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The End Game in Iran, Trump/Xi Summit, and Midterm Mania · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Hugh Hewitt Show. I'm guest host Kurt Schlichter,
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  Speaker 2: let me tell you. Now, for those of you just
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  Speaker 2: tuning in, who the heck am I and why am
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  Speaker 2: I here? Well, let me tell you. I am a
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  Speaker 2: retired United States Army infantry colonel. I met Hugh for
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  Speaker 2: the first time when he came and spoke at my
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  Speaker 2: Hugh go off to Kosovo and see the 1st of
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  Speaker 2: But I don't really do that anymore. I kind of
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  Speaker 2: do this stuff. I guest host a lot for Hugh
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  Speaker 2: That's right, Beat the Press. Not loving the press right now.
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  Speaker 2: Having some run-ins with the press personally. That may come
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  Speaker 2: up a little later when we talk to some of
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  Speaker 2: our other guests. And we've got some great guests coming up.
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  Speaker 2: Election Day, November 3rd. I don't know if that's auspicious
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  Speaker 2: will be auspicious or not, to be sure. But you
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  Speaker 2: American Warlord. It's a fun novel. It's really cool. You'll
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  Speaker 2: love American Warlord. Let's get right into it. Let's take
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  Speaker 2: a moment and appreciate where we are. Let's be present
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  Speaker 2: in the glory that is having President Donald Trump, because
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  Speaker 2: it's not We're not always going to have him as
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  Speaker 2: a president. I'm sorry to say. I feel like it
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  Speaker 2: was under Reagan. You just assumed it would go on forever.
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  Speaker 2: But times will change. He will move on to do
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  Speaker 2: other things. But while he's here, let's enjoy him. Let's
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  Speaker 2: savor the uniqueness of having a president who takes America's
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  Speaker 2: side in a fight. Cut number one.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we've had great conversations.
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  Speaker 1: I think we just, we're the most respected country in
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  Speaker 1: the world.
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  Speaker 2: Two years ago, we were laughed at, we were mocked.
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  Speaker 2: We were like a bunch of fools.
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  Speaker 4: We're the most respected country anywhere in the world, by far.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the way it goes.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: We're the most respected country in the world. And if
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  Speaker 2: you look at things and ignore the garbage regime media,
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  Speaker 2: you'll understand why. Because Donald Trump is resetting the strategic chessboard.
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  Speaker 2: You remember that game Risk used to play when you
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  Speaker 2: were a kid? Donald Trump's doing it in real life.
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  Speaker 2: He's getting the choke points. He's taking opposing pieces off
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  Speaker 2: the board. He is setting America up for a century
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  Speaker 2: of success. Look, I'm not overplaying it. And I got
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  Speaker 2: a little background in this. I am a graduate of
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  Speaker 2: the United States Army War College. Again, it's a party
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  Speaker 2: war college. I get it. But I've got my master's
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  Speaker 2: in strategic studies. And I think I know a little
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  Speaker 2: about this stuff. And what I see is win after
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  Speaker 2: win after win. What about Iran, Kurt? What about Iran?
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  Speaker 2: There's this thing called strategic patience. You need to start
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  Speaker 2: having it. While Xi is here in America, Xi, president
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  Speaker 2: of our most dangerous opponent. Trump is still dealing with Iran,
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  Speaker 2: and he's dealing with them the hard way.
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  Speaker 5: Cut to.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he's going to be talking about Iran with Xi,
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  Speaker 2: and Xi's got a lot to talk about. Because Trump
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  Speaker 2: is taking Xi's resources. The Chinese don't have oil. They
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  Speaker 2: need to get it from somewhere. They were getting it
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  Speaker 2: from Venezuela. Well, that's done, right? They were getting it
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  Speaker 2: from Iran. That's not happening anymore. We're blockading them. We
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  Speaker 2: are using the economic lever of national power. We've used
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  Speaker 2: the military lever. We've used the diplomatic lever. If you
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  Speaker 2: can believe it, Donald Trump has got it so that
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  Speaker 2: in the same war against a Muslim enemy, you have
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  Speaker 2: Arab nations and Israelis both flying missions on the same side.
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  Speaker 4: Boom!
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  Speaker 2: My mind's exploding. It's incredible. It's incredible what Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: has done. And people should appreciate it. He's also picked
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  Speaker 2: one heck of a winning team. Among the superstars, Scott Besson,
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  Speaker 2: our Treasury Secretary. Let's hear what he said to Brett
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  Speaker 2: Barry yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: Cut three.
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  Speaker 6: We are squeezing the Iranians like they've never seen. Today,
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  Speaker 6: I would say that the external flights from Iran, probably
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  Speaker 6: more than 80 or 90 percent of them got shut down.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not sure how the Iranian representatives at the U.N.
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  Speaker 6: are going to get home. So we have made it
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  Speaker 6: very clear around the world, whether it's the financiers, the
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  Speaker 6: people who are doing business, the people who are supplying
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  Speaker 6: the Iranians, we know who you are, you know who
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  Speaker 6: you are, and we are going to prosecute and execute
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  Speaker 6: your companies and your bank accounts every day and every week.
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  Speaker 5: Ouch.
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  Speaker 2: Scott Besant, once again, cut four.
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  Speaker 6: In terms of constricting and cutting off the financial oxygen
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  Speaker 6: to them. And I don't know whether it's going to
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  Speaker 6: be a week, a month, or two months, but they
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  Speaker 6: are going to yell uncle. And the goal here can
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  Speaker 6: be one of three states of the world. One, the
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  Speaker 6: regime turns on each other. Not impossible. Two, we get
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  Speaker 6: some kind of uprising from the Iranian people. They probably
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  Speaker 6: killed 50,000 of their own population, so very difficult. And
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  Speaker 6: then three, to get the Iranians to, if they want
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  Speaker 6: to make a deal, to stick to the deal. As
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  Speaker 6: President Trump said at the beginning of August, he didn't
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  Speaker 6: think the Iranians were ready for a deal. We gave
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  Speaker 6: the MOU a try on June 3rd. And then the Iranians,
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  Speaker 6: a few weeks later, began firing on ships in the
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  Speaker 6: strait and being very aggressive. And this time, if there
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  Speaker 6: is a deal, I guarantee you they're going to stick
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  Speaker 6: with it.
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  Speaker 7: Of course.
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  Speaker 2: Benjamin Netanyahu was in New York City for the UN
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  Speaker 2: General Assembly. I guess Madani couldn't arrest him, did he?
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  Speaker 2: He gets up to address it, and a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: people walk out. What a bunch of losers. Cut number five.
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  Speaker 8: Mr.
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  Speaker 3: President, before I begin, just a quick announcement. If there
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  Speaker 3: are any other moral cowards who haven't yet left this hall,
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  Speaker 3: Please do so now. Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 2: What a stud. Special forces in Israel has led its
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  Speaker 2: country to defeat its enemies. He's an amazing guy. Here's
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  Speaker 2: what he had to say to these losers at the UN.
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  Speaker 2: Cut five.
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  Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, 14 years ago, I stood on this
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  Speaker 3: podium and I drew a red line. I vowed to
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  Speaker 3: prevent Iran's murderous dictatorship from developing atomic bombs, nuclear weapons
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  Speaker 3: aimed at destroying Israel, nuclear weapons that could threaten the
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  Speaker 3: entire world. That's exactly what we did. Now let me
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  Speaker 3: say something. That might surprise you. Devastating Iran's nuclear facilities
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  Speaker 3: was hard. It was very hard to do. But for me,
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  Speaker 3: it was one of the easiest decisions I've ever had
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  Speaker 3: to make as prime minister.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Benjamin Netanyahu, for doing a great job. You know,
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  Speaker 2: when the Iranians walked out, they put a picture of
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  Speaker 2: Qasem Soleimani on their desk. It was a jigsaw puzzle
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  Speaker 2: with a lot of pieces missing. I'm Kurt Schlichter. We'll
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  Speaker 2: be back with more of The Hugh Hewitt Show. Welcome
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  Speaker 2: back to The Hugh Hewitt Show. I'm guest host Kurt Schlichter.
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  Speaker 2: And that's Hanson. And now my next guest, of course,
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  Speaker 2: is Jim Hanson, president of WorldStrat. You can follow him
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  Speaker 2: at JimHansonDC. And you might think, yeah, I would go
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  Speaker 2: for Ballot of the Green Berets, but not me. No,
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  Speaker 2: I go for hands. Are you related in any way
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  Speaker 2: to these 90s power pop stars?
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  Speaker 4: No. And, you know, like everybody else, I would have
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  Speaker 4: bet they would all be in rehab and, you know,
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  Speaker 4: in deep trouble as the kid band they were. Turns
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  Speaker 4: out they all got married, had families that are doing great.
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  Speaker 4: So more power to Hanson.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Amazingly, somebody somebody made a joke about them to
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  Speaker 2: some like Greg Danzig or something. And he's like, no, man,
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  Speaker 2: those guys are really good musicians and they're they're living
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  Speaker 2: their vision. It's like.
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  Speaker 5: Fight it out for Hanson, baby.
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  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of fighting it out, there are a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people out there telling us that this war with
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  Speaker 2: Iran is going way too long. I'm of the opinion
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  Speaker 2: maybe Americans need to get a little more strategic patience.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think?
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  Speaker 4: Well, okay, let's first agree that everybody would have been
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  Speaker 4: happier if the initial decapitation strike, when we whacked the
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  Speaker 4: 40 guys on the first night, would have toppled the regime.
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  Speaker 5: We all could have been quite.
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  Speaker 4: A bit more pleased with that outcome than with what
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  Speaker 4: we've got now.
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  Speaker 5: It didn't happen.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't know that that was the goal. It
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  Speaker 4: was one of those situations where let's do this. We're
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  Speaker 4: going to make sure they can't have quality command control.
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  Speaker 4: We want to degrade their ability to do bad things.
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  Speaker 4: And if that topples the regime, great. But the goal
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  Speaker 4: was to destroy all of their dangerous toys so they
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  Speaker 4: couldn't immediately build a nuke weapon or do other horrendous things.
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  Speaker 4: And at that point, we're now in the longer grind
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  Speaker 4: to saying, look, you guys are either going to capitulate
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  Speaker 4: and sign a deal or over the long term, we're
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  Speaker 4: going to grind you to dust. We're going to send
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  Speaker 4: you on a one way ticket to hell, as President
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  Speaker 4: Trump pointed out at the U.N.
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  Speaker 5: General Assembly.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, Jim Hansen, the If you listen to
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  Speaker 2: regime media, which I never do, because when they're not lying,
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  Speaker 2: they're usually just wrong. They're telling me that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to lose that.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You Republicans are going to lose the midterms because everyone's
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  Speaker 2: sick of Iran and this war and everything. And yes,
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  Speaker 2: gas is about a dollar more a gallon.
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  Speaker 5: OK.
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  Speaker 2: All right. That's true. As far as casualties, we've had
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  Speaker 2: 18 casualties.
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  Speaker 5: That is.
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  Speaker 2: 18 is less than the platoon I led in the
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  Speaker 2: Persian Gulf War. I'm not running that down naturally, running
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  Speaker 2: down the casualties naturally. But you've got to put things
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  Speaker 2: in perspective. And the American people seem unable to do that.
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  Speaker 2: This is the American people who ground their way through
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  Speaker 2: the Civil War, through World War I and World War II.
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  Speaker 2: What happened to us?
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  Speaker 4: So many things have happened to degrade our spirit and,
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  Speaker 4: you know, our stick-to-itiveness. But I think in this situation,
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  Speaker 4: the correct question is, would you rather have a president
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  Speaker 4: who refuses to face an imminent existential threat because he
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  Speaker 4: might lose the midterm elections, not his own position even?
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  Speaker 5: But just Congress?
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  Speaker 4: Or would you have somebody who's willing to take that
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  Speaker 4: political risk because it's the right thing to do and
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  Speaker 4: does something that he knows is going.
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  Speaker 5: To damage him politically?
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  Speaker 4: Not just with the other people, not just with the
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  Speaker 4: general public, but with his own party. There are plenty
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  Speaker 4: of people on the political right who are absolutely angry
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  Speaker 4: about this. And I can understand that, but I'd still
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  Speaker 4: rather someone who is willing to do the right.
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  Speaker 5: Thing and take the hits. And that's exactly what President
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  Speaker 5: Trump did.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, Jim Hansen, there are many ways of
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  Speaker 2: fighting a war. There's using the military, using diplomatic power,
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  Speaker 2: using economic power, which we're doing to Iran. We're strangling
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  Speaker 2: them right now. There's also information power. And right now Xi,
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  Speaker 2: President Xi, is in Washington, D.C. with Donald Trump. And
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  Speaker 2: it kind of looks like Xi's People's Republic of China,
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  Speaker 2: combining with local leftists, And with tech, oligarchs are kind
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  Speaker 2: of working together on an information operation to shape the
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  Speaker 2: battlefield for AI development. Have you noticed how all this
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  Speaker 2: stuff spontaneously, you know, occurred? It just sort of happened. And,
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  Speaker 2: of course, nothing just sort of occurs and happens.
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  Speaker 4: Now, throw in Bernie Sanders. So we've got our favorite
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  Speaker 4: commie here in the U.S. He said, oh, we've got
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  Speaker 4: to stop it before we destroy the world. Look, the
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  Speaker 4: anthropic and open AI guys, they're scared about their IPOs
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  Speaker 4: because they are burning truckloads of $ 100 bills to build
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  Speaker 4: these super cool AIs that people are using right now
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  Speaker 4: to make videos of rabbits bouncing on trampolines. That's not
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  Speaker 4: a sustainable business model, and that's going to cost them money.
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  Speaker 4: And when you do an IPO, you get a very
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  Speaker 4: deep audit before you can do that by the accounting
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  Speaker 4: firms who do that for a living. And they're pointing out,
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  Speaker 4: you're not making any money. What's your plan to make money?
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  Speaker 4: So they're trying to.
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  Speaker 5: Say, we want some regulatory capture.
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  Speaker 4: We want the government to step in and stop our
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  Speaker 4: competitors and make us look better in comparison. Well, no,
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  Speaker 4: we're not going to do that. And that obviously would
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  Speaker 4: help the Chinese who are behind. Their best bet is
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  Speaker 4: to steal our IP, to take anything that we're doing,
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  Speaker 4: copy it, and try to make a Timu copy of it.
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  Speaker 4: So they got Timu Open AI, Timu Anthropy, Timu Claude,
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  Speaker 4: and all those things. And they can't catch up unless
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  Speaker 4: we handcuff ourselves.
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  Speaker 5: So I think you nailed it.
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  Speaker 4: It is a combined– and whether they're working together or not,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, but I suspect– But they all do
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  Speaker 4: have the same goal, and their goal is to stop
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  Speaker 4: us from dominating.
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  Speaker 5: And guess what? President Trump ain't about all that. He's
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  Speaker 5: about global domination.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, Jim, I'm not worried about dying from AI.
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  Speaker 2: because I died when I froze to death from the
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  Speaker 2: second ice age, and I melted from the acid rain,
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  Speaker 2: and then I burned up from the global warming. By
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  Speaker 2: the way, did you hear? We haven't had any hurricanes
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  Speaker 2: this year. That's also the fault of global warming. Have
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  Speaker 2: you ever seen a leftist panic where the remedy wasn't
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  Speaker 2: to immediately shut down all debate and give leftists all
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  Speaker 2: the things that they already always wanted?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're not comically bad at this point. And I
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  Speaker 4: think the thing is they've been getting away with it
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  Speaker 4: for a long time. As you mentioned, the first or
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  Speaker 4: the second Ice Age thing, that was back in the 70s.
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  Speaker 4: You're like, oh, and then you had the ozone layer,
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  Speaker 4: which I think might have been real. But they continue
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  Speaker 4: to use the same playbook until it doesn't work. The
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  Speaker 4: problem is I think people have caught on to the
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  Speaker 4: fact that constant panic, you know, oh, the kids are
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  Speaker 4: going to die unless we trans them. No, they're probably not. Actually,
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  Speaker 4: they're going to die if we do trans them, as
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  Speaker 4: it turns out from some studies up in Scandinavia. So
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  Speaker 4: all of their panic mongering and doom mongering, Greta Thunberg
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  Speaker 4: jumping from one, oh, this is the worst thing.
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  Speaker 5: The current thing is this is the worst thing. We're
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  Speaker 5: not buying it.
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  Speaker 4: We understand that there are dangers and we understand that
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  Speaker 4: we have a responsibility to act responsibly, but they don't
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  Speaker 4: seem to follow that. And I promise I will go
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  Speaker 4: ahead and trust them when they start playing by their
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  Speaker 4: own rules.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, Jim, I'm still trying to figure out
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  Speaker 2: exactly how AI is going to kill us all. Is
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  Speaker 2: it going to, you know, add, you know, subtly add,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a pinch of strychnine to the barbecue rub
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  Speaker 2: recipe that I asked it for, you know, trick me
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  Speaker 2: into offing myself somehow. I don't know. Nobody ever, nobody
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  Speaker 2: ever squares that circle with how AI is going to
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  Speaker 2: turn into Skynet. But, Whatever. Jim, can you join me
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  Speaker 2: in the next segment and let's talk about the midterms?
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Looking forward to it. Come back for me, Kurt Schlichter,
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  Speaker 2: and more Jim Hansen here on the Hugh Hewitt Show
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  Speaker 2: right after this. Welcome back to the Hugh Hewitt Show.
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  Speaker 2: I'm guest host Kurt Schlichter. That, of course, is Oosker Duu.
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  Speaker 2: With divide and conquer. It rocks. And so does my guest,
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  Speaker 2: Jim Hansen. And we'll be continuing our conversation. Let's turn
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  Speaker 2: to the midterms, Jim. Everybody's telling me we're doomed. We're
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  Speaker 2: being divided. We're being conquered. We're going to be destroyed.
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  Speaker 2: What do you say?
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  Speaker 4: I think if anything could destroy us, it's that Minnesota
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  Speaker 4: nerd wave music you listen to.
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  Speaker 5: I love almost everything.
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  Speaker 4: I can't deal with that. Here's one thing I'm sure of.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody knows how to poll anymore. I don't think you
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: can accurately poll. So you keep seeing these things like
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: James Tallarico is ahead in Texas.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: What Texas is that? Ain't the one I'm in. Is
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: there a Texas I'm not aware of? Ain't the one
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: I'm in. And look, I think there's a couple things
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: aside from that.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: We'll go to the places where you need to and
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: support the candidates you need to.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: But I think there's a couple gifts to the right
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: in this.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: One is Tallarico because he is a world-class freakazoid robot
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: of his own, you know, demented type.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: Oh, yes.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: And having him against, you know, I don't know what
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: people think of Paxton.
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: It doesn't matter.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: Paxton's normal. Paxton's just a dude. He's a politician. Tallarico
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: is a freak. Then you've got my boy Abdul El-Sayed
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: in Michigan. I love this guy because he's an Islamianist.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: He's got everything that normal people hate. And he's got
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: Hassan Piker, who is another tremendous gift to the Republicans,
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: who's campaigning with him.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: Now he's like, well, he didn't actually campaign with me.
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: He's like, dude, you invited him to your rallies. He spoke.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: He said, I hate America and so does Abdul. You know,
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: that's what we've got going for us. We need to
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: run against that and say, let J.D. and Trump cook
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: for the next two years because America is coming back.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Well, look, I think you left out something. You left
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: out Susan Collins running against the dude who, like, had
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: kids with his second cousin. It's like the most hilarious
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: joke in Eurotrip. Right.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: And he was the better alternative to the Nazi tattoo guy.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Our candidate was so bad. We went to the dude who's,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: you know, cavorting with his second cousin.
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, yuck.
• 20:52
  Speaker 9: Oh, gross.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Have you had a chance to take a look at
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: the race down in Georgia with Mike Collins, who was
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: here on The Hugh Hewitt Show yesterday?
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think it's one of those places Georgia
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: should be. I mean, it's got Atlanta, which pulls it
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: towards the blue side, but it's also the rest of
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: that state is so red that I think at some
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: level that needs to come back to reality. So I'd
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: like to think we could pick up some ground in Georgia. But,
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: you know, like I said, we'll see. I'm not willing
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: to trust the polling. So that one, you tell me
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: how that's going to work.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Well, look, I'm pretty impressed by Mike Collins. He's resolutely normal.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: which is more than I could say for most of
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: these Democrats, they're just all so weird, right?
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: Well, they thought that's the thing.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they decided that, no, we haven't been
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: crazy enough. And they keep saying, it's like we have
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: never tried true socialism. We have never tried true crazy
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: leftist socialism. And they said, yeah, no, we are Democrat socialists.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: So they're now adopting it. And I say, more power
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: to you.
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: Bring it. Tell the truth. Take off the mask.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Look, I think there are a lot of us Republicans.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Some of us are mad about the Iran war for
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: reasons that escape us, as we discussed in the previous segment.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Others are mad because Trump hasn't done all the things
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: that he said he was going to do immediately, instantly,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: within two years. But at the end of the day,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: the alternative is a bunch of kid castrating communist Hamas
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: hugging freaks.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we are we are blessed by having enemies who
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: are awful. And I think the difficult thing is, OK,
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of things to argue about and say
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: they aren't going good. And look, nobody I you know,
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: we've got a Sprinter van. I buy diesel. OK, that's
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: painful to fill that thing up now.
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: And it's true.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: So let's not pretend that's not a bad thing. But
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: let's not pretend it's going to change. It's not going
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: to change. Because it will go down. The straits are opening.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: That is going to flip itself the other way, and
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: that will change. What President Trump has.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: Done, does anybody remember the borders closed?
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: Have we not destroyed DEI in almost every major organization?
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: The colleges now can't do it. They're paying the administration
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: for their previous sins. Corporate America can't do it. You
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: can't discriminate on the basis of race anymore. I'm pretty
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: sure I was voting for that as much as I
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: was voting for anything else when, you know, it was
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: trying for Trump, too.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Well, that's right, Jim. We're having a crisis of what
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: have you done for me lately? And Trump, in a way,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: is a victim of his own success. Yeah, you got
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: all those things done. But what else is there? Well,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: there's plenty more to come.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: If you keep the Congress in Republican hands, dummies. Yeah.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: I'm Kurt Schlichter. Thank you, Jim Hansen of WorldStrat. We'll
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: be right back with more Hugh Hewitt Show. Welcome back
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: to the Hugh Hewitt Show. I'm guest host Kurt Schlichter.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: It's a real pleasure to welcome my next guest. He's
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: more than just a patriot. He's a good friend of mine.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Rob Maness, he is the author of You Can Do It,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: which you ought to go get on Amazon right away.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: It's a great book, especially if you want to learn
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: how to be a leader. And he is a leader.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: He's a retired United States Air Force colonel, a B-1
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: weapons officer, commanded at multiple levels. He is a podcaster.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: He's got the Rob Maness Show. You can follow him
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: on Twitter, at Rob Maness. And, of course, Rob was
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: part of the elite War College Senior Service College Task
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Force that I was part of that was, you know,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: trashed by the Washington Post. So congratulations. which designated us
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: both massively influential conservative influencers. So, Rob, how does it
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: feel to be a massively influential conservative influencer? Absolutely wonderful.
• 24:57
  Speaker 10: Thanks for coining that term, Kurt. I was just on
• 25:01
  Speaker 10: my own show with Tom Anderson, cynical publicist, and we
• 25:04
  Speaker 10: spent an hour talking about the whining fake news media.
• 25:09
  Speaker 10: So we had a great time.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Well, I've got an article called Beat the Press in–
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: At Town Hall right now, where I'm a senior columnist,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: you should go read Beat the Press. It advocates that you,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: in fact, beat the press. You and I, and guys
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: like Cynical Publius, many veterans, we're very mission-focused, and we're
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: kind of straightforward about things. And then we deal with
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: the regime media, and they're just a bunch of slippery-lying weasels.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: And I see it as an attorney who has a
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: lot of experience with slippery-lying weasels.
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: Yeah, weasel words. The term weasel words, Kurt, is something
• 25:52
  Speaker 10: that I've heard a lot of all my life, but
• 25:56
  Speaker 10: I've never heard it used more than in the about
• 26:00
  Speaker 10: or in the presence of these so-called journalists that think
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: there are these professionals that should have a say in
• 26:08
  Speaker 10: who gets to be a member of the press and
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: where they can go and that they have a right
• 26:13
  Speaker 10: to go into the White House because they're a valid
• 26:17
  Speaker 10: member of the press, even though they are really on
• 26:20
  Speaker 10: a propaganda mission of anti, I don't know if it's
• 26:23
  Speaker 10: anti-Donald Trump, anti-America, you can't really tell, but weasel words
• 26:30
  Speaker 10: is how they do their job. So they can sit
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: back like, our buddy old Lamont there tried to do
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: this morning once again and say, well, we stand by
• 26:41
  Speaker 10: our story.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: It's accurate. Nobody disagreed with us. Well, that's just wrong.
• 26:46
  Speaker 10: Thousands, tens of thousands, probably a million people at this
• 26:49
  Speaker 10: point by now we've heard from, the three of us,
• 26:53
  Speaker 10: that believed their fake news fabricated story that we were
• 26:57
  Speaker 10: hired by Pete Hex secretly to amplify his message and
• 27:00
  Speaker 10: attack his critics. That's the story they told. And they're
• 27:05
  Speaker 10: not going to weasel word their way out of it.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was false. It was completely false. What we
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: were hired to do was look at the senior service colleges,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: the war colleges. And you're a graduate of two of them,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Air Force and Navy. I'm a graduate of Army. Tom
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: is industrial or the Eisenhower School, which is the industrial
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: war college. And we were brought in to look at
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: it to see how we could improve senior leaders. And
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: that brings us to our next. My next point, which
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: is Pete Hegseth this week came out and said, hey,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I'm going to start testing the colonels and captains who
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: want to become flag officers, generals and admirals. Not just
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: look at them on paper, but put them in the cauldron,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: see what happens. Let's see how they react under pressure
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: and see if they are worthy of leading our troops.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: What do you think of that innovation?
• 28:01
  Speaker 10: I think it's exceptionally well-done policy, Kurt. It's being inserted
• 28:07
  Speaker 10: into the promotion system, from what I understand, and it
• 28:11
  Speaker 10: should have a huge play in whether somebody becomes a
• 28:15
  Speaker 10: general or an admiral, no matter what service they're in,
• 28:19
  Speaker 10: because it's following a model from a guy named George C.
• 28:23
  Speaker 10: Marshall and a small team of generals and other mid-level
• 28:29
  Speaker 10: officers that put together a something called the Louisiana Maneuvers,
• 28:34
  Speaker 10: just before World War II, where they actually took their
• 28:38
  Speaker 10: army generals and all of the troops and did a live, on-the-ground,
• 28:44
  Speaker 10: in-person war game in and around Louisiana, all over the
• 28:50
  Speaker 10: other states that were adjoining them. They didn't do it
• 28:53
  Speaker 10: on military bases. They did it out in the countryside
• 28:57
  Speaker 10: exactly the way They would do it in Germany and
• 29:01
  Speaker 10: in Western Europe when the real thing actually happened and
• 29:06
  Speaker 10: we had to go against Hitler and defeat him. And
• 29:08
  Speaker 10: you know what General Marshall said? He said, I'd sure
• 29:11
  Speaker 10: as heck like to rather see folks make big mistakes
• 29:15
  Speaker 10: that will get people killed in Louisiana than in Germany
• 29:19
  Speaker 10: or in Western Europe going through France trying to get
• 29:21
  Speaker 10: to Hitler. And that's exactly what that was about. But
• 29:25
  Speaker 10: the other thing that it was about is it was
• 29:27
  Speaker 10: a screening process. resulted in generals like Dwight Eisenhower going
• 29:33
  Speaker 10: from a colonel to general and even four-star general in
• 29:37
  Speaker 10: very short order because they were able to demonstrate exactly
• 29:41
  Speaker 10: how good they were going to be in a combat
• 29:44
  Speaker 10: situation and under stress. And that's the key here.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Well, Rob, you're absolutely right. And I want to emphasize
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: that our job working examining a war college is long over.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: We are not government employees for any of the little
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: toads out there who– may want to think that we're
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: somehow being compensated to hold opinions we've held since we
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: were lieutenants, which is.
• 30:10
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I actually wrote about the Louisiana maneuvers two years ago,
• 30:14
  Speaker 10: and then about a year ago this December, I wrote
• 30:18
  Speaker 10: articles about that advocating for this type of evaluation to
• 30:22
  Speaker 10: be done for pre-general officer selection. so that we had
• 30:26
  Speaker 10: people that could actually fight wars and win them that
• 30:31
  Speaker 10: are taking care of our kids when we have to
• 30:34
  Speaker 10: go into war. So you're absolutely right, man. I'll just
• 30:39
  Speaker 10: say it one more time. We were never secretly hired
• 30:43
  Speaker 10: and paid to amplify Pete Hegseth's message and attack his critics. Actually,
• 30:49
  Speaker 10: I've done that for free.
• 30:50
  Speaker 11: I know, right?
• 30:51
  Speaker 10: Long before Pete Hegseth. And we'll continue to do it
• 30:54
  Speaker 10: for free. But what so just this article itself from
• 30:58
  Speaker 10: two years ago, one year ago, everything is living proof
• 31:03
  Speaker 10: that we have it. But this is a great idea.
• 31:06
  Speaker 10: You know, we can't talk about the findings in the
• 31:09
  Speaker 10: War College report yet because the secretary's team hasn't released it.
• 31:13
  Speaker 10: and we're waiting on them and their messaging before we
• 31:16
  Speaker 10: can talk about it. But this is something that I
• 31:21
  Speaker 10: certainly recommended a year and two years ago, and I'm
• 31:24
  Speaker 10: ecstatic that they're going to do it because it should
• 31:27
  Speaker 10: be taking people that have graduated from War College prepared
• 31:32
  Speaker 10: to be able to successfully pass that evaluation if they're
• 31:36
  Speaker 10: being considered for general officers.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, we were senior leaders. We weren't generals,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: but we were both full colonels. So was Sen. Publius,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Tom Anderson. And there's a lot of great colonels out
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: there that you can see on social media and who
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: are writing commentary. And when we talk about these things,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: for us it's personal because each and every one of us, Rob,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: has been there when a young soldier– bore the burden
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: of a bad decision by a senior officer. Sometimes a
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: senior officer made a decision that got them hurt or killed.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: And our commitment is to never let that happen again
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: if we can do anything about it. Everything, when you
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: see retired officers get out there and say, hey, it's
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: great that we're being tough on generals. It's great that
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: we're demanding high standards. It's not because we're jerks, and
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: we're certainly not political puppets. We care about our troops.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: All we care about is doing what we need to
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: do to get those young soldiers, airmen, Coast Guardsmen, Marines, sailors,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: whatever the heck they are in the Space Force, the
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: best leadership possible so they can come home to their families. Oh,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: you're absolutely right.
• 32:53
  Speaker 10: We've seen it time and time again. And this evaluation
• 32:57
  Speaker 10: will put these potential generals and admirals under the right stresses.
• 33:03
  Speaker 10: So that you can see the decisions being made and
• 33:07
  Speaker 10: you'll be able to see what the outcome of it is,
• 33:10
  Speaker 10: because it's my understanding that a lot of this opposition
• 33:14
  Speaker 10: for some of it's going to be done by artificial intelligence.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: But we're up against a hard break. Get his book.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: What you can do. It's a great book. And Rob
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Maness is a great man. I'm Kurt Schlichter. This is
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: the Hugh Hewitt Show.
• 33:29
  Speaker 10: Stick around.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: We got a lot more to come. Welcome back to
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: the Hugh Hewitt Show. I'm guest host, Kurt Schlichter. I'm
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: joined by Vic Mattis. He's a free Beacon Weekend slash
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: culture editor and a co-host of the Getting Hammered podcast. Vic,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: I had your co-host on the Getting Hammered podcast, Mary
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Catherine Hamm, on the show, I think, Monday, and I
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: just said, Nicole Hannah-Jones, go. And that was good for
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: a whole segment. What do you think of that remarkable
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: New York Times editorial? Well, hello, Kurt.
• 34:09
  Speaker 11: You can probably give Mary Catherine three hours and that
• 34:12
  Speaker 11: just gets her started when talking about Nicole Hannah-Jones. Yeah,
• 34:17
  Speaker 11: I mean, we're not surprised because this is the kind
• 34:20
  Speaker 11: of thing that we've been saying and nobody's listening to
• 34:22
  Speaker 11: us on the other side because they want to believe
• 34:24
  Speaker 11: You know, this very, very important reporter writer who occasionally
• 34:29
  Speaker 11: writes for The New York Times. And to disagree with her,
• 34:31
  Speaker 11: you'll be called a racist anyway. So everybody from the
• 34:35
  Speaker 11: public school system to the teachers unions to members of
• 34:38
  Speaker 11: the mainstream media, they just heap praise upon praise.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Over this woman.
• 34:43
  Speaker 11: And then she gets, as I said, on getting hammered.
• 34:47
  Speaker 11: It's like she got mugged by reality, but she has
• 34:49
  Speaker 11: yet to ID the mugger. She's not sure who it is.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: She's almost there, Kurt.
• 34:55
  Speaker 11: Everyone's like, oh, maybe the scales have fallen off her eyes, but.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Not quite there yet.
• 35:01
  Speaker 11: And I think we just have to help her along
• 35:03
  Speaker 11: the way. Her daughter certainly did an amazing job in
• 35:07
  Speaker 11: helping her realize that what she did was, frankly, a
• 35:10
  Speaker 11: terrible mistake.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Well, what she did was she basically put her young
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: daughter in a garbage inner city school run by Democrats
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: and public employee unions. And her daughter didn't learn to read,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: didn't learn to do math, and was basically subjected to
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: the kind of chaos that these people tolerate because they
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: don't care about educating young black and Hispanic kids. And
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: that's just the truth. And Hannah Nicole Jones, you know,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: last to know. But, you know, Vic, she can't get
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: that last 10 yards to really make the point where
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: she gets in the end zone and realizes– Everything I
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: believed was a lie.
• 35:55
  Speaker 11: No, because that would be the most painful part for
• 35:57
  Speaker 11: her is to realize that everything she's been doing has
• 36:00
  Speaker 11: been wrong. And again, we talked about this on the show.
• 36:05
  Speaker 11: You know, are these people in on the con or
• 36:08
  Speaker 11: are they truly that naive? And in her case, she
• 36:15
  Speaker 11: was truly naive. I mean, she seems to really believe
• 36:18
  Speaker 11: that it can't possibly be that it's the system that's
• 36:23
  Speaker 11: the problem here. And she'd rather still feel comforted by
• 36:28
  Speaker 11: vilifying conservatives as if there's any conservatives in these big schools,
• 36:33
  Speaker 11: in these big school districts or in these blue cities
• 36:36
  Speaker 11: that are responsible for this. And as I mentioned, blaming
• 36:40
  Speaker 11: charter schools that they're the problem because rather than improving
• 36:44
  Speaker 11: them and having students go to those schools and do better,
• 36:46
  Speaker 11: let's keep them here. All we need is a little
• 36:48
  Speaker 11: bit more money And frankly, that's what she herself said.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: You know, she's a New York Times reporter.
• 36:54
  Speaker 11: She has a lot of influence. She can make changes.
• 36:56
  Speaker 11: She can donate more money to the PTA, and that
• 36:59
  Speaker 11: will change everything. And it's also, the other big question is,
• 37:03
  Speaker 11: how is it that she didn't know her daughter had
• 37:05
  Speaker 11: serious math problems until.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: She was, what, 16?
• 37:08
  Speaker 11: So there are parental issues, and then there are obviously
• 37:11
  Speaker 11: institutional issues at play here, and both of which are bad.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: So again.
• 37:18
  Speaker 11: Give her a lot of credit for writing this piece
• 37:20
  Speaker 11: and the times for publishing it, even if she doesn't
• 37:22
  Speaker 11: come around fully to realizing who is to blame here.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: But it's good for the rest of us. At least
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: we can say we told you so. Well, Vic, I
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: see this troubling trend of a certain kind of woman
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: sacrificing her children on the altar of wokeness, whether it's abortion,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: whether it's supporting Lindsay Clancy, who literally sacrificed them. Whether
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: it's these munchausen mommies who support the mutilation of their
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: kids because, well, he looked at a Barbie cross-eyed once.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: And then this. They're willing to allow active harm to
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: their children so they can be seen as conforming to
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: this kind of woke leftist ideology. It's bizarre. Not just bizarre.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: It's horrifying.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 38:14
  Speaker 11: Yeah, they're all in on it. And I mean, there's
• 38:18
  Speaker 11: no turning back for them, sadly. And we see this.
• 38:20
  Speaker 11: I mean, you know, you could take it to the
• 38:21
  Speaker 11: absolute extreme, Kurt, which is like, you know, the protesters
• 38:25
  Speaker 11: outside the UN who are queers for Palestine. It makes
• 38:29
  Speaker 11: absolutely zero sense. And the same thing with these women
• 38:34
  Speaker 11: or these mothers, you know, who bring children, who bring
• 38:37
  Speaker 11: their daughters to abortion rallies or to, as you mentioned,
• 38:39
  Speaker 11: the Lindsay Clancy case.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: It's not good for the kids.
• 38:44
  Speaker 11: But with any luck, these children do realize eventually, hoping
• 38:50
  Speaker 11: that no harm comes to them, that what their mother
• 38:55
  Speaker 11: or what their parent did to them was insane. And so,
• 38:58
  Speaker 11: I mean, it's a long struggle here, and it's generational.
• 39:01
  Speaker 11: But we're seeing this, you know, a pushback that's beginning
• 39:04
  Speaker 11: to happen. I mean, you have, you know, people who
• 39:07
  Speaker 11: are detransitioning, and that is, for example, being downplayed in
• 39:12
  Speaker 11: lots of the media.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: But this is something that's.
• 39:14
  Speaker 11: Happening and eventually that's going to– there will be some
• 39:18
  Speaker 11: level of vindication. It will be also a very sad
• 39:21
  Speaker 11: moment when people finally realize if they're able to admit
• 39:25
  Speaker 11: that they were wrong all this time. But yeah, they're
• 39:27
  Speaker 11: totally driven by these extreme views and they're not going back.
• 39:30
  Speaker 9: Back.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Well, Vic, I'm hearing that young males particularly. are extremely reactionary.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: They have seen what's going on from COVID, from the
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: woke lies. They see many of them betrayed by their
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: own mother for her own narcissistic purposes. And they're just,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, these guys are, these guys make
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: me look like Alan Alda. You know what I'm saying?
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: This is, there's going to be hell to pay. I'm
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: going to be dead by then, but dang.
• 40:07
  Speaker 11: I really hope it doesn't take that long, but, you know,
• 40:12
  Speaker 11: Leonel Shriver had that novel that was a bestseller, and
• 40:15
  Speaker 11: she herself is not a conservative, but she's realistic about
• 40:22
  Speaker 11: the well-meaning, woke mother who brings in the illegal immigrants
• 40:26
  Speaker 11: to live with her because she's so loving. And it
• 40:29
  Speaker 11: was based on this premise from Mayor Eric Adams that
• 40:33
  Speaker 11: they would pay families to house the illegals. And it's
• 40:38
  Speaker 11: an amazing novel because who figures out that this whole
• 40:42
  Speaker 11: thing is a scam and that she's being used by
• 40:44
  Speaker 11: these people and gang members come into.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Her house but the son.
• 40:50
  Speaker 11: It's the son who grows up and nobody cares for
• 40:52
  Speaker 11: him because he doesn't fit into any of these identitarian
• 40:54
  Speaker 11: categories that matter.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Chris Scalia reviewed it for us. It's terrific. And the
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: author again is Leonel Shriver.
• 41:00
  Speaker 11: It's really quite something and you hit the nail right
• 41:04
  Speaker 11: on the head there though.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Well, Vic, we've got a we've got a midterm election
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: coming up and we only got about 30, 40 seconds left.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Do you think we've seen Hannah Nicole Jones or Nicole
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Hannah Jones and these crazy wine women and all the
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: crazy wokeness? That's the alternative. Do you think that conservatives
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: who are a little unhappy with Trump, unsatisfied with him
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: in the Senate? Do you think they're going to sit
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: this out or do you think they're going to say,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I can't let crazy prevail?
• 41:38
  Speaker 11: Well, I think certainly the conservatives are not going to
• 41:40
  Speaker 11: let crazy prevail. And I mean, you know, they know
• 41:43
  Speaker 11: what the difference is. But what is the alternative here?
• 41:45
  Speaker 11: And we're talking about people like Daria Liza Chevalier, you know,
• 41:49
  Speaker 11: Alice Chevalier and insane people. But we've got to stay focused.
• 41:52
  Speaker 11: You've got to keep to that message because, you know,
• 41:55
  Speaker 11: if they take the House, they take the Senate.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: It's bad news for everybody. It sure is. Dick Mattis
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: from the Free Beacon Getting Hammered podcast, which I'm going
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: to go listen to in the hot tub here at AMC.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: The Schlichter Ranch Show, as soon as we're done, with
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: the Hugh Hewitt Show. But we've got more to come.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Stick around. Welcome back to the Hugh Hewitt Show. I'm
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Kurt Schlichter, retired United States Army infantry colonel, trial lawyer,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: senior columnist over at townhall.com. I'd like to welcome the
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: editor-in-chief of Jewish Insider. You can follow him at Josh
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Kroschauer on the Twitter machine. Josh, welcome to the show,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: and maybe you can explain to me why– all these
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: representatives of other countries walked out ostentatiously when Benjamin Netanyahu
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: got up to speak to the United Nations General Assembly,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: because I found it cowardly and frankly disgraceful.
• 42:51
  Speaker 12: Well, Kurt, good to be back with you. I mean,
• 42:54
  Speaker 12: isn't that par for the course at the United Nations?
• 42:56
  Speaker 12: This is the institution, after all, that voted to declare
• 43:01
  Speaker 12: that Zionism is racism back in 1975 before it withdrew
• 43:06
  Speaker 12: that resolution and, you know, over a decade later. So
• 43:09
  Speaker 12: this is a body that is filled with, you know,
• 43:11
  Speaker 12: some of the worst totalitarian regimes, dictators, you know, some
• 43:17
  Speaker 12: really bad actors that each get one vote in the
• 43:19
  Speaker 12: General Assembly.
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: So a lot of it was, I will say it
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: was a.
• 43:22
  Speaker 12: Pretty empty room in Turtle Bay today. But, you know,
• 43:26
  Speaker 12: this is something that Netanyahu and the Israeli leadership writ large,
• 43:30
  Speaker 12: has faced for many, many years at the United Nations,
• 43:32
  Speaker 12: that it's because of the close U.S.-Israel alliance and alliances
• 43:37
  Speaker 12: with democracies and key allies that has provided its support,
• 43:42
  Speaker 12: not the kind of tin pot dictatorships that fill up
• 43:44
  Speaker 12: so many of those seats in the General Assembly.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Well, look, I find that troubling. I find the rise
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: of anti-Semitism and the legitimizing of it among people who
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: should damn well know better to be really disgraceful. It's
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: happening internationally right now in Ireland. They're having a spasm
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: because an Israeli team is playing soccer, and they want
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: to ban the Israeli team, and that's a giant frenzy.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Here in America, there are Democrat candidates who actively hate
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: the Jewish people, actively hate the Jewish people, and they're
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: accepted and supported. I'm baffled by this.
• 44:27
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, look, you're seeing the extremes become mainstream
• 44:32
  Speaker 12: in the Democratic Party, especially in the Michigan Senate race,
• 44:35
  Speaker 12: where Abdul El-Sayed certainly has a credible chance of winning
• 44:39
  Speaker 12: a Senate seat, despite holding positions that would have probably
• 44:43
  Speaker 12: forced him to drop out of the race if this
• 44:45
  Speaker 12: was an election held five or 10 years ago. His views,
• 44:48
  Speaker 12: his unwillingness to condemn Hassan Piker, who anti-American, anti-Semitic, pro-terrorism talker,
• 44:56
  Speaker 12: But yeah, for some reason, he will not condemn someone
• 44:59
  Speaker 12: who campaigned for him, who was a surrogate for him.
• 45:01
  Speaker 12: And I think we know why, for the very reason
• 45:03
  Speaker 12: that he did campaign for him during the primary. And
• 45:06
  Speaker 12: it's an inconvenient truth that a lot of people don't
• 45:08
  Speaker 12: want to reckon with, don't want to confront. The fact that,
• 45:12
  Speaker 12: you know, actually, El-Sayed, interestingly enough, was asked by an
• 45:17
  Speaker 12: Iranian American whose family was being tortured by the Iranian
• 45:23
  Speaker 12: regime at a town hall this week whether he could
• 45:26
  Speaker 12: speak out against the Iranian regime that murdered 50,000 protesters
• 45:32
  Speaker 12: in Iran. And he couldn't do it. He wouldn't do
• 45:33
  Speaker 12: it at a town hall. So this is who the
• 45:35
  Speaker 12: guy is. This is what his worldview is. And I
• 45:38
  Speaker 12: think it's made a lot of voters very uncomfortable and
• 45:42
  Speaker 12: a lot of Democrats, frankly, very uncomfortable, even though I
• 45:45
  Speaker 12: will say that most Democrats have gotten behind him and
• 45:49
  Speaker 12: endorsed his candidacy, despite the fact that he holds some quite,
• 45:51
  Speaker 12: quite radical positions on foreign policy and beyond.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: With the Democrat Party going down this road, we hear
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: about potential Democrat candidates like Josh Shapiro and John Ossoff,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: who are both Jewish. Look, it's crystal clear to everyone
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: that Josh Shapiro should have been Kamala Harris' running mate.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was the simplest call in the world,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: and we all know exactly why he wasn't. And he
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: wasn't chosen because he was Jewish. And Kamala Harris knew
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: that a Jewish vice presidential candidate was going to hurt
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: her with Democrats. And it's embarrassing to say that about
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: one of the two major parties in my country. But
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: I think it's true. How do Jewish Americans, you know,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: as editor-in-chief of Jewish Insider, this has to be a
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: topic of discussion, how are Jewish Americans hurt? Looking at
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: this issue, are they scared? Are they horrified? Are they
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: going to become Republicans en masse?
• 46:59
  Speaker 12: Well, I'll give you some data, Kurt, which, you know,
• 47:01
  Speaker 12: we like to look at the numbers and crunch the polls.
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: Sixty five percent.
• 47:06
  Speaker 12: I mean, even even though Trump did pretty well with
• 47:08
  Speaker 12: Jewish voters historically, you still had about 65 to 70
• 47:11
  Speaker 12: percent in the 2024 presidential election that voted for Kamala Harris.
• 47:15
  Speaker 12: There's still a very Democratic leaning constituent, Democratic friendly constituency.
• 47:20
  Speaker 12: There was a story in the Free Press this week
• 47:23
  Speaker 12: where one of their reporters went to Temple Israel, which
• 47:26
  Speaker 12: is a reformed Jewish congregation where the, you know, the terrorist,
• 47:32
  Speaker 12: you know, the extremist terrorist almost, you know, put up,
• 47:37
  Speaker 12: drove into the synagogue and nearly killed dozens of preschoolers.
• 47:40
  Speaker 12: And it's a pretty liberal congregation. I would say that
• 47:43
  Speaker 12: almost everyone there, you know, I would say 80 percent,
• 47:45
  Speaker 12: 90 percent, fair to say, voted Democrat in the last election,
• 47:49
  Speaker 12: given the you know, voter trends. And one of the
• 47:52
  Speaker 12: congregants said that at this point right now, 70% of
• 47:56
  Speaker 12: them probably, give or take, are going to be voting
• 47:59
  Speaker 12: Republican for Mike Rogers in the Michigan Senate race. So
• 48:02
  Speaker 12: that is a liberal-minded Jewish congregation that was sort of
• 48:06
  Speaker 12: mugged by the ugly reality of what's going on in
• 48:09
  Speaker 12: that community, in that neck of the woods, where you
• 48:12
  Speaker 12: have people who, you know, a candidate, obviously, who said,
• 48:17
  Speaker 12: hurt people, hurt people, when he was responding to the
• 48:19
  Speaker 12: terrorist attack there. And, you know, it's kind of remarkable
• 48:24
  Speaker 12: to see a swing of that magnitude, but it's hard
• 48:27
  Speaker 12: to find, at least folks within the Jewish community, people
• 48:30
  Speaker 12: who are institutionally involved, who are engaged in any way,
• 48:35
  Speaker 12: it's hard to find them being able to stomach El-Sayed.
• 48:37
  Speaker 12: His candidacy has really created a divide. You know, I
• 48:41
  Speaker 12: think many, many voters, Jewish voters in Michigan are lean
• 48:45
  Speaker 12: left and agree with the Democrats on a lot of
• 48:48
  Speaker 12: domestic policy. But when you have someone who doesn't recognize
• 48:52
  Speaker 12: the state of Israel as a Jewish state, unleashing slur
• 48:58
  Speaker 12: after slur against the country and can't even condemn unequivocally
• 49:01
  Speaker 12: a terrorist attack in his own backyard, it's just too
• 49:04
  Speaker 12: much for Jewish Democrats, many of them at least, to
• 49:06
  Speaker 12: handle in that state.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: We've only got about 30 seconds. What about other states?
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm here in Texas. We have Tallarico who's
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: pretending to be Christian. He's got some weird heresy stuff
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: going on.
• 49:20
  Speaker 9: On.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: But, you know, he's going to be as anti-Semitic as
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Abdul Saeed. His votes will be interchangeable. We've only got
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: about 10 seconds. Do you think that Jewish voters are
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: going to say, no, I'm going with a Republican. I
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: can't risk it.
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it does depend on the state.
• 49:39
  Speaker 12: I mean, I think it really, if you have a
• 49:42
  Speaker 12: Republican who has a pragmatic record and you have a
• 49:45
  Speaker 12: Democrat with an extreme record, that's going to be the
• 49:47
  Speaker 12: formula where you can see the books rank.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Well, Josh Kroschauer, Jewish Insider, thanks for joining me here
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: on The Hugh Hewitt Show. I'm guest host Kurt Schlichter.
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  Speaker 9: So I did the argument today. It was an interesting case.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I want to talk about Missouri in a second,
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, it's intimidating. These are some of the
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  Speaker 9: And we have on these panels three different judges, the
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  Speaker 9: Two were appointed by President Trump in his first term.
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  Speaker 9: one of the highlights of the job is getting to
• 55:53
  Speaker 9: stand up there and represent the state.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting, Eric Weston, when you go in.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Some of the judges are incredible. Some of them are
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: incredibly unaccomplished. I had one argument yesterday. where in front
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: of Alex Kosinski, Stephen Reinhart, and a third judge who
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: brought up what her daughter thought of the case at
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: the breakfast table that morning.
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  Speaker 9: Well, I'll say this. I met Judge Kaczynski, and he's
• 56:20
  Speaker 9: a brilliant guy, obviously. Judge Reinhart was a liberal lion,
• 56:26
  Speaker 9: even if I probably disputed him on the merits. And fortunately,
• 56:29
  Speaker 9: I haven't had to talk about any judicial children's breakfasts
• 56:32
  Speaker 9: yet at argument, although it's probably only a matter of
• 56:34
  Speaker 9: time at this point.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Well, if you keep going, you're going to get there. Now,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: let's talk about this Missouri case. Can you sketch it
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: out for us and where we are and what's likely
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: to happen?
• 56:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so I'll sketch it out, although I'm going to
• 56:49
  Speaker 9: super oversimplify it. So apologies to any of your listeners
• 56:52
  Speaker 9: that are really following this closely. But long story short,
• 56:56
  Speaker 9: there have been a series of attacks on this Missouri
• 56:59
  Speaker 9: First map that Missouri's legislature passed to try to bring
• 57:02
  Speaker 9: some fairness into their redistricting. And Missouri Attorney General Catherine
• 57:08
  Speaker 9: Hannaway and her Solicitor General Luke Posey feedback every challenge
• 57:13
  Speaker 9: to the state and federal court except for this last one.
• 57:16
  Speaker 9: And the Missouri Supreme Court in this last challenge said
• 57:20
  Speaker 9: that because a citizen referendum was passed, it basically pauses
• 57:24
  Speaker 9: the new map. And even though people voted in the
• 57:27
  Speaker 9: primary under the new map, Now they're going to have
• 57:30
  Speaker 9: to vote in the general election under the old map,
• 57:33
  Speaker 9: which is a huge twist. So one of the congressmen
• 57:36
  Speaker 9: involved sued the federal court, and he wanted them to
• 57:39
  Speaker 9: use the new map. The district court agreed. The Eighth
• 57:43
  Speaker 9: Circuit agreed, and then the Supreme Court stopped it. Then
• 57:46
  Speaker 9: it went back down. The Eighth Circuit agreed again, and
• 57:49
  Speaker 9: now it's up pending before the Supreme Court. I think
• 57:51
  Speaker 9: we're going to hear an answer almost certainly by Monday,
• 57:55
  Speaker 9: probably on Friday, and And I think it's more likely
• 57:58
  Speaker 9: than not that Missouri is going to lose. I don't
• 58:01
  Speaker 9: think that's the right result. I do think the Supreme
• 58:03
  Speaker 9: Court has taken a hard stand that state courts get
• 58:06
  Speaker 9: to be the final speaker on some of these election
• 58:09
  Speaker 9: issues before the election happens. And I think they're going
• 58:12
  Speaker 9: to stick to their guns on that, even though it
• 58:13
  Speaker 9: leads to a kind of wacky result here.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a pretty wacky result. You've got we had
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Chris Gall is running in Missouri sixth on. And he said, look,
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: I'm now running in the general in a district I
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: did not run in my primary. I mean, that seems
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: crazy to me.
• 58:33
  Speaker 9: So what the what the Eighth Circuit said, and this
• 58:36
  Speaker 9: this is a really fascinating situation because you had a judge,
• 58:40
  Speaker 9: Judge Loken, who's been on the bench for a long time.
• 58:43
  Speaker 9: I think he was a George H.W. Bush appointee. You
• 58:45
  Speaker 9: had Judge Strauss, who's a Trump one appointee, and Judge
• 58:49
  Speaker 9: Justin Smith, who's a Trump two appointee. And all three
• 58:52
  Speaker 9: of them agreed. that the Missouri First map is the
• 58:55
  Speaker 9: one that should go into effect. Judge Strauss had a
• 58:58
  Speaker 9: different reasoning for that. He thought that the challengers, this
• 59:02
  Speaker 9: nonprofit activist group that sued, didn't have what's called standing.
• 59:05
  Speaker 9: They couldn't bring the lawsuit at all. But the other
• 59:08
  Speaker 9: two got to the merits, and they said it is—
• 59:10
  Speaker 9: a constitutional violation to disenfranchise voters like that, to have
• 59:13
  Speaker 9: them vote in a primary and then to swap out
• 59:16
  Speaker 9: the math after the people have been selected. I mean,
• 59:18
  Speaker 9: you might have people in one city who voted in
• 59:20
  Speaker 9: a primary, and the candidate they voted for is now
• 59:23
  Speaker 9: running in an entirely different district. That is just a
• 59:27
  Speaker 9: very odd circumstance.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: It seems very odd. Now, I'm going to point out
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: something that you've done here that non-lawyers might not pick
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: up on. You mentioned each of the judges and who
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: appointed them. The fun fact is that when I was
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: still actively practicing and I had a case, the first
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: thing I did was look at the judge, who appointed
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: him or her, And I often govern my litigation strategy accordingly.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Do you conform your litigation strategy to who the judge is,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: or do you just assume they're all going to be fair, unbiased,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: et cetera, and so forth?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 9: It's always better to tailor your arguments to who the
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 9: judge is. With these courts of appeals, what's interesting is
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 9: usually you don't know who you're going to argue in
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 9: front of until soon before the argument. So here, the
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 9: people in this Missouri first litigation didn't know who this
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 9: panel was going to be until shortly before the argument happened.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 9: So it doesn't give you that much time to change
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 9: the type of argument you're going to make.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 13: When you're briefing the.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 9: Case, you never know who's going to hear it eventually anyway.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: So it does.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 9: It puts people on a neutral playing field. But here,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 9: when you have Judge Loken, Judge Justin Smith, and the
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 9: reason I say the first name is there's two Judge
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 9: Smiths on the Eighth Circuit now and Judge Strauss. You know,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 9: you've got originalists, you've got textualists, you've got people that
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 9: are going to call balls and strikes and play by
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 9: the rules. So you can look at the president that
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 9: appointed them as a proxy. But, you know, for people
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 9: that really follow this stuff closely, they know each judge
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 9: and what that judge is. view on a lot of
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 9: these issues is going to be. And I'm not surprised
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 9: that the Eighth Circuit reached the result of it, because
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 9: these are some of the best judges in the country.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 9: And we're really fortunate. The Eighth Circuit covers a bunch
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 9: of states, including Iowa. So our appeals go up to
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 9: that court. And we're pretty fortunate because the Eighth Circuit is,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 9: I think it's 10 to 1 Republican appointees, which, again,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 9: doesn't say anything about the underlying judges, but it gives
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 9: a little emphasis to their philosophy. And that's a very
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 9: good place to be if you want to make originalist, textualist,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 9: constitutionalist type arguments.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: Just out of curiosity, where did you go to law
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: school to get these kind of insurgent attitudes? Because that
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: ain't what a lot of the law schools teach.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, it's amazing. I went to the University
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 9: of Chicago Law School. I don't know if you're friends
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 9: with another conservative media person, Josh Hammer, but we were
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 9: pretty close in time. And so, you know, when it
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 9: comes to conservative insurgents in law schools, I think University
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 9: of Chicago is a good home to pump them out.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much, Eric Wesson, Solicitor General of
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: the great state of Iowa, for joining us on The
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Hugh Hewitt Show. Follow him on Twitter. He talks about
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: all sorts of cases. And stick around here. We've got
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: a lot more to come. Welcome back to the Hugh
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Hewitt Show. I'm guest host Kurt Schlichter. I'm a senior
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: columnist at townhall.com. And I'm being joined by Cameron Arcand,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: who is senior Washington correspondent for townhall.com. Cameron, welcome to
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: the show. We haven't met before.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 13: No, we haven't.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 8: And I think we're both California guys, too. I think
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 8: we have that Orange County tie, so I'm a bit surprised.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: All right. Now, I just played some replacements. You are young.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: Have you ever even heard of The Replacements, much less
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: rocked out to their big beat?
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 8: I have heard of The Replacements, but they're not I've
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 8: rocked out to them has yet to be seen. But
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 8: I love a lot of 80s rock bands and a
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 8: lot of that going on.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 13: So I get it.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: Well, Cam, can I ask you how old you are?
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 8: I'm 23, but I'm now just old enough where I
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 8: don't really have to lie or try to hide my
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 8: age anymore. When you're 22 and younger, you still got
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 8: to kind of brush it off to the side.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 13: But it's a little bit better now.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Well, look, I think it's great what you're doing because
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: I think our movement needs young blood. And let me–
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: there are– There are a couple questions Hugh always asks
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: new people for the first time when they come on,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: and I just want to ask you those Hugh Hewitt questions.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: The first is, have you read The Looming Tower by
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: Lawrence Wright, the book on the Islamic lunatics who attacked
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: 9-11 and have been at war with us for 20-some years? Well,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: more than 20. We've got 40 years.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 8: I have not.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 13: Tell me about it.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: It's an incredible book. It really tells... It brings you
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: right up to the Twin Towers, really explains what's going
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: on out there. Second question is, was Alger Hiss a
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: communist spy?
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 9: I have no idea.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: I'm not doing that to embarrass you. I'm doing that
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: because there are generations where things that were very important
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: to us have faded away. And guys like you are
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: going to move in and take over for us. I'm
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: not going to, Hugh's not going to do this forever.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: I'm certainly not going to do this forever. And it's
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: cool to have young people with this incredible chance. I mean,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: you are, Town Hall is a number one conservative outlet.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: You're their Washington correspondent. That's pretty intense, isn't it?
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and especially lately, I mean, we've seen such a
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 8: drudge of news on, you know, just a few blocks
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 8: outside the White House right now because we had the
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 8: Xi Jinping visit today. And, you know, just the level
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 8: of the news that we're seeing the past couple of
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 8: weeks with the amount of, you know, international conflicts going
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 8: on and all the conversations happening around that and just
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 8: the things happening right here in D.C. and here domestically,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 8: it is a time to be in this role. And
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 8: every day I'm kind of in awe at the level
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 8: of and the amount of news that we have coming in.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: How did you end up getting this position? I mean,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: it's a big deal. You're asking the president questions.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 8: Well, it was a lot of being at the right
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 8: place at the right time, but I was familiar with
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 8: Town Hall. I, you know, a few years back, I,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 8: you know, wrote for PJ and Red State and, you know,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 8: Jennifer Van Laar was one of the people that kind
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 8: of helped me pave the way when I was in
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 8: Arizona and I was kind of doing coverage out there
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 8: for a bit of a time. I was covering Carrie Lake,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 8: Ruben Gallego. In 2024, I was at another outlet for
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 8: some time and I was doing all the things that
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 8: over there to basically, you know, it was a swing state.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 8: And when you do swing state things, you come to
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 8: DC and you get a little bit surprised at, you know,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 8: how different things are in some ways.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: Now you, you're a graduate of a journalism program, correct?
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 8: Yes, I went to Arizona State, Walter Cronkite School of Journalism,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 8: very proudly so.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: A very prestigious one. You learned about journalistic ethics. Do
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: you feel that other media folks are always upholding that standard?
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 8: Well, I think something that has surprised me about D.C.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 8: when compared to local news is I understand there are
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 8: times where journalists We have to use anonymous sourcing.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 13: I understand that. I get that.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 8: The thing where I struggle with, and I understand people
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 8: have their reasons for it, and I've done this before,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 8: is I think there is an overuse in anonymous sourcing.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 8: And I think that's honestly maybe one of the biggest
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 8: issues and where you have a distress for the media
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 8: is when you see stories where there might not necessarily
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 8: be a connection there, where there's a government document or
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 8: something else on the other side of that anonymous info.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: Do you what are the circumstances where you might use
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: an anonymous source?
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 8: So typically, you'll see this a lot in D.C. where
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 8: people don't want to be attributed in a way that
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 8: directly names who they are in order to protect their
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 8: own security or the security of the information you're getting.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 8: That's pretty common. But typically, you'll see the attribution and
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 8: they'll say, you know, American official, U.S.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 13: Official, you see.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 8: That a lot when it comes to international reporting and
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 8: some of these other more serious topics. Where they start
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 8: to lose me, and we're all hypocritical as people, as journalists,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 8: I'm sure I've done this before, where it's something where
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 8: they say they've talked to multiple people, they try to triangulate,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 8: and it's about something that teeters mostly on gossip.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 13: And then you can basically call.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 8: These folks and And they might have just told their
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 8: buddy or their friend, hey, can you just repeat the
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 8: same story? And that's where I think it gets messy.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Are you building up your, well, I'll age myself again,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: your Rolodex, your contacts list now that you're in Washington?
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Are you building up a bunch of people who you
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: can go to to get the facts, maybe on background,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: but maybe for attribution?
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 13: Sure.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 8: And I think the biggest thing, too, here is I've
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 8: been trying to do for our audience, because the reason
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 8: why people come to Town Hall, the reason why people
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 8: come to. people like us is they want transparency. They
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 8: want media they can trust. And something that's been part
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 8: of my philosophy with this role is making sure that
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 8: things are done in a.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 13: Way that's above water.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 8: Meaning if we can attribute something to a person, can
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 8: we do that? And if we can't, why can't we?
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 8: Figuring out the reason why we can't do that. And
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 8: still getting that info, but also making sure that we're
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 8: reaching out to the right people and talking.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 13: To the right people.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 8: And that was something that was a big part of,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 8: you know, when you do local news, because you didn't
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 8: have your network of strategists or consultants that seems like
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 8: in D.C. are never there's a never ending flow of
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 8: those people who are willing to gossip or essentially willing
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 8: to make things up at times. Whereas local news, you
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 8: had to talk with the Republican. Then you had to
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 8: call the Democrat. And then you had to kind of
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 8: maybe get some background info, some extra documents.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 13: And that was your story. That's how you did the news.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 8: And to see how DC sometimes it is in the
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 8: business of maybe narrative creation and story creation, that's kind
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 8: of been something that has surprised me quite a bit.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: Cameron, we're going to have to take a break here,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: and I want to ask you some specifics about your
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: coverage of the visit of Xi. Do you think you
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: can stay over six minutes for another segment with me?
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, that works. Okay.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Before we go, we've still got about a minute. Are
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: you treated differently by fellow reporters because you come from
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: a conservative outlet? We've got about 30 seconds.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 8: But honestly, my philosophy has always been treat everybody with
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 8: kindness and they'll treat you with kindness right back. I think,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 8: you know, people have different experiences based on who they are.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 8: I get along with everybody and be friends with anyone.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 8: So thankfully, I've been blessed in that regard.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that is a very, very wise, beyond
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: your years kind of attitude. I'm excited to have Cameron
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: Arcand back after the break. He's senior Washington correspondent at townhall.com.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: We're going to find out all about what's going on
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: with the G visit and all sorts of other stuff.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: I guess as Kurt Schlechter, stick around. I get excited.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: My little china girl says, oh, baby, just.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: We are back with Cameron Arcad, senior Washington correspondent for townhall.com.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: I'm also from townhall.com as a senior columnist. Cameron, you
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: follow Donald Trump every day. President Xi is in the House,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: the White House. What's happening with that visit?
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 8: So as of right now, we are awaiting for Xi
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 8: Jinping to come back from the Waldorf Astoria, which is
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 8: down the block from the White House, and then arrive
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 8: from state dinner. They'll be around 6.45 or 7 p.m.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 13: Tonight.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 8: Xi Jinping and the president met this morning for a
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 8: bilateral discussion. We don't really know what they discussed. Trump
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 8: went and talked with the press today after he gave
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 8: Xi Jinping a tour of Marine One on the new
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 8: helipad in the South Lawn.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 13: But he didn't really give too much details. He said
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 13: it was a positive meeting.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 8: There were some reporters who I believe shouted some questions
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 8: about different topics.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 13: We don't necessarily know what was discussed.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 8: What we could anticipate was probably some stuff about AI,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 8: maybe fentanyl, maybe the conflict in Iran.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 13: But we don't know the exact details just yet.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: So how long is President Xi going to be here
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: and what interactions are scheduled in the coming days?
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  Speaker 8: So here's what we know so far is we have
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  Speaker 8: the state dinner tonight, and then there's going to be
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  Speaker 8: some tech CEOs that are going to be there as well.
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  Speaker 8: And that's kind of the biggest event on the schedule.
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  Speaker 8: And then tomorrow is actually the last day. This is
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  Speaker 8: a pretty quick visit. And then the biggest thing on
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  Speaker 8: the calendar was, well, the president, the first lady, Xi Jinping,
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  Speaker 8: and then his wife will all go to the National
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  Speaker 8: Archives Museum for a tour there. Now, because this is
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  Speaker 8: a formal state visit, there's a lot of pomp and circumstance.
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  Speaker 8: We saw that this morning. with a military review ceremony.
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  Speaker 8: But in terms of other conversations, I'm sure there will
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  Speaker 8: be more informal discussions as well with the president of
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  Speaker 8: China and the president.
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  Speaker 2: Are we looking for any kind of products or agreements
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  Speaker 2: or joint communiques coming out of this? Or is this
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  Speaker 2: just sort of a meet, shake hands, talk about a
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  Speaker 2: few things, go your separate ways kind of visit?
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  Speaker 8: Well, I think your latter instinct is correct there. In
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  Speaker 8: terms of what we might tangibly see, there's been a
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  Speaker 8: lot of demand from members of Congress and others in
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  Speaker 8: the tech space wanting to see some definitive answers on
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  Speaker 8: global AI regulation and AI safety and the development there.
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  Speaker 8: I think Rubio alluded to this idea of kind of
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  Speaker 8: an international hotline for China and the United States to
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  Speaker 8: communicate if there is an AI related emergency and kind
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  Speaker 8: of similar to what the Soviets in the U.S. had
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  Speaker 8: with technology at that time.
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  Speaker 13: And I think.
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  Speaker 8: You know, that will also, I think, play a role here.
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  Speaker 8: I'm not sure if we're going to get anything tangible
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  Speaker 8: just yet in terms of a product, but we could
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  Speaker 8: be surprised. You know, with President Trump, certain things we
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  Speaker 8: can find out via true social posts. And it might
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  Speaker 8: be a surprise. It might be something that is maybe
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  Speaker 8: a little more curated, might take a little bit more time.
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  Speaker 2: Is there likely to be any kind of developments involving
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  Speaker 2: China related to Iran?
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  Speaker 8: That honestly, at this point, remains the biggest question mark.
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  Speaker 8: I think the president is still trying to keep that
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  Speaker 8: situation fairly isolated. And when he's been asked about China
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  Speaker 8: and Iran before that relationship. He's kind of steered clear
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  Speaker 8: of that. I think the president really wants to narrow
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  Speaker 8: in on what do the Iranians.
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  Speaker 13: Actually want right now.
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  Speaker 8: And we saw yesterday that Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner
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  Speaker 8: earlier this week met through mediators with some of the
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  Speaker 8: Iranian delegation, which, from my understanding, irritated some of the
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  Speaker 8: more hardcore folks in the Iranian regime. But I think
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  Speaker 8: when we look at this more closely now, You know,
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  Speaker 8: I think Trump understands the global order with all of this.
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  Speaker 8: And I think we're not really going to see too
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  Speaker 8: much on that development. But I think it would be
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  Speaker 8: huge for Trump to kind of, you know, if he
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  Speaker 8: were to able get the Chinese into more of his column,
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  Speaker 8: these talks, I think that would be a fascinating development.
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  Speaker 2: Now, you're you're you're a straight news reporter, but you're
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  Speaker 2: also present at the White House. A lot of people
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  Speaker 2: are talking about the midterms. A lot of people are saying, hey,
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  Speaker 2: the Republicans, they're going to be destroyed. What's the vibe
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: at the White House among the staff? Positive, negative, something
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  Speaker 2: in between?
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  Speaker 8: Well, from what I've been reading, it seems like the
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  Speaker 8: White House is preparing for a world where the Democrats
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  Speaker 8: do take a majority in Congress, because what that means
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  Speaker 8: is you can see more investigations, more scrutiny on certain
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  Speaker 8: agenda items. But I think something that will be really
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  Speaker 8: interesting here is. Depending on how the midterms go, I
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  Speaker 8: think what happens after is going to be more interesting,
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  Speaker 8: given that Trump has been very favorable with the House,
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  Speaker 8: but the base has been pushing back very hard against
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  Speaker 8: the Senate.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting. Cam Arcand, senior Washington correspondent for townhall.com, joining us
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  Speaker 2: here on the Hugh Hewitt Show. Thanks for sticking over
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  Speaker 2: a segment, Cam.