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LETS TALK ABOUT IT WITH SHANETTE AND CORNEL · DA CREW Podcast

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  Speaker 3: Lags and gentlemen, may I have your attention please? The
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  Speaker 4: I am so sorry about that. I didn't realize I
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  Speaker 4: was melted. Melted, But welcome to let's talk about it.
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  Speaker 4: I am your host at Johnson. I am happy to
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  Speaker 4: be back. This is my second season on the Crew podcast,
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  Speaker 4: and the first season I was working through it. I
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  Speaker 4: had to work through my jitters. On tonight, me and
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  Speaker 4: Cornell will be going taking a look inside of td
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  Speaker 4: C J we is Texas. We're gonna go inside of there.
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  Speaker 4: We've been getting quite a few feet complaints and stuff
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  Speaker 4: about what's going on inside of the prison system over
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  Speaker 4: there in Texas.
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  Speaker 5: But until Cornell call.
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  Speaker 4: And oh and we also also mister Legate will be
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  Speaker 4: joining us as well, because he has some things that
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  Speaker 4: he had to talk about about what's going on where
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  Speaker 4: he's at. He's also in the state of Texas. And
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  Speaker 4: I believe I have one more guest that's going to
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  Speaker 4: join me on tonight.
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  Speaker 5: Mister young mister young.
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  Speaker 4: Was sixteen when he did his committed his crime, and
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  Speaker 4: he has served over forty years inside of Texas State Prison.
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  Speaker 4: He's also going to be joining me on this evening,
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  Speaker 4: but once again, but until they give me a call,
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  Speaker 4: because we all know how the phone systems work in there.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes they can get a call out, sometimes they jam
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  Speaker 4: the phones. Sometimes it's just it's just hard to get
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  Speaker 4: in touch with you get in touch with us. But
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  Speaker 4: let me tell you about my weekend. So as everyone know,
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  Speaker 4: my husband is currently incarcerated wrongfully in Denver, Colorado.
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  Speaker 5: I had the.
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  Speaker 4: I was able to fly out on Thursday morning for
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  Speaker 4: a special visit to see him. And when I got there,
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  Speaker 4: when I walked off that plane, I couldn't believe it,
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  Speaker 4: it was six degrees six degrees.
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  Speaker 5: It felt like I was insight of a freezer.
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  Speaker 4: But once I got able to got to the prison
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  Speaker 4: where I was able to see him, I felt so
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  Speaker 4: much better, you know, just to see the smile on
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  Speaker 4: his face and it just warmed me up. I was
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  Speaker 4: able to visit him Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, so as
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  Speaker 4: long as I was in town, I was able to
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  Speaker 4: go and visit him. Yesterday was a little hard for
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  Speaker 4: the both of us. When it was time to lead.
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  Speaker 4: Usually we look back at each other because we know
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  Speaker 4: I was coming back the next day. But yesterday he
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  Speaker 4: when he walked out, he just he didn't look back.
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  Speaker 4: So that was a little hard.
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  Speaker 5: But it was.
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  Speaker 4: It was enjoyable, enjoyable just to sit there and talk
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  Speaker 4: to him and talk to the other guys that was there.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, just to see them interact with their family
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  Speaker 4: because some of.
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  Speaker 5: Them, by them being.
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  Speaker 4: Like probably about two hours away from their family, they don't.
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  Speaker 5: Get the visits.
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  Speaker 4: And by me being in California, you know, it all
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  Speaker 4: depends on when I'll give vacation.
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  Speaker 5: Time to go over and visit. Why, but I keep
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  Speaker 5: we stay on the.
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  Speaker 4: Phone all day and constantly talk, just keep in touch
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  Speaker 4: with each other. Then this morning I flew back in
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  Speaker 4: and so now I'm at home and I'm here with
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  Speaker 4: you guys, just sitting up here, just waiting.
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  Speaker 5: To call.
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  Speaker 2: There, prepaid, accuse or an a thunder, prepaid. Thank you
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  Speaker 2: for using and got the conversation.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Hello Cordell, Hello, ma'am, how are you doing tonight?
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  Speaker 5: I am doing good.
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  Speaker 4: I was just sitting up here for the last six
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  Speaker 4: minutes just mbling on, and I know everybody was probably
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  Speaker 4: was waiting to hear from Cornell. So how have you
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  Speaker 4: been doing, Cornell, ma'am?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing great tonight them and I'm alive and thank god,
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  Speaker 2: I'm way yes, ma'am, And tonight like the beautiful.
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  Speaker 5: Man and you and I'm doing one wonderful as you.
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  Speaker 5: I was just telling them.
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  Speaker 4: I just flew back in from Denver from seeing Juan,
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  Speaker 4: so I am back and I'm ready to get you know,
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  Speaker 4: let's get this work that.
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  Speaker 5: Keep keep continuously being a voice for the ones that
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  Speaker 5: doesn't have a voice. We was waiting on mister Legate
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  Speaker 5: to come in, but mister Legate haven't called yet. I
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  Speaker 5: know that when I talked to mister Legate last week,
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  Speaker 5: he was telling me that a situation was.
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  Speaker 4: Going on over there where he's at, where the the
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  Speaker 4: CEOs is really not doing their jobs. That since there's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of drugs coming in there, and that the
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  Speaker 4: men's is caught with drugs, they expect for the other
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  Speaker 4: inmates to discipline them.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So he been over there dealing with that. They've
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  Speaker 4: basically been on lockdown, and and he wanted to come
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  Speaker 4: on and he wanted to share about, you know, what
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  Speaker 4: was going on over there where he's at. But I
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  Speaker 4: just wanted to go ahead. Let me go ahead and
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  Speaker 4: just read this right quick. Texas have over one hundred
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  Speaker 4: and four prisons, that's including state, federal, private, and juvenile facilities.
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  Speaker 4: Texas is the largest runs the largest prison system, second
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  Speaker 4: it to California. So California is you know, California and
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  Speaker 4: Texas is running neck and neck. They also Texas also
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  Speaker 4: house one hundred and thirty four thousand and sixty six
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  Speaker 4: sixty six prisoners at their facilities and California house more
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  Speaker 4: so those are the two top states that have more
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  Speaker 4: prisons and they also house more.
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  Speaker 5: Offenders.
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  Speaker 4: Let's see, Texas have eighteen prisons and let me see,
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  Speaker 4: and they have they employed thirty six thousand. They have
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  Speaker 4: thirty six thousand employees running their facilities. But right now,
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  Speaker 4: me and Cortnell, we're gonna bring you up to bring
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  Speaker 4: you guys up to date because, as you guys know it,
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  Speaker 4: Cornell had made parole and we're just waiting for Cornell
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  Speaker 4: to them doors to open up for him, but they
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  Speaker 4: have transferred him to demingus unit. So I'm gonna let
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  Speaker 4: Cornell go ahead and fill you guys in on that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yes, ma'am, thanks you very much. Yess'am. I have
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  Speaker 2: abol and I have to truansfer to the division. Guess
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  Speaker 2: they facility that they call this a rehabilitation program. And
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  Speaker 2: just being here, you're known, I have learned a lot
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  Speaker 2: about you know, being ready back into society, even though
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  Speaker 2: it's not the best program in the world. Steal some
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  Speaker 2: new information to learn, man, Okay, And like I said,
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  Speaker 2: since been here, from what I have already been the
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  Speaker 2: negative who which is the true podcast? And let's talk
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  Speaker 2: about it and the platform that you guys have you know,
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  Speaker 2: I have been a positives who wants over here with
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  Speaker 2: you guys, and they guys who love me, okay, and
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  Speaker 2: they respect me for who I am because you know,
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  Speaker 2: like you say, we know advocates for criminal justice reforming.
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  Speaker 2: Not only that we speak on behalf of everybody. So
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  Speaker 2: you know they love me over here. So with that
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  Speaker 2: being said, ma'am, I'm doing all right. Uh, yes, ma'am,
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  Speaker 2: So tonight's still basically we're gonna be talking about we
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  Speaker 2: were a versus a stale Federals class action civil lawsuit
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  Speaker 2: that transformed the prism uh letigation reforms uh uh, the
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  Speaker 2: Texas Reform Legations Act. Okay. And basically, as he was
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  Speaker 2: just identifying, ma'am, the number of prisons that we had
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  Speaker 2: to day was not the number of prisons we started.
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  Speaker 5: Out with, right, okay.
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  Speaker 2: And Texas started out with twelve prison systems from nineteen
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  Speaker 2: seventy six up until nineteen seventy nine or seventy eight okay,
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  Speaker 2: and then they went on to include a couple more
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  Speaker 2: power facilities. Okay. In nineteen ninety one ninety two they
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  Speaker 2: came in to start build up prison and this spot.
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  Speaker 2: They now have a number of prisons. Just have identified
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  Speaker 2: it now, Okay, But tonight it showed basically not to say,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna be talking about you red versus Sales stipulation
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  Speaker 2: case and your opinion. Man, do you have anything they
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  Speaker 2: questions you may want to ask about it before I
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  Speaker 2: get started.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I just wanted to know basically, you gave me
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  Speaker 4: a little brief. Did we talked a little bit about it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, couldn't I really didn't read the the the
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  Speaker 4: case because I had mid turns and I did pass
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  Speaker 4: my mid terms. I did pass my mid turn so
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  Speaker 4: we got that out the way, and then by me
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  Speaker 4: flying to Denver, so I wasn't really I didn't really
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  Speaker 4: put the work in to read the case. And then
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  Speaker 4: I had, you know, other the men's was calling me
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  Speaker 4: check it in and you know, letting me know what
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  Speaker 4: was going.
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  Speaker 2: On with them. So you know, just.
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  Speaker 5: Right, just let us know about the about the case.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay.
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  Speaker 6: Now, when I come to prison nineteen seventy eight.
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  Speaker 2: Nineteen seventy when we came to put my prison system
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  Speaker 2: was basically at the law that you could system. My
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  Speaker 2: prison conditions was the hole for most the great couldn't
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  Speaker 2: uh conditions that anybody could live in. And back then
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  Speaker 2: we had you know, American City if the unions and
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  Speaker 2: different organizations being allowed to come in and check on
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  Speaker 2: inmates and you know, stuff like that to see what
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  Speaker 2: the prisoner was life. But still a lot of things
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  Speaker 2: are not being you know, okay, our medical departments, they
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  Speaker 2: were basically not running to the capacity that they needed
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  Speaker 2: to provide people with the proper medical cation commedia.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Inmates were saying the highest rate of expend because of
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  Speaker 2: team related incidents and you know, not the Giffer prop
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  Speaker 2: of medical assistance, and you know, indigent was being shot
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  Speaker 2: up to different types of medications that were not suitable
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  Speaker 2: for them and they were dying from that. And then
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  Speaker 2: not only that, back then was like you know, because
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  Speaker 2: of over crowding. Process was saying there was three inmates
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  Speaker 2: could sales, okay, and when three inmates to sale, they
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  Speaker 2: were so overcrowded back then that in nineteen seventy two
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  Speaker 2: were in all the class action about the condition.
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  Speaker 4: Hold on, hold on, Cornell. We got we we got
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  Speaker 4: a visitor just stepped in. Our our good friend, mister
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  Speaker 4: James Legate has joined us.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, mister Legate.
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  Speaker 6: Forgive Hello, Hello, Hello, forgiving for coming party, but I
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  Speaker 6: didn't have the calls to this Holle. It's not recognizing
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  Speaker 6: my voice for whatever.
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  Speaker 4: Reason, you know what, mister Legate. That's okay. Cornell's told
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  Speaker 4: me that yesterday when he did, I believe it was yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: I talked to Cornell. He said that it wasn't the
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  Speaker 4: phone wasn't recognizing his voice as well. But you know,
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  Speaker 4: I did explain to our listeners that you know, sometimes
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  Speaker 4: it's hard for you guys to get through to us.
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  Speaker 5: But that's okay. We're still going to push it. We're
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  Speaker 5: gonna still make it go through.
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  Speaker 4: And I gave him a little background of what was
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  Speaker 4: going on with over there were the facility that you located,
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  Speaker 4: and Cornell was giving us a little background on the case.
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  Speaker 5: So now we all caught up.
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  Speaker 2: And so.
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  Speaker 4: Again, mister Legate, I'm gonna go ahead and you introduce
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  Speaker 4: yourself and then we're gonna jump right back into the case.
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  Speaker 6: Hello, okay, thank you forget me for being made and hello,
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  Speaker 6: my name is James le Gay. I'm not a common unit.
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  Speaker 6: It be threes and I'm glad to be here. Thank
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  Speaker 6: you for having me.
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  Speaker 7: Shun you doing drum?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, sir, how you're doing at all?
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  Speaker 6: Back, ok great, great man, I'm back here too.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, okay, Okay, Well I was plainer to the audience.
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  Speaker 2: So the ruin persons, the sale stipulation of prison litigation
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  Speaker 2: informed that right, and I was basically saying that that's
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  Speaker 2: throughware that Bible class actions civil laws to because of
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  Speaker 2: the conditions that inmates were being pursed upon them, these
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  Speaker 2: conditions that vib laid us of eight Amendment rights of
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  Speaker 2: inmates because we were being denied proper medical assistance, were overpowdered,
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  Speaker 2: people were sleeping on braors, people were sweeping under the box,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, our facilities were just degrading, and the
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  Speaker 2: State of Texas was not putting enough money into the
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  Speaker 2: prison system in order to aliviate the problems. So the
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  Speaker 2: class action litigations actor was only designed to release the
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  Speaker 2: op problem of inmates. Okay, back then there was that
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  Speaker 2: ninety five percent capacity. So what happened then when you
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  Speaker 2: got the ninety four percent capacity, that all the prison
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  Speaker 2: systems had to be shut down, and that was forcing
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  Speaker 2: them to at least all of the inmates who were
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  Speaker 2: overcoming a bill right back up, So the prison litigations
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  Speaker 2: that it only allowed them to be able to come
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  Speaker 2: from federal guidelines to state guidelines. And when they've done that,
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  Speaker 2: the safe guidelines have allowed them to shine around and
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  Speaker 2: rebuild more prison systems. So now the prison's capacity of
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  Speaker 2: that one hundred and fifty percent capensity. So being that
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  Speaker 2: they have fill up more prisons and have build these
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  Speaker 2: prisoners up, they are trying to get away from the
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  Speaker 2: idea of claiming to be overcrowded. But our prison conditions
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  Speaker 2: are just as messed up to dating as they were
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  Speaker 2: back then, because the toilets don't work, the toilets are
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  Speaker 2: over blood, the shower but don't work, the sinks don't work,
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  Speaker 2: the water's contaminated and made the diamond from all different
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  Speaker 2: types of bacteriava in the water and catching all punds
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  Speaker 2: of diseases and stuff like this. So now because our
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  Speaker 2: state residences are responsible for the fundings that's being provided
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  Speaker 2: to the prison system, they are lagging on their jobs
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  Speaker 2: now because they're not doing anything to be able to
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  Speaker 2: put the funder their prison system that's needed.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, you know we're.
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  Speaker 4: At and you know I believe I talked to both
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  Speaker 4: you and mister Legate. Well when you got to Dominica.
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  Speaker 4: Was telling us that they was washing the trays in
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  Speaker 4: trash camps and that you guys didn't have no hot water.
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  Speaker 4: They didn't have no hot water where they can just
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  Speaker 4: wash the trays. They was just dipping the trays and
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  Speaker 4: water that has a little bleach in it. I believe
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  Speaker 4: that's what one of the guys had told me. That's
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  Speaker 4: how they was cleaning the trays. Mister Legate, can you
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  Speaker 4: let us.
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  Speaker 5: Know what's going on with over there with at the
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  Speaker 5: facility that you're at.
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  Speaker 6: Right well, you know, uh interview a little stuff that
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  Speaker 6: uh that was talking about. It's true about the dishwashing
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  Speaker 6: that we have the stamp out of here. The dishwashers
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  Speaker 6: don't work period, all right, So what they do is
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  Speaker 6: they gotta busly supposed to have bleaching, but you know
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  Speaker 6: nine disappears socause you want to rinchet it up with
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  Speaker 6: the with the with the water sure and just having
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  Speaker 6: out drinks like that that continues to go on now
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  Speaker 6: and doing the res balls who started back in dn't
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  Speaker 6: that many hunits. They were talking to me about twenty
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  Speaker 6: four thousand, five hundred and seventy five inmates total system.
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  Speaker 6: Four percent of that helper were females, but there was
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  Speaker 6: still female units and there was sixteen male units. Now
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  Speaker 6: within the years of the time because of the building tenders,
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  Speaker 6: the lack of fermy and psych medication, of psycho evaluations,
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  Speaker 6: dealing with the unconditional conditions of the confinement. That's what
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  Speaker 6: David Reis and several other offenders built into a class
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  Speaker 6: action against GDC J, which was supposed to be so
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  Speaker 6: that's over thirty years, it wasn't. A team of maybe
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  Speaker 6: two thousand and one GDC finally said hey, you know,
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  Speaker 6: let us call We're going to keep up the weeds
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  Speaker 6: and we're never going to violate these stipulations. That's a
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  Speaker 6: lie because within time that you.
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  Speaker 2: Could see it's a really been violated now here in
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  Speaker 2: the unit. It became system wise, it doune the tablet.
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  Speaker 6: I know, no cornpo reddit about any time an offender
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  Speaker 6: is caught with either either on drugs or whatever, you know,
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  Speaker 6: any kind of contraband, they're gonna lock down that unit,
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  Speaker 6: that section of the of the prisons for fifteen days.
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  Speaker 6: They're gonna puish everybody for one bad apple. So what
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  Speaker 6: they're doing is they're taking away your TV, they're taking
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  Speaker 6: away your commisary. They're taking away your phone calls, your vegetations.
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  Speaker 6: And this is creating a problem because in the nutshell,
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  Speaker 6: they're trying to say, hey, well, look, we need to
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  Speaker 6: stop all these people time, we need to stop drugs
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  Speaker 6: going on. So what we're gonna do is just to
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  Speaker 6: take care of it, even though they're not perfectly saying it.
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  Speaker 6: When you're punishing another inmate for what another inmate does,
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  Speaker 6: you deprivate in all forms of new process through the
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  Speaker 6: mechanism of displinary, all right, and they made this part
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  Speaker 6: of Ulie stipulations.
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  Speaker 2: And so what.
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  Speaker 6: Happens now and create the problem with these officers because
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  Speaker 6: now my mother, my grandfather or anybody, my wife, my kids,
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  Speaker 6: they're all going to come visit me. Some guy clucks up,
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  Speaker 6: and now I can give my visit because this guy
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  Speaker 6: is so of course, because you made him up for
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  Speaker 6: whatever the scenariood. But what's also going to happen is
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  Speaker 6: that in Germany can help them too, and if another
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  Speaker 6: offender wants to, he can actually press charges on it.
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  Speaker 6: And so now you're going to have an assault charge
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  Speaker 6: and it's going to be a stack sentence. Now TDTT
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  Speaker 6: is going to say no, we're not including that. We're
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  Speaker 6: not we're not condoning that type of action. But if
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: people look at it, they really are. It actually violates
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: their whole policy. They got an ADS eighty three oh
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: two on the Administrative Directive Writers and Provisible Health under content.
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: In other words, it says contender shall not convey the
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: orders or instructions from staff from a staff member to
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: another offender. Okay, now this is what they're trying to say. No,
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: they're doing drunk because it's bad. So their vibration right there,
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: it says recommend actions for a guiness, for own a kid,
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: any privilege to another offender. Well, you're telling them, Look,
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: it's if you continue this, we're gonna beat you up
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: because now you're taking away my privilege. You see, TDH
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: has this policy what they're doing, and it's Bronan Caller
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: who with the director of GDCJ, they implemented this policy.
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: In other words, all the orders got together. What the
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: directors are saying, Look, you got a fake drug problem
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: in the system that's causing a lot of deaths. So
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: when you call us all these vants, what happens? They
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: don't have no justification. They try to say, well, with
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: the cardiac cares whatever it was there, it was that. Well, actually,
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: if people were wise, if they were going to have
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: their sons or daughter or whatever have an octop feeling
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: and put out, why did they pay? Because yes, K
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: two cause cardiac ris But.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: If they're you young, why they died? They shouldn't have
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: to that like this. They're just they're drug addicts and
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: a lot of people. I got admit, there's a lot.
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: Of people that are drug addicts in this penitentiary. And
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: I'm not talking about just you. This year, they a
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: copy system wide. You see what I'm saying. But now
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: now comes to question who's giving them the drugs? If
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: they know that these drug addicts and that people are
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: going to get punished for what these drug addicts do,
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: all right, they need to also consider it for who's
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: supplying it.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: If you're giving it to this person.
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: Knowing that he's a drug addgnoring that he made me
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: cause this problem, well they're contributing to this factory, which
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: is really a sad, sad situation because who's right and
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: who's what. I can't tell another man how to do
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: his time.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I cannot do that, And.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: So I believe I believe talking.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: About second job. Okay, okay, I'm going up the line
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: that I gave him and has spend more money on
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: the boarder than he has the technics crement systems. Now, okay,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: these individuals that's now enforsumated in the legacy processes, they
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: have taken rehabilitation out of our systems. So now these
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: people don't have no incentitives in order to do better.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: They claim that these little programs that they do have
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: are classifier the rehabilitated programs, but they don't have the
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: staff and the resources in order to provide these can't
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: put the resources that they need in order to reabilitate
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: back into the facts. So what they're doing they make
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: up people, make ship programs, classifiers EMPTC, which is management
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: training corporation programs, and they sticking these inmates and these
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: programs as an angle management in an A and A
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: program and they don't have nothing to provide these individuals
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: just to allow them to get up and speak for
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: five minutes and that's it for the curriculum that's backdated
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: to the last twenty years ago, and that's it. So
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: now these Unians they'll have nothing to hold on to
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: man so what do they do. They forced to turn
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: the drugs, They force turn the box, they force the amounting.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: That's the negative because they don't have nothing here in
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: the system that's helping them to recintegrate back into the
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: pot the drugs.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: Man, So you know what else can they do?
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: My my question is this, how is the drugs getting
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: in there? At the at the visitors that's coming in
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: there are being searched in everything, how how you know,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: how's the how's it getting in there?
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: I believe, I mean, I believe, I believe that some
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: of the staff have a have a contributation of that.
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: That's just why they were supposed to pass out the
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: body camps uh January. In fact, they were supposed to
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: pass them out before that, but they didn't change to January.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: And they still have this other because they go for
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: one the the officers quit and they already go that.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Man, if I were there's money camp, they're gonna.
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: See everything I do.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: So that's gonna put them in a spot instead A
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: pretty to to. I believe it was the Sunset Committee.
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: They had a they had a n open session on YouTube,
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: I believe it was, and they were talking.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: About about there there are six thousand jobs.
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: Opening right now, and they recommend it to close some
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: units so they can staff them. And if they did
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: staff them, they can have an officer they said back
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: for around each on each pod and whatever to their job.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: But they don't do this, they don't have none. Said
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: that they expect a fighter to do that for them.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: He will see. So what happens is it was I believe.
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: They would be some contributation because.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that are pretty.
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: Uh upticking it and how they do maybe how they
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: smuggle stuff or whatever. But I believe that the most
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: because everything's on paid for now and it's hard for
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: us to be because we can get no paper no more.
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: You know, our letters have to go straight to Dallas
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: and it goes to a mail system processing cate. We
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: get it on our tablets, don't email. We get actually
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: it's either from a modified approved in a Bible class
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: or Bible study place or or or your lawyer.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: So so taking that into consideration, you try.
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: To blow it down to one of the most obvious
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: or the most.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Successful way to be bringing it in.
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: You see, I see people coming in every day every day,
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: every day and taking you know, all of a sudden,
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: it pops up, It pops up, It pops us and
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: pops up.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: So I mean, and that's my opinion. Do I have proof?
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: No, And I'm not going to say I do because
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: I know, But do I believe this? If they do,
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: that's my that's my opinion. And uh, because I know
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: that they got so many cameras can be in the
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: visitation that if they do catch somebody, they may catch
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: make me want or to do something, you see what
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: I'm saying. But nine time such a thing, I believe
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: it's it's it's the officer's.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Bringing it in.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: And you know, and fentanyl is such a potent drug.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: You know from what I understand that that you can
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: just smell it or touch it and you know, you
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: go down and you know that I wouldn't understand how
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: a visitor will be bringing fentanyl in or or even
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: heron I heard, well one of the mothers have posted
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: on a group that they had shut down a unit
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: because someone had hairon in there.
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: Right right, it's like that, but you know a lot
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: of a lot of people can ate like Mcalma unit
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: has a family and friends white website on right and
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: right there a lot of family and friends of the
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: presidents of Facebook actually you know and have family or
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: the Union Ocama unit actually talk about a lot of
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: stuff that's going on in here. So that people don't
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: believe it. They can either go out there and just
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: google Accona to see everything that's going on. They're also
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: because a lot of these family that I hear because
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: I don't ever have access to it, or nobody tells me.
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: But the people who do, they do tell me that
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: that is what they talked about. They we're talking about
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: it's a new policy that they just implemented, and saying
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: how wrong it is. But it's hard for anybody to
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: do anything about it.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: What can we do?
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, I can. I can tell a grievance
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: and say, hey, look you buy an agent under that's
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: just constitution. We're the only ones that just had the
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: privilege concluded in their work. It's not included in the
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: United States Constitution. But with all my actuality, everything that
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: I've earned, my being, doing my time in a positive way, right,
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: I earned that privilege. So if you take away my privilege,
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: you have to give me due course of law. In
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: other words, give me the pace. Tell me what I'm
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: being punished for and so forth and so forth. They
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: don't do this, they do anybody. Now they're punishing everybody
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: for somebody else selections. And to me, it's a constitutional
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: But what can we say, what can we do what prisoners?
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: It takes people like anybody out there if they want
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: to like maybe they got to considers. Hey, do you
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: know what I got to use media? I'd like to
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: know what's going on with the coming or with TVC
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: with bronn in coffin. Why did he give one.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: That this policy in the first place?
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: You know, because some people are gonna get beat up.
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: Some people are going to get they got to catch out.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: In other words, they're gonna force him to move out
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: of that section or whatever, because it's already has to
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: go over here. That some guy got caught up with
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: something and they ran him out and he goes to another door.
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: I don't know, you can't get over here. Come on,
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: get out of here. If the prisoners are running those doors,
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: stuff and keep in the administration. If there's allowing other.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: To do this so we go to some other section
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: of the building. You gotta do this wrong.
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: And putting them in one sition of the of the
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: unit in a cousing together.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: The problems, right, I think Cornell want to jump in Cornell, Well, yes, ma'am.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: See, that's a system that's been going on for years,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: maw where they try to punish. It's called the corporal punishment.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Corporal punishment is a punishment that if one man may
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: do something, we're gonna punish everybody so that demparadizes the
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: life that individual. While because if some guy feel like
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: he needs to be punished.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Their do that.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, But what's going on right now?
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: Man?
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: You know it's gonna be hard to time a lot
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: of this stuff that's going on until we can get
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: our families involved in this and have our families go
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: ahead and put the pressure on the state representatives and
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: need take the senators now, and our detective governments now,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: and the force deep and these advocacy groups who's claiming
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: about crying of our criminal justice reform. This in this
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: text of in the Families Association and the Texas Prism
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: alliances and all of these individuals will claim in criminal
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: justice reform. We need pressure on these individuals from our
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: family in order to get these people do their job
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: to create got the medical assistant to create douttle programs
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: for these individual kids up and have to be able
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: to integrate back into society to.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: Get the two that they need.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: And this is what we do need, man, because we're
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: not gonna stop drugs from coming in and at these
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: alsos are the ones were running in ringing in right,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: So what do we do? We have to put pressure
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: on our representatives through a paying the bills. These are
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: the ones put the funds for the but you know,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: like how to get involved.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: Like you know, like we be.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Talking Cordnal and mister Legable and we be talking also
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: and you know, and I tell you guys, what was
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: personally to me.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: I believe that.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: With with this new administrator, that's that's in the office
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: right now, that's taken everybody focuses on what are the
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: what they're doing?
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: What what are they doing?
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: They taken off they whatever they was applicant applicating for.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: They don'e took the focus off of that and they
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: don't put it over here on number forty seven. See
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: what he you know, all he's doing on is he's
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: doing that. Let's stop worrying about what he's doing. Okay, Yes,
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: we understand that you know what he's doing. He's he's
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: running them unk, that's what he's doing. Were putting our
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: we're taking our our focus off what the big picture
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: is and putting it over here on this when he's
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: gonna do whatever he's going to what he's what he's
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: going to do. You know that's why I you know,
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: when you said that athlete the I talked to some
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: of them and that their focus is not right here
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: with the men and women that's currently serving time on
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: rocal conviction over a sentence. And I reached out to
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: some of the applicants over there in Texas and I
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: told them, you know, you guys got James Legate there.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: You guys haven't even talked to them. You know, i'd
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: be going on the prison show, so you know, and
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: I and I put you guys name out.
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: There, and I get a message backward like how do
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: you talk to them? Like they called me?
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they want to know how we're talking to talk. Yeah,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: that's that's that they want to know that. Now they're
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: trying to figure out our program. But the corner that
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: I can concern about the real frominal reform that we're
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: trying to get them another one they're talking about some
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: just some little phons so that we're here the only
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: family aware of the problem. But they're not just to
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: make family aware of the that's what.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: And you and you're right about that, they're not.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: Because I'm in them groups, I look at them groups.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: I may not say anything to them, but I see
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: what some of the focuses is mainly about some of
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: the some of the wives. They want to know how
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: do they get their husband called? Okay, how do they
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: get their call off? That's not that's not important. Why
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: do you need his call af your I mean, who
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: can I mean, I understand what what he cheating on you?
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: And something? You know, That's not the focus right right now.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: Let's talk about how to change some of these laws
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: and not calling a counselors getting called off. Let's stop
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: making foolish petitions about things that they gonna they probably deny.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: Let's let's do something else with that time and energy
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: instead of just like talking nonsense inside of the groups.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: Mister legate, do you have anything.
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: Well, I just like to I would just like to
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: say that people really need to understand that there's a
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: lot of a lot of yes that are going on
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: in TVCJ a lot of them, and it's de pintly
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: being that nobody questions. I feel for the family. I
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: feel for the for the family delt who passed away.
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: I mean, I've seen people in here, especially in my
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: deception with it takes months, people die because of well
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: when I hear it is because of of that K
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: two stuff that they smoke, some of them money, they
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: even talk to you. I don't even know. I can
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: seem around and because I'm really I'm really I'm not
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: like that type super but I only uh, I don't
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: like to deal with people who who pass their time
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: in a negative way, I said, with something but positive people.
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: And if people don't even want to help, like to
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: helpful even the people who do time in any way.
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: But I'm asking is if people should really reach out
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: to their senators. Their play is the representatives you know,
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: and and and ask hey, you know, gets up at
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: maybe two o'clock in the morning doing random shiekdowns and
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: try to get the off guards. And so now they're
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: giving a great deprivation because they want these people to
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: come in, you know. And and it's all because.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Of the books.
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: It's all because they do not want to set a
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: platform that can actually try to help and educate the younger.
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: Offender.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Center and present.
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: You've got people come in with.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: With my senators.
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: We've got murders, you got a rapists, you got all
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: kind of criminals. Criminal uh, people who have done all
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: kinds of criminal activity. But the fact is to they
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: deserve to be realitated. I think. So, I think everybody
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: the chance, everybody deserves a space to vote so that
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: they can try to do something to other than with
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: the time. Yeah, they get a couple of programs here
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: that some of them light do which is from around
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: religious program but other than some of them use it
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: as a game. You know, everything is basically getting games now.
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: And it sentenced me because especially when I see these
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: young individuals, you know, how they're wasting their life away.
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: They could not realize it. And what's said is it
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: because they always can constantly getting money from their families
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: who love them, you know, and instead of finding a
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: compensation for themselves, they're using all that money, all that
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: conversary to give it to the guy who's given them
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: the drugs.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: So, I mean, we have a question from Patrees. She
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: would like to know are there any drug programs available
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: inside of there. Do they offer drug programs in there?
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: Well, but you haven't an a however, to give that
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: program is very hard. But the way it is, right,
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: you know, short step. I mean, they're super short of stuff.
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: They're not having no kind of programs at all. They
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: do have a program that's along with the recovery uttle
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: recovery program. Right, but you have people in there that
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: shouldn't even be there, people who don't even do drugs,
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: People don't do this or do that.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: But they kick out people.
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: Who have a problem if you have a problem, trying
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: to help them to rehabilitate themselves to become a better person.
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: They're not saying, oh no, well you can't do this
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: because if if we find out that you're smoking, we're
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: going to kick you out. Well, that's not the recovery program.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: The recovery program might think that you have. If you
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: do have that problem, you can stop them, talk to
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: them and try to get helpful. But they're not doing that.
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: So that I asked your.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: Question, Yes, did that answer your question for trees?
• 42:43
  Speaker 7: You know?
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: So you so without the programs, they just I just
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: I just hanging out you.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, and now there's nothing they can do. There's
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: over Yeah, there's nothing they can do.
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: There's no recreation. We don't have no recreation because short
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: of staff being.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: The trade.
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: You know. Yes, there's a long waiting lists and stuff
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: like this, and you have to be case free. But
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: even now because for three years to be closed the
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: creators now you has certain people that get you go
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: and have it in daught this program, you know, and
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: I pay for myself. I've been once three years, so
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: I can't do nothing. I can't uh practice by trade.
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: But that's okay because I do my time in a
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: positive way anyway. You know me, I'm always playing my gage.
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: I'm always looking at reading and searching and trying to
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: keep myself out so maybe I can do something when
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: I do get out, trying to help somebody, trying to
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: help the system, trying to get that change, trying to
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: talk to legislators myself. If I can, I would go
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: to the magister your session and speak and behaving with
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: the own system, because I do believe it needs changed,
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: you know, I do believe it because people do need
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: to be punished for private they committed. I do agree
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: with that. However, there's a certain point and time where
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: everybody needs to gain some kind of a discipline, some
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: kind of education, some kind of motives, you know, to
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: help them, you know, to uh uh bring them back
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: to society and to see what life is really about,
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: what they're really missing. You know, it's not all about
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: the hustle, is the puzzle or just the party and
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: all this stuff, or trying to be anxious that you're
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: not you know, it's just trying to be a humble
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: person that can go out into the world and be responsible.
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: And that's what that's the way they're supposed to do this.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: They're supposed to.
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: Commit rehabilitation forward these offenders and just maybe they're not doing.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: And yeah, and and it is very sad because once
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: the one want, once their release and they haven't been
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: given the proper tools to come back into society, they
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: want to reoffend again. And I sometimes I be thinking
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: that that's what they depend on. Oh, you know, he
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: gonna go out there, he gonna get in trouble, or
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: she gonna go out there and get in trouble.
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: She'll be back, She'll.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: Be back in and probably little do we know, they
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: probably be putting back so like, oh, he'll be back
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: in here like two months, three months, and you know,
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: and then here he comes back in. You know, So
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: how do I mean once again? You know, I do
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: believe that there's power and voices if we all come
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: together and speak out against what's going on in these prisons.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: You know, you can go on Facebook and enter into
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: these prison groups and you can see how many men,
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: how many women, especially the men are in these prisons
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: as getting the fentonel pay too in their overdose. Mister Legate,
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: I know you got one minute left, so I'm gonna
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: go ahead and let you give your final thought and also,
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: well I'll do it for you.
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: I will give them your change dot Org.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Okay.
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: What I'd like to say is that you know, want
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: enough about TVC what they implemented, because you have to
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: have self super rehabilitation. If you want to rehabilitate yourself.
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: They're saying they will go to school, get it, g
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: do whatever you're gonna do. But there is no most
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: for these people. Everybody takes care of these because they
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: love them. They send them money, they do what everything
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: can because they help them out. Now when they get
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: up into the world, they say, hey, well now you've
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: got to get a job. You gotta get responsible, you
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: gotta do this, you gonna do But they can't do that.
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: They rather they rather work for a staff work or
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: or dollar you know flint stuff here, redid they go
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: out there making money and make it productive?
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: But I believe because family's love.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, So we have Cornell back. Mister Legate. Time
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: ran ran out. And you know mister Legate is currently
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: in uh Texas fighting abron for conviction.
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: We had him on here many a time talking about
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: his conviction.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: If you guys haven't got to change dot org, look
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: up just where's the justice for James Legate? And please
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: sign his change dot org because he is an innocent
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: man in prison. So Cornell, welcome back.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am, I'm back and I appreciate being back. Man,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: yes ma'am. Okay, So we.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: Was talking about we had a a question come up.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Patrice asked a question about drug programs. If there were
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: any drug programs in the in the prison.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, that's a good question to be asked, man,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: I have been Okay, just put it like this. This
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: is a sham process, man, Okay, I am getting one
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: right now. This is specified as the management Training Corporation,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: which is a profit facility, a private entity. And what
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: they're doing is that the roll board would make you
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: would recommend you to be pakeful one of these programs.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: What NTDC. We do have AA programs and other church
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: programs in order to help people to try to stay
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: away from drugs and stuff like that. But no, we
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: do not have any positive programs here in the prison
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: system Texas that would help these kids get off of
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: drug man, you do not have that, So we can't
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: tick it, code it in line and say that we do.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: We don't because mister Legate was telling us that it
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: wasn't any programs over there for them to do that.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: They basically, I just guess they just hanging out, not
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: doing nothing. So if they just over there hanging out
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: and not doing anything, that's a prime way to start,
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: you know, indulging, you know, thinking that Okay, I'm gonna
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: go over here and I'm gonna do this, and this
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: just gonna send me floating out of prison for a
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: minute and then I come back to reality. But sometimes
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: some of them gonna snap out of it. They over
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: there down overdose.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, ma'am, I'm speaking ma'am. Okay, if kids don't
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: have no intentions, ma'am to do better, it will not
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: do better. If we have no programs, kids have to
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: do better. They don't know but that and do better.
• 50:00
  Speaker 7: Man.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: So with that being said, now, since I've been in
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: this prison system now all my life now, there has
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: been no productive drug realitation programs within the system to
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: be able to help these kids to be able to
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: refrain from using dugs. Okay, Now, when the black market
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: came in, when they stopped selling cigarettes in the physic system,
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: the black market came in. Wow, because you had TDC
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: officers knowing that they can make an extra bug by
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: bringing in baccles. Then they started bringing in other stuff cocaine, weed, ecstasy,
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: everything else that the hatmaker used in order to medicate
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: themselves from the reality of being incarcerated behind prison walls
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: in these unsanitary prison conditions. And this is what's going
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: on right now. So what our Texas for roll Board
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: did was this, they said, well, okay, the only way
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: you can make the role is that we're going to
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: recommend you to get taked to a drug real beef
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: a station program at the end of your CYEMS. Once
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: you make the role. But mind yourself. Some of these
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: people have a pin for fifty six or even life sentences. Man.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: And the little programs that they do have in here,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: a program that's the inmates trying to teach other inmate
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: away from juniors. Man. They don't have no counselors that
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: come up in here and to be able to teach
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: you how to get away from drugs and to give
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: you the tools that they able to you that you
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: we don't have that.
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: You know now, I just gotta say this before I
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: forget it. You said that they offer you the program
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: at the end of your sentence. Why they don't Why
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: do they do that? Why they don't offer it? Doing
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: your doing the incarceration, I would think why they're incarcerated,
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: you would want to start introducing them to that then
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: that way they can start making the changes before the
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: time to uh.
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: Exit the system.
• 52:05
  Speaker 7: Okay, because this is what they're doing.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: They're placing us.
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: They're placing us into.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: This Management Training Corporation program, which is a require chief
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: that time tracking with the State of Texas that's making
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: millions and millions of dollars off of the state. From
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: some other meetings, and everybody got their hands in the
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: cookie jar man. Now mind yourself. This is a private facility.
• 52:32
  Speaker 7: That we're in.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: This is not the parole board. The parole board put
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: us in this. So how is it logy and possible
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: that this provfity right now is making billions of dollars
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: off of six thousand inmates who have already made parole,
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: but they only got two thousand days. So you've got
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: people that's waiting and waiting and waiting.
• 52:52
  Speaker 8: To get for this program, and they can't get you a.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: While because they don't have enough mis states for these independents.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Those things in corporations getting paid money for us just shouldn't.
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: You And you know, and I think that's just just crazy.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Crazy, Okay, that's just crazy.
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: You know, you know how you gonna hold how would
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: somebody mad p row you would think that, Okay, you
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: gave them a fund, they made parrole and they're gonna
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: be out this day, whether I know in California, I
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: believe it.
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: They give THEE.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: One hundred and twenty more days before their release, yes, ma'am,
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: But they send you, they send U you guys program.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Yes and yes, and so the programs that they're sentemas
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: too was like that, I make the role today and
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: the recommend man FI six and the A six is
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: a six month program.
• 53:50
  Speaker 7: That's this program that I'm in.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: Give you a three month extension day, so you have
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: to be.
• 53:56
  Speaker 8: At the program from that day you want to roll
• 53:59
  Speaker 8: three months later. Are like me, I came here and
• 54:01
  Speaker 8: I opposed to hear in Octo, but I can't get
• 54:04
  Speaker 8: here until January. So these four months, if they had
• 54:07
  Speaker 8: me waiting to get here, they put that on the
• 54:10
  Speaker 8: ends of the air box. So none of my release
• 54:13
  Speaker 8: dy does not until July the fourteenth.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: But how is that like bepluncible?
• 54:19
  Speaker 8: But he gave me an air fix six far from
• 54:22
  Speaker 8: October to April the first.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: No, my release day now July the fourteenth.
• 54:29
  Speaker 8: But these people are getting money from me being here
• 54:31
  Speaker 8: in this program.
• 54:32
  Speaker 7: Because they don't have enough, their says, ma'am.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: And they are holding us behind and making these people
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: to eighteen nineteen more even to get here.
• 54:40
  Speaker 7: And you know, so this is a problem.
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: Did they just get a million dollars to make kay?
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am, Okay, I'm here the demeanin stay there studing
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: the facility units, now, okay, and I just come from
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: the colony you're in the coney. You're to just get
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: bad as as the common unit.
• 55:02
  Speaker 7: Okay, well, these people don't care. Got a million dollars
• 55:05
  Speaker 7: uh to fix.
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: The facility up.
• 55:07
  Speaker 8: The money is the bottom of the medical department and
• 55:10
  Speaker 8: the bottom of the kitchen.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Man, it's flooded with water all the way to the
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: top of the seeds. So because of that, they don't
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: have no hot water in.
• 55:18
  Speaker 8: The kitchen whatsoever, man at all. So the food tide
• 55:22
  Speaker 8: that they are using it of being washed in trashcans
• 55:25
  Speaker 8: with a little beef water and that disappears, aches out,
• 55:28
  Speaker 8: and then the water sold and the trades that we're eating.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: From a crazy train.
• 55:33
  Speaker 8: So now with that being saigment, the.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Heat, the contaminated trees, and now.
• 55:38
  Speaker 8: They don't have no water popper water to give us
• 55:40
  Speaker 8: because the walls contaminated.
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: So now he so officers they get bottle water.
• 55:46
  Speaker 7: They bring eat eating bottled water.
• 55:47
  Speaker 8: I'm looking at eight stacks the bottle of water in
• 55:50
  Speaker 8: the picket right now for the office cases of.
• 55:53
  Speaker 7: The bottle of water.
• 55:55
  Speaker 8: And they eat from paper trades. But we can't eat
• 55:58
  Speaker 8: from the paper trade. We have to eat from the
• 56:00
  Speaker 8: same treading that they give us.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: The Depp.
• 56:03
  Speaker 8: And if I tell you these treatings are so briefy.
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: That ma'am can say, and the food and I can
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: only imagine.
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: I can just you know, talking to the men over
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: there Domingos Unit, you know, so missing on the gate
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: and seeing and everybody telling me how they water them trades.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: They just dipping them in water and trash.
• 56:28
  Speaker 8: Can and that. Right now, man, who are complaining about
• 56:43
  Speaker 8: some problem with the kischen or something and uh, I
• 56:46
  Speaker 8: forgot some name of it. Bro get up for a
• 56:49
  Speaker 8: second up here, I'm trying to think of.
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 56:52
  Speaker 8: Now, it's coming to be a problem of the coming
• 56:56
  Speaker 8: up with these body diseases and they don't know what
• 56:59
  Speaker 8: it's from.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: And do just identified it today. And you know, when
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: this guy told me about it the other day, I
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: didn't know for sure that's what it was.
• 57:13
  Speaker 7: He said, his kidney is.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: A something that's wrong with him.
• 57:15
  Speaker 6: Man.
• 57:16
  Speaker 8: That's another two were doing the thing, identical things. Man,
• 57:19
  Speaker 8: So it's got to be from this world up something
• 57:22
  Speaker 8: that's you know, that's these people of feeding us man.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, kidneystone, that's what he was trying.
• 57:37
  Speaker 7: To figure out. That's what they're trying to say. Yeah,
• 57:45
  Speaker 7: this is a holiday. Oh, this is the holiday, mister.
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: Holiday is the one I have that was recently diagnosed
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: with a mess.
• 57:54
  Speaker 8: Right, no, ma'am, that's left the young.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: But the holiday is the one that had they we
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: call mandation. Oh okay, okay, yes.
• 58:06
  Speaker 7: Lam, yes, so man, this is the problem. So the
• 58:11
  Speaker 7: the people are not.
• 58:12
  Speaker 8: Giving any problematical assistance lens for these people. Electric people
• 58:16
  Speaker 8: get off of these dewty trade. I'm talking about washing
• 58:19
  Speaker 8: trade in cover water. And as far as the facility,
• 58:22
  Speaker 8: we don't get no recreation over here.
• 58:23
  Speaker 7: It's a twenty four hour lockdown facility.
• 58:25
  Speaker 8: We don't get no recreation over here. And as far
• 58:28
  Speaker 8: as the compound erode it, I can't do nothing, man.
• 58:35
  Speaker 8: So you know, the conditions are so bad that it's sad.
• 58:38
  Speaker 7: And we're asking for.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: Our representatives to come and walk through these.
• 58:42
  Speaker 8: Units to look at them, because if they can see
• 58:46
  Speaker 8: for themselves what we're complaining about, that's.
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: All we ask, man, So that they can see what
• 58:52
  Speaker 7: we're seeing and what we're saying, that's all we.
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: Ask, man. And you know.
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: We're not I look in the in the groups.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: And I see.
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: What they're what they're posting. They're not posting anything that's
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: really alarming. Now people need to go check out the
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: prison system or anything like that.
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: They just talking a bunch of nonsense. So how do
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: we get We got three minutes for now, How can
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: we get in good?
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: How?
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: What?
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: What's what would y'all like for us?
• 59:36
  Speaker 7: Okay, well, ma'am, you have opened the door a riad
• 59:39
  Speaker 7: of yourself.
• 59:40
  Speaker 8: Okay, the the Print show, it's a power that.
• 59:43
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• 59:48
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• 59:53
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• 59:59
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• 1:00:01
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• 1:00:03
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• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: So what let's ask for us to do?
• 1:00:07
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• 1:00:09
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• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: To invite these individuals to come over.
• 1:00:13
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• 1:00:15
  Speaker 8: podcast and let us open.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: Up a dialogue of discussions about reforming our text criminal
• 1:00:21
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• 1:00:22
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• 1:00:25
  Speaker 8: founidies to get involved, to get involved into the real relationships,
• 1:00:28
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• 1:00:31
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• 1:00:35
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• 1:00:39
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• 1:00:42
  Speaker 8: man right, what we have a problem system now that
• 1:00:46
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• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: The question is what is wrong with our comp justice system?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 7: How do we yeah the question?
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: And on that note, we got it up to minutes.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: I just want to say thank you Fordal for joining us,
• 1:01:04
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• 1:01:07
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• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: And encourage you guys to get involved.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: If you have loved ones that's currently incarcerated, I can't
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: stress this enough. Please check on them, regardless whatever, please
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: check on them.
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  Speaker 5: Don't just don't leave them in there. And let's be
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  Speaker 5: a voice for them, for the wives.
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  Speaker 4: And mothers and stuff. Stop calling their counselors asking.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: For their car laws. Leave that alone. Let's bring something else.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: Let's talk about laws, changing these.
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  Speaker 4: Laws, getting our men's back home, getting them rebilitated so
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  Speaker 4: they can be protected citizens when the come out whenever release.
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  Speaker 5: I love you guys, and I look forward to talking
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: to you guys. Again. I believe next.
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  Speaker 4: Month I have the first and third Mondays of every month,
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  Speaker 4: Me and Cornell is going to be here. And on
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  Speaker 4: that note, don't forget to drink your water and stay
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  Speaker 4: your own own lane.
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  Speaker 2: We love you and see you later, Okay,