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2013's Prisoners · Off The Shelf With Phil and Dave- A Movie Review Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to. Off the shelf with Phil and
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  Dave. The movie talk show where each
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  week one of us takes a movie off our shelf and presents it to the
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  other four. Discussion this week coming off
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  of Daves Shelf, we've got 2013's Prisoners, directed by Danny
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  Villeneuve and written by Aaron Guzikowski.
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  Yep. And Dave, why is this movie on
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  your shelf? That's an interesting question.
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  Isn't it? A little bit recently, Mother's
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  Day, I think I saw my family, brother came down, sister and
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  nephews and it turns out my eldest nephew is a fan of Jake
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  Gyllenhaal. Aren't we all?
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  Well, he's 16, OK, So it gives me some hope of the future that
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  someone that age takes interest in a guy, not necessarily our
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  generation, because that's more of the Harrison Ford.
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  I don't want to aid you here. Any peaked 20. 16.
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  But we've done source code. We think he's pretty solid.
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  Actor generally speaking, just some in the Bride recently.
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  And because I have a mug that says World's Greatest Uncle,
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  yes, I felt obligated to do this movie.
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  And my sister is a librarian, been for decades.
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  And she says I will get it for you and have it ready for pickup
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  at your library, which is literally a 2 minute walk for
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  me. First time you ever been in?
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  Yeah, and it took me 5 days to get there.
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  Lazy, lazy. So I have made a temporary spot
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  on my shelf for library rentals. I had to get rid of a few Bruce
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  movies. It wasn't easy.
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  I'm just kidding, I would never do that.
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  I had a little bit of space, fortunately just did some
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  shuffling. I had this Cancun movie.
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  I just got rid of a veteran that's very inside but very
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  inside, and I decided that we would do it just because of the
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  timing. I have to get back to the
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  library, right? I don't want to be late.
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  Of course not. It's under my sister's
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  credentials. That's right.
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  I don't want to get any questions so and there we have
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  it. Wonderful had.
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  You seen it before? I had, yeah.
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  OK. But I had 0 recollection beyond
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  having seen it. OK, I watched it, you know,
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  video, whatever else, 201314 some of that region.
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  OK. And at the time, I don't really
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  remember my feelings about it other than I think I liked it.
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  But for whatever reason, when I took it off this time, when you
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  said prisoners, I was like, I think that's this one.
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  And then when I watched it, I was like, I've seen this, but I
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  could not tell you that beats. It's a pretty broad title, Sure.
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  It could be anything. Sure.
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  And I went in completely clean. I didn't watch the trailer.
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  I knew Hugh Jackman was in it, and obviously I knew Gyllenhaal
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  was in it on the poster. That makes sense.
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  That was the extent of it. I asked my wife, Hey, listen, I
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  need to spend time with you and watch this movie.
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  Check out the trailer. Not with me in the room.
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  I went downstairs, I gave her 3 or 4 minutes.
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  I came back up, she was still watching the trailer.
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  Wow. I think she was on it Instagram
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  first. Just don't think she did the
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  task. But she finished it and said
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  let's go watch it. And it was a long movie because
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  like you mentioned Seville Nov but we were going to watch half
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  and half but we stuck it through.
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  So that's said something about the movie.
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  But what does IMDb say about the?
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  Movie. Well, all the faithful describes
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  this movie has a desperate father takes the law into his
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  own hands after police failed to find 2 kidnapped girls.
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  Does it for. Me, it's all you need.
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  Police failure what man in his own hands 2 kidnapped girls
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  that's. It.
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  That's it. That's the movie that's going to
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  be interesting. We don't do a lot of
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  psychological thrillers, I feel anyway.
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  Maybe. Check the document, check the
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  excel sheet. I enjoy them, typically
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  speaking. Yeah.
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  Like, I think it's one of those underrated genres that I don't
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  like it until I watch it and I'm reminded I like psychological
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  thrillers because I love cop shows.
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  So I'm already into, like, who did it?
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  Yeah, the mystery. And this is has another level of
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  intrigue, something interesting other than the usual somebody
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  broke the law, we don't know what it is, we found them sort
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  of thing. So it it can be interesting if
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  done right. Yeah, I think that there's We
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  Did Fall in which I suppose would be something that falls
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  into this category a little bit. Yeah.
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  And Frailty, I would suggest with this category a little bit.
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  I mean, people will classify The 6th Sense as a horror movie,
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  which I've never done. I think that's wrong.
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  Closer into the psychological thriller thing, not dissimilar
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  to Silence of the Lambs, which we've all done.
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  So it is something we've ventured into a little bit over
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  the years. What I think is interesting
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  about the quote UN quote psychological thriller is how
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  much it gets away with by not calling itself a horror movie
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  because if you watch this, you sort of thinking, OK, this is
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  the highbrow movie with a list actors.
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  I'd say. But I'd also say it's pretty
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  brutal at times. It had actually cut some scenes
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  there. Because of that, pretty violent,
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  pretty gruesome at. Times I had to look away a
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  couple times. There you go.
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  Yet this movie is regarded very highly in the grand scheme of
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  things, whereas something like Friday the 13th.
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  Oh, here we go. Or.
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  Halloween or any of these other slasher movies which I would
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  argue the violence is not nearly as visceral.
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  As no penetrative, I think this one is, they're just using that
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  as a we. We don't like these movies like
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  the Eberts of the world. Feels like it's a bit of a
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  targeted, I think. I think so.
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  Now it doesn't matter to me because I love horror movies and
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  I love psychological thrillers, but there is this weird divide
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  where it's acceptable on one level and not another, and that
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  kind of pisses me off a little bit.
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  The double standard. I have a few examples but I
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  can't think of anything right now.
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  Preparation buddy, welcome to the table.
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  Speaking of tables, that can get us right into the movie because
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  if you notice there is No title sequence, we get into a a
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  Thanksgiving. We get deers.
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  We we get deer. Opens on and there is a title
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  sequence, but there is the word the title, obviously the title
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  of the. Film.
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  You know what I meant. That's right, but it opens with
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  the Lord's Prayer. Oh yes, you're very familiar
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  with. It of course I disregarded it
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  every day that I went to school. Yeah, old enough to remember
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  going into school and doing it. I don't know if it was every day
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  or every Thursday. Or every day, Miss Gross.
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  Yeah, coincidentally, that was my Grade 3 English teacher of a
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  book that I just was given that back today.
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  It was in an old hamper that I took, Yeah.
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  Or was given from the bookshelf in my Grade 3 English class.
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  Wow, that's a long. Time long time ago.
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  Won't get into specifics, but that book has existed in my
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  possession. For 53 years, 35 years, there's
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  some interesting connective tissue do you want to recite the
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  prayer for? Us.
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  I couldn't remember but the key take away is forgive us our
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  trespasses. And for those, for those that
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  trespass against us, yeah, I went to church every week until
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  about 14. Yeah.
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  This is part of the. Indoctrination it was Why?
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  Was part of the routine. Sure, it came usually about 2/3.
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  Through here we go. You think you'd open with?
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  That no, no. They had a really other good
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  opener. Oh yeah.
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  So that I thought was an interesting way to open the
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  movie because again, I I don't remember anything about it and I
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  certainly didn't know anything about it when I first saw it.
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  So I'm coming out of it relatively blind on both counts.
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  I heard it and because I know religion can be pretty strong
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  thing in a lot in some States and.
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  Certainly was all over last week's movie, if you.
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  Recall. Yeah, that's true.
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  It was there, so I didn't think much of it.
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  OK. I think, OK this guy is just
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  religious and wants to say a little prayer before he kills a
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  deer. There's a lot of throughout the
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  movie crosses in the frame. I mean, the idea of Thanksgiving
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  in and of itself, there's a lot of imagery that kind of falls
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  into that, but I don't think the movie makes a meal out of it.
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  Yeah, it's a little more subtle than frailty.
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  Sure, Obviously that's right like.
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  That's the movie. That's angels and demons coming
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  from heaven to rid the world. Yeah, that is definitely
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  something, an undercurrent that I felt didn't overplay yourself,
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  and I think that's a good thing. And Speaking of Thanksgiving, we
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  know you like your Turkey is dry as bark on a tree.
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  That is very true. Still can't believe that.
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  Oh yeah. Like take paper towel and wipe
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  it down if it's too juicy. Yeah.
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  You're strange guy is. And we have Terrence Howard as
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  well. That's not.
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  That's right, yeah. We talk a lot about him.
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  He's really good generally. He was amazing in Four Brothers.
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  I was a highlight for you. Yeah, one of many highlights for
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  you actually. Yeah, he's really great in
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  hustle and. Flow I haven't seen off the
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  shelf. Looks good but funny connective
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  tissue is. Mark Wahlberg was in Four
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  Brothers. He was cast to be in this movie.
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  Didn't work out for whatever reason, ended up doing Lovely
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  Bones. One of the worst movies I've
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  ever seen. Yeah, the New Zealand movie.
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  I was there, but he was still an executive producer, but he was
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  tied to it. And another thing I thought was
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  interesting as well, since we're talking about casting, was
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  Gosling wanted the role and him and Jake have a friendly
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  competition going for roles. I don't know.
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  If you knew. That couldn't tell you.
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  No, Villeneuve won it. Jake didn't even audition for
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  it. OK, but luckily for Gosling, he
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  got to work with him four years later on bladder.
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  Only 49. Yeah, so I thought that was a
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  fun story. Christian Bale was attached to
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  this for a while. Jackman was attached.
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  Unattached reattached. Wow, that sell John Wayne
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  Bobbitt thing. There you go.
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  There's a throwback. But casting in general, I think
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  it landed on something that was pretty good, pretty solid.
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  Yeah. We don't think we're in good
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  hands. Yeah, we don't usually play that
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  game when it comes to this as to who could have or might have or
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  should have done it better. But this cast to me is, I mean,
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  it's the cast you have. So to think about it could have
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  been better with. I think this is perfectly.
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  Cast. I'm thinking about Gosling
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  because I just went to theatres. Oh my goodness, here it.
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  Is and saw the Hailey Mary project.
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  Right. No, no clothes.
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  You had all the right sounding words, but not no it's project.
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  Hail Mary Mary also religious a little bit.
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  Yeah. Well, that that would say that
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  is very religious. Hail Mary itself.
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  I could spoil it for you, but Rockies in it.
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  That's right, yeah. Pretty good film though if you
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  haven't seen it got extended in theatres.
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  Opportunities to go see it. Anybody go to the movies?
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  Go see the movies. And casting, I think Gosling,
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  yeah, is perfectly cast. Could could Jake have done?
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  It No, no. There we go.
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  The answer. I think he's got the sense of
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  humor. No Jake.
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  And this I think is really good. Oh yeah, and he's really good in
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  a movie called Zodiac, which he plays a somewhat similar lighter
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  version of this. But I don't get funny guy when I
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  think of Jake. That kind of funny.
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  Which is funny. One of his tattoos.
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  Zodiac related. Fun fact.
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  Smart man. This research buddy.
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  Yeah, more research than just finding out that you like dry
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  Turkey. That's in the archive.
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  That is, that is, you've been listening.
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  And like I mentioned, I have no idea what this movie is about.
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  Like we're still still. No.
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  I mean, is it about Terrence Howard playing the saxophone?
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  I hope not. He's not very good.
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  Or the trumpets don't know my brass.
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  I know my wins. Sure don't know my.
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  Brass, you missed opportunity. I think a saxophone is a win.
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  Oh God. Yeah, they wouldn't put in the
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  brass category. Tuba.
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  That's brass. Yes, that's big brass buddy,
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  brass balls. One thing I actually do and how
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  I really connected to this movie is I like to go for a walk after
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  a big Turkey meal. Digest.
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  Just go around the block. Sure, it's all you need to do,
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  stretch the legs. They say it's really healthy
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  just to go for a little jaunt outside.
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  Now, the adults didn't do that. They're just drinking and
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  playing. The trumpet, Yeah, but they paid
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  the price. Yes, they did.
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  It's terrible parenting here. And there's this RV.
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  Now, me not knowing anything about this movie, I have a
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  feeling, Phil, that the RV might just play a relatively strong
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  role in this film. Yeah, that's the sense that you.
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  GOT I mean, there's a slow push in on it.
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  The movie music is ominous and there's a low angle to impress
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  upon us that it is threatening. So the camera from inside is if
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  someone's looking outside. So I think there's a lot of
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  things that would tell you that this is going to be a thing.
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  I picked up on it. Good for you.
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  Now I'm not a parent. Truth.
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  Not yet. Not that I know of.
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  Clarify that yourself. Yeah, I'm a parent.
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  You're doing a great job. Yeah.
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  College. Sure.
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  Thriving. Thriving.
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  Yeah, Slosh is one of their kids names.
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  It's. Great.
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  Obviously two kids get kidnapped as a parents.
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  The performances are bang on. Yeah.
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  Like I can feel the emotion from all four parents.
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  But having a little bit different perspective, like
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  yourself having kids, does it have that sort of emotional like
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  punch to draw the audience? In I think even if you don't
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  have children, I think the idea of innocent children getting
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  kidnapped is evocative no matter.
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  What? Yeah.
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  If you feel anything at all, yeah.
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  I think if you're a human being and you're somehow read that
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  children have been kidnapped, beaten down, raped, murdered,
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  whatever the case would happen to an innocent child that
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  doesn't know any better, sure. I don't think you have to be a
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  parent to feel something there. Sure.
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  But I was thinking more, is it easier to put yourself in
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  Dover's shoes because he has actions later that are?
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  Questionable. Sure, I guess so, yeah.
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  I mean, I watch movies from an empathetic point of view anyway.
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  So it's. I would be saying if I'm
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  watching Jake, I'm in his head. Yeah, you know, so it doesn't
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  really connect that much. But I do believe that people in
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  the world that are parents that would do that for sure.
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  In fact, most of his performance is somewhat disturbingly
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  reminded me. Maybe This is why I put it out
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  of my brain in 2013 of my former father-in-law.
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  Oh. Yeah, from these shitty goatee
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  to the I know everything attitude to the I will safe and
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  protect everybody all the time despite not really doing any of
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  that. Got you.
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  Those things resonated far more than the I'm going to, you know,
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  torture some guy for. Now we're able to move.
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  Past, but it's still. There.
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  This character for. Sure.
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  Yeah. And Jake, We get introduced to
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  him in a cafe, not a diner. No, no, no presidents around.
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  I didn't know what he was in this.
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  Well, he looks pretty bad. Ass.
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  I know my first impression is this is the villain Skeezy.
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  I don't know about Skeezy, buddy.
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  Take it easy. Take it easy, Not Skeezy, but
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  then I realize he's having somewhat of a friendly
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  conversation, being playful with this.
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  I'm a horse by the way, just for signs.
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  OK? If you're right, good for you.
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  It's not bad. And I'm an Aries, so it's like
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  all the. Best the one you don't want to
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  be the whistleblower or no, Sorry, the rat.
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  Yeah, yeah. Funny guy, Sure.
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  Check in the archives. But we realized he's on the CB
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  real quick. OK, this guy is a police
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  officer. OK, He's probably a protagonist
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  in the movie. And I feel a little bit at ease
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  knowing that the lives of these children might be in the hands
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  of Jake because he gets things done.
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  Yeah, I mean, it's very short order that the kids get taken
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  and they have a match on the RV. Yeah, he's 5 minutes away.
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  Yeah, easy peasy. Let's just get it sorted out and
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  when they get to the RV, the 1st order of business is it just
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  drives into a tree. Yeah.
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  And that made at that time made absolutely no sense to me.
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  Well, what I thought was, is Mad Max driving this car?
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  Shut up. Yes, that's the equivalent of
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  how long it takes to like a daring getaway to It's over.
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  We felt like that touché. Yeah, But yeah, you find out
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  that when they pull him, it's Paul Dano, which I again had
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  completely forgotten he was in. Yeah, I like this kid.
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  Tarantino doesn't. I don't give a shit about
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  Quentin Tarantino. That guys a fucking idiot.
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  I mean, he gravitates towards these roles.
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  Sure, clearly and generally does a pretty good job, I think.
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  He's incredible in the fable means he's really good in There
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  will be blood He's good and Love and mercy.
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  He's good and looper, however small that part is.
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  I I don't get it. I think he's really good in
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  this. I'm looking forward to the next
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  Batman because. That's true.
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  Fantastic in the Riddler as well.
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  Yeah, he's going to be the. I assume so anyway.
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  Yeah, safe bet. It's reasonable anyway.
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  He's in Arkham. Yeah, hopefully he doesn't have
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  to do any driving, but we find out he has the IQ of a 10 year
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  old. Yeah, we discovered this through
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  the interrogation scene. I love interrogation scenes in
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  movies. I think about LA Confidential,
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  which we watched with Russell Crowe and Guy Pearce and their
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  interrogations with different criminals in that movie.
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  Yeah. Do you like good cop, bad cop?
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  Is that one more routines you like?
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  Absolutely. Yeah.
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  Who wouldn't? I don't know.
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  So I think Jake's incredible in this scene and I think Dano is
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  incredible. The fragility and the ominous
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  portrayal that is Dano I think is really compelling and
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  watching Gyllenhaal do whatever the fuck he's doing.
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  Yeah, getting right up in his. Face and the sort of twitchy
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  Ness this is a guy that clearly is like burned out like he
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  strikes me as a guy that hasn't slept in 15 days and is that
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  level of intensity and so that contrast getting in his face
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  fucking with him and Dano's just quiet bits of don't touch me
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  doesn't say much stop it's short but I thought really delivers
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  the contrast between these two characters.
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  You know why? Tell me.
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  He watched 100 hours of interrogation footage for this
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  role. You really did.
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  That's prep. Yeah.
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  Like me. Yeah.
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  Prepping for this role right here.
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  Uh-huh. The eye twitching thing I
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  noticed pretty early. Yes.
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  Sticks out. It does.
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  And I love it. Sure.
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  Tell me why. A.
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  It was his idea. When you first watched it
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  though, why? Why?
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  Didn't know that at the time, actually, yeah.
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  You know, I I don't know. It just I it was just.
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  It's unique. Yeah.
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  Could just be a case of dry eyes.
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  You could be wearing some contacts.
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  I don't know. It just seemed to fit the
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  character, like you said, strung out.
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  Yeah. I don't have to have an
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  explanation for you. I just like it.
• 18:34
  OK. I just like it.
• 18:35
  Fuck off, just fit the character.
• 18:40
  OK, maybe he just really good I actor.
• 18:42
  Yeah, he's fantastic. I think he conveys all of those
• 18:45
  things. I just thought you would have
• 18:46
  more to say. He knows his strengths.
• 18:48
  He's like, I'm a good eye actor. Can I do it?
• 18:50
  Yeah. And Bill knows like, you can do
• 18:51
  whatever you want. But you won't let me.
• 18:53
  You didn't have to audition for this.
• 18:55
  He's got carte blanche, as you would say.
• 19:07
  But now, I don't know if you know this rule.
• 19:08
  I do, because I watch a lot of Bosh.
• 19:10
  OK, Speaking of interrogation scenes, there's a few in there.
• 19:13
  Check it out on HBO. Just kidding, it's not prime.
• 19:17
  Sure. And you have 48 hours to charge
• 19:21
  anybody that you've arrested, OK.
• 19:23
  If you don't have a strong enough case, they will let you
• 19:26
  go. They'll still tail you.
• 19:28
  Maybe. They have risen probable cause.
• 19:30
  Probable cause is very important.
• 19:32
  I know how much you need just to tail a guy though, like anybody
• 19:34
  could. Just I'm telling you right now.
• 19:36
  I can sit inside anyone's house if you wanted to.
• 19:38
  Don't do that. By the way.
• 19:39
  A little creepy. I found that out the hard way.
• 19:42
  Binoculars would give it away. So they don't really have
• 19:47
  enough, and I don't think they do either.
• 19:49
  This decision to me watching all this.
• 19:51
  Bosch. Yeah.
• 19:52
  You let him go, you got nothing. Really.
• 19:55
  Yeah, absolutely. These are the things that I like
• 19:57
  about the cop shows I watch. Obviously the interrogation, but
• 20:00
  it's the investigative. Sure.
• 20:02
  Part of thing, The procedural piece.
• 20:04
  Yeah. I watch a ton of Forensic Files.
• 20:06
  It's our dinner time show Freak, apparently the feel good show
• 20:11
  for me. OK, so we have Jake, who's never
• 20:14
  lost the case. Truth.
• 20:15
  Similar to Matlock, what they say.
• 20:17
  Yeah, that's been said. That's law and order right
• 20:20
  there. Half the shows Jake is the cop
• 20:22
  and Matlock is the lawyer. Watch that show.
• 20:25
  Yeah, you would watch. That show, of course you would
• 20:27
  over dinner. And our good friend Jake pays a
• 20:31
  visit to his first not suspect, but the ants of Mr. Alex Jones.
• 20:37
  Is the first Ant. The first, first Ant of many to
• 20:40
  come. Yeah, he's doing the
• 20:42
  investigation. So we've got Alex and custody.
• 20:44
  We need to know who he is, so talk to his and his closest
• 20:47
  living relative. And it's Melissa Leo who won an
• 20:50
  Oscar. No TV only does movies that I
• 20:53
  would know her. That's right.
• 20:55
  She's great in The Fighter. She's in a bunch of other
• 20:56
  movies. She's really good and fairly
• 20:59
  unassuming in this. And what we do get, however, in
• 21:02
  this, to me, is where there's a lot of opportunities to talk
• 21:05
  about Roger Deakins. Deakins, he's good.
• 21:08
  He's phenomenal, great, great cinematographer.
• 21:11
  And they've worked together before.
• 21:12
  Bill know, I think the Blade Runner they did together.
• 21:15
  Well, after this, after this, yeah, 2017 it nominated for an
• 21:18
  Oscar, I thought an incredibly good looking movie as well.
• 21:21
  Deacons only won 1 Oscar was nominated 16 times.
• 21:23
  Wow, maybe 17. But this scene he pulls up and
• 21:27
  you know every shot is on purpose.
• 21:28
  This movie is incredible for the direction.
• 21:31
  It's an early one in his career. That's the impression I got.
• 21:34
  It's a quick side note. When I think about Villeneuve, I
• 21:36
  think about obviously Dune. I think about Arrival.
• 21:38
  Yeah, I think about these sci-fi ish extraordinary types of
• 21:43
  movies. And when I think about Nolan, I
• 21:46
  think about Interstellar and Inception, and then I think
• 21:49
  about Prestige. Like I haven't seen it but I
• 21:51
  feel like this is the. Period one out.
• 21:53
  The odd one out of it and they both start with letter P so I
• 21:56
  thought that was. Something I think that's not
• 21:58
  unreasonable. Founded.
• 22:00
  Yeah, unreasonable for sure. Just watching the direction, the
• 22:03
  style and the look, This is fantastic.
• 22:07
  He pulls up, we see the Trans Am in the foreground, Jakes in the
• 22:11
  middle ground. We've got Holly in the
• 22:13
  background. And then later when he's looking
• 22:15
  through Alex's room, we see a couple of other knickknacks and
• 22:19
  so forth, but he sees a little RV.
• 22:21
  Yeah. Clearly a fan.
• 22:22
  And he just taps it on the desk. And the way in which this rolls
• 22:25
  and is perfectly framed, one take, I don't know how many it
• 22:29
  was, it could have been 100, but just the aesthetic sense to show
• 22:33
  that it's not flashy, it's not showy, it's just about
• 22:38
  craftsmanship and it's beautiful.
• 22:41
  Yeah, because when he makes that movement with the truck, where
• 22:44
  it ends up is completely natural.
• 22:46
  It's where they choose to frame it.
• 22:47
  Or they have the frame and they continue to do that shot until
• 22:51
  it's right. Special features, buddy, you
• 22:52
  figure. All that, Either way, it's a
• 22:54
  gorgeous shot and we get Gyllenhaal doing his job.
• 22:58
  Good or bad, right or wrong. It shows that investigations can
• 23:02
  go cold. It shows investigations lead you
• 23:04
  to different places. You see one thing 100 times away
• 23:07
  from it, and there it. Is I think that's one of the
• 23:09
  things I really like about these types of movies and why I watch
• 23:12
  Bosch. Why I watch all those police
• 23:14
  shows is I love the process and I love the clues.
• 23:18
  I like the Haha moments where you see something and I know
• 23:22
  there's going to be 1 eventually.
• 23:24
  Some shows do it too much, like in Suits.
• 23:26
  I'm watching it when Mike the smart guy has this revelation
• 23:31
  because of some character said one word.
• 23:33
  If you go to that well too many times, it becomes a little bit
• 23:36
  too formulaic. Just one or two of those moments
• 23:39
  I I think is the sweet. Spot, I think you're right too
• 23:41
  much and you're sort of like roll your eyes and and not
• 23:44
  enough. It's sort of like I want more
• 23:46
  like this is your job, right? You can't just find it first
• 23:48
  thing. So I like that there's some
• 23:50
  digging. And it's another very important
• 23:51
  thing in those cop shows. You need evidence.
• 23:54
  Yeah, that's the key right there.
• 23:56
  And I've seen a lot of vehicles be impounded on Forensic Files
• 24:00
  and they're finding little fibers, of course, specs of
• 24:03
  blood. But this RV, surprisingly is
• 24:07
  clean but not clean. You see something like that and
• 24:11
  you just assume bad guy because the way the camera is presenting
• 24:15
  him, peering out of the window, the ominous RV, right?
• 24:18
  Like this is bad guy runs away and the actor playing him and
• 24:22
  Paul Dano was kind of a bad guy generally.
• 24:24
  So that part, it's like, yeah, tick the box, makes sense
• 24:27
  completely. And then you find out that the
• 24:29
  RV is completely clean and they've looked and they've
• 24:32
  dusted and they've done all the things and we're cross cutting.
• 24:35
  I like that juxtaposition. As you should.
• 24:38
  And obviously the movie is intended to do that.
• 24:42
  We talk a lot about trying to figure out the movie.
• 24:44
  At any point where you caught up in trying to figure out the
• 24:48
  movie? Or did you let it wash over you?
• 24:50
  I let these ones wash over me. I might have some ideas in my
• 24:54
  head. I'm curious, sure, but not to
• 24:57
  the point where I let it take away from the movie.
• 25:00
  I'm here for the ride. It takes me where it takes me.
• 25:03
  Yeah, I wrestle with this sometimes.
• 25:04
  We talk about Minority Report and the fact that I anticipated
• 25:08
  right away that Max Van Sydow is the bad guy.
• 25:11
  I don't know. You figured that one out, buddy.
• 25:13
  You're good. And that Colin Farrell was being
• 25:15
  set up to be the bad guy. And my pickled brain was just
• 25:18
  like, Nope, not buying it. You have a gift.
• 25:21
  Well, it's a curse really, means I can't enjoy certain things and
• 25:26
  this is an example of a movie where I was not at all playing
• 25:30
  catch up. I just went with everything that
• 25:32
  was happening. Yeah, I never felt behind and I
• 25:35
  never felt ahead. No.
• 25:37
  And that's to me is a better Mark, right?
• 25:39
  Yes. And I thought he delivers fully
• 25:41
  because Paul Dano has all that baggage.
• 25:43
  I'm not fully convinced he is the bad guy, but I'm not
• 25:47
  convinced he isn't either. He's involved on some level.
• 25:50
  Gotta be, has to be. Yeah, and I think that makes
• 25:53
  that character a lot more interesting than what it would
• 25:55
  be on paper. And Daniel brings that.
• 25:57
  And the RV thing being completely empty is creepy
• 26:00
  because why is that intentional? If you are the bad guy, of
• 26:04
  course you want to make sure that there's nothing to link you
• 26:06
  to it. But you're 10 years old
• 26:08
  mentally. And that's the other reveal that
• 26:10
  happens after this. And we find that out as he's
• 26:12
  explaining to Jackman. And Jackman's great in this
• 26:15
  role, in this moment. I think he's fantastic.
• 26:17
  I don't have a lot of. Jackman movies on my shelf and I
• 26:20
  don't get jacked, buddy. I'm a little ashamed.
• 26:22
  Yeah, I'm a little ashamed. I have Wolverine, which I don't
• 26:25
  even really like. It's not good.
• 26:26
  It's not Logan's good. Yeah, it's Canadian.
• 26:29
  The character, yes. Interesting.
• 26:31
  Actually, Logan, I have. OK, that's a good one.
• 26:33
  James Mangold. I'd have to watch it again.
• 26:35
  I saw in theatres and I do own it, so I gotta give it another
• 26:38
  go. But yeah, this is a role that I
• 26:40
  haven't really seen him in this type of character, and I'm
• 26:44
  pretty impressed. He's pretty intense, but
• 26:46
  rightfully so. I mean, I again, I can't imagine
• 26:49
  specifically what he's feeling, but I can empathize pretty good.
• 26:53
  Sure that. Well, if he's old enough to
• 26:57
  drive a RV, yeah, he's probably old enough to kidnap a kid.
• 27:01
  Yeah, immediately poking holes in the story.
• 27:03
  How could he drive? And he just repeats it over and
• 27:05
  over again. And Phil, I hear what you're.
• 27:06
  Saying, and that is Jill Inhale's fantastic response.
• 27:10
  He belongs in retail. That's right.
• 27:11
  I get it. We're looking at all
• 27:12
  possibilities. I get it.
• 27:13
  I need you to calm down. Classic my wife.
• 27:16
  Was thinking he just doesn't have very interpersonal skills
• 27:19
  correct and that's probably part of his character.
• 27:22
  Yeah, and Jake doesn't have a good answer for.
• 27:24
  Him, he doesn't yell him to his job.
• 27:26
  He never lost the case. So let's give this guy the
• 27:29
  benefit of the doubt. What I think is interesting too,
• 27:31
  and I thought we talked about this with doctors and so forth,
• 27:34
  is the empathy that is lost. Gyllenhaal presents no support,
• 27:39
  yeah, or understanding or comforting to anybody in this
• 27:44
  family. He says I'm going to find them,
• 27:46
  but that's like the. But I'm not giving you that
• 27:48
  bedside. Manner.
• 27:49
  Yeah. And Jackman is so jacked up.
• 27:52
  Exactly. He's so amped up that I think
• 27:55
  you could have deflated that or popped that balloon just a
• 27:59
  little if you were willing to. But the most he gets is I hear
• 28:03
  you get. It.
• 28:05
  Let me do my job, let me do my job.
• 28:07
  But I really like these two actors front to front here.
• 28:09
  And what makes this job a little more difficult, Phil, is your
• 28:12
  police captain. Oh yeah.
• 28:14
  That can make or break the office chemistry.
• 28:18
  Course the dynamics. All off.
• 28:20
  I'm going to see how many times I can bring up Bosch in this.
• 28:23
  OK, but he didn't get his captain.
• 28:25
  He got along with some people, but Bosh often because of his.
• 28:28
  Church his own course. Because of his ways, he did
• 28:32
  ruffle a few feathers with other people who had some other ideas.
• 28:36
  He's a bit of a lone wolf. I got you.
• 28:38
  But he had a partner and they got along.
• 28:40
  Were they the lone wolves then together?
• 28:42
  Exactly. Just a couple of lone wolves in
• 28:46
  the town. But unfortunately they only have
• 28:49
  48 hours to charge him and the captain won't give him an extra
• 28:52
  day, which coincidentally. Hugh Jackman, Les Mis One More
• 28:58
  Day is one of the great songs. Ohhh wonderful shirts on their
• 29:01
  Spotify. That's right.
• 29:02
  But the job doesn't stop, so he's gonna keep on looking for
• 29:05
  suspects. In his combative stance with the
• 29:08
  police captain, he says I've got a list of pedophiles, so if you
• 29:11
  just stop getting in my way, I'm going to go look.
• 29:13
  I'm. Gonna go do my job and that's
• 29:14
  concerning the amount that he gave out and that like mile
• 29:17
  radius like wow, I hope that's not true and little montage real
• 29:23
  quick, though not really noteworthy.
• 29:25
  No, but one is what I thought dead on the floor.
• 29:29
  Hmm. That was my first impression
• 29:31
  because we're dealing with possibly murders, mysteries.
• 29:34
  Dark movie could be. Sure fits, but like me in my
• 29:37
  20s, just drunk on the floor. That's right, don't mind.
• 29:40
  Little bit of drool coming out the side of your mouth, no big
• 29:42
  deal. Yeah, don't worry about.
• 29:44
  It step over me to get someplace else.
• 29:45
  Yeah, and this is. What turns out to be a local
• 29:48
  priest, Gyllenhaal, sees a chord going in an odd direction and
• 29:55
  goes to move the fridge cause it's not really where it's
• 29:58
  supposed to be and voila, discovers a hidden room.
• 30:02
  Without a stairwell, yeah, that it's dangerous.
• 30:05
  Very. That house would not pass a
• 30:07
  safety. No.
• 30:08
  Cars that have to pass safety. But you know what I mean, not to
• 30:11
  code. When he gets down there, my wife
• 30:13
  like, how is he going to get back up?
• 30:15
  Like, don't worry about it, Jake.
• 30:16
  Trying to figure out the movie. And these are scary moments in
• 30:20
  these movies, and I find them more scary than the horror
• 30:23
  movies that we watch. Yeah, Because I don't know
• 30:25
  what's going to happen. Totally.
• 30:26
  I know all the tricks now and I know the purpose of it is the
• 30:30
  kills. Yeah, for that type of movie,
• 30:32
  that's slasher film. That is what it's all about.
• 30:34
  For sure. Really on the type of execution,
• 30:36
  are we doing the chainsaw this week?
• 30:38
  The blade rotted, lots of options.
• 30:41
  You have the what was that one in the third one, the harpoon.
• 30:45
  Harpoon, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:46
  That's a good time. First kill ever in the Jason
• 30:49
  mask right there. That's true.
• 30:50
  Check the archives so I'm not scared.
• 30:53
  It's not like I'm like nestled into my wife's armpit or
• 30:56
  anything like that. Maybe for a second it did
• 30:59
  happen, but I appreciate that suspense in these types of
• 31:02
  movies, and it was justified with our results.
• 31:04
  Yeah, it turns out there's a big old dead body down there.
• 31:08
  Been there for at least a few days.
• 31:10
  Few days to know how that works. President Files doesn't explain
• 31:15
  that to me, but probably not Skeleton.
• 31:18
  No, it hasn't been. Decomposed to a certain extent
• 31:21
  for sure. But enough to ask some questions
• 31:23
  to the to the priest is why this dead body?
• 31:25
  And what do you think of the priest answers?
• 31:27
  Do you buy it? I have no reason to not trust
• 31:29
  this priest. He's a priest.
• 31:31
  Well, he's on his child sex. Well, I mean, aren't they all?
• 31:36
  Just kidding. Yeah.
• 31:38
  Generally speaking, I didn't quite understand how he died
• 31:41
  necessarily. Like, is the priest responsible
• 31:43
  for his death? So from a legal perspective, I
• 31:46
  was confused, but I believe what he was saying.
• 31:49
  I just don't know how much time he's doing for this situation.
• 31:53
  Sure. Yeah.
• 31:54
  I mean, certainly got the impression he was tied up, Yeah.
• 31:57
  And left for dead. I guess that's what he wanted
• 31:59
  because he had sinned. That's my thinking is that this
• 32:01
  guy shows up and he's got his own issues.
• 32:05
  I'd say asking for help and that's how he helped.
• 32:08
  Them. Do you think that's what the guy
• 32:10
  wanted though? I think that's the question.
• 32:13
  Or is like this is what you're getting for your sins?
• 32:15
  Well, you said the guy asked him to help him stop.
• 32:18
  Well, he. Did after 17 kidnapped or
• 32:21
  whatever children so I suspect it's in that.
• 32:23
  Well, that's when he stopped. Yeah, mission accomplished.
• 32:26
  I'd say the Father did what he needed to do, but what that
• 32:29
  means is that there is still no evidence for Alex's involvement,
• 32:33
  which means he's released. The windows closed, that's
• 32:36
  right. And Jackman and Terrence Howard
• 32:38
  and the whole families, they're all scouring the forest.
• 32:40
  And then Jackman finds out. Kellor Keller is his name.
• 32:44
  It's a weird name. It's an odd.
• 32:45
  Name. It's like a two last name guy.
• 32:46
  Yeah, I don't like it. No, I'm out.
• 32:48
  I'm done. Doesn't make sense so he just
• 32:52
  runs off and he attacks Alex on the footsteps of.
• 32:55
  The courthouse? Not a good move.
• 32:58
  And what does Alex say? Oh, what does he say?
• 33:01
  He says they didn't cry. Until I left them.
• 33:05
  I got that right. You got it and I heard it.
• 33:08
  Yep. You heard it.
• 33:09
  We all heard it, except nobody else heard it.
• 33:12
  So that's what he said. He said situation.
• 33:16
  Absolutely, but it also means as an audience, Alex isn't off.
• 33:20
  The hook no. Even though there's no evidence,
• 33:22
  even though the RV is clean, there's some malevolence
• 33:25
  happening. He knows something.
• 33:26
  It sounds creepy as shit and certainly implicates him, and
• 33:30
  that pushes Dover over the edge. Dover, the edge.
• 33:35
  Dover, the name of the movie when Wahlberg was going to be in
• 33:38
  it, that's what it was going. To be his first name isn't Ben.
• 33:40
  That's right. Which leads to Jackman staking
• 33:45
  him out. Alex Jones and I know you can
• 33:47
  relate to this scene. Oh yes, absolutely.
• 33:50
  I've stocked many. Oh no.
• 33:51
  No, no, not that part. The dog walking parts yes and he
• 33:55
  does something really weird with the dog and that I think is done
• 34:02
  to add to the suspicion of his character totally because you
• 34:06
  don't do that and he doesn't hurt the dog per se.
• 34:09
  Why don't know we? Didn't really like it, didn't
• 34:12
  seem very excited about it. Yet Dover goes and fights with
• 34:16
  Gyllenhaal to say, like, look, he said all these things and
• 34:19
  they're like, we can't, There's nothing.
• 34:21
  And he is pissed off at the captain again.
• 34:23
  Right. Just one more day.
• 34:24
  It's all asked for you. I told you this would happen.
• 34:26
  Yeah. And so Jackman takes into his
• 34:28
  hands. But this is the only part of the
• 34:30
  movie that I find strange. Credulity is to me that is
• 34:36
  confrontational to me. Alex goes for this walk, senses
• 34:41
  or notices or sees Jackman watching.
• 34:43
  Him pretty obvious. Then holds up the dog in some
• 34:47
  level of discomfort and in a threatening manner, and then
• 34:53
  proceeds to walk across the street singing Jingle Bells.
• 34:56
  Batman Smells Great song by the way.
• 34:58
  I sung it as a kid. We all have.
• 34:59
  Hmm. So to me, if Alex is, as we find
• 35:04
  out later, a little less than involved in this whole thing,
• 35:07
  that piece tells me more malevolence.
• 35:10
  That tells me fuck you. That's a taunt.
• 35:13
  It's a taunt. It's a taunt.
• 35:14
  I think I'm messing with you and I'm going to show you.
• 35:16
  I'm going to fucking play with your head by singing the song
• 35:19
  and I'm going to hold up this dog whom I'm supposed to take
• 35:21
  care of and I'm basically. Hurting and I see what you're.
• 35:24
  Saying so, it's kind of manipulating us.
• 35:26
  I think so. But it's also about Jackman.
• 35:28
  Now, I don't mind being manipulated.
• 35:29
  That's movies. But if we're led to believe that
• 35:31
  he is this innocent, which the movie pays off at the end, he's
• 35:35
  the innocent. That's what I don't.
• 35:36
  Like then you don't do these two things.
• 35:38
  You can't because you can do the other stuff.
• 35:40
  Yeah, because he's got like, plausible deniability on
• 35:42
  everything else. I'm in the RV.
• 35:42
  I like to go for a drive. I like to.
• 35:44
  But this is a mismatch. When you watch the whole movie
• 35:47
  now, this scene no longer matches up with a scene later.
• 35:50
  And that's important to me. I don't like the mismatching.
• 35:52
  Yes, that's the problem. Now it's not enough to Take Me
• 35:55
  Out because I don't really didn't hear.
• 35:56
  Notices are wonderful, like there's enough stuff that's
• 35:58
  going in it's direction in the right.
• 36:00
  Way I just figure he's really not.
• 36:02
  With it and that could be it too, right?
• 36:04
  It could be easily dismissed, but I just found this is the one
• 36:06
  moment where I'm a little less than.
• 36:08
  It could be construed that way and you construed.
• 36:10
  It that way I definitely construed.
• 36:12
  Some construction happening here.
• 36:15
  Totally. And this movie does this a
• 36:17
  couple times. We're just fades to black.
• 36:19
  Yeah. So we don't know exactly what
• 36:21
  happened. Next time jump.
• 36:23
  Not that guy I know. No, but then it's him and
• 36:26
  Terrence in the truck driving somewhere with an extra set of
• 36:30
  clothes, which is good to have in case.
• 36:31
  You go bag. Yeah, and this was mentioned
• 36:34
  earlier, almost right near the beginning about this other house
• 36:38
  grandpas. You could just renovate it.
• 36:40
  It's too much money. It looks like shit.
• 36:42
  And he's right. That's a big undertaking.
• 36:44
  Like that's not livable. No.
• 36:46
  But fortunately, it has a bathroom.
• 36:48
  That's right. That's a great place to keep
• 36:50
  somebody against their will. A prisoner, if you will.
• 36:53
  So they got Alex? Yeah, got him tied up.
• 36:56
  Yeah, Jackman gets them. I don't want you.
• 36:58
  You said they. This is Jackman's deal.
• 37:00
  They're supposed to say they now.
• 37:01
  OK, Yeah, well, you're right. Because Terrence has no idea
• 37:04
  this has happened and he's not on board.
• 37:07
  With it, he's like George Aronoff and Dave Moss.
• 37:10
  He's just, he's just there because he listened.
• 37:13
  Pretty much poor. Guy because when this goes to
• 37:16
  court, questionable for sure and it's starts out, I don't want to
• 37:21
  say tame, but there's a progression here, assuming that
• 37:24
  he'll talk after a few close to the face lay the threat.
• 37:27
  Out and of course anybody in the right mind I'm talking but is
• 37:31
  not in his right mind. He beats the shadow, he really
• 37:34
  does. And the anger and rage.
• 37:36
  And I think this is an interesting element, which is
• 37:38
  this sort of religious peaceful guy who says the Lord's Prayer
• 37:42
  5625 times a week, a month or day, whatever.
• 37:46
  Yeah. And we've already heard a couple
• 37:47
  of times in the movie alone has the rage and anger and penchant
• 37:53
  for malice that he can just beat the shit out of another person.
• 37:57
  Now, that is clearly the love of a child, if you want to call it
• 38:00
  that, overpowering whatever religious beliefs he may have or
• 38:05
  it's justified under the circumstances.
• 38:07
  You can just ask for forgiveness after.
• 38:09
  If he's Catholic, it's fine. Yeah, yeah, just oops, my bad.
• 38:12
  Can I get, yeah, can I get a buyback?
• 38:14
  Seven Hail Marys and you've got a clean slate.
• 38:17
  That's right. So anyway, I found that to be an
• 38:18
  interesting character trait. But it's intense.
• 38:20
  It's very intense. This movie really handles those
• 38:23
  kind of moments really well. You get the first few shots and
• 38:26
  certainly see some damage and then you cut away.
• 38:28
  You know where this is going. That first part we've seen in,
• 38:32
  like, action movies where people get beat up, that I'm like, OK,
• 38:37
  it's what we see a little bit later that's really, really
• 38:41
  intense, powerful stuff. And the more and more I hear you
• 38:43
  talk about this movie, there's more religious stuff than I may
• 38:46
  have picked up on. OK.
• 38:48
  Because the next scene, we were back with the priest.
• 38:50
  That's right. And I mean, he's going on about
• 38:53
  something and it's God related. Sure.
• 38:56
  Trying to justify, well, I think just to try and find a way to
• 39:01
  explain what you know, it says that there's a war against God
• 39:04
  happening in the daylight. You know what's going.
• 39:06
  On sure or he's fighting against it and that's what this guy was
• 39:09
  he shows up I've killed 17 kids you need to help me the fact
• 39:12
  that that evil can exist. The religious overtones are
• 39:15
  there, the war is coming, is what he says.
• 39:17
  And that obviously ties in later when we've revealed what the
• 39:20
  real villain of the movie is. And that rationale I think comes
• 39:24
  comes along pretty naturally. And it matches with this because
• 39:27
  the fact is it is in the world, it is out there, and this kind
• 39:30
  of people does exist. We are introduced to another
• 39:41
  suspect. Yeah, the villains just keep
• 39:44
  popping up. Gyllenhaal is at this vigil, and
• 39:47
  he sees a shadowy man. Yeah, with a.
• 39:50
  Teddy Bear, I don't know if he want to put it down or he's just
• 39:52
  checking it out. He likes titties.
• 39:54
  I feel like I've seen him in the same role before.
• 39:57
  Built for it. I would say he's creepy looking
• 39:59
  and he's yeah, he fits the role. Good casting in this movie,
• 40:02
  totally. Generally speaking, and if
• 40:04
  you're not guilty, probably wouldn't run.
• 40:08
  We just saw it earlier, if Alex isn't guilty, he wouldn't run.
• 40:11
  So this is a an echo of that, right?
• 40:13
  So did they work together? Do they know one another at all?
• 40:16
  We'll find out, but he gets away.
• 40:18
  Jakes, he's not winning any track and field events.
• 40:20
  Nobody gets a look at him enough to get a sketch art, sketch
• 40:24
  artist involved. Yeah.
• 40:26
  And obviously propels the movie a little longer.
• 40:28
  And I think Gyllenhaal, particularly in this section,
• 40:30
  I've liked throughout the whole movie.
• 40:31
  But in this section, I think he's really good.
• 40:33
  This is a much different role from a few weeks ago in Everest.
• 40:36
  Absolutely not as chill. Yeah, that's a good example, but
• 40:39
  it's still up there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:41
  And well for him. But yes, definitely a much
• 40:44
  chiller environment. Gets a phone call, somebody from
• 40:47
  Walmart like a Valley Village. I'm just trying to get a sponsor
• 40:50
  perhaps, but that point, that's all we're given just a little
• 40:54
  bit of a lead. Very investigative, but we're
• 40:57
  going to put a pin in that for now.
• 40:58
  We go back to the captivity, the prisoner we know difference is
• 41:04
  not fully on board with this. And it's always good to tell
• 41:07
  your wife everything. It's very important, Phil.
• 41:10
  So his wife catches wind of what's happening and wants to
• 41:13
  see. Him catches wind because he
• 41:14
  told. Him.
• 41:15
  Yeah, that that would be. Yeah, that's exactly.
• 41:18
  I don't think not like she just heard it like yeah.
• 41:23
  And Jack? Word on the street.
• 41:24
  Is you kidnapped again? Check this.
• 41:26
  Everyone's talking about water cooler and everything and she's
• 41:30
  not doing. Well, both the wives are really
• 41:32
  distraught. Understandably.
• 41:33
  So Maria Bella, Bella, sorry, is basically a coma all the time on
• 41:38
  the pills and stuff. And Viola Davis here, I think is
• 41:40
  really good in a couple of the scenes that she gets.
• 41:42
  Yeah, yeah. And so she, yeah, she shows up
• 41:45
  in this shot again, just the framing of that.
• 41:48
  Oh my. God, his head behind the scene
• 41:50
  and I thought that we're not going to see it.
• 41:52
  I was like, oh this is. Wish we classy yeah, I don't
• 41:55
  want to see Yeah, it's too much for me.
• 41:58
  Me and my wife both looked. Away the big reveal.
• 42:00
  It's garish. That's good makeup.
• 42:03
  Really. I'm just trying to say good
• 42:05
  things about it because it is quite loaded up for you here.
• 42:09
  No thanks. Those eyes like came and.
• 42:13
  See, it's incredible. Just a blood soaked face just
• 42:16
  looking terrible and watching her react to that.
• 42:19
  These are good people, you know, good religious, faithful people.
• 42:23
  And seeing the depravity that these two or one is capable of
• 42:30
  is like a real punch in the stomach.
• 42:33
  I'm sure for her, because this isn't just an accident I'm
• 42:36
  looking at this is somebody did this.
• 42:38
  In fact, my husband did this and my best friend husband did this.
• 42:44
  He's involved. And remind me of Jericho on how
• 42:47
  people change, especially if you remember season 2, they're
• 42:51
  fighting against the other town. They used to have friendly
• 42:54
  sports rivalries. They have bake offs together,
• 42:57
  all these great things between towns and now they're murdering
• 43:00
  each other like wow, it's. Just it can happen, right?
• 43:03
  It's self preservation or it's anything that can trigger it.
• 43:08
  But watching her react to not only Alex's face, but the
• 43:13
  realities of the circumstance I think are really good.
• 43:16
  And she's trying to. She tried.
• 43:18
  She's trying a different approach.
• 43:19
  Yeah, Softer, softer approach. The other one, Good cop, bad
• 43:22
  cop, bad cop ain't working. Yeah, because he's not talking.
• 43:25
  And that was a little bit frustrating.
• 43:27
  That's, I think the point. I know what they are, Jackman.
• 43:30
  And that, like, just knocks. I don't want to see it anymore,
• 43:33
  let alone I don't want you to feel it anymore.
• 43:35
  Get it? And she unties his hands.
• 43:38
  And just when you think maybe this guy has nothing to do with
• 43:40
  anything, he acts like he does. He goes after her, cuts her,
• 43:44
  cuts him, tries to get out the windows.
• 43:46
  Like, OK, we're back at square 1 again here.
• 43:50
  Geez. Jackman uses it as validation
• 43:53
  and affirmation. OK, that's it.
• 43:56
  He still isn't talking. First excuse, he tries to run
• 43:58
  away and he attacked me. He's capable of violence,
• 44:01
  therefore I'm on the right. Thus the wooden shower is born.
• 44:05
  Oh my God, that's rough. Totally rough, you imagine?
• 44:09
  Well, that's what I don't. Quite get about Alex, like
• 44:13
  understand these 10 year old mentally, but to go through that
• 44:17
  pain and that suffering and this is torture at this point
• 44:21
  totally. I would say with the hot cold
• 44:22
  water, there's no argument about that.
• 44:25
  Maybe there is. I think they lose it though.
• 44:28
  I think he would still have the mental capacity to say I do know
• 44:32
  something like if you just protecting his ants by not
• 44:36
  because he was with the kids, he has information and he's not
• 44:40
  saying anything. But why is he not saying
• 44:43
  anything? I don't know.
• 44:44
  It's not really. Explained.
• 44:46
  I think he's genuinely is incapable because she talks
• 44:49
  about later in her explanation, the ants explanation that he's
• 44:53
  had fewer and fewer words ever since right?
• 44:55
  Like he's just completely shut down the world in part of what
• 44:58
  he's experienced from she's not helping from it.
• 45:01
  No, definitely. Not a good role model.
• 45:03
  From the young age, right? So I think it is legitimate, but
• 45:06
  you don't know that. So all you have is this
• 45:08
  frustration, this anger, this rage and frankly this suspicion
• 45:12
  that he's the bad guy because the movie is presented it that
• 45:14
  way. And we like Jackman, we like
• 45:16
  Gyllenhaal, even if we don't like the Kellers actions like
• 45:20
  demeanor or whatever. You can't really argue with.
• 45:23
  You could certainly justify it by saying, yeah, but I mean,
• 45:26
  these kids, I mean, like, of course you're going to be at
• 45:28
  your worst when this happens. But this is.
• 45:32
  It's definitely an extremity that is unbelievable, and the
• 45:35
  fact that this sort of righteous person can have that level of
• 45:38
  depravity is telling and I think makes for a compelling
• 45:42
  character. Yeah, that's the main crux of
• 45:44
  the film, is that character. Absolutely.
• 45:46
  And the fallout of this is Viola Davis, she basically says.
• 45:52
  Whatever happens, happens. Yeah, we're not going to help
• 45:55
  him, but we're also not going to stop him.
• 45:57
  That's a talk about on the fence.
• 45:59
  Yeah, that's what I'd be doing. It's a quiet exit.
• 46:01
  Yeah, right. I don't want to be a part of
• 46:03
  this, but I also want the end result that he does.
• 46:07
  Yeah. That moral ambiguity is not
• 46:09
  something we really saw last week.
• 46:10
  I'm certain this is the way. Right?
• 46:12
  That's Paula's way in deterrence.
• 46:15
  This one is. I don't know but I can't live
• 46:19
  like this so I need an answer and if this is how I get it then
• 46:22
  I have to turn a blind eye to it these.
• 46:23
  Characters are at different tiers, of course, of what
• 46:26
  they're willing to do, and Jackman's wife is on the other
• 46:29
  end of things. I'm just comatose, not doing
• 46:31
  anything. And these two are sort of in the
• 46:35
  middle. Totally.
• 46:35
  Yeah. That's the dynamic we have here.
• 46:37
  Yeah, the next time we see Maria Bello is when Bob Oht Bob Yeah
• 46:44
  makes a little. Visit that I was confused about.
• 46:46
  I didn't understand what he was doing.
• 46:48
  OK, he was entering both the homes, but that's all we see.
• 46:52
  There's no real. Yeah, one of the daughters is in
• 46:54
  there in the bathtub and there's some misdirection there.
• 46:56
  She's gone, but she's just pissed off.
• 46:59
  And don't let tell me when you're leaving next.
• 47:01
  Time. Good point.
• 47:02
  I think that's what happened. Yeah, You better be clear.
• 47:05
  Lock those God damn doors. But I mean, I haven't locked my
• 47:08
  door and really well, just when I go to sleep.
• 47:11
  And even then, sometimes not. I'm in Vanier.
• 47:13
  So they're OHS locked. Yeah.
• 47:15
  Yeah. Boarded up.
• 47:16
  Oh yeah. My garage has been broken into
• 47:17
  twice. Oh my gosh.
• 47:18
  It's a lot of tools I lost. Luckily I don't use them, so it
• 47:22
  worked OK. Jackman would on Alex, but so I
• 47:26
  was a little bit confused and didn't make sense to me.
• 47:28
  Obviously I figured it out. My wife already knew.
• 47:32
  I'm sure you did too. And again, maybe it's just an
• 47:34
  oversight by me, but if I not figuring things out, I'm pretty
• 47:39
  happy with the film because I don't want to know.
• 47:42
  Yeah, which is why I felt terrible for you for six cents.
• 47:46
  You never want to know that that might be Alex and might be Bob.
• 47:50
  It could be somebody else. I never thought who will end up
• 47:52
  being was the person. Yeah.
• 47:53
  It's fun. Yeah.
• 47:54
  It's kind of obvious now looking back.
• 47:56
  Oh, yeah. Yeah, this is that person, I
• 47:58
  think at some point. The movie wants us to think it
• 48:00
  could be Jackman. That's right.
• 48:02
  I don't know that I really fully buy that, or even that the movie
• 48:04
  is fully doing that, but it does drop a couple.
• 48:06
  Of like, he's up to something. Yes.
• 48:08
  So Jake's following him around. I would say probably the worst
• 48:11
  tale stuff. Very possible.
• 48:13
  Yeah, I've seen, I get a lot of shows.
• 48:15
  You're not doing a very good job.
• 48:16
  You're at a stop sign. Yeah, just pull over.
• 48:18
  Just pull over. What are we doing?
• 48:19
  Here, round the corner it doesn't matter, you still have
• 48:21
  the view. That's terrible movie that yeah,
• 48:25
  you have this big truck obviously giving away his.
• 48:28
  And all he says is go around. You know who isn't hearing that?
• 48:31
  The truck behind you hired give a emotion.
• 48:34
  I called the driver said I heard him say it.
• 48:37
  Go ahead, go. Around clear This is a reveal
• 48:40
  where we find out. At least this is what he tells
• 48:42
  us, that he hasn't had a drink in 9 1/2 years.
• 48:46
  This is a pretty good excuse. If you want 1, you need one.
• 48:49
  If you're looking for one. Hence why he didn't go directly
• 48:52
  into the liquor store and came out, because that's adding
• 48:55
  question marks. Like, are you going to the
• 48:58
  woods? Did you bury somebody?
• 48:59
  So yeah, again, it's some misdirection.
• 49:01
  I love it. It's good because it's not
• 49:03
  manipulating us. We're seeing the same thing Jake
• 49:06
  is seeing. There's no mismatch here.
• 49:07
  We're on the same page. His explanation checks out.
• 49:11
  We know it's bullshit, I think. I mean, I know it's bullshit,
• 49:13
  but the fact that he can come up with it that fast and he does it
• 49:16
  two or three more times in the movie where he's able just to
• 49:19
  think on his feet, play the game and manipulate himself in or out
• 49:23
  of a situation. And this is the first example of
• 49:25
  that. And I find it totally plausible.
• 49:27
  Like you're saying, even though I know it's bullshit, I'm
• 49:29
  impressed at the way in which he's slinging the bullshit.
• 49:32
  And very soon after, he's at his grandpa's house and here comes
• 49:38
  Jake. Yeah, and he.
• 49:40
  What's better? I got it.
• 49:41
  You already know I'm a drinker because we've established now
• 49:44
  I'm just drinking on the floor. I don't want my wife to see me.
• 49:47
  Yeah, that's plausible. Totally reasonable.
• 49:49
  Now, a little bit of contrivance.
• 49:50
  He gets close to the bathroom and he gets a phone call.
• 49:53
  But that happens, yes, there's no reveal there, as expected.
• 49:58
  However, that is quite an important phone call because
• 50:00
  there's a Bob sighting. At the Value Village.
• 50:03
  Walmart, whatever you want to call it.
• 50:04
  Sure. And he gets there soon enough
• 50:06
  where he can tail him. Yeah.
• 50:08
  And tracks him down to his homestead.
• 50:12
  And this guy does not do himself any favors.
• 50:14
  No, at the door. He is not trained for this
• 50:17
  situation whatsoever. Definitely one of the creepier
• 50:21
  performances I've seen in a while.
• 50:23
  I. Mean there's no logical answer
• 50:25
  for the questions anyway, so it's not like he can get out of
• 50:27
  it. Really.
• 50:28
  No. That you have any kids?
• 50:29
  No. You bought kids clothing.
• 50:30
  Yeah, like whoops by mistake. I mean, you could try a little
• 50:34
  bit harder. Sure.
• 50:34
  He's no Dover coming up with these quick witted responses.
• 50:38
  He's not Alex, a 10 year old, but I get the impression he's in
• 50:41
  that same, yeah, arrested state. Of young 1012 like clearly not.
• 50:48
  He's got things going on. Sure, but he's not able to
• 50:50
  communicate right? He's obviously off on his own.
• 50:53
  Yeah, and then we get a quite interesting scene here, Phil,
• 50:56
  that I was not expecting and it almost put me above the weird.
• 51:00
  OK Echelon, if that's the right term, probably not of where I
• 51:04
  want movies to go. And that's crossing the line.
• 51:07
  You're saying it didn't intrigued by it, but the snakes.
• 51:10
  OK, opening. I don't like snakes.
• 51:12
  You know that. People often compare me to
• 51:14
  Indiana Jones, MacGyver, all the greats.
• 51:17
  Buddy don't like snakes, and he doesn't mind Jake.
• 51:21
  He's just opening up all these containers.
• 51:22
  What I think it was funny about that scene.
• 51:24
  It's the only thing I think is funny about that scene because
• 51:27
  it's really traumatic otherwise. I didn't find anything funny,
• 51:29
  but what? Is it Jake being surprised three
• 51:32
  crates in a row? That's more snakes.
• 51:35
  He jumps back and he opens next and he jumps back.
• 51:38
  Dude, snakes are just makes me chuckle.
• 51:39
  It never gets easier. And I'll tell you another thing
• 51:42
  that may be part of why the snakes aren't everyone's
• 51:46
  favorite. Hmm.
• 51:47
  That's what happened at the Garden of Eden, buddy.
• 51:49
  OHS Snake enters the Garden of Eden, ruins it for everybody.
• 51:53
  That's true. There's some connective tissues.
• 51:54
  Connective tissue, you're welcome.
• 51:56
  But there are some garments and there's some blood.
• 51:59
  Yes, and pigs head in the sink. There we go.
• 52:02
  It's a lot of creep. It's a lot of weird stuff.
• 52:04
  Another suspect that isn't clearly the guy.
• 52:08
  But it could be the guy. Yeah, totally plausible.
• 52:11
  If this was the guy, it would make complete sense.
• 52:14
  You spent the half the movie thinking it's Alex, we found the
• 52:16
  next half, it's this guy, and now you have to pin it on him in
• 52:19
  like a traditional movie. That could very well be the plot
• 52:22
  of this movie. Or red herring.
• 52:24
  Or red herring. I'm looking at my watch though,
• 52:27
  like I don't think this is the guy.
• 52:28
  Yeah, I wonder actually have a question about that.
• 52:30
  When we're watching these types of movies, how often if at all
• 52:33
  do you look at your watch and or wiggle the mouse or whatever
• 52:38
  else to reveal how much is left? Because you talk about you don't
• 52:41
  want to figure out the movie, you don't want to know anything,
• 52:43
  you want to see it as clean as possible.
• 52:45
  And I'm guilty of this, too. But I meant, like, for your
• 52:47
  purposes, you say all these things, but if you're engaged in
• 52:51
  a movie and it's wrapping up to, let's say, Bob is getting
• 52:55
  arrested. Yeah, they look at you and then
• 52:57
  you look and go an hour. Yeah.
• 52:58
  Like, no, like, OK, well, you're not spoiling anything, but you
• 53:02
  are. But you are.
• 53:03
  So do you turn off or do you sometimes play the game with
• 53:07
  your own, like, oh, shit. Like 45 minutes?
• 53:09
  I guess it's not this. I thought about it in this
• 53:12
  movie. I'm like, I wonder where we are
• 53:14
  at this movie time wise. But I didn't look because I
• 53:17
  didn't want to know. And sometimes I do want to know
• 53:20
  because the movie doesn't have me and you know me.
• 53:23
  Long movies are a struggle for me.
• 53:24
  And Bill Nov is a slow burn guy. Yeah, it's incredible.
• 53:28
  I struggle with Dune, Yeah. Arrival actually ended up really
• 53:31
  liking YEAH, but this one I had no issues with.
• 53:34
  The runner you enjoyed as well. You talked about it.
• 53:37
  You know, we'll talk about it then.
• 53:39
  I have issues with Blade Runner for pacing do but this one, the
• 53:42
  little things like you mentioned, the little shots of
• 53:45
  the toy, we don't need to do any of these things.
• 53:48
  These are the things that make his movie longer, but these are
• 53:51
  all choices that he likes to do, and in a lot of cases, they pay
• 53:55
  off, which is why he's such a good filmmaker.
• 53:57
  Yeah, but I'm completely happy with this 2 1/2 hour movie.
• 54:01
  Fantastic. Surprisingly, I love it.
• 54:04
  Maybe I will watch Oppenheimer. He has the crates, the snakes,
• 54:13
  the whole thing. Probable cause.
• 54:15
  That's right. Yeah, absolutely.
• 54:17
  They arrest him. They bring him in interrogation.
• 54:20
  2.0. But in the interim, they get to
• 54:23
  show the pictures of the clothes.
• 54:26
  Yeah. And I love this scene.
• 54:28
  It's painful to watch, but. Yeah, having Jackman out in the
• 54:31
  hallway while Howard's doing his thing, his revelation that she's
• 54:37
  not coming. His wife can't even approach the
• 54:40
  moment at this time and watching them leave and walk past him
• 54:44
  with almost no acknowledgement either, that relationship would
• 54:47
  completely. It's.
• 54:48
  It's strange destroyed if not. And then Jackman facing
• 54:53
  Gyllenhaal going through 1 by 1. Those photos, fucking
• 54:56
  incredible. Yeah, and when he sees the sock,
• 54:59
  that performance right then and there.
• 55:01
  I've struggled with this, as you know, in in many movies, like
• 55:03
  when there's such a big emotional moments that it's
• 55:07
  almost impossible for an actor to get to that.
• 55:09
  Level he does and I was impressed.
• 55:12
  I agree. And what he has is the line
• 55:14
  afterwards, which I love, which is you wasted time lashing out
• 55:20
  you. It's not Jake's fault you let
• 55:22
  this happen. I don't know about that.
• 55:25
  Well, from from his perspective, perspective you let Alex.
• 55:28
  Leave, but he has them, so I mean that's not loose.
• 55:31
  But he still doesn't know where his kid is and it's been 6 days
• 55:34
  or whatever else. I love Line, and I love that
• 55:36
  because of the obsessive nature of Gyllenhaal's character so
• 55:40
  far. That's going to eat at.
• 55:42
  Him. I think I know why he said it,
• 55:45
  but Jackman's character thought it was Alex anyway.
• 55:48
  You're admitting that you're wrong yourself, you know, Like
• 55:51
  you're wrong too then. So you're both wrong.
• 55:53
  Yeah, I think it's more of you waited this long to find this
• 55:56
  guy and if you were spending less time following me into.
• 55:59
  Yeah, I suppose. Into confectionery stores or
• 56:02
  whatever an hour. Make a difference, I guess in
• 56:05
  these things they could. But anyway, in the end it leaves
• 56:08
  Jackman empty and he goes back to the house where he's got Alex
• 56:14
  and he just screams and yells like tell me anything something
• 56:19
  you have to. And he's fucking with the hot
• 56:21
  scolding water. Does he finally say something
• 56:24
  here? Mazes.
• 56:25
  That's right, yes. Finally said something.
• 56:28
  God. He also says something will get
• 56:31
  to you. And I think at that point
• 56:34
  Jackman thinks it's the Ant. I'll fuck with the Ant and that
• 56:37
  will trigger him. The move.
• 56:40
  That's the that's the move. So yeah, this maze thing starts
• 56:44
  to become a thing. Things are finally starting to
• 56:48
  connect a little. Bit Bob's got the book, but also
• 56:50
  all the walls are mazes. Yeah, and Speaking of Bob, and
• 56:53
  this has happened in Bosh, got a hold of the firearm.
• 56:56
  Ohhhhh. Yeah, and you'll appreciate this
• 57:00
  because it's all on screen. Yeah.
• 57:01
  Yeah. Blows his own brains out.
• 57:03
  Yeah. Looks great.
• 57:04
  And we're left with nothing except for the base.
• 57:07
  Yeah, I don't know what Maze is. I don't know what I'm doing with
• 57:10
  that. Yeah, it keeps saying he's been
• 57:11
  drawing it for three hours and Gyllenhaal just kind of losing.
• 57:14
  His mind frustrated. Yeah.
• 57:16
  And then after that happens, he goes back and he's still more
• 57:19
  frustrated. He smashes the shit out of his
• 57:21
  keyboard and then he plays with the little RV toy.
• 57:25
  And here's the ha ha moment. And here's the here it is.
• 57:27
  And he sees the picture of the medallion.
• 57:30
  Yeah, I'd call him Medallion. On the priest.
• 57:33
  On the dead body. Dead body.
• 57:34
  On the dead body. Phillip that was in the basement
• 57:36
  at the priest house. Yes, but I certainly didn't pay
• 57:39
  any attention to the medallion on the guy in the basement of
• 57:42
  the priest house. Oh heavens no, you wouldn't be a
• 57:45
  good investigator. No, we all know that it's a
• 57:47
  trick of the movie that we get to be on everybody's journey in
• 57:52
  a different way. And the ability of the movie to
• 57:55
  do that, I think is really commendable because I find
• 57:58
  myself completely engaged when Gyllenhaal's on the screen.
• 58:00
  OHS that track? Yeah, I love that track.
• 58:03
  And then I'm equally on the same plane with Jackman on his track.
• 58:07
  So it's really great storytelling.
• 58:09
  And if you can throw in a little blood, you know, head blowing
• 58:12
  up. I'm.
• 58:12
  OK with that too. Now, in contrast to that,
• 58:17
  Speaking of Jackman's track as it were, he decides a different
• 58:20
  approach based on the conversation with Alex.
• 58:22
  And he goes to chat with Aunt Holly and Holly, and he's trying
• 58:28
  to play good cop, if you will. Yeah, I mean, that's the right
• 58:32
  play. It helps as a misdirect for
• 58:34
  sure, because I have no idea what's happening and it softens
• 58:39
  him up a little bit. But you know that because of the
• 58:42
  last hour and a half of the movie, he is not a, for lack of
• 58:46
  a better term, a good guy. So there's an angle to whatever
• 58:49
  he's doing. Hmm.
• 58:51
  And he's trying to fish now. I feel like I'm an amazed,
• 58:54
  right? He's trying to catch her in some
• 58:57
  connection to what happens with Alex.
• 59:00
  But we didn't win this round. Leaves empty handed.
• 59:02
  Yeah, but he gets to hear the story, which obviously we as an
• 59:05
  audience is more important about Alex and her kid that died of
• 59:09
  cancer. I didn't pick that up at the
• 59:11
  time, obviously, but that is the motivation.
• 59:14
  Absolutely, she establishes. You know, very devout Christian
• 59:17
  family and that Alex had an accident with a snake earlier.
• 59:21
  And then since then, he's gotten progressively worse.
• 59:23
  So there might have been some venom in there, who's to say?
• 59:26
  But there is some connection to what happened to Alex and why.
• 59:30
  And here's another example of this undercurrent underneath it.
• 59:32
  But for now, we just know her as I had a rough life, this kid,
• 59:36
  and I'm trying my best. I picked up Alex.
• 59:38
  I'm trying. To trying to get by.
• 59:39
  Yeah, and I think she's really good in this movie.
• 59:42
  And the mystery deepens at this point because we find out the
• 59:45
  blood that was on the clothes was pigs blood.
• 59:47
  That's right. It makes sense.
• 59:48
  We saw pigs head, yes. I don't know if it makes sense,
• 59:52
  but it makes sense. Yeah, which kind of confirms Bob
• 59:56
  may not be the guy. Yeah, after all, we can't really
• 59:58
  question. Him No, that's right, didn't
• 1:00:00
  take, but they do allude to the fact that he feels like it was
• 1:00:05
  play acting. There's no connection, but
• 1:00:08
  there's clearly something off if you've got in the backyard child
• 1:00:12
  sized mannequins being buried. And then with Gyllenhaal, he
• 1:00:16
  looks at his notepad and remembers about the window being
• 1:00:19
  open and puts two and two together and realizes, yeah, Bob
• 1:00:23
  is stolen. The clothes and me and Jake are
• 1:00:25
  on the same page. I think the whole movie is
• 1:00:27
  exceptionally well laid out that way.
• 1:00:29
  You start asking the questions when something is off and like,
• 1:00:34
  yeah, like The Sixth Sense, right?
• 1:00:35
  Like, why is nobody talking to this guy?
• 1:00:37
  This feels weird. Why OHT?
• 1:00:39
  Because he's this dead and this. I never felt any of that.
• 1:00:42
  And so this moment where Jake gets the aha, I get the AHA.
• 1:00:46
  And I really love that feeling. I.
• 1:00:48
  Don't want to be ahead, I don't want to be behind.
• 1:00:50
  Maybe like a millisecond or two, but not more than a minute.
• 1:00:53
  Yeah, There are movies where it's like these clues are there
• 1:00:57
  for you as an audience member. And I don't want the clues.
• 1:01:00
  I want to be taking on the journey.
• 1:01:02
  Yeah. I want to be Jake.
• 1:01:04
  Yeah, just let me follow him and his story.
• 1:01:07
  I don't necessarily dislike it. Movies like usual suspects have
• 1:01:10
  that. Oh, you rewatch it and or the
• 1:01:11
  6th Sense and there's other oh, you get to play with it, but
• 1:01:14
  just take me on the journey. And I think this movie does that
• 1:01:16
  exceptionally well. And after that we've
• 1:01:20
  established, OK, Alex maybe isn't the guy and maybe Bob
• 1:01:24
  isn't the guy, but this has been going on for a long time.
• 1:01:27
  And what is up with these girls anyway?
• 1:01:29
  Can't find the guy? Find the guy.
• 1:01:31
  And luckily one of the girls, Joy comes back.
• 1:01:34
  Did that took you by surprise? Yes, we got lucky there.
• 1:01:37
  That's a big one. It's a big one.
• 1:01:39
  They show it like how it happened.
• 1:01:41
  It's a bit of a tough sell. You think the culprit is pretty
• 1:01:46
  good at this by now? Like they've been doing it 17.
• 1:01:49
  Yeah. Long time to mess up like that,
• 1:01:52
  to let that kid get away, but because this movie is done
• 1:01:55
  everything else so darn well and it's really the only thing that
• 1:02:00
  can really get us to the next scene, Yeah, kind of has to
• 1:02:03
  happen so. Sure, I love Septet, I love
• 1:02:06
  Jackman in this moment because of the same level of intensity,
• 1:02:09
  he now has a reason of hope. He's been so defeated.
• 1:02:13
  The last time we saw him, he was he's hunched over in the
• 1:02:15
  bathroom yelling at Alex doesn't know what to do is crying like
• 1:02:19
  he's. Too tired to even torture the
• 1:02:21
  guy at that point. That's out of energy, beat up,
• 1:02:23
  right, physically, emotionally. So the fact that he can be
• 1:02:28
  brought back to life a little bit with this news, Oh my God,
• 1:02:32
  joy. But she's gone through so much.
• 1:02:35
  I love that Doctor is just like, no, we don't have time for this.
• 1:02:37
  You can't do it. You can't do it but.
• 1:02:39
  Get calls, buddy. And then her revelation that you
• 1:02:42
  were there. Yeah, and.
• 1:02:45
  What and then just bolts out. I love where this movie is at
• 1:02:49
  right now. Like I said, I'm totally locked
• 1:02:50
  in. It's.
• 1:02:51
  Well played. Then Jake shows up at the
• 1:02:52
  hospital, not in time to know exactly, unfortunately, where
• 1:02:57
  Jackman's going. Yes, he tries to follow him,
• 1:03:00
  loses the tail. He's not going to tailing that
• 1:03:03
  we've established a couple times in.
• 1:03:04
  This movie but I love the misdirection so much.
• 1:03:08
  Like if you remember the Silence of the Lambs or even The
• 1:03:10
  Fugitive. Oh, you think he's getting
• 1:03:12
  arrested and it's just a guy pushing drugs upstairs?
• 1:03:15
  That's right. And Silence of the Lambs.
• 1:03:17
  We've got the FBI, Scott Glenn's ready to break into the door,
• 1:03:20
  and Clarice is just bringing on bells.
• 1:03:22
  And it turns out she's at the van and no one else is prepared.
• 1:03:26
  That's the best scene in that movie.
• 1:03:27
  Totally. And so the way that this
• 1:03:29
  unfolds, Jake, I know where you're going and he bolts to.
• 1:03:34
  Grandpa's House. To see Alex and Jackman races
• 1:03:38
  over to the Ant, Hmm. And the way that plays out, I
• 1:03:41
  just love. And so he's got a toolbox and
• 1:03:43
  he's full of cock sureness, like he is the guy who knows and I
• 1:03:47
  will save and protect and immediately gets hoodwinked.
• 1:03:52
  Did you? Realize that there was a gun.
• 1:03:55
  No. Yeah.
• 1:03:56
  OK. Good.
• 1:03:56
  Me neither. She burned her hand.
• 1:03:58
  I guess we should have figured something wasn't quite right.
• 1:04:00
  Like, how many years have you been boiling water?
• 1:04:03
  She's getting sloppy. Sure.
• 1:04:05
  I think, again, that she's never been presented as anything other
• 1:04:07
  than just the Ant, so I have no reason to question it.
• 1:04:10
  Well, that's good. And again, the camera doesn't
• 1:04:12
  play the trick because any other movies, Not any other movies,
• 1:04:15
  but weaker filmakers that trust an audience less.
• 1:04:18
  Hmm, will show you. Or tell you now a brief little.
• 1:04:23
  Shot, Why are we cutting to this?
• 1:04:25
  You're forcing me to look at her wrist.
• 1:04:26
  You're forcing me into a close up of OK, so something's up with
• 1:04:30
  the wrist. I don't want to know that.
• 1:04:32
  That's right. Want to be very subtle?
• 1:04:33
  So I'm watching it. Oh shit, I didn't know that.
• 1:04:36
  Even though I had seen the movie 13 years ago, I didn't expect it
• 1:04:39
  again. I love when you can watch a
• 1:04:41
  movie like this and forget everything to the point where
• 1:04:44
  it's like the first time again. Yeah, these movies isn't easy to
• 1:04:47
  do that. Totally.
• 1:04:48
  These got types of reveals. And she keeps a big two liter
• 1:04:52
  bottle of RC Cola in the fridge. Didn't have a label on it.
• 1:04:55
  But I'm going to get a little shout out to RC Got, you know,
• 1:04:58
  this father sponsored by RC. Cola might have been a little
• 1:05:01
  late on that. And yeah, he's in trouble.
• 1:05:04
  If there is a moment in the movie where I'm a little
• 1:05:07
  disappointed, and that is the problem with these types of
• 1:05:09
  movies is the playoffs almost can never live up to what I want
• 1:05:13
  them. To be to tall order.
• 1:05:15
  Yeah. So for her to have so much
• 1:05:18
  exposition, OHT, Alex, there's so many names.
• 1:05:21
  We took him. We took Bob.
• 1:05:22
  This is the James Bond moment a little bit, explaining all the
• 1:05:25
  things I've done to you, and I haven't killed you yet.
• 1:05:28
  And yeah, this woman at least is presented as a relatively old
• 1:05:32
  and fairly frail woman. And Jackman is Wolverine.
• 1:05:37
  He was at some point maybe make a move.
• 1:05:41
  But that's fine. It's not your prerogative.
• 1:05:43
  But if this scene goes on a little too long, a little too
• 1:05:45
  much explanation, and it's the one moment where I think Jackman
• 1:05:48
  is maybe overplaying when she says drink it and he approaches
• 1:05:53
  it with such vigor and vitality. That's right.
• 1:05:57
  Maybe it's maybe that's what he's doing.
• 1:05:59
  There you go. But the way in which he grabs it
• 1:06:01
  by both hands and it's just a touch to show high pitched,
• 1:06:06
  that's the only issue I have. That's OK.
• 1:06:08
  And he does it twice. It's sexy, college babes.
• 1:06:11
  Delicious. And then the car comes full
• 1:06:13
  circle with the Trans Am. Yes, see, I thought it was a
• 1:06:17
  Camaro. No.
• 1:06:19
  OK, come on. That's your card, right?
• 1:06:21
  Yeah. And as this all happening, she
• 1:06:23
  talks about how what she's doing is waging war against God.
• 1:06:27
  And that's really the full picture of what's happening.
• 1:06:30
  The last puzzle piece of the whole thing.
• 1:06:32
  You suffer. Yes, that's just the whole point
• 1:06:34
  is I do these things. So you become unreligious.
• 1:06:38
  Yeah, basically how God would allow you to through this.
• 1:06:42
  I was devout and God took my child and therefore I will take
• 1:06:46
  children. It's good for the.
• 1:06:47
  Goose to show you that God does not exist, and we talked about
• 1:06:52
  this in the End of the affair, which you probably do not.
• 1:06:55
  Remember a little hazy buddy? There's an affair and it ended.
• 1:06:59
  It's phenomenal. It's a letter of hate to God.
• 1:07:01
  He's writing a letter to God. Basically, leave me alone.
• 1:07:04
  Took this thing away. From Don't spoil it for me.
• 1:07:07
  It's an incredible movie. Neil Jordan, Julianne Moore, Ray
• 1:07:09
  Fines in 99 movie strong year. So even though that last little
• 1:07:13
  bit I'm like this drags on, whatever the rationale for doing
• 1:07:17
  it, I think is incredibly dark and like just dark.
• 1:07:23
  It makes sense though. Totally checks out.
• 1:07:25
  Turns people into demons, she says.
• 1:07:27
  Right. We've watched this whole movie,
• 1:07:29
  Jackman go from the beginning of the.
• 1:07:31
  Movie nice guy, protect your family.
• 1:07:32
  Protect your family, say your prayers, and we're going to do
• 1:07:35
  this thing to hot and cold torture, beating a man to a
• 1:07:38
  bloody pulp and having no remorse for it.
• 1:07:42
  That's what taking a child does. She is victorious.
• 1:07:45
  Whether she lives or dies or the kid lives or dies, she's won the
• 1:07:48
  game. She has won the game because he
• 1:07:50
  is completely corrupted and that is a powerful message and a dark
• 1:07:54
  one to end the movie on it. I love it.
• 1:07:56
  Speaking of dark, she sticks them in a hole.
• 1:07:58
  That's right. Very dark.
• 1:07:59
  Yes. And finds a whistle.
• 1:08:00
  Yes, put a pin in that. OK, We haven't put pins in
• 1:08:03
  anything. For a while, yeah, pinned
• 1:08:04
  earlier did. I don't think ever on pinned
• 1:08:06
  actually check the pins. And the one smart thing that
• 1:08:10
  Captain has done is he tells Jake, and he doesn't even mean
• 1:08:14
  to be smart, but you have to go visit Holly Jones, let her know,
• 1:08:17
  get her caught up. And here we have the Tell the
• 1:08:21
  Oreo moments, if you will. He sees the maze in Halley's
• 1:08:24
  house on her husband, who left five years ago.
• 1:08:27
  It's all connected now. This to me, is a little bit
• 1:08:32
  easy, wraps up a little bit quick, walks in, shoot each
• 1:08:36
  other. I think it's shot really well,
• 1:08:38
  shot twice. Yeah.
• 1:08:39
  I wasn't sure where Jake got shot, but the next few minutes I
• 1:08:43
  thought was an extra level of adrenaline.
• 1:08:46
  I wasn't expecting this race to the hospital.
• 1:08:49
  They don't have to do this scene, but they play it out.
• 1:08:52
  It's pretty long, too. Yeah.
• 1:08:54
  Like, it takes a while to get that hospital and it shot great.
• 1:08:57
  But his body language, his reaction almost passing out and
• 1:09:02
  accentuated by the fact. That the camera is looking
• 1:09:04
  through the windshield. Yeah.
• 1:09:06
  We are with Jake in such cool ways throughout this movie, so
• 1:09:10
  that the danger and the drama is there.
• 1:09:12
  He's racing through. And I love also that it
• 1:09:15
  dissolves to black when he gets to the hospital because it's
• 1:09:19
  like, we don't need to see anything after that.
• 1:09:21
  Jake arrives, saves the kid, missions accomplished.
• 1:09:24
  Do you not want any sort? Of time to think the kid makes
• 1:09:28
  it or not, no. No, I don't think at this point
• 1:09:31
  it matters to me. Getting to the hospital tells me
• 1:09:34
  everything's going to be. OK, I'm not sure what kind of
• 1:09:36
  drugs these kids have been under.
• 1:09:38
  We don't know the recuperation process.
• 1:09:40
  So great that they survived. Not very chatty though.
• 1:09:43
  They're pretty. Traumatized.
• 1:09:45
  I imagine so and Jakes recovering gun.
• 1:09:48
  He's going to be fine, too. That's important as well.
• 1:09:50
  Yeah, you get your happy. Ending.
• 1:09:51
  Yeah. I mean, in a movie like this, I
• 1:09:54
  want that. Generally speaking, I do.
• 1:09:56
  And I know I'm not alone in that.
• 1:09:58
  We've been through a lot. So I think it's a reward for us
• 1:10:01
  4 to end relatively well. OK, My opinion.
• 1:10:04
  I don't think this ends well at all.
• 1:10:06
  Are you talking about the ambiguous?
• 1:10:08
  No, I mean that too. But I think ultimately everybody
• 1:10:11
  is so traumatized and destroyed that nobody is ever going to be
• 1:10:15
  well again. I do have actually a point to
• 1:10:17
  bring up with that because we have Alex Jones, who's reunited
• 1:10:20
  with the woman that was in this scene long time ago, lost your
• 1:10:25
  kit, 26 year old, never found her, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:10:27
  That kid has been tortured, Yeah.
• 1:10:31
  Not to mention all the other stuff he's been through to why
• 1:10:34
  he's not talking in the 1st place.
• 1:10:36
  And I don't think they do that character justice.
• 1:10:39
  No. At all.
• 1:10:40
  Like I mean. He'll be fine, don't worry
• 1:10:42
  about. Him, I don't think he's going to
• 1:10:43
  be fine as the point, but the fact they're reunited just means
• 1:10:46
  like. Yay.
• 1:10:48
  Yeah, well, like the mom is probably happy, but Alex,
• 1:10:51
  certainly. Isn't once she sees the state of
• 1:10:53
  him, she may not be. This might sound dark, but she's
• 1:10:55
  probably better off without and then that doesn't sound.
• 1:10:58
  Good, sounds like a happy ending though right?
• 1:10:59
  No and Gyllenhaal, he solved another case.
• 1:11:02
  I don't think he's any better off after having what seen what
• 1:11:05
  he's seen. Would be fine.
• 1:11:06
  The kids, same. That relationship between Joy
• 1:11:09
  and Anna and the parents and each other, that's broken,
• 1:11:12
  that's destroyed. Yeah, that's a good point.
• 1:11:14
  So that's and Keller is missing. And at this point, we don't know
• 1:11:17
  what's up, but he's missing, which means Maria Bello and her
• 1:11:20
  family is never going to be the same, she says.
• 1:11:23
  He's never contacted me, and then if he does come up, he's
• 1:11:26
  going to jail for having done what he did to Alex.
• 1:11:28
  So Jacob agrees, regardless of the ambiguity of what happens
• 1:11:31
  next. This is such a, to me, a very
• 1:11:33
  dark ending. It feels really comforting to
• 1:11:36
  me. Now that you mentioned it, it's
• 1:11:39
  not so happy. I mean, it would be worse if the
• 1:11:42
  kids weren't found, but they'll never be the same again.
• 1:11:45
  Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, they're not dead, right?
• 1:11:47
  So that's obviously something in the pro column.
• 1:11:49
  Yeah, but there's a lot of cons. There's a lot of cons happening
• 1:11:51
  and then obviously that is furthered by Gyllenhaal going
• 1:11:56
  back to the house. It's frozen ground now, which
• 1:12:00
  means eventually Jackman would be found because they will
• 1:12:04
  excavate the whole. That's not going to be for
• 1:12:06
  months, so he will. Be dead in that set of
• 1:12:08
  circumstances, yes. So we have Jake standing looking
• 1:12:13
  around and I didn't even hear the.
• 1:12:16
  Whistle. Oh, I heard the.
• 1:12:17
  Whistle. The first time I've been here
• 1:12:18
  for it though. OK.
• 1:12:19
  I married a referee. So there you go.
• 1:12:21
  You're right in that world. Yeah.
• 1:12:23
  I didn't hear it at 1st and then eventually it got a little
• 1:12:25
  louder. Well played.
• 1:12:27
  Where it is faint enough and you hear it a little bit more.
• 1:12:30
  Now, I don't know what you think.
• 1:12:32
  I'll ask you, but I never really had a doubt that he would find
• 1:12:36
  him. Oh, really?
• 1:12:38
  Here's the whistle. You'll figure it out OK.
• 1:12:40
  I think you're absolutely does not, I think.
• 1:12:42
  You'll get closer and closer and closer and he's smart enough to
• 1:12:45
  realize, ohhh, here's a car, maybe could be something
• 1:12:48
  underneath the car and then he just has to lift the wood and
• 1:12:51
  there is it is definitely not like Inception, like, oh, I
• 1:12:53
  don't know. OK, I don't think he does.
• 1:12:56
  Oh, interesting. Even if he figures that part
• 1:12:59
  out, he managed to track it down.
• 1:13:00
  There's no car key. You got to move the car, you got
• 1:13:02
  to do this. I don't think you put all that
• 1:13:03
  together in the time it takes because he says you might get 24
• 1:13:06
  hours if you give yourself a tourniquet. 15 minutes.
• 1:13:09
  You can find them in 15. OK.
• 1:13:11
  Yeah. Well, we'll see.
• 1:13:12
  The keys are probably in the car, like why take them out for
• 1:13:15
  what her purpose is for that car and I just push.
• 1:13:18
  It's probably a neutral. Yeah, don't worry about it.
• 1:13:20
  There you go. There.
• 1:13:21
  Is pull them out. David, does this movie stay on
• 1:13:25
  your shelf? It does until May 5th.
• 1:13:27
  Oh, that's right, because that's when I have to return it to the
• 1:13:29
  library. You know, watch some special
• 1:13:32
  features going in there. I think the library only deals
• 1:13:36
  with DVD's Blu rays do they? OK, good to know.
• 1:13:41
  Get there. We'll get there.
• 1:13:42
  Yeah. I don't think I would
• 1:13:44
  permanently put this on my shelf.
• 1:13:46
  I'm saying that now because it is a mystery.
• 1:13:49
  And now I know the mystery. So I don't think there's
• 1:13:52
  replayability as much in a movie like this because of certain
• 1:13:55
  reveals, Time travel back 20 years.
• 1:13:58
  This is a wonderful rental. You picked this up Friday night?
• 1:14:02
  Yep, nice thriller. Get the popcorn going.
• 1:14:04
  I would even say like this is theatre worthy.
• 1:14:06
  Like I would watch this in a theatre.
• 1:14:08
  Ohf wow. Yeah, I really enjoyed the
• 1:14:11
  movie. I had a good experience with it.
• 1:14:14
  The 2 1/2 hours went by pretty quick.
• 1:14:16
  My wife liked it as well. I hate to say this because it
• 1:14:19
  makes a 16 year old happy, but Jake was amazing.
• 1:14:24
  This is my favorite Jake Gyllenhaal movie that we've
• 1:14:26
  done. Oh wow, we haven't done a lot.
• 1:14:28
  No, but we've done a. Fair amount and I've seen more
• 1:14:30
  that we haven't. And even better than the day
• 1:14:32
  after tomorrow. Yeah, I mean all.
• 1:14:34
  We did do that, yeah. Source code was.
• 1:14:36
  Source code 1. He was good in that.
• 1:14:37
  One, maybe it is just eye twitch, I don't know, but I was
• 1:14:40
  just honing in on this character.
• 1:14:41
  I really connected to him even though I don't really have any
• 1:14:44
  characteristics that are similar to him.
• 1:14:46
  And Jackman was great too, I didn't connect him as much.
• 1:14:48
  I don't like that type of brutality so that was tough to
• 1:14:52
  watch. A bit of links, but I would be
• 1:14:54
  tempted to own it just for Jake's performance.
• 1:14:57
  But I think knowing that I can just pop by a library and pick
• 1:15:00
  it up if I had a hankering for it again, I think it would be
• 1:15:03
  enough for me. I don't need it stationary all
• 1:15:05
  the time. Great.
• 1:15:06
  How about yourself? Would you consider having this
• 1:15:08
  on your? Shelf 100%.
• 1:15:09
  Yeah, I loved it. I had completely forgotten about
• 1:15:13
  it, obviously, and what it really did was affirmed to me
• 1:15:16
  that Denny Villeneuve is a phenomenal filmmaker.
• 1:15:19
  This movie is so good looking, so dark, I thought really good
• 1:15:24
  performances. Everything about it works so
• 1:15:27
  perfectly on its own terms. I would watch this easily again.
• 1:15:31
  I want the special features, wanna do the deep dive, and I
• 1:15:34
  kind of think I want my shelf to have all of Denny Villeneuve's.
• 1:15:38
  At least his English speaking movies have Maelstrom as well on
• 1:15:40
  DVD. But I want everything because I
• 1:15:43
  think this guy is really incredible and he's got
• 1:15:45
  obviously doing 3 that's coming. Up.
• 1:15:47
  I know I saw the preview in the theatre.
• 1:15:49
  That's right. Why don't go Phil?
• 1:15:50
  Because I haven't watched the second one and I don't remember
• 1:15:53
  the first one. Where you go?
• 1:15:54
  Wow, it's still time. Yeah, there is.
• 1:15:56
  And he's going to do the next James Bond movie.
• 1:15:58
  I didn't know they have picked the James Bond yet.
• 1:16:00
  They haven't, but. Just read an article like we're
• 1:16:02
  just. Taking our time here but the
• 1:16:04
  director has been locked in so it'll be done.
• 1:16:06
  Evil nut, which is a first. Well, not only not British, but
• 1:16:10
  Canadian director to do. The 2 1/2 hour Bond movie.
• 1:16:14
  Interesting. We'll.
• 1:16:14
  See, I think the last one didn't we do a 2 1/2.
• 1:16:17
  I felt like Casino Royale might have been it.
• 1:16:18
  Might have been. Yeah, so anyway, I love the
• 1:16:20
  movie. I'll happily watch it anytime.
• 1:16:22
  Great to hear that. Something that even though it's
• 1:16:24
  temporary on my shelf, that will make your shelf 100% whatever it
• 1:16:28
  takes. Phil, what do you have cooking
• 1:16:29
  for us next? Week, just like Jackman, we're
• 1:16:32
  going to go to a little rental property I've got.
• 1:16:36
  OK. And you know, it's, it's, it's a
• 1:16:39
  little apartment and see the hijinks that ensue.
• 1:16:42
  Alright, sounds good. Looking forward to it.
• 1:16:45
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