Latest / Wall Friends / WoW to OSRS: AnnieFuchsia

Transcript

WoW to OSRS: AnnieFuchsia · Wall Friends

• 0:00
  Welcome back to this podcast miniseries Wow to Old School,
• 0:03
  where we're talking to Wow creators that jumped ship to Old
• 0:06
  School Runescape to kind of hear about all of their experiences,
• 0:09
  their perspectives, what they thought, how they're thinking.
• 0:12
  Just a whole lot of talking about two of the world's most
• 0:15
  popular MMORP GS today. I'm talking with someone who
• 0:18
  approaches games with 100% in mind, a Wow retail
• 0:22
  completionist, A guideless Old School Runescape player.
• 0:25
  You got to respect the play style.
• 0:28
  Enjoy this conversation with Annie Fuchsia.
• 0:40
  Annie, how long have you been playing World of Warcraft?
• 0:45
  Oh God, since 20? Let me think.
• 0:50
  Since 20 O 9/20 10:00-ish. So that's around 1516 years.
• 0:57
  What expansion was that? That was wrath it.
• 0:59
  Was wrath OK? Gotcha.
• 1:01
  So. I was kind of late to the party
• 1:05
  compared to a lot of people that I know these days, but yeah.
• 1:08
  Yeah, a lot of been a while, Even my friends that don't play
• 1:10
  anymore, they're always like, Oh yeah, I played when when it
• 1:13
  first came out and then they just stopped playing after like
• 1:16
  TBC. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:18
  But yeah, like most people I know have played since the
• 1:20
  beginning. And the people who've quit, they
• 1:23
  quit around wrestling. Yeah.
• 1:25
  I very weird. So yeah, I guess when you with
• 1:29
  all the classic stuff that happened, that was your first
• 1:31
  experience with actually playing classic and it's true vanilla
• 1:36
  form then like in 2019, cool. Right now there's like there's a
• 1:41
  ton of stuff going on with World of Warcraft right now with
• 1:45
  there's like the Legion remix that just came out.
• 1:48
  There's Mop classic, there's are they still doing Season of
• 1:54
  Discovery? Is that still happening over
• 1:56
  there? I think season discovery reached
• 1:58
  its end point if I'm not mistaken, but they are cooking
• 2:02
  up like a new sort of. I don't know if we should call
• 2:05
  it a new season or a new what, what would I call it?
• 2:08
  Like they, they, they did a few different versions of seasons of
• 2:12
  Classic, which is different from the regular Classic because they
• 2:15
  have the classic which goes from Classic into TBC into Wrath,
• 2:20
  Cataclysm, etcetera. So they have the regular run
• 2:22
  through of that. And then on the side they had
• 2:24
  these different projects that were named different things.
• 2:27
  Seasonal discovery, I think was the biggest and most popular
• 2:29
  one. And they have said that they're
• 2:31
  working on another one, but we we don't know yet anything about
• 2:34
  it. But they're cooking something,
• 2:36
  apparently, is what they said. Damn, it just seems like there's
• 2:39
  always new projects, like just different versions of Wow
• 2:44
  happening at all times over there so.
• 2:46
  Hard to keep up with. Yeah.
• 2:48
  Yeah, yeah, it kind of goes two ways.
• 2:50
  Because in, on one hand, that means the Wow players always
• 2:54
  have something to do, But for anyone who is just remotely
• 2:58
  casual in any capacity, they, they get a bit overwhelmed
• 3:02
  because it's like, OK, which one do I play now?
• 3:06
  Because especially when they, I think they released MOP Classic
• 3:09
  really close to a patch in retail.
• 3:12
  And there's definitely some overlap with the players between
• 3:15
  the two game modes. So some people decided to just
• 3:18
  focus on one of them because the other one happened at the same
• 3:20
  time. So yeah, it can definitely be
• 3:24
  overwhelming because there's so many different game modes that
• 3:27
  are available to play. Yeah, there's so many of them.
• 3:29
  It's it's been like that since I've first started.
• 3:32
  Like I think it was like 20/20/22 or 2023 is the first
• 3:36
  time I ever went into like look at World of Warcraft and it was
• 3:40
  already getting to that point. So they've definitely you.
• 3:43
  Had never played anywhile before that.
• 3:44
  No, never. Never.
• 3:46
  Ever. Oh, really?
• 3:47
  Yeah. It's my first time.
• 3:48
  Ever. Yeah, it was something I had
• 3:52
  wanted to do since I was like a little kid, and I didn't end up
• 3:55
  doing it until I was like 26 years old.
• 3:57
  Yeah, that's crazy. I feel like most people at least
• 4:01
  played a little bit at some point, maybe in Vanilla or TBC
• 4:05
  or something, just like a little bit.
• 4:07
  So that's that's kind of rare. That's crazy.
• 4:09
  Yeah, it was. It was really cool.
• 4:11
  Yeah, that means since you started playing, it's been a lot
• 4:13
  going on. Yeah, non-stop.
• 4:15
  There's always something going on.
• 4:16
  But given all that is going on, like all these game modes and
• 4:21
  all the the ruckus recently, what is your kind of general
• 4:26
  thoughts on the World of Warcraft world right now?
• 4:29
  Like when you look over at that community, at the game, just
• 4:33
  like collectively, what are your thoughts on World of Warcraft
• 4:37
  right now? I'm really split on what I think
• 4:40
  honestly, because I feel like I don't like that it's so split up
• 4:45
  into so many different projects. I would have preferred if
• 4:48
  there's just one game because it becomes a bit overwhelming and
• 4:54
  sometimes in terms of time as well, I feel like I can't keep
• 4:58
  up with everything. The classic run through is going
• 5:03
  kind of quickly. I was playing the classic
• 5:05
  classic so in 2019 and then I played classic TBC and I played
• 5:10
  a little bit of classic graph, but just barely.
• 5:13
  And then with Cataclysm and Mopi just haven't had time because
• 5:17
  I'm I'm trying to also keep up with things I'm doing in retail.
• 5:20
  And also I've been trying to play a lot more variety games in
• 5:23
  general these days and it's just impossible to keep up with
• 5:26
  everything. And the same with Seasonal
• 5:29
  Discovery. I think Seasonal Discovery was
• 5:31
  actually really cool game mode that came out out, but then that
• 5:34
  one also started ramping up pretty quickly in, in my book at
• 5:37
  least, maybe people thought it was slow.
• 5:39
  But from, from from my perspective, it's like, oh, like
• 5:43
  everyone's level 20 right now. This is the IT level, you know,
• 5:46
  And then suddenly you're like, OK, now it's level 30 and
• 5:48
  there's a new dungeon, new raid or new something.
• 5:50
  And then now everybody has to be level 40 and now it's 50.
• 5:53
  And from my perspective, it felt too fast.
• 5:57
  And I think that's the general feeling I have with Wow overall,
• 6:02
  because Wow has this vertical progression that is replicated
• 6:08
  in all of the different game modes.
• 6:10
  And it's just so difficult to keep up with because if you are
• 6:14
  gone for some time and want to come back, you, you have to 1st
• 6:19
  work hard to catch up with where everybody else is.
• 6:22
  So when I was trying to get back to season discovery in phase
• 6:25
  four, I think it was, I don't even remember exactly.
• 6:27
  I I discovered, well, I first need to level up and then I need
• 6:31
  to do that. It is I need to do that and then
• 6:33
  I can, you know, join with the new content that's out.
• 6:36
  And it feels, it feels a bit demotivating or like just not so
• 6:43
  appealing when you realize that you have to work to a certain
• 6:47
  point to then be, you know, attending the party.
• 6:51
  And I think that's something that's sort of repeated across
• 6:55
  the entire franchise in all the different Wow modes.
• 6:59
  So ultimately what I decided to do was just focus retail because
• 7:03
  that's the main game that I've spent the most time in.
• 7:06
  And that's where I've been, you know, committing to.
• 7:10
  I don't know if you're aware of how I play the game, but I, I
• 7:13
  normally go for like achievements and all of most of
• 7:17
  my achievements and things are on my retail account.
• 7:20
  So I just decide that that's probably the best time spent for
• 7:24
  me to continue that commitment rather than, you know, half
• 7:29
  playing all of these other different modes instead.
• 7:32
  Yeah, yeah, I, I was kind of thinking about that, trying to
• 7:35
  grasp all the different game modes of, you know, what that's
• 7:39
  actually doing to the player base.
• 7:41
  Because I have noticed that in contrast to the Runescape world,
• 7:47
  where it's a pretty distinct line between Runescape 3 and old
• 7:52
  school players, World of Warcraft players are pretty.
• 7:57
  They've got some variety to their, their world of Warcrafts.
• 8:00
  Like they're like, there are some people that are exclusive
• 8:03
  to just classic or like anniversary servers, whatever.
• 8:06
  But there's also a lot of players that dive into all of
• 8:09
  them. Like they don't have a problem
• 8:10
  going into all of them. And I can only imagine how tough
• 8:13
  it is to keep up with everything because of just the the
• 8:16
  structure of Wow servers and expansions and new patches.
• 8:23
  I could definitely see that being like completely like
• 8:26
  scatterbrained about it and not knowing what to prioritize.
• 8:31
  It sounds pretty pretty rough to try and keep.
• 8:34
  Up honestly. Yeah, for sure.
• 8:35
  Honestly, I sometimes wonder if Blizzard is confused themselves.
• 8:39
  For example, when MOP Classic came out almost at the same time
• 8:45
  as the retail patch, I felt a bit like question mark, question
• 8:48
  mark, because MOP classic is pretty retailing like it's not
• 8:53
  very classic classic and um, a lot of the classic players have
• 8:58
  overtime fallen off because the game is getting closer and
• 9:02
  closer to what retail is. So it's not really for them
• 9:04
  anymore. And then a lot of retail gamers
• 9:06
  are feeling like, oh, this is starting to get to the
• 9:09
  expansions that I was playing the most.
• 9:12
  So I feel like that overlap of players is becoming more retail.
• 9:16
  And considering that I was always confused why Blizzard
• 9:20
  would then put both of those patches like a week away from
• 9:23
  each other or two weeks. Maybe it was, I'm not sure
• 9:26
  because that that felt very counter active.
• 9:30
  It didn't really didn't really make sense in my head to make
• 9:34
  the retail people kind of like compete with themselves because
• 9:38
  it's like that. That's a great retail expansion.
• 9:41
  And the dates didn't really make sense to me because if we look
• 9:44
  at a lot of Classic players like Guzu, for example, since you're
• 9:48
  familiar with him, since he plays a lot of Runescape now, he
• 9:51
  never played Mr. Pandaria originally, like ever.
• 9:55
  So he's never played it. Yeah.
• 9:56
  And I think that's the case for a lot of Classic people because
• 9:59
  they quit way before that because, because for them, the
• 10:02
  game became more retail at that point.
• 10:04
  So it's like less interesting. And I think that's, I sometimes
• 10:10
  feel that Blizzard maybe didn't really realize that a lot of
• 10:13
  Classic people have fallen off at that point.
• 10:15
  And MOP might in fact be a bit more interesting for retail
• 10:20
  people. Yeah, it does kind of seem like
• 10:23
  Blizzard trying to like, claw and scratch for the right
• 10:26
  answer, almost. And they're just, there's so
• 10:28
  many. It's so complicated.
• 10:29
  Yeah, yeah, it's so difficult. What are they supposed to do?
• 10:32
  Yeah. Because I might be completely
• 10:34
  wrong too. And maybe, maybe there's no
• 10:36
  clear answer really. It's just.
• 10:39
  Definitely seems that way. Yeah, there is.
• 10:41
  It's hard to, it's hard to like know where the grey zone turns
• 10:45
  into like white or black. Yeah, it's, it's just so tough.
• 10:49
  To rewind for a second, I wanted to touch on something that you
• 10:51
  had mentioned because I actually had it as a point to ask you
• 10:55
  about of just your, your general background of your play style
• 11:01
  and like your vibe of approaching World of Warcraft.
• 11:04
  Because the last guy I talked to Ampie that dude.
• 11:08
  Yeah. He's a gamer.
• 11:10
  He is like, yeah, on another level of of just like
• 11:14
  competitive hardcore speed run, just craziness, like polar
• 11:19
  opposite of my play style. So it it's very interesting
• 11:23
  seeing how all of like basically everybody who's trying old
• 11:26
  school looking back and seeing what kind of player they are.
• 11:29
  You, you said that you're more of like a collector.
• 11:31
  So is that like kind of how you approach Wow, like most versions
• 11:35
  of it, you just kind of like want to do like a completionist
• 11:37
  thing? Yes, pretty much.
• 11:39
  I didn't really bother doing it too much with Classic Wow
• 11:42
  because I felt like, well, this is the old game of what I'm
• 11:46
  currently playing anyways, like retail, so I didn't really go
• 11:49
  for achievements there. But whenever I play something
• 11:53
  new in general, that's generally the mindset I have.
• 11:56
  So this sense to any kind of games, like when I play RP GS, I
• 12:01
  like 200% games. I like to get all the
• 12:03
  achievements. So if I, if I'm just going to
• 12:06
  throw some games out there like Cyberpunk, Hogwarts Legacy,
• 12:11
  Space Marine two I'm working on now, I have like 2 achievements
• 12:14
  left. The the most random games you
• 12:16
  can think of. Like I, I, I go for 100%
• 12:19
  achievements because I like to just complete that platinum
• 12:23
  trophy. I don't know, that's how I like
• 12:25
  playing things. I just like collecting
• 12:26
  everything. And yeah, and that's the main
• 12:30
  way that I would play World of Warcraft as well.
• 12:32
  But one thing which is I guess a bit of a fun fact, I did go for
• 12:38
  server first level 90 back in original MOP Classic.
• 12:42
  Sorry, not MOP classic, just original MOP.
• 12:46
  So I did have, you know, a teeny weeny experience that ompi.
• 12:52
  I mean his is more like on the world basis.
• 12:55
  Mine was just my server. Yeah in my class, but I did get
• 13:00
  level 91st on my server. That's insane to get to be the
• 13:04
  first person. Yeah, that's nuts.
• 13:07
  Yeah, I just spent time like leveling from 85 to 90 multiple
• 13:12
  times and I made a whole route and everything and I made a
• 13:15
  whole plan and then I just stayed up all night and I think
• 13:17
  I, I think I got to Max level and seven hours, seven, 7 1/2
• 13:22
  hours or something like that. So it wasn't as hardcore as the
• 13:25
  stuff MP does, but yeah, yeah, I got like a run first.
• 13:29
  It's a healthier goal to go for then.
• 13:33
  Yeah, a little bit more reasonable, but I get it though.
• 13:36
  It like the adrenaline of being speedy.
• 13:38
  And because this was before I was streaming and people were
• 13:42
  like whispering me like, hey, like do you stream?
• 13:44
  Like I want to see what you're doing because people can like
• 13:46
  slash who the person. Yeah.
• 13:48
  And it was really exciting, like being able to compete like that.
• 13:52
  It was fun, but overall the way that I generally enjoy the game
• 13:57
  or games in general is just exploring everything.
• 14:00
  Do everything that's possible to do, especially if it's tracked.
• 14:04
  Like do every dungeon, explore every zone, any kind of random
• 14:08
  activity, just everything. Gotcha.
• 14:10
  That's always a surefire way to kind of enjoy a game to the
• 14:14
  fullest because you don't miss anything if you're trying to
• 14:17
  like 100% it. So that's.
• 14:19
  Yeah, that's good. It's just a little more daunting
• 14:23
  to have that mindset towards like Mmos in general just
• 14:27
  because if you're going into an MMO that's been around for 10
• 14:30
  plus years, it's like, Oh yeah, completionist is a little
• 14:34
  difficult suddenly, but. Yeah, it takes a long time.
• 14:38
  Definitely. It also allows you to discover
• 14:41
  really random things sometimes that you realize.
• 14:44
  Most people will never experience this because it's not
• 14:47
  needed for anything in Runescape.
• 14:49
  I can see that so much as well, and I I think being this kind of
• 14:56
  completionist gamer playing a game like Runescape makes it a
• 15:00
  lot of fun too, because you get to explore everything and you
• 15:04
  learn the game at a much slower but deeper level.
• 15:11
  Definitely. Yeah, that's the way that I
• 15:13
  enjoy things. Yeah, it's definitely a good
• 15:15
  game designed for exploration and and definitely collecting.
• 15:20
  Collecting is is. Yeah.
• 15:22
  A huge, huge thing people look forward to on Old School.
• 15:26
  And skilling, skilling because I like, you know, that's a big
• 15:29
  part too, because what you want to do when, when you like to
• 15:33
  grind and collect and things like that, having progression
• 15:37
  bars is like addictive. It's like, OK, I need to Max
• 15:40
  this one. So yeah, no, Runescape has that
• 15:43
  with all of the skills and stuff.
• 15:46
  Like when I see that, I'm like, come on, on Blizzard, why do we
• 15:49
  only have two professions? Like, let me have all of them.
• 15:51
  Yeah, yeah. The professions, It's it's
• 15:53
  really good. How is that, by the way, being
• 15:56
  able to, you know, if you see a tree and you could chop it, or
• 15:59
  if you see an oar, you can go mine it and you don't have to
• 16:01
  worry about what profession you are.
• 16:03
  It's got to be kind of nice. Yeah, yes, it is.
• 16:06
  And it, it really builds on the horizontal progression that I
• 16:09
  think is so good in Mmos, but that I don't know, Wow always
• 16:16
  kind of went the other way. But I I I think horizontal
• 16:19
  progression is so good. I definitely prefer it after
• 16:22
  experiencing different versions of Wow and different Mmos that
• 16:26
  kind of mimic Wow, horizontal progression just feels much more
• 16:31
  satisfying because there's so many more things that feel
• 16:35
  satisfying, like achievements that are possible and
• 16:37
  everything. And you take a break.
• 16:39
  You come back and you continue. You don't feel like you missed
• 16:42
  anything. Yeah, definitely.
• 16:43
  On top of all of the Wows, all the versions of them, there's
• 16:49
  possibly a discussion going on, at least amongst the Wow
• 16:54
  creators talking about this mysterious sought after classic
• 17:00
  Plus. Are you one of those?
• 17:02
  That's that is hoping to see a classic plus or is it not really
• 17:08
  one of the you don't want to add any more Wows into the the
• 17:11
  archives. Honestly, no, honestly, I'm
• 17:13
  really curious about it because I actually think Classic Plus is
• 17:18
  the best potential to add more horizontal progress.
• 17:22
  So that's kind of what I'm hoping for.
• 17:24
  I'm hoping for, you know, level cap 60.
• 17:26
  Don't go above that and add more content at that level.
• 17:31
  Add more different kinds of gearing or skilling systems that
• 17:37
  doesn't require you to level up, doesn't require your gear to be
• 17:41
  completely useless after some time.
• 17:44
  I don't know if I have that much confidence in Blizzard being
• 17:47
  able to keep it up in the way where it's going to last long
• 17:51
  term, but that is something that I'm definitely looking forward
• 17:57
  to. And I, I hope I, I, I think I
• 17:59
  think it does have some potential.
• 18:00
  I think it could be really fun. And my hope is that, especially
• 18:04
  with the recent interest in Runescape, that Blizzard will
• 18:07
  take that to heart and hopefully, you know, take some
• 18:11
  lessons from that to see if they could create something.
• 18:14
  Because I think people are kind of tired of the vertical
• 18:18
  progression which happens in every single Wow mode.
• 18:20
  Yeah, hopefully they do take some notes.
• 18:22
  Hopefully there's somebody bringing it up in the in the
• 18:24
  board meetings. Yeah, yeah, I really hope so
• 18:28
  because I know Fun and fantasy 14.
• 18:30
  I don't know if you were aware of it, but there was a big surge
• 18:33
  of interest in FF14 like 4 years ago or so.
• 18:35
  A lot of Wow streamers were testing it out.
• 18:38
  Kind of similar to what happened to Runescape now.
• 18:40
  Yeah, OK. So I, I think Blizzard in retail
• 18:45
  did learn a lot from them. I I think that's one of the
• 18:47
  reasons that we have housing now, for example, or, well, it's
• 18:50
  coming. I think Fun Fantasy was the game
• 18:55
  that introduced the idea of housing to a lot of wild
• 18:57
  players, including myself. I had no interest in housing
• 19:00
  beforehand. I had no idea why people want
• 19:02
  housing and then I experienced it in FF14.
• 19:04
  I was like, wait, this is actually so cool.
• 19:07
  Like the the potential and you don't have to be a weird RP
• 19:10
  person to enjoy it. Obviously the RP people will
• 19:12
  enjoy it, but even like regular people because you have a place
• 19:16
  where you can hang out and like you can have events and you can,
• 19:19
  well, even if you don't do the social aspect of it, just having
• 19:22
  your own house, being able to customize it, like that's such a
• 19:25
  cozy and nice feeling. So yeah, I, I think Blizzard
• 19:29
  took a lot from the FF14 popularity and I'm hoping that
• 19:35
  they will take some stuff from Runescape now because I think
• 19:38
  that's what Classic Plus needs a bit of influence from other
• 19:41
  games that have done really well in a sort of horizontal
• 19:45
  progression way. Because I think that's the
• 19:49
  potential secret of having Classic be interesting for a
• 19:52
  longer period of time. Yeah, if they're definitely, if
• 19:55
  they're able to find a way to integrate the horizontal
• 19:58
  progression system into the structure of this, like, you
• 20:02
  know, the theme park experience of Wow, if you if they're able
• 20:06
  to find more ways to do that, then I think that's going to be
• 20:10
  the most successful approach for something like Classic Plus.
• 20:14
  But also, you know, they should have looked at Runescape far,
• 20:18
  far before old school ever existed because.
• 20:23
  You know, we've been having housing over here since 2006,
• 20:26
  so. I heard you.
• 20:28
  Know we've we've been ahead of the game a little bit with that
• 20:31
  stuff, but it is cool to see like, you know, being able to
• 20:36
  integrate it because obviously the the Final Fantasy and and
• 20:39
  wow have a lot more similarities from a structural standpoint.
• 20:43
  So it's good that they are looking over at at Final Fantasy
• 20:47
  to kind of see how they can integrate successful features
• 20:50
  like that. If there is ever a classic plus
• 20:53
  sort of situation, they'll. Take, I do think more things
• 20:57
  like that right now, Hopefully that would be great.
• 21:00
  I feel like they've kind of hinted at least.
• 21:01
  So I hope they don't disappoint because yeah.
• 21:04
  Yeah, who knows. So I guess to transition from
• 21:07
  there, I guess we'll talk about Old School Runescape a little
• 21:10
  bit. You were obviously a part of
• 21:11
  this, this mass migration of Wow players.
• 21:16
  It was very fast. It felt like everyone kind of
• 21:20
  came over within the same like 2 weeks.
• 21:23
  Just suddenly we're all experiencing old school for the
• 21:26
  first time. But you personally, what was
• 21:29
  your initial reason for seeing everybody try out the game and
• 21:34
  wanting to try it out yourself? So for me personally, I've, I've
• 21:38
  had phases of just testing out a lot of type of games like I did
• 21:44
  Final Fantasy 14 back when that happened, which was it was kind
• 21:49
  of random. I think I was one of the first,
• 21:50
  if not the first wild player who was playing Final Fantasy 14.
• 21:53
  And I was enjoying it and I noticed my audience was enjoying
• 21:57
  it too. So I was like, OK, well this is
• 21:59
  nice. Let's get into it properly.
• 22:01
  And I had such a different experience because for the first
• 22:04
  time, I was actually reading quests.
• 22:08
  Yeah, because I never read them in Wow.
• 22:11
  I always had an add on that just makes me skip everything and
• 22:14
  just go on to the next thing. Right, Right.
• 22:16
  So in Final Fantasy 14, I was told immediately, no, you need
• 22:20
  to like, get into the store. And I was like.
• 22:22
  Oh, OK, sure. Those players love gassing up
• 22:25
  that story. Yeah.
• 22:26
  That they. Yeah, they'll all die on that
• 22:29
  hill, Yeah. For me, that was a completely
• 22:31
  different experience, but I was like, OK, that's interesting.
• 22:34
  Like sure, I'll, I'll try that. So so I did and I ended up
• 22:38
  having a lot of fun in it. Ever since then, people have
• 22:42
  been more interested in general to also see me play other memos.
• 22:47
  So I, I've checked out ESO, for example, Elder Scrolls Online
• 22:51
  and I've checked and not just Mmos, actually also just RPGs.
• 22:54
  So I've, I've played a lot of different type of games and I've
• 22:58
  completed a lot of them as well. 100% achievement on some of them
• 23:02
  and just different things. And Routescape specifically, it
• 23:06
  is a game that has been mentioned in my community as
• 23:08
  well. And I was like, yes, I want to
• 23:10
  do it, I just don't know when. Same thing with like Guild Wars
• 23:13
  2. That's another game that's on my
• 23:15
  like bucket list, another game I really need to check out because
• 23:18
  I've heard a lot of good things about it.
• 23:19
  I just haven't found the right time because Mmos are so
• 23:21
  difficult. You don't want to go in for just
• 23:23
  a day or two. Like you want to put in more
• 23:25
  time to like get a good feel for it, you know?
• 23:29
  So with Runescape and Guild Wars 2, and I think there's like a
• 23:34
  Star Wars MMO as well. These games, I had considered
• 23:38
  them, but I just didn't know when I'm going to do it with
• 23:41
  then seeing some people like Kuzu and I think at the time
• 23:46
  maybe it was only him. I don't remember seeing him
• 23:49
  anyways play it. And I got more people than
• 23:52
  saying, well, Amy, you were going to play Runescape, right?
• 23:54
  Right. So why aren't you playing it
• 23:56
  now? Like this is the perfect time.
• 23:57
  And I was like, I was like, yeah, maybe, maybe.
• 23:59
  And then I gave it like a week or two or something.
• 24:01
  And then I was like, OK, fine, You know what?
• 24:03
  Sure. Because people, people were
• 24:05
  like, I mean, now you now is the right time.
• 24:08
  Like, what are you waiting for at this point?
• 24:11
  And I was like, yeah, you know what, You're right.
• 24:13
  I think this is the right time. If, if everyone now is like
• 24:17
  opening their eyes to it, it's it's probably the right time to
• 24:20
  check it out. And yeah, so the reasoning is I
• 24:23
  love checking out games. I love Mmos in general.
• 24:26
  And there's a few Mmos that's on my sort of like list that I
• 24:29
  really want to play because I've heard a lot of great things
• 24:31
  about them. And this felt like the the right
• 24:34
  time because everybody were wanting me to play it.
• 24:37
  At the end of the day, if we want to play a game, if our
• 24:41
  audience loves it and if other people love to watch us play it,
• 24:44
  it makes us be able to put in more time into it and enjoy it
• 24:48
  properly. So it's, it's a huge positive.
• 24:51
  It's really nice. Definitely prior to making an
• 24:54
  account and, you know, logging in for the first time, what kind
• 24:59
  of expectations did you have for old school as like a as a game?
• 25:03
  Because I'm assuming was this the first time that you had ever
• 25:07
  logged into any form of Runescape or had you tried it
• 25:10
  like 15 years ago for a second or?
• 25:13
  Never tried it. Never tried it.
• 25:14
  First time ever. So I'd seen pictures of the game
• 25:17
  here and there, yeah, but that's about it.
• 25:19
  I never watched it and never played it.
• 25:21
  So what kind of expectations, given a screenshot or two that
• 25:26
  you've seen or a clip, what were you expecting to to experience
• 25:31
  in this game? I think I was expecting a sort
• 25:35
  of like a low Polygon classic Wow.
• 25:37
  Yeah. Yeah, I think that's what I was
• 25:39
  expecting. I think there's definitely some
• 25:41
  things that does remind me of classic Wow, but it's still so
• 25:45
  different at the same time. And I think the most mind
• 25:48
  blowing part of the whole thing is definitely all the different
• 25:52
  skills, like being able to work on so many different things
• 25:56
  straight off the bat. Like immediately that's what I'm
• 25:59
  like. Oh, just like one day in oh, I
• 26:01
  get it. I know what people are addicted
• 26:03
  to. Yeah, it happens very fast when
• 26:06
  you start seeing all the skills interact with each other,
• 26:09
  intertwine, everything working together.
• 26:11
  It's like, OK, I get it. Like this just makes.
• 26:13
  Sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 26:14
  It's like, I get it. I get it.
• 26:16
  What about things like clicking to move?
• 26:18
  Was that weird at all? Like have you played many games
• 26:20
  that where you Click to move your character around?
• 26:23
  Yeah, the movement was a bit weird.
• 26:25
  I don't think I've actually probably played any game like
• 26:27
  that. I mean, there's like League of
• 26:28
  Legends, I guess, which is like the closest I would say in
• 26:33
  general. Yeah, that was, that was
• 26:35
  different. I got used to it pretty quickly.
• 26:37
  So it wasn't that bad. It was different.
• 26:38
  My friend that came over from only fangs to try it for the
• 26:42
  first time with that big wave. His biggest gripe was, you know,
• 26:47
  the the whole tick system that the game runs on of like, you
• 26:51
  know, clicking on a square and then your guy might not move for
• 26:55
  like a millisecond, like a noticeable millisecond.
• 26:58
  So it's kind of like a little weird to get used to, especially
• 27:01
  if the ping is off. Like you just never know.
• 27:03
  Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I, I agree with that.
• 27:06
  I I think the the reaction or like the I guess it's like a
• 27:10
  feeling of responsiveness felt off for sure compared to what I
• 27:14
  was used to. Yeah, because in World of
• 27:16
  Warcraft it's like buttery smooth WASD, like instant
• 27:20
  responses like it obviously unless there's huge lag spikes
• 27:23
  or something, but you're most part it is just.
• 27:26
  You're. Yeah, it's.
• 27:28
  Really immersed in your character, moving exactly where
• 27:31
  and when you want. So it's a it's definitely a
• 27:34
  different vibe entirely. I I think it's the movement
• 27:36
  specifically is one of Wow's greatest strengths in general.
• 27:39
  Oh yeah, definitely. Even even people who hate the
• 27:42
  game, we'll admit. Yeah, like the the movement in
• 27:45
  combat is super smooth, feels so nice, very responsive.
• 27:49
  Yeah, definitely. So it's so going from that to
• 27:53
  point click and then also make a bit of responsive delay or like
• 27:57
  a tick system that that that was definitely jarring, at least for
• 28:01
  some time. But it's it's so bad.
• 28:04
  Like, I think it's still fine. I think when you're just moving
• 28:07
  around and doing relatively simple quests, I don't think
• 28:10
  it's that big of a deal. I do think PvP makes it feel,
• 28:16
  it's like a it's like a first realization when you start
• 28:19
  playing the game and then you get used to it and it's fine.
• 28:21
  And then you play PvP and it's like, oh, OK, wait, this is
• 28:23
  really awkward PvP entirely. Yeah.
• 28:29
  Because then you really feel the tick part again and it's like,
• 28:32
  oh, OK, wait. It's the shock of the delay
• 28:34
  again, it's actually crazy, like some of the PvP things I've seen
• 28:38
  from people like with the the gear switching and everything,
• 28:41
  like people are actually insane. Yeah, it's an entirely different
• 28:45
  universe of Runescape with PvP. It's it's that stuff.
• 28:49
  PvP. It's almost like I feel like I
• 28:51
  could throw new players off just by looking at it, not even
• 28:54
  trying it, but just looking at it.
• 28:55
  It could be like, I'm never going to try anything to do with
• 28:58
  that. It's very terrifying looking,
• 29:01
  but. It is so.
• 29:02
  Do you, do you remember like your first, I don't know about 7
• 29:06
  days of playing? This is your first week of
• 29:09
  consistently logging in and playing like what your first
• 29:11
  impressions of old school was. I from a person who likes
• 29:17
  progression and collecting and things like that, I, I loved it.
• 29:23
  Honestly. It was so easy to get into.
• 29:25
  I immediately see different skills I can progress and I
• 29:29
  think it's maybe a little bit overwhelming, but as soon as I
• 29:35
  was guided to follow the what was it called, the advisory on
• 29:40
  the what is it called? Oh yeah, the activity advisor,
• 29:43
  whatever it's called. Activity, yeah, once I got used
• 29:46
  to using that, it was really smooth because I would just
• 29:49
  choose, you know, OK, next quest, OK, next quest.
• 29:52
  And then you could also clearly see like what this quest
• 29:54
  requires the skill and it's like, oh OK, I can work on the
• 29:57
  skill. And then I had something to like
• 30:00
  follow. There was like there was a plan.
• 30:02
  There was a red thread. When I was able to start using
• 30:04
  that, it started feeling really smooth.
• 30:07
  That's so funny that you mention that because well, a little
• 30:11
  background, when Soda Poppin first started his old school
• 30:14
  stuff, his, I don't know if it was his chat or something had
• 30:19
  told him, you know, follow the activity advisor and that's what
• 30:23
  he did, which it took him. I think it went from doing
• 30:28
  Witch's potion to goblin diplomacy to Ernest the Chicken,
• 30:35
  like all those free to play quests and he's going in blind.
• 30:38
  He was insisting on going in blind doing like no guides.
• 30:42
  And if you do those quests, like those very simple free to play
• 30:46
  quests that were put into the game in like 2003, it's
• 30:49
  miserable if you don't know where to go or what to do like
• 30:52
  they are. So they're insuffering.
• 30:56
  I enjoyed that because I played no quest guide too, did you and
• 31:00
  I? Yes, I did.
• 31:02
  You know, the quest is a goblin diplomacy.
• 31:04
  I think that was the one. The one or the one of the ones?
• 31:07
  Yes. Yeah.
• 31:07
  So in the end, when they asked for a brown 1, you know what I
• 31:11
  did? I was like, OK, wait, let's
• 31:15
  think about this. OK, if you, if you mix, OK, if
• 31:18
  you mix yellow with this, then you get this color.
• 31:20
  OK, so now we have we have green and then we have so yellow and
• 31:24
  blue got green, blue and red got purple.
• 31:27
  If you mix green and purple, I'm pretty sure that becomes brown.
• 31:30
  I was trying to create a brown piece of armor.
• 31:34
  It's very understandable, yeah. I was walking because I didn't
• 31:38
  realize that they asked for the original.
• 31:40
  So I was walking everywhere and I, I got, I had to farm.
• 31:43
  I think I had to re farm some of the parts to create the dyes.
• 31:46
  And then I tried to like put it together and then it didn't
• 31:49
  work. I couldn't like I can't mix
• 31:51
  green with purple. It just wouldn't work.
• 31:53
  And I was like, OK, I don't know what I'm supposed to do now.
• 31:56
  OK, let me go and talk to them again.
• 31:57
  Maybe they'll give me another hint.
• 31:59
  That's so funny. Either I had to talk to them or
• 32:01
  I read the Quest blog. I don't remember which one it
• 32:03
  was, but I, I, I basically opted in to just, let's see if I can
• 32:06
  get some more information. And then they mentioned the
• 32:09
  original color and I was like, or like original form.
• 32:13
  And I was like, Oh no. Yeah, just gave you the
• 32:16
  punchline of the whole quest to let you know what to do next,
• 32:20
  basically. Yeah, yeah, I was legitimately
• 32:23
  trying to create a brown dye and I think I did Google in the end
• 32:28
  and I was right. It is supposed to give brown
• 32:31
  whatever the mixture was. Was it green and purple?
• 32:33
  I don't remember. It actually does mix to become
• 32:35
  brown, but it just didn't work in the game.
• 32:37
  Yeah. So yeah.
• 32:39
  I needed to too many. Layers.
• 32:40
  Too many layers there for the game to understand.
• 32:43
  Yeah, like mix the dyes once, not twice, Yeah, but no, Yeah,
• 32:47
  there was a lot of things like that though.
• 32:48
  And I think that's also what made the game enjoyable,
• 32:51
  figuring things out because you have to read everything.
• 32:55
  I mean, even now because I, I still continue, I'm still guide
• 32:59
  less when I play. And I've gotten into like a
• 33:02
  habit of, OK, I need to talk to every embassy that's like
• 33:05
  related to anything. And I need to keep reading the
• 33:08
  quest information in case it's updated.
• 33:11
  And I need to also always note whatever items I've picked up
• 33:14
  from this quest. And then also I need to note
• 33:18
  what quests were required for this quest, because I need to go
• 33:22
  and check back at that quest to see what rewards were given from
• 33:26
  that quest because it might be related to what I'm doing now
• 33:29
  and or like, or what, what skill is required.
• 33:32
  Oh, like 33 magic. OK, I'm probably gonna need
• 33:35
  telekinesis for something. Yeah.
• 33:37
  So like, I, I've, I've had to like, get into all of that
• 33:40
  stuff. And honestly, I think that's
• 33:42
  what makes it so fun. Definitely 100%.
• 33:45
  There's not too many players that that approach the game that
• 33:47
  way, but I think that is always going to be the best way to
• 33:51
  experience old school if exploration is something that
• 33:55
  you really, really enjoy. So that's awesome that you're
• 33:58
  experiencing that way. To touch on the activity advisor
• 34:01
  thing again to what I told Soda, the reason why he went to the
• 34:05
  activity advisor because basically I don't know if you
• 34:07
  did this as well of opening the advisor and going top down, like
• 34:12
  just let the top thing kind of serve as like what you do next.
• 34:16
  I asked. I would ask the chat to pick one
• 34:19
  from the ones that are advised. Yeah, OK.
• 34:21
  That's what I. Guess in a way I was guided to
• 34:24
  One Direction like I'd say that I would say, OK, these three are
• 34:27
  currently available, which one should I go for?
• 34:29
  And then they would say this one, OK, I'll go for that one.
• 34:31
  Cuz choosing it like top down, like on to the next.
• 34:34
  Yeah, he was just choosing like top one and then next top one,
• 34:37
  next top 1. And I was like, that is his Wow
• 34:40
  brain being totally present in Old School Runescape.
• 34:44
  Like the whole linear. This is the next step I take.
• 34:47
  Here's what I do next sort of thing, because that is 20 years
• 34:51
  of playing World of Warcraft of like taking a linear path and
• 34:54
  going on that ride to, you know, level.
• 34:56
  Can you not do it that way? Because it it makes sense in my
• 34:59
  brain to do that. Yeah, yeah, he like you could
• 35:01
  totally do it that way too. But it's almost like, it's
• 35:05
  almost like you're restricting yourself in a way, like a like a
• 35:08
  self-imposed restriction in in old school because there's just
• 35:13
  you can play any way you want. Like you are not confined to any
• 35:18
  sort of guide or a task list or anything.
• 35:23
  It's a weird concept to grasp if like World of Warcraft has been
• 35:28
  your grind for the last 15 years.
• 35:32
  You know, it's hard to go from theme park to sandbox sort of
• 35:37
  thing. So from like a Runescape POV
• 35:40
  then or like a Runescape person POV, how would you expect people
• 35:45
  to do that instead? Because when you tell me that he
• 35:48
  use it activity advisor and he was picking the first quest
• 35:51
  there and like would continue that progress for me that makes
• 35:54
  sense. But maybe that's my wild brain.
• 35:56
  So what would you think is like the thing that would make sense
• 35:59
  for you instead? Well, it's a hard question to
• 36:03
  answer because my first account was in like 2006.
• 36:06
  My Runescape looked like this Runescape initially.
• 36:09
  It was like, you know, if you had played classic back when it
• 36:12
  was actually classic you. Know.
• 36:15
  It's really tough for me to kind of envision not only a, a new
• 36:20
  player, but a new adult player to like be in their shoes
• 36:25
  because like, we were all just kids playing back then as our
• 36:28
  first experience. So it's, it's a whole different,
• 36:31
  I guess, mindset of, you know, that whimsical feeling of
• 36:34
  exploration and not knowing what's efficient.
• 36:38
  And I like, I gave soda a whole Google document of all of these
• 36:44
  things that were really in no way efficient.
• 36:47
  Like but I wanted to to go experience different things in
• 36:51
  the game that the game would never directly tell him to go
• 36:55
  try. Like I had him go make his own
• 36:57
  bronze armor like I like nowhere in the game.
• 37:00
  Oh you gave him quests? Like kinda I was just like go
• 37:04
  experience this, like go mine some tin and copper, make some
• 37:06
  make some armor sort of thing. And then I gave him some things
• 37:10
  that were efficient, but, you know, just letting him know that
• 37:15
  like, you know, this is the meta, but you shouldn't really
• 37:18
  follow it. You know, you should just go
• 37:19
  explore, click NPCS, talk with things, look for quest icons,
• 37:23
  you know, and just sort of be a part.
• 37:27
  Of the amount of people, the the amount of people who told me do
• 37:31
  waterfall, do waterfall, do waterfall like for for weeks I
• 37:35
  was like, guys, I'm not going to do waterfall.
• 37:37
  Yeah, that's because I'm going to do it when, when it's like
• 37:41
  the natural way to do it. People who do waterfall for
• 37:43
  efficiency reasons, they know exactly what they're doing too.
• 37:46
  And if I'm going in there blind, I wouldn't know if maybe there's
• 37:51
  something dangerous there and I can't like spoil the quest for
• 37:53
  myself. And yeah, like, I I was like,
• 37:56
  no, I'm not doing it. I'm going to do it when my level
• 37:58
  is appropriate. I don't care if things are
• 38:01
  teasable. And the same with is it called
• 38:04
  Stronghold? Stronghold right with the.
• 38:06
  Stronghold of security like the yes yeah 4 levels Yep Yep.
• 38:10
  Yeah, so that one I was like, no, I don't want quick money
• 38:14
  either. I'm not gonna do it.
• 38:16
  But in the end I did end up doing it because I started the
• 38:21
  house quest. Which is house.
• 38:24
  No, the one where you can create your own house.
• 38:29
  Oh, the the Daddy's Home mini quest thing, Yes.
• 38:32
  Gotcha. Yes.
• 38:34
  And that quest is so expensive. Yeah, it is.
• 38:37
  And I was broke and I and I hate the feeling of starting
• 38:41
  something and I can't complete it.
• 38:43
  So I was like, OK, guys, I'm going to do the thing that you
• 38:45
  were talking about. Was it Stronghold?
• 38:47
  OK, I'm going to go for it. I will still go in blind, but
• 38:50
  I'm going to go for it. Yeah, Other than that, I I was
• 38:53
  avoiding like efficiency routes because I wanted to just
• 38:57
  experience the game and like a natural way.
• 39:00
  The same with crabbing. Like even at this point, like I
• 39:02
  stopped myself around attack level 60, I think it was 66 to
• 39:07
  65 because I don't want to be who I don't want to feel like
• 39:11
  I'm over levelled. I rather want to work on like
• 39:13
  other things to make it balanced and just make it more like a
• 39:18
  proper first experience basically.
• 39:20
  Yeah, the the whole gem crab because I mean that thing got
• 39:23
  introduced as you guys came over basically and it has created a a
• 39:27
  new. I don't even know if it's
• 39:28
  technically a problem, but it does make a lot of players like
• 39:34
  their progressions kind of skewed if they just AFK for
• 39:37
  weeks on end like that. That was possible before, but it
• 39:40
  wasn't as accessible and easy to do so now tons of new players
• 39:45
  are just like yeah, AFK ING 80 strength before they get dragon
• 39:50
  Slayer completed sort of thing. And it's.
• 39:52
  Yeah, exactly. I didn't want.
• 39:53
  That yeah, like that's never happened before.
• 39:55
  No way. Yeah.
• 39:57
  So I do tend to sometimes ask for guidance also like.
• 40:01
  Am I at a good level for this? Like without telling me what the
• 40:05
  quest is about, just am I at a good level?
• 40:07
  And also normally you can also tell by the quest requirement
• 40:11
  that's like listed in the quest. But sometimes you may not
• 40:15
  realize because I think I, I experienced a couple quests
• 40:18
  where the requirement is low, but there's some high level mobs
• 40:21
  nearby and that's kind of scary. But the point is that you don't
• 40:24
  actually have to interact with them.
• 40:26
  And yeah, so that that can that that's always a little bit scary
• 40:29
  when you're going in blind because you're like, oh, wait,
• 40:32
  do I need those guys? I am assuming not because their
• 40:34
  requirements said this much, but yeah.
• 40:36
  So with with the whole like going in blind play style, what
• 40:40
  what are your general thoughts on the structure of old school
• 40:45
  quests in this? Since it's you know, people
• 40:48
  point out all the time and I'll point it out as well of just how
• 40:51
  unique old school runescapes quests are compared to literally
• 40:54
  every other MMO out there. So what?
• 40:57
  What are your thoughts on on how they work?
• 40:59
  My how they work or the content of them like?
• 41:04
  Like just just the fact that, you know, it's a store, there's
• 41:07
  stories going on sometimes and it's not like fetch and kill
• 41:10
  quests. Yeah, I love that.
• 41:13
  Yeah. It makes it really unique.
• 41:15
  Every quest is a little story. I also love how there's a lot of
• 41:18
  humor put into the quests, definitely, which I was
• 41:21
  introduced to really early, like the Romeo and Juliet quest, one
• 41:26
  of the early ones that I did. There's a lot of really funny
• 41:29
  quests. And I think with with games like
• 41:33
  Wow, a lot of it is fetch quests.
• 41:36
  I mean, if you get into it, there are some funny stories as
• 41:39
  well, but, but most of it in terms of what actions you're
• 41:43
  taking is basically just fetch this or kill this.
• 41:47
  But in Runescape, it's a lot more like the the story itself,
• 41:53
  like the different little stories that are being told.
• 41:55
  And sometimes it might be really silly too, where like you go to
• 42:01
  an, you go to a, a person in the game or an embassy in the game
• 42:04
  and he wants something and then you go and get it and you come
• 42:07
  back and say, oh, wait, I also want this other thing.
• 42:09
  And it's like, Oh my God. Yeah.
• 42:11
  Why didn't you say so before? So there's like like kind of
• 42:15
  like humor and frustration sometimes with quests,
• 42:19
  especially if you're playing blind.
• 42:20
  Again, if you're not playing blind, I don't think you'll feel
• 42:22
  it, especially if you're playing with like a quest helper because
• 42:27
  there's a lot of quests where like there's that one quest.
• 42:31
  What was it called just above Falador with the anvil?
• 42:36
  Oh, Doric's quest. Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 42:39
  I think it's Doric's quest where he asks you to bring a bunch of
• 42:42
  oars, but he doesn't ask for them all at once.
• 42:45
  So you have to like, keep going back and forth.
• 42:48
  I think that was the one I didn't know.
• 42:50
  We didn't. Ask for it all at once.
• 42:52
  That's so funny, I actually didn't know that.
• 42:55
  I'm not mixing it up. I think so, yeah.
• 42:57
  Oh my God, that's really funny if that, if that's true, because
• 43:01
  I've always just gotten that pre written dialogue of like, oh,
• 43:06
  how convenient. You have everything I need in
• 43:09
  your inventory. Like yeah, that's awesome.
• 43:12
  I was. Told about that afterwards where
• 43:15
  he says that if you already have everything in your bags or maybe
• 43:18
  that's what it maybe I'm mixing it up maybe it is once but he.
• 43:23
  But if you know beforehand, you don't have to go and fetch them.
• 43:25
  So maybe that's what it is. I'm not sure.
• 43:27
  But there's a lot of things like that where you have to like go
• 43:30
  back and forth. And that little part of like
• 43:33
  needing to essentially travel in the game, I think also makes you
• 43:39
  feel more like deeply connected to the quests.
• 43:42
  You remember them more. Admittedly, once you've done a
• 43:45
  lot of quests, some of them might blurt into each other, but
• 43:49
  if you take a look at them and like read them, then it's like,
• 43:51
  Oh yeah, you know, that's it. Like I remember that.
• 43:53
  Whereas quests and Wow, it's like, yeah, there's this quest
• 43:56
  over there. Like, did you ever do it?
• 43:57
  It's like, I have no idea if I've done it before.
• 43:59
  Like I can't even read the quest text and I'll be like, I have no
• 44:01
  idea. But with these quests, I, I may
• 44:04
  need to be reminded of the details, details.
• 44:05
  But if I look at them, especially if I see the quest
• 44:08
  text, I'll be like, Oh yeah, I remember that for sure.
• 44:10
  And I and I think that's the part of taking the time to read
• 44:15
  it properly, which which makes it like ingrained in the brain
• 44:19
  in a different way. Definitely, yeah.
• 44:22
  I'm a big, big fan of the quests.
• 44:24
  It's like the whole reason I got started on YouTube was because I
• 44:28
  made a series doing all the quests in the order that they
• 44:31
  were put into the game and it was awesome going into every
• 44:37
  single story, like going through the details of it just to kind
• 44:41
  of create a story out of the stories.
• 44:43
  It's really cool how in depth some of them go and especially
• 44:47
  since some of them are are really old quests.
• 44:49
  Like the writing is still pretty good.
• 44:50
  I don't know if you've done many of the newer quests like 2016
• 44:55
  and on like the old school exclusive quests, but they got
• 44:59
  really, really good, like the writing and is is is amazing,
• 45:02
  Yeah. So hopefully you get to
• 45:04
  experience all of them down the road.
• 45:06
  Yeah, I'd, I'd love to. I, I think that's my sort of
• 45:10
  plan in the future to, to stick to doing things.
• 45:13
  I know that makes it means it's going to take a long time, but I
• 45:17
  want to like overall, like overtime to go through all of
• 45:21
  the quests guide list just to get into them properly because I
• 45:25
  think it's more fun that way. But it does mean it takes it can
• 45:29
  take a really long time. Yes.
• 45:31
  There was one question I did recently.
• 45:34
  I forgot what it's called, but I had to.
• 45:40
  There was a statue that was broken that needed to be rebuilt
• 45:42
  and the head of it needed to be. They needed to make a new design
• 45:46
  for the head. And then there were these like
• 45:48
  different factions with the different colors and I needed to
• 45:52
  befriend one of them and like rank up by giving them ORS.
• 45:55
  Do you remember that quest? Yeah, it's, I mean, it's, it's
• 45:59
  the Caldegram dwarf, the first quest in there.
• 46:02
  They. Oh my God, I don't know why I
• 46:05
  can't think of the giant dwarf. Yeah, giant dwarf.
• 46:09
  I think I. Think it is giant dorf.
• 46:10
  Yeah, I think that's it. So that's another one where I
• 46:13
  had to when I would I'll go to them and then they ask me for
• 46:20
  like certain ORS or bars. Maybe it was I give that to them
• 46:24
  and then they ask for another set those.
• 46:26
  Yeah, whatever. Or is it I go back and again and
• 46:30
  again and again? Yep, I made I made a whole song
• 46:33
  about that quest, about that part of the quest of joining a a
• 46:37
  company and working for them and going and getting the oars that
• 46:40
  they yeah, I yeah, I think I made the song because I was like
• 46:44
  upset at the time. Like it made me mad to the
• 46:48
  point. Like I got to make this into a
• 46:50
  positive thing somehow. I do remember.
• 46:53
  That yeah, yeah, it was really funny.
• 46:55
  I was also going crazy cuz I my Sprint would be, would be
• 46:59
  running out. I'm like walking like slowly cuz
• 47:02
  I can't Sprint anymore. Oh yeah, it's it's.
• 47:04
  Brutal. It was funny, yeah.
• 47:06
  And even the other quests, the nearby, like the one where you
• 47:09
  had to like get the whole outfit and the the weapon as well, like
• 47:17
  a lot of those little parts there were like back and forth a
• 47:20
  lot. And I think it's part of, in a
• 47:23
  way it becomes like part of the humor in it because it becomes
• 47:26
  funny. Like no way I have to go all the
• 47:28
  way back there again. Yeah, yeah, it's awesome.
• 47:33
  It's almost like them just messing with you.
• 47:34
  Like, it's just, it's a fun, you know it.
• 47:37
  It keeps you in your place like as an adventurer.
• 47:40
  And it's like not a hero like, you know, like, oh, champion in
• 47:44
  in World of Warcraft, just like, no, you're just a guy here, like
• 47:47
  you're just some some random adventure guy.
• 47:50
  So it's cool to kind of get back on track a little bit with the
• 47:55
  just design of Old School in general, because I know you have
• 47:59
  been a huge advocate. I guess I don't know if that's
• 48:02
  the right word, but essentially you've highlighted the fact that
• 48:05
  progression matters in Old School Runescape.
• 48:08
  That's been a huge discussion with the migration of Wow
• 48:12
  players of just kind of highlighting this fact that your
• 48:16
  progress in Old School will remain your progress, your
• 48:21
  meaningful progress, no matter what updates come out.
• 48:24
  So what is your experience with that so far like that that
• 48:27
  you've kind of seen in in contrast to what you've
• 48:30
  experienced with your years of playing World of Warcraft?
• 48:34
  Yeah, the progression just feels like you said, it feels
• 48:37
  meaningful. Like I feel like I, I can take
• 48:40
  breaks and I can come back and I don't feel demotivated.
• 48:43
  So I think for example, if I was a new player playing World of
• 48:47
  Warcraft retail, I would probably like if, if I end up
• 48:51
  taking a break, I would probably be very unlikely to go back
• 48:54
  because what am I going back to, to restart?
• 48:57
  Because there's like Final Fantasy 14.
• 48:59
  The way that I feel with that is the the strong main story quest
• 49:03
  line. So I have progressed until the
• 49:08
  last expansion and what if I if I go and play again, I know
• 49:12
  exactly what I'm going to do. I have a plan.
• 49:14
  I I won't feel like I've lost anything.
• 49:16
  I don't have to restart anything because I will pick up the story
• 49:19
  from where I stopped and continue.
• 49:21
  And with with Runescape, I feel the same way.
• 49:24
  Like I because I do stream a lot of different games right?
• 49:27
  Like I, I've recently taken a break from Runescape, although I
• 49:30
  did, I have a Runescape day like a few days ago or like a week
• 49:34
  ago. But I don't feel demotivated to
• 49:36
  play Runescape because I feel like how my progress matters and
• 49:40
  there is like a red thread that eventually will reach a
• 49:43
  completion. So for example, I finished all
• 49:46
  the free to play quests and then now I have I'm working on like
• 49:50
  the normal member quests. And so that's one part of the
• 49:53
  progression. And then there's also the
• 49:55
  progression of the different skills, which kind of go hand in
• 49:58
  hand because many quests require skills.
• 50:01
  So I want to look at the different quests I'm going to
• 50:03
  do. I have the different skill sets
• 50:05
  that I want to work on at the same time, and that feels nice.
• 50:10
  Like, that feels like if I took a break, it's not like, oh, no,
• 50:13
  now I've like, missed out and now it's too late now, why
• 50:17
  should I bother? It feels like, yeah, no problem.
• 50:20
  I'll get right back on it. Like, right.
• 50:23
  So what was the last thing I did?
• 50:24
  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was doing bird runs.
• 50:27
  Yeah. Let's you know what?
• 50:28
  Let's get back on that because I do need that skill for this
• 50:30
  quest I want to do. So I was almost there.
• 50:34
  But I'm missing one skill. How convenient.
• 50:36
  I can, you know, pick right back up from that point.
• 50:40
  And it's a good thing that I was progressing it before because I
• 50:43
  still need to do this quest. And that's a really nice
• 50:47
  feeling. It makes it playable.
• 50:50
  At any point, you can always go back and play, which I think is
• 50:54
  so important in like today's society in 2025 when a lot of
• 50:59
  people are really busy. Like people have jobs, people
• 51:02
  have families, people have other things to do.
• 51:05
  People also tend to have a lot more games to play these days.
• 51:08
  I think 15 years ago, 20 years ago, there weren't that many
• 51:11
  games that even existed. Whereas today people dip into a
• 51:16
  lot more games in general. And that's at least what I have
• 51:19
  experienced myself. And also a lot of like people
• 51:22
  that I see. And a game like Runescape is a
• 51:25
  feasible game to have that you hop back into every now and
• 51:29
  again. Compared to Wow, I, I think
• 51:31
  people who play Wow very casually, it eventually end up
• 51:35
  just dropping off because it's like, you know what?
• 51:38
  I'm just, I don't want to restart my progress again.
• 51:41
  I did last time and I never even reached the end of the raid
• 51:45
  because like I got busy in the end and it's like I don't want
• 51:48
  to restart that just did not get anywhere 100%.
• 51:52
  And it's funny because I call it casual friendly, but it's also
• 51:56
  very hardcore because you can go in really deep.
• 52:00
  Like it's not casual friendly in the sense that there's nothing
• 52:03
  to do. There is so much to do, but it's
• 52:05
  casual friendly in the sense that if you have lost time, you
• 52:09
  don't lose your progression. Definitely, yeah, there there's
• 52:12
  such a, a huge caliber of players, you know, very, very
• 52:16
  casual to the sweatiest video gamers in the history of video
• 52:20
  gamers just like. Yeah, it's a, it's a key into
• 52:23
  all levels. Yeah, it's it's and there's not
• 52:25
  too many games that can really say they achieved that with
• 52:29
  their player base. So it is really cool seeing
• 52:32
  everyone's different play style. Like everyone I've talked to so
• 52:36
  far of all the Wow players, they all of you guys play differently
• 52:40
  and, and approach old school differently, which is so cool.
• 52:43
  Whereas on World of Warcraft, like yeah, there's players
• 52:46
  sweatier than others, but everyone's basically like on the
• 52:49
  same ride. So you know, everyone's got that
• 52:52
  final destination of OK, best in slide gear, that raid, that
• 52:57
  specific raid with everyone else.
• 52:58
  That's where we're headed. Whereas on old school, it's like
• 53:02
  you have no idea what anyone's up to at any point.
• 53:04
  You don't know what anyone's goal is.
• 53:06
  You don't know, you can't predict what they're thinking
• 53:09
  because they're, they could just be doing anything.
• 53:11
  So it's, it's very interesting to see what people choose to do
• 53:16
  to, to progress in this game. It's it's really cool.
• 53:20
  Yeah, no, I agree completely for sure.
• 53:23
  Where Where is your account around like combat level,
• 53:26
  quests, progression? Like where would you say you
• 53:29
  are? I think I'm around.
• 53:31
  I hit 1000 level. Oh did you get 1000 total?
• 53:34
  Yeah, I hit 1000 total. I'm at 62 quests and yeah, my my
• 53:40
  strength attack and defense that was around 60 and my combat is
• 53:44
  added up to 74 with that. Nice, that's a that's a good
• 53:49
  like mid level area. Being that far into the game and
• 53:53
  especially going in blind, what would you say like your favorite
• 53:56
  experience is gameplay wise? Like what do you most look
• 54:01
  forward to doing when it comes to progressing?
• 54:03
  At this point, I would say it's the quests, yeah.
• 54:06
  I feel like the quests are kind of like the rewards from scaling
• 54:09
  up, if that makes sense. Like I, I work on the skills in
• 54:14
  order to be able to do the quests, and the quests are, it's
• 54:17
  such a surprise every time because you don't know what
• 54:20
  you're going to get. Like this is going to be some
• 54:22
  difficult combat. Is it going to be a ridiculous
• 54:25
  quest line? Is it going to be like something
• 54:28
  funny, something weird, something I don't know, Like you
• 54:33
  just don't know when that surprise is always interesting
• 54:35
  or or some really difficult puzzles that happens too,
• 54:39
  especially when you don't play with quest helpers.
• 54:42
  Some stuff, it's really, really difficult.
• 54:45
  Yeah, I wouldn't dream of doing some of the puzzles in this game
• 54:48
  without at least a wiki, a wiki guide open or something.
• 54:53
  There's so many crazy puzzles that it's just like, what's
• 54:57
  going on, but it is. Very.
• 54:59
  Satisfying doing it without a guide.
• 55:01
  Yeah, at least as much as possible.
• 55:03
  I've, I've been told some of the quests do become extremely
• 55:08
  ridiculous and I should probably at least opt into using wiki,
• 55:12
  but but for now I've managed to not use that.
• 55:15
  But I sometimes do a thing where I like if I'm really stuck on
• 55:19
  something I don't like taking hints, but what I do is
• 55:22
  sometimes ask my viewers to to give me like a yes or no.
• 55:27
  So I would I ask a question for example, am I in the right area
• 55:32
  to be progressing and then they say yes or no?
• 55:35
  That's a pretty good system, I'm glad you're experiencing it that
• 55:37
  way and I think the chat helping just a like with yes and no is
• 55:41
  definitely a good much needed system I would say.
• 55:44
  Yeah, like if I've been, if I've been stuck for like half an
• 55:46
  hour, you know, and then it's about time.
• 55:48
  Yeah, one of my friends depends. He's on YouTube, his name's
• 55:53
  Alien Food and he's actually played Runescape before like he
• 55:58
  had, we've done like the quest in the game like 5 years prior
• 56:02
  to starting a series and he started a series just going in,
• 56:06
  doing everything completely guide list, like the entire game
• 56:08
  guide list. And even as somebody who's like
• 56:11
  gone in and played through the game for the most part, guide
• 56:15
  list is still crazy. Like there are some things that
• 56:19
  you just will never realize, like how little hints there are,
• 56:25
  like by the game itself. Like there's some ridiculous
• 56:28
  yeah, problems with like the early quest and stuff.
• 56:31
  I'm sure you've come across a few of them by now.
• 56:33
  But there's just You never know. Yeah, there's been some really
• 56:36
  tricky ones. Yeah, it's just some of them
• 56:38
  just so nonsensical. So it's it's always a a a
• 56:43
  mystery what you're getting into, especially without a
• 56:45
  guide. Has anyone told you about any
• 56:48
  like the high level content or are you just kind of like wait
• 56:50
  until you get there? No.
• 56:52
  Yeah, like I've heard of things like fire Cape, but I, I don't
• 56:57
  know what exactly what content it entails.
• 57:02
  I yeah, I know. I keep it kind of like I don't
• 57:05
  want to know anything. Nice, that's going to pay off
• 57:07
  That is, that's definitely going to be a really cool experience,
• 57:10
  like just stumbling upon like where content.
• 57:13
  Is that's what I'm thinking too, yeah.
• 57:14
  That'll be that'll be really cool.
• 57:16
  So right now, do you have any set in stone goals?
• 57:21
  I always just have like overarching goals, which is the
• 57:24
  way that I enjoy games, which is complete everything.
• 57:27
  So what I would love to do eventually is complete every
• 57:31
  single quest, for example. And that in itself does kind of
• 57:36
  like force me to do a lot of other things in the game too,
• 57:39
  because many quests require a lot of different skills.
• 57:42
  So then I have to work on all of those different skills.
• 57:45
  And while I do that, I might be like, you know what, like I
• 57:48
  actually really want to push the skill to like this level.
• 57:52
  Like I recently I got my agility to 60.
• 57:55
  I didn't really need it right now, but I noticed there's a lot
• 57:57
  of exploration where which like makes it easier if you have
• 58:02
  agility. So I felt like, yeah, you know
• 58:04
  what, I want to push my agility a bit because it feels nice to
• 58:06
  have. So I, I don't have that many
• 58:10
  like super immediate goals. I just have like these
• 58:14
  overarching ones where I want to complete the request and then
• 58:17
  from that I will work on the skills that I need depending on
• 58:21
  which quest I want to do first. I will, you know, get that skill
• 58:24
  to that level and and so on. Yeah, I I would definitely say
• 58:28
  like the the quest Cape is always like I'll always tell
• 58:33
  people to go for that goal because that's my favorite Cape,
• 58:35
  my favorite content in the game and I think.
• 58:39
  Yeah, because is the best thing in the game, yeah.
• 58:41
  Yeah, I'll die on that hill for sure.
• 58:43
  Yeah. The I guess from a more
• 58:47
  completionist thing because like you can look at collection log,
• 58:50
  but collection log like filling that out is it would take 30
• 58:54
  years, but the. Yeah, collection log I think is
• 58:59
  a bit too much. Yeah, Yeah, I think in what I've
• 59:01
  seen. Achievement Diary Cape would
• 59:03
  probably be like the perfect completionist goal to eventually
• 59:08
  go for it down the line. Like it's still a really tough
• 59:10
  thing to get, but definitely doable.
• 59:12
  Yes, I've actually started doing them a little bit.
• 59:14
  So I completed Varick easy, Lumbridge easy, Karend easy,
• 59:20
  Karamja easy and Ardo easy. So I I was going to get all of
• 59:25
  them done on easy and then move on to medium.
• 59:28
  And and this is what's so beautiful about the spider web
• 59:31
  of the game, because a lot of these achievement Diaries
• 59:34
  requires certain quests or certain skills.
• 59:37
  So you're kind of like progressing everything at the
• 59:39
  same time. That's why it's hard to say like
• 59:41
  I'm going to focus one thing because usually one thing also
• 59:45
  touches on like three other things exactly.
• 59:48
  You you choose one thing, but then you end up playing the
• 59:51
  whole whole game. Yeah, yeah.
• 59:54
  Everything, everything works together really well if they've
• 59:56
  done a really good job at balancing everything.
• 1:00:00
  So I guess that being said. Obviously you're thinking to
• 1:00:05
  keep old school a part of this kind of big library of games
• 1:00:10
  that you regularly play in stream.
• 1:00:12
  Gotcha. Yeah, for sure it's something
• 1:00:14
  that I want to continue coming back to.
• 1:00:16
  And I, I think collection log is the only thing that I have not
• 1:00:20
  tried to progress at all. Yeah, but yeah, achievement
• 1:00:24
  Diaries, quests, skills in general, all of that.
• 1:00:28
  And sometimes I check out some mini games as well, especially
• 1:00:34
  if they help towards any of my skills, like I really wanted to
• 1:00:38
  work on farming, for example. And I then discovered, what is
• 1:00:43
  it? How do you pronounce it?
• 1:00:45
  Teeth. Teeth.
• 1:00:48
  Yeah. And now I've been playing that
• 1:00:51
  on my iPad and it actually works really well.
• 1:00:54
  So I, I was able to push my farming because my farming was
• 1:00:56
  really low. It was really bad.
• 1:00:58
  But now with that, I managed to push it a little bit.
• 1:01:01
  So now I have a way to like progress that which feels like
• 1:01:07
  smooth and easy to do. So, yeah, because I think
• 1:01:12
  there's some skills which I'm like, OK, what am I supposed to
• 1:01:16
  do here? And sometimes you unlock certain
• 1:01:18
  things, which makes it easy to push it forward.
• 1:01:21
  Yeah, I guess you kind of like make your own paths, like
• 1:01:24
  through the skills. Like you have one goal and it
• 1:01:26
  kind of like basically tells you the.
• 1:01:29
  Path to take. Through the other ones, yeah.
• 1:01:31
  Yeah, yeah. Sometimes that could be
• 1:01:33
  overwhelming, but most of the time if the goal isn't too
• 1:01:35
  crazy, it's, it's a pretty clear path of like what to do next
• 1:01:39
  sort of thing. And it's always nice, especially
• 1:01:41
  as like an Iron Man, finding the most efficient or at least a
• 1:01:46
  little bit of efficient way of getting to where you need to be.
• 1:01:49
  It's I guess what makes playing single player so fun.
• 1:01:53
  But that's that's awesome that you've got like goals in mind
• 1:01:56
  and you're going to, you're going to keep at it.
• 1:01:57
  It's it's really nice to see the the Wow players like pretty
• 1:02:02
  content on on keeping old school a part of their their library of
• 1:02:06
  games that they play. And even if it's not on stream,
• 1:02:09
  you know, just having it a part of their gaming life a little
• 1:02:13
  bit so. Oh yeah yeah I play on my iPad
• 1:02:17
  whenever I when I'm just like when I'm not streaming, I just
• 1:02:20
  have it on my iPad can work on the farming or just like
• 1:02:24
  chopping some logs if I need more wood.
• 1:02:26
  I think I have like 1000 Willow logs right now.
• 1:02:29
  So I'm I'm just like doing like little bits of farming here and
• 1:02:32
  there. I I don't do anything I would
• 1:02:35
  obviously not do any questing off stream and I also don't
• 1:02:39
  discover new content off stream like new areas or new anything.
• 1:02:43
  I don't do that. I also wouldn't do anything that
• 1:02:46
  requires combat because I'm hardcore.
• 1:02:48
  So I, I wouldn't want to accidentally die off stream.
• 1:02:51
  Yeah, that would suck. Yeah, that would suck.
• 1:02:53
  So I'm, I'm like doing safe things off stream, just like a
• 1:02:58
  little bit of pushing a few skills here and there.
• 1:03:01
  That's good. That's a that's a good way to
• 1:03:03
  kind of treat old school in the background.
• 1:03:05
  I think it's it's nice that it can have a place like that of
• 1:03:08
  just this. I guess the the funniest way
• 1:03:11
  that I had it put because I've been on my group Iron Man, just
• 1:03:17
  chopping away at yew trees for like actually two months now and
• 1:03:22
  Floodin has told me that it has become my my idol animation.
• 1:03:27
  Like how old ladies knit, like how they're just sitting in a
• 1:03:30
  corner in a rocking chair knitting.
• 1:03:31
  That's me on this game. Just.
• 1:03:33
  Chopping. Trees.
• 1:03:35
  And I was like, that's a perfect way of looking at it because
• 1:03:37
  that's that's seriously what it is.
• 1:03:38
  Like it's just this comforting, like casual thing to just have
• 1:03:43
  going on. So it's, it's a, it's a great
• 1:03:47
  kind of system for that. But I guess to to kind of wrap
• 1:03:51
  things up since we've been, we've been talking for so long,
• 1:03:52
  I don't want to keep you here too much longer, but.
• 1:03:55
  Yeah, no worries. The most important question of
• 1:03:58
  this whole interview What would you rate Old School Runescape
• 1:04:02
  out of 10? Oh God I hate rating things.
• 1:04:09
  Yeah, that's why. That's why I'm asking it.
• 1:04:11
  That's a terrible question. I'm going to rate it very
• 1:04:17
  serious, 69 out of 10. 69 out of 10.
• 1:04:21
  OK. Yeah.
• 1:04:22
  I don't know if that's going to help my averaging out of
• 1:04:25
  everyone's answers, but I'll figure that out, I guess.
• 1:04:29
  I just you just got to put the numbers together.
• 1:04:32
  Yeah, Sardaco's answer was actually really interesting of
• 1:04:35
  the fact that the rating of old school can change depending on
• 1:04:41
  like everyone has potential to make it a 10.
• 1:04:43
  Essentially you just have to set the game up right for yourself.
• 1:04:46
  Like if you're somebody who enjoys playing a single player
• 1:04:50
  kind of blind mode, you know, playing Iron Man without quest
• 1:04:54
  helper on. Or if you're someone who.
• 1:04:55
  I see what you mean. Enjoys the efficiency like
• 1:04:58
  toggling on the quest helper and you know, looking up the guides.
• 1:05:01
  So I think the play style of everybody is a huge factor into
• 1:05:06
  what everyone would rate it. I think that was a pretty
• 1:05:09
  insightful way to look at things, and it may a lot.
• 1:05:12
  Of sense that is actually a really good answer.
• 1:05:14
  Yeah, No, because I I agree, you can, you can play this in so
• 1:05:17
  many ways. And I think sometimes that's the
• 1:05:19
  mistake that people make because they, they might go in and go
• 1:05:22
  for, I don't know, let's say they go for PvP focus, but then
• 1:05:27
  they actually don't really enjoy PvP And now they're like stuck
• 1:05:31
  doing something that they don't like, But and then they might
• 1:05:34
  end up quitting. And it's like, hey, but did you
• 1:05:36
  know that there's this other thing that actually makes more
• 1:05:39
  sense for your personality? So yeah, that's true.
• 1:05:42
  Like he, that person might have been like, this is a 5 out of
• 1:05:45
  10. But then, if they had tried the
• 1:05:46
  thing that's actually for them, they might have been a 10 out of
• 1:05:49
  10. Exactly.
• 1:05:50
  Yeah, some people, I mean, I guess there's a reason that
• 1:05:53
  there's like AD iron option in the game too, you know, it's so
• 1:05:57
  you never know if you're going to like the the game play down
• 1:05:59
  the road. Like you might like the mid game
• 1:06:01
  and then not really enjoy the end game as a single player sort
• 1:06:04
  of thing. So yeah, I guess it really just
• 1:06:07
  doesn't. You can.
• 1:06:07
  Remove it right? You're not stuck with it.
• 1:06:09
  Yeah, you can remove it. You can remove your.
• 1:06:11
  Yeah, which is really good. Yeah.
• 1:06:13
  One of the reasons, or the main reason was that why I chose to
• 1:06:16
  play like hardcore and Iron Man was because there is no loss,
• 1:06:21
  right? Because if you play hardcore and
• 1:06:22
  Wow, you lose your character. Yeah.
• 1:06:24
  So initially I was saying, no, I'm not gonna play hardcore
• 1:06:27
  because I actually want to experience the full game.
• 1:06:29
  But then people told me if you die, you can just continue.
• 1:06:32
  And I was like, oh, that's so convenient.
• 1:06:35
  And then of course, I'm going to go for it.
• 1:06:37
  Yeah. And then if I, if I feel
• 1:06:39
  eventually that going Iron Man is getting ridiculous, I could
• 1:06:44
  always remove that as well. For now, it feels fine because
• 1:06:48
  part of wanting to skill up everything kind of means that I
• 1:06:52
  have access to everything as well.
• 1:06:53
  Because the the nice thing with not playing hard Iron Man is
• 1:06:58
  that people could give me things, right?
• 1:07:00
  So if I'm trying to like, if I'm trying to level up my like my
• 1:07:04
  smithing, then people could just give me bars.
• 1:07:07
  But I need to work on my mining anyways.
• 1:07:10
  So for now, it's there's no real loss of trying to do it myself.
• 1:07:16
  But maybe sometime in the future I'll be like, you know what?
• 1:07:18
  I am sick of mining and my mining is already 99, but my
• 1:07:23
  smithing is like behind so I'm just I'm done.
• 1:07:27
  I'm going to de iron. I need help Please give me bars.
• 1:07:30
  I don't know so like that option is there, which is which is nice
• 1:07:34
  definitely, but I think playing Iron Man, I think makes the game
• 1:07:37
  feel more a bit more quality. I don't know.
• 1:07:42
  It makes it makes it feel more like everything that you do
• 1:07:46
  truly matters. Whereas if you're given things,
• 1:07:49
  I think it simplifies certain hurdles that might make you more
• 1:07:54
  likely to then lose interest because if you've worked hard on
• 1:07:57
  something then it it's more meaningful to you.
• 1:08:00
  Yeah, yeah, Iron Man definitely makes every inch of progress
• 1:08:05
  feel meaningful. Like no matter what you're
• 1:08:07
  doing, like, every step you take on your character has meaning it
• 1:08:10
  feels like. Exactly.
• 1:08:12
  Definitely a good way to go about it.
• 1:08:15
  But yeah, I think, I mean, that's all I have for my
• 1:08:19
  questions. Is there anything else like old
• 1:08:21
  school related that you wanted to talk about it all?
• 1:08:25
  I, I don't know, I, I could just keep talking about all the
• 1:08:29
  things that we've already been saying, but yeah, no, I, I think
• 1:08:33
  the game is, I think it's an incredible game and I'm, I'm
• 1:08:36
  really glad that this sort of like hype around it happened so
• 1:08:39
  I could hop into it properly too and play a lot.
• 1:08:44
  Now I, I really understand why people enjoy the game.
• 1:08:48
  And I also now have a game that I can always, you know, get
• 1:08:53
  into. And it's funny you mentioned the
• 1:08:55
  housing being a thing since like 2006 or something.
• 1:08:58
  I, I feel like Runescape even, and it's like classic state
• 1:09:02
  feels so full because when you look at classic Wow and compare
• 1:09:06
  it to retail, there's so many things in classic Wow, which is
• 1:09:09
  so broken and like a weird, whereas this one feels full in
• 1:09:15
  in many ways, like you have the housing already.
• 1:09:17
  You have you have so many things that you can play around with
• 1:09:21
  and it just makes it such a good experience to to be able to see
• 1:09:28
  what everyone else has been playing.
• 1:09:30
  Yeah, the depth of it is all really nice.
• 1:09:33
  Like there's just so much to experience, just no matter how
• 1:09:38
  many hours you put into it, you feel like there's always
• 1:09:39
  something new, something you haven't approached yet.
• 1:09:42
  So it's. Yeah, and so many different
• 1:09:44
  things to do too. Yeah, definitely.
• 1:09:48
  Cool. Well, Annie, thank you so much
• 1:09:51
  for taking this much time to. Thank you.
• 1:09:53
  Talk with me about everything this was.
• 1:09:54
  This was a lot of fun. Yeah, it's pretty fun.
• 1:09:56
  I really hope that you stick with the goals and everyone gets
• 1:10:01
  to watch you get a quest Cape because that would be cool.
• 1:10:05
  Guideless question. Yeah, that would be the big
• 1:10:08
  goal. Yeah, yes, I agree.
• 1:10:10
  Need to get one of those. Yeah, yeah, you do get one of
• 1:10:13
  those. Thank you so much again to Annie
• 1:10:15
  for finding the time to do this. She did this right after
• 1:10:17
  streaming and I know how brutal doing literally anything as a
• 1:10:21
  human can be right after streaming.
• 1:10:23
  So I really appreciate that and I hope you guys enjoyed
• 1:10:26
  listening to it. All of Annies links are down
• 1:10:28
  below. Make sure to go check out her
• 1:10:30
  twitch say hello over there. Her YouTube subscribe to that.
• 1:10:34
  Why not show some support? It was awesome.
• 1:10:37
  Next episode's guest is a long time PvP uh, one of the most
• 1:10:41
  eccentric personalities I've ever come across on Twitch
• 1:10:44
  embodying a character across any game he plays.
• 1:10:47
  You might have heard whispers, maybe even shouts.
• 1:10:50
  Most likely shouts actually, of the the signature phrase bunkai.
• 1:10:56
  That's right ladies and gentlemen, we're talking with
• 1:10:57
  Shobeck. See you soon.