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Ep. 240 - Can a Christian Ever Sue Someone? · The Living Waters Podcast

• 1:04
  Speaker 1: And I think oftentimes a big problem with us as believers is we just rush to decisions because we just want what we want and we don't pause to say no, I really and that's really the true test mark you hit it.
• 1:16
  Speaker 1: Do we really say I want to hear everyone's counsel, even counsel that I don't really prefer because I want to settle on truth?
• 1:25
  Speaker 1: That's good, that's huge, and if we get to a place as Christians where we truly begin doing that, it'll change our lives.
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: That's a true godly heart, a heart of selflessness that says Lord, I really want your will and, most importantly, I want to magnify love and I want to adorn the gospel and not disparage it in any way.
• 1:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, love bears all things.
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: You can get through that with God's help.
• 1:50
  Speaker 3: Welcome to the which one thing and one thing only.
• 1:53
  Speaker 3: Would you rather have game where we share which one thing and one thing only.
• 1:58
  Speaker 3: We would rather have a helicopter.
• 2:02
  Speaker 1: That's hurting my brain.
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: I know it hurts mine constantly.
• 2:06
  Speaker 1: All right, headache, stomach ache or toothache?
• 2:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, easy, yes, headache Really.
• 2:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, I think so, mark.
• 2:17
  Speaker 1: Headache, stomach ache, toothache.
• 2:21
  Speaker 4: I think a toothache.
• 2:22
  Speaker 4: No, you've never had a toothache, have you?
• 2:24
  Speaker 4: I have None of these teeth are real.
• 2:29
  Speaker 5: Oh, that's good.
• 2:30
  Speaker 5: I think I'm going to go with a headache they normally don't, although I had one yesterday and I never get headaches and it was brutal yeah.
• 2:39
  Speaker 4: Guys the name that claim that people are going to go wild.
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: I rebuke that.
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have had so many headaches over the course of my lifetime.
• 2:47
  Speaker 4: I would just sit right next to three of them.
• 2:49
  Speaker 4: See great minds think alike Great brains.
• 2:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and you could do some ibuprofen and deal with it, Stand on your head.
• 2:57
  Speaker 1: Or, if you're spiritual prey, do you guys ever get convicted, seriously, like you have a headache and you're like you're popping pills but you never even prayed?
• 3:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 3:08
  Speaker 2: Does anybody have any Tylenol?
• 3:09
  Speaker 2: I have a headache.
• 3:09
  Speaker 2: Have you prayed?
• 3:10
  Speaker 3: yet brother, yeah, brother Brother.
• 3:13
  Speaker 1: We need to resurrect the brother.
• 3:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I would go with headache, all right.
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: Insomnia, daytime sleepiness or anxiety Insomnia, daytime sleepiness all day, what yeah?
• 3:28
  Speaker 5: but if you sleep, during the day.
• 3:30
  Speaker 4: You're not going to sleep at night.
• 3:31
  Speaker 4: That's a problem.
• 3:31
  Speaker 1: That's raised the worst nightmare daytime sleepiness.
• 3:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you stay awake at night and just do some editing.
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: Ray, you don't eat a bunch of stuff anymore, so that you don't get daytime sleepiness.
• 3:41
  Speaker 4: No, no, I really don't like daytime sleepiness.
• 3:44
  Speaker 4: It really is annoying, because if I sleep during the day, I'm not going to sleep at night.
• 3:47
  Speaker 4: If you have a stay awake all day and you're tired, you sleep well, so you take insomnia or anxiety, then I take insomnia.
• 3:53
  Speaker 1: Never take insomnia.
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: Are you crazy?
• 3:55
  Speaker 1: It makes me feel anxious.
• 3:57
  Speaker 4: A good drink of warm milk makes me sleep well.
• 4:00
  Speaker 4: I've been doing that lately.
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: Seriously, I thought that was an old wives' tale.
• 4:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah well, old wives' tales sometimes Unless you're lactose.
• 4:07
  Speaker 4: They're tales' wags sometimes.
• 4:08
  Speaker 1: Unless you're lactose, yeah, you'll be a not good advice.
• 4:11
  Speaker 1: If you're lactose, no.
• 4:13
  Speaker 4: I have full cream milk now and I don't care.
• 4:15
  Speaker 1: There is something, though Bring on the kidney stones.
• 4:19
  Speaker 1: Oh no kidney stones.
• 4:21
  Speaker 1: Do you like a kidney stone?
• 4:22
  Speaker 1: Ray, I just have one, thanks.
• 4:24
  Speaker 1: Seriously, atheists don't pray, but if they ever did pray, they should pray.
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: Ray gets kidney stones.
• 4:32
  Speaker 4: How could you send that thought?
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: out there, it's all unite for Ray to get kidney stones.
• 4:35
  Speaker 1: Trillions of atheists are going to pray.
• 4:39
  Speaker 5: I will say one of the benefits of not being able to fall asleep.
• 4:42
  Speaker 5: I have seasons where I have a hard time falling asleep at night.
• 4:44
  Speaker 5: One of the benefits is I get a lot of reading done.
• 4:48
  Speaker 4: Guys, if you can't fall asleep on deadly series of others, count backwards from 200 and start with your even numbers and then do your odd numbers and you'll get a sleep like that.
• 4:56
  Speaker 1: You know what, Ray?
• 4:56
  Speaker 1: I did try that.
• 4:57
  Speaker 1: It does work.
• 4:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate that minute when you're.
• 5:01
  Speaker 2: You know I'd be driving along with Ray and or we would be somewhere, we'd be like in a hotel, and Ray would say you know, I'm having a hard time falling asleep.
• 5:07
  Speaker 2: Mark, tell me your testimony.
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: Man, that is such a good line.
• 5:11
  Speaker 1: I hate it.
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: Simplify it more, Mark talk.
• 5:15
  Speaker 4: That's all it would take.
• 5:15
  Speaker 4: Well, it all started when I was two, all right.
• 5:18
  Speaker 1: Heat stroke, hypothermia or nausea.
• 5:23
  Speaker 3: These are brilliant.
• 5:23
  Speaker 3: Why are we doing this these?
• 5:24
  Speaker 1: are brilliant I want to Heat stroke.
• 5:26
  Speaker 1: Heat stroke, hypothermia or nausea.
• 5:29
  Speaker 4: That's when you got a hot cat.
• 5:32
  Speaker 1: Hypothermia no heat stroke.
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if I've experienced a couple of those, but I'd say heat stroke because I drink water.
• 5:37
  Speaker 2: Would that take care of it?
• 5:38
  Speaker 2: Probably not.
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: You'd die.
• 5:40
  Speaker 4: Hypothermia is when you're cold, isn't it?
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like being out in the freezing cold.
• 5:44
  Speaker 1: I think, I'd take that one Over heat stroke.
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: King green Nausea is Seriously anything sounds better than nausea.
• 5:53
  Speaker 4: Nausea is horrible.
• 5:54
  Speaker 4: What if anyone's ever called their door?
• 5:55
  Speaker 3: I knew you were going to say that.
• 5:57
  Speaker 4: This is my daughter nausea, Nausea.
• 6:00
  Speaker 1: All right Named after morning sickness.
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: You're making a grown-up on a plane Ray.
• 6:03
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine that?
• 6:04
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 6:04
  Speaker 4: Mark Doing what?
• 6:05
  Speaker 4: No, no, don't say anything.
• 6:07
  Speaker 4: It'll send us in a direction we shouldn't go.
• 6:09
  Speaker 4: Mark will regret it.
• 6:10
  Speaker 1: We're going to talk about bloody noses?
• 6:11
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's the fact that no one throws up as loud as Mark oh no, it's not as bad though Ray is when you had the nose bleed on the plane and you grabbed my Bible to try to stop the nosebleeds.
• 6:22
  Speaker 1: It's not as loud as your sneeze, though, ray, did you Nothing, what?
• 6:26
  Speaker 5: is it?
• 6:26
  Speaker 5: When you grabbed his Bible, did you go Old Testament or Old Testament?
• 6:28
  Speaker 5: No, it was.
• 6:29
  Speaker 4: Old Testament.
• 6:29
  Speaker 4: Obviously, there's the blood in the Old Testament.
• 6:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, rachel sneezes this loud too, doesn't she my daughter?
• 6:36
  Speaker 4: She got my gene I think she does.
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah For a woman.
• 6:40
  Speaker 2: Is that intentional though, Ray?
• 6:41
  Speaker 2: No, yes, it is.
• 6:43
  Speaker 2: No.
• 6:43
  Speaker 2: I have no control A little bit.
• 6:45
  Speaker 2: There's no way.
• 6:45
  Speaker 4: Not at all.
• 6:46
  Speaker 4: If I'm alone, I sneeze loud and hear an echo.
• 6:48
  Speaker 4: It is so loud I can't help it.
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: There's no way any human being would sneeze like that it may be from so much open air preaching.
• 6:55
  Speaker 4: My lungs might just have a little bit of spusher.
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: Open air preach.
• 6:59
  Speaker 1: I sneeze All right.
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: Long lasting hiccups, heartburn or itchiness.
• 7:03
  Speaker 1: How many of these Two more Long lasting hiccups Hiccups, heartburn or itchiness?
• 7:11
  Speaker 1: If you had hiccups, that would be hard in the pulpit right yeah.
• 7:14
  Speaker 4: Heartburn is easy to fix with tums, although I don't like tums because it's spelt backwards, it's smell.
• 7:20
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: I had tums a couple of days ago because I had heartburn.
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: I love tums.
• 7:24
  Speaker 4: Immediate, it fixes, immediate, it really does work Sad milk.
• 7:27
  Speaker 1: Have you guys heard of those stories of people that have had hiccups for like a?
• 7:30
  Speaker 5: decade.
• 7:30
  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, is that really real?
• 7:32
  Speaker 5: I think it is.
• 7:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's insane.
• 7:34
  Speaker 1: I mean it's on YouTube, so you know it's real.
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: I think they're faking it for sympathy.
• 7:38
  Speaker 2: My hiccups it sounds like I have Tourette's.
• 7:41
  Speaker 2: When I have hiccups it is really, really loud.
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: I rarely get it, but when I get it I can't even imitate it.
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: It's like a twirl between a hiccup and a burp for you, Mark Do you guys get hiccups when you eat spicy food.
• 7:51
  Speaker 5: That happens to people.
• 7:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, that was you really yeah, definitely, really, almost every time.
• 7:54
  Speaker 4: I love the way hiccup sounds like a hiccup, same as burp sounds like a burp Hiccup.
• 7:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, last one Uncontrollable public laughter.
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: I'll just take that, let's move on Uncontrollable public crying, uncontrollable public sneezing.
• 8:12
  Speaker 2: Do the laughing one because laughter is contagious.
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're like a nut.
• 8:17
  Speaker 1: I think I would take sneezing.
• 8:22
  Speaker 4: We just go out of the room.
• 8:23
  Speaker 2: Uncontrollable Ring with his uncontrollable sneezes yeah.
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: All right, guys, here we go.
• 8:31
  Speaker 1: Here's a comment.
• 8:33
  Speaker 1: Talk properly, wait.
• 8:36
  Speaker 1: First of all, I should probably address this and pause my silliness for a moment.
• 8:40
  Speaker 1: Friends, you noticed, I'm sure, that we had a number, could you?
• 8:44
  Speaker 1: pause your silliness.
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: I need to pause my silliness that we had a number of repeat episodes.
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: The reason for that is because I was out for a while and my beloved father passed away At 113.
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: 113, yeah, oldest man in America.
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: By one account, he made it there and he was in the top five in the world.
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: So it was, of course, a mixture of emotions, you know.
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: You think 113, oh wow, he lived a long life.
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: He knew the Lord, but it hits you Sure, no, and I was in the room with him when he took his last breath and, god was merciful, all my siblings went home and.
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: I was gonna do the night shift with him we knew he was gonna pass, we didn't know when and a good friend of mine longtime friend, In fact he's probably the friend I have, In fact, he is who's in my life who has known my dad the longest since 36 years, when I moved into Yerba Linda when I was 12, Bill Daniels.
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: And he had sent me a text a few days before with a question because of what was going on with my dad, and respond, and he sent it again with a question mark.
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: You know when you do the question mark symbol or emoji.
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: So I said, oh, man, I've been in the hospital, here's what's going on with my dad.
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: And he said, oh, can I come down?
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: I'd love to be there with you to see your dad.
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: And so he came and it was just him and I in the room when my dad passed, and it was God's providence.
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: He was so comforting to me.
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: It would have been hard to be alone, you know.
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: So he went to be with the Lord.
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: But we're grieving morning, but we're also rejoicing, and wonderful memories.
• 10:19
  Speaker 4: Every time I saw your daddy was smiling yeah, always yeah, and he was a great basketball player.
• 10:24
  Speaker 4: 101.
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: You know I want to.
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: I need to find those pictures of you guys playing basketball.
• 10:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but the one that was put on the internet was altered.
• 10:31
  Speaker 4: Someone made me jump an extra foot.
• 10:33
  Speaker 4: I only got about three inches off the ground.
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: It did make you look like you're playing yeah, like some sort of.
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so anyhow, friends, thank you all.
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: So many of you prayed for my dad for different things throughout the years and he's in glory now.
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: He's not sad, he's rejoicing, and so I appreciate all those prayers and continue to pray for my family as we mourn and celebrate as well.
• 10:54
  Speaker 5: All, right Side note.
• 10:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was honored to go to the funeral and you did such an amazing job, both honoring your father and honoring the Lord and your ideology.
• 11:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, you preached a beautiful message on the gospel for friends and family that are non-believers to be able to hear it, and it was also comforting for those that were hurting, and so I was just so thankful to be your friend, so honored to be there, and it was an amazing opportunity to proclaim the glory of God and you did so well.
• 11:26
  Speaker 5: I know your dad would be in heaven and just would be rejoicing on the words.
• 11:30
  Speaker 5: Thank you, oscar.
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was a blessing to have you, Ray and Mark it wasn't easy for you to do that.
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a challenge for sure, on many different fronts, but God was gracious and thank you all for being there and it was a blessing.
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: It was really comforting to have you guys all there.
• 11:46
  Speaker 3: All right, friends.
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: My one complaint.
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: There was no baklava Intentionally, I will deprive you for the rest of your life.
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: Did you notice when Ray was trying to start the wave?
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: What the fear.
• 11:59
  Speaker 4: I was in the seat and no one noticed.
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: Does it take long for us to get back to ridiculousness?
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: All right, friends, here's a comment.
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: This is from PCB2022Warrior.
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: Stop it, grateful.
• 12:13
  Speaker 5: His parents are robots, yeah.
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: I'm thankful to God for bringing me to your YouTube channel and this podcast.
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: I never used it before, but because of LT I don't know what that is I became a very heavy user Lemon tea.
• 12:27
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• 12:30
  Speaker 1: I became a heavy user.
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: I was revolutionized in a lot of ways.
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: Your way of handling the truth is truly glorifying God and humbling men.
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: God bless all of you.
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: I wish to see you in person in this lifetime.
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: Ah, thank you.
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: I'm so happy.
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: We would absolutely love to meet you and, yeah, hopefully, lord willing, we will.
• 12:49
  Speaker 5: We're all much taller in person.
• 12:50
  Speaker 5: Separate.
• 12:51
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 12:53
  Speaker 5: Have you ever?
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: ever said that to you, Ray.
• 12:54
  Speaker 4: What's that?
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: You're much shorter than I thought when they meet you in person Every time, right.
• 13:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, every time, every time, I've mentioned before that I've arrived at airports and I've had to pull on the pastor's jacket when I arrived Down here.
• 13:10
  Speaker 4: This is getaway, kid.
• 13:11
  Speaker 4: I'm waiting for Ray come for.
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: So you never told you, Ray, that you look a lot taller than they thought?
• 13:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well then I was gonna say it's a lie You're mentioning about wanting to meet us.
• 13:22
  Speaker 4: If you're ever in Southern California, come to the ministry.
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: I'm a visitor.
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just reach out.
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: We have a form, I think online.
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: You fill it out.
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: And we're 15 minutes north of Disneyland.
• 13:30
  Speaker 4: That's our location, so you've got another reason to come.
• 13:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, 15 minutes north of Disneyland by helicopter, maybe.
• 13:37
  Speaker 4: No, I've timed it on a freeway.
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: yeah, yeah pretty close and we're just around the corner from the federal prison, the nuclear power plant, insane asylum, the sewage treatment.
• 13:49
  Speaker 5: We actually are Indian sane asylum.
• 13:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we are Living Waters Compton.
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: All right frowns.
• 13:55
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• 14:01
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• 14:02
  Speaker 1: I did too.
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• 14:27
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• 14:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, people are yeah, thank you for saying that, because people are saying wait a minute, where why?
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: Where is it filmed?
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but Ray doesn't think about that.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: All right, frowns, and don't forget the Living Waters.
• 14:40
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• 14:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking of changing it up, oscar, like doing some grunge when I say that, some grunge.
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: That's what you were.
• 14:54
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• 14:56
  Speaker 1: We don't need it To let me see, I'll do death metal.
• 15:00
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• 15:06
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• 15:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you can go as high pitch.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: All right, frowns.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: We better jump into the topic of hand.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: We have gone on and on and on and on.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Well, you have, yeah, I have, All right.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: Can a Christian?
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: This is so stupid.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Can a Christian ever sue someone, Are you?
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: The topic is stupid, it sounds stupid.
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: Do you mean may a Christian sue someone?
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: Can, could.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: May you just fill in whatever you want.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: Sue is someone, she works here.
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're married to her.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm married to her Ray thinks about suing every day.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: My favorite wife, yeah.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: Cheers If I was Solomon.
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: Oh, she'd be in the top 10.
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: Laura hates that joke she does.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't stop me from saying it, she just hates it Now.
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: that's because you don't have your timing right.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: It doesn't.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's timing From saying it.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: How does it go?
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: If I was Solomon, you'd be in the top 10.
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: And Sue laughed.
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: She thought it was great.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: And I remember I was at a youth camp and some guy said that to his wife and she came back and she got really upset Because he didn't have his timing right.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Do you say that in front of people though?
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, but you understand right, sue is people.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you understand.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Though, no matter how many warnings you give about this, many, many, many men around the world who are listening to this are gonna use it on their wife.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: You're gonna be responsible for destroying marriages.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: Well, we do marriage counseling.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, friends.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: So, guys, this is a topic that's relevant.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: I said stupid.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: It just sounds stupid, I don't know why, but anyway.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: But I mean, suing is a big deal.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: We live in a very litigious like that word, I like it Litigious society.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: On that note, though, as we jump into this, right N Was a lot different, at least back then, than the US is.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: I mean Lawsuits, it's just like it's like breathing in America.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is, it's American.
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I mean like poor lawsuits right now.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: You didn't sue anybody in New Zealand.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: That's not.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't have that right.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: You wouldn't bother with it.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, can't be bothered.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: And anyway, who wins with lawsuits?
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: the lawyers, that's true, he's his main source of income.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Don't tell people about my side hustle mark.
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: I Looked it up because you're right, we live in a very litigious age.
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, you drive down the four or five freeway, the five freeway and I'm willing to estimate that 40% of the signs up on the freeway are attorneys Advertising their services to us.
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: I looked it up just kind of fight for you.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: Before I passed on because it says we'll fight for you.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: No, he fell around they took the eye out and put we so they're getting ready for it.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I thought I saw him recently must be for Jacobi and Myers.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: I still love that story.
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: That's all orange County stuff, though, but I looked it up because I was kind of curious and there's some funny lawsuits out there.
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: One lady had her car repossessed because she didn't pay the bill and she sued the company for five million dollars Because they took her personal property, referring to the gas and the gas tank Valid valid right.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: Did she win?
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: She did not win.
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: Robert Lee Brock sued himself While he was in prison Because he claimed that he had a split personality and the other personality was violating his religious rights.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: Well, stop a legion would have a ball.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: Seriously, oh god, keep it one more.
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: And this one actually has a very interesting story.
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: This is one of the more popular lawsuits that people know, thinking that it's outrageous, but actually the McDonald's the story behind, is it?
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: really yeah.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: So it is the lady who sued McDonald's because she burned herself with the coffee.
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: Here's the side note to that, though there's actually an issue.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: She did win it.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: Six people always say that she won like six eight million dollars.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: That's not true.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: She won six hundred and fifty thousand dollars and some change, and it covered medical.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: The reason why she won the suit is because the coffee was scolding hot, it was super early in the morning, it was on an unreasonable level and it literally melted her thighs and she had tons of surgery Wow, at risk of losing the possibility of her reproductive system, whoa, and so, actually, the story behind that lawsuit is a little less outrageous.
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: I remember reading that yeah, but the point remains.
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: We live in a litigious age, we are influenced, inspired and, and the idea of suing to resolve an issue and to make a quick buck is all over the place.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Have you guys ever been sued any of you?
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm, mark, yes, have you been sued?
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: I was, yeah, I was coming back from the harvest crusade and I was in.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I was in my car.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Pulled up to the crosswalk there was a car.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: I was a little past the cross when you lean over and gave them a hot cup of coffee.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I from McDonald's and this lady clipped the front of my vehicle.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: She was determined to have the police come.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: The police came and police said like there's no damage to either vehicle, go your way.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: And she wanted to have a police report Done, and so he filled out a plate.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: She filled that out and it was 364 days later no way.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: And I got a knock on the door Saying that I was being sued because she could no longer have relations with her husband.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: It was something that couldn't be proven.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: It was psychological, wow.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: And my insurance company settled at the court and gave her $50,000.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: What I got dropped from my insurance company.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: But I remember during that, during the process, ray had told me to pray that God would bless her because she's not coming up against me, she's coming up against a child of the king, she's coming up against God himself.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: And what was that person?
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: And so I started to pray for mercy upon her and Mark real.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: That's all that happened.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: No damage real quick, how dare?
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: you Can an insurance company do that drop you after you have a plane.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's terrible, Mark sue them.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: Hey, listen is this is my imagination.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: We're talking about a Society that sues the fact that almost every documentary you watch has so many blurred faces in it.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: Hmm, we watch one where people get picked up for sneaking cocaine through airports.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: It's really scary how many people think they can get through and they end up with 15 years in a jail in Colombia or somewhere.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: It's just horrible.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: But everything is blurred.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: All the airline Names on the planes are blurred, people's faces are blurred, any bag is blurred.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're afraid of getting so.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I mean man liability you always hear this word, right?
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Liability, liability, liability, and it's because we live in such a, you know, litigious age.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing, you know.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I think, in one sense, though, video cameras have saved so many people millions of dollars, because those that are innocent can now prove it in a sense, right?
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if you guys have ever seen those videos where people actually make a living out of faking, being hit by cars, where they're like you'll see them, though they're walking, then Right, and the fact that some of these guys have cameras and they'll go we're filming you and they'll get up and walk away.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: It's normally like really nice cars too.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly they, they.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: They try to intentionally do that.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: Lamborghini drops.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but but you know it's.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: It's sorry about my first house, but it's.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: It's in keeping with with this crazy day and age in which we live.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: So that's the question before us, and Should Christians, or could Christians, can Christians make Christians ever sue anyone?
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Before we jump into what scripture says on some of these things, I'd love to hear your opinions.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Well, I'd never saw a Christian Now.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: But the problem is if someone wrongs you that says they're a Christian but they're obviously not by the fruit that's lacking in their lives.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: It still looks to the world like a Christian, is so Christian, and that becomes a stunning buck for the ungodly.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: So it becomes a difficult situation.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: So that that's a good point, right?
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I'd like to camp on this for a minute, because I Was just talking to someone recently about what scripture touches on regarding and not even eating with a so-called brother, right, and when we're to separate ourselves, as someone claims to be a Christian but they're living in sin.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: How do we apply that?
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: And then this is the same thing here with with what you're talking about, and that's first Corinthians 6.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: We're gonna get into it.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: But how do you, how do you, how do you really apply that in a Culture where everybody says they're a Christian?
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Right, I mean, most people you'll talk to, the majority at least will say, oh, I'm a Christian.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: So Does that apply to anyone who just says I'm a Christian, or would you say, no, that applies to someone who is Clearly a member of a church, who has made a clear profession of faith and would be recognized to some degree as distinctly Christian.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: What do you guys think On the topic?
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: of 1 Corinthians.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean just in general, like things like that, whether it's associating with a so-called brother or, yeah, suing someone who says they're a Christian.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so associating with a so-called brother.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: As far as I understand the way the scriptures laid out is because there's it's an apparent conflict.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: It's not a conflict.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: The apparent conflict is someone would say well, here it says, do not eat with a so-called brother, but over here Jesus is dining with tax collectors, and so how do I distinguish the two?
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: As far as I understand 1 Corinthians, it's referring more to somebody in the context of church discipline, somebody who has been a member of the church, who is an active sin, who denies that sin.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: You treat that person differently.
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: You don't just pretend like they're still in the fellowship of brother.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: That's hard, it's difficult, it's ugly.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: I've been through that before with a friend.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: But the scriptures make it clear that we shouldn't treat someone who is not pursuing Christ through repentance as though they are brother.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: On the other hand, a non-believer who might be like, yeah, you know, cultural Christian, yeah, I think Jesus is kind of cool, but they're clearly, have never been, a part of the fold, that's what I mean.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: That person I think we should pursue them.
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: I'd have a meal with that person.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: I don't treat them like a brother.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Did you say pursue them, Pursue them, Pursue to them?
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I see what you did there.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: You see that.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: You see that.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's good, Oscar.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Mark, have you ever sued anyone?
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: You've been sued.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Have you ever sued anyone?
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: No, didn't you sue that lady no.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Ray Oscar, you guys ever sued anyone?
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Never, yeah me either.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: We went to court, you and I once.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: Oh wait a minute To preach the gospel.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Wait, we did sue someone.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if we sued them.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Well, you call that a lawsuit, that's right.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: We pursued them.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I forgot about that With the trees.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because we were given an order by a judge to not preach the gospel at the courthouse where you, mark, and I, would go and preach every morning.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: And yeah, and that's when we went to court.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Went to court and the judge says come here.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: And he took us out to the back room and says you haven't got a show of whating this because a judge is it's a judge versus yeah, it's like we're going against a judge, yeah it wasn't just him.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: He was talking about another judge that had said that we couldn't.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: So they slapped on us the abortion rule.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: We weren't allowed to approach anyone, had to stand 14 feet away from anybody, and so that drove us to Huntington Beach.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Well, Scotty drove me to Huntington Beach.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Well, what's crazy is I had just got done saying to you I can't believe we can do this.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: I kept saying stop, keep saying that.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they shut us down.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: So I you know, thinking through lawsuits, I think that it's important to understand, maybe, the heart behind the why in regards to the scriptures, and the first thing is is in no way do the scriptures say not to use the law to defend, protect yourself or advocate for your rights, which is something that sounds like you guys did, and the thought behind that is Acts 21 and 22,.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: You know it talks about Paul being arrested and wrongfully accused of a crime.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: Don't you love that?
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Harry?
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Just whisper to them.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Do you do this to Roman citizens?
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: Yes, that's exactly right and that's where I'm going with this.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: He's being whipped and accused of a crime and he what he does.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: Yes, he whipped, or they were threatening to whip him.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: You know I'd have to go back and write.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: They were threatening.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: They were threatening okay.
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: So he leverages his legal rights as a Roman citizen when he says is it legal for you to whip a Roman citizen who hasn't even been tried?
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: So there he is, bringing a legal argument before the court to protect himself, right?
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: And so God puts in place laws, governed by men, that are intended for our good.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: That doesn't mean all laws are intended for good, but the will of the Lord is that there would be a system that we would depend on to protect ourselves.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: We see Paul doing that with Rome.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: But then you move to aspects of the local church, and I think that here's where, if you guys don't mind, like I wanna talk about the setting.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: Okay, so we live in a very different age than the early church did.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: In the early church it was in a small town or village in which you had a system or structure set up, but you pretty much knew everybody, and the intent here is that God would move his people to work out their differences within the confines of the local church community.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: I think that's an important aspect here to take into consideration.
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: It's not just this blanket like don't go to the court system, but it's also this precedence of rely on your community, rely on your elders.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: Seek reconciliation amongst yourselves.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: Use God's authority in your life through the local church, rather than going to the authority of the law first.
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: I think that's an important aspect of what the scriptures are telling us.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that leads us right into the passage that I think we need to read, that it applies and that's first for me it's also regarding giving a brother, profess brother, a cold shoulder.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: The reason we do that is to bring him back to the face.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Exactly, that's right.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: It's God's means of grace to maximize the effects of bringing him back to repentance.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: First, corinthians 6, 1 to 7.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Dare any of you having a matter against another go to law before the unrighteous and not before the saints?
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Do you not know that the saints will judge the world?
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I love how Paul builds his case.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: He's saying listen, you're gonna judge the world.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: You can't judge between a guy who ate another guy's gefelter fish or whatever.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I just can't judge.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: You said, like told, real Gefelter fish.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: What is that Anyway?
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Do you not know that we will judge angels?
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Now he picks it up You're gonna judge angels.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: How much more things that pertain to this life?
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: If, then, you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge?
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I say this to your shame Is it so that there is not a wise man among you, not even one who will be able to judge between his brethren?
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: But brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers, and this is where it gets heavy Now.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Why do you not rather accept wrong?
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Why do you not rather let yourself be cheated?
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Whoa dude Mark hit us with that.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean be wronged, just be wronged.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Vengeance's mind says the Lord, he's gonna take care of it.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: He's gonna take care of all your needs.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Your finances are not yours, they belong to him.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Your time it's not yours.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: You think it's okay to take that higher road.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: It's an admirable place to take that higher road to allow somebody to get what they want, and that means right.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: But if somebody has done you wrong, so be it.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, who cares?
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Your life is not your own and, like we said earlier, the Lord is going to take care of his children.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: He's gonna take care of all of your needs according to his riches in Christ Jesus.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Take that higher road.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: People are watching and if nobody is watching, god is watching.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: He's gonna do a work inside of you.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: God's your portion, he's your inheritance.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Let him deal with it, amen.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Would you say that this is in keeping with being eternally minded to consider the impact on lost souls, like I mean he's saying this and this and that before unbelievers, like the point of that this is bringing a scandal to.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I think the power of the gospel that should unite God's people.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: They'll know where his disciples barred love for one another.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: I remember about 40 years ago, when our ministry was in its infancy in New Zealand, sue and I were in charge of stuff.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: I'd written a few books and some guy in South Africa read Hell's Best Kept Secret.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: It wasn't cool that then he was just blown away, says I want all your books.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: So we got a stack of books, put them in about six or eight boxes and shipped them to South Africa.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: We didn't understand how shipping should be double boxed and when the books arrived there they were damaged.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: He said every book is damaged.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: I said well, go to the insurance company.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: It was insured and he wouldn't do that.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: And a friend of mine said Sue him.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: And I said no, I'm just going to forget it.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: Give it to God and forget it.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: The next weekend our book sales were seven times the amount of normal.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: It was just amazing.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: We couldn't believe it.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: So yeah, commit yourself to him.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: Who judges righteously?
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: Jesus didn't avenge himself, but he committed himself to him.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: Who judges righteously?
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are services that are available that help deal with disputes between Christians by Christians, and it's a form of Christian arbitration.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: That keeps it within the body of Christ.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Here's one.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: This is from Christianlegalssocietyorg and it kind of explains.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: It says yes, although civil litigation is sometimes the only way to resolve certain legal issues, the Bible teaches that Christians should first seek to settle the differences through biblically grounded mediation or arbitration.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Today, this faith-based process is often referred to as Christian conciliation.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: As these scriptures indicate, disputes that are primarily relational or that involve simple legal issues can often be resolved with the assistance of spiritually mature believers in the local church.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Disputes that involve more complex legal, relational or spiritual issues may require the assistance of a certified conciliator who can provide biblical, professional alternative dispute resolution ADR services.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: So there are ministries and organizations that do that.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: The Institute for Christian Conciliation this is from their website, aorhopeorg.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: The Institute for Christian Conciliation provides faith-based alternate dispute resolution or ADR services, including biblical mediation and court approved Christian arbitration.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Solomon had that ministry.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: Cut the baby in half.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: So what would be a valid thing to sue somebody over?
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, so that's a really good question mark, and I know it hit me too, as I said it.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: So this is because, look, we can oversimplify things and just say, oh no, don't sue anybody.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Don't ever sue someone who says they're a Christian or whatever.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: But we have to be mature enough to recognize there are some really complex issues where justice, I believe, is rightly required and where a lawsuit may be appropriate.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: But as far as a Christian is concerned, this is one take that a lot of people have and it would deal with Matthew 18.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: So let's say a brother sends against you and then you take the Matthew 18 approach right, 15 through 17 where it says if he sends against you, you go to your brother alone.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: If he doesn't hear you, if he hears you, you've gained your brother.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: If he doesn't, you take with you one or two more.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: He doesn't hear them, then you bring it to the church and if he refuses, it says to even hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: And this is the angle that some people take and they say if someone is truly unrepentant and they've been approached and you've done the Matthew 18 approach, now they've become like an unbeliever and on that basis you would be justified then to pursue a lawsuit.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: So that's one angle Some have, others disagree with it.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think there are especially if we're just talking about unbelievers.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: There are times when it's appropriate, but I do think we should still try to avoid it if in any way possible.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: What do you think, oscar?
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the disposition here I wrote down in my notes the law of love is greater than the law of the land, and what I mean by that is and I love the way you put it, mark which is that if a brother has sinned against you, you think about again.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: Going back to the context, actually, read one commentator talk about how, in these small towns, the dispute would often sound like your cattle wandered into my land and ate my crops and destroyed it.
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: Now, us here in 2024 might think that to be small, but actually that's rather large, because now you've got the fact that their financial future is at stake and that was the way you provided for your family.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: So that was a big issue, right?
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: But the law of love looks at it this way have I not sinned against God?
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: Do I not owe a great debt to God and does God not provide for me?
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: Ultimately, I think, with those two dispositions in mind, the Christian can approach one another humbly in the context of the authority of the local church and work things out to display the truth, goodness and beauty of the gospel they understand.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: Right Now to your point.
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: That doesn't mean if an organization, a company, a nonbeliever has wronged you and has put you at financial risk.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: The legal system is there to protect you, for sure, but the disposition here, as usual, the Bible cares so much about our heart disposition before it talks about our actions, and so that is what we need to focus these verses.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: I really like that, Oscar, because the idea is, before you ever enter into something like that, you really want to seek wisdom, counsel from people, and if you're only seeking after wisdom and counsel from people that agree with you, then your heart is wrong, the motive is wrong.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, pause right there.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: This is why God has pastors and elders and bishops and overseers inside of our lives that can speak inside of our lives.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: So when you seek counsel concerning this matter, if you had the heart of Lord, I only want your will, whatever it is.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: If you want me to go for whatever reason, if you want me to go to court, if I've been wrongly treated by a police officer and this is going to affect other believers perhaps we're afraid of my speech as being squashed then if you want me to be part of that fight, I'm willing to do it.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: But if you have that heart's desire of just saying look, Lord, I'm good with just walking away from this, whatever you want to do, and you're seeking wisdom from all sorts of people on different sides of the camp.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: I think, the heart is right, the motive is good, Certain lawsuits make me rejoice and want to shout with joy.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: One was Gayle Blair.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: Do you remember her Lady in the 60s, blind?
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: Local city, she can't take the minister, use our tracks.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: They said you cannot share your faith in this park.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: So First Liberty took them to court and they won.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: And because how dare they say, they're a blind lady who's sharing a faith in a public park.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: You can't do that.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: So when that lawsuit came up, I was thrilled.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, two things.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: First, I just want to hit this real quick.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: That's what I mean about.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: There are complex issues and there are certain things that we can easily overlook and say, no, you never sue.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: But no, that's a worthy cause, it's for the sake of the gospel and so forth.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: And again, I think Oscar made a good point.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it could be financially ruinous for you and you have the right given to you and I think it should be taken.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: But I can't tell you guys how much my heart was doing backflips as the two of you were talking about checking our motive, our disposition, our heart, and I think oftentimes a big problem with us as believers is we just rush to decisions because we just want what we want and we don't pause to say no, I really and that's really the true test mark you hit it.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Do we really say I want to hear everyone's counsel, even counsel that I don't really prefer because I want to settle on truth?
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: That's good, that's huge, and if we get to a place as Christians where we truly begin doing that, it'll change our lives.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: That's a true godly heart, a heart of selflessness that says Lord, I really want your will and, most importantly, I want to magnify love, and I want to adorn the gospel and not disparage it in any way.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Love bears all things.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: You can get through that with God's help.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really good.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Love bears, yeah, love bears.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: I think these couple quotes here from MacArthur are worth reading.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: This is again to go back to regarding Christians.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: He says Christians are not to take other Christians to worldly courts.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: When we put ourselves under the authority of the world in this way, we confess that we do not have right actions and right attitudes.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Believers who go to court before unbelievers are more concerned with revenge or gain than with the unity of the body and the glory of Jesus Christ.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Disputes between Christians should be settled by and among Christians.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: That's good.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: And you want to say, by settling our own disputes, we give a testimony of our resources and of our unity, harmony and humility before the world when we go to a public court, our testimony is the opposite.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's good.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: And then I think it's important to bear in mind and, Ray, you know, you and I have talked about this right, Like making decisions in the heat of emotion how dangerous that is.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: And a lot of times, you know, when we've had disputes with other believers, to whatever degree, time passes, days go by and then we look back and say what was I all worked up about?
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: That is so true, right?
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, one scripture that ministers to me, among 10 million others, is the beginning of contention is like letting water out, and so you don't wanna have contention with anyone.
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: If you can help it as much as lights within you, be at peace with all man, because when you're in the middle of a trial, it seems, like you said, so huge it's like a mountain, but when you look at it from a distance it's a molehill.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: And it's that heart that just says Lord, I wanna love my brethren.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: You know, the Lord has, as of late, been just doing a paradigm shift work in my life in a huge way, and I can't even explain it.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: It started to happen shortly before my dad passed and it just had to do with selfishness.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: And I don't know what it was, but like I mean, how many times have I talked about selfishness, memorized scriptures about it, taught on it?
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: But for the first time it's like it was more of a focus on not so much the beauty of selflessness, which is often what I would focus on, but the ugliness of selfishness, like, seriously to a point of disgust.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: And in fact, after my dad passed, I was lying in bed just bawling my eyes out and Rachel was comforting me and I just said I don't know what it was.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: It just came even more to the forefront of my mind the ugliness of selfishness.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I call it that wicked, evil self embrace, where you wrap your arms around yourself and just want nothing but to love yourself rather than to stop and say man, I'm called to consider others more important than myself.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Philippians two, not only looking out for my interests but for theirs.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: And look at the example of Christ.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: We should have his mind right.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Who, being in the form of God, didn't consider it a robbery.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: To equal with God, made himself up no reputation taking the form of a bonds of it coming in the likeness of men and being found in appearances of man.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: He humbled himself to the point of obedience, to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: That's our model, and I think that's the solution to these things.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Amen, that's really good.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: None of us want to bottom with our own selfish thought.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: No, but I mean, you guys hear what I'm saying.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I heard you too.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had you muted this whole time.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'd be muted.
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: No, that's really good easy.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: But, Oscar, I'd love you just for a moment, even to speak to that the issue of selfishness and how destructive it is and how it even ties into this whole litigious age.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: Man, I don't know how to say it better than you just did.
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: I love that you pointed us back to the cross, because I think, in light of the cross, yeah, how do we approach things in a defensible way?
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: How do we go before, how do we go before?
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: You think about our disposition of like?
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: I need to defend myself, I need to protect myself, I need to look out for number one, but actually what I need is to be more like Christ, who had every right to defend himself, who had every right to protect himself, who was number one but counted himself least and last.
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: Who, instead of defending himself, protected us.
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: Who, instead of putting himself first, put us first.
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: That should the reality that God has gone before us through his son, jesus Christ, as you're putting it easy, and it's just softening my heart right now should release us from any desire to defend our own selves, because we've already been defended on the cross.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Wow, I thought we were talking about shellfish.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Shellfish.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: You know, Randy Elkhorn said, you know, God doesn't judge our finances by what we give up or what we keep.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: You know, it's easy to give from an abundance.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: And when you start self-examining and going down the route of, you know, am I selfish?
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: You know what areas am I selfish?
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: So we should get past the area of am I?
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: But where?
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Where am I selfish?
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Towards that person?
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: And maybe not towards that person, or in this way and not that way, Because you know, truth be told, that we are holding the smoking gun in all areas when it comes to being selfish.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: And I remember you sharing this with me easy, when we're on a plane up to Sacramento, and I was really ministered by what you were sharing, even more so there that I mean others are not able to get a peek into your heart.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: During that time, and here it is, your father had just passed and you're talking about how selfish you are and I was like, oh man, I had to take, I had examined my heart.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: You know, in the midst of it all, and I am attempting to move forward in different areas of not being selfish and I recognize it in my life.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, man, seriously it gets me emotional even now.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: It's so ugly and it's like we we're just going a hundred miles an hour with that wicked, evil self embrace that I was talking about, this distorted self love.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: That is so disgusting and we don't even realize what we're doing.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: You know we're just cutting people off we're.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: You know we're interjecting what we want.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: We're totally like, you know, taking what's best for us.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: It's so antithetical to the gospel.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: No greater love has any man than this than to lay down his life for his friends.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I've said this before, ray death is the standard.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: If the standard is death, what beneath it is not a given Right, but we, we, just, we just.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: It's all about us, my desires, my preferences, my comfort, my, and we're not pausing to say no, no, no.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I'm called to consider others more important than myself.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: What's the remedy, ray?
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: How do we?
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: Well, it's the root of every war, it's the root of every broken marriage selfishness.
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: And the answer is just to see the cross and to crucify yourself.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: In the light of that cross and you know, it's no longer I that lives, but Christ in me, and it's his love that you show to others.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: Wow, amen.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: And I just want to say something here too that's important to know it.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I think I've mentioned it before, but this does not mean that we never approach each other to correct each other, because love does not seek its own.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: So if my brother is sinning, as I've said, he's harming the Lord himself and others.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: I love the Lord, him and others.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Therefore, I'm going to approach him to repent.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: But now all the other attributes of agape love are gonna be their patience and kindness and not behaving rudely toward them, and so on and so forth, and so that's just key to remember, but I pray that the Lord does a revival in all of our hearts in that regard.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I honestly believe every sin traces its roots back to selfishness, and if we deal with that root, it's gonna solve so many issues in our lives.
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: It's so funny you say that.
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: I know we're going along here, but I've been reading through Genesis, studying Genesis, and I happen to be preaching on Genesis, chapter three, one through seven, this week.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: And, man, you just hit like the core of what I'll be talking about preaching on, which is what did Adam do?
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: He lacked trust in what God had planned for him, and it reminds me of this novel that I read years ago called the Human Stain, and the main character of that novel sets out to put others down to prove himself.
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: He put others down and he saw himself as more important because he needed to show that he was, because he needed to know that he was.
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: And Adam ultimately turns away from God because he didn't trust what God had for him.
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: Right, and so much of our selfishness is not trusting in what God has for us.
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: It's not trusting in what he has to say about who we are, about the human condition and what he means to do about it.
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: We take it into our own hands when we act in selfish ways.
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: Wow, that's good, oscar.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: All right, friends.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: That wraps it up.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Wow, we went into different areas, but praise God.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: Let's see if we get sued for this problem.
• 50:32
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• 50:35
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