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BONUS Episode - 2023 Lancer Presentation - The Martins · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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And you weego and here we go as right, folks, Welcome to our
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presentation. My name is Rob Clark, the host of the Long Gum And
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podcast. I am also the host our co host of the Quick Hits podcast
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that I do with my buddy Doug Campbell. It was actually there in Dallas
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amongst you today. Of course, he might be down at the Tacock.
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I think it's close to lunchtime, but I would highly recommend that you put
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off your lunch just a little bit longer today because you're not going to want
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to miss this presentation. It is chock full of very new information and fantastic
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stories that you are not going to want to miss. But I did not
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come alone. I brought along my secret weapon, my partner in crime,
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mister Joe Barelli. Hello everyone, my name is Joe Borelli, and I
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just want to first of all say I am honored to be presenting alongside such
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legendary researchers whose books line my bookshelf. I have a background in finance.
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I worked in wealth management for several years and now I work for a financial
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tech company during doing pattern and data analysis. So essentially my job is I
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go through vast data sets look for pattern errors anomalies to improve financial algorithms.
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So I have a unique skill set, and over the course of my JFP
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journey, I noticed the name of Martin repeatedly popping up in the assassination story.
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A lot of these Martin's first names started with Jay and in a couple
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of cases middle names. When Rob and I started seriously researching this anomaly,
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we were amazed to what we stumbled onto, which was the Martin alias,
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an alias we believe that was used by the CIA over the course of decades,
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and hence the Martin Show was born. That's right, Joe. And
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when we're talking about the Martin alias, you know, you also have to
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realize that the Martin surname is also sometimes people's legitimate last name. So when
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we took a look at the Martin surname, we realize that it's ranks in
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the number twentieth as of the twenty ten census. We don't have the data
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from sixty three to give you, but when you when you see that,
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you know it's kind of middle of the road, kind of generic, kind
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of forgettable. You know, it's not so common, you know, like
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Smith or Johnson, or Williams or Brown. But it's also not so obscure,
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you know, as to stand out in your in your mind as being
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memorable, which is something that you want in an alias. So let's move
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on to our first Jay Martin. Now we have thirty of them for you
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today, okay, but for the sake of time, we're not going to
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be able to go through them. Ma all here today with you, we're
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going to highlight some a couple of these for you and give us a brief
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description and go into more depth for a couple or a few of them here
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today for this presentation. So, like I said, the first one is
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Jack s Martin. Everybody knows this guy is famously getting pistol whipped by Guy
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Banister and dropping a dime on David Ferry to the FBI early on. His
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real name is Edward Suggs. He used the Jack s Martin alias in New
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Orleans as well as the Colonel Jack Martin alias in New Orleans, and he
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also used the John J. Martin and Bishop John Martin alias is in Kentucky
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according to the Bishop Christopher Maria Stanley yep. And those top four are the
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alias. Says that Suggs used. We also we're not going to mention all
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these again. Like Rob mentioned, we have John C. Martin, who
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was the head of security at the International Trademark. You have John Martin Junior,
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the postal worker, worked with Harry Holmes and he filmed Dealey Plaza film
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which a lot of people get mixed up with. Our next Martin, John
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T. Martin, who was a student that filmed both Walker's House pre assassination
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and the street fracas involving Lee Harvey Oswalt in New Orleans. Yeah. Also
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mentionable are Johnny or otherwise known as Juan Martin, who was involved with Serena
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Odio, Silviodio's sister and they offered her arms for her anti Castro group Jure
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also the alias Jean Martin that Pierre Lafitte used in New Orleans. He was
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the subject of the book Coop in Dallas. And John Martin Thorne, who
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was Marina's lawyer during her warrant commission testimony and was introduced to Marina by her
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babysitter agent representative James Herbert Martin. Yes, we will be getting in to
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him in serious detail shortly. We also have James Wilford, known as Jim
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Martin, Ruby's lawyer and the only survivor of the meeting at Ruby's apartment tonight
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that he shot Oswaltz on November twenty fourth, nineteen sixty three. Yep.
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And next up we have James Herbert Martin, and we just mentioned Marina's business
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manager and agent, which we'll be getting into more later and Jack W.
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Martin, who was actually a Secret Service suspect that had an APB put out
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on him and actually before Oswell was arrested on eleven, twenty two sixty three.
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And we just think it's a little odd that they're sending the Secret Service
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to chase down on a Jack Martin in Louisiana before Oswald is arrested. Yeah,
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within an hour after the assassination. You have a couple DPD cops named
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Martin that we're not going to go into detail in. Joseph James Martin is
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another one we wanted to highlight. He was a CIA intelligence assistant from nineteen
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fifty to nineteen fifty eight in the Transportation Branch Services Division, worked out of
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DC and there's been a lot of confusion over the years if Joseph James Martin
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was Jack s Martin nor Suggs and if he was other Martins, but we
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were unable to determine that. Next up, we have Roland Jay Martin,
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owner of Martin's Cafe in New Orleans. He managed to cash at least nine
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that we know about paychecks of Lee Harvey Oswald from the Riley Coffee Company.
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Yeah, we have that graphic. We'll show to you shortly. Lewis J.
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Martin, who is an alias of Lewis McWillie, one of Ruby's closest
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friends, a notorious mobster, gun runner and Santo traficante associate. And speaking
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of mafia, why don't you finish off our last Martin? Kind of yes,
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John Martino, former Castro prisoner, mobster, electronics expert, and alleged
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bag man for the JFK assassination by some dubious sources. Yeah, his book
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is fascinating and mentions David Morales in nineteen fifty three, decade before anyone knew
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his name. But God, now we will be getting into the first segment,
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which is Jolly Joe Martin, and I will let Rob take it away.
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Jolly Joe Martin definitely qualifies as a Jay Martin name Now Jolly Joe Martin
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was a real guy in Omaha radio. And to get to him, I
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got to him through researching Jack S. Martin. And to do that,
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I read quite quite a bit of Joe Mellen's book of Farewell to Justice,
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and I came across this crazy story that Thomas Beckham told about Jolly Joe Martin
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and U which led me down several rabbit holes of interesting stories. Now,
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Jolly Joe Martin was past the baton in nineteen fifty one when Johnny Carson left
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Omaha to go to Hollywood. Martin commanded fifty three percent of the radio audience
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in the early nineteen fifties, so this guy was a big deal. He
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did multiple shows daily and on the weekends, and also hosted a television show
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during the week for little kids who came home from school to eat lunch called
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snicker Flickers, where he would do funny dialogue and sound effects to go along
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with old silent movies think Mystery Science Mystery Science Theater three thousand, only with
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silent movies in the fifties. But yeah, odd stuff back then. But
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he was a very busy guy and very high in demand, very popular.
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Now, how he comes into the story is that, according to Beckham,
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Jack Martin ordered him to get the heck out of New Orleans to evade Garrison
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subpoena for the grand jury, and at this time Beckham moves back and forth
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between Nebraska and Iowa. The one person who helps him is a man named
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Joe Martin, who was a disc jockey at Kowham Radio in Omaha. This
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Martin is a mild, unassuming man, a right wing Republican who began in
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radio in the nineteen forties with Johnny Carson at Omaha's Wow. Although Joe Martin
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seems to be unconnected and a nobody, he was selected to compose the theme
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song for the nineteen sixty four Republican National Convention, and it made station manager
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Mike Starr wonder Joe Martin from lowly, Omaha. Now A lot of employees
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at kowh had had or have Air Force backgrounds. The majority owner of the
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radio station, who purchased it in nineteen sixty two was William F. Buckley
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Junior. Maybe you've heard of him and his brother, Ross Buckley, who
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lived in New Orleans right down the street from clay Shaw. He would also
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hang out with Terry Thornley on Friday nights at the Writer Coffee House with William
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Cuthbert Brady, and together with Brady in nineteen sixty two, Ross Buckley organized
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something called the Fair Cuba Committee, not fair play for Cuba committee, but
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the Fair Cuba Committee gotcha. So here's where the craziness starts. So station
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manager Mike Starr starts to hear of secret phone calls to Joe Martin and whispered
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conversations, and Martin leaves would disappear with no explanation for hours at a time.
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He is, in fact involved in shielding and protecting Garrison witnesses and helping
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them avoid his openions. So Joe Martin finally confides in Mike Starr about what
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he's doing. He's running a CIE safehouse, he reveals. Starr, who
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is a young graduate of the Georgetown School of Law, also serves as Judge
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Advocate General at Offit Air Force Base, which Beckham has told stories about Fred
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Chrisman being able to get them on the base no problem, and all of
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this weaving in and out of Operation looking Glass and all kinds of other crazy
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stuff. Now at the safehouse, Martin says he's been recording the stories of
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those he is shielding on tapes he plans to play on kow h Now.
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Star feels he will lose his FCC license or be prosecuted and says no,
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no, Joe, absolutely not, sir now. One night, six weeks
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after Joe Martin as for airtime to play his assassination tapes, there was a
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loud banging at the door. Two men show up, flashing IDs, claiming
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CIA and chase Joe Martin into the basement. They clutch him and drag him
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off into the night. They claim that they'll hear from him in a little
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while. They don't know when he'll be back, and they disappear. Beckham
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believe that one of the men must be must have been Fredly Christman, because
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suddenly there he was. Beckham says, I might as well return to New
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Orleans. I can lie or say nothing. You might say something you shouldn't
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say. Fred laughs smart as I am even I make mistakes, and then
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he also threatens Beckham with this, if I am subpoena as a result of
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anything you say, I'll kill you. So three days after Joe Martin disappeared,
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Mike Starr received a telephone call from the psychiatric unit of Saint Mary's Hospital.
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Did he want to pick up Joe Martin? Sure so. When Star
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arrived and Martin was cowering in the corner, unshaven and disheveled, Martin tried
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to talk, but could not remember anything about the last three days. He
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would be unable to ever go on the air again. All he would say
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when finally he could speak, was that he had been working with somebody who
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tried to get away from it. Now, as good as Joe Millan is,
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even she gets things wrong, Joe Martin would be okay. He in
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fact, would go on the air again, and managed to have several jobs
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throughout the seventies and eighties at KHSTV and KMVTTV in Twin Falls, Idaho,
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until he finally passed away in nineteen ninety five. Now, interestingly enough,
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in nineteen sixty seven, a lightning strike caused enough damage to take the station
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off the air for a few weeks. In August, the OUTUS delayed the
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start of the new format, playing for September first, as a returning to
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the air. The program changed was further delayed until October first, while waiting
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for a new stereo tape equipment to arrive. So was this done to prevent
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Jolly Joe Martin from playing his assassination tapes on the air. Who knows?
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Now, back to Thomas Beckham for a second, is he telling the truth?
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Because for those of you who haven't looked into Thomas Beckham yet, I
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would highly reckon men going back and checking out his HSCA testimony and giving it
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a read, because it's very interesting. It differs highly from his Garrison Grand
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Jerry testimony, and what he told investigators Bob Burris and oj Delsa made them
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want to polygraph him because the story he was telling was so fantastical. So
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in nineteen seventy eight, Richard Hunter, a former partner of Bob Burris,
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as a favor, did the polygraph and there was no cost at all to
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the committee. Was he being truthful? Well, after two days, Hunter
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revealed his conclusion and he discovered no deception whatsoever in Thomas Beckham. Either he's
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the greatest liar that Hunter had ever encountered, or he was telling the truth.
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So the next day they were summoned to Washington, their immediate supervisor,
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Cliff Finton. They were charged with conducting an unauthorized polygraph and punished with two
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week administrative suspensions for doing this. The committee constructed and after the fact paper
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authorization of the polygraph so that Buers and Delsa could be reimbursed for their airfares
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and bringing Beckham to Louisiana. Now, one other interesting little tidbit I came
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across in the course of researching into Omaha Radio, which is, believe me,
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fascinating, not really. For a contracted number of weeks, in nineteen
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sixty two, Bill Dalzel hosted the hour long Cameo Coffee Club live from the
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Crossroads Shopping Mall at ten am. It featured interviews, prizes, free coffee
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and donuts for shoppers, and fashions. Now, I don't have a lot
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of time to get into Bill Dalzel with you here today, but just know
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that that is another deep CIA associated rabbit hole, and somebody might be thinking
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Bill Dolls. You know he's not a radio DJ. Well, he might
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not be a radio DJ, but he was involved in the Free Voice of
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Cuba, a shortwave radio transmission to the people of Cuba, and he was
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also on the air we in New Orleans in nineteen sixty and sixty one so
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he did have previous radio experience, so it's not out of them possibility that
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this guy is the same guy. And that's interesting to me. So let's
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go back to the slides here. Sorry for a slight delay. All right,
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So I was wondering, Okay, does all this line up, Joe
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Martin line up? Is Mike Starr a real person? You know, because
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you never know until you look into things, you know that could be telling
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this fantastical story. Well, yeah, Mike Starr is a real person.
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His brother Peter Starr is a real person. William F. Buckley real person.
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In fact, Peter Starr Mike Starr's older brother William F. Buckley Junior,
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since he was thirteen years old from his paper route and when Peter Starr
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graduated from college in sixty four, he went to work as a salesman for
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an Omaha radio station owned by Buckley, and in four months he was promoted
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the manager of the station. Now, at some point, of course,
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his younger brother would take over managing the station, and the brothers would form
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Star Broadcasting Corporation with the help of William F. Buckley and acquire many more
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radio stations and grow their little thing. Now The interesting thing about Omaha Omaha
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Radio Station is in nineteen sixty nine they kind of switched formats to a experimental
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format of progressive rock and jazz, and it was a mix of rhythm and
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blues, traditional blues, international music, hardcore rock, free form rock.
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And in nineteen sixty nine they sponsored the Grateful Dead appearing at the Music Box
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in Omaha, which is interesting considering that the Grateful Dead have been suspected of
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helping the CIA spread the gloriousness of LSD to the population. So very interesting
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stuff there. Now, Mike Starr was so pissed off at William F.
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Buckley Jr. He wrote a book in twenty fifteen called What a Friend We
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Had in Bill WILLIAMOTH Buckley Jr. The Rise, Betrayal and Fall of Star
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Broadcasting. Now, apparently everything was great in the sixties, excuse me,
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And into the seventies everything started to fall apart very quickly for Star Broadcasting,
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and William F. Buckley screwed over the Star Brothers and basically served them up
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on a silver platter to the FCC and cost the millions and millions of dollars.
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And that was the end of Star Broadcasting. Folks. To bring us
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all full circle, I found this little tidbit about Gary Mack that I mean,
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the name pops out at you. You know, we all know him
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from the sixth Ford Museum and as a conspiracy researcher before that. But there
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was actually a guy who was using the on air personality name of Gary Mack
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on KOIL in nineteen sixty five and then moved his show to Chicago. Now,
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a young Larry Dunkle, growing up in the suburbs of Chicago in the
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mid nineteen sixties would have likely heard Gary Mack on the air. Now,
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Gary Mack would go on to change his name to Gary Gears at some point
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in the mid sixties. But when Larry Dunkle moved to Texas and got involved
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in radio and television, maybe as an homage to one of his childhood heroes,
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he named himself Gary Mack. And the rest is history. And that
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is a story of Jolly Joe Martin. And next up we have one of
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my favorite Martins, and that is mister James Herbert Martin. And look at
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this handsome fella here in this image escorting Marina into the war and commission to
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testify. He is commonly known as Marina's business manager and agent, essentially her
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babysitter, similar to the way George de Morenshield and Ruth Payne were previously.
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He worked at the six Flags in in Dallas at the time of the assassination
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and took in the Oswalt family the night Ruby shot Oswalt on November twenty fourth.
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He actually reached out to the Fort Worth Sheriff, who contacted the Secret
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Service to offer the Oswalt family a place to stay. Only five days later.
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Marina and her two children moved into the Martin home on November twenty ninth,
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nineteen sixty three, only five days after Lee was murdered. James Herbert
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Martin was also a military man. He this is his draft card he signed
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up in June of nineteen forty five, And this is going to get us
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to his work history, which Rob and I have done a big deep dive
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on and it's very interesting. He was working at the Saint Louis Hilton Stratler
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Hilton Hotel and in nineteen fifty six he was transferred to the Dallas Statler Hilton
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Hotel. In nineteen fifty nine, he left the Statler Hilton hotel and became
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a salesman for the Carte Blanche credit card company, which was also a part
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of the Hilton company. And it's interesting that cart blanche means kind of go
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wherever you want. But there is an interesting gap in his work history,
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and that is from mid nineteen fifty nine to mid nineteen sixty two, coincidentally,
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very close to the time Lee rv. Oswald was in Russia. And
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we'll get into some of his work history. This is another FBI document that
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talks about how he was elevated to credit manager at the hotel and left the
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hotel's employee sometime in nineteen fifty nine and went to work for six Flags over
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Texas. But as we'll see later, he didn't work for six Flags until
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nineteen sixty two. This is another FBI document from his colleague who worked who
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both him and Martin worked at as assistant managers at the Statler Hilton Hotel.
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Mitchell advised that after Martin left the hotel, he managed the Gay Nineties nightclub
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and during this period became well acquainted with Jack Ruby. Mister Mitchell told the
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FBI this after learning that Marina had moved in with Martin feeling that it was
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relevant information, and I agree with mister Mitchell. There the Gay Nineties Club,
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well, James Herbert Martin worked there for less than a month in May
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of nineteen sixty three. According to some documents, there was a private nightclub.
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This was a private nightclub owned by Clay Martin and the club was owned
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by Mike Abram, an oil man out of New York, so another oil
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connection and a plate connection. The Jack Murphy Insurance Company was owned by Jack
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Murphy, and in addition to owning that company, he was also the lawyer
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and trustee for the mob Duck, mayor of Saint Louis, Missouri, James
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Herbert Martin's hometown. And it's possible that in addition to having military ties,
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he had MOB and CIA ties as well. This is another document that states
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his employment at the Six Flags in and the Carte Blanche credit card company.
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But one thing I want to note here is that Martin's father worked for Bell
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Telephone in Saint Louis, which become a little more interesting in the next slide
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because after Martin took Marina into their home, there was a straight line installed
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on December third, nineteen sixty three to the White House Communications in DC.
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That is mind blowing and I wonder if his dad, who worked for Bell
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Telephone, helped possibly install some of those telephones in the house. On the
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third, now we get to John Martin Thorne, who, as many of
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you know, was Marina's lawyer during her war and commission testimony. He actually
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applied to be an FBI agent in nineteen fifty one, but was recommended unfavorably.
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A paid confidential informant told the FBI that two males and two females that
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appeared at a tourist court and had taken about three reels of camera and film
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from a car into the tourist cabin, and that informant believes these persons were
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showing and possibly making other films. John Thorne comes to the tourist court on
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average of two or three times a week. That's a lot. And where
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did he go exactly? Well, we will tell you shortly. This is
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jumping back to James Herbert Martin's warrant commissioned testimony, and curiously Chief Justice Oral
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Warrant excused himself from this interview and let Alan Dallas conducted and mister Rankin of
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course, but before leaving wanted to give his regards to mister Thorn, which
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is interesting and makes you wonder if he knew him. And another little tid
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that we found was that Chief Justice Earl Warren later instructed the recorder to strike
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it from the record and tear the tear up the teape underwater. Also in
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James Sherver Martin's Warreck and Mission testimony, asked about his assassin acquaintance with John
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Martin, Thorne said it was just a passing one. John had handled some
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movie work and would probably know something in the area which we were talking.
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So I think it's pretty conclusive that John Martin Thorn was making his movies at
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the sixth flag In. So we are going to jump to Wanda Martin,
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now the wife of James Herbert Martin. Who is Wanda Martin. She's a
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very mysterious character, but she's a very generous person, according to James Herbert
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Martin, because he didn't even ask her if Marina and her two infant loud
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crime kids could move into their home, which already had three kids under the
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age of fourteen. So not sure how many of you in the audience out
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there have wives, But not sure how well that would go over with them.
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This is not DPD membo dated December two, nineteen sixty three. That
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state's Wanda el Martin is the former Wanda El Hobbs of Missouri, which lines
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up with her meeting James Herbert there being from the same town. So when
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Rob and I was about were about six or eight months into our Martin research,
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we were rousing the new document releases and we found a less redacted version
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of a file on missus James Herbert Martin. And this was a great easter
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egg to find because the first two pages of the document are as follows,
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Yeah, that's right, Joe. So when we're looking at this handwritten note
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here, it seems to be a letter of recommendation addressed to Lee Wigren,
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who worked in the Soviet Russian Affairs Division tur Intelligence in the early sixties,
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and some passages of note in this note it starts off this is not your
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typical wife and or intercept okay, And at the bottom it appeared what we
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thought was a letter are but upon further inspection it appears to be the signature
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used by Benedetto de Flie, the acting Director of Personnel of the Central Intelligence
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Agency in the early sixties. So it's very clear to us that they were
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definitely familiar with missus James Herbert Martin and recommending her for a job. And
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as we'll get to in the next document, here exactly what that job entailed.
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Yes, we will rob and we don't know that this mus be DeFelice,
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but we suspect there is a good chance it could be. This is
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the last page of the document, subject and engagement of spouse redacted as redacted,
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which would indicate some type of alias terms. The subject individual has been
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engaged in under oral contract for use under Project Die Circuit. Now there is
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virtually no nothing on Project Die Circuit. The effected date on the oral contract
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is nineteen sixty four and shall continue thereafter until terminated. We went on ancestry
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dot com and looked at some of Wanda El Martin's travel records. This is
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an Wanda El Martin was a liked traveling. This is her coming back from
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Venezuela to New Orleans. This is her coming from Japan to San Francisco,
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California. And we have many more of these documents than we are determining whether
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this Wanda El is the wife of James Herbert. It's very ongoing, but
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we do know that the CIA had husband and wife why are intercept teams.
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One of these was mister and missus Boris Terasov, who translated and transcribed all
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Russian going from the Soviet embassy coming from the Soviet embassy, and they also
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transcribed the alleged Oswalt call to the Soviet embassy. So we're James Herbert and
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Wanda, a CIA husband and wife intercept team wire signal. We think that
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there's a good possibility they were. And I want to stress the importance of
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how crucial the those two plus months were before Marina testified, because she was
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in fact the star witness, so having her being watched over and influenced was
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absolutely crucial to the War com Mission. And lastly on James Herbert, we
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have a document from the SS mads Dam, the same ship Lee, Marina
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and June traveled back from the USSR from and there is a five person Martin
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party on the manifest list and it says j H. Martin four adults and
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we think one child, which would make sense because they had three kids,
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which would have been about thirteen and eleven at the time. And one daughter
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who would have been about five or four, so possibly the reason for the
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crossed out rate. There was no other instance of that happening that we saw,
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So I'm not sure what's going on with all these Martin parties going on
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everywhere, but they seem to follow Lee very closely. And next we have
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and for our next segment, we will be covering one of the more mysterious
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Martins in the assassination story, and that is John T. Martin. Now
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credit to Tom Scully for finding this photo. This is the real John T.
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Martin, who took a very interesting film that we will get into.
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But as you can see in his bio, he's at seventeen, was a
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very conservative Republican and loved to play chess. That's right, Joe. So.
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John T. Martin was a Minnesota high school student who was on family
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vacation in Dallas, and he managed to capture footage of the Walker residents and
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afterwards the Oswald Street Fractus in New Orleans. On the same role of film,
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we also dispelled miny myths surrounding the John T. Martin story, including
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one that he did not serve under General Walker in Germany as previously believed as
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he was only seventeen in nineteen sixty three, in still in high school,
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and we found actually no evidence that he ever served in the military. That
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is correct, Rob And this slide is the top is his bio from his
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nineteen sixty three senior Cretan a yearbook. As you could see, loved chess,
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very conservative Republican. And on the bottom is his minute men card.
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And as you can see his hobbies are chess as well. And also I
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want you to focus on the microscopy aspect of this, which we'll come into
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play right here. Well, this is the John Thomas Martin, not Timmins,
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not Timothy, and as you'll see this address it lines up with his
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minute men card and all other documents relating to him graduating in nineteen sixty seven,
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which lines up with his sixty three graduation from Creton. This is a
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graphic of the student directory that we found, and he majored in science,
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literature, and the arts, and because of the microscopy interest, we believe
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that it is safe to assume he majored in some area of science. The
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picture on the left is from the University of Minnesota from his time there,
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and on the right, is of course the crete in yearbook. And you
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could see the similarity and the likeness of both of these photos. All right,
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So let's get into the John T. Martin film itself. So in
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mid December, Martin contacted the FBI in Minnesota and turned over his film that
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he had filmed because he realized that he had captured Lee Harvey Oswald in New
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Orleans. So the FBI took the film. They sent it to New Orleans
41:45
who determined that it was of no value whatsoever, and the film was returned
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to John on January the twenty eighth, nineteen sixty four. Now, when
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he got the film back, and subsequently after that, after view it,
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he felt that the FBI had edited some things out of his film. So
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let's get into the film itself. This is one of the more rare films
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concerning the assassination in terms of how many copies are out there. So we
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know, of course that a copy was returned to John by the FBI in
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sixty four. In nineteen sixty seven, John voluntarily sent a copy to the
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Garrison investigation. In nineteen sixty eight, Harold Wiseberg visited research fellow researcher Gary
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Schoener at the University of Minnesota, where John Martin was going to school.
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He heard about their talk they were giving about the assassination, and Martin contacted
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them and they made a couple more copies, one for Shooner and one for
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Weisberg. Subsequent to that, John voln and tarily gave his film to the
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House Select Committee on Assassinations in the late seventies, and then ultimately turned his
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film over to the Sixth Floor Museum in two thousand and seven. The slight
43:14
problem with that is that the copy that the Sixth Floor has was made in
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nineteen seventy seven according to the film's date code, which means that somebody at
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the House Select Committee on Assassinations made a copy of the Walk of the Martin
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film and gave Martin back a copy and kept the original. And there is
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no John T. Martin film in the archives, as there should be.
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So we have ourselves a little bit of a quandary here, folks, Yes
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we do. And the film currently on the Sixth Floor Museum's website is clearly
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cropped and darkened, edited by our calculations by at least the fourth time,
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and as you see in the left that is the current slide or screenshot of
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the Walker mailbox, and on the right is the Martin Shackleford slide from the
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nineties and you can see the difference as well as this photo concerning the bullet
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hole in Walker's house which is barely visible on the sixth floor copy or right
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now obviously darkened and cropped, as well as well as the slides on the
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Oswalt Street fracas with Brigner. The left is also from a Martin Shackleford slide
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and the right is a screenshot of the current copy on the sixth Floor Museum
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website. You can see the difference in the quality, so clearly had it
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that's right, Joe. Now, the Martin film wasn't the only film to
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show this street fractus in New Orleans. On August the ninth, there was
45:14
also another film made called The Doyle Film by young Jim Doyle, fourteen year
45:19
old kid who was on a family vacation as well. The interesting thing about
45:27
the Doyle family is they gave an FBI report very quickly after the assassination,
45:34
actually four days so on November twenty seventh. They said that they observed two
45:38
young men who were carrying signs which bore pro Cuban inscriptions. They had leafless
45:45
in their hands, and one of the men wore on his front a yellow
45:46
orange colored sign which bore as part of his inscription, the words Viva la
45:52
Fedel. Now, the problem with this eyewitness testimony is that it doesn't appear
45:58
in either film. Now interesting to note that the Doyles also believed that after
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turning their film over to the FBI, that the FBI had edited it as
46:08
well before it was given back to them, because in neither film do we
46:13
see two men. In the arrest record of that day. One man was
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arrested. So who was this mysterious other person with Oswald? And why do
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they not want us to know who it was? That is the million dollar
46:29
question. So some other anomalies about the Martin film concerned various scenes at Walker's
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house. This is from John Woods the third book where he describes and goes
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through all the photos and films of the assassination. And interesting here sequence number
46:58
three inside the house of General Walker, of the house wall damage from a
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bullet. Now that is not currently in the sixth Floor Museums version of the
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Martin film. So that's a problem. It definitely is, and so our
47:23
working theory is that John Martin was a big fan of Walker and possibly corresponded
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with him while at Creton, and on that family trip to Dallas in the
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summer of nineteen sixty three, stopped by his quote Heroes house to say hi.
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When John T stops by, we know what he records, the mailbox,
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the house, the bullet hole. Clearly he was inside Walker's home.
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We do not know how or why he went to New Orleans to get the
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street fractice on tape in time, So did General Walker tell John T.
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Martin went in New Orleans to contact someone, maybe someone by the name of
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Guy Benister, a fellow far right, where to get footage of the commie
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Oswald. I'm sure most of you would agree that catching both these events on
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video on the same role of film would be statistically improbable, maybe impossible,
48:24
or maybe just another coincidence along with the long list of coincidences in the story.
48:32
So our source at the sixth Ward Museum revealed John Martin gave the video
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to Gary Mack in two thousand and seven under the condition he never wanted to
48:40
be contacted. It's also important to note that the General Walker, part of
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the film was never discussed in the community. And to the two thousands,
48:53
that's right, Joe. And just to prove that General Walker did have some
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tie to the extreme right wing and Minute Men in New Orleans. He was
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actually there from November twentieth, nineteen sixty three, until the morning of the
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assassination the twenty second, when he left New Orleans. This is according to
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the Louisiana State Police report of his activities in New Orleans, meeting with people
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such as Judge Leander Perez, Joseph Newborough who was an associate of Guy Banister,
49:27
and probably Guy Banister as well. So Walker was no stranger to New
49:30
Orleans and the extreme right wing elements there. And just to illustrate some things
49:39
about the John T. Martin film to you folks, note at the top
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of the map Jackson Square. That is the last picture on Martin's film before
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he films the os Wall Street fracas. A commonly held belief in the community
49:58
is that he heard commotion and rushed over to catch this on film. Now,
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as you can notice here and count count along with me. Uh you
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know, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
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eight, possibly eight or nine. Good street blocks before we even get
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to the Habana bar on Decatur Street and Kasa Roka a couple of doors down
50:21
that is where Carlos Brigner's store was, and he was kind of right on
50:27
the corner of Decatur and Canal. So you leave the cater maker right on
50:30
Canal Street and go down another three blocks to where the street fract has actually
50:36
happened. And there is absolutely no way unless he has super sonic hearing,
50:44
that Martin could have heard this commotion going on and rushed over to catch this
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on film. It seems more like he was maybe directed to go there.
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On August the Lee, Harvey Oswald wrote a letter to Vt Lee, the
51:05
chairman of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, in which he explained that while
51:10
handing out FPCC handbills, he'd been attacked by Cuban exiles and the incident had
51:15
quote robbed me of what support I had, leaving me alone. Oswald also
51:21
wrote that he was officially cautioned by the police. Now, the trouble with
51:27
this is the actual fractice that Martin caught on film happened on August the ninth.
51:34
This letter was written on August first, So did it mean that Oswald
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had and or other parties were going to stage a street fracas and film it,
51:49
making notorious or is this a reference to an earlier occurrence that seemingly happened
51:55
before August first? And Henry Hurt's book Reasonable Day Out Jake Easterling relates a
52:04
story that Oswald was beaten by some Cuban exiles outside of the Halbanah Bar and
52:10
that the cops came and nobody was arrested and it wasn't filmed. So did
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they kind of recreate things to sheep dip him just a little bit more,
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catch it on film, get him arrested, and make him a little bit
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more notorious. Yes, the the August first or the previous fractus might have
52:44
not gotten the attention needed. So now we are going to go to John
52:49
T. Martin and create in high school. Recently. John T. Martin
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we believe is still alive and would be seventy seven years old as of today.
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He is, and we found documents that he is still donating to his
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alma mater, Cretan as late as twenty thirteen. And we have a few
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of these two of these examples on this slide. This is the fiftieth reunion
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in twenty thirteen. John T. Martin is among one of these old gentlemen
53:23
here. Of course, it is very hard to tell who he is which
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one, but we think we might have found him. As you see in
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the left that is the Cretan High school yearbook photo, in the middle the
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University of Minnesota photo, and on the right the twenty thirteen reunion photo.
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And the likeness and similarities of his face knows ears is strikingly similar and very
53:55
interesting to think about. And you know, we would love to hear what
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John T. Martin actually did and was instructed or was instructed to do,
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and we hope to maybe get a statement from him one day. Yep,
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that would definitely be interesting. Joe. So if you're out there or you
54:23
know, you know this man, know that we'd like to just talk to
54:28
him. And there's a lot more to the John T. Martin story that
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we didn't have time to get into today, a lot more, folks,
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so make sure you're following along on YouTube after this presentation and now some more
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some more of the more notorious Martins in the Martin story, and for our
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final segment, we have the Watergate Jay Martins yes, you heard that correctly.
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Did you know that three Watergate burglars, all who were active and had
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alleged connections to the JFK assassination, used the J. Martin alias? Well,
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I didn't before we started researching this. And the first one is Eugenio
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Rolando Martinez, a lifelong CIA agent who was very much active in nineteen sixty
55:20
three, had known J. Martin alias. This document is from nineteen seventy
55:24
three. The FBI was looking into if these two other John W. And
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John P. Martin aliases were in fact used by Eugenio. Very interesting,
55:38
and this is Martin A graphic of Martin's restaurant where Lee Harvey Oswald cashed at
55:47
least nine checks from the Riley Coffee Company. Now we looked into, now
55:52
this restaurant was owned by Roland J. Martin, and we looked into the
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possibility that this was Eugenie of Martinez, because that was of course his middle
56:04
name, and we determined it was not just another crazy Martin coincidence. That's
56:12
right, Joe, which brings us to James McCord, who was given an
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Edward J. Martin alias by the notorious E. Howard Hunt before the Watergate
56:22
break ins. McCord said that his contact was a mister John Martin from the
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DJ as you can see below from the Watergate hearings, they said it was
56:36
from the Internal Security Division, chief of the Evaluation Station. I believe his
56:40
name was mister John Martin, but we quickly determined that actually McCord's boss was
56:51
a mister John Martin, and he was not DJ, but in fact the
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acting CIA director for a few months before William Colby took over DCI in September
57:00
of nineteen seventy three. As you can see below. Can't make it up.
57:08
And you also can't talk about the Watergate burglars without mentioning Frank Fiurini Sturgis,
57:16
who allegedly also had credentials in the name of mister Martin. And this
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is also from the Watergate hearings yep. And some other just random crazy Martin
57:30
and coincidences. We found where that Oswald's mother, Marguerite, worked at Martin's
57:36
department store in Brooklyn in nineteen fifty five when they were living in New York.
57:43
And of course the bottom of graphic there John T. Martin. Of
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course that name stood out to me. But this guy was a python fancier
57:52
who ran a voodoo museum in New Orleans. We quickly determined that this was
57:59
not the guy that we're looking for it here, And interestingly enough, JFK
58:06
proposed to Jackie at a place called the Martin's Pub in Georgetown in d C.
58:13
And they have a booth there named the Proposal Booth, and they also
58:15
have another booth called the Rambler Seat where he wrote his inaugural presidential address in
58:21
the Martins Pub. Which brings us to coincidence. To sum up our presentation
58:32
here today, we were looking for a very powerful quote and we found one
58:37
from New York Times bestselling author Richard Paul Evans, and it goes like this,
58:43
sometimes a coincidence is no coincidence at all, but a purposeful action in
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disguise. And we thought that that really really hit home for us, and
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hopefully it sums up our presentation in a short sentence. So of course,
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we couldn't do this presentation alone. These are just some of the people that
59:08
have helped us along the way during this presentation, and they come from all
59:13
different walks, whether it be conspiracy theorists, loan nutters, researchers, regular
59:21
people, people associate with the assassination people not We're big believers in collaborative research
59:28
and we believe that that is the key to moving this case forward. In
59:37
conclusion, we did not have time to get into a lot of the detailed
59:42
stuff that we wanted to here today for the sake of time of the presentation,
59:46
but we're going to be doing an extended series on YouTube in live video
59:52
form moving forward here after the Lancer presentation, So make sure to head over
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