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04/25/2023 580 Live with Dave Allen - Rich "The Realtor" Kline, Robby Vanater, Burke Allen · The Dave Allen Show

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get into that coming up a little bit later on, but don't want to
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bring it. A good friend Rich the Realtorcline now and au Thora Meeks from
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Meek's realty Thor making his debut. Rich, you're you're an old veteran.
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You've done this one other time before, so thanks for being here many Yeah,
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thanks for having us. We're glad to be here. Couldn't do anything
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about our Pittsburgh Penguins though, we could not make the push into the playoffs.
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I was wrong about that and you know, it just is what it
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is. Next season, we'll be here before you know. Thore Meeks is
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also here from Meeks realle Thor, good boarding, Welcome to the show.
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How are you. I'm great, happy to be here, Thank you for
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being here today. Thank you to your heavenly stars above the both of your
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in real estate and not in media, because it's not a good day to
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be in media yesterday. Thorne understood, not at all. And we'll have
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a little bit more on that a little bit later on. But you guys
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are going to talk about the real estate markets and Rich, as I said,
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i've had you on the show before, Thor, you're a new cover.
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Give us though, Thord, let me start with you. Give us
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a little bit of your background. We know about this guy over here,
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but tell us a little bit about your background. How you get into this
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whole thing. Yeah, sure, so I kind of been around the real
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estate business for a lot of my adult life, have had the opportunity to
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look at it in a few different lenses and continue to progress that and you
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know, learn every day. So everything from um, you know, acquisition
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and investment to development as well as brokerage and property management now, so we
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kind of cover every basis we possibly can and know the market and try to
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keep that thumb on there and how are things in the markets right now?
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I know, rich I touched on a little bit last month that it changes
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on a month to month slash day to day basis. How are things in
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the market right now? You know, we look at it in a few
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different capacities. One, we have to look at it from a commercial perspective,
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So what is the commercial market doing? I like that. I like
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that market. It's very very warm still, so it's um, you know,
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we see a very high volume of interest in real estate in the commercial
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aspect and then residentially Richards want to hit on a little bit, but you
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know, residentially, we it's still a seller's market. So most people don't
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realize that with the interest rates where they are, but it's it's definitely a
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seller's market. Rich, let's talk about the sellers. Um, it seems
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like, you know, when we talk about real estate, we focus so
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much on buyers. But without without sellers, there would be no buyers.
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It's a basic definition of the way the things work. You You folks are
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regularly work with people who want to put their properties on the market talking about
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that. Yeah, for sure, And Thor's absolutely right. It is still
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a sellers market there. You know, we a couple of years ago,
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during the height of the pandemic, the sellers were getting whatever they wanted over
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asking price. It did cool off a little bit toward the midsummer and late
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fall of last year as the rates went up. Um, you know,
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we're still it's still an inventory problem. And I don't you know. The
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rub is is that a lot of the sellers would like to get out of
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you know, take advantage of the sellers market, get their equity out.
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But then where do they go? You know? So you know, currently,
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and I checked before I came on the show this morning, there are
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four hundred and sixty five active listings currently out of a think of eleven counties
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in what areas. That's eleven counties all throughout the ur Canavas Border realtors four
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four, sixty five or sixty five and eleven counties. Yeah, and you
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can see if you look at these drilled down a little bit, you'll see
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probably fifty or so that are high end numbers that have been there for a
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long time. And then they'll see fifty or so that are low end numbers
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they've been there for a long time. So really the actual number is less
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than that. And then you know, so, here's what happened. In
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the last seven days. We had ninety two active listings. Okay, so
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they went new listings in the last seven days in the same eleven counties.
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They're ninety three pending properties in the same timeframe. Wow, we make no
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gain because they're just aren't enough. How homes come into the market. We
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need sellers to move their property. I mean that's amazing to me. I
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mean that you you that it's that it's so gone are the days and I
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know real estate of cyclical guys, but I mean gone are the days when
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when a house or a piece of commercial property or whatever, let's just focus
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on residential for right now, sit there with a sign in front that says
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for sale. I mean, now it's like the old joke. I'm an
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old realtor friend of mine, not Rich, A different friend of mine used
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to say that every time somebody takes their curtains down in Tay's Valley to wash
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them, somebody's calling. To think of it, they're selling their house.
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Yeah, pretty accurate. That's a pretty accurate. Yeah. We're talking to
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Rich che client the realtor cliented author Meeks from Meeks Realty about the real estate
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market in the area. It's fascinating stuff to me. So overall, how
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are the inventories looking? And you mentioned commercial. There's a lot of things
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you know, going on to Putnham County right now, specifically the Charleston too,
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but I want to focus on Putnham County just for a moment because it's
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where you guys are based. Rich and I touched on this last time.
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You know, with new Core coming in, we're seeing all of these people.
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It's almost like the nineteen nineties all over again. That's when Putnham County
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really exploded, with the late eighties to early to mid nineties, a little
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bit of a slowdown a little bit, and now it's it's all busting wide
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open again. In Tay's Valley and Malta Putnam County. Sure it is.
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It truly is, and you couldn't be more correct about that. So we're
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seeing, you know, we need We're going to be fortunate enough to have
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our Putnam County Development Authority conductive study to tell us what kind of housing we
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actually need to be able to solidify the demand, and it's going to be
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a big number. I think where we're going to run into an issue is
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obviously being able to build those and develop those communities and properties and not overprice
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ourselves out in the market. So that's that's going to be one task.
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And then also, you know, having new core coming in, not only
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are they going to be bringing folks that want to live in Putnam County live
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in in the valley, they're also going to be bringing you know, subsidiary
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markets of commercial property that need to be able to function and deliver them product
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to do what they need to do. So I think it's gonna be a
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really nice thing that happens all throughout the valley and we'll see it here very
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are ready to go for you. I've got about five or six minutes
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left. If you have any questions or comments for them, you're welcome to
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ask. I understand and Rich you can certainly explain this better than I can.
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That the government change their their tiers or for loans, What exactly does
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that mean and what are those changes? Well, I'm definitely not the expert
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that you want to talk to your local lender. I can give you a
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couple of referrals a friend of ours, Eric Smith, who's one of our
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chamber members, who really can go into detail about that. But you know,
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the gist of it is that the government added a tier to the top
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end for it used to be from seven from a credit score seven forty or
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more got the same tier pricing. So there is a cost that it's associated
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with getting a loan, and that cost for those people who are seven forty
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or higher. Was that number whatever, that one percent of whatever it is,
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And then now they've added it's a seven sixty so or seven eighty rather
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so seven eighty or higher gets that cost. But then they also change the
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bottom and if I get this wrong, Thor knows this. As we've discussed
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this in the office yesterday. They changed the bottom with they're actually giving those
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folks with you know, not as strong as a credit score. They're giving
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them an actual break and a credit on that loan. So it's almost can
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be construed as a as a incentive to have a lower credit score. That's
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the way that I look at it. You know, hey, look,
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you're you're almost getting rewarded to have less of our credit score, um and
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taking a hit on the top end. So so why the change? I
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mean, explain, explain, to explain to the total novices like I am,
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exactly what makes these changes happen. That's where I think you need to
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call somebody other than me. That's that pig right. We had, you
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know, Eric Smith and the Gateway team came to our board office last week
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and did an education. We call those lunch and learns at the board.
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They did a great job. That was one of the questions for the whole
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Gateway team, like why the change? They simply just don't know. And
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I'm sure there are probably people out there that would have their ideas about it.
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You're we just don't know. I certainly don't know. We are talking
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looking for people who are into just buying properties for investment purposes, um,
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not necessarily to live there or to conduct business themselves. Maybe they're looking to
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buy properties to to to rent out or delease. How's that looking right now?
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It's it's an extremely tight tight market. UM. So we were seeing
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things. We go off of a cap rate system in which a capitalization rate
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is how we kind of factor things in. And most times the best way
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to you know, think of that is if your cap rates eight and the
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interest rate is seven or seven and a half, then you're going to make
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a half a point in return. So um, we are seeing very tight
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margins. So if you don't have cash to put in, the lending system
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is not benefiting you from an investment standpoint, so um, it's it's it's
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still always a good market, um to a safe market to put your money
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into, but it is lesser of a you know, bonus. And let's
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see availability of those properties. Somebody's sides. I got some extra cash,
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I want to look into this. And in the counties, you guys represent
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what's the availability to those properties. If we're looking at the most sought after
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market right now, which would be multi family property, so apartment buildings,
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department complexes, four units are more, it's little to none out there,
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so we're having to go off market and try to find these deals. If
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we have an investor that wants to spend a you know, a couple of
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million bucks, was go start door knocking and send in letters and usually be
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able to come up with those deals. But on the MLS, we're not
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seeing hardly any Yeah, very very few, but there is, and I
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would think they're being it. Well, there's been an increase of interest from
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outside investors who are contacting us weekly. We could probably three or four a
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week that will contact us looking to do investments. For that we really enjoy
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that part of the business. Yeah, and I'll get make sure we get
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your contact information out there before you go. I got a text for you
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guys. Right, it's time to go to work now. Text from the
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Fruit Pharmacy text on says Dave, please ask your guests what are the comparative
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tax and fees cost of Kanawa County versus surrounding counties? That is to say,
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does it cost more to do business in Kanalla County than in other area
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counties. That's a great question, and it really depends on what part of
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Canal County that you may be in. If you're am the municipality or in
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a higher tax range area. Putnam County is known for, you know,
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higher real estate taxes than most areas. But um you know, all in
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all depends on what kind of business you want to be in if you're if
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you want to um go which direction that that that may be. So it's
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a good question. Text. This will be our final text. What would
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be the actual dollar amount of the credit for a lower credit score bar or
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versus the cost for a higher credit score bar or. And again, it's
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probably not something that you gas can necessarily get into, but is it something
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you can sort of kind of sort of kind of direct you to a lender
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who could sort that out because all the loans are different. Everyone's DT either
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debt income ratio is different to all of those things, so you would have
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to talk to your local lender, and we're happy to provide those those referrals.
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We guys, anything else you want to add to anything? Uh,
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thanks for having us. Thanks all right, hold on, hold on a
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second. Um, okay, little political stuff, well we'll get into that
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a little bit later on. Go vote, that's just just vote vote,
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all right, guys. I appreciate both of you for be here. Give
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us your contact information again, Rich three or four nine three two seven four
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eight eight. It's Rich Klein sixty six at gmail dot com. All right,
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thor Thor at meeks dot us is my email address, and then you
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can reach me at three zero four five five zero twenty two fifty one.
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That is my direct line on my cell phone, so please give me a
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call. All right, final texture, it's a store learned for the best
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is mom and Dad absolutely regret I had the hard the School of the Meek's
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Don Lemontucker Carlson and more are another one went down there from NBC Universal yesterday.
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We're talking about that with Burke Allan from aland Media Strategies. No relation
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coming up a little bit later on in the show. Plus, the President
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has announced that he will indeed be running for reelection. Everybody knew that that
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was coming, and the announcement hit early this morning, prerecorded of course,
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and we're going to talk about that a little bit later on. The Governor
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Jim Justice is expected to announce Thursday that he will be running for US Senate.
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We'll try to touch on that as well. Last week on the show,
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I had on Hurricane Mayor Scott Edward just talking about the growth of the
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trails of Puttnham County. These trails, no matter what time they are,
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are really gaining popularity. We want to talk a little bit about it this
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morning. The Rivers to Ridges Hareton Trail System. Okay, we lost did
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we lose Robbie? All right? We are trying to get ahold of Robbie
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again. Apparently we had Robbie unhold and Robbie went away. So let me
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see if we have Ryan is efforting to get Robbie back on the phone with
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us. Robbie of Anader is from is from the Rivers to Ridges Heritage Show,
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and he is with us right now. Robbie, good morning, How
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are you sir? Hello Robbie, Robbie are you there? Yes? There,
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I am all right. Sorry we lost her there for a minute.
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Man, Yeah, I'm not too sure we got us back there though.
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All right. Today I'm doing I'm doing fine. Thank you for being here.
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Welcome to the show. First, explain what exactly is this Rivers to
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Ridges Trail. What the whole thing about well, Rivers to Ridges is.
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It's a nonprofit in the area that's nearly twenty years old now, and we
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work to preserve and promote the cultural and historical areas along the our byway between
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Nitro endpoint Pleasant. We try to focus on recreational assets along the byway,
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like trails and different parts and things like that. We just find that it's
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important to help our smaller communities and towns thrive to remind and inform people of
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the lesser known hidden gym in the area. And this really is Robbie a
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huge partnership among several entities that are involved in this. Definitely, Yes,
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we partner with Mason County CVB. We've got Plutton County CVB as well as
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the Nitrous CVB, and then of course all the towns in between the areas
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two. We worked really tightly with all of those towns as well. Now
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you've got your first big kickoff event. I guess it is going on this
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weekend. Talk about that, Yes, sir, we have our annual bike
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series. This is our second year of the series. We offer four opportunities
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for both road and mountain bikers to experience something unique along the byway. Really,
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our first race is this Saturday. It's at ride our Lake. Race
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starts at ten am. It's a five k mountain bike rod. We will
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have ap timing here for this race as well as well as our third race
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that's a really unique one too, is going to be at Gripp's Farm.
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But yeah, this weekend you can registra online at Riverster Ridges dot com.
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I'm at our registration table one there. I would try to make it really
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easy this year. We've got QR codes all around town two so but but
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yeah, the first series starts this weekend Saturday morning, ten am right here
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at Rodnour And this is Robbie just the first of a series of these big
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events of to be going to be coming up actually through September, and I've
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got to complete schedule posted on Dave alland Radio and Facebook and also at Dave
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a seventy on Twitter. This is just the first of many. Yeah,
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we've got three more after this weekend. We have a hundred k and it's
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a road course. It's a pretty long one there. It goes from point
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Pleasant all the way to the bridge and Windsfield and back. And that one's
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in June. And for anybody that's not quite ready for the full hundred k,
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now that would be me, Robbie, that would be me, But
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go ahead, that's me too on that one. But you can also do
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a fifty k distance or a twenty five k distance on that race as well.
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You can you can take it, take it however long you want to
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there. But the halfway polling, that one's kind of cool because this winds
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on water sports to day as well, so you'll be able to kind of
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take that. You can either do the half half race of the fifty k
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and then stop there if you want to, or you can hang out for
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a bit and head back over to Point Pleasant and that they're gonna have food
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trucks set up that afternoon as well for all the racers to when they get
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back into town. And then in August, our most unique, I say,
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our most unique race of the series is Grit's Farm in Buffalo, and
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this is it's the only race that Grit's hosts, so it's truly unique opportunity
22:33
to ride somewhere that the public really isn't generally able to ride. And that's
22:40
the five k dirt and gravel ride. And then the last one is a
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there, Robbie. Uh. The interesting thing what I know about this is
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is don't matter what the age or the skill level, everybody can take part
23:26
in these things exactly. Yeah, And that's we try to make it as
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as family oriented as possible. That way, the trails can be done by
23:34
any any age range. And we even offer a free strider race for all
23:40
those young uns that are on their strider bikes and things like that. If
23:44
we have people set up for that, we we set a course up real
23:45
quick and it's a it's a nice fun time for the kids too. But
23:49
and our goal really with it is I mean, we keep our registration fees
23:53
low. Our goal is really just to keep people move or get people moving
23:57
and enjoy riding on our lesser known terrain in the area really because I mean
24:03
this weekend sees only twenty five dollars per person, so it's we try to
24:07
make it available for all in that sense. And you know, Robbie,
24:11
what really interests me about the entire thing it all It always boils down to
24:15
money to money or food, but it's the economic impact to the area.
24:21
And I know you guys are relatively new into this, but the economic impact
24:25
for Putnam County, the surrounding counties you know, Canaw into the Mason County
24:30
that you mentioned. Economic impact from this has got to be already big and
24:33
it's just going to get bigger. Oh yeah, yes, I mean we
24:37
try to each year. We're trying to increase, of course the size of
24:41
the races, but also what we bring along with the races. Like with
24:45
Point Pleasant, I thought it was kind of neat. They're kind of doing
24:47
a food truck a small food truck festival on that day with our five k
24:51
So it's just a whole other layer of business on top of it. Two
24:53
that's been able to get other people involved. So it's been really nice to
24:56
be able to see that kind of increase along the way. And I think
25:00
it's simply amazing what we are seeing, Robbie, with tourism here in West
25:03
Virginia. You know, not just in the area we're talking about here in
25:06
the in the valley, but all over the state. People are coming here
25:11
and they are spending money when they come here, which is what it's all
25:15
about. As you well know, yes there it is. All right,
25:18
So well again recap it what you got going on and where can people learn
25:22
more? Well, we've got our our four race, our four series bike
25:26
race coming up and this weekend it starts at Riding Our Lake at ten am.
25:33
We'll be set up registrations. She'll probably be set up around eight thirty
25:34
for those early birds. But um, like I said, we've got four
25:38
bike races. Registrations are low on all of them. You can find out
25:41
all the details on all the races at rivers to Ridges dot com and you
25:45
can click on the race and ride series registration tab. All right, Robbie,
25:51
I appreciate you being here. We'll talk again to man. Thanks a
25:52
lot Thank you, Dave. You have a good day you as well.
25:55
Robbie Vanader again from the Rivers to Ridges Heritage Trail, And again I'm gonna
26:00
lie to you. I'm not gonna say I'm gonna take part in these things,
26:03
but i am because I'm a friend, I'm a fan of the great
26:04
Indoors. But I will say this, I think it's phenomenal that we have
26:08
things like this that are going on, not only this event, but all
26:11
these in the valley because it's dollars, man, it's money that come here,
26:15
and the bigger these things get, the more economic impact that you have
26:19
in the area. Now again the schedule for what Robbie talked to us posted
26:22
on Dave Allen Radio on Facebook. Robbie again is with the Rivers to Ridges
26:29
Heritage Trail. First, bigger, the event of the season, if I
26:30
can get it out here, is a Saturday right now are Lake in Nitro.
26:34
That is a five k timed mountain bike race. All a big collaborative
26:38
effort between a lot of different people. And I'm afraid I'm gonna leave somebody
26:41
out here, but the Putnam County Convention, the Visitors Bureau, the Nitro
26:45
Convention, and Visitors Bureau, the folks in Mason County, and so on
26:48
and so forth. They all come together to make this happen. Tex says,
26:53
I'm gonna get to Don Lemon and Tucker Carlson here. We would serily
26:56
Tech says, I hear Don Levin and Tucker Cross are going to join up
27:00
to have a point counterpoint show. I said it yesterday on social media.
27:03
I think it's a super Bowl commercial waiting to have him. I really do
27:07
with the two of them. So I'm going to get into that covering up
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here a little bit later on What a Day in Media yesterday, I'm Ryan.
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I'm just happy I'm here. I'm here. I walked in. Ryan
27:17
is here, so that's good. But we still got another twenty five minutes
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or so left in the show. What a Day It was yesterday? With
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Tucker Carlson the top rank nighttime cable television personality, it's not even close to
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Now is his former network, Sean Hannity, it's not even close how popular
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Tucker Carlson was, and didn't take Don Lemon, who was the star in
27:44
the Darling of CNN for so many years, they eventually moved him down to
27:47
mornings. He was relieved yesterday, and then you have a Jeff Shell from
27:51
NBC Universal who also got to boot yesterday too. Burke Allen is a guy
27:55
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three or four nine three five five zero zero awade. What a day in
31:22
the media Yesterday we learned that Tucker Carlson, highest rated nighttime host on cable
31:26
television, and Fox News parted ways. Don Lemon. As I mentioned before
31:30
once, the darling of CNN, who had been moved to mornings is out
31:34
and perhaps lost in all that was NBC Universal CEO Jeff Shell. He is
31:40
out too. A lot to unpack here. I want to bring in Burke
31:42
Allen of outand Media Strategies now at edition to serving as my guiding like so
31:48
to speak. And the guy who got me in this radio business. He
31:49
also does a variety of other things as far as managing different folks in the
31:55
worlds of media and music and entertainment, so on and so forth. And
31:59
he's with us, right, Yeah, he's the CEO of out on Media
32:00
Strategies. So how's that for an intro? Burke Listen, I've been asked
32:07
by management to inform you that your services at five eighty five are no longer.
32:13
Nice. Nice, thank you very much. Well, you know what,
32:15
I'm still in charge of the microphone now. Actually Ryan's in charge of
32:19
the microphone. I'm not in charge of the microphone. So all right.
32:22
So I have been in this game for thirty five years, You, sir,
32:27
have been in just a couple two three years longer than I have.
32:30
Have you ever seen a day like yesterday in the world of media, Burke?
32:35
So it took a lot of people by surprise. Let's go on,
32:38
Don Levin, who have been on been nice for a minute, and of
32:42
course seen in ratings have just been in the toilet for years. They're hard
32:45
to believe that, you know, the first ever twenty four seven news network
32:50
is way behind not only Fox, but the MSNBC and Don Levin had made
32:55
some pretty serious career errors in the last six months, and so that one
33:02
less surprising Tucker Carlson, though, you know, Fox averages three million viewers
33:07
and he's their top rated talent. Having said that, Dave, you know,
33:13
none of these folks are bigger than their platform, and that includes Tucker
33:19
Carlson. You look back at Boxing. They let Bill the Riley and they
33:22
were just fine, and they let Glynnbeck go and they were just they're you
33:28
know, they're going to weather this storm and it's going to be okay.
33:30
Los Angeles Times reported this morning that this decision came from the top from ninety
33:35
two year old Rupert Murdoch himself, and he sent the marching orders to his
33:39
son Lachlan, who runs a company now, and Box president Susanne Scott.
33:45
The question will be where Tucker Carlson goes next, and will the advertising follow.
33:52
People that are not in the media don't realize that it's really all about
33:55
advertisers. They fight hard to get more viewers and radio more listeners to increase
34:00
their advertising rates. So Kenneth Tucker Carlson, for example, the camp to
34:06
Newsmax and bring a lot of that advertising with him. You know, we
34:08
don't know. I do know that that RT Russian Television, who is also
34:14
there in Washington, DC, you know, love with Tucker Ands already extended
34:17
an offer and I'm not sure that he's going to sign on that player.
34:23
I would think not. And for those who don't follow the stuff that closely,
34:28
let me put it again, let me give you a sports analogy.
34:30
Rarely what a sports team on top of their game let their top player go.
34:37
And that's basically what happened. And you know, and I was reading
34:40
all of this on social media yesterday, barcause I'm sure you are as well,
34:43
and people were, you know, saying, well, you know,
34:45
he left on his own, and who knows what actually happened. As you
34:49
said, the word came down from from Rupert Marnock himself. But on Friday
34:52
Night Show, and I'll admit I'm not a regular view of Tucker Carlson,
34:55
but on Friday Night Show, he closed the show eating pizza. I don't
35:00
know what that was all about, but he closed the show by saying,
35:01
we'll see you Monday. That doesn't sound like somebody who thinks that they're not
35:07
coming back on Monday. Would you agree with that? Absolutely? And same
35:12
for Don Lemon. Don Lemon found out from his agent, so no one
35:15
at CNN even had the decency to call and tell them in person. And
35:20
let me just say this a little let me interrupt you here just one second.
35:22
Now, CNN is out with the statement that said that they that they
35:24
did extend an opportunity for what it's worth, and they may not be telling
35:28
the truth. They extended an opportunity for Don Lemon and his agents set down
35:30
and they decline that's that's their story true or not. I don't know.
35:34
That's right. Yeah, that's right. And of course, you know,
35:37
Lemon may have thought, okay, there's no suspension coming, or I'm going
35:39
to get a slap on the wrist. You know, there are egos that
35:43
play with all of these guys. And I also think another point to make
35:47
about folks who don't follow the media closely is these there's an awful lot of
35:52
kabuki theater that goes on with these guys. They're not newscasters, no,
35:55
their opinion host yes, thank you. And that gets I guess lost on
36:00
an awful lot of folks. Uh. And do they believe, you know,
36:04
what they put on the air. Maybe, and maybe there's a little
36:07
bit of theatrics that that happens that goes along with it. You know,
36:10
living in Washington, d C. I'm a West Virginia boy in exile who's
36:15
stuck up there in the Capitol for a long time. You know, Tucker
36:19
Carlson lived in Georgetown next door to his best friend for years. His best
36:23
friend was Hunter Bike, and it's been well documented that, you know,
36:29
those guys, their families took vacations together and for many years. Tucker Carlson
36:34
said, oh, you know, he's not a bad guy. He's he's
36:35
got a substance abuse problem and there but god go I so, you know,
36:39
behind the scenes, it's a whole lot like the old days when Ronald
36:43
Reagan and Tip O'Neill would argue all day on the hill and then go out
36:45
and knock one back right after work. Exactly right. And we're talking to
36:50
Burke Allen of Allen Media strategies on this Black Monday. In the world of
36:53
media, you have to and Burke, I think and I appreciate you bringing
36:57
up that point about that is because I think what happens and this the Dominion
37:02
trial showed this that And again I'm not I'm not just pilot on Tucker Carlson
37:08
here, but it showed that Tucker Carlson didn't believe a lot of the crap
37:14
that he was putting on the air because it said it, you know,
37:16
it said it in the emails, it was said in the text messages.
37:20
He didn't actually believe the election was stolen. But but but but that's what
37:24
people expected him to say. Go ahead. Well, you know, one
37:28
of the things that that we're always taught in journalism one O one is to
37:32
try to make every story local. And I will tell you as somebody who
37:37
travels all over the country, all over the world, West Virginia is very,
37:40
very fortunate that they have media outlets and media personalities who are for the
37:46
most part, very even handed. You know, Hobby Kirchwell, who works
37:50
for your company, is one of the absolute best in the country. He
37:53
makes no you know, qualms about being conservative, as do you and yet
37:59
you let the side don't have their say, and you invite people with differing
38:05
opinions onto the program. What's happened with these big national shows is that you
38:09
know, they're preaching the choir and the folks that drink the kool aid.
38:13
And you know, there was no question if you watch Don Lemon for more
38:16
than ten seconds, that he was waight on the left, and if you
38:20
watch Tucker Carlson, I mean it was over the top on the other side.
38:23
And so you know, West Virginians by and large are very fortunate to
38:28
have people like Tim here at Channel three and Amanda Baron at Channel thirteen.
38:32
And not just because I'm on the phone with you, Dave Allen and w
38:36
CHS. There's a reason why w CHS has one hundred year heritage because you
38:39
give all sides an opportunity to speak. It's just not that way in cable
38:44
news anymore, and I think it's made the country worse. Frankly, well,
38:46
speaking of Don Lemon, I mean people that are close to him are
38:50
saying that even what he said on the air was not what he actually believed.
38:53
He tended to be more conservative, but he was just playing a role.
38:57
With Don Lemon another one, and what was plenty of baggage. You
39:01
know, can has come out about him when his um some comments were seeing
39:07
as anti woman, and we've all seen the clip when he was talking with
39:10
two of his female counterparts and he referred to presidential Candida Nicki Haley us as
39:17
being not in her prime, which is something that's not going to go over
39:22
very well. They say. It was just a number of things that led
39:24
up to his dismissal, and mister Shell from NBC Universal anytime that would be
39:30
front page news that they had of, you know, one of the most
39:31
powerful media conglomerates in America, NBC universals out, he's out and alleged,
39:37
you know, the sexual improprieties with him, so he's out too. It
39:40
all happened yesterday. It was a big day, and you know, you
39:45
could read the tea leaves somewhat. There was a story about Tucker Carlson and
39:50
a producer of the show, a young lady named Babbie Grossberg, who followed
39:54
the suit against him and some of his colleagues for bullying in a hostile workplace
40:00
environment and being anti Semitic. So that was all out there. The other
40:04
way Leaves is there have been a ton of layoffs of lower level people in
40:09
the media for the last six months as advertising revenues have fallen across all these
40:15
platforms, from Yahoo News all the way on up and certainly even though Dominion
40:22
says they had nothing to do with Tucker Crawls and going away the fact that
40:24
they made almost a billion with a feat dollars in that settlement, you know,
40:30
you gotta if you're the being counters at Fox News, you gotta look
40:34
at that big old salary of Tucker Crawlson and saying, well, maybe you
40:37
gotta think about cutting the air. We're gonna be okay without him. Yeah,
40:39
we'll see about that. Burke, Allen is with us a couple minutes
40:42
less, and I get actually, you have a couple of texts of people
40:45
texted. I'm gonna let you answer a couple texts here in moment. Cha,
40:46
let me just do a little editorial speaking on my party here and again,
40:51
you're the expert on the stuff. But it seems to me that at
40:53
one time Americans turned all the news Burke to get the news six s thirty
40:59
at night or the local news or newspaper whatever was last ten to fifteen,
41:02
maybe twenty to twenty five years or so, with the rise of the Internet
41:07
and social media. Of course, it seems to me that people Maybe this
41:10
is a questions and comments I should be making for psychologists to media hacks here,
41:16
but it seems to me that people now go out and seek the news
41:21
that fits their particular belief system, be it Fox News or Newsmax or info
41:25
Wars, or on the complete other side with CNN or MSNBC or whatever the
41:30
problem becomes and against stop me if you disagree that they turn to people like
41:35
Tucker Carlson or Don Lemon or Rachel Maddow or Hannity or whomever and think that's
41:40
the news, and it's not. It's someone's opinion of the news, you
41:46
know. And I certainly don't put my little talk show on the level of
41:51
a CNN or Fox News. And I'm the first to admit I'm not a
41:52
journalist, you know. I'm an entertainer, not a good one, but
41:55
I try to be Jeff Jenkins, Chris Lawrence, carry who to SA or
42:00
the other talented TV people in the market or else where, those are journalists,
42:04
you know. God rest is Soul Rush Limbaugh wasn't a journalist. Rush
42:07
would be the first to tell you that. But somehow the Tucker Carlson and
42:12
the Don Lemons and the others of the world got it in their head,
42:15
or maybe that their viewers did, that they were bona fide newspeople reporting facts.
42:20
And in the case of those two, we found out that certainly that
42:22
they were not. And it's all well and good, but the problem is
42:29
is that many Americans today, Burt can't tell the difference. And I didn't
42:32
mean to go off on a rant there, but you kind of get what
42:35
I'm saying on that is they're taking this stuff that they say as the gospel
42:38
and as news, and as the dominion posts or as the dominion trial showed,
42:45
it's it's not even what they believe. Look, if I could waive
42:50
my magic Alan media strategies, one, I would have, you know,
42:53
a graphic on all of those opinion shows that say, this is an opinion
42:59
show that is not a factual news base, because there is a certain segment
43:05
of Americans that they get those lines blurred between the opinion host on in primetime
43:08
and the evening and straight journalism, and then the straight journalists, you know,
43:14
all get lumped in there together. But I'll take a point further than
43:19
yours. Sure there are people that blur those lines, but in terms of
43:22
social media, the algorithms in social media are so refined and so tightly targeted
43:30
that everyone's social media feed targets that person individual likes and taste. A good
43:37
friend Jennifer and I was working with Jennifer yesterday and she had funny dog videos
43:42
coming up on her social media feeds all day yesterday. I have no funny
43:45
dog videos that ever come up on my social stuff right Mine is completely different.
43:50
It has left of seventies classic rock stuff that comes up on my social
43:53
media feeds. So you know, they take a little bit of what you're
43:57
really into and they expound upon that. So if you're really into far left
44:02
leaning, for a super progressive stuff on your social feed, you're going to
44:06
be fed that. And if it's stuff on the other side, whereas it's
44:08
far right conservative, that's all you're going to get. And pretty soon you're
44:12
swimming in your own fish bowl twenty four to seven. And sometimes that fish
44:17
bowl becomes accessible, like, hey, candidate Burke, I gotta let you
44:21
go. But I did want to get because specifically, someone wants me to
44:23
ask a question of you. So I'm going to read this text. It
44:27
says, ask Burke Allen, they called you by name. If Fox News
44:30
breached journalistic ethics with the lies about the dominion voting systems and smartomatic, your
44:37
opinion, well, listen, I don't think we have to give my opinion.
44:40
We can defer to that settlement. And look at the fact that they
44:45
were willing to step up and pay almost again a billion with a bee of
44:51
billion dollars, seven hundred and eighty seven million dollars in order to not have
44:55
to go to court. They made very well. I one, in court,
44:58
defamation cases are really hard to prove. But they would have had to
45:02
be dragged through the mud day after day, week after week, and there
45:07
would be you know, this, this loss of value to that property.
45:10
If they had to parade Sean Hannity up there and Tucker Carlson and some of
45:14
their other hosts and just day after day, uh, you know, in
45:17
the public eye, be drug through the mud, that would absolutely take an
45:22
him, you know, a real impact on their advertising. And so they
45:25
decided to pay an awful lot of money, even by Fox News Corporation standards.
45:30
So I think to answer your texture's question, you know, you just
45:34
look at that settlement and that gives you the answer. All right, Burke,
45:37
we gotta leave it there. I appreciate it, man, thanks a
45:38
lot, my pleasure. Thank you, Dave. Keep it up, Burke,
45:42
Allen and Allen Media Strategy. A couple of quick texts before the break.
45:44
Uh. Fox News didn't save money by firing Tucker mcneer Swanson Carlson.
45:49
They have to pay out his contract and we'll lose advertising revenue. According to
45:53
a sexture, Dear Dave, only the out of touch and brain Dad.
46:00
Well, miss Tucker. He made them feel cool, you know, because
46:01
he kind of used to be somebody. Goodbye, Tucker, don't let the
46:06
door hit you, says a text gression. Fox did not let Glenn Beck
46:10
go just like CNN Headline News let him go. He left both networks.
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He left Fox to start to blaze network Fox matter, according to a texture.
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Carlson says a text says what he did to protect the bottom line?
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O An and Newsmax were siphoning viewers and taking money away from Fox. Carlson
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and the rest of them, like Kennedy said, what they had to keep
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viewers and to keep stock prices up for your Fox viewers. How does it
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feel to be manipulated for stock prices? It's a Republican philosophy in real life
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practice. Text says I like Bill O'Reilly, but I never connected with Tucker
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Carlson. And final text says all of us normal Republicans also don't believe the
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he will be running for US Senate, hoping to one seat Joe Mansion.
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I am told, and take it for what it's worth, but I'm told
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there is about an eighty five percent chance that former President Donald Trump will be
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there for the announcement of the Greenbrier on Thursday. Oh boy. In the
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meantime, Brad mcahenny is a story post at wv metronews dot com where Congressman
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Alex Mooney refers to Governor Justice as a rhino as an Republican in name OLDI
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now, Mooney goes on to say he has a better chance than people think
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to knock off Justice in a primary battle. Quote He's a rhino. I'm
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the only conservative in this race. In quote now, Mooney says he hopes
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to get an endorsement from Donald Trump. That was yesterday, although with the
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rumor at least going to around that Trump will be at the Greenbrier rumor Thursday
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to endorse Trump or Justice rather, that may not happen. The best thing
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that Mooney can hope for is the Trump will stay out of the race.
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In my opinion, and say what you will about Mooney, Hobby set it
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yesterday. He's a winner. He wins, he wins big. But I
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will say, as someone who's been around Republican politics in the area for almost
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ten years, I've seen Alex Mooney once exactly one time in a ten year
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frame, and that was at a town hall meeting in Putnam County that was
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by invitation only. So I think there might just be a little money spend
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on that race, just a little. I can tell you that's been in
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the broadcasting business. We're loving to match him. Let it ragin with cash.
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State Senator Mike Stewart has a campaign announcement set for next Tuesday at five
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at the Voters Registration Building in Charleston. Mike sort of course, the first
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term state senator, former Trump campaign chair, and former state Party chair.
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He is expected to announce what his plans are. Most people think it's going
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to be for attorney General. Also speculation and just speculation at this point.
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Ryan Weld has also announced he is running two tex says Dave, we need
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more Walter Cronkites today. Texas says Dave won a day for rather One big
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reason most of us cannot stand the host on mainstream media now is because they
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dismiss anything that goes against their prepared talking points by calling it misinformation, disinformation,
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or conspiracy theories. People are tired of it, and they're really tired
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of them. Governor Jim Justice as a textra has a higher approval rating among
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Western Dua Democrats than the second least popular Senator Joe Mansion. Justice fifty two
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and Mansion thirty eight percent. The entire Green New Deal now being shoved down
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all of our throats false solely on mansioned for caving to Schumer and Biden.
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Texas to the textures. You don't believe elections aren't rigor stolda you never live
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or spent time in southern West Virginia. Facts. Well, I did,
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and they were, but I don't think they're as much now, if at
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all now. Just my opinion, Lemon is not a Carlson's ballpark. I
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like Carlson. He would any issue head on. Disagree with his time slot,
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hard to displace. Mooney lost big and Maryland says a Texter, All
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right, didn't get to all the text I apologize for that. I'll try
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to do better tomorrow. Just a lot to cram in coming up on the
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show. Tomorrow, we're gonna talking about the foster care program in West Virginia
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and the crisis there and some things that some people are hoping to do to
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make it a little bit better and metroduced State White correspondent Brad Michaelhenny. Unless
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he's can too, we'll be on the show tomorrow. Hoppy coming up.
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I will see you tomorrow. From my producer, Ryan Nichols and all our
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guests, thank you so much. We'll see you tomorrow. Till then,
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