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Serial Killer Documentary - James Dusty Rhodes - Prison Interview · The Evolution of Evil - True Crime Stories

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Were you a predator?
• 0:03
  Speaker 2: I had obviously become one, yes.
• 0:05
  Speaker 3: Now, a veteran FBI profiler goes one-on-one with Rhodes and
• 0:10
  Speaker 3: enters his lethal mind.
• 0:28
  Speaker 4: Every interview is a different opportunity, and I treat every
• 0:31
  Speaker 4: interview as very special and very unique. My role is
• 0:36
  Speaker 4: to bring out information on these crimes so we can
• 0:39
  Speaker 4: all learn from him.
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  Speaker 3: Mary Ellen O'Toole is a criminal profiler who worked in
• 0:44
  Speaker 3: the FBI's famed behavioral analysis unit for more than a decade.
• 0:49
  Speaker 4: The purpose of working in this unit was to study
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  Speaker 4: violent crime and the kinds of.
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: People who commit these crimes.
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  Speaker 4: All in an effort to assist law enforcement throughout the
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  Speaker 4: world to identify these offenders, to interview them, and to.
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  Speaker 1: Successfully prosecute them.
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  Speaker 4: My specialty was working with violent offenders, serial killers, psychopaths.
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  Speaker 4: I worked on the Unabomber case. I worked on the J.C.
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  Speaker 4: Dugard case. I've worked on Gary Ridgway, the Green River
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  Speaker 4: murder case.
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  Speaker 3: Now she delves into the mind of James Dusty Rhodes,
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  Speaker 3: who was serving four consecutive life sentences for murder, attempted murder, kidnapping,
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  Speaker 3: and sexual battery.
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  Speaker 4: At the time that Dusty was out and walking the streets,
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  Speaker 4: he was extremely dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: He was lethal.
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  Speaker 4: He was absolutely lethal. On a scale of one to five,
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  Speaker 4: you definitely have to put Dusty at a five.
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  Speaker 2: I'm military trained. If I want to hurt you, I
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  Speaker 2: can do this in a matter of seconds.
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  Speaker 1: The look that he gave me was actually chilling.
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  Speaker 4: When you hear the term, the hair goes up on
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  Speaker 4: the back of your neck, it went up on the
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  Speaker 4: back of my neck.
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  Speaker 2: A person should be able to feel safe to do
• 2:14
  Speaker 2: as they please. But the reality is, everywhere you go,
• 2:19
  Speaker 2: there is somebody out there. I think that most people
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  Speaker 2: who become victims become victims because they are not aware
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  Speaker 2: of just how easy they are or vulnerable they are
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  Speaker 2: to attack. They feel comfortable in their environment and they should,
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  Speaker 2: but that's not the reality of our world. And I
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  Speaker 2: preach that to my own daughters. There are people out
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  Speaker 2: there at all times who are a threat to you,
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  Speaker 2: whether you see them or not. And unfortunately at one
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  Speaker 2: time I was one of those people.
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  Speaker 4: In this case, I looked at who were the victims
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  Speaker 4: that he was selecting and what was that selection process.
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  Speaker 4: The more you understand the victim, the more you'll understand
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  Speaker 4: about the offender.
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  Speaker 3: All of Rhodes' victims are strangers to him, selected randomly
• 3:09
  Speaker 3: when the urge strikes.
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  Speaker 1: These did appear to be victims of opportunity.
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  Speaker 4: In the case of Dusty, He begins to act out
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  Speaker 4: on unwilling victims, people that he actually kidnapped off the
• 3:22
  Speaker 4: street and then acted out with his sexual fantasies.
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  Speaker 2: I knew she couldn't overpower me, obviously, which in all rapes,
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  Speaker 2: that's pretty much the case.
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  Speaker 3: O'Toole believes Rhodes is guilty of other crimes that he's
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  Speaker 3: never been charged with.
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  Speaker 4: In a career that started so young and had so
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  Speaker 4: many years to evolve, it would be unrealistic for us
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  Speaker 4: to think we had.
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  Speaker 3: All of them. She hopes to extract his secrets.
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  Speaker 4: So do we know everything about your criminal behavior?
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  Speaker 2: Have I done things that I shouldn't do?
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  Speaker 3: Yes. James Dusty Rhodes is a 23-year-old drifter working in
• 4:03
  Speaker 3: construction when he commits his first rape and murder in Colorado.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't look the part. He's married with an infant
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  Speaker 3: daughter and another baby on the way, but lurking underneath
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  Speaker 3: his family man facade. is a violent sexual predator.
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  Speaker 4: He just looked very normal, very typical, and he acknowledged that.
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  Speaker 4: He said, yes, I did look very normal, and that
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  Speaker 4: really enabled him to carry out the crimes.
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  Speaker 1: That he committed.
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  Speaker 2: During my normal hours when I was working and raising
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  Speaker 2: my family and all that, for most of the time,
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  Speaker 2: I was rather normal. And people would look at me,
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  Speaker 2: and all they saw was another husband, another father, another
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  Speaker 2: guy who worked for a living.
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  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this.
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  Speaker 4: After you would commit an attack, then you would go
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  Speaker 4: home to your wife and your children, and you had
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  Speaker 4: young children at home. What was that transition like?
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  Speaker 2: Well, because all of these happened at night. When I
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  Speaker 2: got home, they were generally, except for in one case, asleep.
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  Speaker 2: And I would sneak in. They had no clue. I
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  Speaker 2: would sneak in, realizing after the fact that I'm covered
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  Speaker 2: in blood in two cases, and I'd need to hide
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  Speaker 2: what I'm doing or I'm going to have issues here.
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  Speaker 3: His sadistic spree of attacks begins on a snowy night
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  Speaker 3: in Colorado Springs on December 7th, 1982. Rhodes is in
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  Speaker 3: his car in a shopping mall parking lot waiting for
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  Speaker 3: his wife to get off work.
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  Speaker 2: I'm there to pick up my wife. I've been drinking
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  Speaker 2: all day again. I've been at a strip joint all
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  Speaker 2: day again. And I've had sex on my mind all
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  Speaker 2: day again. My wife's not there. And then I see
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  Speaker 2: another woman walk out from a store directly in front
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  Speaker 2: of where my wife works at. It's snowing real, real hard.
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  Speaker 2: And she walks between her car and mine. And she
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  Speaker 2: comes around her car to scrape snow off the windows.
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  Speaker 2: She's got her back to me. My door's this far
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  Speaker 2: from her. I snapped. I opened the door. I grabbed
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  Speaker 2: her and I pulled her in. When I pulled her in,
• 6:09
  Speaker 2: she had hit her head on the door frame. And
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  Speaker 2: it was a pretty loud knock. But then I pulled
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  Speaker 2: her over to council and put her in the seat.
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  Speaker 2: I then shut the door and I proceeded to drive away.
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  Speaker 3: Rhodes drives to a cemetery and gets the woman out
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  Speaker 3: of the car at knife point.
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  Speaker 1: He's sexually assaulted.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Eventually that's what happened.
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  Speaker 4: And she?
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  Speaker 2: The knife somehow came out of my pocket and it's
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  Speaker 2: now in her possession. And that's when I snapped. She
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  Speaker 2: gives me the knife. She holds the knife up. I
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  Speaker 2: took it from her. She didn't give it to me.
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  Speaker 1: You took the knife from her?
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  Speaker 2: I took the knife. She held it up and said,
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  Speaker 2: here's your knife.
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  Speaker 4: He wants to imply that she hands that knife back
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  Speaker 4: to him, which I seriously doubt.
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  Speaker 2: And I snatched it from her and immediately, from that
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  Speaker 2: very second, started stabbing her.
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  Speaker 3: The woman is stabbed 15 times.
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  Speaker 4: And he leaves her to die, and she does in
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  Speaker 4: fact die from her injuries.
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  Speaker 1: Her body is not found for.
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  Speaker 2: About a month.
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  Speaker 1: About a month.
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  Speaker 2: And then I would find out years later when I'm
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  Speaker 2: arrested that she didn't die from the stab wounds. She
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  Speaker 2: died from the fractured skull. And that's when I remember
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  Speaker 2: that her head had hit the car.
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  Speaker 4: He's relieved, however, to find out, which is really interesting,
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  Speaker 4: that she died not from the stab injuries, but from
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  Speaker 4: the trauma.
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  Speaker 1: To her head.
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  Speaker 4: No, you grabbed her, you caused her to bump her head,
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  Speaker 4: and then you stabbed her multiple times. So it was
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  Speaker 4: his reluctance to want to take ownership of that case
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  Speaker 4: that I thought was really interesting.
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  Speaker 3: The victim lies in the cold snow for 28 days
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  Speaker 3: before she is found and identified as 23-year-old Cynthia McLuhan,
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  Speaker 3: a young mother who leaves behind a 5-year-old girl. By then,
• 8:04
  Speaker 3: Rhodes has made a clean getaway, skipping town with his
• 8:07
  Speaker 3: wife and daughter. telling them it's time to move to
• 8:10
  Speaker 3: find a new job. The cold-blooded nature of the murder
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  Speaker 3: has all the hallmarks of being the work of a psychopath.
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  Speaker 4: There's a profound lack of empathy and remorse for victims.
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  Speaker 4: If the offender is a psychopath, that means that they
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  Speaker 4: can put it behind them. He leaves Colorado and continues
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  Speaker 4: the assaults as he ultimately ends up in Florida.
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  Speaker 3: The fatal assault is just the beginning. Rhodes is about
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  Speaker 3: to start a string of perverted attacks on unsuspecting women.
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  Speaker 1: Were you a predator?
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  Speaker 2: I had obviously become one, yes.
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  Speaker 3: James Dusty Rhodes rapes and kills Cynthia McLuhan in a
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  Speaker 3: Colorado cemetery in December 1982. He quickly leaves town with
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  Speaker 3: his wife and infant daughter, eventually settling in St. Petersburg,
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  Speaker 3: Florida in 1984, where he begins a series of attacks
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  Speaker 3: and sexual assaults.
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  Speaker 2: I'm frustrated. And my drug of choice at the time
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  Speaker 2: was sex. It became a drug to me. And I decided,
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  Speaker 2: to be blunt with you, that I'm going to have sex.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to have it right now.
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  Speaker 3: By day, Rhodes is a construction worker and family man.
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  Speaker 3: And soon his wife gives birth to their second daughter.
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  Speaker 3: But at night, he walks the streets of the beachside
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  Speaker 3: party town looking for victims.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes he would follow women just to see them get
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  Speaker 5: afraid and not do anything, or sometimes he'd just stare
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  Speaker 5: at women to see if he could make them nervous
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  Speaker 5: just to watch their nervous reaction.
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  Speaker 3: Detective Paula Zietzelberger works in the St. Petersburg Police Department's
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  Speaker 3: sex crimes unit during Rhodes' crime spree. She doesn't know
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  Speaker 3: it yet, but the case is about to consume her life.
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  Speaker 5: When the imposter... would strike him and the opportunity was there,
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  Speaker 5: he would act.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at every female that I found attractive.
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  Speaker 3: Mary Ellen O'Toole is searching for the root causes of
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  Speaker 3: his violent sexual cravings.
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  Speaker 2: My wife and I were sexually active almost every single
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  Speaker 2: night for five years.
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  Speaker 4: With these kinds of crimes, there's never just one motive.
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  Speaker 4: There are multiple motives. His focus was to make sure
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  Speaker 4: that the victim understood that he was absolutely in control.
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  Speaker 4: You're following women and then targeting them. It really sounds
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  Speaker 4: very predatory. Do you know what I mean when I
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  Speaker 4: say the word predatory? Would you agree with that?
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  Speaker 5: Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: A lion's a little bit hungry, but he's not really
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  Speaker 2: on the hunt yet. But all of a sudden, he
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  Speaker 2: sees a meal. And that's the same thing. That's what
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  Speaker 2: a predator does. A predator sees the opportunity and takes it,
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  Speaker 2: and that makes you a predator.
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  Speaker 3: His first victim in Florida is sleeping in her apartment
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  Speaker 3: when Rhodes breaks in in the middle of the night.
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  Speaker 2: I saw a woman. I thought through a window, and
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  Speaker 2: I opened the screen, and I went upstairs. She was
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  Speaker 2: laying down sleeping. I pulled out a knife, and I
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  Speaker 2: woke her up. She went to try to scream, I think,
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  Speaker 2: and I covered her mouth.
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  Speaker 4: What is the expression on her face when she realizes
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  Speaker 4: there's a strange man standing in her bedroom?
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  Speaker 2: She's terrified, as anybody should be.
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  Speaker 4: How can you tell that she's terrified?
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  Speaker 2: Well, she looked like what you would see in a movie,
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  Speaker 2: and somebody goes boo around a corner with a knife
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  Speaker 2: in her hand, and, you know, that's... not something you're
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  Speaker 2: supposed to see when you're sleeping in your own home.
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  Speaker 2: She started to cry, I believe. Then she started to beg.
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  Speaker 4: That focus on the victim's reaction seemed to be an
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  Speaker 4: important element for him, like the surprise, I gotcha. And
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  Speaker 4: that came up in subsequent explanations on other cases.
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  Speaker 1: And what were you doing at the time?
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  Speaker 2: At the time, I was getting on top of her
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  Speaker 2: and raping her.
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  Speaker 1: And what were you feeling at the time?
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  Speaker 2: Frustration, anger, rage. I was mad at myself.
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  Speaker 4: So you're saying that at the same time, simultaneous with
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  Speaker 4: the sexual.
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  Speaker 1: Assault, you were angry.
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  Speaker 2: I was angry with myself in an attempt to try
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  Speaker 2: to find pleasure in something that I, somewhere deep inside,
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  Speaker 2: obviously knew there's no pleasure in because there is none.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, how can you have pleasure in terrifying somebody?
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  Speaker 4: He explained that he was very angry at the time
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  Speaker 4: and he was full of rage, but at the same time,
• 12:41
  Speaker 4: he was able to get an erection and ejaculate. So
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  Speaker 4: he was describing two heightened sense of arousal at the
• 12:51
  Speaker 4: same time, and we know that's not possible.
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  Speaker 1: This woman was a stranger to you, correct?
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  Speaker 5: Totally.
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  Speaker 4: The terror that you think she was experiencing, did that
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  Speaker 4: add to your.
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  Speaker 1: sexual excitement no i.
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  Speaker 2: Don't think so i think it took away from it
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  Speaker 2: which is what made me want to leave but.
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  Speaker 4: You wanted to leave after you completed the sexual assault.
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  Speaker 2: Yes that's true it's seeing that's the twisted way of
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  Speaker 2: looking at my own my own thoughts my thoughts are
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  Speaker 2: over here over here over here while i'm doing it
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  Speaker 2: i can't make up my mind.
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  Speaker 4: He said that he was thinking at the time about
• 13:30
  Speaker 4: feeling kind of sad about what he was doing, upset
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  Speaker 4: about what he was doing, but he was able to
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  Speaker 4: complete the sexual assault. Again, doesn't make any sense. I
• 13:39
  Speaker 4: think he didn't want to be seen as a sexual deviant.
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  Speaker 3: After the sexual assault, Rhodes leaves the apartment. Once again,
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  Speaker 3: he returns home to his wife and two daughters and
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  Speaker 3: conceals his crime.
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  Speaker 4: Once the sexual assault was completed, You left the residence.
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  Speaker 1: Did you take anything with you?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: Did you go back to your home?
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  Speaker 2: I went directly to my house and hid. I would
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  Speaker 2: go home, clean myself up as quick as I could,
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  Speaker 2: and just clam up and stay, you know, as long
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  Speaker 2: as I could.
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  Speaker 3: The victim reports the rape to the police, but even
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  Speaker 3: with a description, Rhodes blends in so well he's not
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  Speaker 3: an obvious suspect.
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  Speaker 5: The most chilling... is actually James Rhodes, if you were
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  Speaker 5: to meet him, would seem like just the normal guy,
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  Speaker 5: everyday guy, the guy next door, a guy you could like.
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  Speaker 5: But inside him, there is danger. It's scary what's in there.
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  Speaker 3: Rhodes is soon back on the streets looking for more targets.
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  Speaker 4: Sex and violence come together in one's development. It's not
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  Speaker 4: that at 15 or 20 years of age someone snaps
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  Speaker 4: and decides that rape is sexually gratifying. It's an evolutionary process,
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  Speaker 4: and it starts at a very early age. And if
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  Speaker 4: there is the presence of traits of psychopathy, that could
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: be genetic, but you also have nature-nurture. What kind of
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: an environment is the individual raised in?
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  Speaker 1: How are they treated physically, emotionally, and mentally?
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  Speaker 3: Life for Rhodes is difficult from the start. When he
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: is one and a half years old, his biological father
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: is sent to prison for auto theft. His mother remarries
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: an army man, and Rhodes and his siblings are constantly
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: on the move. Rhodes says he is physically abused by
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: his stepfather and emotionally abused by a mother who didn't
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: love him. But he singles out his relationship with his
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  Speaker 3: mother as being particularly hostile, fueling a lifelong anger towards women.
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  Speaker 2: I got upset with my mother for years. I know
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: what it was like to be sad, to be put down,
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: to be harmed, to be hurt, in some cases injured.
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  Speaker 2: And nobody likes to be hurt.
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  Speaker 3: Although she admits to yelling, his mother says she's a
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: loving parent who never abuses him and never even suspects
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  Speaker 3: that his stepfather does. Rhodes leaves home as a teenager
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  Speaker 3: and starts working in bars and strip clubs. He says
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  Speaker 3: he's arrested as a juvenile for fighting, loitering, and grand
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: theft auto. But the charges are dropped. Eventually, he is
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: placed in a group home. He marries at 19 after
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: serving time in prison for armed robbery. By the time
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: Rhodes is living in St. Petersburg at age 24, his
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: anger towards women takes over his life. He's evolved into
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: a violent sexual predator.
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  Speaker 2: I was conscious. of how this is affecting anybody while
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing it. That's the scary part.
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  Speaker 3: During the summer of 1984, the sunshine city of St. Petersburg,
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  Speaker 3: Florida becomes the hunting ground for a violent rapist and
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  Speaker 3: killer named James Dusty Rhodes, who lives in town with
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: his wife and two children.
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  Speaker 2: Once a person makes themselves isolated, they become prey.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Rhodes moves to St. Petersburg after raping and killing a
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: woman in Colorado. A month after he gets to town,
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  Speaker 3: he rapes a woman at knife.
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  Speaker 2: Point.
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  Speaker 3: Police don't know it yet, but Rhodes is just getting started.
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  Speaker 5: We're dealing with a very, very disturbed person.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't waste any time with a ruse. I didn't
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: care to have a ruse. I chose the force route.
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  Speaker 1: Because?
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  Speaker 2: Because I was on a mission. A mission that I
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: felt like force was adequate.
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  Speaker 4: Being a predator means that you're going out in a mindset.
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  Speaker 4: It's being able to watch when somebody doesn't know and
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: that can be very sexually gratifying. It's the ability to
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: get into somebody's home or get into their car and
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: feel that power over them. They never saw it coming,
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: so you're generating that fear that you need.
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  Speaker 3: Rhodes keeps up his double life. After the attacks, he
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: always goes straight home and resumes his role as a husband, father,
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  Speaker 3: and construction worker.
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  Speaker 1: How did you behave around your wife?
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  Speaker 2: She was asleep. The kids were asleep. I'd come in.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Nothing seemed abnormal to her because I would come home
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: late frequently. I'd clean up. I'd go to bed.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: It's easy to move from one life to another because
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: he doesn't think about the victim.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: So it's not eating at him. It is not really
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: concerning him.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: A month after his first attack in Florida, he strikes again.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Rhodes finds his third victim walking alone on a dark street.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Have you ever seen her before?
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  Speaker 5: No.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: No, never at all. She just happened to be walking
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: down the street. Again, an opportunistic moment. Here's a person
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: who's isolated herself, and then at that very point, I've
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: made the decision that I'm going to strike again.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: He was a very, very dangerous person. He was out
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: there pretty much doing whatever he wanted. What was your
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: intention when you first saw her?
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: The intention was right. I grabbed her by the arm,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: and she began to fight. She began to scream. And
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: when she began to do all that, I went from
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: anger to outright rage, and I began to strike her
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: with a knife.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: You stabbed her and grabbed her purse and ran but
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: there's no attempt at sexual assault why.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Because two people were screaming at me from a window
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: there's witnesses now and so I abandoned everything and ran
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: The reason she got assaulted with a knife is she
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: became aggressive. She tried to fight rather than flee. That's
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: a huge mistake when you've got a guy twice your
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: size holding a knife. She should have fled. Screaming was smart.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Fleeing is smart. But for a woman to try to
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: fight a man is not going to work. It's not
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: going to happen.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: What he was looking for in these attacks is fear, terror.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: And I think because he was not getting that, he
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: got angry. And when he got angry, he was going
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: to punish that victim. And he stabbed him repeatedly and
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: left them to die.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: But the woman is brought to the hospital and survives.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Detective Paula Zietzelberger is working in the sex crimes unit
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: when the call comes in.
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: She had been stabbed, I think it was 17 or
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: more times. Her purse had been taken, but that was
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: much more violence than needed to steal a woman's purse.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: The failure to sexually assault the woman leaves Rhodes frustrated,
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: but he isn't finished. Before police can find him, Rhodes
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: is back on the prowl, searching for another victim.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: I was mad that I had to run. I was
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: mad that I didn't succeed. There was a lot of
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: anger there. And so I went right back into predator mode.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: You sound really mission-oriented to me to complete a sexual assault.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Someone's going to get it.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: That was the mission that didn't get completed.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Not for long.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: I was on a mission, and the mission wasn't complete.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: He liked that term that he was a predator who
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: was mission-oriented.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: It fit for him. He was in charge.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: He was the one that was out watching and following,
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: and the victims didn't know it. It was actually pretty
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: chilling to watch that. When was the mission accomplished in
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: your mind?
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: The point was to have sex.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Less than an hour later, Rhodes finds a woman walking
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: alone to her car in a parking lot.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Opportunity to accomplish what I set out to do 15
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: minutes earlier was there. I'm in predator mode. I'm now
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: looking for a victim.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Predator mode means you're focused.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: I'm focused. I'm on a mission. Now she's isolated herself
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: and there's the predator. Here comes the lion. The lion
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: has found the cub that's off by itself.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: And that's what a predator does. I mean, it's sad,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: but that's the truth. That's what happens. The opportunity is there.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: It's dark, quiet. The woman vulnerable. Rhodes approaches as she
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: gets into her car.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: By pulling her car door open, she's trapped herself. Her
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: door's open. I'm coming up behind her. There's nowhere for
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: her to go except for into the car. And that's
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: when she tried to dive into the car, I think.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Halfway diving and halfway getting pushed.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Rhodes forces the woman into the passenger seat.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: What was the reaction that you got from her?
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Fear. Of all of them, she was the quietest. She
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: cowered up into the corner of the other seat.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: The next thing she knows, she has a knife at
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: her throat, and he told her not to try anything.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Cute or I'll cut you. What were you telling her
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: to do?
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: At first, remain seated and be quiet, and then that's
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: when I had her perform fellatio on me.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: My sense is, as I'm listening to this as a behavioralist,
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: is that part of what was turning you on was
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: you've got women who are terrified and you were excited
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: by their being so frightened.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I may have gotten that in my subconscious, but I
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: don't recall ever having any pleasure at all from the
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: fact that somebody else was terrified of me.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: You do remember... their expressions, though, which is interesting.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: The woman reports the sexual assault to Detective Zietzelberger, who
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: is taken aback by the disturbing details of the encounter.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: Afterwards, he told her to take off her bra. She did,
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: and he had lifted her blouse with the knife, and
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: he started using the knife and was tracing circles on
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: her breast, and she said, you promised you wouldn't hurt me.
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: And he said, I'm not going to hurt you.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: With three attacks reported, two in the same night, Detective
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Zietzelberger is alarmed. She suspects a sexual predator is on
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: the loose.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: Something's going on. We have a dangerous person out there
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: that apparently has it in for women.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: No woman is safe as Rhodes searches for his next target.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: The decision was made.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: And who made that decision?
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I made that decision. I made the decision that this
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: was going to be another victim.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: Serial rapist and killer James Dusty Rhodes has attacked three
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: women in St. Petersburg, Florida, two in one night, stabbing
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: one victim 17 times.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: My mind was twisted as to what was normal behavior.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: appropriate sexual conduct.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: But really, I mean, you know, Frank here, none of
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: this is really, you know, normal behavior.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: None of it is.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: The police department suspects a rapist is on the hunt
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: for women in its town. And Detective Paula Zietzelberger is
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: on the case. She and her two teenage daughters live
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: near the crime scenes.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: The fact that my family, my daughters were in that area,
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: made this case very important to me, especially with this
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: cluster of violent crimes that we started to see piling
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: up within the month and a half that he was
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: in St.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Petersburg.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: You get nervous, and you wonder, could it be me?
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Two weeks after his previous attack, Rhodes finds a vulnerable
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: girl in a dark spot and strikes again. His fifth victim,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: 17 years old, is emptying trash at an ice cream
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: parlor where she works at 11 at night.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: And I walked up behind her and I said, let's
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: go for a jog. Five words I wish I'd never said.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Rhodes takes her to the nearby railroad tracks. He rapes
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: her and then unleashes a ferocious assault.
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: Something made him mad and he reached in his back
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: pocket and pulled out his knife and just started stabbing.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: He said he stabbed her two or three times. Actually,
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: he stabbed her about 17 times in the back and
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: then rolled her over and stabbed her a few more
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: times and then ran off and left her on the
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: railroad tracks for dead, left her for dead.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: The victim is reported missing shortly after being abducted. Concerned
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: that their serial rapist is struck again, Police mount a
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: massive search.
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: They did send out police and a helicopter and a dog,
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: and a dog started tracking down the tracks, but then
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: turned off.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: The girl's stepfather also looks for her with a flashlight.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: He finds her six hours after the attack, unconscious, bleeding,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: but miraculously still alive.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: And he carried her to the car and took her
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: to a nearby hospital, and she survived. survived her wounds.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: The victim is able to give a description of her
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: assailant and tells detectives about her horrendous ordeal.
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: She was in and out of consciousness and she was
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: vaguely aware of the helicopter going over and lighting up
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: the area. And so she attempted to pull herself up
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: onto the railroad tracks where she could be seen.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Detective Zietzelberger is shocked by the brutality of the attack.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: I would say there's a lot of rage there. A
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: lot of rage. Over-the-top rage. You know, the turning her
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: over and stabbing her some more. It's almost like overkill,
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: if you will. So everyone was at attention and knowing
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: we had somebody very dangerous out there.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Did you care if she died?
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: No, at the time, no. At the time... In all
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: of these, in any case, it's just like when you
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: get into a fight. You don't care if you break
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: a guy's nose.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: After the assault, Rhodes sneaks back into his apartment.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Now I have to clean this blood off before it
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: points a finger right at me. I go into the house,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: I clean the knife.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: But do you feel a sense of relief almost?
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Relief that I got away.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Relief that the mission was accomplished?
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think that I was ever relieved that
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: a mission was accomplished in any case, and that's why
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: the mission had to continue. It wasn't it wasn't filling
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: the void.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: The next morning police canvassed the area with their new
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: description of the suspect a white man in his twenties
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: with wire rimmed glasses a construction foreman tells officers that
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: one of his men Dusty Rhodes matches the description Rhodes
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: is asked to come to the police station.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: And he voluntarily came in to talk to police and
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: give his fingerprints and photograph voluntarily. That's a routine tool
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: that we use in police work to try to develop suspects.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Police have a strong suspicion they have finally caught their man.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: But with no hard evidence, Rhodes isn't under arrest. He
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: returns home to his wife. Rhodes is kept under surveillance
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: while Detective Zietzelberger shows his picture to one of his
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: previous rape victims in a lineup with photos of similar
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: looking men.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: And then she said, do you ever get goosebumps? She
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: picked up his picture and held it up and she said,
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: that's him. And I've got goosebumps right now all over
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: remembering what happened. That was one of the best positive
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: IDs on a photo pack I'd ever had.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Authorities now have probable cause for arrest. They raid his
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: apartment and find Rhodes with his wife getting ready to flee.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: He was telling her to get things together. We're leaving.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: And what's really amazing about this is his wife was
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: a lovely young woman and they had two beautiful children.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Police proceed cautiously, not knowing just whom they are arresting
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: or what other crimes he may be responsible for.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: You know what a psychopath is, right?
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Do you think you are one?
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: No, I think I was one.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: The day after a 17-year-old girl is found raped and
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: stabbed on the railroad tracks in St. Petersburg, Florida, James
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Dusty Rhodes is arrested as a suspect. While police are
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: putting Rhodes in handcuffs, Detective Paula Zietzelberger finds the knife
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: used in the attacks in his wife's purse.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: There was this very distinctive looking knife shining brightly at
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: the bottom of her purse. And I realized that that
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: was probably our weapon. It matched the description that had
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: been given by the victims. He asked her to keep
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: the knife in her purse. He said, police can't search
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: your purse.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Rhodes' wife tells police she thinks his request to hide
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: the knife is strange, but complies without asking any questions.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: She denies any knowledge of or involvement in her husband's crimes.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: The knife helps police tie Rhodes to his crimes, but
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: they aren't sure how many women he's attacked. Under interrogation
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: at the police station, Detective Zietzelberger thinks she finally has
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: her man, she brings in Rhodes' wife to try to
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: get him to open up.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: And at one point he looked over at his wife
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: and he said, what should I do? And she said,
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: you need to tell the truth. After a few moments,
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: he finally broke down and started to cry. And he said,
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: I need help.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Detective Zietzelberger first gets Rhodes to confess to the sexual
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: assault he carried out in a parking lot the week before.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: I said, she has identified you in a photo lineup.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: And he said, yes, I did that.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Next, the 17-year-old girl on the railroad tracks. Rhodes thinks
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: he's killed her.
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: I said, she's going to be all right. And he
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: just visibly, it was like his body language and his
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: whole demeanor just... let loose with relief when he realized that.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: She hadn't died.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: And then he talked openly.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: The list grows. After several hours of interrogation, Rhodes admits
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: to four attacks in Florida over a two-month period.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: There's almost a point you reach where they give up.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: They almost give up. And you can see it in
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: their body language and in their eyes and hear it
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: in their voice.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Rhodes describes feeling invincible during the attacks.
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: He told me that when he was committing these crimes,
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: he felt powerful and vulnerable. Like if someone had come
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: up right then and there with a gun and told
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: him to stop, he wouldn't stop.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I reached a psychotic stage every once in a while
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: that lasted for a minute and then That minute would
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: result in a crime.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Psychotic means a break with reality.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: A psychopath is, using your terms, someone without a conscience.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: At one point, I had no conscience.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: This was a very successful sexual predator whose violence was
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: such that there was little, if any, regard for the victim.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: During his confession... Detective Zietzelberger gets a glimpse of the
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: demons inside of Rhodes' head.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: Almost every night, he said he'd go walking. And for
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: some reason, he'd start to get mad. He would just
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: be thinking, start feeling mad. And sometimes he would get
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: a headache. And this headache would come on him, and
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: he knew he was going to do something bad.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Is there.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Any doubt in my mind that had I not been caught,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: there would have been more victims? Absolutely not. There would
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: have been more victims. I know, obviously, after four assaults,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: that I was going to continue to assault until I
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: was caught.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Detective Zietzelberger thinks Rhodes' wife knows more about her husband's
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: crimes than she's let on. But there's no evidence that
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: she's connected to the crimes in any way, and no
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: charges are ever filed.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: I just find it hard to believe that there wasn't
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: some suspicion. I mean, when you come home all bloody,
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: now maybe she was able to sleep through all this,
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: but I find it difficult to believe that she didn't
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: have at least a suspicion that something was wrong.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: As he prepares for trial in Florida, Rhodes is able
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: to keep the murder he committed in Colorado a secret.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: But the truth about that murder and others that Mary
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Ellen O'Toole thinks he may have committed will soon be revealed.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Do you see how it would be very difficult to,
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure how else to say it, to really
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: believe that these are the only cases you've committed?
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: James Dusty Rhodes pleads not guilty to attacking four women
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: in St. Petersburg, Florida in 1984, despite confessing to the crimes.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: His first trial is for the attack against his last victim,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: a 17-year-old girl who was raped and stabbed 17 times.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: The girl survives the attack and testifies. Detective Paula Zietzelberger
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: also testifies and is relieved to finally put an end
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: to the crime spree that terrorized her city.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: He hurt a lot of people. You can't really be
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: sure who.
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: Is going to be capable of this kind of crime.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: And I think that's what makes it scary, that it
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: could be the likable person next door or the person
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: you work with, and yet they could be capable of
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: this kind of crime, this kind of anger, violence.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Rhodes is convicted of first-degree attempted murder, kidnapping, and sexual battery.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: He then changes his plea and the other crimes to
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: guilty and is sentenced to three consecutive life terms. In prison,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Rhodes still hides a dark secret, the murder he committed
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: in Colorado in 1982. But a year after he gives
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: a clue to Detective Zietzelberger, the crime is finally solved.
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: He did tell me about an incident when I was
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: interviewing him that happened back in the early 80s. It
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: was a girl that he had beaten her up badly
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: and raped her, said he hadn't killed her. But he
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: did mention Colorado Springs and eventually that information was passed
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: out there.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: The Colorado detective focusing on cold cases ties Rhodes to
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: the crime. Three years after killing Cynthia McLuhan, Rhodes confesses
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: to the murder and is given another life sentence. He
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: allegedly tries to exact revenge from behind prison walls.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: Within a few years of the arrest, I had gotten
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: information from prison officials that Rhodes was issuing a death
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: threat on me. And I wasn't surprised because of how
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: extreme the case was and the fact that he had
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: multiple life sentences.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: There may be more victims. Authorities are still looking at
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: cold cases in Colorado, Wyoming, and several other states where
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Rhodes spent time before moving to Florida.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: What are the other cases out there that you were.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Never charged with?
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: There are no other cases out there that I was
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: never charged with. I did what I did. I've owned
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: what I did. I'm not proud of anything that I've done,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: but I have done no more.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: You can understand how it's very difficult.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: I would understand it.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: Because you have a history of assault of behavior and
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: residential burglaries and armed robbery and then moving into sexual
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: assault and then there's a homicide.
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: But have I any other victims? No, absolutely not.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Even though she's unable to extract a new confession, Mary
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Ellen O'Toole believes her interview with Rhodes offers important insights
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: into the minds of violent criminals.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: Dusty is a sexual predator whose crime scenes, in my opinion,
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: manifest traits of psychopathy like impulsivity, grandiosity, a lack of guilt, a.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Lack of remorse.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: Through sexual aggression, he is sexually gratified and he feels
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: a sense of power and control and whatever else.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: So it's that deadly combination.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Rhodes' personal relationships deteriorate during his time in prison. His
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: wife divorces him, and his children stop all contact. He
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: says he is no longer the violent predator he once was,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: and even wants to apologize to his victims.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: Really be specific in terms of what message you want
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: to give to your victims.
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  Speaker 2: For any anguish that I have caused you, for all
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: the nightmares that I know that you've gone through, I
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: am sorry. There is nothing that I can do to
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: take that back so much as I wish I could.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I will hope that you have found forgiveness so that
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: it doesn't ruin all the other aspects of your life.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Because one thing I have learned is that when you
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: let things eat at you, you start eating at everything
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: around you. And I wouldn't want that to be occurring
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: in your life like it did in mind, because it's
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: just going to drive you mad at all times.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: I don't think that would take very well to that.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: I ask him repeatedly, how did you feel about the victims?
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: And he would go off onto a tangent, and eventually
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: it would come back to intellectualizing what he did and
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: talking about himself.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: I am sorry for everything that I've ever caused to anyone.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: I know From long before I attacked anyone, what it's
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: like to go to bed at night knowing that you
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: have been victimized wrongfully by somebody else. Because I've been
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: a victim.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to bring out.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: To see how this person is today, despite how I
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: believe he wants you to think he is.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: O'Toole concludes Rhodes still exhibits the telltale signs of being
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: a psychopath.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: Psychopathy is a personality disorder, and once your personality is
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: in place, it's hardwired.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: He said, no, I'm not a psychopath today.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: I was years ago, and based on my research training
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: and expertise, that metamorphosis is fantasy.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: That doesn't take place.