burn at both ends because
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: that tends to be what happens with Brian Dable is
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: that these relationships don't last long.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: But I think the 2026 Titans will see a jump from Cam Ward.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: He has actual receivers to throw the ball to in Cardinals.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: Tate, Wandale Robinson.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: The biggest question is going to be the offensive line.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: Can it just be a good enough unit to keep him clean and let things develop?
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: But I think coaching wise,
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: the upgrades that they have on the roster,
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: the division that they play into an extent,
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: like I think Jacksonville take a little bit of a step back.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think Indianapolis is there's a very high variance team there in Indianapolis.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I think all those factoring in Tennessee can be a team that surprises a lot of people.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know what Robert Salah's teams are going to look like too?
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: Defensively, they're going to finish.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_02: They're going to hit.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_02: Cornerbacks are going to tackle.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_02: The edges are going to hustle through the echo of the whistle.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_02: All those little things I feel like will keep them in
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: games they have no business playing in.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have them in the playoffs,
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_02: but I think the Titans are on the right path, win seven or eight games possibly.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_02: And if, you know, a Jaguars, Colts, they have an injury or two and take a step back.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_02: Why the hell not?
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_02: Why not?
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: I think if they're playing, if they're playing meaningful football in December,
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: that's a hell of a first year for, for solid company.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that that's certainly on the table.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's the key right there.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Does Robert Sala look like the defensive coordinator to get him
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: the initial opportunity with the Jets?
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: Or got him this opportunity as a coordinator for San Fran?
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's the guy I want to see.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to see this stoic guy that you see no emotion.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: if I see that same Robert Saleh I saw last year,
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: you know, I'll feel pretty good about it.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously,
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_00: Cam Ward's going to be a big piece in this puzzle,
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: you know, but I think the key is Robert Saleh.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to,
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: you know, he went as a defensive coordinator when he got the job at the Jets.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: He was emotional.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: You saw fire, you know, running down the sideline and all those different things.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_00: And then all of a sudden he becomes the head coach of the Jets.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like he was just a pylon out there, you know, an orange cone, you know.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: So and then he goes back to San Fran and he looked like Robert Saleh again,
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: running up and down the sideline, firing everybody up.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's important for him and especially a defensive minded coach.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you better have, you know, a little gumption As we'd say in Pittsburgh, Jared.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's a big word in Pittsburgh, gumption.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_00: I want to see that, Robert Sala.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: And if we do, I think, though, they'll have a chance to be really competitive.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: Are they making the playoffs?
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_00: No, in my opinion.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_00: I know that hurts you, but we'll see what happens.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_02: Because players are going to take on the personality of their coach.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: Is that your point?
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_02: If he's himself, he's authentic.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_02: He's going crazy.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: How do guys feed off of that?
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_02: Because, I mean, Todd, you were an assistant coach.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_02: You were a coordinator.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_02: You were a head coach.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_02: You've done it all.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_02: How do you quantify what you're hitting on here?
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think what you said, authenticity.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's the key thing.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah,
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: you can't be a nut job out there by any means,
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: but the players feed off of you as a coach,
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: whether you're position coach, coordinator, head coach.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, if they believe and trust that you're all in,
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: kind of like we were talking about Tua or Aaron Rodgers,
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: If they believe you're all in and all you care about is them being
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: the best they can possibly be,
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: you're generally going to get results if you have good enough players.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I just, like I said, I like Robert Sala.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: he's well connected within this little younger group of coaches
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: that were all roommates, the floor, him and all those guys.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you got to go out there and be him.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_00: He can't try to be something else.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: I fought that a little bit my first year in Kansas City.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: Cause I've been with Parcells for eight years and people would sit in
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: the meeting coaches that I had to say, you sounded just like Parcells.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, well, that, that may not be a good thing.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I don't want to be Bill Parcells.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: I want to be Todd Haley, you know, and I think Robert solid just has to be Robert solid.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_02: That's, that's such a great point.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, is there a, I mean, you guys just did your preview show at the Pump Fake, correct?
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_02: So we want to send people there.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: Imagine all your prognostications in full YouTube channel, Apple, Spotify, everybody out there.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: Make sure you watch the Pump Fake, Jared and Todd.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_02: You guys are awesome.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_02: I love to go in on your show, bantering on Kyler Murray.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_02: I like the Vikings.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_02: They're my sneaky dark horse.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_02: I got him in the divisional round, went in 11-12 games.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, Jared zigzagged so many times, Ty.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm like, you can't put it out there in print and then change your prediction.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that has been the biggest thing is the Vikings.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: Tyler Murray has some zigzagging, though, I'll tell you that.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, we had Ty on our show.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_01: I went on Matthew Collier's show and,
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: talked about the Vikings and just hearing it from Ty, hearing it from Matt.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, my goodness.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and seeing what they did last year,
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: winning nine games with, you know, some really bad quarterback play.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like, maybe I am sleeping on the Vikings.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: I did put it in print.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: I had them as a nine-win team, so that's what is going to be referenced as it should.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: If I put my name on something, I got to stick to it.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: But if there is one team that I would put at the top of the list
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: of teams I'm probably too low on, it's Minnesota.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: I love the coaching staff.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: I love what Brian Flores is going to bring to the table on defense.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: We know what he's going to bring to that side of the ball.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we've seen with that offense, they don't need Kyler to be a top 10 guy.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: They just need him to be,
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: similar to what we've said, Todd, about like the Bengals and Cowboys defense.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_01: If they're just league average, then that's great.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that if that's what Kyler Murray is from Minnesota,
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: then they're going to be perfectly fine.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah,
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think at the end of the year,
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: it's certainly possible that I'm going to have a little bit of egg on my face
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: for being too low on the Vikings.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I lump the Bengals and the Cowboys together because they both have good offenses.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: I believe they'll be good offenses.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: And the defense just has to be midline, you know, somewhere in there.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think the Cowboys might even be better than midline when it's all said and done.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I kind of lump Minnesota in the opposite group, as you said.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I just they're really talented.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: I love the defense.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, Ty's a big Kyler guy.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: I get it.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: I just, I see clips of him in practice and I just, I hate small quarterbacks.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: He's really talented.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: What is the ball gonna go to Justin Jefferson?
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's my biggest question.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: Can he throw from the pocket?
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's how Justin Jefferson's get balls and targets.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, AB would get 15, 20 targets.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: Justin Jefferson needs 15 to 20 targets every single game.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: And that goes back to Seattle the other night with JSN and
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: the most critical situation, throw the ball to your best guy.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: But if you're 5'10", 5'11", can you see him back there?
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: Kyler Murray is a really talented guy.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: He's got all the ability you need.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: I just got to see it put to work.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: Kevin O'Connell,
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: is he going to get him Discipline enough to drop back like Brock Purdy last night.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: How effortless and efficient did he look because he does it the way he's being coached.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: He gets back fast.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_00: He gets back deep.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: He throws the ball in time.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know, footwork, all those.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it looked effortless to me last night.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: He wasn't perfect by any means,
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_00: but it looked effortlessly easy,
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: you know, and distributing the ball where it had to go.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: I got to see that from Kyler to really believe this is the real deal.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it'll be interesting because at his best,
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_02: we see Kyler Murray just zigging and zagging
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: and Creating his own magic like it's his backyard and Kevin O'Connell at his best.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's Kirk Cousins in the pocket dissecting the defense.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: Bing, big, boom.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: Sam Darnold, same thing.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_02: But they've had six months.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_02: I think they've had a lot of time to figure this out with different launch points
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_02: and getting the inside outside zone working and all of these weapons
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_02: and getting Daris on these linemen back at I feel like all of this time,
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_02: I'm still a Kevin O'Connell believer that he can figure this out.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: But it is true, Todd.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_02: At a much,
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_02: much minuscule,
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_02: smaller scale,
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_02: I was a 5'10 quarterback in Section 6 Class D,
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_02: the lowest classification of high school football.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_02: And when I threw the ball,
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_02: I couldn't see over these,
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_02: white country boys in the middle of nowhere,
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_02: Western New York, who are maybe an inch or two taller than me.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_02: I can't imagine being Kyler Murray and trying to see over those linemen.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_02: But the way Chase Edmonds put it,
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_02: He's like,
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_02: look, you're never going to see over those offensive and defensive linemen.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so don't worry about that.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_02: To him, it's about seeing that second level.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_02: And he's confident in this offense with the movement and the different things they can do.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_02: Granted, can it be, is it sustainable, right?
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_02: Can you run your entire offense on the move?
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's a question that I think you brought up.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_02: I think there's a path here.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_02: And we're going to find out pretty soon here against Green Bay.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: A defensive coordinator who knows them very well.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, and he is talented.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: There's no doubt about it.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_00: But I coached the Pro Bowl in 1998 with Doug Flutie, who was a phenomenal athlete, move around.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm standing back there with him saying, how are you seeing where you're throwing?
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: And Doug Flutie obviously did some phenomenal things,
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: never quite achieved in the NFL anyway,
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: what he did in college or in Canada or wherever.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Fran Tarkington, can you still play like that now?
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: The players are so big and fast and they get on you so fast that I think it's,
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know that that's a, Sustainable.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_00: And we've seen Kyler start out with a flurry,
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_00: win seven, eight games in a row, and then it kind of dies down.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: So where is he right now in his career?
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's the biggest question.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm not discarding his talent, ability, any of that.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: I know that if Justin Jefferson is my ex-receiver,
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: I need a guy that can sit in the pocket and throw those in cuts and posts
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: and big deep outs and things like that.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: I got to see it.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_01: I do think that all three of us are in the same boat when it comes to another team
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: in North, and that's the Bears.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_01: Neither Todd nor I picked them to make the playoffs.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_01: Ty, you were on, what, Damoshek's show, right?
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I think he asked you to pick a team from that division
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: that you would bet wouldn't make the postseason.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think you said Chicago, too, right?
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_02: That is correct.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I think they'll be on the outside looking in there.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I think we're kind of in the same boat.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: Is it because their defense is just going to be that bad?
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's what comes back to you with May.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_02: They never really did find a pass rusher, right?
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_02: They went secondary, free agency in the draft, which is fine.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_02: But now your big money signings already hurt.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_02: You don't have him for a while.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_02: Caleb Williams was unbelievable.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_02: You picked five to seven plays.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_02: God, we've been seeing them all offseason.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_02: They're on nonstop.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's better than any five, six plays anybody made.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_02: We shouldn't completely forget about the first three and a half quarters of a lot
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_02: of those games.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_02: And I watched every second of every Bears game.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_02: It was ugly for stretches, really ugly.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_02: And you could see Ben Johnson frustrated.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_02: You could see Caleb Williams frustrated and Caleb Williams stuck with the offense.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_02: He bought in and they, they ran the ball.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_02: They were okay.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_02: Punting.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_02: They got all these turnovers.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_02: They stayed in these games.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_02: And then he'd have these Holy shit plays that were unbelievable, right?
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_02: Straight out of USC high school, everything he's done his whole life.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_02: So I, I don't know.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like every quarterback,
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_02: this side of Josh Allen though,
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_02: it's hard to improve completion percentage, improve accuracy.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_02: You know, That big of a step.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_02: I think he was 31st out of 32 quarterbacks.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_02: Is he just going to vault into the top 10?
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_02: So you're relying on the big plays,
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_02: which maybe he makes a ton of big plays again, but I don't think so.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think the defense forces the turnovers they did last season.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_02: They had really good health on the offensive line.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_02: That's hard to sustain.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_02: I think they'll be fine.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think they're going to be a train wreck that completely falls apart.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I love Detroit.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_02: I really like Minnesota.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_02: Green Bay, we'll see.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, Green Bay could go in any direction.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_02: They're without Micah Parsons, Josh Jacobs.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_02: They've got injuries on the offensive line.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_02: But, yeah, the Chicago Bears, there's still a lot of holes on that roster to me.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_01: Luckily for them,
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: they play in Carolina to kick off their season,
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: and I think the Panthers are going to be terrible.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a game that I think that they should win that game pretty handedly,
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: personally, if we're just talking about week one.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_02: They might, yeah.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_02: They might.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm not a, you know, I'm not a big Carolina fan, but I'm with you, Ty, on Chicago.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_00: I think defense last year, very, and I like Dennis Allen.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_00: he'll have something every week that gives teams problems,
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: but To believe you can sustain just counting on turnovers after giving up 50,
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: 60, 70 yard drives, it's hard to do.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_00: And as you said, I think, Caleb, I think he'll take another step.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: I love Ben Johnson, and I think he coaches him hard, which I like.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_00: I think we'll see improvement.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_00: But as you said,
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think he's going to jump from 58,
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_00: 59 completion percentage to, you know, 66 or something like that.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_00: If he does, great.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_00: But I kind of feel like Ben Johnson,
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_00: when he came out and said,
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_00: we're going to set the all-time points record,
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: he was trying to create the end of the second half for Caleb and the end of
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_00: the fourth quarter.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_00: Because if he can go do those things, they might set the scoring record.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_02: Here's what you like about Ben Johnson, too.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like I said, he coaches him hard.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_02: He's got his offense.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_02: He's got his big-picture vision.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_02: And Caleb Williams...
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_02: He followed suit where I've got a story up on C.J.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_02: Stroud.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think there's another player in the NFL facing more pressure than C.J.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_02: Stroud with I'm totally with you, Todd, an all time defense.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's unlike anything I've seen in years, but C.J.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_02: Stroud has to deliver.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_02: And what I heard is, you know, I think Bobby Slowick coached him hard and.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_02: Those two had their issues.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_02: They butted heads.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_02: It didn't work out.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_02: They went from having these impromptu 30-minute meetings in Bobby's office
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_02: to just not having them and just being coworkers and barely talking to each other.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_02: They make the playoffs.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_02: They try to get it going.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's too little, too late.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_02: In comes Nick Caley,
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_02: and he's not as hard on the quarterback, which can be a good thing or a bad thing.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_02: What I was told, though, is, you know what?
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_02: If C.J.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_02: Stroud didn't want to run certain plays...
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_02: From under center,
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_02: they just went shotgun,
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_02: and you're going to zap your own unpredictability by doing that.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_02: If he didn't necessarily read the play right,
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_02: but it was a completion, it wasn't always corrected.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_02: So they get along better than the previous two did, and Nick Haley can't evolve.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_02: I think you're going to see more downfield passing.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_02: You have to see more downfield passing, but now a better offensive line.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_02: He should be more comfortable in the pocket.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, though.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_02: The older I get,
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_02: I kind of skew toward the coach who knows what he wants,
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_02: has a vision,
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_02: and is going to make it hard for the quarterback,
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_02: and you're going to go through growing pains.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_02: And this is why I'm kind of with Jared on the Titans stuff.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like Dable will coach Cam Ward that way, and they'll go at it.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_02: Cam Ward's a fiery guy.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_02: They're going to butt heads.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_02: But I can see that working out in a weird way.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_02: But you've got to have those hard conversations to get to where you want to get to.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think that just comes down to CJ willing to do it.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Todd,
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure there's plenty of times,
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_01: whether it was in Kansas City with Matt,
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_01: Pittsburgh with Ben, whoever it may be, where you guys butted heads at least once.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's no different than being a parent.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_00: You can't be the kid's friend.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you've got to instill discipline.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, coaching will never change, in my opinion.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_00: You know, for me, with CJ, you said he's got to deliver.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_00: See, I would take the approach of all I'd be talking to CJ about is we don't care
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_00: about stats offensively.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_00: We want to convert third downs.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_00: We want to score when we're in the red zone, but don't try to do too much.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_00: You got maybe arguably one of the best defenses ever.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_00: You don't have to do too much.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_00: Just be smart and don't lose the game.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's the way Brock Purdy plays and why San Francisco's had so much success
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_00: when he's playing.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_00: Just do the things you're supposed to do and make plays and clutch situations
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_00: where he's gotten himself in trouble, I believe.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I really thought when Davis Mills went in there
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_00: and won four games playing average football, That CJ would see that, recognize it.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_00: But these players, I mean, they're very coaches, very stat-driven.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I guarantee it,
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_00: Nick Kaley or Bobby Sloak,
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_00: whoever, when the game ends, they're looking at the stats.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_00: They're looking at what everybody else did.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: Where do we rank?
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_00: With the Texans, I don't think it really matters.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_00: Just don't beat yourselves.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_00: And that's hard to tell a really good player like CJ, don't do too much.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_00: But if you can get it done, This team's going to be hard to beat.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they give up 17 points a game.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's very easy to score 18, 19, 20 points.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_00: But that doesn't look good on the stat sheet.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't sound good when you watch ESPN or NFL Network.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody's like, oh, they're only scoring 20 points a game.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they're winning every game.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's why Mike Vrabel wins a bunch.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's why Sean Payton wins.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's why Bill Parcells,
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_00: if Parcells heard us talking about a stat, he might hit you upside the head.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it was not allowed.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_00: Just worry about winning the game.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_00: How do we score more points than the opponent?
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_00: I went through this in high school with parents when I was coaching for just fun.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_00: And it ended up being misery.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: We're winning every game.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_00: Parents are off the wall.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_00: My kid's not getting the stats and this and that and the other.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_00: The name of the game is winning, but it's a different world.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_00: So don't get caught up in stats.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, And I think D'Amico is really a smart, astute guy.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_00: And hopefully between him and Nick, they make that kind of a mandate.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think we saw it in Seattle.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_00: Mike McDonald doesn't care how many points they score as long as it's more than what
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_00: the opponent scores.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: He is not worried about that.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_00: And you generally get it with defensive coaches.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_00: an offensive coach,
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_00: you know, he's going to pick up the stat sheet right after the game.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, we threw for 350 and we, this, you know, just win the game.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that the best thing that D'Amico or Kaylee can do is,
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_01: like, there's egos in football.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's not a secret.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know,
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: I think that why it works in San Francisco,
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: like you pointed out,
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: is because I don't think Brock Purdy really has an ego about it.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: And that's not me saying that I think CJ does.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_01: But if there is a little bit of that there where he wants to be a big play guy
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: and regarded as somebody who isn't just a passenger,
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think you've got to have good coaching to be able to talk him down from that ledge
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_01: and be like, look, man, we're winning and you're a part of that.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_01: But that doesn't mean that you have to be John Wayne on the field and try things
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_01: that aren't necessary for us to win.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean,
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_02: the way a coach described it to me was,
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_02: Bobby Slowick, if you're using the golf analogy, is using his driver off the tee.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_02: And you might get a birdie, you might get a bogey or double bogey.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_02: Nick Haley wants to keep it on the fairway, play for par.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_02: And with, I mean, a defensive-minded head coach, D'Amico Ryan's the best defense in football.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_02: I get it.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_00: Or I just...
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_00: Keep it close, score enough.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_00: You want to play like Scotty Scheffler.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_00: You're smarter than everybody else on the golf course, and you're also better.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_00: So CJ, I think, is really talented.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_00: Be smart.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_00: Don't try to be a hero, but make the plays when you need to make the plays.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_00: Scotty Scheffler does it week in and week out.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_02: Because there is a coach on staff.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_02: When I brought this analogy up, he's like, well, it can kind of go both ways.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_02: You could say we should take more chances because we'll just get to
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_02: the ball right back with our defense.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, you know what?
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_02: That makes a lot of sense too.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_02: You're shaking your head.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_02: You don't like it, Todd.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_00: You want to be John Daly over here?
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_02: Greg Norman.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, John Daly's better.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_02: A few drinks in the system to really
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_02: fuel the golf game.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, let's end it here.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_02: Give me your Super Bowl prediction right now.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even know who you guys picked.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: I went with Cincinnati and Dallas with the Cowboys winning.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_00: Cowboy guy.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_00: Dallas.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_00: AFC, I am going Buffalo Bills.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_00: NFC, I'm going to go with the chalk line and I'm going to go LA Rams.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_02: I like it.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_00: You're not going to take the
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_02: eraser out.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: You're sticking with it.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_00: The couple of showdowns we've seen with Josh Allen and Matthew Stafford
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_00: a couple years ago that I think we could see like one of
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_00: the most incredible Super Bowls ever if that came to be.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_02: It was a hell of a regular season game a couple years ago.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_01: Just give me one Josh Allen Super Bowl, man.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_01: Of all the guys in the league I want to see win one, he's certainly at the top.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_01: So I would love nothing more.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_02: I think Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_02: They've got to be playing in the game this year.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_00: They'll both get one, I believe.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know,
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_00: my only continued nightmare and regret is that we had a chance
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_00: to take Saquon Barkley number one and Josh Allen number four with Cleveland Browns
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: in 2018.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_00: Could have had them both.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: We could have had them both.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you can't just mention that And we can't just sign off.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, take us inside that draft room, please.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, look, Baker just got paid.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_01: Baker's pretty
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_02: damn good.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I love, that is never a negative of Baker.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_00: I love Baker, but there's a lot of voices in that Cleveland Brown building.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you've ever been there.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's like working at Google.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there are so many cubicles.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_00: In the morning I walked in, I'm like, good morning, morning.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_00: How you doing?
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_00: How you doing?
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_00: How you doing?
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, good morning.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_00: Good morning.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_00: Good morning.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_00: You don't know anybody.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_00: And there's a lot of voices that are heard.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, Jimmy Haslam asked me every single day.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_00: We went on his plane to see Baker,
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_00: spend two days, to Sam Darnold, to, you know, Josh Rosen, to Josh.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_00: And every day asked me, and he's kind of a close talker, so he'd be right here against my face.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_00: And he'd say, who are you taking?
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Josh Allen.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_00: Josh Allen.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_00: Every single day.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_00: And then I said, You know, I think we could get Josh at four.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_00: We could take Saquon at number one.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_00: I love him too.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know, let's get both of them and see what happens.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_00: And that's no, again, you know, I love Nick Chubb.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we got him in the second round.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_00: I love Denzel Ward.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_00: They're all good players, Baker included.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_00: But, I mean,
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_00: when you're draft,
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_00: my father taught me very early,
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_00: you don't want to be picking up where you're picking.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_00: You know, whether it was with the Cardinals or the Bears when I first got there.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_00: So when you're there, you better get difference makers.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know,
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_00: you don't want to get overachievers or,
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_00: you know, Parcells called me after that draft.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_00: He says, you can, you can, you can fit your first four picks in a climb car.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you got all little guys, Todd, what are you doing?
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_00: so I want a six, five,
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_00: Josh Allen that can run a four or five and a smart,
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_00: and I want to Saquon Barkley that can flip over top of people and make plays.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know, when you're up there picking early, you better get guys that make a difference.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, my first draft with the Chiefs, I mean, there weren't any.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_00: Look at the 2009 draft.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's like three guys that maybe you said, okay, they had really good careers.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_00: Matthew was one of them, but we couldn't take them.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_00: But took a four-technique defensive end and a 3-4, Tyson-Jackson.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_00: Great guy, good player, but we're picking fourth.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_00: You get a guy that really isn't going to make a difference for you.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_00: Man, I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you,
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_00: Ty and Jared, right now if we took Saquon and Josh.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_02: What did you see in Josh Allen then, Ty?
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_02: What blew you away at that point?
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_02: Because he was a polarizing prospect.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_00: Opinions were all over the place.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_00: Upside, smart, great kid, big, And everybody's like, he's not accurate.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_00: But he's throwing to guys that are now working at,
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_00: they might be working at Microsoft,
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_00: they might be working at Walmart, they might be working at Pizza Hut.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's throwing to little guys.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he was the man among boys.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_00: There's no player.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_00: Dak Prescott is one.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_00: But when you evaluate, you watch all the tape, you take it home at night, you watch it.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_00: And Dak Prescott is a player that at Mississippi State,
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like,
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_00: Whoever was standing around, my kids were like, hey, come look at this play.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's unbelievable.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_00: Dak was one of those guys.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_00: And Josh Allen,
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_00: despite,
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_00: not statistically any of those things,
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_00: I rewound the tape more times and called coaches in and said, look at this throw.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the snow is going sideways.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_00: He's got no glove.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_00: And he's making plays that not many people on the planet could make.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're drafting in the top five,
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_00: you better take a guy that has the ability to do things that nobody else can do.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_02: What were your meetings like with him?
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you sat down with him.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_00: He just, he's a great kid.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_00: the funny thing is I was having to,
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  SPEAKER_00: I had to fly down south after our two days when he came to our place.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm at the gate and he's on my flight, ironically.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, he comes over, we sit down.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, just there was something unique and special about him on top of the fact
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_00: that you got to look up at him and his hands are size 11.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you don't want to take overachievers.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_00: You want to take guys that can knock your socks off, whatever position it is.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_01: And for what it's worth,
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_01: everybody,
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_01: you'll get plenty of stories like this on the Pump Fake,
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_01: a shameless plug for our podcast where Todd is full of 30 years of stories from
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_01: the NFL.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_01: So this is what I'm exposed to three times a week on our show, and it's the absolute best.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_01: I just became Jared Bailey there.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_01: I just – I wanted more.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_02: I want more.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_02: Todd, give me more on this.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_00: Now that, Ty,
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_00: I know you're a Western New York guy,
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_00: I had a play – I went to Chautauqua Lake for – My whole life.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_01: Get out of here.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_00: No way.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, you're my new favorite story, Jared.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_00: Ty's my new favorite.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_02: Me and my wife were at Chautauqua Lake last weekend.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, were you?
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_02: Chautauqua Institute.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_02: We stayed there a little bit away.
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  SPEAKER_00: My dad with the 1979 Super Bowl,
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_00: his earnings, I think in 1979, he was basically the general manager.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_00: They called him the director of player personnel.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't have GMs.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_00: He made, according to him, he made $17,500 was his salary.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we lived in a little split level in South Hills of Pittsburgh.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_00: And with the playoffs and Super Bowl win in 79, he made another $18,000.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_00: So with that, he bought a little cottage in Chautauqua.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_00: And he bought a little boat.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I was taught how to cover it.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_00: Drive it, park it, do all those things.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_00: So 1979, Chautauqua from that day on.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_02: Did you get out to Midway Park?
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_02: Were you young enough for that?
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, Midway.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_00: My sister used to let me drive her car.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_00: I was underage, but she let me drive around Midway.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_00: Bemis, my house was in Bemis right on Lakeside.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_00: So I bought that when I was with the Steelers and just sold it,
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_00: but could walk to the village and surf club and Yeah.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_02: I could have dropped all our old high school rivals and you would have been able to keep up.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_02: Where did you go to high school?
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_02: Ellicottville.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a big skier.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_00: Done a ton of times at Holiday Valley.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_00: Love it.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, we got a lot in common.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think we just became best friends, Todd.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_02: And I assume you like buffalo wings.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we just call them wings.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_02: We don't call them Buffalo wings.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_02: They're just wings.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_02: And you got to know where to go.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_02: Do both of you guys have a go-to spot?
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_00: The saloon in Lakewood is mine.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_00: Or the original ankle bra in Buffalo I like.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_00: But the saloon in Lakewood is the best wings.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_00: It used to be the casino, but they changed...
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_00: Ownership, but in Bemis, that was the best of all time.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_00: They have the Guinness Book of World Records for most wings
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_00: and three bud splits sold in a night.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_02: Shit, I've never had wings there.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_02: Gonna have to put that on the list.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_00: They're not like they used to be.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, ah, alright.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_02: I'm talking, I'm talking, I'm talking
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_00: in the 70s and 80s.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_02: Well, the Chautauqua Bell would have been around back then, right?
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_02: Did you ever get on that steamboat?
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, oh yeah,
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I've had a lot of friends have receptions and wedding parties out there, but no,
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_00: I spent a lot of time,
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_00: probably too much time with my girlfriend because I made her sit through a winter
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_00: and it became like the shining when everybody leaves and goes back to Pittsburgh
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_00: or Cleveland or Buffalo and you're sitting there in the dark with
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_00: a Bigfoot outside your door.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_00: Right, Jared?
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_01: Oh God.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_01: Don't get them started on the potential Bigfoot in the Northeastern area.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_02: You're a non-believer, Jared?
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm agnostic.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think about Bigfoot the same amount of time I think about indie films.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay, I hope you all get what you want.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't really, it's not up my wheelhouse personally.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_01: But no, Todd and my father are both massive into it.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I get it from both ends and it's very silly.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_02: We should plug Blurry Creatures.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_02: Aaron Rodgers' brother, Luke Rodgers, has the best podcast in that world.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_02: Blurry Creatures.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_02: They're talking Bigfoot.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_02: They're talking, I mean, giants, which were real.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_02: They were here before the Native Americans.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_02: What else did they get into?
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, ghost stories.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of it has a biblical background.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_02: They talk to somebody who is convinced he saw a mermaid out in the ocean.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_02: This podcast is wild.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_02: So, yes, Blurry Creatures.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_02: Check it out.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_01: I might have to.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_01: Is it podcast only?
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_01: Is there like a visual of it on YouTube?
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_02: Their YouTube channel is huge.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_02: They're blowing up.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_02: People love it.
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'll have to.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we'll have to.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe we'll review that like in the off season.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_01: We'll just have like a weekly blurry creatures review show on the pump fake.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe we'll get Luke Rogers on.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see what strings we can pull.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_02: Get Aaron on and he can talk about a lot of different things.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_02: See, we brought a full circle.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_02: We brought it right to the top there.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_02: This was awesome.
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_02: You guys are great.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks so much for hanging out on a Friday night like this, fellas.
• 1:03:55
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, dude, thank you for having us.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_02: The Pump Fake Podcast.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_02: Jared Bailey, Todd Haley.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's phenomenal.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_02: Subscribe, download wherever, however you get your pods.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_02: Make sure you work both of these guys into your life.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and if I can plug one more thing real quick, Ty.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_01: The SB Nation app, it is out now.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_01: Please go and download that.
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_01: Keep up with your favorite teams from all of our different sites.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_01: All four major sports.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_01: We got a site for them, so please download that as well.
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_01: And listen to Todd on SiriusXM, right?
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_02: Of course.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_02: You're still doing it.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_00: Got a show tomorrow, 2 to 5.
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_00: Had one this morning.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, listen in.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_00: Sirius XM, Channel 88.
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, Ty,
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_01: you're muted, buddy.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_02: There we go.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_02: At least I waited until the end.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_02: Fat fingers hit the mute button on this in the courtyard.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much, fellas.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_02: We'll do it again soon and enjoy the games.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for having us, Ty.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_00: Hey.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, wow.