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28. Flight Nurse Clients · The Shift Podcast

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Welcome to Frontline Static, a podcast that helps bridge the
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gap between healthcare workers and 1st responders and
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everything in between. I am so excited to share with
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you an interview that I had with two of my clients.
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They have ER and ICU background and they got into flight.
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They talk about what it was like to have coaching and mentoring
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along the way of doing the application, the interviews and
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then accepting the offers and now being in orientation and
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coming off of orientation. They talk about the common
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struggles that both of them faced during that whole process
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and where the struggles are that they're facing now.
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And I just hope that you can get some little Nuggets and
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strategies from how to go through this process and what
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coaching and mentoring can do for you.
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My philosophy is definitely different than anything that
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you've heard out there on how to get hired into the flight realm,
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and I just so appreciate both of them trusting me and allowing me
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to be a part of this process for them.
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And I'm just so proud of the work that they've done and the
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work that they continue to do for this industry.
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So without further ado, here is my interview with Floricella and
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Amanda Okay today. I have a very special podcast.
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I am interviewing two of my actually current clients, which
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is awesome, Floricella and Amanda.
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And both of them came to me with very different backgrounds and
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got into flight. So I thought today we would just
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take the opportunity to answer some questions that I think
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common questions that come up for people who are trying to get
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into it and then kind of just ask you some questions as being
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a new off of orientation and six months in and all of those kinds
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of things that I think a lot of people don't think about the
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challenges that come with that. So we'll kind of talk about
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that. So let's just start with
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introducing who you guys are. And I know both of you guys have
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been on the podcast before, but we'll start with who you are and
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kind of like where you are in that track right now.
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So Amanda, if you want to start introducing yourself 1st, that
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would be great. Sure.
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So I am about two months in into starting flight nursing.
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So this is very new to me in this process.
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Background wise, I came from ICUED experience, been a nurse
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about five years. So that's kind of the whole bit
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of the nursing. And so everything's been a
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little scary, but good on the flight nursing for me.
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All right, awesome. So two months and you said just
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came off of orientation, we're still doing orientation.
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Yeah. Our orientation's like six
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months long. So great, great.
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All right. Florisella, tell us about you.
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Yes. So my name is Coricela.
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I've been a nurse for about 5 years now.
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I started in the ICU and that's kind of where I left off.
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Surgical ICU in West TX, very rural setting and we we took
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care of patients from all of. Eastern New Mexico.
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So it's a very rural area. I kind of have patients from all
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over. I've also been flying probably
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for about 5 months now. I wish my orientation was six
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months. I think that's really nice.
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But so far it's been going great.
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I also have my paramedic. I've had that for almost a year
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now. Well, it'll be in December, but
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so I've had my paramedic and I volunteer here and the small
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community that I live in when I when I have a chance.
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So that's that's me. Yeah, awesome.
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I want to talk about, I think, you know, maybe just going
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through the process. Of getting onto flight with you
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guys was it harder, easier just what you expected like what was
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your as far as like your expectation and how it really?
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Was for you. How was that experience for you?
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So I I never thought I was ready.
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And it was kind of a constant argument in my head where like,
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OK, you still need more experience.
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You still need more experience. And even other people like, you
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know, going on rideons like, hey, you, you should have more
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experience. But the problem was for me, like
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I come from a big city, big city hospitals, and I feel like
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sometimes that is not a good thing.
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Because there's so many, there's so many specialties that there's
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only so much that you can learn and so much responsibility that
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you can have as a nurse. And that's something that I
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bring to my base too, that I tell them like, hey, don't be
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fooled by my resume, I know things.
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But you probably see more in sicker patients at rural
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hospitals. So in my head this is also my
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personality too, where I either. Go all out or nothing.
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So I think it was that moment where I was at bedside and just
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really sick of it one day and just saying, like, hey, you know
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what, I want to push myself to learn and I want also other
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people to want to push me to learn.
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So it was very, very hard to get to that point of actually
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putting that application. And even though it was like a
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couple clicks, you know, but it was really hard, I thought that
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was actually the hardest part to actually tell myself you're
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going to apply for this because what's the worst that can
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happen? So.
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I surprised myself because I didn't realize I was going to
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get interviews. So the interview process wasn't
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wasn't horrible for me. I enjoy interviews and I also
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had your guidance in it and then came orientation.
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So I think. The orientation part and also
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applying was the hardest part for me.
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I also like, I don't have EMS experience either.
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So that part has been a struggle for me.
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Just getting used to that and the autonomy of it, Yeah, What
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was it like before we move on to Floor Cell and her experience?
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What was it for you that clicked that was like, Because I think
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for most people who are trying to get into it, they think about
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it for years, right? They're like, and then there's
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that thought that's stopping them.
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And for you it was, I don't have enough experience.
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So what was it, that one thing that clicked for you that was
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like, no, I'm going for it, even though you were nervous about
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it? Mine was.
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I had an experience at the hospital I was working with and
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you know, I'm, I would say I'm pretty independent and wanting
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to learn and grasp what I want for my career.
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So I so I asked like, okay every time I ask a question like, oh,
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teach me about this, What resources do I have?
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The answer was always, you know, you could look up an article,
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but it doesn't really matter. You don't have to know it.
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And that was my trigger. And Nope, that's not acceptable
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for me personally. I I'm not ready for school.
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I don't at this point don't think that's what I want.
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So that was my push of you know what?
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No, I need something different. I need that change I mean.
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I felt comfortable enough at bedside that I I knew it wasn't
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the right place for me anymore. Yeah, yeah.
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No, great. Great.
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All right. How about you, Farshella?
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Yeah, it's hard to like, think back for that.
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I know it seems like a lot has happened since then.
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Yeah, it really does feel that way.
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I feel like kind of piggybacking off what Amanda said.
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I think the hardest part was trying to tell myself that I was
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ready because I I know when I first reached out to you, I was
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more so just like, OK, so let me get my ducks in a row so that I
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can start heading in that direction versus.
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You need to apply right now. And I was like, no, I don't, I'm
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not ready for it. I come, I mean I've been in the
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ICU for five years, but it's a, it's a very hard environment and
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I definitely don't feel like I have the confidence to to go out
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and be autonomous and start taking care of some of these
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sick patients and you know, with just one partner.
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So I just don't definitely don't feel like I had it in me and I
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thought that. Applying was just going to be
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like, well, I'll just learn from this experience and I'll apply
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later because I definitely didn't think I'd get a phone
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call or an interview or a job offering.
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So that's kind of where I'm at. And that was, that was hard,
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just trying to push yourself to apply.
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But like Amanda said, with your guidance, I think that probably
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helped push me as well, just because I don't feel like I was
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ready for it at all. Yeah.
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What's interesting is that most all of my clients that want to
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get on the flight, they start their initial conversation with
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me like okay, what are the steps I need to do to kind of prepare
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for it? And almost every conversation I
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know it was that that way with you two.
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I get on the first call with you guys and I'm like, you're ready.
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What are, what are we waiting for?
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Like what is it that we're waiting for?
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So you know, I I agree like that's the biggest hurdle for a
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lot of people is they feel like they're not experienced or they
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haven't seen enough. So as we're talking about now
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the application process, my philosophy is to put in a ton of
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applications so that you can put yourself out there and really
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you know you're interviewing them as they're interviewing
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you. And So what I always have my
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clients do is put in as many places that they're willing to
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go and then we rank them. And I would say 90% of the time
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what they're ranked as number one, they don't end up picking
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because as they're going through the application process, they
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realize like, oh, I really like this aspect about #2 or #3
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better. So for you guys, I know that,
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and this is usually what happens, once you push click and
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then you push click on the other applications, things start
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happening. People start reaching out,
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recruiters, tests, interviews, all these things.
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So how was that process for you guys as far as your ranking and
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where you ended up landing? So funny story about that.
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I think I for me, personally, I didn't.
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Want to be far away from home because I have personal like you
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know take care of family. So that was even more so than do
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I have enough experience question that played a large
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factor in me deciding which flight company that I wanted to
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apply to. And so I think they were.
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I applied to a couple that was either like one or two hours
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away. I didn't want to drive like 4 to
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5 hours for this. But you know I was like okay.
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Well, you're kind of limiting yourself.
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Push it a little bit. Three hours, Three to four
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hours, Okay, fine. But because of that distance,
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not because of the company or anything, that it was the
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distance that I was like okay, whatever, just put it in, what's
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the worst that can happen? That question, that phrase
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always pops up in my head. But as I was interviewing for
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me, what's important for me is like, you know, you're open to
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teaching me. Because of my background, like
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that's what I that's why I'm here for this career.
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And also just the feel of it because you know, being at
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bedside, I've experienced, you know, people not being open or
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like bullying and all that stuff.
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So that was those two things were most important to me.
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And interviewing all these places, I felt more comfortable
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with the one that was 3 hours away.
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And it was honestly all just because of a conversation in the
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interview. They made me feel comfortable.
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They they made me. Really, You know, feel like I
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was a part of them. Like they wanted me as much as I
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wanted them. So I end up choosing the one
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that was farther away, which was last choice.
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Again, not because of the company, just because of the
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distance. Yeah, yeah, so.
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From Yeah, From when I feel like it's a little bit different,
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just because there there weren't that many options, so I really
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only applied to one place. But when I was applying to one
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company, they have multiple bases.
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And so it was it ended up being like just the same interview for
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the same company, even though they have multiple bases.
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So I don't really feel like there was a a ranking that I had
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to do just because it was, you know, do you want it or not?
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Do you want it? Yeah, I I have to drive 4 hours
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to Amanda. It kind of stinks, but.
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Yeah, I ended up renting a place.
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That's like gas is. Expensive these days it really.
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Is so as far as like the application process, you know I
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really talk about people come to me and they think we're going to
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really hit in on areas that they're weak on and of course we
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cover those areas, but I do a lot.
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Of thought work as far as you know.
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We want to show them in the interview who you are, who you
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are as a person, who you are as a nurse and what you value.
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And I think a lot of people don't understand like that's a
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big part in in really standing out compared to everybody else.
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What was it that you tried to convey or what was the?
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Thoughts that you had going into the interview that you feel like
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made you stand out and be successful in the process I.
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Think. And this is something that we
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spoke about. You know, every person brings
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something different into whoever you're working at.
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And for me, like I said previously, I take care of the
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family member. And I've always been very, very
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selfconscious of that because in my previous jobs it's always
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been a deterrent for me to work like, oh hey, like.
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I need to swap shifts. I was that annoying person that
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sent emails constantly or like I couldn't be at work because of
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these things. And you know, I'm.
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I'm really self-conscious about it and even to this point
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sometimes I am. And I think, excuse me if I'm
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like veering off from the question because I tend to do.
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But I think that aspect of taking care of family is what
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helps me be more passionate about nursing.
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Like, push me to know why, push me to choose something that
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separates me geographically farther.
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And you know, actually it's funny because I was talking to
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my coworkers about this, like, hey, like, I'm sorry if I like,
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have to leave or something because of that distance.
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And you know, they have been so accepting.
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David, it's funny because my first preceptor was like, I
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actually took care of my grandparent too and.
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Very similar experiences. And with the flight world, I
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think it's so focused on going back home to your family that
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it's so open and they know because of that.
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Like, I feel like everyone that I've met in flight, they're
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always responsible for taking care of someone.
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So it's that common understanding, uncaring, but I
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think. Having my family member to take
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care of, I think that brings a unique perspective for me to my
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base. Like, hey, like I'm
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understanding if you need to change schedule or like
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understanding for patients sometimes when you know things
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go crazy yourself. So yeah, So what was your
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thought going into each interview?
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Because we kind of came up with one that you felt like was
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believable for you and really drove you.
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Yeah, well, going in the interview I was, I didn't want
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to say anything or be open about my personal life because, again,
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from previous experiences, it was more of a negative thing
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more than a positive thing. And immediately, I think what
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made me most comfortable with my the company that I went with,
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everyone at base was like, Oh no, like.
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That is not an issue whatsoever. Like don't even think it's an
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issue. And they they caught it in my
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tone like they knew I was self-conscious about it.
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So I think having that made me realize like, oh like they can
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already sense what I'm feeling over the phone.
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Like, I think this is the right fit for me.
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Yeah, great. How?
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About you. What's the question I?
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Was thinking that mid, mid answer to yeah, we we were
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talking about like I really work on thought work with you guys
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and really showing in the interview like who you are and
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what you value. Like that's what they're looking
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for. They're not looking for your
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experience. They're looking for who you are
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as an individual, what you're going to bring to the team.
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So one what was the thought that that you came up with that kind
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of drove you through the interviews?
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What thought did you have? And then what was it that you
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brought to the table about what you valued and that you really
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wanted to convey to them? Well, I think one of those I I
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would say is. Again coming, going back to just
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not feeling like I'm experienced enough or knowing enough.
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I think working with you and going through all this you know
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thought work in regards to my mindset of I do belong here, I
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do belong at you know, I have a seat at this table like it's
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like I belonged I. I'm like, what am I trying to
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say? I'm like, I belong at this table
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with five people interviewing me, like I deserve this.
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I worked hard for it. And I think kind of what you're
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saying is something I kept telling myself because, you
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know, I. I've done hard things and I can
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do hard things before or I've done the hard things before.
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And so that kind of helped get me through it because I just
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don't feel like I may be the smartest person in the room, but
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I feel like I work hard for what I what I have.
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So I feel like that kind of really helped push me through
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and I I did my best to just be. Myself and not act like I knew
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everything because I know I didn't.
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You know, whatever questions they threw at me and maybe I
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didn't have the answer to, I was just genuine about it.
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And I think I try try to convey, I mean, I'm I can be teachable.
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Like, I may not know everything, but I'm willing to learn.
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Like, I'm here because I want to learn as well.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And I think, you know, what I tell people is that even if you
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don't tell them that in the interview, I always offer for
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them too. But even if you don't, if you
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can be thinking that, then they're always going to hear it
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in your tone of voice. They're always going to know.
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Just like you were saying, Amanda.
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Like you were talking about, you know, your family, but they knew
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that that was something for you, So they brought.
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That up. So I think that's great to
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remember, Okay. So now I want to move beyond the
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interview because this is where the real work begins and this is
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what I try to prepare people for on day one who come to me that
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want to get into flight. I say your work doesn't just
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end. Once you pass the interview and
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you accept your offer and you you start orientation, that's
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where the really hard. Work starts.
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That's where, like, the obstacles really start to come
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up. So tell me how it was for you
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guys and kind of what came up for you after you got hired on
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and then after you went through the initial training?
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It's a fire hose. Right in the face is the only
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thing I can think of. I definitely questioned why I
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did it multiple times. I mean Even so now, but
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especially that first week. It was very intimidating and I
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know different companies do it differently, but for me we had
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like our general orientation and then our first orientation like
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at base. And then after that one week we
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have something called regional intensive, which is like you
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know you in the Midwest area, we come together and we get tested
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about things and they were like ventilator stuff like things
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like you wouldn't even like. Touch like for me and I see you
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or Ed, I'm like alright if I owe 200%, that's almost as much as I
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know about it then at this point.
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But it was Oh my gosh, I questioned like Oh my gosh, it
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like it really hit my head like you are not ready for this.
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You are not ready for this. And it it was a very emotional
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coaster. But.
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I mean it that was the first week and it kind of settled down
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a bit. And I mean just a little bit
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because it is a constant, like you have to be, you're in charge
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of your own education, you make it what you want it to be.
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I mean, I kind of got to a point where I would constantly study
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and look for new things like, oh, I don't remember learning
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this about an E KG or this about a ventilator or bypass setting,
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but I think for me, funny enough.
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I think we talked about it in our session like, you know, we
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need to just separate a time, put a timer on what you're
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studying and then stop studying. And I think because you're in
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that kind of it's that stressful phase in your body, like I need
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to constantly do this that it's hard for me to differentiate it.
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But I mean it's it's gotten better.
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I'm, I'm not saying it's like a bad thing.
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It was just very overwhelming especially that first couple
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weeks. But it is a kind of thing like
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you even like the way my schedule works is every other
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week we work but on your off week like I try to set an hour
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to learning about something because I I think one of the
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weeks I I was like, you know what I'm just going to have the
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week off, which nothing wrong with that.
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But it was harder for me to kick myself into gear like OK, like
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what did you do for that whole life though So I think it is
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really nice. Like, it's not like there's
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guidance, but no one's holding your hand.
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Like you have to be responsible for it, which is a good thing,
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because again, it is what you make of it, yeah.
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Absolutely. So for my orientation it is
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definitely does feel like a Firehouse in the face for sure.
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You know, we they take us to like a week long and dock and
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you have all this information thrown at you from lectures to
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clinicals, simulations. And I think that that can be
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pretty overwhelming pretty fast because you're there from like,
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you know wee hours in the morning till like in that late
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in the afternoon and you're just your your brain is fried at the
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end all the information that you're receiving.
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But I think you have to, like Amanda said, you have to make
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the most out of it, like on your own, like there's plenty of
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people that'll go and they'll just go to class.
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They don't take notes, they. Go to the bar at the hotel and
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you'll find them there the rest of the night.
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And, I mean, it's it. You really can't do that.
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You have to make the most of it yourself.
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You know, find the group of people that are trying to study,
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but don't overwhelm yourself because they don't expect you to
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know everything after that one week.
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And if they do, then you might not be the right company.
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I think they know that it's going to be a lot of information
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that they're giving you. Give yourself a little bit of
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grace. Take down time afterwards, you
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know, depending on, I don't know what everyone's programs would
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look like, but just give yourself a little bit of of
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grace. Find some time, like, you know,
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to watch a movie, to do whatever for yourself.
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Exercise so that you don't feel overwhelmed.
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And know that everybody else feels just as overwhelmed as you
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do. And if they don't, then they've
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probably been flying for years and this is just another job.
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And they're just there for I don't even know for what they're
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there for because I feel like everyone wants to really show
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themselves that they that they're going to the next level
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and they're they're trying to achieve something whether it's
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for themselves or their families or whatever the case may be.
23:23
But they're they wanna they've worked hard to be there too And
23:27
so they're probably just as overwhelmed as as you are
23:31
orientation process I think it was about.
23:35
I want to say about two months. For me, it just kind of depends.
23:38
They like base it off what calls you receive a number of flights.
23:42
And I think for that I was lucky in that I had the same
23:48
preceptor, which is probably how it should be for everyone.
23:52
But to have the same preceptor, they can kind of follow and know
23:55
how you've been doing. Like, you don't have to start
23:57
over with them. You don't have to reintroduce
23:58
yourself. Tell them what your background
24:00
is. They know what you're struggling
24:02
with versus having a priest, a new preceptor every time.
24:07
But you know that you have all these things that you're
24:12
supposed to be doing during orientation, and if you're not
24:15
making the most out of it, then I mean it.
24:17
It also just a reflection on what you're what you're going to
24:21
be like as a as a coworker, just because if you're just sitting
24:25
around asking for them to initiate your education.
24:29
That just that's a bad reflection on yourself.
24:31
And so I mean it's just a constant learning process from
24:34
the beginning and you know they start you off slow and that
24:37
they'll they won't necessarily throw you into the clinical
24:40
aspect of things initially because you know flight is a
24:43
whole different setting. So they'll they'll they'll
24:45
initiate that is aircraft safety.
24:48
You know, this is the radio. Don't worry about all the
24:52
buttons, we'll get there. But you know, they slowly try to
24:56
get you all the information that you need.
24:58
And. Try.
24:59
You don't give it to you in small bits and pieces, but I
25:02
mean in general, it's just challenging just because you're
25:06
in a new environment, working environment and people that you
25:09
don't know. Potentially you're far from home
25:13
and it can be just overwhelming. And so I think it's important to
25:16
just to find whoever is your support system, whether it's
25:20
your brother, your sister, your best friend, your fiance, you
25:25
know, and. And just really anchored to them
25:28
so that you know you, you feel you, you're able to propel
25:31
yourself through it because it can be overwhelming very, very
25:34
fast for sure. Yeah, this is like the part
25:38
where I try to convey to my clients.
25:41
This is the hardest part right here.
25:43
And this is really why I got into coaching and mentoring and
25:48
why. You know at the core I wanted to
25:50
start my own business in IT because this is where flight
25:53
companies lose people is right after orientation and they get
25:57
let go off of orientation and now it's like you have these
26:01
feelings of I need really I need more help like I I need support
26:08
and. I think that's why I like being
26:11
a strong mentor because I felt the exact same way right after I
26:14
got off. It was like okay.
26:16
Now what? Who's going to take me through
26:17
year one? Who's going to take me through
26:19
year two? Who's going to take me through
26:20
the next? Things that, you know, we get
26:22
calls, but sometimes we don't see the same diagnosis for six
26:25
months. So it's all those feelings and
26:28
all of those emotions. And so this is where the real
26:31
work begins and this is where I tell my clients like.
26:35
Right before they get into it, the grass isn't greener on the
26:38
other side. Once you get to your dream job,
26:40
the work begins again. So what would you guys say to
26:44
that part of it for that and also picking piggybacking off of
26:49
what Floricella said, I personally like, I know you
26:54
mentioned like some like for some people it's great to have
26:56
one preceptor who knows. For me, this is interesting
27:01
enough because we hired a. Bunch of people on our base and
27:04
we had to swap off our preceptors a bit and there was
27:07
just kind of a whole confused like who works well with who.
27:11
And my preceptor is going on vacation for a month.
27:14
So I'm gonna be with different people.
27:16
But it actually worked well because it's different
27:21
personalities and I think it's nice and I'm very like okay,
27:26
what are my goals for this week? I'm very like OCD about some of
27:29
this stuff. And my new preceptor that I was
27:33
matched with. We're pretty, we're pretty much
27:35
up there with our 80D80 level and it's kind of it was it's
27:40
good because she recognizes that and she actually had to talk
27:44
with me because she's like, you know, we don't expect you to
27:46
know everything. And sometimes it does feel like
27:48
they do want you to because when they ask you and test you
27:51
questions and you're just frying your brain.
27:53
But it's that reminder to slow it down like this is funny
27:56
enough my goal is not to work on EKG's or ventilators.
27:59
It's learning to slow it down and build my foundation.
28:03
And I think all of us who go into flight nursing, we come
28:07
from, you know, very difficult parts of nursing and we want to
28:11
hit the ground running and it's learning to slow yourself down.
28:14
So I think it's it's nice when you are matched up with someone
28:17
having that consistency. But in a way it is really nice
28:20
to see how different people do different things and just
28:23
learning that communication skill.
28:24
Like hey, like even if I'm working with you for one shift,
28:27
this is what I've worked on. This is what I think I need help
28:30
mom. But just setting expectations
28:32
and I think what Florisella said was correct with like knowing
28:36
what you're expecting from a company, like if they expect you
28:39
to do everything like on your third flight, then that's
28:41
probably not the right company for you.
28:44
So it's it's knowing yourself and how you are as a learner as
28:49
well, yeah. Jenice, I forgot the question.
28:56
Well, I was just saying that I I think you, you realize when
29:00
you're in it that the real work begins after the interview,
29:03
after the offer, that, you know, we have the thought that the
29:06
grass is going to be greener on the other side once we get to
29:09
our dream job. And it's in fact even more
29:11
difficult. It just comes with its own set
29:13
of problems. So what would you say you know
29:16
to that and and how was that? For you.
29:20
I think I said this in my last part in the last interview that
29:23
we did. But I think get you a Janessa,
29:27
if you can't, if you can't find a mentor within your base or you
29:32
know your previous job, maybe that can kind of help help you
29:36
with because a lot of it is really is just thought work
29:39
because. So again you're not going to
29:41
have all the clinical aspects down.
29:42
You're not going to have all of the operations things down.
29:45
They don't expect you to, they shouldn't.
29:48
So if you can find a mentor, I feel like that's it's so
29:50
important and it's kind of why I'm back here.
29:53
Again you know, I know we did you know or three months and
29:56
then I was like I'm good and then I'm like okay, I miss
29:59
Janessa. And so I I feel like that has
30:04
helped so much. You know, I say that in.
30:09
You have all the flight experience, you you know where
30:12
they're coming from. So I feel like having someone
30:14
that's also in this, that's been on the same boat, that sees
30:17
people like them all the time, it's encouraging because they
30:22
know that you speak from experience, that they're not
30:25
alone and and really it's so much of it is thought work, you
30:30
know and. And just having having a support
30:32
system name it if it's not if it's not huge in us.
30:35
Although your ideal candidate for it but you know like for me,
30:41
I my fiance, he he flies as well and he's he's flying he's been
30:45
flying for a year so before I came into the flight world.
30:50
I kind of have somebody to talk to about it and he understands
30:54
where I'm coming from and I think that's also been so
30:57
helpful and encouraging in that okay I'm, I don't I don't feel
31:01
alone in it and so that that helps tremendously.
31:06
Yeah. Just know that you're not alone
31:08
and it's it's not just you. You're not just a bad person or
31:11
bad clinician or something. Yeah, I do want to ask you about
31:14
that floricella, because what I do notice with a lot of.
31:18
A lot of my current clients and old ones is that once they get
31:22
hired on and then they are in this fire hose stage of
31:26
orientation and they're really, really overwhelmed.
31:28
That's when I usually lose them as a client because I think that
31:32
they got a lot going on, right. There's a lot of things, a lot
31:35
of new information and they do have some of the tools to to to
31:39
do it on their own. But what would you say, you
31:43
know, for yourself, what was it that kind of made you come back
31:46
and realize? I do.
31:48
Need a little bit support and work with my thought work.
31:53
I mean, I think, you know, that's it's great for those that
31:57
don't feel like they need to work on their thought work.
31:59
But I think a lot of people like myself that I lack.
32:03
I think I lack a lot of content, yeah.
32:10
I feel like I do like some, you know, confidence in different
32:13
aspects. So a lot of it does go back to I
32:15
need help with my thought work and although I was already off
32:19
orientation I believe a little bit after we stopped meeting I
32:25
think I just felt like. There was things missing that I
32:30
because I wasn't on orientation anymore, I didn't have that one
32:33
preceptor that was like in a way kind of holding my hand and that
32:37
I could go to all the time, you know, And he moved bases, so
32:41
it's not like he's still there present for me.
32:45
And so I think that part of that is just feeling lost again
32:50
coming off orientation and that I don't have a list of things
32:54
that I need to be doing and. I felt like I needed a little
32:58
bit of guidance and this is how I need to restructure myself in
33:03
order to continue progressing and not staying stagnant and not
33:07
just sitting around versus being just aimless with what I do or
33:13
don't do at work. Because you know a lot of often
33:16
times in the flight world you are, you can't just you have
33:20
downtime, you know, So you have to make the most of it if you
33:24
want to. Yeah, much different.
33:27
From that, yeah. So yeah, I think that's kind of
33:31
where I felt like I was just a little bit lost afterwards.
33:34
And like, well, how do I push myself to keep going now that I
33:38
don't really have, like a list that I need to literally check
33:41
off? It's just going to be on my on
33:44
my own. That.
33:45
I yeah. And I.
33:48
You know, even just talking to you guys today and both
33:50
realizing a lot of the same things that issues you guys had
33:53
crossed over and are the same for a lot of my flight nurse
33:56
clients is that we just need a support system where we can say
34:02
hey, I feel the same way like I'm going to the same thing.
34:06
And I think often times, you know, we don't get that or.
34:11
In the healthcare field, we don't want to say that we need
34:13
the help either. And so just like talking to you
34:16
guys, I'm like thinking about all of these ideas and these
34:18
things. Like I think it would be so cool
34:20
for us to bring like a group coaching call where it's all you
34:25
guys in the same kind of boat. And we talked about the same
34:28
things. And you realize, I think from
34:29
that, that we're going to the exact same emotions, we're going
34:33
to the exact same fears and the exact same problem, so.
34:38
You know, just something for me to think about.
34:39
But I just want to end with like what's been the one thing now
34:46
that you guys have gone through this experience that or the one
34:51
thing that maybe anyone told you or the advice that someone's
34:53
told you that's really helped you stay strong and where you
34:57
are right now. I think the phrase that from
35:03
what I hear from both you, my preceptors and just everyone at
35:08
base is if you weren't meant to be here, you wouldn't be here.
35:13
And I think we set very high. Like I'm not trying to speak for
35:18
everybody, but I think in general in healthcare, like all
35:22
providers, we set very, very high bars for for ourselves.
35:26
And I know I'm like, lecturing about this, but I, I go through
35:29
this and I have to remind myself this where, you know, it's okay
35:32
to not be, all right? It's okay to not know.
35:36
And I think that pops in my head because I always question like,
35:40
oh, I'm probably going to get fired.
35:41
I should probably quit. I'm not ready for this.
35:44
And it's going to pop up. And I know it's going to keep
35:46
popping up like every shift, every second.
35:49
I'll randomly be eating at home and oh, my gosh, you need to
35:51
quit. But it's remembering that, you
35:55
know, you deserve that chance to be there.
35:57
There's a reason why you've pushed so hard to be there.
36:01
And it's not going to be perfect.
36:02
Like you said, it's not. Grass is green on the other
36:04
side. Like it's it is what you make it
36:07
and you deserve to be there. Yeah, yeah, I love that.
36:13
It's hard to not just pay you back off for the medicine.
36:17
I think, yeah, everyone. Everyone is it.
36:20
That's kind of just what they say when you know they can tell
36:24
you're overwhelmed. They know that you have a lot on
36:26
your plate when you start off. And it really is.
36:30
If they don't expect you to know everything, you.
36:35
You deserve to be there. And it it really, it really is
36:39
just that. It's like give yourself a little
36:41
bit of grace, because this isn't the first time someone's gone
36:44
through this, that feeling of overwhelm.
36:47
Like just like let it, let it happen.
36:50
And then give yourself, give yourself some grace because it's
36:55
it's not new and it's it's natural.
36:57
And that means you want to be there because you care, because
37:00
you want to challenge yourself, and you want to know all the
37:02
things. And that speaks volumes on
37:05
yourself, too. Because if you weren't
37:07
overwhelmed, and I mean, maybe it's not for you, I don't know,
37:10
maybe, maybe that's the wrong thing to say.
37:12
But it's so natural, it's so normal to feel overwhelmed and
37:16
just allow yourself to feel it and then just give yourself
37:18
praise because you do deserve to be there.
37:21
Yeah, and I thought. Of one last thing I want to ask
37:25
you guys is what would you say to someone who was in your
37:27
previous position that is thinking about?
37:30
Applying but feels like they don't have enough experience.
37:33
Just do it do. It.
37:38
I love it. I love it, which is so true.
37:40
Like, just go for it. You have nothing to lose.
37:44
Yeah, even if you don't feel ready, you get the job.
37:47
You don't feel ready? Then say Nope, not the time for
37:49
me. Yeah, We have like these very
37:51
thoughts. Like you said in healthcare, we
37:53
hold high standards and we feel like things are very linear for
37:56
us. You go to nursing school, you
37:57
work ICU or ER and you get you know, but like sometimes it's
38:00
just not like that. Sometimes we got to take two
38:02
steps back and try to go forward again and just keep going for it
38:05
until we get it. Yes, definitely it is like.
38:11
Yes, it is so surreal to like have both of you guys on.
38:15
I am just like so proud. Of the both of you, because I
38:19
know where both of you started and to see you progress and be
38:23
where you are right now and to be a part of this industry, you
38:26
are the people that this industry needs like with your
38:30
guidance too. No.
38:33
And I always say, you know, you guys did the.
38:34
Work I just. Held the belief for you until
38:37
you got it, so I really appreciate you being on today.
38:39
I really think it's going to mean a ton to someone out there
38:43
who's teetering back and forth about whether I should do it or
38:46
whether I shouldn't. Is there anything that I didn't
38:49
ask you guys that you would like to leave at the end of this kind
38:54
of conversation that you'd like to say or anything that we left
38:57
out? Don't, don't stay stagnant just
39:01
because you don't feel like you're good enough.
39:03
And I say stagnant. I mean, just push yourself to do
39:07
whatever. Whatever you're trying to go
39:09
for, whether it's, whether it's fly or whether it's go to DMV
39:12
school, whether it's. Go to Med school.
39:16
I mean, it doesn't matter. Whatever it is that you're
39:17
trying to do. I mean, just don't hold yourself
39:20
back because it's just in your head.
39:23
Like, I mean, I know a lot goes into into doing new things.
39:27
You know, maybe movie, maybe money, you know all these other
39:30
things. But don't let it be in your head
39:33
to hold yourself back. Try it, you know, with fly I
39:37
feel like. Even if even if you don't get
39:40
it. I think that's something I I did
39:43
really tried really hard was to just, although I knew I would
39:46
have been sad if I didn't get the job.
39:47
But even if I hadn't I think it would have been such a big
39:52
learning experience. Because those interviews aren't
39:55
just any other interviews. I mean, they're big interviews.
39:57
They have no tests. Go with it and you know these
40:01
big panel interviews and click. Clinical tests that they put you
40:07
through, it's, it's a challenge in itself.
40:09
And I mean if you can get through that and even if you
40:11
don't, if you don't get it right away, it's still such a learning
40:14
experience and you can just work on it and do it again and you'll
40:18
have that. So I think just yeah, that's
40:21
that's all I had to say. I love that I.
40:25
Think if you're doubting yourself, you're probably in the
40:27
right place. Yeah, yeah, I love that.
40:32
I like my. New thought for myself is if I'm
40:35
scared that I'm doing it right. Yes.
40:38
And I've. Been scared for the last two
40:40
months, so yeah, that's where I'm supposed to be.
40:43
Well, thank you guys for being on.
40:45
I think there's a lot of valuable things that were said
40:47
and I know that you know one person is there right now and is
40:50
feeling those things. So I know it'll be really
40:52
helpful for them to hear it from you and you know your
40:56
experience. So thank you again for being on.
40:58
I know you guys have busy schedules, so I really
41:01
appreciate it. Thanks for that so much.
41:04
All right. Bye.
41:10
It was so great to be able to interview both of them so that
41:12
they could realize that the thoughts and.
41:15
The doubts that they were having were very similar, that they
41:18
were not alone. And I think that that is one
41:20
thing that I have learned being in this industry is that you
41:24
think that what's happening to you, no one else is feeling.
41:27
But that's just so not true that the majority of the people or
41:30
someone has felt exactly the way that you feel.
41:33
And so having the support and knowledge in that I think is
41:36
huge and realizing that we all go through these doubts and we
41:39
all have confidence issues. But if you're ready to level up
41:42
and you feel like your own thoughts are holding you back,
41:46
book a consult with me and we can talk about how thought work
41:49
and coaching and mentoring can get you to where you want to be.
41:52
And if you're thinking the same things that they were thinking,
41:55
that they don't have enough experience, but they like to
41:57
learn more, book a consult with me as well, and we can talk
42:02
about how you might already be ready for the job and for the
42:05
position, whether it's in flight or whether it's the next step
42:09
that you're wanting to take. So I hope you guys enjoyed this
42:12
episode this week and I will talk with all of you guys next
42:15
week. Bye.