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Anti-suffragettes debunk "no female power or influence" claim | HBR Talk 324 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk three twenty four Anti
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  Speaker 1: Suffragettes debunk no female or power or no female power
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  Speaker 1: or influence claim. I'm your host, Hannah Wallen here with
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  Speaker 1: the personification of perceptivity, Mike Stevenson and nonsense annihilator Laren Brooks,
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  Speaker 1: and tonight we're going to talk about feminism's paradoxical claims
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  Speaker 1: about girl power. And my stuff is still not showing
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  Speaker 1: so there we go. So last week we got to
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  Speaker 1: the subheader more Power without the Vote and stopped there
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  Speaker 1: and just double checking one more thing before we go on.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so more power without the vote. One of
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  Speaker 1: the things that we've dealt with during the at least
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  Speaker 1: during the time that I've been sort of watching politics
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  Speaker 1: in general, and I think throughout the existence of the
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  Speaker 1: men's rights movement is this ridiculous claim by feminists and
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  Speaker 1: to a degree, by women in general, the women just
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  Speaker 1: don't have any power or influence in society, that it's
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  Speaker 1: all men. Men run everything, men are responsible for everything.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing that feminists advocate for is is feminist's fault when
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  Speaker 1: it gets written into law or policy. None of the
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  Speaker 1: lobbying they do is responsible for any of the consequences
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  Speaker 1: of the laws that get passed based on their lobbying.
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  Speaker 1: None of that. Right, But even during the nineteenth century,
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  Speaker 1: so two centuries ago, people recognized that that was a
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  Speaker 1: form of power and influence. So we've gone backwards in
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  Speaker 1: terms of understanding and at the same time, right, what
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  Speaker 1: are feminists constantly telling us about with regard to women
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  Speaker 1: being equal and women being able to take over workplaces
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  Speaker 1: and women being able to take over initiatives and so on.
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  Speaker 1: It's all about girl power. It's all about the girl boss.
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  Speaker 1: It's all about being able to go in and shake
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  Speaker 1: things up and get things done and somehow do it
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  Speaker 1: better and more effectively than men. That's the claim. That's
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  Speaker 1: what we get told that women do, and we get
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  Speaker 1: told that men are afraid of strong women and powerful
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  Speaker 1: women that men are afraid of women who get shitited done? Well,
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  Speaker 1: how do women get shited done if they have no
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  Speaker 1: power and no influence? I mean, I think that's a
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  Speaker 1: valid question.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, my honestly, my worst fear is that the human
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  Speaker 2: race dies out and there will be no record whatsoever
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  Speaker 2: of what did it, of what made it happen. And
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  Speaker 2: as we've been discovering here at Honibagerio over the last
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  Speaker 2: ten years, the most likely root cause of the extinction
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  Speaker 2: of the human race is is this subversion of of
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  Speaker 2: of human nature. It's not in human nature to hate
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  Speaker 2: the in group. Human nature, like any other animal nature,
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  Speaker 2: or any organism, nature, is to prefer the in group.
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  Speaker 2: But we we've found ourselves in this weird point in history,
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  Speaker 2: and it's not unique. It tends to happen at the
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  Speaker 2: end of empires where we developed this this out group preference,
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  Speaker 2: and and we all we all sit around wondering how
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  Speaker 2: on earth this could have happened, How could how could
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  Speaker 2: we have subverted nature in such a radically gnostic way?
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  Speaker 2: And I say that in terms of it's observing what
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  Speaker 2: everyone else has observed and then doing the opposite of
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  Speaker 2: that thing. It's it's it's it's a very bizarre way
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  Speaker 2: for any species to act. And it can only happen
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  Speaker 2: if the mind can overcome the genetics. And it it
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  Speaker 2: tried to happen in terms in terms of the old
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  Speaker 2: school communism, but and it ran into problems that that
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  Speaker 2: that that denied it its longevity because it was all
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  Speaker 2: about building up the poor and and pulling down the rich.
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  Speaker 2: And that was and and that's that that that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: apply to evolutionary psychology because there really isn't much in
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  Speaker 2: in the wet wear of human beings that applies to
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  Speaker 2: the rich and the poor, because the very idea of
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  Speaker 2: riches is a construct of the mind, not a construct
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  Speaker 2: of the genome. And and this is why communism never
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  Speaker 2: really took off until it tapped into the genome and
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  Speaker 2: and and and the genome necessarily means we have to
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  Speaker 2: protect the women more than we protect the men, because
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  Speaker 2: the women are the bottleneck of of of evolutionary development.
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  Speaker 2: One man can inseaminate and women one woman cannot be inseminated,
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  Speaker 2: and so on and so forth. And this is and
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  Speaker 2: this is why what we used to call communism is
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  Speaker 2: nothing compared to what we're experiencing today when when when
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  Speaker 2: communism figured out that it can tap into the heine
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  Speaker 2: eccentric nature of of human beings. Sorry Peter Wright, yet
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  Speaker 2: I know, I know kind of centrism is not natural,
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  Speaker 2: but uh that the need to to protect women more
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  Speaker 2: than we protect men because of the bottleneck of evolution
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  Speaker 2: that they can have children and men. It's that's that's
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  Speaker 2: all it took for for communism to mutate into something
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  Speaker 2: that really can destroy society. And it's h yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: when class warfare meets the gender warfare. And we are
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  Speaker 2: roughly one hundred years into this revolution that has never
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  Speaker 2: been held accountable.
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  Speaker 1: Two hundred actually like two hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Years in at least one hundred is what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, go on, Well, just like if you go back
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  Speaker 1: to if you go back to the early nineteenth century,
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  Speaker 1: when women like Caroline Norton were rebelling against the concept
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  Speaker 1: of the father being the head of the household and
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  Speaker 1: therefore in order to meet his obligations as a father
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  Speaker 1: and a husband, having the condition of ownership over the
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  Speaker 1: state imposed responsibility of of being the parent that the
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  Speaker 1: children dependent on the most like. And she instead of
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  Speaker 1: going for equal parenting rights at the time and admitting
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  Speaker 1: that both parents were vitally important to their children, turned
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  Speaker 1: everything on its head and insisted on the idea that
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  Speaker 1: children don't need their fathers, especially during their early years
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  Speaker 1: when they actually need their fathers. The most that I
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  Speaker 1: would say is pretty close to the start of feminist
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  Speaker 1: serious feminist influence on law and policy. And we're about
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  Speaker 1: I want to say, a decade from two hundred years
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  Speaker 1: past that I want to say it was in the
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  Speaker 1: eighteen thirties that that happened. I might be I might
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  Speaker 1: be off by a few years, but it's pretty close.
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  Speaker 1: And women did not end mass vote at the time
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  Speaker 1: that that that happened. In fact, I believe it was
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  Speaker 1: after legislation in the UK changed the language of on
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  Speaker 1: suffrage in UK law from people to men. So at
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  Speaker 1: that point female citizens were not considered to have a
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  Speaker 1: voting right under the law. There were still women who
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  Speaker 1: voted during that time under certain conditions, and they weren't
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  Speaker 1: voting by proxy through men. They were actually paying their
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  Speaker 1: their fee, their pull tax, and they were voting. So
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  Speaker 1: it's still wasn't a situation where women had no voting rights.
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  Speaker 1: But but yeah, I would say feminism is at least
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  Speaker 1: to hundred years old by its current incarnation, there are
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  Speaker 1: previous incarnations of it. Even feminists admit this in other
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  Speaker 1: civilizations that have since Fallenvalry.
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  Speaker 2: Is arguably proto feminism, and definitely a proto proto feminism
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  Speaker 2: before that. I mean, religions have been around for a
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  Speaker 2: very long time, but religions that restricts all deities to
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  Speaker 2: one singular male deity, therefore changing the game somewhat. I've
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  Speaker 2: been around for a little bit longer than that. And
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  Speaker 2: yet in some way, in some ways they've been pushing
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  Speaker 2: against kind of centrism, but in some ways they've been
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  Speaker 2: they've been receiving it as vigorously as they could. It's
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  Speaker 2: all jolly complicated, folks. I I it's not that liberate
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  Speaker 2: women produces these utopian societies. It's that the closer we
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  Speaker 2: get to prosperity, the easier it is to liberate women.
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  Speaker 2: And people have observed this and put the cart before
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  Speaker 2: the horse, as it were, and got the whole wrong idea.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, we're at this clinching point in history where
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  Speaker 2: we either figure out where we got that wrong idea
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  Speaker 2: or we just plow ahead with that wrong idea. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: who knows, hey, where the fuck any of this is
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  Speaker 2: gonna go?
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Meredith G has pointed out something in our chat.
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  Speaker 1: The Vindication of the Right of Women and Female Citizens
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  Speaker 1: was published in seventeen ninety two, So if you start
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  Speaker 1: with the first document, we are talking about two hundred
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  Speaker 1: and thirty three years old, right. And it's interesting too
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  Speaker 1: because we do we hear all the time from feminists
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  Speaker 1: how feminism is not responsible for any legislation because men
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  Speaker 1: are in charge. So they have been active, They've been
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  Speaker 1: engaged in political activism, They've been involved with changes in legislature,
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  Speaker 1: they've been involved with public advocacy for how people vote
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  Speaker 1: and for what legislators should do, and for how businesses
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  Speaker 1: should be run and everything for two hundred and thirty
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  Speaker 1: three years, and in the twenty first century, they are
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  Speaker 1: still somehow not responsible for any of the legislator's responses
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  Speaker 1: to their activism, even though there are legislators who are women,
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  Speaker 1: and there are powerful legislators who are women, powerful enough
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  Speaker 1: to be celebrated by feminists as feminists cons right, But
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  Speaker 1: feminism has no power and no influence, and they're not
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  Speaker 1: responsible for anything those legislators do.
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  Speaker 2: How many centuries of DEI do we need before people go, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: that's enough. I just want a rough estimate, how many centuries?
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  Speaker 2: A hundred.
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  Speaker 1: It's a good question because I mean, what are the
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  Speaker 1: conditions that we have to see before feminists admit that
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  Speaker 1: women have power and women do have influence, that women
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  Speaker 1: have authority, and that when women demand something from the
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  Speaker 1: state and the state gives it to him to them,
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  Speaker 1: that women are responsible for the consequences of that.
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  Speaker 2: The answer is infinity. There literally is no end insight.
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  Speaker 2: They will always find more and more microaggressions. They'll go
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  Speaker 2: from micro to not no aggressions to p co aggressions too, aggressions.
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  Speaker 1: Keep going yep.
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  Speaker 3: You know it's it's almost like, you know, feminists are
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  Speaker 3: going around and committing a bunch of like murders and
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 4: Not wanting to leave their fingerprints on the scene. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 4: your DNA is everywhere. Bitch, Yeah, we see you, we
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  Speaker 4: got you. You did this, and now it's time for
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  Speaker 4: you to own up to it. But they'll they'll they'll never,
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  Speaker 4: they'll never. It's sucking pipe dreams.
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  Speaker 1: I always get this mental image talking to feminists and
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  Speaker 1: listening to feminists talk about female oppression and uh all
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  Speaker 1: all the other claims that they make that are related
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  Speaker 1: to that claim that women are oppressed, and especially in
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  Speaker 1: the first world, where women are legislators and women run
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  Speaker 1: for president and you don't even have to be qualified
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  Speaker 1: for the job to get voted into it. If you're
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  Speaker 1: a woman, you can actually just laugh your way into
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  Speaker 1: the White House, right if you're a woman. No man
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  Speaker 1: could do that, but a woman can because she's a woman.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, listening to feminists talk about the things that
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  Speaker 1: women are doing in society as if the consequences of
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  Speaker 1: those things are not their fault, I keep getting this
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  Speaker 1: mental image of a woman playing tether ball. For people
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  Speaker 1: that don't know what that is. It is literally just
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  Speaker 1: a ball tied to a pole with a rope, and
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  Speaker 1: you usually people will stand around the pole and there's
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  Speaker 1: you know, two teams, different sides, and the idea is
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  Speaker 1: to keep it going in one direction that your team chooses,
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  Speaker 1: and the other team's trying to get it to go
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  Speaker 1: in the other direction. Or at least that's the way
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  Speaker 1: we played it when I was a kid. And it's
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  Speaker 1: hard to keep score there. But the other way that
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  Speaker 1: we played it was to hit it as hard as
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  Speaker 1: you could and see how many times it would go
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  Speaker 1: around the pole, or to see if you could knock
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  Speaker 1: it into somebody and see if it would knock them down.
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  Speaker 1: But I just see this woman punching this ball as
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  Speaker 1: hard as she can, and it comes back around, it
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  Speaker 1: hits her in the back of the head, and then
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  Speaker 1: she just turns around, finds the nearest man and says,
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  Speaker 1: why did you do that to me? You know, it's
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  Speaker 1: just it's that blatant that feminists make this claim. So
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  Speaker 1: with that in mind, let's look at what feminists in
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  Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds, what women and anti feminists rather in
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  Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds, had to say about this, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: according to the article, many people understood the anti paradoxical
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  Speaker 1: idea of civic minded women having more power over lawmakers
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  Speaker 1: without the vote and then see figure six. Yet only
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  Speaker 1: two of the fifteen college textbooks mention it. So we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna look at this. This This was passed around. This
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  Speaker 1: was a flyer that was passed around to people. This
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't be an original image of an original flyer. I'm
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  Speaker 1: pretty sure this was a copy that's handed out to students,
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  Speaker 1: But the original would have looked similar to this, and
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  Speaker 1: it essentially was a set of arguments for why women
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  Speaker 1: are not powerless without the vote, and why women actually
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  Speaker 1: might lose power if they switch from relying on the
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  Speaker 1: influence they had in society already to voting like men.
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  Speaker 1: So women's nonpartisan power. I'm going to enlarge this a
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  Speaker 1: little bit because, as y'all know, I have shitty eyesight.
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  Speaker 1: See if I can read this without dealing with that
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  Speaker 1: that one little and you can't get rid of this
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  Speaker 1: over here on the side. It doesn't go away for
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  Speaker 1: some reason. So women's nonpartisan power without the ballot. Well
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  Speaker 1: informed women who have the welfare of the state at
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  Speaker 1: heart are able to influence good legislation by creating an
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  Speaker 1: enlightened public opinion. So they understood about social influence and
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  Speaker 1: pressure campaigns. It's interesting that they would say, she would say,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the writer of this would say, well informed
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  Speaker 1: women who have the welfare of the state at heart,
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  Speaker 1: Because the welfare of the state doesn't really matter. It's
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  Speaker 1: the welfare of the people that matters, and in particular
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  Speaker 1: the welfare of your own family, your community, and so on.
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  Speaker 2: But they realized that they had power over public opinion.
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  Speaker 2: A hundred years before they had complete and total power
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  Speaker 2: over public opinion.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. And they also realized that women do have a
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  Speaker 1: focus on the welfare of the state, that women are
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  Speaker 1: a I guess, a force of preservation for the state
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  Speaker 1: because women depend on the state. Women use the state,
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  Speaker 1: and therefore they do view the state as something valuable,
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  Speaker 1: and they do maintain a focus on the welfare of
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  Speaker 1: the state. And as we've seen recently, they focus on
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  Speaker 1: the welfare of the state to the exclusion of the
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  Speaker 1: welfare of their own families. Says without the ballot, women
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  Speaker 1: have no political acts to grind and are able to
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  Speaker 1: approach public opinions or public questions on their merits and
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  Speaker 1: without reference to their effect upon the fortunes of any
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  Speaker 1: political party. So this is what I might have some
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  Speaker 1: disagreement with because I became political active, politically active when
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  Speaker 1: I was twelve. It's like, we went to see Ronald
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  Speaker 1: Reagan speak at a train station in Lima, Lima, Ohio,
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  Speaker 1: and I caught the bug then and stayed political after that.
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  Speaker 1: I think was the next year I learned a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about the concept of abortion, and you know, immediately
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  Speaker 1: the person, the first person I asked about it was
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  Speaker 1: my grandmother, because she was a nurse, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: what is this, what is this this thing that people
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  Speaker 1: are talking about, this big issue. So she went through
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  Speaker 1: and this is you have to understand the progression of
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  Speaker 1: my point of view on this was in the fourth
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  Speaker 1: grade we started getting sex education. In the fifth grade,
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  Speaker 1: we started seeing pictures of what zygote and an embryo,
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  Speaker 1: a fetus, what those looked like. And they weren't just
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  Speaker 1: all drawings. There are photographs of preserved miscarriages, so you
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  Speaker 1: can see babies in different stages, what they actually looked like.
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  Speaker 1: And that was all fascinating to me, simply because I
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  Speaker 1: was gonna eventually. I knew even then that I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to make one of those one day. I knew even
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  Speaker 1: when I was twelve, I wanted to grow up and
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  Speaker 1: be a mommy, and so I paid a lot of
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  Speaker 1: attention to that. And when Grandma explained to me what
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  Speaker 1: is done during an abortion, I did not have the
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  Speaker 1: filters that adults have of self excusing from responsibility or
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  Speaker 1: from guilt for something because making the decision to do
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  Speaker 1: the right thing is too hard. I just had the
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  Speaker 1: basic biological information and an understanding of what constitutes a
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  Speaker 1: living organism, what constitutes a human organism, and so on.
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  Speaker 1: So from there on I was anti abortion. That became
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  Speaker 1: like my first activism. And I don't know that it
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  Speaker 1: was so much a loyalty to party thing, but that's
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  Speaker 1: a very divided bi party issue, and it definitely colored
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  Speaker 1: my opinion of various candidates for years. Like I know,
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  Speaker 1: the Democrat Party is very pro abortion, and the Republican
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  Speaker 1: Party for years was very anti abortion, and so you
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  Speaker 1: had a very stark division there, and it did determine
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  Speaker 1: who I thought would be good in office and who
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  Speaker 1: I thought would not be good in office for a
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  Speaker 1: long time until I came to the conclusion in adulthood
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  Speaker 1: that you have to change women's level of accountability to
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  Speaker 1: actually make any progress on that issue at all. And
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  Speaker 1: that's a much bigger difficulty. But a lot of women
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: will have a political acts to grind, but they'll still
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: be able to approach public questions on the merits of
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: how they affect the home, the family, the the community,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: them individually, you know, women as a group, men as
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: a group, and so on. Like, a lot of women
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: are able to look at political issues that way. But
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know that people who get involved in politics
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: as adults where they're already It's hard to say that
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: they would not necessarily have some party loyalty, that they
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: wouldn't play some party politics, but at the very least
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't they wouldn't be attached to a party, because
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: if you're not voting, you know what part of the
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: party are you? Says, without the ballot, women are able
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: to do for the state what men are unable to
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: do because they are bound by party ties. This woman's
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: special contribution to good government. This is women's special contribution
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: to good government, and it is essential to good government.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: And then without the ballot, ill informed and selfish women
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: have no power to influence legislation because they cannot create
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: public opinion. And that's a kind of a tough one too,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: because you see organizations like the National Organization for Women,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: and I would argue that a lot of them are
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: even if they're not ill informed, they're definitely selfish. But
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: they do influence legislative legislation. It's just I think that
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: they're able to do so because they are able to
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: claim to influence of a voting block. And I guess
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: if they couldn't claim to influence a voting block, they
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: might not have that level of power, So she goes on.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: The writer goes on with the ballot the ill informed
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: and selfish women will have the same power to influence
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: legislation through the ballot box as well informed and public
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: spirited women. In other words, they're able to wield the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: power of the vote. They don't have to argue their case.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: So what we're seeing so far here is the argument
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: that women's suffrage basically takes away accountability from women. You
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: are accountable to argue your case and prove that your
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: political interests are beneficial and valuable and valid if you
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: have to talk other people into them. But if you
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: can just vote the men in mass then you are
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: no longer accountable because you no longer have that need
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: to persuade. And since, unlike men, women at that point
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: were not police officers, they weren't firefighters, they weren't emergency
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: medical personnel, they weren't soldiers, so they did not have
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: to They didn't have to back up law and policy
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: with muscle. They didn't have to back up law and
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: policy with personal risk. They didn't have to risk their
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: health and safety or their lives. Men did. So if
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: men voted for something that it was detrimental to the
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: health and safety of the people that had to back
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: it up, well, that was men, right. And if men
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: voted for something that was going to cost the taxpayers,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: that was also men. It still is today, right. Women
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: still do not get drafted in the United States. Today.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Only fourteen percent of our military are women. Women are
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: also only a small percentage of our police force and
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: our firefighting forces. So if women vote something in, they
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: vote some policy in that causes a great deal of
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: conflict in the United States or puts the military in
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: conflict in another country, women do not really pay that price.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Most of the women in the military are not in
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: combat roles. Most of the people in the military and
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: combat roles are men. Many many women in the police
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: force are not beat cops or street cops. They're working
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: in offices, they're doing detective work. They're meter maids.
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: There are cops that walk a beat or drive a beat,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: but not so many of them are women, right. And firefighters,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: the small percentage that are women very much do not
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: outweigh the majority that are men. So if you create
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: conflict like the conflict that we had during the so
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: called Summer of Love, for instance, whose lives were at
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: risk from those fires, and you had the people in
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: the neighborhoods, and you had the people whose job it
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: is to fight those fires and keep those fires from
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: getting any more out of control than they already are.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: That was mostly men. When women put weak people in power,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: men suffer. When women put weak, weak people in power,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: men pay with their taxes and their health and their
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: safety and sometimes their lives.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like I watch a lot of police
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: BODYCND videos and you know the times that I actually
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: do see female cops, and you know, not to hate
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: a broadbrush obviously, this is this is just anecdotal.
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: This is just what I've seen.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: But you know, and I'm not going to say that
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: they're incompetent, like intellectually, but for the most.
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: Part, what I see is that they're incompetent physically. They
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: can't subdue a subject.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: You know, if someone puts up a fight and doesn't
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: want the fucking handcuffs on, you know, it oftentimes will
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: take another officer to come in, step in and you know,
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: help her out. But it's just it's not a good idea.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: I don't like women as police officers. I think some
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: of them have a little bit of an authoritative complex.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's a.
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: Thing, but I think you understand what I mean when
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: I say it is, you know, god.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Experience.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: It's it's not even that they're not physically capable, and
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: especially given in situations where they are, where they have firearms,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: that's supposed to be the great equal. As long as
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: women have firearms, they have every advantage against a man
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: who does not. And yet there's been many stories of
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: using guns when they could have just used tasers or
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: in in Britain, there are many female cops who don't
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: even have guns or tasers. They're just left to somehow
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: round up these uh these PCP crazed immigrants with nothing
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: but a truncheon, and they can't because they can't run
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: anything like as fast as them. But for the most part,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: it's not it's it's not it's not the physical restrictions
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: that do it. It's it's also the the restrictions of
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: emotional intelligence. And this, and this needs to be addressed.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: There's this, there's this overriding narrative that women are emotionally
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: in intelligent and it's bollocks. They're not. Emotional intelligence means
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: the ability to master your emotions, just like cognitive intelligence
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: or mathematical intelligence means the ability to overcome you're preconceived
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: notions of mathematics. It's and emotional intelligence means being able
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: to understand not only other people's emotions, but your own
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: emotions and to to consider what they might be doing
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: to the otherwise purely rational situation that that's going on.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: And this is largely why female police officers so frequently
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: resort to using guns when they could have just use
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: a taser, because they're actually not that emotionally intelligent. They
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: they look at they look at other people, and they
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: experience emotions and and then react according to their own emotions.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: This is this is not emotional intelligence. It's it's the
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: in fact, it's the absence of emotional intelligence. It's the
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: absence of an ability two to overcome the emotions that
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: you're supposed to have recognized as an emotionally intelligent person.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: If you're if you're just there sort of sort of
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: losing touch of how you're supposed to intellectually approach approach
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: these things, and and and you react in accordance with
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: your emotion that's that's emotional stupidity. And yeah, we've we've
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: sort of been suckered into this idea that because women
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: are more aware of emotions, that means they're more emotionally intelligent.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: It's it couldn't be further from the truth. An awareness
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: of emotions is paranoia in a way. It's it's it's
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: like saying that people are on drugs are more emotionally intelligent.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, yes, they are, because because they've become extremely
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: paranoid about other people's emotions. But it's not, it's not
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: it's not a rational apprehension of the situation. It's it's
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: mired by paranoia and fear. And yeah, this is more
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: than anything, this is the problem with the DEI hiring
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: women onto the police force or whatever force they happen
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: to be deied into. They haven't had to go through
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: the same rigorous rational cognitive, let alone physical tasks that
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: the men have had to be put largely because so
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: many police forces at this point have been like, well,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: you've got you've got you've got to do all these tests,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: you've got to run between these these cliques at a
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: certain pace. But if you're a woman, you don't have
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: to run as much. If you're a woman, you don't.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: You don't have to achieve the same bar of of
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: merit that that men do. It's happened in the police force,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: has happened in the in the in the in the
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: firefighters force. Wherever it is, or any given uh Dutch
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: thing has been has been compromised to the end of
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: the degree for the sake of women. The excuse given
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: being that we need more women on these forces because
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: they're emotionally intelligent. But they're not. They are to be
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: simply confused emotional intelligence for the opposite of emotional intelligence. Sorry, ladies,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: not only are men more cognitively intelligent than you, they're
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: more emotionally intelligent than Here I am in a conversation
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: with two other women, and if other of you wish
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: to argue, well, I will take you all on, but
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: I think you'll both know what I'm saying.
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: Not all women hashtag blah blah blah, but yes.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Definitely on everage. So like when you describe emotional intelligen
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, having it's it's actually a
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: good way to describe it in terms of having control,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: being able to control your emotions because Cognitive intelligence really
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: is an ability to control your cognition that you are
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: able to look at what is rational versus what is irrational.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of ways of thinking that
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: we do as human beings that when you become aware
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: of them and you understand what you're doing, you recognize
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: and should be able to reject the pathway that that
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: way of thinking takes you on, like the bandwagon fallacy,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: where you consider something to be more true because more
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: people believe it or because it's a more popular opinion,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: when in fact, if evidence backs a different opinion, it
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter how many people agree with the wrong opinion.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: It doesn't change the fact that it's wrong. And it's
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: one of those that's kind of hard for people to
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: wrap their mind around that well, just because this is
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: common quote unquote knowledge doesn't mean it's true, and it
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: becomes very difficult to get past that, and it is
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: it takes a more intelligent person to set that aside
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: and say, but what about this evidence, and how do
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: we reconcile this evidence with with what we believe? And
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: if we can't, then maybe what we believe is wrong.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: The same thing is true about your emotions and you know,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: being a person who had to actually be educated in
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: that due to roid rage from a bunch of steroids
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I was on for my asthma when I was growing up.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I had to do that with anger. You know, Am
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: I mad because I'm always on my last nerve and
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: any little thing can set it off? Or Am I
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: mad because there's a legitimate reason for me to be mad?
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: And you know, you have to be able to again
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: set aside the impulse to just accept, oh, I'm mad
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: for good reason and I'm going to act on it.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: You set that off to the side, and then you
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: take a more well rounded look at the circumstance under
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: which your anger has been triggered and say, all right, well,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: this is how would I feel in the other person's shoes?
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: You know what led up to this? Am I looking
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: at this through a filter of being on my last nerve?
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Or am I looking at this through a filter of
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: something has been done to me that is unjust or
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: unfair or otherwise legitimizes this anger? And is it proportion?
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: You know, somebody cuts you off on the highway. Sure
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: it's legitimate to be mad about that because they just
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: put your life at risk. But you didn't die and
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: they're gone, it would be disproportional as a response to
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: try to chase them down and get revenge. If you
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: happen to have a dash cam and you happen to
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: send that into the state patrol, like, that's not maybe disproportional,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: disproportionate response, but it's an awful lot of effort for
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: something that is a common problem when you know, and
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: it could have just been an accident, could have just
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: been somebody was in a hurry and they weren't thinking
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: about what they were doing in that moment. And you
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: know that you've done the same thing at different times
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: for that very reason, so you'll let it slide, right
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: As in terms of emotional intelligence, I run into a
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: lot of knee jerk reactions both by women and on
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: behalf of women, and have noticed that not only on average,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: is women's capacity for setting their reaction aside in the
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: moment and examining the situation without the filter of their
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: ego or their mood prior to the situation, you know,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: their preconceived notions and so on, and actually just looking
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: considering the other person's perspective, considering the consequences, considering the
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: implications outside of emotional context before deciding how to react emotionally,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: and I noticed that not only are women on average
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: less capable than that, less capable of that than men,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: but I've also noticed that when it comes to men's
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: responses to discussion about women's issues, guynescentric men in particular
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: are less emotionally intelligent in that moment than men who
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: have already figured out guyness. Centrism is bullshit, and I
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: like I just recently experienced that in discussion about the
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: alleged misogyny of some public figures that aren't necessarily representative
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: of the men's rights movement, but they are big name
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: talking heads, like people that talk about things that other
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: people are listening in mass to them discuss them, and
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: the object to just the statement that women shouldn't vote
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: it has an amazing effect. Like I just recently had
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: two or three guys shout me down in a conversation
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: rather than having an intellectual discussion about this and then
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: make it a gender issue. When I pointed out that
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: the fact that they were shouting me down instead of
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: talking calmly about the subject indicated that they were reacting
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: emotionally rather than intellectually like that that happens throughout the
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: entire conversation, that only happened with regard to a guyinocentric issue.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: So there is something about women and guynescentrism that in
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: and of itself subtracts emotional intelligence from everybody in the conversation.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: And it probably, i would say, traces back to the
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: fact that women in general do not have that level
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: of control, and they make appeals to emotion their main
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: means of arguing and debate, and actually that is a
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: power in and of itself. You know, even though there
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: is discussion about whether or not women should vote, and
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: even though we know that that discussion at this point
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: is as far as that's going to go, because nobody's
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: actually going to vote or agree in law and policy
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: to undo women's suffrage. It's it's such an emotional conversation
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: for many people that they won't even hear the arguments
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: in regard to it. That it gets shouted down, that
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: it gets uh, it gets discussed in terms of misogyny
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: and whether this person should be allowed to talk, not
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: why is this subject coming up? What's going on? It
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: has led to this subject, and what are the considerations
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: and if we don't want to change whether or not
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: women can vote. What do we need to change to
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: end this conversation.
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: Given the given the phenomenon of the guys akmalist thing
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: or whatever's going on, the importance isn't whether or not
• 48:49
  Speaker 7: women can vote.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: It's more about whether or not we can vote for
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: a woman. Because men of all kinds and women of
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: all kinds have directly jonus that they will vote for
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: a woman just because she's a woman. This has never
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: happened with men. I know it looks like it has
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: because men have have have held these positions for so
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: many centuries. But kind of just goes to show that
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: people haven't voted for them just because they're men. They've
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: voted for them because of their what's it called policies.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: And and yet it's the ability for women to vote
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: is is not? Is not the tip of the iceberg.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: The tip of the iceberg is the ability for people
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: to vote for women. There are far too many people
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: who suffer under the delusion that if women ran the world,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: there wouldn't be all of these wars, all this financial
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: problem and yeah, which it's so it's not as simple
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: as the nineteenth Amendment or whatever I think right, it's
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: not as it's not as simple as whether or not
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: women should be allowed to vote. It's whether or not
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: people who benefit so wildly from the accountability gap should
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: be allowed to run for office, and it's it's it's
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: a difficult thing to to enforce because first you have
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: to acknowledge that there is such a thing as the
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: accountability gap, and that's something that it's still We've been
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: trying to get this ship through to people for a
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: long ass time and they still can't figure it out.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: V for Vernon asks a very pertinent question since women
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: have always had pro state proclivities as a matter of
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: their persuasiveness doesn't matter whether they have the vote or not.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: And I think the statement about the fact that the
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: ill informed and selfish women whose arguments may not be
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: so persuasive because they are ill informed, they are able
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: to carry the same weight as women who are well
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: researched and who argue for the benefit of themselves and
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: the people around them, men and women, their communities, their families,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: and so on. That might be probably the most persuasive argument,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, for removing women's voting power. That if
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: you take women who are strictly in it for themselves
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: and who are not very bright about it, who will
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: shoot themselves in the foot, and you give them voting rights,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: you give them equal power to women who are capable
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: of articulately explaining the benefits of their ideas to the
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: greater community. That that pretty much undermines any ability that
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: women have to do good. And since women don't have
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: to back that up in the end with with their
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: lives or their money, that's all getting backed up by
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: men's lives and men's money. The women that are ill
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: informed and selfish will not be accountable when they vote
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: for things that are detrimental to the people that have
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: to back it up. Whereas men know that if they
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: vote weak men into power and the nation ends up
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: at war because of it, they're the ones that will
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: have to pay with their blood. And if they vote
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: stupid men into power and those men make policy that
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: damages the economy and that that increases their taxes, they're
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: going to be paying with both their taxation, their their
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: their tax paying and also their loss of income. So
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: I yah, there's that creates a valid objection to women's
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: voting rights right there with the ballot she says, women's
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: hands would be tied just as men's hands are now
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: tied by party considerations. Women will be so loyal, And
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: I've seen this happen. Women get so loyal to the
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Democrat Party or to the Republican Party that they ignore
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: things like the burgeoning welfare state and the blob of
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: federal bureaucracy that we have created as a nation, and
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: ignore things like the damaging effects in terms of individual
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: privacy of Republican policies like the Patriot Act. And you know,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: it's It took a lot for me to abandon party loyalty.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: And I had to look at when I originally read
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: like I read the original version of the Patriarch, and
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: I looked at it only from the perspective of an
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: American citizen, considering, how are we going to stop people
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: from pulling another nine to eleven?
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: How can we prevent that? And initially I thought, well,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: this sounds like the only way we can do that.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: This sounds like the only possible way to handle that.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: And it took libertarians talking to me about it, and
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: you know, anarcho capitalists talking to me about it and
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: pointing out, you know, this isn't stopping There are still
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: terrorist acts taking place. This isn't stopping crime in the
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: United States. This isn't preventing anything. And of course there's
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: also sorts of other considerations regarding you know, whether our
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: government let nine to eleven happen on purpose, and all
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: the other conspiracy ideas that have been proposed regarding nine
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: to eleven. But in the end, the Patriot Act, what
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: was passed, what was originally proposed wasn't great. What was
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: passed was much worse, and how it has been administered
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: has been even worse than that. Where you know, the
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: idea was they were supposed to be finding spot and
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: finding terrorists within our communities. They went after the American
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: people instead. And of course, you know I'm on a list, right,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: I know I'm on a list. I've seen my name
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: on it. So uh so there you go, one more
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: than one.
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: I think, I think, I think we're I think we're
• 56:19
  Speaker 6: all on some lists.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Well, our organization is on a list, so yeah, we
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: are on. But some of us are named on that
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: list individually as well, So it's there's there's consequences, and uh,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: I mean I supported both bushes when they ran for president.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: And if you know, looking back, it's not like the
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Democrat candidates were better. It would have been better to
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: have a third party a third party candidate win at
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: both of those times. M But I think a lot
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: of us were naive back then. Generation acts, A lot
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: of us were very naive about that, and I think
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: that there were more of us who were women that
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: were fully naive about that. I could see and hear
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: men criticizing their own candidates, but not so many women,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: and women got really heated about answering criticism and they
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: would get personal. It's quite interesting. With the ballot, women
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: could no longer enlist in behalf of any movement merely
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: as women, but would divide according to old party lines
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: and approach the question as Republicans, Democrats, socialist progressives, or
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: members of some other political party. And that is exactly
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: what has happened. Like, we still have women's issues right,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: support this because women's issues don't don't don't do this
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: because of misogyny, or if you don't do this, you're
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: a misogynist. But it does run along party lines, so misogyny.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Allegations of misogyny are used to silence criticism of abortion,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: but Allegations of misogyny are also used to criticize abortion,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: and both sides of the abortion issue are accusing men
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: of using the other side of the issue to harm women,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: when the actual industry is women scamming women. The abortion
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: industry is run by women, women profit from it. It
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: is mostly populated by women. The majority of workers in
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: the abortion industry are women, and the users of the
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: abortion industry are all women, So there is no male
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: oppression involved there. Men are Yeah, there's no abortion patriarchy, right.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: And at the other end of it, you, women are
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: the primary objectors to abortion, and women are the ones
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: who decide not to abort.
• 59:39
  Speaker 6: The only ones who can yep.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: And if you look at organizations that support women who
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: decide not to abort, those are mostly run by women.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: The volunteers are mostly women who assist in crisis pregnancy
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: centers and or organizations that help women find jobs after
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: a crisis pregnancy and so on. Those are like you
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: walk in there, you do not usually see a male
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: face anywhere. It's almost all women. If you do see
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: a male face, it's on a head that underneath is
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: a pile of boxes with a guy's arms around them
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: doing the heavy work, right. These are all the closed
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: people donated. This is all the food people donated, This
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: is all the learning material people donated. You don't necessarily
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: see a whole lot of men in there telling women
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: what to do or giving women any kind of advice.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: That's all from women. Some of the men might do
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: the legwork in helping find jobs for the women. That's
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: it like, it's all the If you look at the
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: head of the organization, the people who make policy in
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: those organizations all women. But abortion advocates treat them as
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: an attack on women, and pro lifers treat abortion as
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: an attack on women by men. And it's all political.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: It's all political sides. If they didn't have a political
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: party to identify with it, if they didn't have a
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: political divide to identify with it, and they actually just
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: looked at the issue itself from the perspective of what
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: is the ideal outcome for women, and how can we
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: help women march their way from hello in a relationship
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: to that ideal outcome. None of this discussion would be
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: happening in regard to abortion that takes place now. So,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: according to this women's suffrage would lessen the power of
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: well informed, public spirited women, and increase the power of
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: ill informed women whose public ideas are not what they
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: ought to be. And this was issued by Women's Anti
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Suffrage Association in Massachusetts. Let's see if I can get
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: back to a smaller print size here now. Since I'm there,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: we go. So the caption underneath this has an interesting
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: way of putting it. People understood the distinction between influencing
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: lawmakers by nonpartisan means, as the women's clubs did, and
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: entering the disreputable world of partisan politics, as the suffragists preferred.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: There is a common misconception that the antis thought a
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: woman's place was strictly in the home. From an anti
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: suffrage scrapbook circa nineteen fifteen, courtesy of the New York
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: Public Library. So this this idea that women had no
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: influence and no power. The anti suffragette didn't believe that
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: for a minute, right, Women were influencing politics by banding
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: together just as women, without bringing in party into it,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: without bringing any kind of party alignment in regard to
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: political issues into it, and contacting their legislators and making
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: public statements and pushing on the Overton window. Takes a
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: lot of muscle to move that window, and they were flexing,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: and they were quite capable of achieving their goals. Richard
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Bierre says, So women shouldn't be v because the female
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: voters are the cast of idiocracy question mark at Badger
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: livestreams And yeah, to a degree, Yeah, female voters don't
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: consider the implications always of what they're what they're demanding.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: If you want to take it all the way, no
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: one should be voting. Yeah, I mean, women voting is
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: just a symptom this problem. Men vote. Men voting was
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: another symptom of this problem. It was you know, if
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: you really want to want to fall down on something consistent,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: nobody should be voting. It was all bollocks. It was
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: all a scam so that whoever's in charge of the
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: country can blame the peasants for voting for them.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Do you see, in my opinion, nobody should be in
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: charge of the country. If we uh, if we actually
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: had to take responsibility individually for our own safety and security,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: none of this, we wouldn't be having any of these arguments.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: People would still band together to do things. There would
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: still be a collective action on national security. There would
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: still be a collective collective action on transportation, and we
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: might actually by this time have flying cars instead of
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: the idiocracy that we have now. So of the two
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: College uh textbooks that mentioned this, one one early believer
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: in the idea. Oh it doesn't, it's it is not related, Okay.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: One really believer in the idea was anti suffragist and
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Catherine Beecher, who from the eighteen forties worked to open
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: the teaching profession to women, which I would say that
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: had mixed consequences considering some of the information that has
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: just come out. Although she never joined an anti suffrage organization,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: Catherine Beecher was a dedicated anti but at the same
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: time she was also an indomitable campaigner for women's education
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: and economic equality, so they weren't necessarily all anti feminists.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: There were suffragettes or anti suffragettes that still wanted women
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: to step into the public sphere that men occupied. Her
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: method of changing society was first convincing intelligent and benevolent
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: women when I that what I aimed at was right
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: and desirable, and then securing their influence with their fathers, brothers,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: and husbands, and always with success. So in other words,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: she had quite a bit of influence. Her fifty years
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: of campaigning convinced her that all reasonable men are not
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: only willing but anxious to provide for the good of
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: our sex. They will gladly bestow all that is just
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: reasonable and kind whenever we unite in asking. So what
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: does that tell you? What her observations were of what
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: happens when women collectively ask or advocate for something, that
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: she was acknowledging guynes Centrism right there.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 5: That men, they knew they have political power all alone,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 5: but they developed the art of pretending they didn't, which
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: they have now perfected.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they knew that men cared about women, that
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: if women said they needed something, that if women's voices
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: were raised together to say that they needed something, that
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: men would give it to them. The idea of women
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: uniting for the common good, rather than dividing among party
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: lines as men did, was a major theme of the
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Women Anties, and Catherine Beecher's view using moral persuasion was
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: quicker than using political methods and it created less conflict.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: Anties pointed to the profound anti slavery influence of Uncle
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Tom's Cavin, written by Catherine's younger sister Harriet beecher Stowe
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: as proof that some women already had tremendous potential to
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: improve society by moral persuasion without the vote. The women's
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: clubs that became so popular in the nineteenth century illustrate
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: the rapidly growing power of nonpartisan women who united for
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: the common good. Clubs that were political in nature were
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: excluded from the General Federation of Women's Clubs, So there
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: was not just organization among women, but there was organization
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: within that. So the organizers united across the country to
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: increase the power of their lobbying. They might not have
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: called it that, but they lobbied the public. They lobbied
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: their local politicians, they lobbied their state and federal politicians.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: They were lobbying organizations.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: It goes to show you that men and women both
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: have this uh this that this drive to collectivize. And
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: I know that sounds sinister because of all we've seen
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: about how collectivism could knock people up. But we're a
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: we are a social species. We've always had this uh,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: this desire and this drive to collectivize. But what we've
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: seen is that men and women do it on different scales.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: Women do it on a somewhat smaller scale than men
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: do it. Women want a home that is uh, that's
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: well oiled and peaceful, and men want that too. But
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: men can see slightly broader. They can take several towns together,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: several cities together, and and creates this thing we call
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: a country. And they can they can make they can
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: make that entire country equilibriate into what we call peace
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: on a much broader scale, even than the domestic environment.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: And you may say this is a way in which
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: men and women differ, but you could also say it's
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: a way in which men and women are striving for
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: the same thing. Men. Women want a cohesive domestic environment.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: Men want a cohesive national environment. At least that's that
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: seems to be the scale at which these two different
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: groups are most suited to maintaining and uh, and that
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: that seems to be the best we can achieve with
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: human nature binarily partitioned as it is that that women
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: can look after the domestic environment while men can look
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: after the national environment. And it's no surprise that the
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: idea of nationalism is being demonized well, the the realm
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: in which women are in charge is being prioritized. And
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: for for all I've said about ecophobia. The icon is
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: under the charge of women, uh has has been assured
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: by the layer above that, which is the government. And
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: it's easy to see why people think that's men's fault.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: That's because they haven't considered the possibility that the level
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: of nationalism that the men's strive for has been reduced
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: to the level of individual feels by women. And yeah,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: there's a reason that the ancient Greeks managed to pull
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: this off for thousands of years. There's a reason the
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: ancient Romans managed to pull this off for roughly one
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: thousand years, because because they were able to simply acknowledge
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: and appreciate that men and women are different and they're
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: suited to different things. Women women are suited to the
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: domestic environment environment, and men are suited to the I
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: guess that's where it becomes complicated, because you have to
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: think of a different way of framing that which exists
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: beyond the domestic environment. And maybe maybe we're not evolutionarily
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: suited to quite understand anything beyond the domestic environment, which
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: makes sense because in cave man days it literally was
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: just a cave and all that. But again, it's ironic
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: that people who call themselves progressive, are not all that
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: interested in the ways in which men can progress society,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: in the ways men have progressed society over the last
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: one hundred thousand years or so, from the point of
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: living in caves and having uh, having a a sweet
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: and lovely domestic environment in which we somehow get all
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: the crops and all the animals we need. Sorry, that's
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: sort away the animals. We just eat crops. What needs
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: to be bigan. That's another that's another female thing. It's yeah,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: there's always this balance to be found between the the
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: collectivism of women and the collectivism of men. Uh, that
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: they're both present and had different scales, And the individualism
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: of women and the and the individualism of men. I know,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: it sounds weird that there could be two different kinds
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: of individualism, but yeah, there are. It's it's female individualism
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: and male individualism. I mean, I guess the female one
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: is a bit more emotional and the male one is
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: a bit more cognitive. Again, there's no reason that these
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: two things can't coexist. In fact, they have co existed
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: for hundreds of thousands of years, have worked perfectly well
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: until recently, because we've got so big for our boots.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: There shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, but it's so
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: fucking difficult to to keep this complex together. And yeah,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: if you're to randomly predict these things, then you'll find
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: yourself on a black pill one day, in a white
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: pill the other day, because we're in completely uncharted territory
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: at this point. We've been completely unchuted territories for one
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: hundred years or more.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say since the start of the industrial age,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: because really that is what changed, what relationship men and
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: women had in their division of labor. And you know,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: you had historically before mass production of anything existed. You know,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: you had craftsmen who made things and sold them, and
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: it was usually a family business where the domestic duties
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: may have been mostly done by the wife. But even
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: the heavier domestic duties if they had animals, if they had,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: which most people did have, at least some those might
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: have been done by the husband or you know, the
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: oldest son, oldest daughter, especially as the wife aged, you know,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: you'd see more of the heavy work getting done by
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: the kids, and the whole family would be involved in
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: the business. So if if the husband made shoes, you know,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: the whole family was involved in the acquisition of supplies
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: and the storage of those supplies. The process of shoemaking,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: the process is involved if you know that involved tanning
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: and the hides instead of going to a tanner to
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: get it done, and and so on. Like, you had
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: a whole spectrum of tasks that were done in the home,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: or in an attached business, or in other people's homes.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: And there've always been circumstances where people went to work
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: for other people. I shouldn't say always, because obviously in
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: the caveman days there might not have been. But as
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: long as there has been such a thing as currency
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: and trade, there have been domestic employees who did housework
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: for people of means so that they could focus on
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: what made them more money, whether it was transporting goods
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: or creating art and literature or whatever they were doing
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: that made them wealthy. And you know, today you have
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: more people who go work for somebody else outside the home,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: and they're not necessarily doing domestic work for other people.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: They're doing manufacturing work, they're doing different things. They're not
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: craftsmen necessarily of their own accord. They don't own the business,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: they don't take the economic risk of owning the business.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: They work for somebody else and the fruits of their
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: labor belong to their employer, and so it makes a
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: big difference. Their kids aren't involved, right, their partner is
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: not involved. They just do their job, and that it
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: changes the dynamics of the home because there's not a
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: team effort specifically for a business, and it changes the
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: dynamics of the community because it's not made up of
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: a bunch of individual economic environments like the individual home environment.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: Being an individual economic environment, it is still to a degree,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: like you still have everybody has their household budget, but
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: it's not the same. It doesn't have the same money
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: cycles as a home that is a small business within
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: a community full of homes that are small businesses would have.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: It makes a big difference, and it changes the way
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: that people interact with their community, and it changes the
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: way that people interact with their political landscape within their community.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: And you have a whole different outlook, especially now, you know,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: after years and years after we've changed children's relationship to work, right,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: child labor laws dramatically change that. And it's one thing
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: to say, you know, you should be sending kids to
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: a factory where they might get injured to work. But
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: it's wholly another to say that your family business should
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: not be your child's internship, that your child shouldn't grow
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: up learning the family business from day one. My dad
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: put a camera in my hands when I was two
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: years old. You know, it wasn't a professional camera. But
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: I started my training as a photographer. Before I started
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: learning how to read and write, I didn't know my
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: alphabet yet. I learned learned to if I'm photographing people,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: try to get them so that they're facing into the
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: picture if they're in profile instead of out of the picture.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: Before I learned how to write a paragraph about why
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: that's important in composition.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: And I learned how to focus the camera by lining
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: up in a little tiny circle the edges of an
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: object that were offset from each other if the picture
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: was going to be out of focus. Before I learned
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: you know how to how to take out a piece
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: of paper and color inside the lines of an image.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: There was nothing wrong with that. I got paid for
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: my first professional photograph at the age of seven. It
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: was incredibly proud of that money was It was probably
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: the biggest ego boost I had during my childhood. That
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: I'd just had my camera with me. My parents had
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: taken me to a wedding and there was another little
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: girl there, and it was just I was just a
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: little girl photographing another little girl because I liked her dress,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: and she was pleased as punch that I liked her dress,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: and her expression because of that was fabulous and it
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: was a great picture. I used the composition that I
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: had learned, and it was my first really successful portrait
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: and it was just the biggest deal to me that
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: they put that in the wedding book and they paid
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: me money because they put that picture in the wedding book,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: and you know, they did that so that I would
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: know that I had done a job and I had
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: done a good job and want to do that throughout
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: my life. Right and kids lose that now because they
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: don't have a legal right to work. I wasn't taken
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: there that night to work. I was just taken there
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: that night to enjoy the reception and sort of see
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: what they did, and to not pay a babysitter, you know,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: because maybe there wasn't one available at that time. But
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: you don't see a lot of kids getting that if
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: they don't grow up on a farm. Richard Bierre says,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: you were giving a camera as a bribe to keep
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: you from trying to steal your baby brother another time. Well,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: that didn't work. I did try to steal him a
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: few times, my baby, But you have to understand he
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: was the most adorable little kid ever born. So and
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: and he grew up to be a great brother. So
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: there you go. But in any case like that today
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: is abnormal. Even in the seventies when I did that,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: that was if you didn't grow up on a farm
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: and your parents were not farmers, it was kind of abnormal.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: There were a few kids I went to school with
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: who were part of family businesses. But you really, you
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: really don't have an opportunity to learn the value of
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: work as a kid, even in families, because the state interferes.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: You end up you can't get any kind of job
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: until you're like sixteen years old and in high school
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: and really need to be focusing on your studies. It's
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: really not a good thing, right, And I think people
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: tend to view the way home and family was in
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties and sixties, when the Industrial Revolution had
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: resulted in more women not having job like activities they
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: their their domestic duties were related just to housekeeping and
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: cooking and childcare as opposed to other parts of a
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: family business. I think people view that as the norm
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: throughout history, and it screws up it really he screws
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: up people's outlook on how women's experiences evolved pre feminism,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: because feminism sort of came along at a point when
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: the Industrial Revolution began making housework and childcare easier and
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: also began eliminating women's roles in business, like women's obligations
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: in terms of family business, and and so women had
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: less to do, they had less responsibility to fulfill, and
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: more time to bitch, and they did.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: And I think I think people are easily persuaded that
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: this was a trap and that this was something that
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: women were stuck in throughout history, when in fact, up
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: until the point where we started having mass production of goods,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: women had an entirely different role, and children even had
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: an entirely different role and it affected their their development.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: And I think women were more responsible prior, like they
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: were more responsible people prior to the Industrial Revolution.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: There are so many certain names that that applied to
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: professions such as archer, barber, Bowman, Brewer, Butler, Carpenter, Carver, Cook,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: DREPI yell, you notice I'm doing critical audit Farmer, Fisher, Forester, Fowler, Gardener, Hunter,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: and Mason, Miller, Piper, Potter, Saddler, Shepherd, Shoemaker, Skinner, Tanner, Taylor, Weaver,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: and Weaver. Now it seems alien to us that you
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: would have an identity that that refers to what you do,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: least of all what your family does. And it shouldn't
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: be so odd because this is literally how it worked
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: for the vast majority of history. There's a reason so
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: many people's surname pertains to a craft because for the
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: longest time people didn't have surnames. They would just be like,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know what family name is,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: but I know that my family is a family of carpenters,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: and so I guess we'll call ourselves a carpenter. And
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: it's oh thing, what have you or whatever happens. But
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: this what worked from ancient times all the way through
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: to this apparently doesn't work anymore. Yes, your family doesn't
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: matter what what your what your father and your mother
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: did for a living, doesn't matter what your grand father
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: and your grandmother did doesn't matter anymore. You should you
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: should all be stuck into the to the to the
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: the central intelligence, and the very idea of having a business. Well,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: you do that thing that pertains to that verb, that
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: pertains to that craft. None of that is important anymore.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: You don't need to be a craftsman. You need to
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: be an unremarkable blip in an industry. And that's it's
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: difficult to get this through because we're looking at this
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: through a modern lens and trying to sort of figure
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: out how we get back to how things worked in
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: ancient days. But there's a reason we're doing this because
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: people from the ancient days managed to make this shit
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: work for thousands of years and we're at this point
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: in I guess history where well, we don't recognize this
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: disability to have done a specific craft for thousands of years. Now,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: we're at this point where now everyone should be able
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: to just adjust to any given industry, to any given craft,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter what you're passionate about. Just do something for
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: eight hours a day. That'll that'll, that'll keep the general
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: society going. And by the way, we're going to tax
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: the fuck out of for everything you make and everything
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: you sell and everything it looks like you might be
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: able to sell over the next is it. Yeahs, I
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: brought it all back to what the fucking camel like
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: campaigns to do. But yeah, the for almost all of
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: human history, everything has has been has been foundationed on
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: the ability of families to form family businesses and they've
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: been able to to keep everything ticking along while also
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: figuring out new ways to do things. I know would
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: like to think that all of this comes down comes
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: down to some genius like Leonardo da Vinci at some
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: point in history and he suddenly figures out this this
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: mad way to do a new thing. But no, it's
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: not like that. It's it's it's a slow grind of
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: of many families in many cities all over the world,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: grinding away at these these crafts. That's that's how these
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: that that's where these innovations come from, the fact that
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: there's so many people were working on their own craft
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: And when this comes from the oicos, I know that's
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: that's a word that's been lost since ancient Greek times.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: But it shouldn't be because it should all be about
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: the oikos. It doesn't just mean family okos means family
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: and family home and family business. All three were one
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: and the same in ancient Greek times. It's it's most
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: like the the the takeaways that you can sell you
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: pizzas and and and and tacos and falafel. They're they're
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: all over the West these days family businesses mostly selling
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: you food and stuff. But that they developed from that,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: and that's that's that's a good thing. That that works
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: in Europe and America. If you if you have the
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: drive two to do what to do what it takes
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: to feed a hundred people a day, then you can
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: then you can do that. You can you can you
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: can serve people with whatever you want to serve them
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: with as long as it's allowed. And so there is
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: something to be said for multier when it comes to creativity.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: We're all interested in in what you can do creatively,
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: and that only takes a small and full of people
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: over the course of several years. It doesn't take several
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: million people over the cost of several years. Wait, is
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: this still dementia? And am I allowed to say this? Yeah? Sorry, yeah,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: I'm selling, but it's still sell in America, I'm allowed
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: to say all of this.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: It takes meritocracy obviously, and that's that's the thing that
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: government's pretty good at getting the way of right. You
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: see meritocracy and and you see improvements in the level
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: of knowledge and even the level of craftsmanship within society.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: You see meritocracy providing a pathway for things to become
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: more precise, for things to become more sanitized, for things
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: to become for complicated tasks to become more accessible to people,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: and so on. But when government gets in the way
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: of it, it slows it way down, right, It takes
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: away from people's brilliance. But in any case, you know this,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: this gets us right back into the fact that fitting
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: into that was women's ability as members of the household
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: who were not the the They didn't take point on
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: any of it right there. They may have taken point
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: on making sure people were fed, making sure the home
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: environment was tidy so that it was safe, and making
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: sure that people were cared for if somebody was ill,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: that they got treatment, making sure that children were cared
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: for and so on, and seeing to the education of
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: their children. But they didn't take point on the business
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: and of it, and so they were able to take
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: their their time away from the business end of it
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: to influence public opinion right, and to influence the opinion
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: of people in public service. And when women in like
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: in modern in the modern era, when women take point
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: on breadwinning because we no longer have a system of
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: mostly family businesses in in a an environment where every
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: household is a is a enveloped economy of its own
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: within a system of enveloped economies that have their own
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: money cycle around a business. But when it was in
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: this modern system of women bread winning by being part
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: of the mass production society and the service industry and
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: the media industry and so on, you lose that time
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: to be influencers political influencers, and it becomes a drain
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: either on their family or their health or both for
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: women to do this, and so what you end up with, like,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: I'm an empty nester, so I don't have a situation
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: where this is taking away from childcare. But a lot
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: of women involved in political influence today are utilizing babysitting
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: and mass childcare and stuff like that. They are taking
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: away from their families and they're taking away from their health,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: and it's definitely different. A lot of women don't do
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: that anymore because it does wear on you, and you
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: do get burnt out. You constantly want to just walk
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: away from it for a little while and try to renew.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: And there's always more that needs done. And so yeah,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of women just give up on that and
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: they just go vote because they can vote. They might
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: not even pay attention to all of the details around
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: the issues on which they are voting. You know, they
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: might just look at, well, the Republicans say this, and
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: I'm a Republican, so I'm going to vote for what
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: they say I should vote for. The Democrats say this,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: and I'm a Democrat, and therefore I'm going to vote
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: this way on the issue or for this candidate, right,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: or the feminists say this, and therefore I'm going to
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: vote this way. Feminism is as much a political party
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: as it is a religion. So let's see. We will
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: go on with the next one. The motto of the
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: federation was unity and diversity, and they were talking about
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: the diversity of a wide swatch of people across the country.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: Not necessarily, well, we must have these one each of
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: these various token groups about diversity of opinion, diversity of location,
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: and therefore diversity of perspective. And their books and periodicals
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: are filled with accounts of their legislative victories. From eighteen
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: ninety to nineteen twenty two. Thirds of clubs women were
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: anti suffragettes in nineteen oh three, according to their president,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: yet they still believed are still achieved a long list
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: of legislative successes on domestic issues around the country at
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: a time when women didn't have voting rights. By the way,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: women couldn't be guaranteed federal voting rights, and in many
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: states women didn't have even local voting rights. Pure food
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: laws were passed as a result of lobbying by women's clubs,
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: though the credit more often goes to Upton Sinclair for
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: writing The Jungle. Similarly, the establishment of parks and public
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: libraries in the requirement that children attend school were legislative
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: victories of the club women. They understood the value of
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: presenting a united front to legislators, and they believed that
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: club women had more power to influence lawmakers if they
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: stayed out of the dirty pool of partisan politics, as
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: the anties called it. And this would be the image
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: they're referring to, the Votes for Women flag here with
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: the suffragette and you can see sort of the shadows
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: of men and women behind them, children, and the suffragette
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: is just ignoring everybody, and there is the dirty pool
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: of politics below her feet. Many people regarded politics as
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: a corrupt and disreputable business, which it is in the
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: early nineteen hundreds, and many women strongly preferred to stay
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: out of it. In this cartoon, a child pleads with
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: her mother not to enter the filthy pool of politics
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: Swan Cavot family papers. So this is again an historical item.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: In the era of Tammany hall, men's political activity involved
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: deal making, patronage, personal attacks, bribery, and corruption. Politics still
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: involves all of those things. Club women and other women activists,
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: as the Anties pointed out, were in a separate class.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: Because these respectable white women were working for the good
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: of the community, their motives were never questioned, so they
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: didn't really feel like if you were involved in partisan
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: politics you would be as pure of motive as if
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: you were involved with in a club full of women
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: that were simply lobbying. It was widely expect accepted that
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: respectable married women occupied the moral high ground while politicians
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: occupied the moral low ground. So essentially, because of the
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: public perspective, these women had the power to in contact
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: with politicians speak from above. Where we hear all the
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: time from feminists about punching up. From these women's perspectives,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: they were punching down. They were talking to people who
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: were beneath them morally and using the power of their
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: position as moral leaders to persuade. Now, whether this was
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: moral or not totally different story. But does that sound
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: like power? Absolutely being able to speak from a position
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: where people consider you a moral leader, where you say
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: jump and people don't just ask how high, but they
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: take it to be immoral If people don't listen and
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: jump because you said so, that gives you quite a
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: level of power, especially when you have the ability to
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: influence legislation doing that, you say, this law needs to
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: be passed because the current situation is untenable right because
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: of the moral issues surrounding it. People have to listen.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: If you're speaking from a moral high ground. There is
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: shame associated with not listening to what you have to
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: say and not acting on your requests and your suggestions.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: There are three levels of communication, as indicated by so
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: many academics, it's inform, persuade, and entertain the I think
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: this appears in the hit Shock's Guides to the Galaxy,
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: as indicated by how do we eat? Why do we eat?
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: And where should we eat? And we're long past the
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: how do we eat? Men figured that out. Men started
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: that out a long hours time ago. How do we eat?
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: We plant things. We continue to hunt things, but we
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: also plant things. A uh, that was called the agricultural revolution,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: and then came the industrial Revolution to bring about whole
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: new levels of how do we eat? And then came
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: why do we eat? People didn't really bother with that
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: until the Renaissance, and then they were like, see even
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: the point in human beings eating? But they did figure
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: it out in accordance with the previous all right era
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: of how do we eat? Well we eat because it
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: helps us survive, and survival is how we praise God
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: over there and and now and now we're we're long
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: since into the into the area of where should we
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: eat lunch? But it's mainly women who get to experience.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: Men for the most part are sort of a sort
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: of a sort of working on how we and on
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: how we maintain plumbing and electricity and and all these
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: things that keep society going. But yeah, we have we
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: have ah a higher estolon of society. We have well women,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: while while men are figuring out how we eat, women
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: are figuring out why we eat and where we should
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: have lunch. And it's a bit like Maslow's pyramid of needs.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: We're at this point where where women are deciding where
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: we should have lunch, while while men are still deciding
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: how the fun we.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 8: Eat, and and all all of these points of reference
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 8: when it comes to philosophy kind of moot, because men
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 8: are working their asses off to make sure that everyone
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 8: can eat well women and the men who symp for them.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: Are busy clutching at straws. Why we should even eat?
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: The West has failed, hasn't it? The British empire has failed,
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: and the American Empire has failed. Why should we even
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: allow the fruits of our labor to blossom in our
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: own stomachs? Why do we deserve any of this? Why
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: it should hard work result in a better life? Well
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: it shouldn't, because because people who don't work hard at
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: life and I'm not experiencing the better life. So those
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: who do work hard should work even harder so that
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: those who do not work hard, I'm going to arrive
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: at the same place as those who do work hard.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: It's just this is just me nutshelling the the Amla
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: Harris regime. I like, once again, I it's not my
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: place to tell Americans how to vote. But if you don't,
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: if you don't vote Trump in the next election, then
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is gonna is going to get in. And
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: she she's never been in the business of getting in
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: on policy. Kamala Harris has been buddies with Obama since
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: before Obama got into office. She's been sat there being
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: Obama's best buddy. I think right. Obama promised her sixteen
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: years ago, Yeah, I'm gonna be president for eight years,
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: and then You're going to be president for eight years, Kamala,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: and it's going to happen no matter what, which would
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: begin to explain the rigular role we're being put through.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: You're being put through. I should say I am not American.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: I wish I was, because that would certainly be better
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: than being British. But yeah, you all in America are
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: being put through something y'all should never have been put through. Dynasties,
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: power that's passed down, not through the voting that you
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: would expect to happen in a democratic Republic or whatever
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: it is. You'll all yourselves. You're you're being ruled by royalty.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: I know that's that's an odd thing for for someone
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: from to say. But the only reason Obama got in
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: was because it was his turn. Why because of his
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: skin color, of course. And it was supposed to be
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: Hillary it was her turn because she's a woman. And
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: that didn't happen. That got that got that got that
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: got sideswiped by that thing. That shouldn't happen. It was
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: supposed to be Obama, Obama, Hillary, Hillary, Kamela Kamela because
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: not not because there would ever be voted into power.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: That was never the idea, uh for all, For all
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: the Democrats shrieking about saving democracy, they've never been interested
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: in democracy. They've been interested in something analogous to monarchy.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: It's it's not that you've been voted into power, it's
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: that it's simply your turn. This is why so many
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: people voted for Obama. It's not that we like his policies,
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: it's that it's his turn. We need a black person
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: in power. Okay, now we've figured that out for eight
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: years now. We need a woman in power like Hillary.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: Oh shit, that didn't work. Everyone fucking hates Hillary, but
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: the stage after that was a woman of color, and
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: Obama and his cronies have worked ever so hard to
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: make sure that happens, regardless of democracy. Quite in the
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: h well, in a defiance of democracy, you'll have found
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: yourselves with dynasties that are not interested in being voted
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: into power. They want power because it's their turn. And
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: that's I mean, you'll fought a fucking war in seventeen
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: seventy six to avoid this very idea of power that's
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: passed down to someone just because they deserve it, just
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: because of genetics or some shit. And yeah, there are
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: things to be said in favor of this, there are
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: things to be said against this, but none of them
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: matter when it comes to the American dream. None of
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: this was ever part of the American dream. It should
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: have always been and we the person were put in charge,
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: should be the person who has the merit to do that,
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: and that that's that's all been torn away from from
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: this approach in the last a five or six weeks
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: plus the last four years or so. Yeah, it's it's
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: the destruction of meritocracy and and replacing it with this
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: person deserves to be here because of this esthetic property.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: It's and you know that that that was never a
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: shortcoming of Mornique, never a shortcoming worked in for thousands
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: of years. It's it's it's the shortcoming of democracy. And
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know where to finish that democracy of what
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: was a mistake. And we are at this point that
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: we're at now because because so much has been invested,
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: this goddamn mistake we call democracy, and the culmination of
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 2: it is the Kamala Harris presidency. And I'm not a
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: religious man, but I'm right here praying both hands clashed
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: together same for the love of God to not Kamala.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: And again, I'm in no position to tell Americans who
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: to vote for. But the only way to stop the
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: Democrats from stealing the following election is to enact a
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: landslide for Trump, and I mean a Reagan style landslide,
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: like if it unless unless you get every state organically
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 2: voting for Trump, you're going to get a Kamila Harris
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: presidency organically taking over your country, not just for the
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: next four years, but for the next eight years. This
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: was always the plan ever since Obama got in. He
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: promised Kamala that she would also get to be president.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: It didn't matter to him that she's a fucking retard
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: that makes Miss America candidates look like Stephen fucking Hockeys.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: None of this sever important. It was always about surrendering
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: America to the communist revolution, and the only way to
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: stop it is to vote for Trump. So vote for
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: Trump and ballot harvest as many people as you know.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: Don't just vote for Trump, tell your neighbors and your
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: family to vote for Trump. Everyone needs to do this.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: It's the only way to prevent America and the world
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: from falling to communism. I know I'm preaching to the
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: crowd drunk right now, So I'm just saying what I
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: know everythinking for the sake of just fucking saying it,
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: because said, yeah.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: I mean Albernada. Retrid just gave us two super chats
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: that have one of them. The second one is pretty
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: much spot on with regard to Kamala Harris. But the
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: first one he gave us five dollars and said, hey, guys,
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: did you hear game or Gate sank the Titanic and
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: in cells caused COVID ketchup women most affected? And the
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: second one was another five dollars, and he said, as
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: I said to Daisy Cousins, Kamala sent a man she
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: knew was innocent to delete's row. All right, I'm gonna
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: say death row because I know you probably couldn't type
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: that in as a super chat. But I don't like
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: the idea of just accepting new speak because it's being imposed.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: So yeah, she sent a man she knew was innocent
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: to death row, and she did it on purpose. She
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: did it knowingly and willfully. She fought to keep him there.
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: By the way, if that's not enough for you not
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: to not vote for her, your short bus awaits. And like,
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know anything about that conversation, but I know
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: that there are MRAs who think that the Democrat Party
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: is the because they're the progressive party to men's issues.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: And I know there are MRAs that think they're Republican
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: Party is the answer to men's issues because they're not progressive.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: Neither party is the answer to men's issues. And Trump
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: is also not the answer to men's issues. But Kamala
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: Harris is so unethical and so bad for men's issues
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: that regardless of what you think of Trump, he's still better.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not happy with a lot of the big government
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: things that occurred during the COVID crisis, I don't feel
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: like I don't feel like Trump's policy was enough to
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: prevent even though he came out and said, you know,
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: don't shut down, don't shut down, you know, he did not.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: I don't feel like he did enough to prevent over
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: zealous shutdowns. And I think he should have found a
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: way to get Anthony Fauci out of a position of authority,
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: and he didn't do that. And I'm still voting for
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: him because Kamala Harris is so bad that even not
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: being on board with everything Trump did, I'm on board
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: with the things that Trump's not gonna do not happening.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: So I'll vote for Trump because he's not going to
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: do the things that Kamala Harris is promising to do.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: That's enough for me right now, because there isn't somebody
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: viable as a candidate or who is running, who is
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: going to do the things I would like to see happen,
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: and who has said they are going to do the
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: things that I would like to see happen. And I
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: think if somebody did run saying they wanted to do
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: the things I would like to see happen. The majority
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: of the country is not ready to vote for them.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: If they were, we would be talking about Ramaswami instead
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: of Trump.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: So somewhere out there is the American equivalent of Havevier. Yeah,
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: no one knows who. I guess it's Ron Pole and
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: he's been there for a couple of decades now. But
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: y'all couldn't get on board with Ron Paul when you
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: should have. But I guess there's a Ron Pole for
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: the new generation out there somewhere, and you don't know
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: who he is yet. So in the meantime, you have
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: a choice between absolute communism, namely, and I mean moderate
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 2: leftism from twenty years ago as Trump. Trump's not right wing,
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: I know, the fucking mediaized to portray is worst right
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: winging thing since in Hitler. As everybody's not. He's a
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: normal Democrat from twenty years ago, and any normal, normal
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: Democrat from twenty years ago ought to be voting for him.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: But they're not because they've been suckers, suckered into oh
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: on communism. I'm not even going to mince my words anymore.
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: There's all sorts of quotes you can find from Kamala
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: about equity, about everyone arriving at the same place, about
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: how no.
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: Illegal immigrant is illegal. She said all this stuff, She
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: said everything that that these these justice were have been
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: taught in universities for the last thirty forty fifty sixty
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: years of that. She's not even a person. She's a
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 2: vessel for for the Marxist ideology that's been brewing in
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: universities for sixty years and brewing in the mainstream media
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: for forty years. And I mean, it's kind of miraculous
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 2: that a Trump figure was ever even introduced into It
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 2: should have been Hillary. It was supposed to be Hillary
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: eight years ago. It was supposed to be eight years
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: of Hillary, and then eight years of Kamala. Biden was
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: never supposed to get in. He was only there as
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: a stop gap, as a as a as a sort
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: of blank slate in order to get Kamala in.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: Because they didn't think they could convince people that Hillary
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: was elected in a landslide. That's why, I mean.
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: They tried, They really tried. They they pulled all the
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: stops out.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 5: It was.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: A miracle that that Trump was even able to get in.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 2: And and for that reason, you'll you'll, you'll should maybe
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: take a white pillar that no matter how many polls
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: they show you over the next few weeks, that that
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: Kamala is he's fifty eight percent to Trump's forty. Like,
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: it's all bollocks. It's only there to to to to
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: offer of a to the inevitable steal. Like again, I
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: maybe not my place as a brit to tell Americans
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: how to vote, But the only way you're going to
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: stop the steel is whether Trump landslide like Reagan style
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty Reagan style. The only way you can possibly
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: save yourself from absolute communism now and forever is with
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: a Trump landslide so absolute that they can't possibly steal it.
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 2: And even that, I don't even know what the boundary
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 2: would be for the landslide to be so unanimous that
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: they can't possibly steal it, because I don't know the
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: extent that they're able to steal it. It hasn't been
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: properly investigated the last time they stole it. Can I say, yeah,
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 2: I can say that we're in an election season, so
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: I can say stole. I can say the Democrats stole
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: the twenty twenty election. In a few months, I won't
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 2: be able to say that anymore.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and a few months still take this stream down
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: for that being in it, even though they won't take
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: it down now because that would be called election interference.
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: But they might still do it. It's possible, It's very possible.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: But we'll see, we'll find out what happened. Albert Nata
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: Retro gave us another five dollars Canadian and of his
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: previous super chat, he said Tulsa Geber outed her hard
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: for that. At least the Republicans were willing to talk
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: to Warren Ferrell where the Dems said we can't risk
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: the support. I'll go further than the Dems saying we
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: can't risk they don't care. Democrats don't care, and they're
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: not gonna support the men's rights movement because part of
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: men's rights advocacy is father's rights advocacy, and the Democrat
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: Party is not the party for fathers. They're not pro
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: father and there's their pro single mom. They've always been
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: pro single mom as long as that has been an issue,
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: a political issue, that is to say, and that's not
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: going to change. They're not going to improve. It's always
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: going to be that way because it provides them with
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: a reason to raise your taxes, right, and you know,
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 1: Republicans are are marginally better like they they're willing to
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: actually look at the problem, but they still blame men
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: for it right now, So you know it's they have
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: a different outlook on the outcome that they want. They
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: the Republicans at least want to see fathers in the home.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: They don't want to see the home broken up, whereas
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: Democrats they don't necessarily want to see fathers in the
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: home and they don't think that should be a goal.
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: So that's your divide. It's going to be easier to
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: persuade the Republican Party to expand their view on fathers
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: to the degree that they stop blaming men and start
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: looking into the full spectrum of gender issues and economic
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: issues that results in fathers not being in the home,
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: since having fathers in the home is a goal than
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: it is to get the Democrat Party to adopt having
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 1: fathers remain in the home as a goal. But with
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: that said, I think we've hit it's like nine thirteen
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: my time. I think we've hit a point where we
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: should put a pause button on it until next time.
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 1: So we've just talked about the historical idea that married
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: women occupy a moral higher ground than politicians, which will
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  Speaker 1: occupy a moral low ground, and how women's influence was
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  Speaker 1: affected by that, and we've been talking about these issues
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  Speaker 1: and everything in respect to women's influence. I will point
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  Speaker 1: out you're gonna hear guyescentric stuff from Trump, and like
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  Speaker 1: I said last week, there isn't such a thing as
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  Speaker 1: a political candidate who is going to win by appealing
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  Speaker 1: to anti guines centrism right now. It's an unfortunate fact,
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  Speaker 1: but our society overall is guyinescentric and that we're lucky
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  Speaker 1: right now that the Democrat has pissed women off. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if it's pissed enough women off, but if
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  Speaker 1: we can get a reckoning against the anti father party,
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  Speaker 1: then perhaps we can see more local laws and policies
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  Speaker 1: changed in supportive fathers. Custody and child support issues are
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  Speaker 1: just decided on a state by state basis in the
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  Speaker 1: United States, and so if the Democrat Party has pissed
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  Speaker 1: off enough women that we see fewer single mom supporters
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  Speaker 1: in office, we may see the ability to get more
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  Speaker 1: reform through, to see more fifty to fifty shared parenting
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  Speaker 1: support and more support for reducing child support on the
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  Speaker 1: basis of that more support for eliminating alimony on the
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  Speaker 1: basis of women's capacity for earning their own living such
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  Speaker 1: just depending on whether or not again we can persuade
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  Speaker 1: Republicans to look at the details of the pattern of
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  Speaker 1: fatherlessness rather than simply kneed your blaming men. So there
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  Speaker 1: you go. It's probably one of the best things that
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  Speaker 1: can happen, and it does rely in part on getting
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  Speaker 1: women in the men's rights movement, women in the anti
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  Speaker 1: feminist movement to write to politicians, call politicians, discuss this
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  Speaker 1: in the public sphere, where people are going to see
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  Speaker 1: that women are recognizing women making stupid choices and the
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  Speaker 1: consequences of funding those choices, and see that women recognize
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  Speaker 1: that it's important to eliminate that funding and to change
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  Speaker 1: the legal environment so that fathers have the power to
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  Speaker 1: remain in their children's lives even if the mother is
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  Speaker 1: not responsible enough to want to keep the father in
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  Speaker 1: the child's life. With that, I'm going to go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and call it a night for the show, So I
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  Speaker 1: will have We have one super chow that was from
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  Speaker 1: Meredith g and it says she gave us one hundred
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  Speaker 1: dollars and five dollars. So two super childs came through,
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  Speaker 1: but only one of them had text and it was
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  Speaker 1: HBr Talk three twenty four Honey for the Badgers. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you very much, Meredith. And with that, I think that's everything.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't have any rumble rants and I got all
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  Speaker 1: of the super chats, So thanks everybody for listening. Thanks
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  Speaker 1: to my two co hosts for sticking out along. Again.
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  Speaker 1: I know that that this history is a very dry sausage,
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  Speaker 1: but as we're going through this, I think everybody will
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  Speaker 1: note that the history of suffrage is a lot more
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  Speaker 1: complex than people treat it when they talk about the issue.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of the detail of tax paying
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  Speaker 1: and having to back the the decisions made at the
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  Speaker 1: poll with with blood and personal risk that really women
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  Speaker 1: women have nothing to do with any of that, and
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  Speaker 1: they just got voting rights sort of by default of
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  Speaker 1: community misogyny. As our community misogyny, community guy is centrism,
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  Speaker 1: I really kindes. Centrism is is the low expectations, the
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  Speaker 1: soft misogyny of low expectations. In this instance, right.
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  Speaker 2: Hey man, Solami and pepperoni is how you get dry
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  Speaker 2: but flavor some sausage.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and this is we we got a little spicy tonight,
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  Speaker 1: so there you go. But but yeah, it's it's pretty
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  Speaker 1: obvious that these lessons are needed because people react emotionally
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  Speaker 1: to this discussion outside of the men's rights movement, and
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  Speaker 1: they don't understand what they're talking about in terms of
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  Speaker 1: what voting rights are, and and uh, what merits having
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  Speaker 1: voting rights in the first place, and and what responsibilities
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  Speaker 1: that entails. Albert Nada Retro just gave us five dollars
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  Speaker 1: Canadian and said Trump should endorse Kamala in the den
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  Speaker 1: voters voters won't who to vote for. Yeah, there you go.
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  Speaker 1: That would be That would be hilarious. And Gabriel Phail
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  Speaker 1: and Lucas wants to know if there is a Patron
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  Speaker 1: show Patreon show. Yes there is. I can't create it
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  Speaker 1: until after the show, So after I close out the show,
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  Speaker 1: I will create the Patron Show and we will be
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  Speaker 1: going over more from the list of one hundred examples
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  Speaker 1: of quiet or casual misogyny from modern intimacy, which starts
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  Speaker 1: with the idea that dismissing a woman's feelings or opinions
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  Speaker 1: as irrational is misogyny, not because women are never irrational,
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  Speaker 1: but just on the basis that you know, because the
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  Speaker 1: opinion belongs to a woman, or the feeling belongs to
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  Speaker 1: a woman, it can be irrational. That's essentially the claim there.
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  Speaker 1: So we read the first ten last week and had
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  Speaker 1: quite an active discussion on them, so we'll probably we'll
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  Speaker 1: try to get through ten more tonight. No promises because
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  Speaker 1: I gotta go to work tonight, but that's going to
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  Speaker 1: show right there. So thanks all, and we will have
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  Speaker 1: a good night and we will see you next Thursday.