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Russ Neville - The Theetge Saga At City Hall · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: It's seven thirty one right now. If you've have ker
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Speaker 1: CD talk station, timing's everything perfect timing for Russ Neville
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Speaker 1: to be in studio. Russ happens to be police Chief FIGI.
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Speaker 1: She's on administrative leave, but she's still chief, that's her title.
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Speaker 1: We can't figure out quite why she got placed on
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Speaker 1: administrative leave. Nothing articulated by the city of sinn when
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Speaker 1: they placed her on administrative leave. It just happened after
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Speaker 1: that crazy brawl in downtown Cincinnati. So why I guess
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Speaker 1: the city didn't know why because they had to retain
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Speaker 1: an outside law firm to look into police Chief Fiji's
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Speaker 1: thirty five year record to see if they could sort
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Speaker 1: through it and figure out something with hindsight, retroactive as
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Speaker 1: it is, to justify why she was placed on administrative leave,
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Speaker 1: and presumably to come up with a reason to fire her.
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Speaker 1: In studio, her brother Russ Neville, part of the Neville
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Speaker 1: family and your storied career in law enforcement here in
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Speaker 1: the city of Cincinnat. Let me start, Russ, independent of
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Speaker 1: what's going on with this issue, to thank you and
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Speaker 1: all of your family members for all the service that
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Speaker 1: they have provided the residents of the City of Cincinnati
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Speaker 1: over the years.
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Speaker 2: Man, it is an amazing thing.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Brian, very very much appreciated, and to you too,
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Speaker 3: and thank you forget giving us an opportunity to share
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Speaker 3: Terry's perspective without her ability to speak to the media
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Speaker 3: or the public at this point in time.
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Speaker 1: Well, and that's an important thing you just brought up there.
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Speaker 1: I was going to ask you what is in coming
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Speaker 1: here and speaking with the listeners today and addressing this.
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Speaker 1: What is your role? Do you have a designated role?
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Speaker 1: Are you doing this just because she's your sister? What's
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Speaker 1: the story on that.
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Speaker 3: At the inception of this meeting with Terry and mister
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Speaker 3: m it was recommended by he that if there were
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Speaker 3: any media releases or public statements, that'd be done by
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Speaker 3: one individual, and both Terry and mister m requested or
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Speaker 3: recommended that I do so, and I'm trying to do
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Speaker 3: it to the best of my ability to benefit Terry.
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Speaker 1: Fair enough, and misterim is her attorney, which will make
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Speaker 1: the record clear on that here in the morning show.
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Speaker 1: Now you read the report, your reactions you were talking
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Speaker 1: to I guess it was Tricia Mackie or one of
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Speaker 1: the other local reporters, and I saw your comments. A
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Speaker 1: lot of the comments you made were similar to the
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Speaker 1: observations I made, And of course you're far more intimately
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Speaker 1: involved with this than I am, but it was all
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Speaker 1: my Again. When I came on the show yesterday morning,
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Speaker 1: I started out with, Okay, you got thirty two people
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Speaker 1: that were apparently interviewed within the CINCINNT Police Department that
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Speaker 1: comprised the conclusions in this report. And I said, well,
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Speaker 1: there aree hundreds, nine hundred or so officers. And I
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Speaker 1: asked you this morning on that because thirty two out
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Speaker 1: of a contingent of how many total officers.
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Speaker 3: Well, are the sworn there's approximately nine hundred. There's an
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Speaker 3: ebb and flow with that, and then you have the
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Speaker 3: civilian positions which carry between two and three hundred, so
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Speaker 3: you're at twelve to thirteen hundred people.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Logically, I want to ask, how is it that
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Speaker 1: they arrived at just these thirty two, because I cannot
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Speaker 1: imagine that with all the officers you just mentioned that
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Speaker 1: every single one of them carried the same conclusions that
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Speaker 1: we draw from what the conclusions are from the law
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Speaker 1: firm one sided they have, you know, these these sort
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Speaker 1: of I feel I believe speculative comments, perhaps biased comments.
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Speaker 1: But are you telling me that they this law firm
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Speaker 1: couldn't find a single human being who was happy with
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Speaker 1: police Chief Thiji's role as chief or as her career
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Speaker 1: in law enforcement.
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Speaker 3: That's kind of a two prone question. It is, we know,
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Speaker 3: factually there were those that were interviewed who had positive
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Speaker 3: statements about Terry who have reached out to Terry since
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Speaker 3: very upset about the fact that the entire report was negative,
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Speaker 3: and their names will ultimately be affiliated with that report,
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Speaker 3: which would imply that they spoke negatively and it's not factual,
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Speaker 3: and they're hurt by it and Terry's hurt by it.
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Speaker 3: The other aspect is you would have to ask the
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Speaker 3: law firm in the City of Cincinnati how they came
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Speaker 3: to interviewing thirty people of twelve or thirteen hundred.
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Speaker 1: And trust me, in anticipation of whatever litigation comes out
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Speaker 1: of this, which I've been pretty much convinced is going
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Speaker 1: to happen, those people will be interviewed, they will be deposed,
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Speaker 1: their testimony will be on record, and given the wheels
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Speaker 1: of justice spend very slowly, we're going to have to
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Speaker 1: wait for it, but it's going to come out.
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Speaker 2: They all know it. Let's pause for a moment.
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Speaker 1: We'll get more from Russ Neville on this very important
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Speaker 1: topic for the area seven thirty five.
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Speaker 2: Right now.
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Speaker 1: It is seven thirty nine, coming up with a seven
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Speaker 1: forty or fifty five KCD talk station. He's going to
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Speaker 1: be making the rounds today in studio Russ Nobell, brother
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Speaker 1: of since a police chief three so A Thigi, talking
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Speaker 1: about this craziness going on in downtown.
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Speaker 2: So we get this.
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Speaker 1: What you describe, I believe is one sided report, and
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Speaker 1: I think that's an accurate assessment. There is nothing in
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Speaker 1: this law firm's report about police Chief Thiji's career that
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Speaker 1: is described as positive. There are no positive comments. People
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Speaker 1: were generally negative. The thirty two of the hundreds of
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Speaker 1: officers they chose to interview. We don't know how they
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Speaker 1: arrived with that group. You've already pointed out, Russ, that
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Speaker 1: some of the people who did talk to the law
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Speaker 1: firm actually did express positive things to say about Police
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Speaker 1: Chief Thiji, and yet surprisingly no reference to that in
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Speaker 1: the report. And then also I thought this was rather
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Speaker 1: interesting and perhaps telling. There was an attorney Brian Redd
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Speaker 1: and he's an employ I'm attorney that was interviewed by
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Speaker 1: Fox nineteen. He called the report bear. It doesn't reference
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Speaker 1: any specific witness notes, it doesn't have quotes in it.
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Speaker 1: But he also pointed out and I thought this was
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Speaker 1: rather interesting. He said, it raises a red flags the
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Speaker 1: introduction list as its third objective, determining whether the chief
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Speaker 1: committed any infraction or policy violation while serving as police chief,
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Speaker 1: and that, of course should have been the central focus
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Speaker 1: of the investigation, questioning like why do you bury the
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Speaker 1: lead with the third question being the most important, and
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Speaker 1: then you don't deal with it in the rest of
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Speaker 1: the report. There's nothing in here that says she did
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Speaker 1: something that justified termination, because there is none there.
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Speaker 3: You have it, and they're avoiding in that report if
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Speaker 3: you won't even call it a report. In that document,
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Speaker 3: there is no.
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Speaker 1: Evidence of such.
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Speaker 3: There's no mention of such, and we know with Terry's
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Speaker 3: history and everything that's come to fruition to this point,
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Speaker 3: there are none. And that's why you have an administrator
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Speaker 3: suspension in October six month half assed, backward slanted report
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Speaker 3: conducted or completed by an outside vendor law firm who
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Speaker 3: is clearly working under the direction of the city in
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Speaker 3: some way, shape or form. I make a point in
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Speaker 3: there yesterday, Brian. It's interesting to me one of the
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Speaker 3: opening sentences is that the Solicitor's office did not demand
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Speaker 3: any form of conclusion. And I find the word demand
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Speaker 3: very interesting. Red flag, red flag. That doesn't mean they
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Speaker 3: didn't request, discuss, suggest, and they think, yes, demand is
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Speaker 3: a very much a red flag.
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Speaker 1: It's a U law firm must reach this conclusion. I
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Speaker 1: agree that probably never ever there's no demand like that.
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Speaker 1: But of course, and I'm you know, having practiced law,
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Speaker 1: I know that you can hire an outside expert and
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Speaker 1: you could kind of nudge, nudge, wink wink, suggest to
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Speaker 1: them what outcome you want when they're looking at a
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Speaker 1: weld or whatever, and some will in fact sacrifice theroun,
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Speaker 1: morals and ethics to give you the result you want,
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Speaker 1: even though the forensic evidence doesn't necessarily support it. Oh shocking,
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Speaker 1: no one. So if nudge, nudge, wink wink, you know
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Speaker 1: a law firm, you might just get some additional work
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Speaker 1: from the City of Cincinnati. You know what we'd like
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Speaker 1: to see. We'd like to have a justification, we'd like
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Speaker 1: to have it, but we're not demanding it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I we believe the law firm recognizes there is
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Speaker 3: nothing in their worthy of termination for Terry, and they
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Speaker 3: compiled the slanted report on behalf of the city. It's
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Speaker 3: exactly what, to some degree, what we expected that report
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Speaker 3: to be from the onset. I've called it a mythical
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Speaker 3: narrative from the beginning. Mister rim termed it as a
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Speaker 3: hatchet job. And look what we have.
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Speaker 1: So I guess we need to figure out what the
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Speaker 1: next step is. I mean, I guess city Manager Cheryl
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Speaker 1: Long has the hire and fire authority insofar as who's
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Speaker 1: going to be police chief, and the chief is not
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Speaker 1: part of and correct me, Russ if I'm wrong, not
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Speaker 1: part of the collective bargaining agreement because she serves or
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Speaker 1: he is the case, maybe he serves at the whim
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Speaker 1: of the city manager and city government.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: Well, I am not the attorney, nor am I the expert,
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Speaker 3: but they are not part of the collective barting agreement.
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Speaker 3: But there are charter protections, okay, and that is what
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Speaker 3: will develop as time goes on, if I understand it correctly.
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Speaker 1: Well, I guess the only reason I want to say
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Speaker 1: that is because if this ayer was directed toward a
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Speaker 1: rank and file member of the since a police department,
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Speaker 1: that member would turn to the collective Bargaining Agreement and
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Speaker 1: that we would go through the process that is established
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Speaker 1: there in dealing with their employment situation.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and it is of interest here, Brian. Historically unions
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Speaker 3: and chiefs have some adversarial element to it, even though
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Speaker 3: they have a working relationship. The FOP president, King Kobra
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Speaker 3: has spoken out strongly not in support of Terry at
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Speaker 3: least as opposed to the process here and anything that
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Speaker 3: they are trying to achieve in the way they're going
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Speaker 3: about achieving it. So, while she's not under the Collective
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Speaker 3: barting Agreement, she is well respected by the rank and file.
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Speaker 3: She was well respected by the president of the FOP
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Speaker 3: as well as the board and the vice president, and
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Speaker 3: they have spoken on her behalf. So that speaks volumes.
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Speaker 1: It does indeed speak volumes. And you know what else
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Speaker 1: for Russ will take a break down, But what else
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Speaker 1: speaks volumes?
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Speaker 2: Huh.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about her performance reviews. Let's talk about how
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Speaker 1: the city at least perceived her up until the moment
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Speaker 1: she was placed on administrative leave. In their out loud
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Speaker 1: comments about the police chief.
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Speaker 3: Let me get into my files here, Brian, see if
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Speaker 3: I can find.
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Speaker 1: Those performance Yeah, I know, good luck. We'll come back,
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Speaker 1: and I don't think Russ will have achieved his objective
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Speaker 1: along those lines. Hold on, we'll come back with Russ
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Speaker 1: Neville seven five right now if you five Karose seven
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Speaker 1: forty nine here for the five kr CD talk station,
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Speaker 1: Brian Thomas, Russ Neville in studio, part of the Neville family.
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Speaker 1: Just an absolute blessing for the city of Cincinnati. Had
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Speaker 1: the Nevils in the police work for multiple how many generations?
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Speaker 1: Russ three three regenerations? That's amazing, and God bless each
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Speaker 1: and every one of you. Of course, a brother of
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Speaker 1: police chief Feeds you've been talking about this. Okay, So
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Speaker 1: we we roll up the neck. Last year, we got
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Speaker 1: the violence in the streets. We have police Chief Tiji
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Speaker 1: placed on administratively for mysterious unknown reasons. We got this
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Speaker 1: report that came out obviously biased, obviously one sided. There's
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Speaker 1: not a single positive thing to say about Police Chief
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Speaker 1: Theji except for the words that she articulated herself. The
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Speaker 1: only person identified in the report, police Chief Fiji. None
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Speaker 1: of the witnesses identified. Again, going back to only thirty
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Speaker 1: two individuals we're spoken with. Now we know that quite
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Speaker 1: a few of them, I don't know how many, but
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Speaker 1: have reached out to Russ and other members of the
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Speaker 1: Fiji family or the Neville family. Say, listen, I said
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Speaker 1: good things about it. They have only put in the
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Speaker 1: negative in this report. It's wrong, it's fair, it's unbiased.
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Speaker 1: But moving over to police chief Fiji. How many thirty
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Speaker 1: five years with the Cincinni Police Department, Russ, Yes, sir,
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Speaker 1: thirty five years, yes, sir. Now she was appointed the
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Speaker 1: chief of police correct now. Apparently they looked at her
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Speaker 1: background before they told her that she's going to be
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Speaker 1: the chief of police. I bet she's got a pretty
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Speaker 1: good long term record with the since any police department, Russ.
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Speaker 3: The review at the time appeared very thorough, and the
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Speaker 3: process was thorough, and she was selected by the city manager.
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Speaker 3: And she has performed with the expectations with the admirably.
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Speaker 1: Then up until the moment of times she was placed
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Speaker 1: on administrative leave. Do you recall, Mayor, I have to
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Speaker 1: have par all city Manager Cheryl Long any of the
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Speaker 1: members of council commenting negatively apply on her because it
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Speaker 1: seems to me, they had glowing praise for her in
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Speaker 1: that role.
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Speaker 3: No, there are none. Prior to the recall from Denver
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Speaker 3: for the purpose of a meeting which led to this.
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Speaker 3: Terry had no idea this was coming. There was not
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Speaker 3: no indicational everything positive. Matter of fact, Brian, I don't
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Speaker 3: do social media. Family does, and they have found clip
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Speaker 3: after clip after clip of positive statements, positive photos, everything
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Speaker 3: that you would have thought was a positive relationship.
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Speaker 1: And how often does one get a performance review?
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Speaker 3: Annually? Annually?
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Speaker 1: Okay, she was in the role as police chief for
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Speaker 1: a full year, was she? I believe it was two?
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Speaker 1: Two full years? And at any time did they bring
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Speaker 1: her in for a performance review?
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Speaker 3: No, And she was interim for a period of time, Pride,
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Speaker 3: It is true, Will, So not only did she have
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Speaker 3: the time as chief, they got to see what kind
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Speaker 3: of a performance she would provide and what kind of
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Speaker 3: a leader she would be during that interim time.
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Speaker 1: And what if they haven't done one under the normal course,
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Speaker 1: which is as you suggested, annually, if someone is engaging
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Speaker 1: in inappropriate conduct, has violated a police norm, is a
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Speaker 1: bad manager of people, generally speaking, and the city management,
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Speaker 1: like Cheryl Long, becomes aware of that would that prompt
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Speaker 1: a performance review or a sit down, a discussion.
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Speaker 3: It wouldn't prompt a review, an annual performance review. Those
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Speaker 3: should be done annually regardless, regardless of their circumstances. So
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Speaker 3: the failure to do that, I can't even begin to answer.
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Speaker 3: But they don't exist. They didn't happen. As far as
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Speaker 3: if there were any performance issues. Yes, the expectation would
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Speaker 3: be in any industry, not specific to law enforcement, in
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Speaker 3: any industry. And we've done it over the years with
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Speaker 3: personnel from the rank of po up through the rank
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Speaker 3: of captain that I'm have been involved and engaged in.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, you would sit them down, have a discussion,
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Speaker 3: document the discussion most of the time, some of it's
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Speaker 3: not a documented discussion, most of the time it is.
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Speaker 3: And then there's an expectation placed on what where their
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Speaker 3: shortcomings may be, what the expectator. It's a performance improvement.
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Speaker 1: Right corrective action plan.
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Speaker 2: Chief DG.
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Speaker 1: We think you're failing behind in these couple of areas.
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Speaker 1: Here's what we're going to recommend you do to turn
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Speaker 1: things around. Never not even there's no discussion like that
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Speaker 1: at all ever occurred.
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Speaker 3: None, zero, to the point that I have asked that
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Speaker 3: question of Terry numerous times, just to make sure my
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Speaker 3: answers are accurate. There have been none. And she had
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Speaker 3: no idea there was anything negative regarding the relationship, the interaction,
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Speaker 3: or her performance until until times until she went out
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Speaker 3: of town. And I think there was a statement by
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Speaker 3: the manager of the mayor at one point when somebody
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Speaker 3: asked a question during one of those incidents of violent crime,
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Speaker 3: and they had placed the thought or consideration that there
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Speaker 3: might be some association with Terry Terry's performance during that
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Speaker 3: incident or something.
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Speaker 1: But that was close in time to being placed extremely close,
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Speaker 1: that's my point, okay, But that up until that moment
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Speaker 1: in time, someone had a concern with her flying out
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Speaker 1: of town and going to that Denver conference of law
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Speaker 1: enforcement officers. Correct.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and at the direction and agreement with the manager
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Speaker 3: to be there to do so. And I think there
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Speaker 3: was even some discussion about, you know, go out and
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Speaker 3: regarding some of the circumstances and national standards and communicate
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Speaker 3: and interact and bring some information back.
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Speaker 1: To make the city police better. Yes, And she did
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Speaker 1: not know. How could she know She's told to go
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Speaker 1: to the conference, goes to the conference. She had no
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Speaker 1: idea this was going to unfold while she was gone.
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Speaker 1: The crime can happen eighty times. She's got to do
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Speaker 1: her job and get this information to bring it back.
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Speaker 3: It's part of her role, as part of any administrator's role.
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Speaker 3: And no, there was no indicat not to go, and
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Speaker 3: there was a purpose for going, and it was communicated
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Speaker 3: through and with.
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Speaker 1: Whomever job related functions very much.
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Speaker 3: And let me tell you, Terry's life outside of the family,
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Speaker 3: the grandkids and her kids obviously is critically important. But
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Speaker 3: her twenty four hours a day was focused on the
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Speaker 3: police department. It's not just during her time as chief.
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Speaker 3: It was time as captain, or time as assistant chief,
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Speaker 3: or time as executive, or time as chief. And that's
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Speaker 3: the way she is and that's the way she operated.
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Speaker 3: So yes, twenty four hours a day was on her
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Speaker 3: mind in some fashion, okay.
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Speaker 1: And so up until that moment in time, nothing but praise,
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Speaker 1: positive reviews and in fact, no performance reviews were even
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Speaker 1: bothered given, and no sit down meetings, nothing. I think
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Speaker 1: you'd established really a very clear record here, you know, Russ,
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Speaker 1: I think this is extremely important to talk about.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: I know there are listeners maybe in Claremont County or elsewhere.
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Speaker 1: I can have Mississippi. Janins all the ways back in town.
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Speaker 1: He listens for Mississippi. This may not be a topic
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Speaker 1: that really people think they can't relate to. Oh, this
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Speaker 1: is just a stupid city political matter, but no, the
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Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati has power control and influence their the
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Speaker 1: entire region. Whatever happens within the city of Cincinnati is
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Speaker 1: going to impact all of us. Hell, you may get
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Speaker 1: more residents in your surrounding county Claremont County, Warren County,
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Speaker 1: Butler County. You're going to benefit from people leaving the
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Speaker 1: city to find someplace safer to live. So this impacts broadly.
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Speaker 1: Plus it's also a reflection of government generally speaking and
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Speaker 1: how well elections do in fact have consequences. So whether
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Speaker 1: it's the city of Cincinnati, Columbus, Ohio, here in Iowa,
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Speaker 1: or Frankfurt, you know, this is the kind of activity
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Speaker 1: that happens all the time, So it really is important
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Speaker 1: to talk about it maybe a micro level of a
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Speaker 1: broader problem that exists on a macro level as well
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Speaker 1: in federal government. Russ Neville. I hope it all works
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Speaker 1: out the Chief DG's benefit, obviously, there's so many holes
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Speaker 1: in this report. I have a feeling her lawyer is
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Speaker 1: going to have a field day with it, and I
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Speaker 1: do expect litigation. I'm not asking you to comment on it.
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Speaker 1: I just see it coming down the road.
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Speaker 3: Russ are comment on the fact that there's an anticipation
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Speaker 3: of litigation, there's an anticipation of termination. And while I
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Speaker 3: don't mean this enough, we look forward to it positively,
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Speaker 3: like enjoyably. We do look forward to the opportunity for
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Speaker 3: Terry to be heard, for depositions to take be taken,
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Speaker 3: and we know who those deposed people, individuals, likely or
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Speaker 3: will be, and the truth will come out, the facts
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Speaker 3: will come out, and Terry will have her say, and
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Speaker 3: Terry will stand tall at the.
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Speaker 1: End, and we will patiently wait for that happened to happen.
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Speaker 1: Russ Neville, thank you for your time today and I
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Speaker 1: appreciate your advocacy on behalf of your sister and sort
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Speaker 1: of the broader topic of government around government runs generally.
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Speaker 1: We'll have you back in hopefully soon.
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Speaker 2: Russ. Have a great week end and marry and happy