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10-6: Kenneth Walker conversation, Greg Woods and Jori Epstein · The Gregg Bell Show

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  Speaker 5: It's been beautiful, especially because we haven't got those torrential pours.
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  Speaker 2: it appears.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think the Kraken just made them look that way, Greg.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that could be. The Matty Beneers gal is saying, no,
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  Speaker 2: wait a minute.
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  Speaker 5: I think that the Kraken are off to a great start.
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  Speaker 2: That would be nice to sustain that tonight against the
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  Speaker 2: Vegas Golden Knights. They play tonight, and then I think
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  Speaker 2: after tonight, yeah, five games on the road back east
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  Speaker 2: for the Kraken after tonight's home game against... Vegas, on
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  Speaker 2: the show today, what the Seahawks are doing to reinforce
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  Speaker 2: the running back position. They're going older and they're going young.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Mixon is a mysterious case to people down in Houston.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that. Kenneth Walker, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to ask you right off the top of the Tacoma
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  Speaker 2: Dodge text line, 49451. Do you feel that the Seahawks
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  Speaker 2: have made a mistake in letting Kenneth Walker go for
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  Speaker 2: bigger money than they were willing to pay, than Kansas
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  Speaker 2: City Chiefs paid him after being the Super Bowl MVP?
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  Speaker 2: We know about the job share with Zach Charbonnet last
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  Speaker 2: year that ticked off Walker. I talked to Walker during
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  Speaker 2: the season. I talked to him again at the Super
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  Speaker 2: Bowl in February, and he was ready to go. Let's
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  Speaker 2: put it that way. So the chances are, even if
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  Speaker 2: the Seahawks had put forth an effort to keep him,
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't going. He was not happy that in the
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  Speaker 2: contract year he was in a job share. The Seahawks
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  Speaker 2: did it to get him through 17 games. They weren't
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  Speaker 2: quite sure he would hold up physically. He had missed
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  Speaker 2: games in each of his seasons to that point. We'll
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  Speaker 2: see if he can keep up that pace with the Chiefs,
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  Speaker 2: who are using him 70-80% of the time and giving
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  Speaker 2: him 25 touches a game.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember my dad telling me, watching the Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 5: that the way that they were using him was unsustainable. And,
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  Speaker 5: you know, this is Coach Mack, you know, plethora of experience,
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  Speaker 5: almost 50 years worth of coaching under his belt, and... Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: he said that that was unsustainable. And I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 5: that wasn't the point. They were trying to win the
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  Speaker 5: Super Bowl and Zach Charbonnet was hurt. And I thought
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  Speaker 5: if they move forward with him, that wouldn't be the plan.
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  Speaker 5: But I don't think it's sustainable with whatever team you're on.
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  Speaker 5: And that includes the Kansas City Chiefs.
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  Speaker 2: Andy Reid does not agree with Coach Mack or his daughter.
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  Speaker 2: He has 25 touches a game, another 70-plus percent of
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  Speaker 2: the snaps against the Raiders on Sunday, and the Chiefs
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  Speaker 2: are 4-0. At 11 o'clock, we're going to talk to
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  Speaker 2: Jory Epstein, the senior NFL reporter for Yahoo Sports, who
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  Speaker 2: talked to Kenneth Walker this morning. She interviewed him, and
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  Speaker 2: we're going to talk to her about what she learned
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  Speaker 2: from him, and we're also going to talk about whether
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  Speaker 2: she thinks the Seahawks made a mistake in not paying.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty chic right now to draw that line. Not
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  Speaker 2: too hard to say, wait a minute, you had a
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  Speaker 2: Super Bowl MVP running back, and now you're signing Joe
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  Speaker 2: Mixon and Robert Henry Jr. What? Yeah, that's where they
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  Speaker 2: are at running back right now. And who knows what
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  Speaker 2: Robert Henry Jr.
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  Speaker 7: Is.
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  Speaker 2: He was a 6.9 yards per carry guy at Texas
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  Speaker 2: San Antonio last year. But he also fumbled and had
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  Speaker 2: those problems, and that's part of the reason he didn't
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  Speaker 2: get drafted. The other reason, one of the reasons, is
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  Speaker 2: he's 5'9 and 196 pounds. So he's more of a
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  Speaker 2: fast back. They've got an Emmanuel Wilson plotting back. They've
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  Speaker 2: got George Helani for blocking on third down. We've talked
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  Speaker 2: about how he's missed some blocking assignments already early this
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  Speaker 2: season that have ruined plays and gotten Sam Darnold in trouble.
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  Speaker 2: And then they have Velas Jones Jr. up from the
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  Speaker 2: practice squad, and that is it. That is what the
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks have currently at running back after letting Kenneth Walker walk. 49-451,
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  Speaker 2: do you feel the Seahawks made a mistake? We're not
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  Speaker 2: ready to write off Jadarian Price, nor am I trying to.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, at the moment where we sit, I
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  Speaker 2: think Chuck Powell and Anderson Hurst were talking about that
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  Speaker 2: about a half hour ago as well. But it's certainly
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  Speaker 2: easy to draw that line right now. But we'll talk
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  Speaker 2: to Jory at 11 o'clock about what she heard and
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  Speaker 2: knew from Kenneth Walker. Are we worried about Sam Darnold?
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  Speaker 2: He's thrown three interceptions in the last two games, and
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  Speaker 2: two of them have been just plain awful. The one
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  Speaker 2: in Washington that sealed the Commander's win, that made it
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  Speaker 2: a two-score game late in the fourth quarter, he just
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  Speaker 2: laid over the middle with a linebacker that he said
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  Speaker 2: he saw, yet he tried to throw it to A.J.
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  Speaker 2: Barner anyway, and the linebacker picked it off and ran
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  Speaker 2: it back for a pick six, a play that should
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  Speaker 2: not happen in the NFL. And then the one... It
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  Speaker 2: wasn't worse because of the result in the game, but
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  Speaker 2: the one against the Chargers, you would be mad at
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  Speaker 2: a high school... a junior high quarterback for throwing that
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  Speaker 2: pass because he did it blindly. The very first play
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  Speaker 2: of the game... Sam Darnold said he didn't know that
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  Speaker 2: the linebacker was out on the check down in the flat,
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  Speaker 2: which means he never even looked because he was standing
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  Speaker 2: right next to Emmanuel Wilson. And I know most times
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  Speaker 2: a check down in the flat, and especially the first
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  Speaker 2: play of the game, you don't expect tight coverage out there.
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  Speaker 2: You're expecting Wilson to be standing out there alone in
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  Speaker 2: the flat, and you just dump it down to him.
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  Speaker 2: And Darnold looked down the field and just turned and
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  Speaker 2: chucked it into the left flat right to the linebacker.
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  Speaker 2: Are we concerned with Sam Darnold? That's another question for
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  Speaker 2: the Tacoma Dodge Text Line 49451. We'll hear from the
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks quarterback during the show. And then Washington State Athletics,
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  Speaker 2: near and dear to Jessamyn McIntyre, the Cougar sideline reporter
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  Speaker 2: for Cougar Football Radio Broadcast. They're going down a slippery
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  Speaker 2: journalism slope on a campus that's home to the esteemed
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  Speaker 2: Edwin R. Morrow Journalism School.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that. We're going to try
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  Speaker 2: to get a hold of Greg Woods.
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  Speaker 3: He will join us at 1045.
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  Speaker 2: Great. I'm glad to hear that because a journalist is
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about what the journalism school, the renowned
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: journalism school of Washington State is doing in its athletic department.
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  Speaker 2: It ain't good. We'll talk about that. Artificial intelligence is
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  Speaker 2: here to stay and now it's invading the people that
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  Speaker 2: used to write for a living. I'm one of them, McClatchy. McClatchy,
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  Speaker 2: the stones at the News Tribune, also investing heavily in AI.
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  Speaker 2: We see where this is headed, but we'll talk at
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  Speaker 2: 1045 with Greg Woods of the Spokesman Review about Washington
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  Speaker 2: State Athletics bringing AI into writing its stories, game stories, features, profiles, bios,
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  Speaker 2: everything people used to do. 11.30, we'll read back your text,
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  Speaker 3: You know I love your voices.
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  Speaker 2: And Ms. Maddie Beneers is going to have their pick
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  Speaker 2: at 1135 of Factor Fiction today.
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  Speaker 5: Now, he only says that because I'm wearing his jersey.
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  Speaker 5: So let's not get that sorted.
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  Speaker 2: I know, Mike. I've gone out to dinner with Mike,
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  Speaker 2: her husband. I'm not trying to. Maddie's still, what, 20
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  Speaker 2: years old? He doesn't have to worry about it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And also, I don't know if he has a partner either.
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  Speaker 3: So that's not what it is.
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  Speaker 2: No, not at all. She's only the cougar in a
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for.
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  Speaker 4: That, Craig.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, least I could do.
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  Speaker 3: There's the clarification.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, least I could do. So let's talk a bit
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  Speaker 2: about Kenneth Walker before we talk to Jory at 11
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  Speaker 2: o'clock about him. I mentioned the snap counts. He got 75%
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  Speaker 2: of the snaps for the Chiefs in Las Vegas. He
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  Speaker 2: had 22 carries for another 100-yard game. They only threw
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  Speaker 2: it to him once this time. They've thrown it to
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  Speaker 2: him a half dozen times already in a couple games.
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  Speaker 2: But they are using him, and Andy Reid is using him,
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  Speaker 2: far more than the Seahawks did. Remember last year, the
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  Speaker 2: job share? And Zach Charbonnet ended up with 12 rushing
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  Speaker 2: touchdowns last year because often, and I talked to Kenneth
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  Speaker 2: Walker about this too, often he would get the ball
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  Speaker 2: down the field between the 20s, and then it got
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  Speaker 2: in the red zone, and he would disappear forever. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: wait a minute.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I get it.
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  Speaker 5: I get that kind of frustration, but that was for
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  Speaker 5: preservation purposes.
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  Speaker 2: Correct. But in a contract year, yeah, you make your
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  Speaker 2: money on touchdowns and big plays, and you don't make
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  Speaker 2: a lot of your money going between the 20s when
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  Speaker 2: you're trying to get a new contract. And he felt that.
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  Speaker 2: And I asked him at the Super Bowl last year,
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  Speaker 2: three days before the Super Bowl in San Jose. We
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  Speaker 2: were sitting at a table. He's a quiet guy, so
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  Speaker 2: not a lot of media were coming up to him.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's pretty reserved. I talked to him in the
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  Speaker 5: locker room after the game, too, and yes, very reserved.
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  Speaker 2: And I walked up to him, and I said, hey,
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  Speaker 2: how's this job share thing going for you this year?
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  Speaker 2: And he just looked at me with kind of a
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  Speaker 2: wry grin on his face, and he said, how would
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  Speaker 2: you feel?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I didn't really need.
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  Speaker 7: To say it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but for someone who doesn't speak a lot, that
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  Speaker 3: speaks volumes.
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  Speaker 2: That was the lead to my story at the News
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  Speaker 2: Tribune that day because I had already known that he
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  Speaker 2: was not exactly thrilled with the whole setup last season.
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  Speaker 2: As early as September and October, I pretty much thought
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  Speaker 2: he was going to leave because of how it was
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  Speaker 2: going down. But that cemented it for me. And then
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  Speaker 2: he wins the Super Bowl MVP of the 150-yard game
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  Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl. Again, I voted for Devin Witherspoon.
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  Speaker 2: I had one of the 50-some votes in the league
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  Speaker 2: for that game. And I voted for Devin Witherspoon and
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  Speaker 2: the Seahawks defense. But Kevin Walker wins the Super Bowl MVP,
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  Speaker 2: and then his market value just skyrockets. It skyrocketed from
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  Speaker 2: the beginning of the playoffs when Charbonnet got hurt.
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  Speaker 3: Because he was the guy, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: And the playoff game against San Francisco is when Charbonnet
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  Speaker 2: got hurt early in the first half of that game.
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  Speaker 2: And from that point on, the rest of the NFC
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  Speaker 2: Divisional Playoff, the NFC Championship game against the Rams, and
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  Speaker 2: then the Super Bowl, the games that the entire league
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  Speaker 2: and every GM is watching— Right. Walker's shot through the roof.
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  Speaker 5: Well, and that is sustainable at that point of the season.
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  Speaker 2: Correct. And a small, small sample.
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  Speaker 8: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And so it was a perfect storm of him getting
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  Speaker 2: hot at the right time, Charbonnet getting hurt, and Walker
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  Speaker 2: having the stage to himself, taking full advantage of it,
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  Speaker 2: and the Chiefs paid him. $ 14 million, I think it was,
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  Speaker 2: a year for three years. And the Seahawks said, no,
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  Speaker 2: thank you. Now, I hear a lot of people, I
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  Speaker 2: mentioned this last week, I hear a lot of people saying, well,
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  Speaker 2: They paid Rashid Shahid $ 17 million, and of course they
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  Speaker 2: haven't had the return on investment so far this season,
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  Speaker 2: certainly not as a patch catcher or a returner, and
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: now they're lining him up as tailback. If they paid
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: $ 17 million to Rashid Shahid, why didn't they not pay $ 13,
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: $ 14 million to Kenneth Walker? Well, it's a value proposition,
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: the position. The Seahawks and John Schneider don't think they
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: should spend that kind of money at the most attrited,
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: most injured position with the shortest shelf life in the sport.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: There's a Todd Gurley chill around much of football. What
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: does that mean? Remember the Rams gave Todd Gurley after
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: a gigantic season, the one, I think it was the
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: 2021 season. It might've been before that. Gave him $ 60
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: million guaranteed. And he played like four games of that
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: contract before he blew his knee out and was done.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: And it was his second knee. He had a knee
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: in Georgia and college. And Gurley basically never played again.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: He signed with Atlanta, but he, on and off for
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: the next couple of years. And that was it. Todd
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: Gurley was out of the league and done with 60
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: million guaranteed that the Rams got nothing back on. And
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: ever since that contract, there's been a chill. And as
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: John Schneider got to see it up close and personal
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: in the NFC West, there's been a chill over signing
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: guaranteed money for longer term than a year or two
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: to running backs beyond their first contracts. And the Seahawks
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: have been doing draft a quarterback, Excuse me, draft a
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: running back, play him for four years on a minimum salary,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: relatively low rookie contract, and then move on to the next. Now,
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Chris Carson, you could argue, was on his way to
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: a second contract, and then he has a neck injury,
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: proving the point of investing in running backs. Ended his career.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker, you use him for four years. Use him
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: is a really cold term, but that is the business
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: side of the league. You use him for four years,
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: and before he gets to be mammoth $ 13, $ 14 million
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: a year, you let him walk, and you draft his replacement,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Jadarian Price. Now, that debut has not gone exactly swimmingly,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: has it?
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: No.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: But he's young, and he has a lot of game
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: to play.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: What do you think of Price? I like him.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: I like him.
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: I think that the fact that he was behind Love
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: in college allowed him to be more fresh when he
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: came here. I do appreciate the fact that Mike McDonald,
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: or maybe it was Fleury, who made the decision to
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: bench him after a fumble and sit there and watch.
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: I like him, and I think he's got all the
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: potential in the world, but he needs to learn that
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: gaining that extra two yards is less important than carrying
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: the football, protecting the football.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Which is exactly what he told me his mindset would
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: be going forward after the Washington game. Now, since then...
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: John Schneider, the general manager, said on his pregame show
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Sunday on the Seahawks radio network that Price played hurt
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: in that game against Washington. He didn't say, I'm not
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: using it as an excuse, but he did play hurt.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: And we know that now, yeah. He was in a
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: red no-contact jersey the entire week before the game. He
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: guts through the game, according to Schneider, fumbles. The entire
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Seahawks fandom gets on him about that. They bench him
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: during the game, and that was a Mike McDonald decision
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: for sure. And then he re-injures the ribs. It's an
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: upper rib injury, according to the GM, because Price fell
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: on it in practice on Wednesday. And that's why he's
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: on the injured reserve list. Went on Saturday. Schneider said
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: it is not a season-ending thing, they said. Chuck asked
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: me this morning, well, why did he jump straight to that? Well,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: it's either a minimum of four weeks or you could
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: be on for the rest of the season. And the
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: GM wanted to dispel the fact that, no, they don't
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: think it's going to be long-term. So he can't come back,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Price can't, until November 2nd at the earliest, a game
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: against Chicago, a Monday night game here in Seattle. That's
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: why they signed Joe Mixon in the meantime. So Joe
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Mixon hasn't been on the field since the end of
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: the 2024 season. He's not going to be ready to
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: play this week, I can't imagine. He had a foot
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: injury that John McClain, the longtime writer for the Houston
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Chronicle beat writer, said that everyone in Houston was mysterious.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: They had no idea. He wouldn't talk about it. The
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: team wouldn't talk about it. Mixon reportedly told his Bengals teammates,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: his old Bengals teammates, where he played his first seven years,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: that he would never play again, that the foot injury
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: was so bad. And here he is, proven yesterday in
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: a tryout that he's healthy enough to go on to
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks practice squad. They signed him. They signed Robert
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Henry Jr. And a lot of Seahawks fans are left
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: to say, why didn't you re-sign Kenneth Walker? 49451 about
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks running back situation. We'll read back those texts later.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: at 1130. Up next, more on these running backs. Who
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: is Robert Henry Jr.? How's he going to fit in
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: and why he's going to play first, it seems, instead
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: of Joe Mixon. That's coming up. Greg Woods from the
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Spokesman Review to talk about Washington State Athletics going down
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: a slippery slope at 1045. Jory Epstein, a senior writer
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: for Yahoo Sports and the NFL, is going to talk
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: to us about Kenneth Walker. She talked to Walker this morning.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: 1135 Factor Fiction, your chance to win $ 1, 000. All that
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: coming up on a packed show on a Tuesday on
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: 93.3 KJRFM. Welcome back. I'm Greg Bell and Jessamyn McIntyre
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: with you on 93.3 KJRFM. We're actually joined in the studio.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Anna just dropped in. I just met her from the
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: University of Washington, recent graduate.
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: She's in the football program in the marketing department.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Welcome to the team.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: You can slide on headphones and join a part of
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: the show if you want. They're somewhere around here. We're
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: going to talk at 11 o'clock. She's like, nope. Her
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: face is beetroot.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: She's a wonderful addition to our staff.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: She's like, nope. Yes.
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: Nope.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Come on, we'll get you to do that sometime. I
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: don't care. We're going to talk at 11 o'clock to
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Jory Epstein, the senior NFL writer for Yahoo Sports, who
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: spoke this morning to Kenneth Walker. I already put on
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: the text line the first question I posed to the
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Tacoma Dodge text line 49451. Did the Seahawks make a
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: mistake in letting Kenneth Walker go? It sure seems like it,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: doesn't it? But we've already explained the reasons why. That
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean it's the right thing.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: You can't predict those reasons, though.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: True.
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: True.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: And again, the injury at that position, the injury history
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: of Kenneth Walker and the injury history at that position
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: dictated that their finances don't go the way that the
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Chiefs went. Andy Reid uses running backs a lot differently.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, in the past game, he doesn't just send
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: them out on checkdowns like Emmanuel Wilson was standing when
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Sam Darnold threw that interception in the first place Sunday.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: He sends them on actual pass routes. I mean, they
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: have route trees for their running backs in Kansas City.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: And They are also using him so far, Kenneth Walker,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: at a clip that the Seahawks were not using Walker. 75%
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: of the snaps on average. 75% again in Las Vegas
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: last week for the Chiefs. It's working. The Chiefs are 4-0,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: and Walker is rolling. He had 22 carries for another
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: 100-plus yard game. It sure makes you wonder when you're
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: starting to break down Robert Henry Jr. and Joe Mixon,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: who hasn't been in the league since the 2024 season.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: wait a minute, why are we spending time on these
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: two cats when we had the Super Bowl MVP in Seattle?
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: But, however, I mean, you can't predict anything. Would Kenneth
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: Walker still be healthy if he was still here? Would
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: something have happened during training camp? I mean, this is
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: almost like when someone makes a field goal in a game,
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: or misses one, I should say, and then you go, well...
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: If we just had those three points. No, because the
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: whole game changes at that point. You get a kickoff
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: after a made field goal. The team doesn't take your
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: opponent doesn't take over at that. And everybody changes what
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: they actually think about what could.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: Happen in this game. And no, it's not just those
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: three points.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: And that's what I mean about Kenneth Walker. You know,
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: getting in there and being able to do what he's
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: doing with the Chiefs, it could be completely different with
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: the Seahawks.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: And he could have gotten injured.
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: You know, there's just a million different possibilities when it
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: comes to what football players do. And it's, you know,
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: grass is greener, that kind of situation. And sure, maybe
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: they did make a mistake, but I think that they
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: did pretty well in shoring up what they have.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: It's a philosophy, and they decided that they're not going
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: to spend big, big, big bucks in multi-year contracts beyond
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: a first rookie deal on running backs. And this is
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: an organizational philosophy. They drafted his replacement rather than spending
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: the money on re-signing or even signing another one. Now,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Joe Mixon will be a minimum salary deal. He's going
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: on to the practice squad. Mike McDonald confirmed that yesterday.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: The Seahawks have yet to officially announce that, nor have
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: they officially announced. We're expecting either today or tomorrow before practice,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: they will announce that Robert Henry Jr. is signing to
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: the 53-man roster. Who's he? He's an undrafted rookie running
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: back from Texas, San Antonio. Started his college career at
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: junior college. He ran for 6.9 yards per carry last year.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: So why wasn't he drafted? Well, he had a fumbling problem.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: He's also 5'9 and less than 200 pounds. So he
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: is much different than Emmanuel Wilson, who is more of
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: a plodding power guy. run you over back.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: And proved it this weekend.
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: He did.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: 21 carries for 81 yards. So how is the depth
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: chart setting up now? Well, it would seem that Henry
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: from the Commander's practice squad is going to play soonest,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: as in Sunday, against the 49ers because he's going onto
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: their active roster. When you sign someone off another practice squad,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: he has to go onto the active roster. That's part
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: of the rules. So poaching that guy means that Henry
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: is playing, or at least going to be suited to
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: play as a backup. Fellas Jones Jr. was signed to
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: the active roster when the Seahawks put Jadarian Price on
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: injured reserve Saturday. The top two remain, for now, Emmanuel Wilson,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: 500-yard back with Green Bay last year, signed to a
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: one-year minimum salary contract this offseason. Missed most of training
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: camp with a hamstring injury. The Seahawks entered the season
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: thinking he, Wilson, was going to be their short yardage back,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: and they liked how physically he ran compared to Price
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: being more of a slasher speed guy. And then number
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: two is George Helani. Now, Helani has been a third
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: down back mainly because his pass blocking. He's also a
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: pass catcher from Boise State a few years ago. He
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: made the team on special teams and on pass blocking. Well,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: he's missed a couple glaring misses on pass blocks over
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: the first three games. He did another one on an
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: A-gap pressure that got to Sam Darnold on Sunday. So
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: the point is the cupboard ain't exactly full. And I
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: can't imagine Mixon is going to be playing anytime soon.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: You're going to do the ramp up much like Trevon Diggs.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: And it's the trend now in signing veteran players, especially
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: ones who haven't been on a field for months, that
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: you sign them to the practice squad so that you
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: have them before some other team scoops them up. And
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: then you get them ramped up into football shape. Mixon
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: has not been on a field since the end of
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: the 2024 season, January 25, when he played in a
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: playoff game for Houston. He ran for 1,000 yards that
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: one year with the Texans. In his seven years with
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals who drafted him, he ran for 1,000
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: yards four times. He's also had off-the-field problems. In college,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: he was in a domestic violence incident for allegedly punching
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: a woman. It was a settlement. And there was an
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: alleged gun-waving incident and a road rage in Cincinnati with
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: another woman. So he's not exactly had a clean slate.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: And it's not exactly what we're used to the Seahawks doing.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Well, yes and no. They signed Terry on Arnold, who's
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: in big trouble. They drafted Frank Clark, who they said
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: they would never draft someone who had a domestic violence history.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: And Frank Clark, of course, was kicked off the Michigan
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: team for domestic violence, or alleged and charged and settled.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: So Joe Mixon remains a mystery in Houston because all
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: last year, he didn't play a down. He had a
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: foot injury in the preseason that no one talked about.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: John McClain of A longtime writer with the Houston Chronicle,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame voter, I mean, you can call him
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Venerable John McClain, wrote this morning on Twitter or yesterday
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: when the Seahawks signed Joe Mixon. Joe Mixon is out
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: of the Witness Protection Program, with an exclamation point. In
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: all my decades of covering the NFL, it's about a
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: half a century now. I've never seen a stranger injury case.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Texans refused to talk about it. Mixon was never available.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: I've never seen a team or a player go to
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: such lengths to refuse to disclose an injury. That was
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Mixon because the Texans thought they had a thousand yard
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: back coming back to them at age 29 last year.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: And he had a foot injury and he never played. Now, reportedly,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: there are reports out of Cincinnati that Mixon told his
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: former Bengals teammates that the injury was so bad he
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: would never play again. Well, now he is 30 years old,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: and he tried out yesterday for the Seahawks because of
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: their situation at running back a few days after they
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: put Jadarian Price on injured reserve. And then yesterday afternoon
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: at the press conference, the day after press conference, Mike
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: McDonald confirmed that not only the Seahawks were signing him,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: but he would go on to the practice squad, and
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: he called it a process. So we'll see what the
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: ramp-up is for Mixon. But in the meantime, I think
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: you're going to see Robert Henry Jr., as the newest
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: addition to the backfield. But it would seem Emmanuel Wilson
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: will still be the number one after his 81-yard rushing game,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: which brings us back to the Tacoma Dodge text question
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: I started with the show with. Here we are talking
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: about Joe Mixon and Robert Henry Jr., and I'm detailing
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: who these guys are and where Joe Mixon has been,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: and he's been in a witness protection program when they
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: could have had Kenneth Walker, or could they? I don't
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: think it's as cut and dried as you may think.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I don't think Walker was coming back. no matter what
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: money they put.
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: Well, that quote that you stated earlier that he said,
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: how would you feel?
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: He did not want to split reps.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you missed it earlier, I asked Walker at
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl in San Jose a couple days before
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: the game, and he just sat down, he and I
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: at a table. I talked to him at length, and
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: I only quoted him as saying, I asked him, how
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: have you gone with this job share this year with
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Charbonnet in a contract year? And he said, how would
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: you feel? And I said, okay, you told me everything
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I need to know. And I wrote a story saying,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I think, he's gone. And sure enough, a couple months later,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: a month later, he was gone in free agency to
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Kansas City. So it's not as though the Seahawks could
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: have just backed the Brinks truck up and got Kenneth
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Walker to stay. He was of the mindset to go.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: The Chiefs were of the mindset to pay him more.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: And then he wins a Super Bowl MVP and his
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: market value goes through the roof. So are we worried
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: about running back? The other question I had on the
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Tacoma Dodge Texas, are you worried about Sam Darnold? He's
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: thrown three interceptions in two games, and two of them
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: have been just terrible. Not what you'd expect a Super
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Bowl winning quarterback to throw. The one in the flat
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: play one of the Chargers game that he just threw
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: to the linebacker because he didn't see him there, and
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: the one in Washington, where he did see the linebacker,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: but he still threw late over the middle thinking he
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: could get it past the linebacker to Barner. Linebacker picks
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: it off and runs it in for the clinching touchdown.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Seahawks lose for the first time in 10 months. This
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: was Sam Darnold after the Chargers game in which he
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: threw for, what was it, 200, barely 200 yards with
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: an interception and a couple touchdown passes.
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah, obviously, you know, it's a good win against a
• 30:19
  Speaker 8: really good team. I think there's, you know, a lot
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: of things that we could do better offensively. So, yeah,
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: we just got to look at the tape. We got
• 30:26
  Speaker 8: to look at ourselves in the mirror and see how
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: we can get better from it.
• 30:29
  Speaker 9: The way that game began with their interception and then yours,
• 30:32
  Speaker 9: it's kind of a crazy thing.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I guess what happened on that play for you?
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, did a good job of getting out there,
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: and I just– Told myself I was just going to
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: get it to the check down if it wasn't there,
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: if I felt like I couldn't really progress to the
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: other side, and just tried to get it down. Right
• 30:52
  Speaker 8: after I threw it, that's when I saw Tuohy kind
• 30:55
  Speaker 8: of sitting there. Again, he did a great job of
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: matching the back and covering it. What's it like seeing
• 31:00
  Speaker 8: a player like Oshichi go back there and then get
• 31:03
  Speaker 8: to the other.
• 31:03
  Speaker 10: Line and run it back and score a win?
• 31:08
  Speaker 8: He wears a lot of hats for our offense. He
• 31:10
  Speaker 8: obviously does great in special teams as well. It's awesome
• 31:13
  Speaker 8: to be able to see him do his thing. Obviously
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: running the football in some regards and obviously catching the
• 31:20
  Speaker 8: rock as well.
• 31:21
  Speaker 9: Is that why Emmanuel stepped up taking.
• 31:23
  Speaker 8: That lead role? I thought he did a great job.
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: Ran really hard. I feel like our offensive line really,
• 31:31
  Speaker 8: you know, throughout the game they just kept pushing and
• 31:34
  Speaker 8: they just kept going. And I feel like that was
• 31:36
  Speaker 8: kind of the theme of the game was like, all right,
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: we're just going to continue to run the rock, play
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: action pass, maybe drop back. But I feel like our
• 31:43
  Speaker 8: offensive line did such a good job of just keeping
• 31:45
  Speaker 8: their heads down, which they do every game. But they
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: just kept their head down and they kept going throughout
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: the game.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Speaking of keep on going, when you slid and you
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: got that hit, it looked like you took a moment
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: and then you gathered yourself and you went right back in.
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I mean, don't know, yeah, I don't know
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: if there was a question there, but yeah, it was
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: just a moment where I just felt like I slid,
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: and again, sometimes when you see the guy coming, you
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: can brace, and it doesn't necessarily hurt as bad, but
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: for whatever reason, I couldn't see him. Obviously, he was
• 32:21
  Speaker 8: behind me, and so when I slid, I thought the
• 32:24
  Speaker 8: play was over, obviously, and it felt like all of
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: his body weight was on my head and neck, and
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: so I guess that was more so the reason why
• 32:34
  Speaker 8: it was painful, but when I realized I could move
• 32:37
  Speaker 8: my neck around and throw, I was good. Yeah, I'll
• 32:40
  Speaker 8: be all right.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: I'll be good.
• 32:42
  Speaker 9: You've seen so many times over the last couple of
• 32:44
  Speaker 9: years where you guys will lose a starter and.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Someone will come in and replace it. They may have
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: no reason to do that today. Why do you feel
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: like you guys are able to do that?
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I feel like that's just kind of how we are. Um,
• 32:55
  Speaker 8: we're a very resilient group. Uh, it's, and again, that's
• 32:59
  Speaker 8: top to bottom, like our entire team. If we saw
• 33:02
  Speaker 8: it with, with Leo as well, like Leo went down
• 33:04
  Speaker 8: for a little bit and, um, you know, whoever it was,
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: was able to go out there and play, play good football. So, um,
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: it's always kind of that next man up mentality. It's
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: a cliche, but, um, that's, that's how we live. Um,
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: those are the words that we live by. Um, you know, it's,
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: Everybody has a chance to go out there and play
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: when they're suited up on Sunday, and you just never
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: know when your number's going to be called. And, again,
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: Emmanuel did a great job of just stepping in and
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: doing his job today.
• 33:28
  Speaker 9: The touchdown to Torrey looked like that was almost perfectly
• 33:31
  Speaker 9: designed and everything. I guess what, I mean, obviously that's
• 33:34
  Speaker 9: just going to Torrey there. Is there something else, somewhere
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: else they could go with?
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's just, it's like a run tag. So, you know,
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: if it's there, I can take it.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: For veterans in the locker room, how do you fix penalties?
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: We said I'd just talk about it.
• 33:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's a– first of all, I think
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: you just got to continue to play football, right? It's
• 33:54
  Speaker 8: one of those things, like, you don't want penalties. There
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: were a lot of penalties called on both sides today,
• 33:58
  Speaker 8: but you obviously don't want penalties. But, you know, as
• 34:02
  Speaker 8: we continue to play these games and, you know, continue
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: to get this season going, I feel like our guys
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: on both sides of the ball, special teams too, like,
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: we'll continue to get better with, you know, technique and not–
• 34:19
  Speaker 8: you know, using our hands and our feet the right way,
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: the way that we're supposed to. When a crew is,
• 34:23
  Speaker 8: I don't want to say flag happy, but when a
• 34:25
  Speaker 8: crew is throwing that many flags, is that penalty, is
• 34:28
  Speaker 8: that something that can impact.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: As a game goes on, the way that you guys
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: maybe adjust your game plan a little bit?
• 34:35
  Speaker 8: I mean, it just affects the down and distance. That's
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: really the only thing. And for us, especially for me
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: as a quarterback, like I can't worry about stuff that's
• 34:42
  Speaker 8: going on like that. Like, If it's a holding, I
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: just got to play the first and 20 as it is.
• 34:47
  Speaker 8: I can't be worried about what they're calling or what's
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: going on out there. It definitely doesn't help the flow
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: of the game, but at that point, it kind of
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: is what it is. For me as a quarterback, I
• 35:00
  Speaker 8: just got to continue to focus on the next play.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Sam Darnold, the Seahawks quarterback, after they beat the Chargers
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: 30-23 after they had a 27-6 lead. Seahawks 3-1. They
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: play the San Francisco 49ers 4-0 in a showdown for
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: the NFC West lead early in the season on Sunday
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: at Lumen Field. 125 kickoff. And then the Seahawks go
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: to Denver four days after that for a game against
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: the Broncos on a Thursday night. Up next, let's go
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: to Pullman. Actually, Spokane. Greg Woods of the Spokesman Review
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: is up next to talk about Washington State Athletics' partnership
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: with an AI company for all its content about football
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: and more sports. And they're also going to talk about
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: a new play caller. The Cougs are going to have
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: their head coach, Kirby Moore, take over play calling from
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator. We'll talk with Greg Woods next. We'll
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: talk with Jory Epstein of Yahoo Sports about the NFL
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: tour around the league, including about Kenneth Walker at 11 o'clock.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: It's a Kraken ticket Tuesday. Listen for the horn if
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: it ever fits you to win two tickets to the
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Kraken upcoming game against Detroit on October 20th. All that's
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: coming up on 93.3 KJRFM. Welcome back. Greg Bell and
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Justin McIntyre with you on 93.3 KGRFM. Before we get
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: to Greg Woods about Washington State, Clay calling changes in
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: football and the athletic department's move yesterday. Adam Shepner of
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: ESPN is reporting. It turns out the Seahawks have decided
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: not to sign veteran running back Joe Mixon to their
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: practice squad after he underwent a physical for the team
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: per a league source. Of course, his physical health is
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: the question and why he is unsigned. He had a
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: foot injury, a mysterious foot injury that we talked about
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: earlier today. So maybe he's not out of the witness
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: protection program. Joe Mixon not coming to the Seahawks now.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: So it's Robert Henry Jr. or Bust as the replacements
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: for Jedarian Price being on the injured reserve and Zach
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Sarbanian not back yet. We'll talk more about that in
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: a minute. We're going to talk now to Greg Woods
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: of the Spokesman Review. He joins us on the Beacon
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Plumbing Hotline from Spokane, or I assume Spokane. Maybe it's Pullman. Hello, sir.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: Hey, good.
• 37:07
  Speaker 11: I'm from Pullman.
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: I'm not from Pullman, but I do live in Pullman.
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: I'm never really in Spokane.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Good. Well, you're one of the only guys who are
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: always at the practices and the press conference then on
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: the beat.
• 37:21
  Speaker 11: Yeah, that's basically why I live here.
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: I mean, if I lived in Spokane, I'd be driving
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: back and forth every day for three hours.
• 37:27
  Speaker 11: On the road.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: I see.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Greg at every game.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: You live in Pullman because Pullman's beautiful and it's a
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: great place to live. That's why you live there, right?
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you about Washington State's play calling. Head
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: coach Kirby Moore yesterday announcing that he's taking over the
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: play calling from his offensive coordinator. Is that going to
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: be the fix? And what's going on with the offense?
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Because it is doing nothing. Six points all in the
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: first half and a 26-6 home loss to Fresno.
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, it's bleak right now for sure. There's
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: no really other way to, you know, put that. But
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: I think they had to make some sort of big change,
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: whether it was– changing the quarterback or making some other
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: big personnel change um they had to do something and
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: you know maybe they wanted to be booked maybe.
• 38:09
  Speaker 11: One of seeing a quarterback change here on friday.
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: Night but until then i think it was the right
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: move if only to demonstrate to people that hey like
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: we are trying something different we're trying something new and
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: you know who knows if that works out but i
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: think um just you know at the very least in
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: the interest of like massaging the way it looks they
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: had to do something and i'm sure for kirby it
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: wasn't easy i mean that's He's been friends with Matt
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: Miller since, you know.
• 38:31
  Speaker 11: 2010 or 2011 when they were teammates at Boise State. So,
• 38:34
  Speaker 11: you know, I'm sure it wasn't easy, but, you know,
• 38:36
  Speaker 11: you got to change something.
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: And so, you know, especially considering the stable of running
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: backs that, you know, WCU has. And it not only has, but,
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: you know, they expanded, you know, all types of resources
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: over the offseason to retain those guys. Kirby Voorhees and
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: Maxwell Woods and William Pumalasi. So to not really getting
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: the most out of them when your head coach, the
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: guy who became the OC at Missouri, and he really
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: made his bones get the most out of the running
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: backs there, to not even getting the most out of
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: your three guys that you feel like could really do
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: some damage, I think was definitely part of the reason
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: why they made this move.
• 39:12
  Speaker 11: And, again, who knows? It might not make a huge difference, but,
• 39:14
  Speaker 11: you know, I guess I think they had to do
• 39:15
  Speaker 11: something for sure.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Is it the play calling or the players, Greg, for
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Washington State's offense?
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: Well, I think it's been both at different times. I
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: said this on me and Jamie's podcast, but um, I,
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: the way I thought it was like kind of ironic
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: to make this change after this last game against Fresno state,
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: because I like, uh, there's been a lot of games
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: where the play calling, I think has really took them
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: out of some good spots.
• 39:39
  Speaker 11: This is not one of those games to me. This
• 39:41
  Speaker 11: was the players is.
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: Not really executing to the best of their abilities. I mean,
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: you saw there was a kid to pick this. You
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: saw receivers running routes, short of the sticks. You saw, uh,
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: receiver dropping balls. You saw some of the decision-making that
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: a panic has really struggled with. And so, you know,
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: as much as, you know, Matt, you know, with that
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: going on, Matt Miller could call the perfect play, but
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: if the guys don't execute it, or if Katie Bennett is,
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: you know, few in his eyes from the pocket, it's
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: not going to work out.
• 40:11
  Speaker 11: So I thought, you know, but I think that, you know,
• 40:13
  Speaker 11: there's been.
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: Earlier times in the season where the play calling has
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: been more of the problem. I mean, I think about,
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: The Washington game, I think about the K-State game where
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: they tried these up-and-middle runs with the running backs that
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: were never really going to go anywhere, but they stuck
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: with it several times after that became clear. So I think, like,
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: in those days, it was more about the play calling,
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: but I think the last couple weeks, it's definitely been
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: more about the players not really executing, for sure.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Also yesterday, Washington State Athletics announced that they have– this
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: is on my read for the statement– has signed a
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: multi-year partnership with FanWord, the leading AI technology and storytelling
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: company in college sports. As part of the agreement, Washington
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: State will implement FanWord Assist, a proprietary AI-powered communications platform
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: to support storytelling efforts across every corner of the athletic department.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Quote from the athletic director, John Harlow, we are always
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: looking for innovative ways to tell our stories to student athletes, coaches,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: and programs. FanWord's technology will help us elevate storytelling by
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: improving our efficiency. Computers replacing people. Of all the schools,
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: the Edwin R. Murrow School, Journalism School at Washington State,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: renowned as it is. What's your reaction to this as
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: a journalist as am I?
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I was, I mean, I didn't even
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: go here. I'm not from anywhere around here. But just
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: knowing professors, even knowing students that I've come across in
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: my time here, like, it's disappointing for sure.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, they.
• 41:33
  Speaker 11: I mean, they want us to believe, it's important to
• 41:34
  Speaker 11: know here, they want us.
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: To believe that it's more about it being a, quote, tool.
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: You know, one of the PR guys called me yesterday
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: and said, you know, it's more of a tool.
• 41:43
  Speaker 11: It's not going to replace any job.
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: It's not going to take away any opportunities from J-School kids. But,
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: you know, this has not really come to pass yet. Like,
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: I just think there's so much... ambiguity in the way
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: this is going to be implemented and facilitated that you
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: lead people to kind of draw their own conclusions about
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: what it's going to look like. I guess they might
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: not even know right now. I mean, they might say,
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: they might have an idea for what, for the way
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: it'll go, but right now there's a lot of ambiguity
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: in the way it's going to be implemented. You know,
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: I think with Bandword, I did a lot of research
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: on this yesterday and, They have two main products, one
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: of which is FanWord Stories and one of which is
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: FanWord Assist, which is the one that WSU is signing
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: on for.
• 42:25
  Speaker 11: And it seems to be– the difference seems to be.
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: That FanWord Stories are more just like completely AI-generated stuff,
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: whereas FanWord Assist is more– kind of what it sounds like,
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: like the assists coming in from AI, whether it's with
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: player bios on their website or game recaps or even
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: the whole feature story thing and making it out editorial content,
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: I think was just, that's really just strange.
• 42:50
  Speaker 11: I think it shows just, you know, people do not
• 42:52
  Speaker 11: rock with AI in that way. People do not like
• 42:54
  Speaker 11: generative AI in that way.
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: I mean, you see, I mean, there's certain AI that's useful,
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: like I don't know if you guys know what Otter is,
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: but it's like an audio translation service.
• 43:04
  Speaker 11: I use that all the time.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Now, that's different. When you're transcribing quotes and having AI using–
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: rather than producing original work content based on someone else's work,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: that's a completely different deal. But, yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry.
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: No, no. Yeah.
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: And so the point is that I'm not like– 110%
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: against AI, but like I said on our podcast, degenerative
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: AI to assist in whatever form it takes.
• 43:29
  Speaker 11: That's the thing. They want us to believe it's more
• 43:32
  Speaker 11: of a tool.
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: I start actually going to be replacing any, like, humans
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: writing things.
• 43:37
  Speaker 11: The threshold should be zero.
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: Like, there's no, like, amount that we should be, like,
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: putting up with this when it comes to generative AI,
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: you know, seeping into the workflow of, you know, communicators. Like,
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: that's what's weird to me is that, like, the people that,
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: you know, WSU and their PR guys and comms guys, like,
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: you know, we might be on different sides of the profession,
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: but it's still the same kind of work, you know
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: what I mean? And so like for them to like
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: be not behind it, but, you know, putting forward a
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: financial stake in it, I just think shows that, you know,
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: you don't really understand where people are on this AI thing,
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: which is like I said, people do not like this
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: stuff and they responded accordingly.
• 44:19
  Speaker 11: Like, like their, their announcement did not go over well.
• 44:22
  Speaker 11: And so to hear, to hear, yeah. And so to hear,
• 44:25
  Speaker 11: I was telling Justin before, but like, To hear that,
• 44:28
  Speaker 11: you know, because they're like, well, you know, all these
• 44:29
  Speaker 11: other 207 schools are using it. Like, if someone jumps
• 44:32
  Speaker 11: off a bridge, are you going to do it? You
• 44:34
  Speaker 11: know what I mean?
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Greg, McClatchy told us the same thing, and then they
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: brought AI in six months ago, and then two weeks
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: ago cut 40% of the workforce. I'm living it. Let
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: me tell you. Forget it.
• 44:47
  Speaker 11: It's really disappointing.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Thanks, man. I'm with you. I'm 110% against AI, unlike
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: you said you weren't. I am. In journalism, I'm absolutely.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: Out of it.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Thanks, man.
• 44:57
  Speaker 11: Yeah, of course.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Enjoy Ogden, Utah, Friday night, Washington State at Utah State.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on. Of course, man. Thanks for having me.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Greg Woods of the Spokesman Review. Lots to talk about
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: in a short amount of time at Washington State that
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: happened yesterday. Now back to the NFL with Jory Epstein,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: a senior NFL writer for Yahoo Sports. He joins us
• 45:15
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• 45:19
  Speaker 2: She talked to Kenneth Walker this morning. We'll talk about
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: that next on 93.3 KJRFM.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: It's time for Greg's weekly visit with Yahoo Sports senior
• 45:39
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• 45:42
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  Speaker 7: I am doing well.
• 46:10
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  Speaker 4: do anything halfway. So we are ready to go.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: We are ready to go. We go all the way. Jory,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: joining us every Tuesday at 11 o'clock. Thanks to Zeke's Pizza,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: usually from New York City, where she lives. You talked
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: to Kenneth Walker this morning, you told me. And I'm
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: going to ask you, first of all, what did you learn?
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to ask you, second of all, had
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks made a mistake in not re-signing him?
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: Yes, I did talk to.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: Kenneth Walker this morning. And I think two things I
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: learned are, one, the way he talks about Andy Reid's
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: creative play.
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: Calling was really fun to hear.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: That's not a knock on Seattle. I mean, clearly Clint Kubiak,
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: who he had last year, is doing a great job
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: in Las Vegas. But it was kind of fun when
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: I was actually at their opener and said, asked him
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: about one of the plays they ran where he was
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: on the field. And I was like, him next to
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes and Justin Fields on this.
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: Like three-point standoff.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: That.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: So I think that the way they're scheming him is effective.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: The threat of Patrick Mahomes is effective. And the usage
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: is just crazy.
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: I mean, he did mention.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: That part of his belief in the uptick in production
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: is because of the uptick in opportunities. And when I
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: looked at it, if you look at how many, he's
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: on pace for like 420 touches, which would be just
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: almost double what he had in a.
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: Year in Seattle.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: And so the production is on pace for Almost Double,
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: which again, on pace and getting there are very different things,
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: but so are the opportunities.
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: So it is always interesting to think how much is this.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: A question of the guys finally getting the opportunity versus
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: The guy's producing in a different way. As I released
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: your question about Seattle and whether they should have kept him,
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: I guess it depends what you were going to pay
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: him and how much you believed in what he could do.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: He hasn't sustained this level of play over any of
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: the previous four seasons. And so I'm not sure he's
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: not going to, but if Seattle said, Hey, we can't
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: keep everyone from the Superbowl team. And Kenneth over the
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: course of the years, hasn't always sustained that level. Then
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: what's the, what's the, value at which it's worth it
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: what do you think greg because i mean it's four
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: weeks and he's got an insane run of i mean
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: he's averaging averaging 134.3 rushing yards per game and 155.3
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: yards from scrimmage per game they already have more touchdowns
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: from scrimmage six than he had all of last year
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: in the regular season so it's crazy numbers but is
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: that what it's going to look like in december when
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: you're really signing him for in january and february Right.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: And the Seahawks had him in a job share with
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Zach Charbonnet last year because they didn't think he would
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: last 17 games as the lead back in injury history.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: And they made a value proposition. At running back, they
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: didn't want to pay up to $ 15 million a year,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: which is what he got from Kansas City. It was
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: a three-year, $ 43 million contract with up to $ 45 million
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: count and guarantees. And they said, well, we would rather
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: draft a first-round pick and have him at rookie minimum salary,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: rookie contract salary for four years, just like they had
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Walker for four years. So It's easy to say in
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: the past, looking back, oh, yeah, they made a mistake. But, yeah,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: the money, the Seahawks were never going to pay $ 15
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: million a year to a running back philosophically. They did
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: have the cap space to do it. They just decided
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: not to. But, yeah, you can't argue with the result.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: This is the workload and playing time that he wished
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: he was having last year with Seattle.
• 49:21
  Speaker 7: Absolutely.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: And I mean, I'm like annoyingly logical for fans who
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: are emotional, but.
• 49:25
  Speaker 7: The Seahawks, despite the.
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: The rotation of running backs that have been going through
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: the game the last four weeks, I mean, you still
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: have basically 100 yards in three games, 97, 162, and 138.
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: Their run game.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: Was a problem against the Commanders, but despite not having him,
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: despite not even having Jadarian Price healthy, despite Zach Charbonnet
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: not being back, which I think you were probably there
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: when Mike McDonald said yesterday that he.
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: would return to team drills this week.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: I mean, I do think that there are enough people
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: in that room that would, Kenneth Walker had been better
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: through four weeks, probably if he did what he did
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: for Kent city right now, but is he going to
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: be that much better than the group as a whole,
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: that it's worth the money? I understand the case against it.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: And if you missed it earlier, Joe Mixon, apparently not
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: signing with the Seahawks practice squad, Adam Schefter, VSPN reporting
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks have decided not to after the physical, of course,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: the foot injury is what had him out of the
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: league last year. Jory Epstein, she joins us every Tuesday
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: thanks to Zeke's Pizza on the Beacon Plumbing Hotline. She's
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: a senior NFL writer for Yahoo Sports. All right, the
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: 4-4-0 teams include the Chiefs. And in the NFC, it's
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: the 49ers and the Vikings. I'm going to ask you,
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: are all three real to you? The Vikings have been
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: doing it with almost no offense. And the 49ers in particular,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: what surprises you or maybe doesn't surprise you? Brock Purdy
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: is playing lights out. But the 49ers come in here
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: on Sunday. How real do you think the Niners are
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: as a threat in the West now?
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: I think the 49ers are absolutely real. And to me,
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: from a play-calling standpoint and a talent at their peak
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: health standpoint, the 49ers have been a problem for years.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: But health has been a problem for them being a
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: problem for years. And so that's what's really had me
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: question them more recently. Now, I would say this year,
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: it's not bothering me in the same way because they're
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: producing all this despite their injuries. It's not, oh, they're
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: getting a little bit lucky on the injury front. I mean,
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: what Brock Purdy's doing with his 11 passing touchdowns, that
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: tie for the most in the league, he's done that
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: without a lot of his receivers, including Deshaun Stribling, their
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: top pick, who they really liked and they really thought
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: was going to be effective, had a great preseason. He's
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: out for a while. I think it's like 10 weeks.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: And so you don't have him. You don't have other
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: guys who are going down. And Brock Purdy's still doing that.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: He's still got the best pass every Morris just showed up.
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: And so I think that they've kind of stabilized some
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: elements of their defense. They're explosive on offense and they're
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: doing it against teams who yes I get that the
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: Rams game that they played in Australia there's a jet
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: lag element and I get that the Broncos have some
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: degree of injuries on defense but those are still two
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: teams who were in the conference championship last year and
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: you're beating those teams and you're injured too so I
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: think like I mean it almost felt like this week
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: in the NFL we should just say okay everything you
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: see this week let's put an asterisk on and yes
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: it counts toward your record but don't think that any
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: team performance necessary seven or eight because of how many
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: players around the league have these short-term injuries this week
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: um so i think that the niners are absolutely a
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: problem seattle's to this i mean i'll have my.
• 52:30
  Speaker 7: Eyes on the game that you'll be at this week
• 52:31
  Speaker 7: i guess.
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: Jory, I'm looking ahead to this matchup, and the Seahawks,
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: even in a win situation, were extremely disappointed, specifically with
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: the penalties there. I mean, you've been covering this league
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: for a really long time. How did they clean up
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: what happened? And what do you think happens outside of
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: our eyes when they're looking to clean up things throughout
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: the week and not have seven personal fouls?
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's interesting because I've always heard coaches
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: talk about penalties. the pre or post pre-snap penalties and
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: after the play. And then there's the during the play penalties,
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: those competitive penalties. And I think the nature of the
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: Seattle system, particularly on defense is this is the physical aggressive,
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: like constantly playing with youth group. And when you have that,
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: you're kind of always playing on the edge and.
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: Sometimes you're going to go over it.
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: But I think when you have that many penalties and
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: end up seeing the consequences of those in a Chargers
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: team able to fight back.
• 53:26
  Speaker 7: It is a reminder.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: So I wouldn't say I'm super concerned that they can't
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: get over this, but I do think that to suggest
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: there's going to be no penalties is probably not that
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: realistic with the nature of the play style.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: So while we're talking about officiating, what is going on
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: with Aiden Hill attacking a player for accidentally rumping into him?
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: And then a, a Nemeto lands, an official for cussing
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: out Trey McBride, our NFL officials become like major league
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: baseball umpires with these egos and the, the, the ref show. What's,
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: The league, they went and acted swiftly in suspending those officials.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: But what's going on there?
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting because going back to the spring, there
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: was a lot of conversation about officiating in the league,
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: and that was because the NFL Referees Association's collective bargaining
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: agreement with the league was up. And one of the
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: big sticking points between the league and the union for
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: the refs was the degree of accountability that the league
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: would be able to hold the refs to.
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: The refs association did.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: Not feel like they should have some of these strict
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: standards for improvement that the league wanted, especially given this
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: isn't a full-time job for these guys. And the league
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: felt like, Why are we having accountability standards for players
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: and coaches in so many parts of the league and
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: not having it for officiating? Now, that was not about
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: the interpersonal conduct with players at the time. That was
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: about if you miss a call, if you don't see something,
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: if you call the wrong call, etc., Now we're kind
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: of seeing this situation evolve where I think that the
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: tension that built in the spring is continuing to bubble
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: over and we're seeing some of the impacts of that now.
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: I think it's interesting because whether or not those suspensions
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: were warranted, it's It's pretty unlike the NFL in recent
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: history to actually suspend officials, much less two officials and
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: one of them for two games. And the cynical part
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: of me covering the league for 11 years now believes
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: that it's because of the public uproar and the fact
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: that at least one of these is caught on video
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: that we're seeing this suspension. I mean, if you don't
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: have the video evidence and you don't have the public
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: calling for this, J.C. Tretter, the head of the NFL
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: Players Association, calling for it, I don't think that... I'm
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: of the belief that the suspension is not primarily because
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: of the actions. It's primarily because the actions embarrass the league.
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: And that is a big factor here. So I think
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: that if we have continued episodes like this, it could
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: get ugly. And I think also there's this element of, well,
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: what is the point at which a player and a
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: coach can say something to an official, but the official
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: not say something back because they're Players are often fined
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: for things they do in games, but not necessarily things
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: they do.
• 56:04
  Speaker 7: Specifically toward officials.
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: Also, these players are just like so hyped up on
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: testosterone or whatever it is in the heat of the game.
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, think about the game of football generally. You
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: can physically assault someone on the football field and that'd
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: be fine, but when you leave the lines, you can't.
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: And so I think when you kind of blur these lines,
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: you say, well, what is the proper conduct? And where's
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: the line between players and officials?
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: Interesting context from Jory Epstein, senior NFO. Reporter for Yahoo Sports,
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: that's a good point about the labor and the situation
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: in the offseason perhaps bubbling over there. All right, we
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: saw him on Sunday, and for three quarters, the answer
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: to this is yes. But has Justin Herbert broken, and
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: did Mike McDonald break him with the Chargers?
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting. I don't have a sense that people
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: at the Chargers think he's broken for what it's worth.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: I think there's almost this opinion that even if, yes,
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: there were Seahawks penalties this past week, Against the Bills
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: and then against Seattle, there's not two times that they've
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: lost by one score, despite these 0-4 series. The turnovers
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: are certainly a problem. The offensive line is constantly a
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: problem there. And I don't think that Justin Herbert's having
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: a strong season by any stretch, but in terms of
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: are things fixed? They were down 20-3 and they come
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: back to make it a one-score game.
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: At the end.
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: I think they believe that's actually encouraging relative to the
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: beginning of the season.
• 57:25
  Speaker 7: Rather than discouraging.
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: I just really am surprised because Mike McDaniel has this
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: whole plan going into the season of, hey, offensive lines
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: are not as strong in the league as edge rushers
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: and pass rushers generally. And so you've got to get
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: the ball out quickly, rely on those yards after the
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: catch for your explosives rather than longer developing plays. And
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: that would save Justin Herbert from some of the pressure
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: he's going to be under. That has not happened. Justin
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: Herbert's turnovers have been a huge problem. And the offensive
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: line had four rookies at one point this past week.
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: And so you're seeing all of this. So I think
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: they have a long way to go. A lot of
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: it injury driven, but I also think there are certain
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: teams in the league who's They're kind of injured by design.
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: I don't mean they want players to be injured, but
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: they're just willing to be physical enough in their practices
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: that they think it's worth it, even if they have
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: some attrition. And I think the Chargers have shown us
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: through the years there's always going to be this physicality,
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: so they need to.
• 58:17
  Speaker 7: Prepare for this.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Michael Penix Jr. and the Falcons. I mean, if he's
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: got Bajon Robinson running like 145 yards he did last
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: night in the Superdome, Penix is back now from the injury.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: The Falcons offense looks pretty formable, no?
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely. I mean, it's interesting because Michael Penix Jr.
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: actually played pretty well when he was healthy last year.
• 58:49
  Speaker 7: He just wasn't able to stay healthy.
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: So to me, the question is not whether he's able
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: to function as a high-level NFL quarterback. It's whether he's
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: able to stay healthy enough to have.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: When you have a quarterback in who can run that
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: offense functionally like Michael Penix Jr., all of a sudden
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: defenses can't just stack the box against B.
• 59:09
  Speaker 7: John Robinson.
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: They can't sell out to defend against the run.
• 59:12
  Speaker 7: And B. John has a lot of opportunities. And so he.
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: Had 213 yards from scrimmage and two touchdowns against the Packers.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: And last night you go to 147 and two against
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: the Saints. And I don't think that we should be
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: concerned that this is going to fall off anytime soon.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: So So, I mean, credit to Kevin Stefanski, their head coach,
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: and Tommy Reese, the offensive coordinator and play caller. I
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: think that compared to the group they had in Cleveland
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: when they were coaching there last year, this is probably
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: a group of personnel that better fits what they want
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: to do.
• 59:40
  Speaker 7: And we're seeing that as they get Michael Penix back.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: So, Penix is back, and it looks like he's going
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: to roll. I mean, he looked like the Washington Huskies Penix.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: He had 15 completions for 220-plus yards last night in
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: that game against 45 points against the saints. So what
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: do they do with Tua? I mean, could you see
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: him trading him at the deadline to a quarterback needy team?
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Their deadline's in a month.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: That's a great question, Greg. And I probably shouldn't be
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: thinking about that more than I have. I mean, I
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: think you should consider it, but on the other hand, I,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: Backup quarterbacks are a really important position in the league.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, when you think about the fact that there's
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: like 22 starters on a team, so by nature, the
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: first backup is a 23rd guy on the team if
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: we're counting offense and defense.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 7: I've talked to general managers in.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: This league who believe that the backup quarterback position is
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: the 11th most important position on the league, which is
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: to say like more important than half of your starters
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: just because of how quarterback-centric and quarterback-revolving this league is.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: And also, if you have an injury history at quarterback.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: I don't think that's where the focus is. You can
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: feel comfortable that Michael Penix can stay healthy. I hope
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: he does. And it'd be a great problem to have
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: that extra in the quarterback room. But I think when
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: you saw how bad it looked without Michael Penix or
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: Tua in there, I think you have to keep that
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: kind of insurance if you want to be able to
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: feel like you can have a playoff run.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: And that's why they signed him in the first place.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: Good point. By the way, Jory, our friend Keith on
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: 253 Text Line, Tacoma Dodge Text Line, says, how is
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: this segment not called Jory's NFL Stories?
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 7: Thanks, Keith. Love a good rhyme.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: Now we already have the intro.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: Right. Why not? Let's just roll with the whole damn show.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: All right. So where are you at this week? You
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: staying home? Going to Meadowlands? What do you got this week, Jory?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: There's a chance I go to Jets-Browns.
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  Speaker 7: I have a credential in case.
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  Speaker 4: I'm interested in the Browns, but I'm not super convinced
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  Speaker 4: that what they do against the Jets will be very convincing.
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  Speaker 4: And then I've also, I have the, if the Raiders
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  Speaker 4: had won, I would have been in New England this week,
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  Speaker 4: but they didn't. So that's where I've gone. So honestly,
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  Speaker 4: I'll definitely be watching the game you're at, because I
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  Speaker 4: think from a playoff standpoint, when you think of the
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  Speaker 4: games this week, There's not a bigger game than the
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  Speaker 4: Seahawks-Miners game.
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  Speaker 2: Come on back out. We'll get you some gluten-free Zeke's Pizza.
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  Speaker 2: You know where it is. You've run by it. Come
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  Speaker 2: on back anytime. Good to talk to you, Jory. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next Tuesday.
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  Speaker 7: You too, Greg and Desmond. Talk to you soon.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Jory Epstein, our friend from New York, senior
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  Speaker 2: NFL writer for Yahoo Sports. She joined us every Tuesday
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  Speaker 2: at 11 o'clock. Thanks to Zeke's Pizza and Zeke'sPizza.com. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they have gluten-free pizza. We checked.
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  Speaker 3: Almost every pizza place does these.
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  Speaker 11: It is.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: We're pretty lucky in Seattle. I have a wife who's
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  Speaker 2: vegetarian and gluten free. And we go to other places
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  Speaker 2: on vacation. Like we went to Nashville in August. Not
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  Speaker 2: as easy.
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  Speaker 3: Even New York. I'm a New York person.
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  Speaker 5: And, you know, the pizza places, it's always like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you got a Roma here.
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  Speaker 3: You got this there. It's all family names and everything.
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  Speaker 5: They all cater to that community now, even though it
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  Speaker 5: used to be just.
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  Speaker 3: Like, you get what you get.
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  Speaker 5: Really? You want the light beer or the dark beer?
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  Speaker 2: Mike's Pizza in Manhattan will have gluten-free now?
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  Speaker 4: Probably.
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  Speaker 6: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: John's is the best one, by the way.
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  Speaker 2: John's Pizza.
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  Speaker 3: John's Pizza.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I think I've been there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's right in Times Square. It's right by the
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  Speaker 3: hotel we stayed at for the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: We will be there. Jessamyn and I will be there.
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  Speaker 2: Army-Navy Friday on December the 11th. Same hotel, by the way.
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  Speaker 2: So right by John's. We're going to be in Times Square.
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  Speaker 2: We will go to John's Pizza. We will report on
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  Speaker 12: I do appreciate the question this morning in regards to
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  Speaker 12: Kenneth Walker about asking if your listeners' hindsight is 20-20.
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  Speaker 12: And I am just leaving a message here to confirm
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  Speaker 12: my hindsight is 20-20, just like yours. So, yes, I
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  Speaker 12: do believe we did make a mistake by not re-signing
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  Speaker 12: Kenneth Walker.
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  Speaker 2: Go Hawks!
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  Speaker 13: Love Kenneth Walker. He had six, seven good games in
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 13: four years. He made those games count, though. The timing
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  Speaker 13: was impeccable. But he wasn't going to come back here.
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  Speaker 13: We were never going to give him the ball 25
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  Speaker 13: times a game.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the deal. Right now, yeah, I would love to
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  Speaker 2: have Kenneth Walker.
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  Speaker 11: But ask me after we play.
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  Speaker 13: The Chiefs if he makes it through that game or
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  Speaker 13: if he's even available for that game, and I'll tell
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  Speaker 13: you whether or not we made a mistake or not.
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  Speaker 2: God bless you all. That was nice. Nice way to
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: sign off on that.
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  Speaker 3: I agree.
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  Speaker 2: With that. 49451 on the Comodage text line has more
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  Speaker 2: on Kenneth Walker and our question of whether you think
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  Speaker 2: it was a mistake. 425, when the Seahawks let Kenneth
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  Speaker 2: Walker lead the team, I thought it was a terrible
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  Speaker 2: decision at the time, and I realize there are multiple
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  Speaker 2: factors involved, as you have discussed. However, I also believe
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  Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker is proving a point to the Seahawks by
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: letting him go and possibly working even harder than ever
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  Speaker 2: to prove them wrong and that they should have kept him.
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  Speaker 2: My thoughts. Well, my thoughts are that he's getting the opportunity,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: which makes it look like he's trying to prove him wrong.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: But he's just, as Jory outlined, he's on pace for
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: twice as many touches that he's ever gotten in the
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: NFL with the Seahawks. He was getting 200 or so,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: and now he's at 420?
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  Speaker 3: We're four games in, though. Is this sustainable?
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: And there are many on the text line who say
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  Speaker 2: it's not. And there are a couple that Like the
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: 4-2-5 stay, why stay? McDonald would probably still be using
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: him as a timeshare running back and putting him from
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  Speaker 2: the game at the goal line for Wilson or Helani.
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  Speaker 2: Coach wasn't a big fan of Walker until they needed him.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure the coach wasn't a big fan of him.
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  Speaker 2: I think they were in preservation mode, but that was
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  Speaker 2: the wrong year for Walker in his mind to be
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  Speaker 2: in preservation mode. 7-1-4, SoCal. Huntington Beach. That's my man, Greg.
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  Speaker 2: I was okay with letting K-9 walk because it was
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  Speaker 2: injury history, but he was criminally unutilized by the Seahawks,
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  Speaker 2: and now the Chiefs are reaping the benefits because he's fresh.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: That stings. Oh, and I saw this coming and drafted
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: him all my fantasy leagues. Good for you. Yeah, good
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  Speaker 2: for you. You got that right. Yes, the 425 says
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  Speaker 2: the team absolutely messed up by not re-signing Walker or
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: trying to. Shahid looks like he got his money and
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: isn't going to put his body on the line by
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: hitting the holes and kick returns that get him to
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  Speaker 2: the house. Hmm, that's an interesting point of view. And
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: fair catching when no one was within 10 yards. I
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: have noticed him fair catching, but usually it's with someone
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  Speaker 2: around him.
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  Speaker 10: Right.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's been a good judicious decision each time
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  Speaker 5: I've seen it.
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  Speaker 2: 253 makes the point we've, in Seattle, have had bad
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  Speaker 2: luck with Notre Dame running backs. C.J. Proseis.
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  Speaker 5: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Who mentioned C.J.
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  Speaker 7: Proseis? C.J.
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  Speaker 3: Was vastly injured. He just had a hard time staying healthy.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: Now, I will say this. We are only three games
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: into Jadarian Price's career. I think it's way too early
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: to say anything definitive of where he's going to be
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: with the Seahawks over the next four years. So the
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: fact he's injured puts this on layaway for another month
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: at least. But when he comes back, if he's healthy,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: let's see. Let's see what Price looks like before we
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  Speaker 2: can determine whether signing or not signing Walker was a mistake.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: I have plenty of belief in Jadarian Price.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: So we'll see. For 253, regarding Vinod Kozla's comment, never
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: say never, he is accustomed to speaking with investors. He
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: speaks like a fiduciary. I was one for 20 years,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: one that avoids definitive statements about future performance of actions.
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  Speaker 6: Hmm.
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  Speaker 2: That's an interesting way to look at it, a fiduciary. Hey,
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  Speaker 3: So you know it's NFL.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you do.
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  Speaker 5: So I go back and forth several times throughout this,
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  Speaker 5: especially this early in the week, because there's only been
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  Speaker 5: a couple of picks that have been made so far.
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  Speaker 3: So here's what I'm doing. I'm going with my heart, Greg.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, we're going back to the Jets?
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  Speaker 5: Nope. Oh. Actually, Ian already took that game, and he
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  Speaker 5: picked against them. However, I like to leave some games open,
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  Speaker 5: maybe on Thursday.
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  Speaker 3: I will change my tune.
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  Speaker 5: But I like to put every game out there that
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  Speaker 5: I'm going with Washington minus three at the New York Giants.
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  Speaker 2: That heart.
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  Speaker 3: That heart.
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  Speaker 2: She has a lot of friends, including her best one,
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  Speaker 2: who's in the commander's organization. Yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And so I just look at the way that.
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  Speaker 5: They, I mean, they are coming so fast. They are
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  Speaker 5: coming off a long trip. They were just in London.
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  Speaker 5: I'm very well.
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  Speaker 7: Aware of that.
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  Speaker 2: They got waxed by the Colts.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: And they did. That was a tough one.
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  Speaker 5: So I think they're going to bounce back just like
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: we saw them do after a rough start against the Seahawks.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 5: We saw them bounce back against them. So I think
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: they're going to do the same exact thing. And I'm
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: not really very confident in the Jameis Winston chart.
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  Speaker 2: They're 3-1, the Giants are.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's fool's gold. I think it's fool's gold.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that Washington has a lot to build upon,
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  Speaker 5: especially seeing what Marriott is capable of.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going with.
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  Speaker 5: Washington minus 3.5, hosting.
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  Speaker 3: The Giants, by the way.
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  Speaker 8: Right.
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  Speaker 2: The game's in Landover.
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  Speaker 5: So it's kind of a pick-em because you get three
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  Speaker 5: points traditionally as the home team. So it is very
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  Speaker 5: up in the air. What will happen, I am taking
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  Speaker 5: them minus 3.5.
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  Speaker 2: 3.5.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, it is three and a half.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we are.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Softie and Dick and Chuck are actually, well, it updates.
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  Speaker 2: it was Joe Mixon. There were some people who were
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  Speaker 2: not happy with Joe Mixon's background.
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  Speaker 3: And that's not even a thing anymore.
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  Speaker 2: So if you missed the news from about an hour,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: half hour ago, Adam Schefter of ESPN reporting that the
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks have backed out of their agreement with Joe Mixon
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  Speaker 2: and are not going to sign with the practice squad
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  Speaker 2: after he took a physical with the team. There was
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  Speaker 2: a mysterious foot injury last year in which he did
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: not play at all in the 2025 season. He got
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: it in preseason with the Houston Texans. And I read
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  Speaker 2: what John McClain, the longtime beat writer in Houston, said
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  Speaker 2: it was the most mysterious injury he'd ever seen in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL that no one would talk about. And now
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  Speaker 2: it looks like the Seahawks have said, nope, no thanks.
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  Speaker 2: Looking into further review, we don't want to sign even
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  Speaker 2: to the practice squad because of health issues after the physical.
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  Speaker 2: So that leaves Robert Henry Jr., who they signed yesterday,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: or excuse me, they agreed news-breaking last night to a sign.
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  Speaker 2: They haven't announced that deal yet. Off the commander's practice squad,
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  Speaker 2: an undrafted rookie from Texas, San Antonio, is the one
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: reinforcement to the running back room with Jadar and Price
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  Speaker 2: going on injured reserve. 206, probably not worth re-signing Walker,
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  Speaker 2: assuming the Hawks used him how they did last year.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: That's true, you wouldn't pay $ 15 million for a halftime player.
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  Speaker 2: No one could predict how they'd use him like the
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: Chiefs are, currently based on how they historically used Walker.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: 425 says, yes, the Seahawks badly mistaken by not re-signing Walker,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: but it seemed like everyone was in agreement about it. Also,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: Sam is not playing well. Super Bowl hangover, that was
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: not his best. And the interceptions have been ugly ones. Yes,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: two of the three have been really ugly.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they have.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it was dueling interceptions at the beginning of
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: that game last week, which was really, really weird.
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  Speaker 2: First time in NFL history that a game began with
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: two interceptions on the first two plays by opposing quarterbacks.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: 206 says, seems ironic that the Hawks always say they
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: want to run first, then Walker goes to the team
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: with arguably the number one quarterback in the league and
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: is kicking butt. We talked about this when he signed
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: with the Chiefs, how Andy Reid uses his tailbacks in
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: the pass game specifically. He doesn't take out his lead
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: running back and bring in a third down back. His
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: lead running back is usually the third down back to
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  Speaker 2: throw to. And Andy Reid has a route tree for
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: that back. He's not just a leak-out, check-down dude. He's
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: got nines and sevens and fives and sixes and deep
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  Speaker 2: crosses and all the route tree routes for a running back.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what makes it unique what Kenneth Walker's doing
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: now because the Seahawks did not do that, obviously, and
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: certainly not last year. 206 says, no, I think letting
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker go was the right move. I don't think
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: he is a bell cow running back. I just don't
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: see him being able to keep his current pace. Plus,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: he isn't the best fit for the zone blocking run scheme.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: That's interesting, too. The scheme not to fit there. 425 says,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think K-9 is going to last the entire
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: season the Chiefs are using hat. He's playing 75% of
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: the snaps, and as Jory Epstein just told us in
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: the last segment, I'm paced for 400. 20 touches this year,
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  Speaker 2: twice as many as he ever got in Seattle. Up next,
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  Speaker 2: Ian Furness, who may be in the building. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Is he at Crackin' Ville? I'm not sure if I've
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  Speaker 2: seen him yet, but he's going to tell us what's
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  Speaker 3: And one clarification.
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  Speaker 5: I know I mentioned Marcus Mariota. My reference was as
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  Speaker 5: what a backup can do for Washington.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: I know he got hurt during the Colts game. So
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: that was why I referenced him. And he's questionable, but
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  Speaker 5: probably doubtful at this point.
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  Speaker 2: So where do they go at quarterback?
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  Speaker 3: They're at their third string.
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  Speaker 2: And you're still taking the Washington minus three and a half?
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  Speaker 3: I don't have any choice anymore. I am aware of that,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm still taking them.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I am.
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  Speaker 11: I am.
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  Speaker 4: Faith.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going nowhere.
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  Speaker 2: Faith and friends. Her friend Dan Quinn and the Commanders
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  Speaker 2: coming off the trip to London. Minus three and a
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  Speaker 2: half at home over the Giants. If you agree, text
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  Speaker 2: FACT to 49451. If you disagree and think the Giants
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  Speaker 2: will either win or lose by fewer than three points,
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  Speaker 2: text FICTIONED. Three or fewer points. Text FICTION to 49451.
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  Speaker 2: He ends up next to tell us what he's got
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  Speaker 2: on his show on 93.3 KJRFM. Hi, welcome back. Greg Bell,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: Justin McIntyre with you on 93.3 KJRFM where the question
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  Speaker 2: of the day we've been talking about, including with Jory
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  Speaker 2: Epstein of Yahoo Sports, senior NFL writer who talked to
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  Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker this morning, interviewed him, and we talked about that.
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  Speaker 2: The question of the day has been on the text line.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to just pose it to Ian for us
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  Speaker 2: right now. Did the Seahawks make a mistake in not
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  Speaker 2: re-signing Kenneth Walker? I can't go there yet. That's what
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  Speaker 2: I think. What's wrong with this chair? There we go.
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  Speaker 3: We're going, folks.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I can't go there yet. I think Jory said
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  Speaker 10: it right. How he's used here, how he would be
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  Speaker 10: used here, and all those things. I think she nailed it,
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  Speaker 10: and I don't think we go there yet. Just one
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  Speaker 10: man's opinion.
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  Speaker 2: Three games of Jadarian Price so far. Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's the issue.
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: That's the issue. So let me ask you the issues
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  Speaker 2: you need in running back.
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  Speaker 10: He's your best guy available. You take him in the
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  Speaker 10: first round. The red flags with just that, I mean,
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  Speaker 10: Hugh brought it up from the second he got drafted.
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  Speaker 10: The body type, how he's built, in that position, there
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  Speaker 10: would be a concern about injuries. And sure enough, boom.
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  Speaker 10: He's been hurt since the second he got here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right? He was hurt in training camp.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: He was hurt in the preseason, and he's been hurt
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  Speaker 10: in the regular season. And he can't hold on to football.
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  Speaker 10: That's the concern.
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  Speaker 14: And he plays the position where most guys get hurt.
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  Speaker 14: in the shortest career span. Right, and that's the thing.
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  Speaker 14: I don't know if that's a Ken Walker problem. I
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  Speaker 14: think that's just a Jadarian Price problem.
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  Speaker 2: That's the issue. Which becomes a Seahawks problem. Which becomes
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  Speaker 2: a Seahawks problem. But right, right. I mean, what you
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  Speaker 2: did and stuff like that in terms of drafting him.
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  Speaker 2: So is it sustainable to crack an averaging six goals
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  Speaker 2: a game against everybody beside the Edmonton Oilers?
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  Speaker 10: Well, they've played three and they've scored six against the
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  Speaker 10: same team twice.
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  Speaker 2: Is that an AHL team in Calgary? No, you know what?
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  Speaker 2: They're not good.
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  Speaker 10: They'll be at the bottom of the Western Conference this year,
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  Speaker 10: more than likely. If they're not at the bottom, they'll
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  Speaker 10: be near the bottom. But tonight's a good barometer. I
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  Speaker 10: thought Saturday was too in Edmonton, and they played well
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  Speaker 10: in Edmonton.
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  Speaker 12: They did.
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  Speaker 10: They got the worst possible bounce you could ever have.
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  Speaker 10: They're three, four minutes away from getting at least a
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  Speaker 10: point out of that game, keeping them down on the
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  Speaker 10: score sheet. Did a terrific job, and then a puck
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  Speaker 10: that's rimmed into the zone hits a guy's leg, McDavid,
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  Speaker 10: of course, and goes to Dreisaitl, who's alone in front
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  Speaker 10: of the net. Just an unlucky bounce.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 10: Happens in hockey all the time. Happens in every sport
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  Speaker 10: all the time. Tonight's a good barometer, though. I mean,
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  Speaker 10: Vegas was a Stanley Cup finalist last night.
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  Speaker 8: Year.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see.
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  Speaker 10: And Seattle's had success against them. They were 3-1 against
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  Speaker 10: them last year. So good barometer test tonight.
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  Speaker 2: What's 640 start is on national TV? No, no.
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  Speaker 10: So they've done what the Kraken did. And I know
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  Speaker 10: they consulted the Mariners on this, which I think is
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  Speaker 10: a good idea. They and a lot of major league
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  Speaker 10: baseball teams have done this. They go to the 640 start.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, how many times Mariners, like you're driving around,
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  Speaker 10: it's like, oh, it's 3.30 in the afternoon. The Mariners
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  Speaker 10: are about ready to start a baseball game in New
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  Speaker 10: York or Boston or wherever.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 10: Um, the earlier starts, uh, I don't think I looked,
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  Speaker 10: I've looked a couple of times. I don't think I've
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  Speaker 10: seen any others in the NHL yet, but the Kraken said, Hey,
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  Speaker 10: we're going to start these games earlier, whether you're watching
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  Speaker 10: on TV or coming to the arena weeknight games, Monday
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  Speaker 10: through Thursday, uh, they'll start it at six 40.
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  Speaker 2: What's the thinking?
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  Speaker 10: Same thing as the Mariners get, get, you know, people
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  Speaker 10: for the most part, if they're already here in the city,
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  Speaker 10: they're not going to go home and come back. Um,
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  Speaker 10: and if you are coming in to go to the game,
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  Speaker 10: you get out of there earlier.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's saves you a half an hour. And when
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  Speaker 2: people are going to bed early. On a work night.
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  Speaker 2: On a work night.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's exact.
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  Speaker 10: And they, they, I know they consulted with the M's
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  Speaker 10: and I know it's worked well for, for Mariners.
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  Speaker 11: Right.
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  Speaker 10: So they're going to, they're going to give this a go.
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  Speaker 10: So they'll start earlier tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I think it's, I think it's a good idea.
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  Speaker 2: I really do.
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  Speaker 4: Seven, it's.
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  Speaker 10: Things change over the years, right? Remember games used to
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  Speaker 10: always start at 8 when you and I were growing up?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, 735 was standard.
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  Speaker 10: It's funny, the East Coast still has a lot of
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  Speaker 10: 730 games in the NHL and NBA, but baseball, I
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  Speaker 10: know the Yankees, Red Sox, others started at 640. So
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  Speaker 10: they're going to do that here in Seattle for hockey.
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  Speaker 2: You can tell it's a cracking hockey game because my
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  Speaker 2: pregame guy on TV is in his white colored shirt
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  Speaker 2: and tie. I'm in play-by-play tonight, so it's a different moment. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: you're doing play-by-play!
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  Speaker 3: Oh!
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  Speaker 2: That's because it's an Amazon night for John's room?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, he's on his way to Canada. John's, I think
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  Speaker 10: I got 15 this year, so this is the first
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  Speaker 10: of 15.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, even more reason to watch tonight. There you go. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Kraken Hockey Network. Yeah, there we go. Beside play-by-play at
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  Speaker 2: Kraken's Vegas. Can't wait for all the fun feedback. That's
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  Speaker 2: always good. Yeah, I'm sure. Stay off social media. What
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  Speaker 2: do you got going today? We're going to check in.
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  Speaker 10: The Cougs are going to join us, Alex and MK.
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  Speaker 2: Hmm.
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  Speaker 10: Maybe the worst offense at Wazoo since the first or
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  Speaker 10: second year of Paul Wolfe.
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  Speaker 2: Not maybe. I think it is.
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  Speaker 3: It's the worst I've seen.
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  Speaker 2: It's awful.
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  Speaker 3: Since 2012. It's awful.
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  Speaker 2: Kirby Moore is now going to call the plays. Good call.
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  Speaker 10: Should have been doing it from the start. So we'll
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  Speaker 10: talk about that. How bad things are in Pullman. So
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  Speaker 10: if you'd like to hear how bad things are in Pullman,
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  Speaker 10: Husky fans, you can share our misery and we'll share
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  Speaker 10: your misery.
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  Speaker 2: How's that? John Lund, 49ers week. John Lund at 2 o'clock.
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  Speaker 2: That'll be a dandy. That'll be fun.
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  Speaker 10: He's already texting me and tweeting stuff out and just
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  Speaker 10: a knucklehead. That's appointment listening, folks. We'll get into 49er
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  Speaker 10: hate at 2 o'clock. Actually, we'll do that off the
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  Speaker 10: top of the show as well, but we'll do that
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  Speaker 10: certainly at 2 o'clock with the line.
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  Speaker 2: It should be fun. Plus, a Kraken ticket Tuesday. Giving
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  Speaker 2: away tickets. So, we'll go. Cougs and Bang Bang Niner game.
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  Speaker 2: That's what Ian's got up next. Greg Bell, Justin Beyer,
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  Speaker 2: thanks for listening. We'll do it again tomorrow. Ian's up next.
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  Speaker 2: He's got Factor Fiction at 235 on 93.3 KJRFM.