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WOE is Shipping · Archons Corner

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Are you sure didn't do that? This is the shift, the blame game.
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You know, titles should be Sarah, not Sam Sarah if you want
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them in Sarah text like like literally like I had everything organized in a nice
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little way. I added some emojis in here that nobody likes, that everyone
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hates. But you know, why can't I put capital letters in the lane?
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Because Discord doesn't recognize capital You have to use it. That's generator,
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So you have to use it. Right, You have to go to a
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website that creates key for Discord bonds and then paste them in, and then
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paste them in the Discard correct on the same page. I don't want to
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feel does I don't want to feel? Hi? This is Michael Hurley from
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Ghost Galaxy and you're listening to Arcon's Corner and you are correct. Okay,
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we got to record some stuff because nobody cares. Well, Yeah, what's
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going on? Everybody? I am the one, the only the wh Okay,
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I eat joined here by my favorite misfits. We had the whole Cruisier
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this week. What's up, guys? YEA draft car is back um from
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sucking. So how was your vacation? Draft car? Where did you go.
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That was great. Uh went to Ireland? Actually you went to Ireland?
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Yeah, I'll hold you went to a whole other country. Yeah.
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Yeah. My brother in law is Irish, so we went to Ireland with
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him. Did you see the Did you kiss the Blarney Stone? No?
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No, we didn't kiss the Blarney Son, but we did plenty of other
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cool stuff. Did you get don't don't kiss? Don't kiss the Blarney Stone?
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Why all the locals will urinate on it? Just oh oh well,
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that's good to know because they find it funny that people are going kissing it?
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Got it? Did you get the chance to sneak away a lot of
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peace stories? Today? You want a lot of peace stories? I think
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you might have a fetish, but that's for different. That's key forge after
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dark. Um, there you go. Did you sneak away for any good
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scotch? I did have some good scotch? Yeah. The So the interesting
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thing was I um uh, because I was like, oh yeah, I'm
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gonna like try some scotches and I'll bring something back that I like, and
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I'll bring something back that you know I can't get here. It'll be so
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cool. But I kept looking stuff up, like basically everything's available in the
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US almost. Yeah, um, from it was it wasn't cheap, and
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it wasn't scotch Actually it was Irish whiskey. I should from Scotland. From
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Scotchland, Scotland. Also Scotchland. Also from also from Scotchland. You've been
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in Have you been drinking tonight? There may not be drinking so right now,
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clearly you've been taking a little bit into the wookie can't talk serum.
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Um, we should bottle that up, just like your secret receiving glue.
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But that's why I mean, But like you're right there, so I thought,
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maybe like there's this you could sneak away a little like I don't know
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how far away you were, I guess so Scotland. Yeah, it's like
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it's like across the across the water, sir, it's not super close.
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Well you never heard of boats? Like is this not a thing in your
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world? Or all right, honey kids, there are people's swimming the English
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Channel and like I mean, I, like I said, I didn't know
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how close to him maybe you got. Maybe you were close enough where you
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could sneak across and then come back sneak across you. I'll tell you how
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far it is. I'll get on a boat. I mean, I guess
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I don't know how far. How long of a boat ride it is too,
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I can't imagine. It's like terribly terribly long. But like I mean,
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see the site, like, oh my god, Dan live a little
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fairy takes two hours? Fair? See it's a faery two hours? See
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the sites whatever. But then we got Dan, what's up Dan? Grumpy?
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Yeah? Yeah, yep, grumpy again. That's accurate. Did you
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get you didn't get your woe yet? Then I can take into accounts now.
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I want my grim reminders cards more than I want more woe decks.
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Ooh whoa, whoa, whoa sour pus. Just kick them out, man,
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This is all about woe now, not gr I've had woe for a
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long time. You haven't had quantity woe that you want and to be able
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to have access to. You've had woe to play with. That's different.
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We have woe at home. We need to get our special names decks and
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our unchained decks so that we can run the AC events. And that's unchaned
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AC event and special named AC events coming suit. This is true. Three
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sucks event. Yeah, I will, I will tell you that. Oh
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yeah, I did get a shipping notice on one of the one of the
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accounts that went through GET. Um, well I found out that's the so
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the in laws had purchased one for my birthday. So Tara is actually the
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one that's that's where, um, that's where that shipment is. Yeah,
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and you got one. Yeah, actually, um it was. It was
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very interesting because that shipment, um, that shipment notice came from US,
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so UPS, and I guess I was anticipating something coming from GIGS. So
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maybe those out there, maybe you're just going to be looking for the shipping
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notice coming directly from UPS. But it says, hey, it's shipping out.
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UPS said, you've got this schedule for tomorrow. So that's Friday for
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us guys, the twelve, that's tomorrow. He is tomorrow. That's exciting.
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Actually, that is that's pretty fun. In order to have multiple shipments
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for me, I mean, I was blossed and lucky enough to be able
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to do that, but to not have to wait for all of it,
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to have it in a couple different series will be fun. So Tuesday,
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Tuesday, Wookie, you should actually come out sheep, are you going to
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be there. We could play somewhere. I will not be there Tuesday,
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unfortunately, but the Tuesday after or that, I will be there because I'm
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taking vacation. That's the reason I can't take that Tuesday off because I have
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to take the sixteenth off for my daughter for donuts, donuts with grown ups.
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And then the seventeenth is my wedding anniversary. That's a thing that exists
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in my world. So uh, speaking of X Ray sucks Z's here.
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Yes, yeah, you're here, and he's here. Just say present present.
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There got something earlier and we got the Ewaukee Yes of Ewaxewalk Junior.
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You already heard of him. He's excited, his love hellow keyborge communities.
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Such great news, guys, I missed last week, but we have news,
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and I know not everyone is super excited. Grumpo's over there, but
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we have the tea news that I missed from last week. I'm glad we
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didn't record on Thursday, but you guys did it on Friday. And we
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have woe that is shipping and people are actually getting shipments and there's preview cards
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that cheap is excited to see for grimm reminders, I mean there's I'm excited.
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Yeah, okay, I don't know what you're excited for, but well
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we'll get there. We'll get there. Something beauty complain about. What can't
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we just be content for like one show? No, Hey, I am
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never satisfied with the status quo. I was pretty happy last week. I
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don't know if you listen, Yeah, like now, we were pretty happy.
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We were allopis doesn't come out yet, so yes, it has ms.
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You're you're right, well, well listen. Yeah. I do usually
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go ahead and listen to our episodes when I'm not here, but I guess
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I didn't. I guess I didn't hit that button. But uh, I
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don't think I had too. I've never had two before. But um,
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all right, well part two, um of this week or next week.
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I'm not sure what week we're in now, but either way, we'll have
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it by the first ball tour, right, yeah, you'll have it in
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market. Hey ever, Hey, everything's on track, Everything is right on
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schedule. Okay, just remember that. Well, let's let's start with our
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actual usual bits. How is your week? Key forage with a br going
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teams, peeps. I just went in my match. It was great.
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I don't like to hear that you're facing us this week and um our team
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one key you know z to that is that's breaking, okay, and that
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is not appreciated here. Man. I I got very lucky and that my
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matchup was against someone running double Martian job generosity, key abduction. My triad
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was very perfectly matched to take that down. I had one deck with jar,
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one deck with double stuff mode, one deck with two control the weekend,
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two scrambler storms. It was very much in my favor. I simply
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didn't ban that deck and beat to that deck once go stry. It is
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simply about identifying your opponents achilles heel and making sure you don't strike that one.
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Do right, you want to strike the achilles heel to beat them?
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No, no, don't do that. Man. That was shout out to
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a Nick. Nick is new for us and he is very active in our
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group. So I appreciate him and I will raise him up. And that
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is that he was nervous before the game. He mentioned that he might be
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playing slow, and like I actually felt he played fine. Like I think
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he played faster than you. Um okay, this this this is where we're
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going, got it? This is speaking we can I could do the submatch
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and play you right here on the cast. I'm pretty sure that I could
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play it slower. We got forty five minutes for this game. Let's let's
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roll it at forty four minutes and uh, people start games. He will,
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he will for that for us, I didn't. I did not start
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the time. I probably would against Ewak. Wow. But if you haven't
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heard news this week, Whoa is released. It is getting shipped two people
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all over the United States. People are getting it. Ewak will get his
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tomorrow. Um, I don't know anybody else tomorrow. Part of it,
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part of it, hey, part of it. That's that's great, that's
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like well, I mean, technically it's early Christmas, but for me this
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was a Christmas presence and a late Christmas. It's like Christmas. It's late,
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but I mean you could look at is it half full or half empty?
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We're we're already for Christmas next year? Man, I'm good. Yeah,
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every okay, So we're all excited for well and with Well comes the
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grim reminder spoilers. That's really what we're hearing to talk about in the future.
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No, we're talking about no, no, no, no, we're
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not talking about grim reminders today. What are we talking about today? Show
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today? Yeah? Yeah, run it, I'll be back let me know
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when you guys are done. Sweet about time, we'll actually have a show
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that, you know, be just as messed up as usual. But it
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might No, it won't get printed either. It could push it out because
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well Wookie won't press that. So yeah, he's like, you guys,
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just let me know what we thought you were listening to us. We will
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just pander to the five people. Yeah, yeah, I thought you were
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leaving now, Wookie, I mean that's I'm already gone. Man. All
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right, well, you know we'll probably increase our our listenership now, so
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good. I've already started a second I've already started two other shows. I
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got my Larkana podcast corner. Um, yeah, lark Corner and um and
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uh. I started a nerd show with one of my other buddies. So
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this is why, this is why our show isn't getting pushed out. But
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hey, we got this. I'm not I'm not editing either of those shows.
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He is that a lot much like you guys. I just gotta show
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up. That is that is the dream, all right? So Ze,
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you took down a brother Nick and Sad Sad tears odd drafts cheap ran away
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out of the country. Yeah, so you're waiting for time time this weekend.
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Yeah, it is a it is a bummer, but you know that's
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where a br it's just getting larger and larger and so it's not my actually
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is um, I don't know. He flew to something foreign country. He's
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exactly. He was doing a draftcar he was going to visit. Yeah,
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but we uh, you know, sheeping my team we're doing we're doing decently
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well. I mean, we've we won them these last two weeks. The
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first two weeks we were off by just one game, so we are we're
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very much in the hunt for a playoff spot. So um so I'm I'm
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feeling overall feeling like we're we're a reasonable spot making me sad Man Yay,
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reasonable, yeah, reasonable? What are You're not in the bottom team there
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are you? Ah? Um? Oh, we won't talk about Bruno.
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Okay, sorry to hear that. We won't talk about brunow the one winless
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team. We won't talk about Bruno. Hey, we're having fun. We're
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playing key forwards and I think that's an important aspect. Um So Wookie.
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How much keyboards did you play this week? I'm not here. I want
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to hurd in Parodum. How much key Forage I play this week? I
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played a couple of games with my son and a couple of games with my
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daughter. Nice, What did you play? Like? What's sets? Well?
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What's sets? Um? I think you know. I'm not gonna lie
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to I don't remember. We went into much like Dan has his box of
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Box of Shame. We went into the Box of Shame and just took two
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whatever was open and played him is that the tonail clippers in that cipper box?
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The one? Oh? Nice? We went into the Box of Shame
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and just played whatever was there. That That means Bookie's played more key Forge
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than I have. Well, I mean you were busy vacationing or something.
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Well, you you went out into like nature? I did, Yeah,
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not much key Forge in nature? Well, this is what I've heard.
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Yeah, and I didn't really I didn't play when when I was on family
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vacation either. Um. I did stop into a game store in Dublin.
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Um and uh. I asked them if they had Nicky Forge? Did they?
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And they did not? He said not anymore? So that had it
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at some point, Um, he was kind of busy, so like there
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was actually it was actually a bunch of people there, which it was like
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the middle of a day on like a Tuesday. I was like, it's
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kind of busy at here. Um, so there were a bunch of guys
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standing around like talking about Warhammer. So I didn't a conversation. You were
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extraordinarily close to the UK and war memers came out there, so yeah yeah,
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um, so I didn't end up chatting him up. But the Star,
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you know, Star was was had a decent not great, but a
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decent board game. I mean it was a fine board game collection. That's
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what That's what I mean to say. It was fine. It was okay,
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that's fine. Yeah, I had had a number of good titles.
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It wasn't like a massive collection. But then I had, you know,
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a decent gaming area for a city, so it seemed like a cool enough
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store. Yeah, all right, time to get into Vault to our reactions.
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Right, we got the Vault tour schedule, which mean Z already talked
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about, Um, I'm booked up, I'm ready to go. Man.
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One Yeah one is going to be in Fairy Yay. That is that the
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seventh of the ninth. I don't have the dates. Yeah, I got
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it. So twenty twenty three initial US vault to our locations. I like
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that it says initial because we were expecting five. It says more to be
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announced. But July seventh through ninth at Philadelphia, Pennsylvania at Delta Hotels by
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Mary at Philadelphia Airport. So July seventh through ninth, yep, we'll all
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be stay at Draft Course. Yeah. I am booked with Hotel draft Kill
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Draftcar. Yup, he's got a spot. Are you are you coming,
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hookie? But I probably no now No. Unfortunately, that weekend is not
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a good weekend for me. So here's the thing about all the dates they
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picked. I feel like they had my personal calendar. Oh is that?
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Why? Is that why they asked me for that? And I was like
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yes, So the seventh or ninth is no buyo for me? Um.
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That is I have family coming in that weekend, family from Iowa. And
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then what's the next one, Jarre. The next one we have is July
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fourteenth through sixteenth at Roseville, Minnesota at Games Center Roseville. So every next
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weekend, so back to back. That's a little rough for some people,
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But I feel like these were these were designed to get a lot, a
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lot like their original game plan was to have all the Vault tours done and
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what a month or two yeah? Two months? Right? Yeah, So
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I feel like the game plan was always like every other week for us and
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then every other week international. I feel like that was the game plan.
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I don't know, yeah, that that's that's sort of what they had hinted,
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right, which I UM wouldn't have been my first choice, and it
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is going to bed, but I feel like their their weekends. It wasn't
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designed like the old Vault tours were, Like the old Vault Tours were more
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designed to like, oh, it's a mass gathering once a month or once
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every other month. It was it once a month? It was once a
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month, wasn't it. Yep? Yeah yeah. If these were more designed
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to be like, this is Vault Tour season, right, you got eight
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weeks to have Vault Tours and then there there we move on to the next
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phase. But either way, UM asked me what happened July fourteenth, two
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thousand and ten. What happened July fourteenth, twenty ten, We me and
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my wife welcome to new baby girl. Into the world. So the fourteenth
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of the sixteenth, no boy no for me because that will be my daughter's
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birthday. And then what's the next one? Jare September fifteenth through the seventeenth,
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Dallas, Texas at Embassy Suits by Hilton Dallas Park Central. So ask
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me what happened on September seventeenth of two thousand and eight. What happened on
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September seventeen? Born? No, I had my firstborn son. Oh okay,
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so that weekend we'll also yeah, little little Wookie, So that weekend's
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also a no boy no. So it was like, Wow, it's to
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the events. Huh, bring them to the events. That's totally what they
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want. Yeah, that's totally what my daughter. My daughter definitely doesn't want
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to hang out with all her friends on her birthday. Instead, she would
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rather go play Key Forge in Roseville, Minnesota. She has friends. She
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yes, that is what she needs to do for her birthday. Didn't you
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just say that you guys are playing key Forge We were playing key Fororge.
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Yes, but she she this is her birthday. I mean we've had this
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plan for some time. This isn't just going to be a have the friends
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over at home. This is this is actually like a big birthday. So
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we're having it at the Garcade for those of you were having it at the
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Garcade, which is a it's a big arcade like they have like I don't
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know, like two thousand or soul um old school arcade machines in video games
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to play local area. That's like a garage arcade there. Sweet. Yeah,
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you've you've seen the Garcade. It's right down the old yeah, from
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ould t K by the way, TK has is moving to they have moved
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into a new spot. Yeah again. And then they sold all their key
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forge yes, or listed it all in bicel trade. Yeah, all of
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the old all the old old people, which I tried to buy that stuff
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from him so many times. So I'll take this side. Tangent Um.
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I was tore on this u the op, knowing that it wasn't given out
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when we were desperately trying to build our scene. We needed anything to be
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able to give out. That hurts a lot, right Um. To see
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that it's then being sold was a little frustrating. But it was given to
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someone who is struggling with some really big health issues, and it was given
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to her in order to go ahead and try and get money to cover some
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of her medical bills. Now that's the story. I have to believe people.
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I have to believe people that wookie um and so as a result,
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because I don't, I'm not. That at least makes me feel a little
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better. But but all of those are promos that we have a ton of
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We don't need anything there, so true, it just would it would have
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been great three years ago. The LP was bad, but there was a
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bunch of gammattacks, which also I think are all bad. Yeah, probably,
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I can't imagine any of them are any goer. There was Gamma decks
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in there. Yes, the only thing I wanted was actually the deck that
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said TK, because when he first got his Gamma decks, we got UM.
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They had an issue with the Gamma decks that it didn't say TK Game
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Store, it just set a general's like and so he was waiting on the
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t K games and as that was our local, I would have liked to
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have had a Gamma deck with the t K store name. But yeah,
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yeah, yeah, this is unfortunately I don't know if he's listening, Probably
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not, I would guess. So this is kind of one of the reasons
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we kind of stopped supporting. So um. Yeah. So unfortunately, here's
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my question, Wookie. The next bullet point says more to be announced.
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So what what do you have listed for the more to be announced? That
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would be a conflict because could still yeah, Gig could still be working on
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it. We got to make sure that you, shoul I should I should
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tell him about weekends. I'm business, So that with a yeah, I
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mean, that's that's what I'm putting out here. I'm getting. Well,
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let's let's take let's take a look. Um after September. We got August
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birthday. That's that's tiny, livy. Um, that's gonna probably be that
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last weekend in August. We're in September, so I think that they're looking
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after September as much. Right, Oh, that's true, that's true.
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Okay, September. Then we get into October. There could be in August
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Okay, yeah, okay, I mean there could be in August, but
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that last yeah all, well, but you have you have gen con there
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too, right October. I mean October is always in rough mob is literally
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the like gen comes the first week week ind of August, like second or
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whatever. Yes, so you still have that entire month that would conflict with
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nothing else. Well, the only other thing they'd be looking at is really
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October. No, I mean, if we're looking at it, I mean
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August. Yeah, but then you got October, like October, but then
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November you've got another celebration, right yeah yah yeah, Well then no,
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that's world so you have to do it all before November, right, So
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I mean October October is just a rough, rough month in general. I
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got a lock one on that month. Um, we got I think it
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would be hard to do with October because then those are people like if they
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get Worlds invites, they would not have already booked. Yep. I the
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October too far. I'm thinking you're gonna look at If they announced two more
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dates, I expect them to be in August in September, I guess.
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I guess is the rough month with with with the tiny's birthday? Um September?
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Every day in August, No, she wasn't, she's born with dust.
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Look, he's going to give us an excuse for every day August twenty
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three she was born, So that would be what that last weekend July?
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I guess. Yeah, So you're looking at the twenty fifth of the twenty
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seventh and more than likely be available while you're tying to take notes from Dan
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and me. You need to overcome obstacles to get the keyboard events with like
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a grounding in fanaticism in an irrational irrational logic. Yeah, and that is
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how you make it too. Well. You have to also remember that I
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am a one income home, so I mean that's that's all where the fanaticism
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interrrational logic come into play. Yeah. If I could find that irrational logic,
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I would love it, but I have yet to find it, so
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well, a lot. The only other thing would be anything that has to
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do with work, because obviously I'm going to and I work retail, so
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that means weekends are part of that. But I anything that has to do
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with that which I don't have all, you know, I don't know a
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lot of the work stuff comes up maybe a week if I'm lucky, two
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weeks in advance. Well, I'm gonna say on a different note, because
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there's still a lot to unpacked from even this announcing the three first balls,
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I'm excited that we got dates. I'm excited that um there will be there,
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sheep will be there drafts Core will probably be a one, maybe two.
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Well and cheap. And I actually got together on Tuesday. While we
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didn't play cheap, what do we do on Tuesday when we got together grant
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beer. We did do that. I think that was delicious and yeah,
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we spend money, so we we we are going. Um in fact,
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that September fifteenth to Dallas. That September fifteenth to Dallas is booked and that
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is the first flight for KeyForge for ewok here. So there's the actual investment
26:30
versus just driving, which is that next level up. And I will say
26:34
this is actually the first day that I can technically, well, I'm taking
26:41
it a day early, but I'm not supposed to take off vacation the first
26:45
two weeks with the kids, and this would be the Friday of that and
26:48
we're gonna take off because we're gonna So that is there. I will say
26:56
that I will also be in Roseville, um July fourteenth, sixteenth, that
27:00
is going to happen Philly. Philly just threw another curveball. Since Sheep and
27:07
I saw that on Tuesday, it has gone up again in flight costs.
27:10
But that is the one where um, I need a buddy to go and
27:15
fly with sheep. But Sheep Sheep's run out of PTO times, so I
27:21
have to see I may be coming out. I have not been to Philly
27:22
before, Drazz, and I may just come out by myself and then I
27:29
get to hang out with everyone there. Just drive it, you could,
27:33
I mean that to your neck of the woods. I drove. It was
27:37
a long drive. I can totally drive it. Um. The issue that
27:41
I have is the week after, because we're turning around. It's a long
27:45
drive coming out, a long drive coming back, and then I'm going up
27:48
to Roseville. UM. And so I still see the price point for me
27:53
as being a flight. Um. That's the short answer. So we'll see.
27:59
That has not been looked yet. But it does look like those those
28:03
three are very very very doable. UM, if you're realistic, I'm going
28:07
to gencun as well. But if if we're realistically looking at August, um,
28:11
that would be out at the start of school. UM, I just
28:15
don't. I can't take off um in that time periods. That would also
28:22
be a problem for me because start of school is all even for non teachers,
28:26
any parent is very very busy at the start of school. M maybe
28:32
the scene of one easy kid. Yeah, I mean if I only had
28:37
one, that'd be great, But I mean there happens, there's three of
28:41
them. If I was smart, I will carry I will carry the ac
28:44
torch for all of us. Thank you, we appreciate it. I don't
28:48
Hey, I'm going to If I make Philly, I don't think I would
28:52
be able to make any other events this year. And then Philly feels year
28:56
the whole year. Well, he's saying outside of Rose and down and then
29:03
again, because Worlds is in Minnesota, assuming the schedule isn't anything different than
29:08
these, I should be able to do that. But you have to add
29:12
extra events. It's gonna be tough because they're all they're all a minimum of
29:19
one day off work yep, really by the time you travel. So that
29:26
makes them tough to do. And I think with that, it's perfect timing
29:30
on what is the vaults going? What does it actually look like? And
29:34
so it kind of goes into it. I was gonna say, yeah,
29:37
yeah, it is perfect timing because the biggest thing right now is going to
29:41
be what are the formats? Yeah, so coming from how goodness, what
29:47
was this announcing the first vault tour locations ten thousand dollars price pool per events
29:51
and this was keyforging dot com. May fifth, you can see ghost galaxies.
29:56
Please to announce the first batch of cities for the twenty twenty three as
30:00
Vault Tours. Each stop will consist of three days of competition, so that's
30:03
why Sheep's taking You're looking Friday, Saturday, Sunday and fun to unlock the
30:07
secrets and power of the Vaults and cash prizes to winners. Each Vault Tour
30:11
stops will feature both an ARCon and Alliance tournament, with the top four finishers
30:15
in each tournament receiving cash prizes and the top two finishers in each tournament qualifying
30:21
for a first round by in the twenty twenty three Keyboard World Championship Tournament held
30:26
at Keyboard Celebration twenty twenty three in Roseville, Minnesota on November tenth through twelve.
30:32
What do you guys think of that news, because there's a couple of
30:33
switches from what we had initially. Play Go Yeah, but did you go
30:38
into the formats? Did you say the formats because there's an ARCon, Yeah,
30:45
there's a star there. Note that Arkon and Alliance tournaments will be held
30:48
simultaneously, so players will need to decide which one to enter prior to the
30:52
tournaments. Right, So here's my issue. That's a lot of money for
31:00
me not to even stand a prayer. What do you mean? What do
31:04
you well? I okay, I agree with you, Wookie, so you
31:11
have a better shot than me, sheep, just shut it over there,
31:15
shot I was agreeing with Wookie doesn't have a shot, right, Okay,
31:22
don't. I don't. I don't. Why are we bashing Wookie's place skills
31:25
here? Like, what's going No, it's not about his place. That's
31:29
about my deck collection. Like, I don't have a fraud in my collection.
31:32
I don't have any I could I could have, but no, he
31:40
couldn't have. Again, it's about irrational logic and fanaticism. That is how
31:47
you win a people. Yes, and I have more of that, so
31:52
he couldn't have been a fraud. At one point, I thought that AC
31:57
team was going out on the deck. Then it just turns out Dan just
32:00
went rogue and just in for himself. Yes, we ran out of AC
32:08
dollars, so I had to go get you know, right, so pour
32:13
in dollars, poor and porn dollars dollars. I think you said poor in
32:19
dollars. I was like, you star, I don't know where his dollars
32:21
coming. Did you started only fans and tell no one? Like what?
32:25
I guess I don't know my fans? But Okay, So, like,
32:30
let's let's be honest. Who really has shots at this? Who has people?
32:37
There are a lot of people who have a lot how many, Like,
32:40
let's let's be honest. Okay, forty Do you think it's that many?
32:46
Do you think forty people at least? I was gonna say twenty five
32:52
tops. Now, because there are multiple events and they're all over you're are
33:00
you those forty people are showing up to each event, They're gonna show up
33:04
to one, so like ten at any particular event. Right, But I'm
33:12
saying, like, let's just say all the key forage in the US,
33:15
right, let's say all the people are showing up, all the top decks
33:20
that are that are out there are going to show up to this event?
33:23
Right? How many people actually? Have you think there's forty players that are
33:30
going to have top If we're saying all it's higher than that, you think
33:34
it's higher? Huh? I think you're spoken something. I think you under
33:40
value how much matchup matters. No, I don't think it still is a
33:45
paper rock scissors. There are some decks that have limited counters that are there,
33:51
but there are and it being best of one for most of most of
33:55
the tournament is is a big deal. It is until finals, Until the
34:00
finals, right, I just I think I think you're I think forties being
34:06
very generous. I don't think it's that high. All right, Well you
34:10
can think different than me, that's fine, okay, fair I was gonna
34:15
say twenty five tops, but I don't there are more thanty decks twenty five
34:22
decks or forty and twenty five people. Yeah, maybe we're talking the same
34:27
thing, but two different things. Because like x Ray owns how many five
34:36
ze Owens? Like four, Nova owns three? You know what I mean?
34:40
Like that, that's what I'm saying, Like how many players are actually
34:43
I mean Dan owns one. There are than one. But there are a
34:50
lot of decks that I see and I can win there. There are a
34:59
lot of them now they are controlled in in the fairly tight group. Like,
35:04
yes, the number is still maybe a hundred, so so how many
35:09
how how many players you're saying forty players that are active with really top end
35:15
decks. I don't. I don't know. Um, I mean like when
35:19
you look at the US, if you were to use a BR as a
35:22
thing, like on the teams, half of each team players have real arc
35:29
on decks? No? Is that? Maybe I'm a little high there,
35:34
A third of players have real arc on decks. M I think you're still
35:39
a little high, But I definitely don't think I'm as high at saying a
35:44
third of the players on each team have a real arc on deck. A
35:47
third of the player? Wait, how many players are our team again?
35:52
Ten or twelve? No? Eleven this season? Eleven this season? So
35:57
how many? Was so two players per team to four players per create?
36:00
Four players per team probably have a real arch on death? And how many
36:04
teams are out there? Eight? Yeah? Eight questions? Okay, so
36:09
my four R twenty five to forty count is right on with that. But
36:14
I mean a BR doesn't have every every player, true, But I mean
36:22
aren't there isn't there a sizeable want of foreign players too? Yeah? Like
36:25
a fourth of AVR is probably foreign of this, right, So I mean
36:29
I'm assuming a lot of foreign players aren't going to show up to these.
36:32
I'm saying just us would would be my assassin. True, So I don't
36:38
know either. Isn't this what we want is we want people to feel that
36:44
anyone still has a shot to be able to win this. I would say
36:46
yes, isn't that good for the game field? I see both sides of
36:53
the arts because if there because if yeals we need I'm crying. I'm crying
37:00
well because the thing is like, okay, so you make it into sealed,
37:04
right, So you make it, you make your world's appearance with a
37:07
sealed Now we understand what you're saying. And then you go and what do
37:10
you take into worlds? Right? What do you take the world because you
37:14
want to seal with duh. Yeah. So so here's here's where I've gotten
37:19
to Drazz, I'm with you and that I want to see sealed. But
37:22
I think Seal's going to show up as side events. That's that's where my
37:25
my conjecture is going to come in. I will go ahead in but I
37:32
mean, I'm just saying, I'm saying that's a fun Friday thing. But
37:36
it's like, I don't know, like, but when you're looking Alliance on
37:39
Friday and things called a side event. But if we're looking if we're looking
37:44
at our counter alliance, those are more it's a different skill set. I
37:47
wouldn't say more skill testing, but it's a different skill set than Sealed.
37:52
And so in this regard, if they're putting up money, which is what
37:55
the Vault Tour here, I mean they're they're announcing a ten thousand dollars high
38:00
school, fifty thousand dollars. They have money that's there for Worlds. I
38:04
can see where they want it to be skill testing and focused. I'm sad
38:09
because I do think that there's skill testing for Seal. It's a different set
38:13
of skills. But they've definitely they've definitely passed that. They've paved this way
38:16
for it to be ark on an alliance in that skill set. I still
38:22
think that I still would like to see a World's format where it is you
38:28
have to go into all three. I think that it's possible in the future.
38:34
I just think this year maybe you know what I mean, like op
38:37
like give gg maybe next year we can start to see something a little bit
38:40
better. They do listen, and they've adjusted as we've gone through um,
38:45
as we've progressed. I think someone just posted that gig just celebrated their one
38:50
year after purchasing the game, that that came out earlier this week, if
38:54
I'm correct, And so there has been a lot of movement from gg US
39:00
the year. I think that their timeline for getting Woe out was it just
39:06
didn't happen. But we have events now, we have a successful future to
39:10
look forward to, and I do think OP in twenty twenty four is going
39:14
to be even that much better. And I'm excited for twenty twenty three OP
39:16
again. People are amazing, we have events, We're gonna have a blast.
39:22
Yes, I'm excited to play in the vaults. I share the Drazzs
39:28
feelings about not having sealed. Um. I think that was where I met
39:31
like a lot of the people at big events that were like coming in back
39:37
when the game was newer. I don't think the same people would have come
39:39
in back then had not been sealed. We already know we're gonna have two
39:45
world champions, like for our Continent Alliance. Like I really don't see why
39:51
we couldn't have just had all three run concurrently the whole way through, Like
39:55
why not have all three run up the sta same time? You have to
40:00
pick. We're already okay, Like we saw that at KFC. Everyone understands
40:05
here in this current model that are going alliance, you have to pick one,
40:08
but like give the people that want the Sealed experience, Like draft Core
40:12
would pick Sealed every single time. And like, I think a lot of
40:15
I might have bought a fancy deck if I do see Holm was always getting
40:19
it might be playing Seal, Like you wouldn't have spend you know, that's
40:23
access that a rational logic and fanaticism to buy a deck. I'm like,
40:29
hold on, I got a question. We're gonna have a time out for
40:30
a second. We're running our kind of alliance at the same time. So
40:34
what you're actually hypothesizing is that we would run Sealed our kind of alliance.
40:37
Do you think that they would have enough staff in order to support all three
40:42
or well? The thing is like as you add events, like our player
40:45
pool is so small right now, like you're not actually adding the need for
40:50
that much more people like we've seen them, we've run them. Um,
40:52
Basically, it's just do you have enough people out there they're willing to judge
40:57
that you can put it as like ahead of each event, because as the
41:00
events get smaller, they'd become much more manageable for that head judge, especially
41:05
since most of it's all gonna be run with software. Now, UM,
41:07
that should be more accessible since they're building said software. So if the software
41:12
is cumbersome, it is entirely their fault. Um. So then what the
41:16
monet the monetary amount or the monetary support be split as well into three using
41:22
three things like i' there's for ARCon because there's ten for ARCon and ten for
41:30
Alliance, So I no, no, no, there, yes, please
41:39
don't or they could have like three for each event in one thousand for whatever
41:46
that thing on Friday is. Or you could just do three three thousand,
41:52
three hundred and thirty three dollars. I don't even need, don't even need
41:57
dollars. Just yeah, I know this is what we got this season.
42:01
But like, if this is reviewed at the end of like you know,
42:05
I'm at the board table, what could we do better? How can we
42:07
get more people these events? Um? Seal brings people to vaults, They
42:12
were the most attended US vaults here. Um. I think that is what
42:15
I would like to see in the future. And we would just have three
42:17
world champions. You would have one for each of the things, and I
42:20
think that's fine. Um, like actually taking what key Forge was probably strongest
42:25
at and and accentuating that this is crazy. No, let's do something key
42:32
Forge was not designed for and put an investment into Alliance where the game is
42:37
well all people love that too, though, but that's the thing. They
42:43
could be run at the same time. Someone over there playing Alliance has no
42:46
impact on my psyche and enjoyment playing Archon at my table. That is fine.
42:52
We can all co exist and be happy together. Sheep, It's okay.
42:57
It's not let it go cheap by the by Alliance players. Like if
43:02
we added, as he shivers that even the idea of breaking apart three decks,
43:10
Wookie would have somewhere to play if we had a sealed table and drafts
43:14
or has a spot in arc On Reliance, and he will do well in
43:19
either one, but he would much prefer that seated that sealed table. Yeah,
43:23
I do. Like, so I've said all this cast before that,
43:27
like I've I've never really bought a deck more than thirty dollars, right,
43:32
Like I don't really spend much money on an individual deck. Now, I
43:37
bought tons of sealed Um, I don't know. Does this mean I should
43:43
think about buying a real deck? I don't know. I'm I'm sure it
43:47
depends, because yes, it depends, right, Is this is this gig
43:54
giving us the flag that hey, Sealed isn't going to be a thing anymore.
43:58
This is not something we're going to support anymore. I think that'd be
44:00
silly on their part. They have to do it for the stores, right,
44:04
because seal is what sells who cares about? But even if it's at
44:08
the stores, we're not talking about until twenty twenty four, right, Like
44:10
that's you won't see store tournaments stuff until twenty twenty four. We know this
44:15
is what we have all the way through this in year. It is our
44:20
kind and alliance. So like I am campaigning for the far future, Sealed
44:24
is basically put on the back burner at the top level this year, Like
44:28
that is what we're here? Is what I mean to buy a deck if
44:32
you want to compete in twenty twenty three when you're just borrow mine? But
44:37
that like, is it is there a star level? If there isn't a
44:43
vault level? Right? Like if if I'm telling like there is, right,
44:47
But is it going to be as can there be. That's the thing.
44:52
Like most of my like I had one of the largest local communities there
44:55
was in the country before everything died, almost all of those people did not
45:00
go to Vault other than the one that happened to show up in Texas.
45:04
So these are actually mutually exclusive things. There is a store level without ball.
45:08
Yeah, they're just people played with us went to a Vault. Yeah,
45:13
I would. I would argue this Vault tour schedule that we see for
45:16
this year is really for the players like us, guys. I think this
45:21
was more for us and that's why we're not seeing the well. But but
45:28
picture like it helps and you have the deck, so okay, we were
45:31
asking we want to play, we want to play. Here you go,
45:32
guys. And I also think the other side is product has been an issue
45:37
to this point. So by not putting sealed this year, but hopefully for
45:42
next year, they can have product that they're more in control of. It's
45:45
in the stores, it's there for any Vault tour ups. So picture if
45:52
if Woe gets really really popular, we don't know when it's coming up to
45:55
retail. I didn't actually fact that in. I did not a factor in
45:59
a availability of products being a reason that we're not seeing top in s.
46:04
I guess that could be a thing. It seems weird since they print all
46:08
the stuff in house. But picture what we had to do for Live.
46:12
I mean, we're not GG, but we had to source that. And
46:15
right now, I guess it doesn't say who's running the events. So maybe
46:22
that's the next question that we would need to know who's running the events,
46:24
because if it's from the sounds of it, it does sound like it sounds
46:31
like Gig is running the events, even from what's going on in our discord.
46:36
But if you have a joined our discord jar discord um. I mean,
46:40
Jeremy kind of even hinted that it's it's gonna be Gigi. Yeah,
46:45
it's all him, it's Jeremy. These are the voult tours by Jeremy.
46:50
I mean it doesn't have to be, but I mean that's the way they
46:53
want to do it. So this is what it is. I mean,
46:55
I think it makes sense, right like, I mean, I think it
47:00
makes sense the company should invest their time, money and helping build the game
47:04
so it can sell lots of stuff. That makes sense. Yep, all
47:09
right, I mean we already decided, right, Jeremy's just gonna get a
47:13
van Keyford d around the country like we're just gonna have like a trailer behind
47:20
him. He's that all the ball shit back there. He's gonna be like,
47:23
I know, I know, we joked about this. That does seem
47:27
more and more likely. You know, drive down the road, kids will
47:30
pump their arms, it'll blow on the horn like from the tenth to the
47:36
thirteenth. That's what Jeremy's gonna be. He's to be driving from Philadelphia the
47:39
Roseville, Minnesota. Hey, Jeremy, if that's the case, you're going
47:45
right by my house this work. I'll ride in, you know, the
47:50
gig wienermobile. We're good. Oh my god, I need to see this,
47:53
the gig weenermobile. What is that you're saying? What do you what
47:58
do you think he drives out hun or something. So it's gonna be uh
48:02
yeah, I think maybe Vanagon and it'll be the Voltagon gus like he seems
48:08
like maybe smart car. Watch him draw it out carw you go. What
48:20
are the chances he drives in f one fifty? Oh my god, he's
48:24
not only is from Texas now and is uh okay, okay, definitely a
48:31
thing. That's a thing. Well, y'all mention you're going like, sheep,
48:35
what do you So you're going to some like a handful of vaults?
48:37
Is great? What are you gonna? What? What's your formatius? There's
48:45
there's choices, Yeah, there's there's two choices. It's the binary yaps for
48:50
now. I only saw one. Okay, so I saw you could go
48:54
and play key Forge or you could do some other bull crap. So you
49:00
could take pink fraud and go play in Alliance and see you So you are
49:09
correct, because, in all honesty, when I play fraud online to practice
49:15
it, I often play it in Alliance matches just to see yeah, because
49:22
you just need a real opponent. Wow, And I don't feel bad playing
49:25
fraud against a Lion's deck, where when I just play against anything average casual,
49:30
I'm like, yeah, like what I did that weekend when I was
49:35
on average? Let's go two days? Um? Okay, So real question
49:43
then, jr uh looks like you're making two by my account? Was it?
49:50
Philly is is a is a question mark, but it is leaning towards
49:53
a more positive you. You an ARCon or you're gonna go to the dark
49:58
side. We are talking strategy. Know he will be in second number ouch
50:07
with the rest of us ouch slum slumming it like like an reasonable adult in
50:17
drazz sealed. Just not an option. Well, definitely our tom. Yeah
50:24
right, there no such thing as alliance in my mind. We see there
50:31
is there is still alliance in my mind. And I know what happened Tuesday
50:35
when when Sheep and I talked about this, but it is not completely ruled
50:38
out for me. I mean I can see your justification. You're like,
50:43
I can't. I mean my assumption is the vaults are probably going to be
50:49
smaller than celebrations. Yeah right, so say eighty people coming, so it's
50:55
gonna be a fifty thirty, a sixty twenty split. Maybe you might.
51:01
We did the math you're here. We did the math last it was actually
51:06
forty percent of the field was an alliance. So if we're looking at sixty
51:12
people, I mean you're looking at what twenty four or thirty six. So
51:16
but here's what was really odd. This was well known for celebration as being
51:21
a trial, and there were a number of individuals who purposely went out of
51:25
their way to try alliance there, and they voiced that and said I'm trying
51:30
it to either break or to like hat like to give feedback. They said
51:34
the numbers, but they said that they wouldn't but they said they would never
51:38
play that again. So I don't think those numbers are realistic. People say
51:43
stupid things online all the time. This is even just talking to people.
51:47
So, um, that's true. If you're like talking to in person,
51:52
that's always a little bit more real than fools, right and stuff and discord
51:57
with the confidence of a eight year old American. Um so yes, it
52:01
may be easier to top cut alliance. Um, I mean like twenty four
52:07
people walking into Alliance, Like you just need to win four games you're in
52:14
three four, Like it's gonna cut the field super quick. Yes, um
52:21
so yeah, I think that's just four wins and you make if that's only
52:23
twenty four people, so like that would be a factor in the keyboard calculus
52:29
that you would need to consider if you're at this is also this is also
52:32
assuming there's gonna be seventy people. I think you might be looking at a
52:37
smaller field. We said, I use the number at sixty, did you
52:40
seventy? Yeah, sixty people gives you you have the same split twenty four
52:46
people playing Alay. I still think sixty might be generous with how late they
52:51
came in. Those regions are super populated. We did this one. They
52:55
are because there's probably there's probably a ton of people who are like, hey,
53:00
it's in my town, I might as well go. You're probably right,
53:04
You're probably like those population centers are massive, and then you've got the
53:07
idiots like neither going to spend the money to go wherever. Like well,
53:10
but that's why I think it's hard to get under sixty. I would be
53:14
surprised if you don't think it's as hard as you think, because I think
53:17
I think the biggest thing right now is you're it's that's julyman, that's the
53:22
weekend. That's that's literally the weekend right after that's Fourth of July weekend.
53:30
So you have a lot of people just use their vacation to go somewhere for
53:35
the fourth or or they're either getting off of vacation, or a lot of
53:39
people do it because it's on a Tuesday. It's a weird Fourth of July
53:43
Tuesday, so a lot of people will do it. The next like like
53:46
the people that are coming to town to come visit us that this is their
53:50
Fourth of July weekend, right, so they're taking the time off later in
53:53
the week to come do something like I don't it is six Is it tough
54:00
to get under sixty? Yes? For for that area you were talking about,
54:06
like New England, like you're going to hit we have it. That's
54:10
actually yeah, Yeah, Philadelphia is a well chosen place. I hate walking
54:21
around the city because I feel like I'm gonna die, but so I'm not
54:23
going to do that. But yeah, well, if they're not careful,
54:29
coming from a guy who lives in Texas and he's afraid of Philly. So
54:34
there's a couple things that I think are really important, And I want to
54:37
kind of pause here because what jumps out at me. None of these are
54:40
attached to a con. If you look Philly, it's Delta Hotels by Marriott,
54:46
the Game Center in Minnesota, and then Embassy Suites. So you don't
54:52
have like the cons that are going to carry people who are already there into
54:58
your space. You have gamers who are coming out explicitly for KeyForge. I
55:02
do think that the week after Fourth of July, with this late in the
55:07
year, people have Fourth of July plans, so I think that will potentially
55:12
lower the amount of individuals who are coming out. But I think this is
55:15
also why it's important for us to pull those locals and encourage them and have
55:21
them come out. We want to see individuals who are goals come on out,
55:27
and I want everyone to feel like they have a chance. I do
55:29
think the lack of Sealed as a primary event being announced isn't going to draw
55:36
as many individuals, and so that those are the different thoughts that keep going
55:40
through my head. But I think it's very interesting. These are all at
55:44
non con locations. I like them. They're not in a con location.
55:49
That means it's I mean it's already what I mean, drazz Corps post and
55:52
post in flight details on the chat here. I mean you're looking at what
55:57
three ninety was? Yeah, a couple of is this two different? Yeah,
56:01
I'm trying to get cheep here. Yeah, we're actually looking at Midway
56:06
and it's yeah, we're looking at Midway and it's it was it was three
56:10
No, it's three fourteen. An American that we were looking at. It
56:13
bounced up to three forty um and that's that's a direct flight. Yeah,
56:21
yeah, the one Yeah, the one. The one problem with the Philly
56:25
Airport hotel is that it's near absolutely nothing. Um, you have to drive
56:31
to get anywhere is the problem because it's all the way everywhere anywhere you're playing.
56:39
Don't need to go anywhere you're playing keys. Just don't let sheep disagreezy,
56:46
Like, I'm I'm disappointed about going to Philly because I'm gonna have to
56:52
fly on Friday and fly out Sunday night and not to be able to have
56:55
draft Car experience in the home of drafts Car. And this sounds too depressing
57:00
to want to think about. I show up to play the game. You
57:05
know this, So now I like to hang out and do things to I
57:09
do you hang out with the people while I'm playing keyboard? Yeah, but
57:14
she don't do anything afterward. You're going to go right back to the hotel
57:15
and playing keyboards. This is probably why I play more keyboards. Like that's
57:22
the point on what we do, I understand, but also the point of
57:27
what we don't think you do. I think our priorities are just different.
57:34
Again, you need to invest in that fanaticism. Yeah, I already invested
57:38
in the fanaticism. I run a show weekly about it. What I would
57:43
like to see is a nice deck that is better than what I have available.
57:49
That that's what I'm looking for. So all of our beautiful listeners,
57:52
please, there are so many decks better than what you have. Okay,
57:57
it's not even just a matter of better than what I have, but I
58:00
do have criteria. Z Okay, just bring my five Heart of the Forest
58:07
deck that only exists in your mind. No, no, it's gonna be
58:13
If you're playing Alliance, I cannot help you. But if you're not playing
58:15
Alliance, I'm sure we could wear something out. All right? Moving forward?
58:22
What do we got next on the agenda? See, we did the
58:25
vault tours, did gen Conno? Did the Bow? Are we gonna get
58:29
into the spoilers or are we not interested in spoils? We want to wait
58:32
times, no spoilers. If there's any more splash attack, I'm I'm gonna
58:40
I'm gonna I'm gonna splash attack fireballs. Yeah, yeah, I would I
58:47
would like to watch. Is that fair to say? Yeah? We did
58:53
have a lot of people ask us about like vaults are coming back, Like
58:58
what does it mean? Pay prayer and pack for vaults and stuff? I
59:02
think that we could definitely do an episode on prepping for a vault, because
59:07
I mean it is go to the archives. We could do it again.
59:12
I mean there's lots of new players, lots of new people. I mean,
59:15
just because we get a good water bottle that's our number one tip,
59:20
That is a fantastic tip. I'm not good. Does the fact that it's
59:23
not Swiss change anything, because like a lot of like what our tip war
59:27
was because it was guaranteed to be six rounds, like like it's not even
59:30
guaranteed to be more than four rounds. Wo. But I mean it can
59:36
be. I think it can be a hell of a lot. If you
59:39
remember, like in Double m if you lose game one, you are going
59:44
to be playing a long time. Yeah, and those snacks might become more
59:47
important than ever. Yeah, yeah, the water in the snacks might become
59:52
more important than ever. I mean, if we're looking at advice for the
59:57
next season, I would still like to see how how the process to be
1:00:06
able to get in is kind of worked out. I would like to see
1:00:09
your double limbs whisp. I just I don't like that long trail if you
1:00:15
end up facing off and you have a bad matchup, but you're the second
1:00:19
best deck. You have to if you face the wrong deck in game one,
1:00:23
you have to run all the way back through the gauntlet. Yeah.
1:00:28
Hey, in the KFL bracket, I'm in. I lost my first game.
1:00:32
Yeah, that's what happened to my buddy. Like he was knowing sealed
1:00:36
alliance for the first time, like goes his first big key Ford to Vin.
1:00:39
Ever, his deck was actually pretty good. He lost game one and
1:00:44
then like he showed it to me and we like switched one of the house's
1:00:46
because his alliance. And then he won like six in a row, and
1:00:52
then he lost his final match. If he had won that he would have
1:00:54
been in. But like he in the end it went six and two all
1:01:00
the same person in the event that went five in oh made it like he
1:01:05
technically won more games. Like it's really really weird. Like I don't know.
1:01:10
I was a big proponent of the Swiss style double limb. Just turn
1:01:15
it into like keep it as Swiss, make it a double limb, you're
1:01:17
out, kind of like how he used to do as Survivor with three lives.
1:01:22
This time you just have two lives. Same day. Um, I
1:01:25
don't know. I told everyone I could think to tell and I think we're
1:01:30
going to be seeing just the normal double limb as presented until at least next
1:01:35
year. But I'm saying like that that would be a change for me that
1:01:37
I would like to see. I still think I care more about seeing like
1:01:42
sealed as the third option. Yeah, I agree on a timeline here seeing
1:01:47
sealed as number one, but that is a very very distant, very very
1:01:52
distant, but it still would be important to me. Like the double limb
1:01:55
is just like a comfort of life thing for the players, um for if
1:01:59
they do lose that first round, but like the sealed thing is huge,
1:02:01
Like I would very much hope we see that in the future. If we
1:02:06
end up keeping double in fine, we just have to get used to the
1:02:09
I don't know it was invented for chess, Like that's it's gonna be great
1:02:15
when you spend some amount of money, including a four hundred flight, and
1:02:20
then you get two old and you're or you get oh two and you're just
1:02:23
like, oh, second amber, because I'm in the move for that second
1:02:29
amber. Now that this there's money on the line, people are definitely traveling
1:02:31
for this, Like that's my other hope. We have no idea how that's
1:02:35
going to be a run. We all were super hopeful about what we thought
1:02:39
it was going to be at KFC. Even coming back, we all talked
1:02:43
about how it could have been great. Um so I do hope to see
1:02:46
a better iteration that I don't hope they play in I think the movie.
1:02:53
The only thing that needs to really be changed about Second Number is the structure
1:03:00
needs to be more. It's not it needs to have more structure, right,
1:03:04
I should still get alert on my I guess I don't know how they're
1:03:07
doing. Should still feel like you're playing in a tournament, and it should
1:03:10
still be something you can win. Like that's the two things. Well,
1:03:14
there definitely is something like you could win, like they did the drawings and
1:03:17
whatnot, which was great, Like that's fine, but like I definitely felt
1:03:22
like once I was out, it's like, all right, you're in Second
1:03:24
Number, go find someone to play, And I'm like, um, like,
1:03:28
you're not gonna play with somebody, like you know what I mean?
1:03:30
Like I didn't play any part of that, But that sounds really weird because
1:03:36
like I could have because I went oh two and see the Lions, but
1:03:38
I spent the entire time playing unchained have ball, but like, um,
1:03:43
I mean, we don't know real prizes I would be doing that. We
1:03:46
don't We don't know if un chain's gonna be like that. We don't know
1:03:50
if that's going to be an option for you know what I mean at the
1:03:52
next BAUL, Like, we don't we don't know if un chain is gonna
1:03:55
be just available on a thing where they all pick up an unchained that can
1:03:59
kind of the same thing. We don't know if that's an option. So
1:04:01
I would like the only thing I would say if it's if you're going to
1:04:03
continue to do Second Amber, which I think is a fine idea, um,
1:04:09
like just put more structure to it, like still like put me in
1:04:12
a new bracket right that you can I guess edit and they're making the program,
1:04:16
so they should be able to do that, um and just be able
1:04:19
to like tell me like okay Ryan plays or Wookie plays wild okay, and
1:04:24
then I can go play the lock and then we can report it like we
1:04:27
normally do. You may have hit why Second Amber was run iffy at the
1:04:31
last event because the software doesn't support it, right they were they were just
1:04:36
using So when they make their own software, if it's designed to be like,
1:04:42
hey, you've been eliminated. Do you want to join Second Amber and
1:04:45
you say yes, and it put you into that tournament structure, like it
1:04:48
will be far more robust, right, and easier to deal with because as
1:04:54
it was, they were trying to run two tournaments which we're going okay but
1:04:58
not super smooth, and then they have to pare all the Second Amber staff.
1:05:03
If they can figure out the software behind that, that'd be fantastic,
1:05:06
and if they can't figure it out, they just need to find an AI
1:05:10
and ask it drafs car figure it out. So, as someone who in
1:05:15
the past has been in what would have been equivalent to a Second Amber,
1:05:20
I really like the structure of having basically, here's your eight individuals that popped
1:05:26
out or after this round, after round two, um, here here's the
1:05:30
group that's going to go ahead and you're now going to play, and it's
1:05:33
a very structured amount for that, and so you're taking groups of eight.
1:05:38
I actually like something as simple as if you get a win. We used
1:05:41
to have those acrylic Amber tokens, So something simple like that, here's here's
1:05:45
the win. It's not a major cost, but that's there. And then
1:05:48
if you end up taking down the second amber in your group of eight or
1:05:53
how many people came out after that second round, you're going to get here's
1:05:58
two decks or three decks, or some eyes that is more of a sealed
1:06:00
item, or going into the vault wall that's there you get a chance to
1:06:04
be able to pick. I had more fun with the old FFG playing with
1:06:10
individuals that frankly, we just got our butt kicked again and again and again.
1:06:14
You can only do that so much. You have to have some prize
1:06:17
that's in enticing you to stay. Otherwise it's just depressing and you're like,
1:06:20
I spent money here and food. I spent money to get here. I
1:06:24
spent money to get into tournament. I've lost every game. Why should I
1:06:29
come back? So we want to keep those people engaged and excited. That
1:06:34
that that is important to me. Yeah. The the KFU, not KFC,
1:06:41
the Kansas City thing did an interesting thing. Like there was like raffle
1:06:44
ticks you got and like there's one of it we all played in that you
1:06:47
actually got like if you we all had a certain amount of tickets, but
1:06:51
if you won, you had to give the ticket to your own Oh yeah
1:06:56
remember that? Yeah, that was actually a really fun idea, Like that
1:07:00
was kind of cool. So like as you got closer to winning the real
1:07:03
prize, I think there was cash there, you got a lower chance of
1:07:08
getting me, like you know consolation door prize type stuffle which were actually all
1:07:13
really good. There was like a Reaper of Amber pled from the game found.
1:07:16
There was like the nith lay, like the mini figures, like a
1:07:18
fuzzy Gruin, Like they actually had a really good raffles set up. Um.
1:07:24
But yeah, like that, I think our point kind of like resonates
1:07:27
with all with each other. I think the second Amber does need to be
1:07:30
run a little bit better, not like any crazy just structured um. And
1:07:34
they need to have things that people are stup playing for that are that are
1:07:38
worth getting right, that are meaningful. Yeah yeah, and bring back the
1:07:43
chairs. No, not do that well I mean but no, like there's
1:07:48
no reason to do something though, like that FFU tried to overextend on so
1:07:53
many fronts. That's why they sucked at everything. I need a new chair,
1:07:56
and I like I like the look of the new grim roupers. Like
1:08:00
what they hear that he wants some guystoids on his chair. That's right,
1:08:05
give us a custom deck options, let us pick the houses. Come on,
1:08:14
I want to pick as much as I as much as I like it.
1:08:17
It seemed like such a terrible idea. What there's why not take a
1:08:27
fun one? Come on, a fun one. You can already play Alliance,
1:08:31
So what does it hurt if you picked the three houses and get random
1:08:34
cards? Exactly? Oh that you saw that? Are you looking at that?
1:08:41
Looking at what? A grim? Reminders? Spoiler? No reminder spoiler.
1:08:46
I know we're not talking about it, but I but I heard drazz
1:08:49
Cars go oh look at that. I wonder if you saw it? I
1:08:53
did say it? Oh yeah, So to refocus, I know a lot
1:08:58
of individuals are super excited about gen Con. Gen Con was announced earlier and
1:09:01
a lot of people had planned sitcoms. Are you guys looking at the Vault
1:09:05
tour now that we're all here? And uh no? So our next announcement
1:09:11
that I'm waiting for, honestly, is the large announcement of what GG is
1:09:15
running at gen Con. I went to a register for the events or put
1:09:18
them on the wish list or whatever the crap gen Con felement, I can't
1:09:23
find it. Yeah, it's out there yet, but but I mean,
1:09:26
we talk about our discord and we had people yea came it. They're working
1:09:30
on it, and they voiced that in our our discord. So it was
1:09:33
great to see they're communicating with us. I'm excited. And you know,
1:09:36
getting space from gen con gen comes a very very large con. They have
1:09:40
to have enough space. I guess like three months have just disappeared. Oh
1:09:44
we finally got communication. Everything's good again. What's wrong? That's right?
1:09:48
That's how woe woe has ship, sheep. We have vault tours. You
1:09:57
and I are like, we're playing about now, sheep, because I already
1:10:01
booked all my vacation and did things because it wasn't announced in a fashion that
1:10:08
allowed me to plan for it appropriately. More fanaticism, Yeah, moaticism than
1:10:15
me. All you got all you gotta do, Sheep is dit your family?
1:10:19
Well, let's play their family for key for its more than me.
1:10:25
That's I mean, I can't can't you to bring your family? Z Well,
1:10:31
they're not with me anymore? They quit well, they quit ze No,
1:10:39
No, everything's good. See. Would you like to tell us when
1:10:43
your kid's birthday? Is? No schedule vault that day? I have to
1:10:47
look it up don't do it. Where are you step Oh that's already passed.
1:10:51
Never mind, yep, yeah, it'll never be dearing vaults based on
1:10:55
the new schedule. I was gonna say no anyway, I don't need to
1:11:00
be just in September. And I already told him, like if it's if
1:11:04
it's playtime, kid, you're on around. I see you later, Like
1:11:06
that's a diminishing return on value once they've had so many the next one.
1:11:13
This is such an awkward conversation. I'm not some of us. Some of
1:11:16
us love our families dearly and other's key fort I mean, I mean,
1:11:25
I'm not gonna lie. I think you're the only one here who loves their
1:11:28
family that much. But I mean my kids they're all right, you know,
1:11:32
like they're okay. Um, But I'm does have an awesome family.
1:11:40
I mean I'm not. I can't a lot of time there. I can't.
1:11:44
I can't miss their birthday. What kind of father does that make me?
1:11:47
I definitely could do that. Yeah, like the same father who like
1:11:54
tries to get them to not be around for my birthday, Like it's a
1:11:59
birthday, Yeah, my birthday basically this weekend, my birthday September I'm going
1:12:04
to be in doubt now. To be honest with you, if I missed
1:12:08
my son's birthday, he probably wouldn't give give care. But if I missed
1:12:14
my daughter's birthday, that's a big deal. What about your wife's birthday,
1:12:20
We're not going to talk about my Well, actually no, my wife's birthday
1:12:24
is December fifteenth, so there will be no key for it, because I
1:12:27
mean Christmas is like I'm just saying, like, my wife is sending my
1:12:31
kid to Grandma's and disappearing for the weekend, and my wife would have the
1:12:35
happiest birthday ever. Yeah, I don't think my wife would like all that.
1:12:42
And by I don't think my wife would like all that, I mean
1:12:44
my wife would hate that. She she would not be a fan. But
1:12:48
like my I can't miss my daughter's birthday. So you have a boy,
1:12:53
it's easy. Oh here's your gift. Do you like it? Yeah?
1:12:55
I love it? Okay, I'm gonna play with gifts for birthdays. Um
1:12:59
typically be like a little kid. I can stay for your birthday and you
1:13:02
get to do one hundred dollars gift, or I can leave for your birthday.
1:13:11
See now, now, to be honest, if I gave my son
1:13:14
that option, he'd be like, I don't know what you're still doing here.
1:13:15
Like, but if I told my daughter that, she would be like,
1:13:23
she would definitely take the hundred dollars gift, like a thousand percent.
1:13:27
She would like, It's just it is what it is. I mean,
1:13:30
it sucks, you know. Twenty twenty three, we're gonna just kind of
1:13:33
call awash this year when it comes to well, I mean, so there's
1:13:38
only three announced. Maybe maybe I get to squirm one. Maybe there will
1:13:41
be one in Collinsville, maybe there will be one in Milwaukee. You could
1:13:45
just I doubt it. But Illinois is close enough and I have friends in
1:13:51
Illinois, so that's not you know, it's not really a big deal.
1:13:56
So I mean, that's that's an easy at number one. It's an easy
1:13:58
travel, it's an easy stay. It's has a lot of people, and
1:14:01
that would all Saint Louis people again, Like that's then then we got to
1:14:09
hear about all the people who aren't in the Midwest, but we don't really
1:14:15
care when they wind that's true, I really Now that we've covered no useful
1:14:19
information or in this podcast here today, what useful information do you want to
1:14:25
cover sheet is We've talked about nothing long enough and I've got stuff to do.
1:14:33
So oh, where's your first Let's let's wrap this baby. Where's your
1:14:38
where's your fanaticism? All right, well it comes in tomorrow when I have
1:14:44
to play key Forge. His fanaticism is waning right now. But that's going
1:14:51
to do it for us this guys, thank you everyone who joined us in
1:14:55
the chat greatly. Do appreciate it. If you guys want to join us,
1:14:59
we are alive free Thursday, eight pm Central Standard time. That's an
1:15:03
important bit of information. It's not Eastern time as a dress car. Probably
1:15:09
not probably. I mean we do have seven people in listening. I know
1:15:13
that. For the wins the game found campaign, it said address the situation.
1:15:18
It is closing by this morning. This isn't going to come out time
1:15:25
for people to no, no, no, but just for you to disappoint
1:15:28
them by address. And that was not mine. Now that you now you're
1:15:31
too late. It's already shipped, it's already out, it's already gone.
1:15:39
My question for you guys was they showed the image of what do the I
1:15:44
safe key Forge cards look like? What did you think? I like,
1:15:49
it's pretty sweet. It's in line with what we had talked about when we
1:15:53
were talking about how they can make prizes that are cool, and that kind
1:15:57
of overlay on decks makes them meek and appealing. Yeah, um but boiling
1:16:06
right, which, but you have to make the unique and appealing stand out
1:16:13
you have to make but you haven't, right, But you have to make
1:16:17
the unique. Well, they could do that treatment to every single card in
1:16:20
the deck if they really wanted to. I do wish the other side,
1:16:25
the other is the actual player playable different Yea, I do believe that.
1:16:29
I like they're both very gold. But it's much like the Gamma decks.
1:16:32
If there you go. I like that, I like I dig that a
1:16:38
lot. I thought it was beautiful. That's why I wanted to take a
1:16:42
moment and actually acknowledge, because I never care with the decks. Acknowledge.
1:16:45
If I'm playing the deck, you don't ever get to see it. But
1:16:47
also nobody, nobody's going to be that it's real cool. Nobody's gonna care
1:16:51
if the deck sucks and it goes into the bin. That's like all that.
1:16:57
Yeah, now, well, always live in a special box of Yeah,
1:17:02
I don't care about, don't I was gonna say, what the other
1:17:05
box stuff that? Okay, maybe I don't throw away these decks right now.
1:17:15
On the other hand, I'll tribe one of these each friendly. None
1:17:21
just would make it okay. Yep, all right, that's gonna do it
1:17:27
first next week, guys. We'll see y'all next week. Be forging.
1:17:31
Everyone may be with May the forge be with you. I don't want to
1:17:38
feed it does not to talk to then, Please don't to talk to lizy
1:17:45
on me and take this pain aways, can me my symptoms. Don't talk.
1:17:49
I don't want to feel what I don't want to feel