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#179 — Did Swingers age well? (w/ Sean Jordan) · Did That Age Well?

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  and yeah, check them out. OK, so today I couldn't be more
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  excited to welcome my returning guest, Sean Jordan.
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  Hello. Thank you so much for having me.
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  Movers are clutch. They they have to you.
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  They have to exist. It's yes, when we moved, I
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  didn't believe it. They, when they, when they came,
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  I'm like, there's no way. There's no way they're going to
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  take apart our bed, get it in this truck.
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  They wrap it like Dexter kills people too.
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  They just wrap everything up. And then they got it back to our
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  new house. And I'm, I'm like, can you, I go
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  to the guy who's like, are you really going to be able to put
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  this together? And he laughed at me.
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  And he goes, yeah, we'll figure it out.
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  Five minutes would have taken me days.
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  Yeah, that's The thing is like it feels like, Oh my God, it's
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  going to be so long. Like if I were to do it with my
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  friends would have taken me truly days.
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  What takes professionals, I mean shock professionals, takes them
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  like a couple hours. Maybe $400.00.
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  Yeah, top three best times I've spent money was the movers
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  engagement ring was I got to say top.
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  I don't know what number 2 is. Maybe, I don't know, maybe.
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  Something fun, maybe. IVF.
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  Yeah. Yeah, sure.
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  Damn, I forgot about our miracle.
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  Yes. IVF.
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  Wedding ring. IVF and then movers.
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  And then movers. That's pretty good company.
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  That is a that's pretty good. That's.
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  What a oh, go ahead, I'm sorry. Oh, just that's top three.
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  That's. That's pretty big deal.
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  What movie did we do last time? I always forget.
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  OK, so. We've done this twice.
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  We've done this. OK, so we talked about, we
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  talked about Sleepless in Seattle last time.
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  It's the other one of my plane movies.
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  Good. And then way back, early days of
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  the podcast, this must have been like five years ago, we talked
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  about Clueless. OK Clueless holds up sleepless
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  in Seattle. I did just watch it like 5 days
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  ago. Were you on a plane?
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  I was. I watch it that in The Notebook
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  and The Departed that I have like 7 flight movies but they'd
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  make fun of women a little too much in Sleepless in Seattle.
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  It was up the time and they're not, there's no malice when they
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  did it, but they do the whole then you know, women are like
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  this and the chick flicks. That was the only thing.
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  Other than that it's like, yeah, I think 'cause the last time I
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  think it felt stalkerish, but I'm like, no, I don't.
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  She just, she just liked the dude and she didn't do anything
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  crazy. No one did anything that that,
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  frankly, I wouldn't do. Yeah.
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  And so if I think that's crazy, then I got to take a look in the
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  mirror. You know what I'm saying?
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  Right. It's, it's the equivalent kind
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  of of just finding someone's Instagram profile without them
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  giving it to you. That's all she did.
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  She just found stuff about the guy.
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  And how boring would a movie be about someone sliding into
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  someone's Instagram DMS? That's why I thank God that made
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  that movie when they did, you know?
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  Yeah, it is funny watching these movies before phones.
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  Oh my God, the in this movie and swingers when he's like, I have
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  a calling card, I've got a card, I've got a card.
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  When he checks his, he. Wants to check his messages to.
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  See if she called iconic. I remember doing that one with
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  my middle school to high school girlfriend where I would just
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  always want her to have called and left a message and the the
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  heartbreak when she didn't. And this is my this was my
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  current girlfriend realized she didn't like me all that much at
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  the time, but. That's tough, but every time you
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  thought maybe this time will be different?
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  Yeah, and it was until I met my wife.
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  That's that's what I thought every single time.
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  Absolutely. But yeah, that calling card
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  stuff man, I you forget about these how it used to be.
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  Oh yeah. And then what would they you
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  think now? Like what would they do in a
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  movie like swingers with social media?
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  He would have found her online and then instead of him calling
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  like the when he calls that girl and leaves 6 messages, instead
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  of that he would have sent her just a ton of DMS and that would
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  have been the equivalent. And that would have been so
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  boring in a movie. You know, unless he's like
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  saying it as he's typing it out, which people don't really do
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  unless they're with their friends and they're like, hey,
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  can I run this by you? It is one of those, it's one of
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  those things in movies they have to do it just to get.
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  But it's like, no, I've never in my whole life have I read
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  something out loud to my, like, Adm to myself.
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  Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy.
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  And I certainly don't read them to other.
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  I don't know. But it is one of those things or
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  like, yeah, like when they're writing letter and I've never
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  dear Laura, I've never done that.
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  I never will. Unless she's in the room.
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  Then it would be funny. I was writing her a letter.
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  And then, dear Laura, I love you so much.
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  Dinner was so good. I wish I knew how to cook.
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  I'll see you in our bedroom. And then you look up at her
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  smile, then kind of slide it across.
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  The door. Light the letter on fire.
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  Walk out the door. I'll be back when I feel like
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  it. Yeah, I love that.
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  I'm stepping on the structure. I'm talking about this movie you
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  got. We have a structure, so don't
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  let me impede. No, no, no, that's OK Structure
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  is a really, I think that's a really generous word for this
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  podcast. I'm curious what what made you
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  choose the movie swingers? I know you've seen it a bunch,
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  but like, what's your history with this movie?
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  My history with this movie is really interesting.
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  So Swingers and The Big Lebowski, my dad showed up one
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  day and he just had those movies and he goes, hey, we need to
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  watch these. He rented them.
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  I was when did this come out? 9496 So I was 14 and I had just
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  started skating. Maybe I was 15, but I just
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  started skateboarding. I didn't.
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  I did not want to sit and watch these movies at all.
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  And we watched them both back-to-back.
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  No way. Yeah, and watching them
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  immediately, I was, I just thought, man, this is what a
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  good idea this was for you to make me watch these movies.
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  I didn't quite grasp. I thought they were, I thought
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  it was supposed to be like a period piece of the 50s when I
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  was so young because they were all, I didn't put together that
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  they were in current Los Angeles, 90s Los Angeles, but
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  they were just these 50s guys. Even though most of the other
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  people in the movie, like when they run into those, those other
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  guys, they're clearly not in the 50s.
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  They're like 90s gangster guys. But if you're like 14 or 15, you
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  don't know what's going on. So that was kind of because I
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  think the cover was a little bit of a deterrent because to me, I
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  thought it was this, like Frank Sinatra sort of, yeah, I'm not
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  gonna dig this movie. But then we watched it,
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  immediately fell in love with Vince Vaughn.
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  How could you not? Right.
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  He's so lovable in this movie. So charming.
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  I mean, it made it, it gave him a career.
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  He would have got a career otherwise.
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  But. Yeah, but it launched him.
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  And then, yeah, my dad started saying baby all the time.
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  It didn't work. It didn't work with him.
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  He started saying I was money all the time.
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  Didn't work. That also doesn't work, but.
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  Yeah, I immediately fell in love with the movie.
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  And then all through high school complete, you know, Friday
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  night, all the dudes put on swingers.
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  Go to the video store, Yeah. I mean, this was an early
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  purchase for sure. This was we didn't have to go
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  rent this. Oh, yeah.
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  Oh, yeah. You were just saying these are,
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  this is one of the two that your dad was like, I got this.
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  Yeah, yeah, Yep. He loved it.
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  And same thing with pickle basketball.
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  We're not talking about that, but yeah, that was my that was
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  kind of my intro to swingers. Yeah.
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  And you and you still watch it regularly.
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  If I'm not trying to lie, I bet I watch swingers twice a year.
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  Nice. Probably not all the way through
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  yeah, most movies they like the third act.
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  It doesn't lose me, but if I know it so well, 'cause the by
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  the time you're in the third act, most of the iconic scenes,
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  yeah, have kind of gone through. Maybe I'm wrong, but.
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  No, I think that's fair to say. I think, well, the swing dancing
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  scene to me is the most iconic and that's in the third act.
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  However, the rest of the most iconic scenes probably in the
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  first two acts. Yeah, the, but I mean, I, I do
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  watch it. I try to watch it all the way.
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  If not, I stop it just a little bit early, but the beginning all
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  the way. You know, 6th sevenths of the
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  movie, yeah. I watch, Yeah, totally.
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  And you? Unlike me, you are a man and you
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  have lived in LA. Do you feel like this captures?
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  I went to the Dresden. I mean, I it it to me, it feels
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  like yes, it especially it's just of the time, but everybody
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  driving their own car. Yeah, everything being so far
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  away, everything being crowded as hell, everything being
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  shitty, everyone being fake. I'm not not saying that is Los
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  Angeles, but that's a that's part of Los Angeles is like
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  you'll go my limited experience with going to, I don't know,
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  house parties and stuff. You would get that like this
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  thing walk in and people do that and everybody could be someone.
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  You never know, like I could have been on The Big Bang theory
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  at some point. You never know.
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  So just that it felt pretty accurate and it's so hard to
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  meet people. Yeah, what are?
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  You going to just walk up to let me ask you this, have you ever
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  just walked up to someone and and hit on them?
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  Only if it was like we're in a contained space where I'm like,
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  I know someone who knows that person, you know what I mean?
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  Where it's like I'm at a house party or something like that.
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  Just the cold. A cold walk up at a bar seems
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  batshit to me. I'm like, couldn't, I'm there
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  normally I'm there to drink. I'm I've never been one where
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  I'm it. My goal was to go meet someone.
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  What's happened? Sure, 'cause you're you happen
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  to be standing next to someone instead of making it look like
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  you happened. Never been like, oh, look at
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  that girl across the bar. She's looking at me.
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  Yeah, there's no, I can't. So that like, that's another fun
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  part of the movie is you get to vicariously live through these
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  people who do that successfully. And then you also see the real
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  version, which is Mikey, Jon Favreau, right?
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  The realistic version where you like.
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  That's what I would be like. Of course I wouldn't be like
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  Trent or Sue, no. Absolutely not.
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  They're so those two characters, despite also being kind of like
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  down bad in their own way, are so aspirational.
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  Whereas I think Mike is the one that, like the every man, is
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  supposed to relate to him. And Ron, you know?
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  Like is his name in the movie Ron?
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  Ron Livingston? Oh.
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  It's Rob, Rob, Rob. Yeah, easy mix up.
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  But they look, they also look normal.
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  Vince Vaughn and whatever Sue's name is are.
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  Gorgeous Van Horn. He kind of fell off the map,
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  never really saw him again. They're gorgeous.
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  They're they look like models that Sue Patrick Van Horn has
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  those like puffy lips. He just looks, you know, a boy
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  named he just has the vibe Favreau attractive and he's also
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  a real buff in this movie. He's buff, but him and Ron
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  Livingston look a little more like your average kind of.
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  And they even dress. Ron Livingston just looks.
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  It's like golf shorts or whatever.
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  Totally. Yeah, they, they're a little bit
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  more normal. They're a little bit more like
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  relatable, I think, especially for most young people living in
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  LA, being like, what am I doing here?
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  Like pretending like they love it a lot of the time.
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  But then like when you get to know them a little bit better,
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  they're like, actually, I haven't been booked in months.
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  It's a scary place. I mean, I moved there when I was
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  old, 36, so a little different. There's no, you know, I'm not
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  young. I didn't have the I didn't have
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  the energy that a 22 year old would have if they moved there,
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  a 19 year old. But to to the point like
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  swingers getting Lai went to the Dresden immediately because
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  that's right. It's just it was one of the
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  first times where I saw this bar in a movie and then I'm walking
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  down Vermont. I think it's Vermont in Los
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  Vegas, and it's just there's the Dresden.
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  And you're like, I got to go. In Ayanna was like, that can't
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  be it right? And all my friends go, yeah,
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  that's that's well, where else that's it, says the Dresden.
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  So I thought it was a set or whatever.
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  And then that that golf course in Los Feliz, that three putt,
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  that's right across the street from this place.
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  It's called the Roost that we always used to go to.
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  Oh nice, that's awesome. Griffith Park hiked in Griffith.
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  That was one of those things too.
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  But Oh yeah, yeah, it was. Seemed pretty accurate version
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  of LA. Yeah, totally.
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  It felt like when they were talking about the like how every
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  cool bar is like in a weird location with no sign you.
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  Got to know about it you. Got to know someone if.
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  You tell a girl you've been somewhere.
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  It's almost like you're bragging that you know how to get there.
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  Exactly. Yeah.
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  They're like, it's like Speakeasy vibes.
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  I'm like, Oh my gosh. So.
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  And they walk in, they go down that alley and walk in and it's
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  just shoulder to shoulder, which that's something in my old age.
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  I just don't fuck that. I don't have the We were doing
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  that last night. We were at this bar after a
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  show, and my friend Shane, he goes, let's just go across the
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  street where no one's there and have some room, you know?
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  Just some room to breathe, room to talk, you know?
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  I yeah, I can't. I don't got it in me anymore.
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  Yeah, totally. I, I remember feeling like, oh,
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  I am turning into my mom when I was in this like really crowded
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  bar and I was trying to have a conversation with my friend and
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  I said, God, I can't even think in here.
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  Then that's what happens. You know I.
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  Don't want to stand up? Call me crazy.
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  I don't want to stand up that long.
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  I'd like to have. A seat, I want to sit down.
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  I don't want my butt to sweat. I want to know there's a
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  bathroom that I, that I can like get to.
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  That's enough that all this stuff is me being old, but I get
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  sweaty. I get sweaty If I'm just
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  standing, I get stressed and I'm like, I don't want to be
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  uncomfortable. I want to sit down and I don't
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  want to have to pee most of the time.
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  I want to be able to go to. That's another thing about these
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  crowded bars. You just can't go to the
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  bathroom. There's.
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  Nowhere to pee. There's nowhere to pee.
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  And that means like, especially if you're in LA, it's like, OK,
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  well, it's going to take 30 minutes to get there at least.
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  And so you're going to have to pee at home.
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  And you're like, OK, well, I guess I'm not going to pee for
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  another six hours, you know? Oh, God.
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  Well, one thing that I think should be said right off the bat
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  is that I got a lot of info from the oral history called So Money
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  by Alex French and Howie Con, which was written in 2014, which
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  is an interesting time to read the oral history because it was
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  before the public really knew about Harvey Weinstein being
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  like. Was he involved in this movie?
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  Yeah, so he was. He was the Miramax guy.
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  So when? That's right, yeah.
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  So he wasn't involved in the making of the movie, but he was
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  the one who who bought the movie, distributed it.
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  Probably had his greasy little hands all over it.
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  His greasy little paws all over. A bummer.
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  Yeah, I know. So that is a bummer.
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  So there is a lot in the oral history about like, you know,
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  the impact of Miramax, which I mean, the reality is that
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  Miramax distributed and made a lot of incredible movies.
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  A lot of movies for young men, for sure.
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  If you were a young boy, yeah, they were.
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  Yeah. They really hit home for me.
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  Miramax did. I mean, that was all for sure.
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  The Kevin Smith movies. Right.
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  Yeah, Yeah. And like all of those like mid
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  late 90s, early 2000s indie movies that were like, so cool.
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  Those movies where I got my first where what's I remember
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  like the squid and the whale. This wasn't Miramax, but it's a
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  it's a movie where I went in and I I rented it and I'm like, I
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  don't even know if I saw anything about it.
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  Right. It just looked indie.
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  You totally. You're like, I went and rented
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  it. Cool.
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  Look, I'm set it down that like Running with Scissors, The Kite
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  Runner. There were all these movies.
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  Youth in Revolt was another one. Anyway, So yeah, Miramax did
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  swingers. Yeah, they they were definitely
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  like we're the cool guys, we're gonna buy the cool guy movies.
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  But the the making of this film I think is he's one of the
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  things that makes it hold up the best because everyone from the
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  outside thought these guys were so stupid for making this movie
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  on $200,000. Yeah, so cheap.
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  So cheap. Favreau wrote it right, and
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  Lyman Doug Lyman directed it. Was it Doug Lyman?
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  Yeah, Doug Lyman directed it. Favreau wrote it in like a week
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  and 1/2 his dad gave him software for screen writing and
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  he was like, I'm going to just kind of play around with this
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  and write what I think a screenplay would be.
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  And then he came out with this. It was like drawn a lot from his
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  own personal experience. A lot of the characters are
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  based on his own friends. And then of course, like the
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  house party, there's no extras. They just threw a house party
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  with all their friends. Did they really?
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  Did you found that out? I didn't know that.
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  Yeah, they. Seems like it.
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  It seems like that's what was going on.
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  Right. Yeah, and some of the people at
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  the house party were Mike White, Adam Scott, like a bunch of
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  people who are now, like, interesting, a big deal.
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  They were all just like buddies. There's a.
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  Scene in Superbad, if you look where they're at the party where
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  the girl dances on Jonah Hills die and leaves blood on his
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  thigh. Oh yeah.
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  But if you look in the background, it's all like Danny
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  McBride. They're all.
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  Yeah. I like that stuff.
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  I like when you can see that it's kind of all in the family.
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  Yeah, it's sort of like that with stand up tune.
• 17:47
  I've been lucky enough to be included on the outside of a lot
• 17:51
  of some of those groups where you, like, can't believe I'm
• 17:54
  even in the room with these people.
• 17:55
  So it is. Yeah.
• 17:56
  That's cool. It's fun to see that.
• 17:57
  Yeah. And then to see everybody branch
• 17:59
  out and know that they were all so talented at the time, they
• 18:02
  just didn't get their shot yet. Totally.
• 18:04
  But that's yeah, that's the fun thing is like seeing someone and
• 18:07
  being like, Oh my God, you didn't even know that you were
• 18:09
  going to be such a big deal. Like Mike White wrote, he wrote
• 18:13
  Chuck and Buck after he saw Swingers and like, you know, was
• 18:18
  a part of being on the, you know, kind of on the outskirts
• 18:21
  on it, 'cause he was like, oh, I guess you can just kind of make
• 18:24
  a movie about people doing stuff and not really that much is
• 18:28
  happening, but a lot is happening, like under the
• 18:30
  surface, you know what I mean? Absolutely sorry.
• 18:32
  No, no, no worries. But also Speaking of like the
• 18:37
  extras, they shot all of the bar scenes just like at the bar,
• 18:44
  like those were just like real bar patrons.
• 18:47
  And so they had to just use the lighting from the bar, like
• 18:52
  house lighting didn't like didn't bring anything extra
• 18:55
  because they didn't want to like make people scatter.
• 18:58
  They needed people to be there like actually drinking,
• 19:01
  interacting with each other. And they shot it on this
• 19:05
  documentary style camera on on leftover film like this.
• 19:13
  It was like not designed sound wise for dialogue.
• 19:16
  So they like put these like jackets and comforters over the
• 19:21
  camera and just kind of like. That guerrilla filmmaking stuff,
• 19:25
  it's so fun. It's so fun.
• 19:27
  And it, yeah, like, it shouldn't have.
• 19:29
  It shouldn't have worked, you know?
• 19:31
  But you watch it and it's just so immediately classic.
• 19:36
  And again, most of that is Vince Vaughn.
• 19:39
  Just the charisma flying out of that man when in the.
• 19:43
  I forget like the right away when he's in his kitchen,
• 19:46
  Favreau's in his kitchen and Vince is like, we're going to
• 19:49
  Vegas, baby, because I'm not going to Vegas.
• 19:51
  Can I talk now? You pick out something nice to
• 19:54
  wear and it's you can just tell you're like, I want I want to
• 19:57
  see this guy in Vegas. Oh my God.
• 19:59
  Yeah. And that's what hooks you is
• 20:00
  when they. Right when they get to Vegas and
• 20:02
  they Vince Vaughn immediately just starts throwing like
• 20:05
  they're going to give daddy the Rain Man, sweet, he's going to
• 20:07
  Daddy's going to pull a Fredo. I don't care if I end up with
• 20:09
  her, one of her beautiful baby friends, all these things.
• 20:12
  And he doesn't I guess to the point, does it hold up?
• 20:14
  He doesn't to me. He doesn't seem smarmy.
• 20:17
  He just seems like somebody who is actively trying to have sex
• 20:22
  in a very consensual way. And they do.
• 20:26
  They again, it's like of the time they do when he's like
• 20:30
  talking about girls, like they're an injured young fawn or
• 20:32
  things like that. And that's slimy.
• 20:36
  But it didn't feel that way. It didn't feel like they
• 20:38
  weren't. He didn't have like testosterone
• 20:42
  radiating out of his body or anything.
• 20:44
  He was just kind of talking that way.
• 20:46
  Right. It seems like he was really
• 20:48
  trying to. He was trying to woo women but
• 20:52
  not manipulate them like the women really are.
• 20:56
  I mean, to their credit, they give the women some smarts.
• 20:59
  Like they're always like smarter, like a step ahead than
• 21:03
  the men who are hitting on them. But I think that there were a
• 21:07
  few things like that that kind of made me pause.
• 21:10
  Like, I mean, I love the the jaws thing when they're like.
• 21:14
  Sure, but that's the way that they use it.
• 21:15
  But. That's also like.
• 21:17
  You don't want to feel like you're prey, like you're
• 21:19
  literally. Prey, yeah, like, yeah, it
• 21:22
  definitely it's not subtle and like the I'm a predator kind of.
• 21:26
  It's hard to look at these things as I'm.
• 21:29
  I'm so old. I like, I just, I'm constantly
• 21:32
  trying to get better. I feel like, yeah, just part of
• 21:34
  when I grew up. My wife always tells she's like,
• 21:36
  this is a movie for guys. And I'm like, Oh yeah, you're
• 21:38
  right. The woman hasn't said a word in
• 21:40
  an hour. And I just miss that all the
• 21:43
  time, so I try. So I was going to ask you like,
• 21:45
  as a woman, how do you feel about that?
• 21:47
  Or like when he hits on the girl and then tears up her number is
• 21:50
  that is that him being like a shitty guy or is that just him
• 21:55
  showing off? Well, I think that he was kind
• 21:57
  of trying to show off to his friends, but I think more than
• 22:01
  the ripping of the number was that he was like, oh, she's what
• 22:06
  do they call her? Like business class?
• 22:08
  That was what I was like, OK, that's that's fucked up.
• 22:11
  The fact that she was annoying and like wouldn't stop yapping
• 22:16
  about some bullshit. I'm like, OK, yeah, I wouldn't
• 22:19
  want to talk to her either. But then when it was like, oh,
• 22:22
  well, that's not the reason. It's because she's got a big
• 22:25
  butt. It's like that part to me.
• 22:27
  I was like, Dang, she really can't catch a break, you know?
• 22:31
  Yeah, so I always thought and because of this movie, I always
• 22:34
  thought business class. Wait, what do they say?
• 22:37
  Because. Let me.
• 22:38
  Because they say coach something.
• 22:40
  I always thought business class was bad because of that sentence
• 22:43
  in that movie. But business class is like first
• 22:44
  class right? Business, they're saying like
• 22:47
  she needs to buy a seat in business class because her butt.
• 22:50
  Doesn't fit in the right. She doesn't go in coach.
• 22:52
  Yeah, see, I get it. Yeah, yeah.
• 22:54
  So these are, those are the things because you, you can't
• 22:57
  deny your thoughts. A thought comes into your head.
• 23:00
  You can't. But they're the things that
• 23:01
  shouldn't necessarily come out, you know?
• 23:04
  Yes, the things that you when you say, oh, that was kind of my
• 23:07
  first instinct, but maybe I'm going to think critically about.
• 23:10
  This or you don't say it at the party, you know, you get home in
• 23:14
  confidence. I've heard, I've been in rooms
• 23:16
  with women, I've heard them say some pretty gnarly shit about
• 23:19
  guys, and I've heard guys say pretty, but you vent sometimes
• 23:23
  and something shallow like that you don't say at the party.
• 23:25
  You don't say it in front of all these people.
• 23:28
  You don't make a show of ripping up the number.
• 23:30
  You know, I didn't think that he was a bad guy because he didn't
• 23:32
  want to go on a date with this girl.
• 23:34
  You know, it was like he saw her from across the room.
• 23:36
  She was smoking a cigar, looking cool as fuck, frankly.
• 23:39
  And he's like, OK, well, I'm going to shoot my shot.
• 23:41
  And then after talking to her realize, oh, I actually don't
• 23:44
  like her personality. That's perfectly fine.
• 23:47
  But then when he's like ripping up the number, making a big show
• 23:50
  of it, and then talking about how her butt's too big for a
• 23:52
  regular airplane seat, that's when I'm like.
• 23:54
  Which, by the way, I bet you that woman weighed, Yeah, 90
• 23:58
  lbs. That was, yeah, even more than
• 24:00
  that. She was conventionally so thin.
• 24:04
  But The thing is so like Vince Vaughn proves in this movie
• 24:08
  through the whole thing that he is a good guy.
• 24:10
  This is what I this is what I wonder with because the
• 24:14
  womanizing would seem that he's not a good person, but he looks
• 24:18
  out for his friends so much. He seemingly he's not.
• 24:23
  I don't see him really be disrespectful to a woman in the
• 24:27
  room or anything. He just seems like a good guy.
• 24:29
  He like, you know, he avoids confrontation.
• 24:33
  I don't know, what do you think? Well, I think that there is.
• 24:36
  I agree that he is not explicitly disrespectful to
• 24:39
  women to their faces, but the way that they I feel really torn
• 24:44
  about the way that he's trying to explain to Mike how he how he
• 24:48
  plays his game, you know, like Mike is, you know, for the he's
• 24:54
  got his own faults too. He's like all the women here are
• 24:56
  nasty skanks which they I forgot.
• 24:59
  He's jaded from a breakup. He's jaded.
• 25:01
  He doesn't really think that. He's just trying to convince
• 25:03
  himself that he he doesn't want any of them because deep down he
• 25:06
  doesn't think he can get any. Exactly so he's putting them
• 25:10
  down so that he doesn't have to be like rejected, which I get
• 25:14
  you know, we've all we've we've all been there right I.
• 25:18
  Don't want to get booked in Phoenix, whatever.
• 25:19
  I don't. I don't even.
• 25:20
  I don't like the heat. I hate Phoenix.
• 25:22
  And then meanwhile if they book me, I'm like Phoenix fucking
• 25:24
  rules. Yeah.
• 25:24
  So you're like, I take it all back.
• 25:26
  That's, of course. That's what Mike he's doing and
• 25:27
  Vince is trying to help him out. Yeah, yeah, I think that he,
• 25:31
  there's some stuff that he says like, you know, you see how they
• 25:34
  dress when you go out. They don't want you to respect
• 25:37
  them. They want honesty.
• 25:39
  But. You can have both by the way
• 25:42
  you. Can you can.
• 25:43
  Definitely respect somebody and be honest at the same time.
• 25:45
  That makes me think like he sees himself not necessarily as like
• 25:49
  a good guy. He sees himself as like a
• 25:51
  winner. But it's, but it's hard to tell
• 25:54
  because a lot of that I think is just that like that peacocking
• 25:58
  of being in your 20s and being a guy trying to make it in LA, you
• 26:02
  know? And again, it's of the time.
• 26:04
  And also, like, comedies aren't supposed to be, they're
• 26:07
  definitely for the era. You know, all of these like
• 26:11
  raunchy early comedies, people give them shit.
• 26:13
  And it's like, well, it's not, it's not the Godfather.
• 26:16
  It's not supposed to hold up for 100 years.
• 26:19
  So there are those things. It's a time capsule.
• 26:22
  It just is how certain things were.
• 26:25
  So I try to. I try to think of that.
• 26:27
  Yeah, that's what I try to do. I mean, really, anytime I'm
• 26:30
  talking about a movie from especially this era, like the
• 26:35
  90s and early 2000s, to think about things in the context of
• 26:39
  when they were made to say, like, is this a reflection of
• 26:43
  the time? Was it ahead of its time?
• 26:45
  Was it dragging behind? And I think with this one, it
• 26:48
  was ahead of its time in the way that it showed this like
• 26:53
  tenderness and care among male friends.
• 26:58
  It was almost like, but at the same time, it was almost like a
• 27:01
  reverse Bechtel test where like so much of the movie, they are
• 27:05
  talking about women. We don't really see women a lot.
• 27:09
  We don't hear from women a lot. But like the whole thing is
• 27:12
  like. What is the Bechtel test again?
• 27:13
  It's like how much if there's like women talking in a movie,
• 27:18
  how much of the time are they talking about a man?
• 27:23
  And also like how much are they talking in general?
• 27:26
  Not a ton, I mean, because what are what does it start with?
• 27:30
  It's the first women we meet are the girls in Vegas, right?
• 27:34
  That are, I mean, there's women at the poker table or whatever,
• 27:36
  but the first like women we meet are the ones in Vegas and that
• 27:40
  that doesn't seem crazy one sided.
• 27:42
  They're just like having a trailer conversation, right?
• 27:45
  Totally, yeah. But one thing that I I did think
• 27:48
  was funny about that scene. What?
• 27:50
  I don't know, maybe, maybe I'm a little naive, but it seemed to
• 27:53
  me like such a male fantasy that like you would just find 2
• 27:58
  beautiful women who like want to have sex with you that easy.
• 28:03
  Of course, and that's the world they're trying to build.
• 28:05
  And again, that it is. It is funny though, because at
• 28:10
  least they have which it would suck to be the woman in this
• 28:13
  position. They're just two women at a bar,
• 28:16
  and when you walk up on them, they can't just be standing
• 28:20
  there having a drink by themselves.
• 28:21
  There were what, 30 guys, right? And the seas, pardon Vincent and
• 28:26
  Favreau walk up. But these girls were even like
• 28:29
  outward facing, as if to say, like, there's there's no way
• 28:32
  that we could just be here and just have a drink.
• 28:35
  Of course, we're like, if I went into a bar with 40 women, me and
• 28:38
  a buddy, we could easily just sit and have a drink.
• 28:41
  I'd like to think that we couldn't, but we could.
• 28:42
  We probably wouldn't get talked to you all night.
• 28:44
  You probably have a perfectly fine conversation.
• 28:47
  So that but that like I don't know if that would mean the
• 28:50
  movie doesn't hold up. Unfortunately, that is just a
• 28:53
  reality in in that sucks, but that is how it is.
• 28:58
  Probably if those two women did go to that bar, that's probably
• 29:01
  what would be happening. Doesn't make it OK, but that
• 29:04
  doesn't mean it's a bad scene in the right.
• 29:07
  Am I making? Sense No, I I totally agree.
• 29:08
  It's not like I'm not gonna hold Jon Favreau accountable for
• 29:13
  being like, you should have made sure that those women were
• 29:17
  having a conversation with each other and told those guys to go
• 29:21
  away. It would have been that would
• 29:23
  have been the and that a nice thing to see.
• 29:25
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 29:26
  Like, it would have been good if maybe they had just kind of put
• 29:30
  them, you know, humbled them a little bit.
• 29:32
  But I mean, Jon Favreau's character did humble himself
• 29:35
  when he called Nikki 15 times or whatever.
• 29:39
  And that's what that's what I like about Does it hold up is
• 29:43
  that he didn't make him. He made himself a huge mark in
• 29:48
  the movie. Like it.
• 29:49
  He's so heartbroken, and he sacrificed sex, having sex with
• 29:54
  a woman because he just couldn't do it.
• 29:55
  And then they end up talking and stops Vince Vaughn from having
• 29:58
  sex, which was great, too. And then they just make coffee
• 30:02
  and Vince is in that little robe.
• 30:04
  Oh, my God. And you know what's funny is
• 30:07
  I've never been, if it's ever happened where I have to stop
• 30:11
  having sex, Yeah, it's all it's like, all right, yeah, I've
• 30:15
  never been like, okay, it just, I don't know, maybe I got that
• 30:19
  low tea, but it never it. I've never been like, it's just
• 30:23
  like, yeah, all right, well. Next time you're like, well, I
• 30:25
  guess next time. We'll get him again.
• 30:26
  Yeah, totally. But, you know, in this case, it
• 30:29
  was sort of it was a once in a lifetime the opportunity in
• 30:33
  Vegas, you know, with this girl, he's never going to see her
• 30:36
  again. But surely, surely he's going to
• 30:39
  have sex again within the next three days.
• 30:41
  The handful of times I've been yeah, right, Vince Vaughn has no
• 30:44
  problem. But the handful of times I've
• 30:45
  been to Las Vegas, the thought of I've been married for all
• 30:49
  let's say I wasn't married, the thought of trying to meet a
• 30:53
  girl. It's a it's a everywhere.
• 30:55
  It feels like a basketball game just got out.
• 30:57
  It's. Absolutely.
• 30:58
  All madness and chaos, yeah. And if you did talk to a person,
• 31:04
  a girl, it's going to be a girl with 15 other people or
• 31:08
  something. If I if I saw someone by
• 31:10
  themselves, I'd be weirded out. I would think they were there,
• 31:12
  like leaving Las Vegas style or something.
• 31:14
  Absolutely. You'd be like.
• 31:16
  Or they're lost or they're on Molly or something and they just
• 31:18
  don't know what's going on. You're like, am I going to call
• 31:21
  an ambulance or am I going to call?
• 31:23
  Like, who are we going to call here?
• 31:24
  Yeah, yeah, totally. I think Vegas would be an
• 31:27
  impossible place to meet people. But you know what?
• 31:29
  I've seen, I've seen you know, no name, but I've seen it
• 31:32
  happen, friends of mine, and I'm like you good for that.
• 31:35
  You are cooler than the other side of the pillow.
• 31:37
  I don't know how that happened. I mean, it's that Vince Vaughn
• 31:40
  type. You know, here's the thing about
• 31:42
  Vince Vaughn that really kind of baffles me is that in this
• 31:47
  movie, in his early work, I found him to be so charming, so
• 31:51
  charismatic and hot. And then I think throughout his
• 31:55
  career he was just typecast as a bland man, and I haven't really
• 32:01
  felt dazzled by him in decades. Well, they so and again, this
• 32:07
  might go to the point of movies for for dudes, but the frat
• 32:11
  pack, you know, like him and Will Ferrell and Luke Wilson and
• 32:15
  Owen Wilson like that Vince Vaughn's like wedding singers
• 32:18
  and old school and all that stuff absolutely floored me.
• 32:23
  Those when I saw old school and wedding Crashers.
• 32:26
  They were the funniest movies I've ever seen.
• 32:29
  Now Wedding Crashers doesn't hold up.
• 32:30
  I will tell you that if you've ever talked about it.
• 32:32
  We're talking, we're talking about that in a few weeks
• 32:34
  actually. That one is a little where
• 32:36
  you're like, yeah, yeah. But they again, they don't like,
• 32:41
  you know, Rachel McAdams touch it or no who Bradley Cooper
• 32:45
  touches on it when he goes. They go to weddings and trick
• 32:47
  women into having sex with them. And it's a it's an interesting
• 32:51
  conversation to have because what is that?
• 32:54
  The trick is that they know someone at the wedding, so
• 32:57
  that's the trick. Right.
• 32:59
  Or that they, like, prey on vulnerable women.
• 33:01
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 33:03
  And then see, I struggle with this as being like sort of
• 33:05
  ignorant in that sense. Like, what Where's the line of,
• 33:09
  like, praying on someone? Like if you go to a wedding and
• 33:12
  somebody, it just is overwhelmed with the feeling of love and I
• 33:16
  want to get married. And I, you know, I can see this
• 33:18
  in this person tonight. Is that praying on someone?
• 33:21
  That's so tough because part of me is like, well, there are some
• 33:24
  context in which it's better to shoot your shot where you're
• 33:27
  gonna have a better chance of like shooting your shot.
• 33:30
  But also there is that there is that line of like I'm are you
• 33:37
  exploiting someone? Well, they lie the whole time
• 33:39
  they're lying. The whole time, yeah.
• 33:41
  So that definitely I. Think that's tricking?
• 33:44
  Makes it like tricking. Yeah, they're because they're
• 33:47
  like even they're at the wedding under false pretenses.
• 33:52
  I think that the fact that they are directly going after
• 33:57
  vulnerable women and not just like, you know, I think.
• 34:00
  Like targeting. Not, yeah, exactly like the way
• 34:03
  that Jon Favreau's character goes up to Lorraine when they're
• 34:08
  in the kind of nearing the end of that Heather.
• 34:10
  Green. Yeah, she's Lorraine.
• 34:11
  Yeah, Which, by the way, what a good get that.
• 34:14
  Oh, my God, It's like Natalie Portman and Garden State where
• 34:16
  you're like everything. This is because Heather Graham
• 34:19
  was the famous person in the movie.
• 34:20
  There was no one else, right? No one else is famous.
• 34:23
  And so they got her, and that seemed like what gave it that
• 34:27
  foothold to get produced and everything.
• 34:30
  Exactly. Yeah, she was really the only.
• 34:32
  Person on her face. I know, right?
• 34:34
  For being like, yeah, all right, I can handle this.
• 34:36
  Totally to be like, yeah, I'll swing dance a little, whatever.
• 34:40
  That that situation felt a little bit different to me than
• 34:45
  something like, you know, the guys in Wedding Crashers.
• 34:47
  Because even though she was kind of fresh out of a breakup, he
• 34:54
  didn't know that until after they had started talking a
• 34:57
  little. Bit when he was too, by the way,
• 34:58
  fresh out of a breakup. Yeah, yeah, I'm not saying this.
• 35:01
  This is where because you can, you can definitely go talk to
• 35:07
  someone in a bar that's kind of a social contract you've signed.
• 35:10
  No, you shouldn't hound someone. You shouldn't. 30 people.
• 35:14
  Like if I saw a guy talking to a girl, I shouldn't go up.
• 35:17
  You wouldn't say can I button. Excuse me, can I buy you a
• 35:20
  drink? You know, maybe whatever.
• 35:23
  Maybe there's a circumstance where even that would be OK, but
• 35:24
  that seems insane to me. But if someone is alone or a
• 35:27
  group of people, it's OK to walk up and talk.
• 35:30
  If they say fuck off, then you gotta fuck off.
• 35:33
  That's that's kind of the thing. So him approaching her because
• 35:37
  she was alone, he's alone and he doesn't do he doesn't have any
• 35:41
  tricks right At the end, he just, you know, you can go talk
• 35:43
  to someone. Yeah, that holds up.
• 35:45
  And the fact that we see that the first time that he is
• 35:49
  actually honest with someone and.
• 35:51
  He's not trying. To put on a front that it works,
• 35:54
  kind of going directly against the advice that he got from
• 35:56
  Trent in the beginning of the movie when he's like, girls
• 35:59
  don't want or no what? Maybe he does say they want you
• 36:03
  to be honest. I can't.
• 36:04
  I can't remember. By the way, Trent, isn't some
• 36:07
  people, not just women, some people don't want.
• 36:12
  They want. Some people do just want to go
• 36:14
  have sex, men and women both. So there there is.
• 36:18
  That can be OK. Yeah, but it doesn't have to be.
• 36:22
  You don't have to be so steadfast and driven that that
• 36:25
  is the only option. Absolutely.
• 36:28
  You. I could.
• 36:28
  I can't imagine why I wouldn't know what to do if I just
• 36:32
  started making up a story Wedding Crashers more where
• 36:35
  they're talking about being astronauts and baseball players
• 36:37
  and but if I did anything other than be honest, I wouldn't even
• 36:42
  know how to say the words. Totally like when and we see it
• 36:46
  when. Especially in a cold call like
• 36:47
  that. Where?
• 36:48
  Hey, I'm Sean. I you're you're attractive.
• 36:51
  You know, what are you? How you doing?
• 36:53
  I can't even imagine doing anything other than that.
• 36:55
  Hey, I'm Sean. You.
• 36:57
  You're gorgeous. I'd.
• 36:58
  Can I buy you a drink? Right.
• 36:59
  But even then, this is what I'm saying, like you should be able
• 37:05
  to do that. But it seems because I talked to
• 37:08
  my wife about it, the reason that I asked her out is because
• 37:12
  I saw her and I thought she was beautiful.
• 37:14
  And so because she gave me a little push back on that where
• 37:18
  and I'm like, well, that that's just the initial thing, you
• 37:22
  know, it's not the only thing. But that's what I noticed, you
• 37:25
  know, and beauty in the eye of the beholder.
• 37:28
  Like, everyone's beautiful. But of course, for me, I saw my
• 37:32
  wife and I thought, yeah, you know, and then and then I fell
• 37:34
  in love with her. Yeah.
• 37:35
  So like, you gotta be able to walk up and talk to someone.
• 37:38
  Totally like there's I think that you can't blame someone for
• 37:42
  thinking that another person is attractive and for that being
• 37:46
  the drive to go up and talk to them.
• 37:48
  Otherwise like how would people? And not aiming.
• 37:51
  Again, not saying you like if you do want to just walk up to
• 37:54
  someone and strike up a conversation, whether or not you
• 37:56
  think they're attractive, and then you end up falling in love
• 37:59
  for other reasons, Perfect. That's perfectly.
• 38:02
  Fine, that can all happen. And you could even strike up a
• 38:04
  conversation with someone who you think might be interesting
• 38:07
  just to be friends. But that's not really what this
• 38:10
  movie is, you know? No, it's all about that's,
• 38:13
  that's the interesting part. Like does it hold up because
• 38:15
  it's all sex driven? And yeah, I don't know, it's fun
• 38:19
  to talk about. But the thing that's interesting
• 38:21
  too is that this movie ultimately is not necessarily
• 38:27
  about the these guys like pursuing women or really even
• 38:33
  about like the ex-girlfriend herself.
• 38:35
  It's about the friendship between these guys.
• 38:38
  Like the real love story is between Trent and Mike, you
• 38:41
  know? And so it on the one hand, it
• 38:43
  makes me feel like, Oh, well, I guess the women are just kind of
• 38:45
  like chess pieces in this game where they're just building a
• 38:49
  connection with each other as men.
• 38:53
  But also it is really there's something really sweet and
• 38:57
  something I think that we lost in a lot of the bromantic
• 39:01
  comedies since then, where they are just so caring to each other
• 39:06
  and like their friendship is so it's so tender.
• 39:10
  It's so heartfelt. They really care about each
• 39:12
  other. Like when when Rob comes over to
• 39:15
  Mike's house, when he's like. When he stinks and the blinds
• 39:18
  are. Drawn you haven't eaten.
• 39:20
  You didn't eat yesterday. And he just is like truly, truly
• 39:25
  there to like take care of his friend.
• 39:28
  And I think that's so sweet to see.
• 39:30
  Of course it was. Yeah, one of the.
• 39:33
  Yeah, it. What am I trying to say?
• 39:36
  I've always felt like that with my friends.
• 39:38
  And maybe movies like this had an influence on that where yeah,
• 39:42
  I'll bring my friends all the time.
• 39:44
  I want to like, hey, I'm coming over and you want you need
• 39:47
  anything you want a sandwich or a coffee or whatever.
• 39:49
  Like it's just, that's how you got to be.
• 39:51
  I say I love you to my friends. Oh yeah, all the time.
• 39:54
  We hang up the phone and you would think we were married.
• 39:56
  Totally. So I I love that relationship
• 40:00
  between those 2 specifically. Because they're always calling
• 40:02
  each other baby too. So you are kind of like, it's
• 40:05
  sort of like you're in love, but they are in love in a, in a way.
• 40:09
  I'm in love with all of my friends.
• 40:10
  I just don't want to phone them. Absolutely.
• 40:12
  Yeah, we're definitely in love with my friends, of course.
• 40:15
  And that is, I mean, and that is really, I think sweet to hear,
• 40:21
  especially in as they're as they're putting on this like
• 40:26
  aesthetic of the of swing time, you know, like sort of this like
• 40:30
  old Frank Sinatra type of vibe where men probably wouldn't have
• 40:36
  any tenderness with each other. Frank and Dean, you don't.
• 40:42
  You want to talk about something that doesn't hold up?
• 40:44
  Yeah, I bet. Catch them in a bar some.
• 40:46
  Night. Yeah, you don't.
• 40:47
  None of that would hold up. Absolutely not, there's a lot
• 40:50
  way more F slurs than that you've.
• 40:51
  Seen Have you seen Frank Sinatra's mug shot?
• 40:55
  Oh yeah. He is so fucking attractive.
• 40:59
  Oh yeah, He looks like what you would think, a bank like Johnny
• 41:02
  Depp in Public Enemies. That's what Frank Sinatra really
• 41:05
  looked like. Oh yeah, it's I, I saw it like a
• 41:09
  month ago for the first time. It blew my mind.
• 41:11
  He just. You saw it for the first time a
• 41:12
  month ago. I think so.
• 41:13
  He just looks phenomenal. And he was arrested for being
• 41:17
  like too hot or something. Having just the right amount of
• 41:23
  alcohol in him, Yep. But still being over whatever
• 41:25
  the legal limit was at that time.
• 41:27
  Oh yeah, probably a judgment call.
• 41:29
  Yeah, probably. Yeah, totally.
• 41:32
  I feel like it was kind of refreshing to see these guys in
• 41:36
  like, you know what was easily confused as a period piece to a
• 41:40
  14 or 15 year old. Like they just look so cool.
• 41:44
  They look so cool, but it comes with way less of the baggage of,
• 41:49
  oh, they hate women, you know? It doesn't feel like that at
• 41:53
  all. It just feels like they're
• 41:54
  hustling, which, you know, is a bit smarmy, but it doesn't feel
• 41:57
  like they're, yeah, I don't know, See, it's, it's who wants
• 42:01
  to hear a man say this? So I, I why I hesitate because
• 42:04
  it is true. Who gives a fuck what I have to
• 42:05
  say? Do you feel like they were using
• 42:09
  anyone or like being. I don't know.
• 42:11
  I think on the one hand they were well, this is another thing
• 42:15
  that's kind of a Gray area where when you're supporting a friend
• 42:20
  going through a breakup, you want to help them, you want to
• 42:23
  help them feel better, you want to help them get their groove
• 42:26
  back. And you say, OK, how can we help
• 42:28
  you get laid? I used to have a bit of this has
• 42:31
  not done that I. Used to have a bit about that
• 42:33
  where I can't remember the bit. It was so bad, so such a bad
• 42:36
  comedian. But that was the the crux of it,
• 42:38
  the thesis of like me going through a breakup and my friend
• 42:41
  saying, all right, let's go, we're going to get you laid.
• 42:43
  And I'm like, how? Tell me how you're going to do
• 42:45
  that? What are you going to do?
• 42:47
  How could you make that happen? Because it doesn't, you can go
• 42:52
  out and I, I'm definitely, I'm a really good 3rd, 5th, 7th wheel.
• 42:57
  I can, I can fall in great with a group of people and I can
• 43:01
  definitely try to facilitate a friend, someone talking to
• 43:05
  another person with sex being the end goal.
• 43:07
  Yeah, however that looks. Totally.
• 43:09
  But it's, it's on you. It's not.
• 43:11
  It's not on my friends. Of course you can't be pulling.
• 43:13
  You can't be pulling all the weight.
• 43:15
  No, you know, they could they could lob something up, but I'll
• 43:17
  definitely find a way to screw it up for sure.
• 43:20
  And I have because it's happened a few to where some friends of
• 43:23
  mine just it just worked. And they're like, I think this
• 43:25
  girl thinks she might be into you right?
• 43:27
  And that I mean countless times the next day where they're like,
• 43:30
  what happened? I go with nothing.
• 43:31
  Well, obviously nothing, yeah. That I I'm me and nothing
• 43:34
  happened. And I mean, that's what happened
• 43:35
  to Mike. They tried.
• 43:36
  They all tried so hard. They gave him all the lessons
• 43:39
  they could. They set it up perfectly.
• 43:40
  They gave him the lob. And then, of course, he could
• 43:43
  not help himself but to call her that night, leave his
• 43:46
  voicemails, you know. I keep trying.
• 43:48
  I feel like I don't want to Babble too much.
• 43:49
  I want to bring it back to the point of doesn't.
• 43:51
  Hold up. OK, but that to me holds up
• 43:54
  because he he felt like he was being too aggressive.
• 43:59
  So just all the like just ran through it and then she called
• 44:02
  and he was eluded. You know, of course you'd think
• 44:05
  he was psychotic, right? And then he never did call her
• 44:08
  again, which to his credit, he he's like, you're right, sorry,
• 44:11
  right. I messed that up.
• 44:12
  Absolutely, and also it was when.
• 44:14
  She answers. Makes me turtle up so bad.
• 44:18
  That part I mean. And you've been there the whole
• 44:20
  time. Yeah, Mike, don't ever call me
• 44:25
  again. Call me again.
• 44:27
  I cut you off. I'm sorry, what were you saying?
• 44:28
  Oh God, now I let me see what was I going to say?
• 44:30
  Oh yeah, the recurring bit of people saying oh you should call
• 44:35
  that Nikki girl it's been 2 days.
• 44:37
  And also how they call IT industry standard.
• 44:39
  That shit was hilarious to me. So funny.
• 44:42
  We used that one for a while. Just it's such a fun, simple
• 44:47
  version of some slang. But when you do break it down to
• 44:50
  what he's talking about, like their industry is just having
• 44:54
  sex and the industry standard is 2 days.
• 44:57
  But I remember trying to put that into practice.
• 44:59
  Like if you 'cause I was still when I'm 14/15/16, that was
• 45:05
  getting numbers. There was no Myspace didn't
• 45:08
  start until I was, I don't 20, I don't know.
• 45:11
  But we were still like literally getting numbers and writing them
• 45:14
  on paper. And that was the currency for
• 45:17
  dating back then. So I did try to put that into
• 45:20
  practice because you did wonder you don't want to get a number
• 45:22
  and immediately call. But now I wonder what did.
• 45:25
  So like you find someone's Instagram or whatever do you
• 45:29
  have to wait to DM them? I don't know.
• 45:32
  These are the rules that I don't know.
• 45:34
  I was going to, I was going to ask you, but I feel like you're
• 45:37
  the wrong person to ask because you're married.
• 45:39
  Well, when we So it's funny because when we met Laura's,
• 45:43
  Laura would have fit perfectly in the 50s.
• 45:45
  She's, I mean, just like, looks amazing in a swing dress.
• 45:48
  One of the people who can, like, spin around in the dress furls
• 45:51
  up and you're like, you, this is the decade you belong in.
• 45:53
  That's awesome. But I sent her a message on
• 45:55
  Facebook. That's where the first.
• 45:57
  So the. Yeah.
• 45:58
  So I sent her a message on Facebook, small talk and then I
• 46:02
  think I asked her out and she goes, if you call me on the
• 46:05
  phone, we can maybe talk about that.
• 46:06
  That's awesome. So I was terrified at work and
• 46:09
  I'm like pacing around outside. But that is the true you got to
• 46:13
  talk to someone because when you type, you got all this time to
• 46:16
  think about it. You can't get a get a feel for
• 46:18
  someone. You need to I need to know how
• 46:20
  they are on the fly. Are you saying what are you
• 46:22
  saying right now to make me laugh?
• 46:23
  Not in 10 minutes to make me laugh.
• 46:25
  What are you running by your friends in that 10 minutes?
• 46:28
  I need you on the phone. So she was right.
• 46:30
  That's awesome. I did an okay job, I think.
• 46:32
  I mean, I must have because we now we were married with a kid.
• 46:35
  So yeah. Totally.
• 46:35
  It worked out. You must have not screwed it up
• 46:37
  that much. But I remember because it was,
• 46:39
  it harkened back to the day where, yeah, that sense of those
• 46:45
  butterflies, they're so much more real when you're in the
• 46:49
  moment. Oh my God, yeah.
• 46:51
  So I don't know what it's like now.
• 46:52
  You probably got to wait. I don't know.
• 46:54
  Nick, you got any idea? No, I don't know.
• 46:58
  I don't know if I would wait. Maybe.
• 47:01
  I think it's OK to to message someone maybe like late later
• 47:08
  that night or the next day to be like, hey, it was really nice to
• 47:11
  meet you, you know? I would, we would go to the
• 47:15
  skating rink when I was, you know, 12/13/14 when we were
• 47:19
  just, Dave and I were just talking about this the other
• 47:21
  day, like when you started talking on the phone to girls
• 47:24
  when that was the, you know, and we would call that night.
• 47:28
  We would get a number and we'd get home and call and talk for
• 47:32
  hours. But we wouldn't say it'd be like
• 47:36
  3-4 minutes of dialogue. We'd be on the phone for 45
• 47:38
  minutes. Totally.
• 47:39
  You'd be like the phone get passed around.
• 47:41
  We just talked about this, but we would call that night.
• 47:44
  But as far as dating older, I don't know.
• 47:47
  I definitely wouldn't get a number and call that night
• 47:49
  texting I might. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing.
• 47:51
  I would, I would send a text or like Adm or whatever later that
• 47:55
  night and say, hey, it was great to meet you.
• 47:56
  Because now getting a number, I suppose if you still do that,
• 47:59
  you get someone's number if that's your first interaction as
• 48:02
  opposed to Instagram or something, right?
• 48:04
  If you get their number, you text and you immediately open
• 48:06
  the dialogue by saying, hey, this is Sean, here's my number,
• 48:09
  This is Sean, nice to meet you. So now the dialogue's open, so
• 48:12
  there's no wait period, there's no industry standard.
• 48:15
  There's no industry standard. That's the thing.
• 48:16
  We have no monoculture anymore. So how are we supposed to have
• 48:19
  an industry standard, you know? Couldn't tell you, that's tough
• 48:22
  and I feel like people maybe now, I guess age 2 has something
• 48:27
  to do with it, but less time for games.
• 48:29
  The older I know for sure, the older people get, the less
• 48:31
  they're like why would you wait? That's two days.
• 48:34
  We could have been date on a date or totally.
• 48:36
  Yeah. They're like, why would I waste
• 48:37
  my time? Like, I'm gonna be out of town
• 48:39
  next week. I better make it happen now.
• 48:41
  So yeah, I will say, OK, I will say that one time I was in the
• 48:47
  process of planning a date with someone and we like, had a time
• 48:52
  set up a few days later. And he called me on the phone on
• 48:58
  like a Friday in the middle of the day.
• 49:00
  And I was like, hello, like what's up?
• 49:06
  And he was like, oh, I'm just driving to work.
• 49:08
  Thought I just called a chat and I was.
• 49:11
  Thought I'd give you a ring and you're like fuck.
• 49:13
  I was like you what I said I have to I have to work like what
• 49:18
  are you crazy and cancel the date because I was like this guy
• 49:22
  is this is he's too needy. See what a weird too much, what
• 49:26
  an interesting way Like since he called you, you were like, Nah,
• 49:29
  I can't. I was like, it's too thirsty,
• 49:31
  it's too weird. What are we going to talk about?
• 49:33
  What are we going to talk about on the phone that we can't just
• 49:35
  talk about in 2 days? That was always my thing was
• 49:38
  being too thirsty. I remember this girl.
• 49:39
  I won't say your name, but I would always whenever I knew
• 49:45
  someone was going to be with her, like just hanging out or
• 49:47
  whatever, I'd be like, I'll put in a good word for me and I and
• 49:49
  I would, but I did that. I bet you I did that 2030 times
• 49:54
  and it's finally one day she's like, why do you always tell
• 49:57
  people to do this? And I, I've like shit.
• 50:01
  And I got so nervous 'cause then I'm like, then the whole
• 50:04
  conversation went through my head where I was thinking, I bet
• 50:07
  they go, hey, Sean said to put a good word.
• 50:10
  I mean, I bet they were just literally saying that to where
• 50:13
  she's like, why the does he have negative confidence?
• 50:16
  Because I did. I did, you know, I still do
• 50:18
  where it's just I just never developed that level of comfort
• 50:23
  with with women. In my case with women, I just it
• 50:27
  never happened. My only thing was my lack of
• 50:30
  game was real. That turned into as soon as
• 50:34
  somebody could fuck, I could tell that that was that it was
• 50:37
  real. That wasn't like then that was
• 50:39
  like all of a sudden attractive, right?
• 50:41
  That was the, you know, yeah. And then eventually I did figure
• 50:43
  that out. It's like, Oh well, I guess
• 50:45
  that's what I got then. Right.
• 50:48
  That's that's my tool. But watching this, watching
• 50:50
  them, I just I never lived in a world.
• 50:53
  I maybe knew one or two people that were capable of doing what
• 50:57
  Trent does in this movie. Oh yeah.
• 50:58
  And like, I saw it work. But they were always so they
• 51:00
  were the hottest of our friends. Of course, you know those people
• 51:03
  that that was never me, that no, nobody was ever like, Oh my God,
• 51:08
  Sean's the cute one out of the out of the 10 guys.
• 51:11
  It was always like our friend Trevor or you look at now you're
• 51:15
  objectively, you're like, yeah, he's he was always beautiful.
• 51:18
  You're like, of course he's going to be the.
• 51:19
  One, he never had the acne. It was just, you know, all those
• 51:22
  things. But so this is another
• 51:25
  interesting part about like, does it hold up?
• 51:26
  Because I always looked at that like it was so far away from
• 51:29
  anything that I could ever even think about doing to.
• 51:33
  It was more of like a fantasy than thinking about how they
• 51:37
  were treating women at the time. Right.
• 51:39
  Yeah, of course. I mean, of course, at like such
• 51:42
  a formative age too, where you were like, you know, you were a
• 51:45
  teen, you were looking at these guys being like.
• 51:48
  Just so and. This is what just so horny being
• 51:50
  like. I guess this is what it's like
• 51:52
  to be a grown up is you just go up to people.
• 51:54
  It is funny when you think about it and you're like, is that what
• 51:56
  bars are like? And then you start going to bars
• 51:58
  in Sioux Falls, SD in 2000 three whenever I turn 21 and you're.
• 52:04
  Like no, no. One's swinging.
• 52:06
  No, they're fighting. They're smoking inside, like
• 52:09
  fighting, ordering drinks, more fights.
• 52:11
  You know, there's three girls, there's 70 guys.
• 52:14
  One of them's bleeding. That guy's bleeding and they
• 52:17
  didn't kick him out the door. Guy hates everyone.
• 52:20
  Everybody wants to have sex. No one's going to.
• 52:22
  I need to get out of here before they all fight in the parking
• 52:24
  lot. That was most of it.
• 52:26
  That's and, and basically every night, yeah, there is that like,
• 52:33
  I don't know, the LA of it all is really funny because on the
• 52:35
  one hand you see kind of this this fantasy of guys who are
• 52:41
  able to some of them able to like talk to women really
• 52:44
  easily. They're going to these clubs,
• 52:47
  which at the time were exactly what you were seeing, right?
• 52:51
  Like they didn't hire extras. Those cool people were actually
• 52:53
  hanging out there. They were actually in this,
• 52:56
  like, swing revival where people were saying baby.
• 52:59
  And, you know, walking around like Frank Sinatra.
• 53:02
  Like that, on the one hand, is something that really draws you
• 53:06
  into this group of friends, this kind of fantasy world.
• 53:10
  And on the flip side of that, they do make a point to show
• 53:14
  that like all these guys are trying to make it, you know, the
• 53:17
  they're. All they're all actors.
• 53:19
  They're all actors that you know, one of the guys doesn't
• 53:22
  get the role as goofy. One of them doesn't have a
• 53:25
  booking agent, but he's telling all the women he does like
• 53:28
  they're all just kind of. That all holds up.
• 53:30
  That all holds up so well. And I think that is, I mean, as
• 53:36
  a person who hasn't lived in LA, just looking at it from the
• 53:39
  outside, it feels like that is so true to the experience of
• 53:45
  young people in LA where on the one hand you're like, Oh my God,
• 53:48
  I'm going to all these cool places.
• 53:50
  I know where the place is where there's no sign, and I'm going
• 53:53
  to impress people because I know how to get there.
• 53:56
  But then also feeling like you have to overcompensate for the
• 54:00
  fact that you aren't really making it in the way that you
• 54:03
  want to be making it like comparing yourself to your
• 54:06
  friends. Like when Mike and and Ron are
• 54:09
  having that conversation where he's like, you got to stop
• 54:12
  saying your life sucks, man, Because if your life sucks, then
• 54:15
  mine is God damn awful. And it's like, that's that's
• 54:19
  also the part that we need to see.
• 54:21
  And I was really glad that in this movie they show both sides
• 54:26
  of that. It's like a, you know, is this a
• 54:29
  coming of age movie? Yeah, probably.
• 54:31
  Probably right? I mean, LA, LA will definitely,
• 54:36
  it's the, it's the final frontier for fame.
• 54:39
  You know, you could, you're so close because you can't anyone,
• 54:42
  you can move there and you can be, you can go to, you can go to
• 54:46
  a bar on rodeo that will let you pay $60.00 for a martini.
• 54:49
  They'll let you do that. And you can sit next to Jon Hamm
• 54:52
  and you'll be right there. And it will definitely make you
• 54:55
  think that it you're like, well, very I'd bring up.
• 54:59
  That's because that happened to us one time.
• 55:01
  I did the late Late Show and then we Ian took me out to
• 55:03
  dinner at Musso and Frank's, which is this like old Hollywood
• 55:05
  place. It's but Jon Hamm walks in and
• 55:08
  you're like, it, This is where it happens.
• 55:12
  And so of course it makes you feel that way.
• 55:14
  And and it hurts so much when you just you're like, why the
• 55:18
  fuck can't I do get there? You know, because the all the
• 55:24
  Stew of what you need to get to make that happen.
• 55:27
  And so talent is just a fraction of what you need.
• 55:29
  Right place, right time, look, connections, all that, a little
• 55:32
  bit of money, you need all that. Stuff, I mean, and these guys I
• 55:35
  mean these guys had no money when they made this they were
• 55:39
  they were just slopping it together when they first
• 55:42
  screened it, they like didn't have anyone distributing it.
• 55:44
  They just rented out a theater of 500 people, invited all their
• 55:48
  friends and some for like some reason, a couple of people from
• 55:54
  Miramax happened to be there and it was like.
• 55:56
  Another thing about LA totally that can and does happen.
• 56:01
  I never, I never had much come of it, but I did.
• 56:04
  AI was doing a stand up show one time and this guy came up and he
• 56:06
  was from NBC, gave me his card. I went in for a general the next
• 56:09
  day. Yeah, nothing happened, but but
• 56:11
  they're there. Or I've done stand up shows
• 56:13
  where somebody came up, they were from Netflix or whatever.
• 56:16
  And that happens in Los Angeles. It doesn't happen in Portland.
• 56:20
  That doesn't happen in Aunt Walmart in Austin anymore.
• 56:23
  But it just LA, New York, that's where.
• 56:26
  So when you go there, it's you're you're touching it.
• 56:28
  You're not even kind of you're touching the dream.
• 56:30
  You just can't. It's a tricky place.
• 56:34
  So that holds up. That's very accurate with that
• 56:36
  scene. Like it's so depressing, but
• 56:37
  also so vibrant and so exhilarating and motivating to
• 56:41
  be in that world with these people.
• 56:44
  You go get a burrito and you're like, you know, fucking Matt
• 56:48
  Damon. There's Matt Damon also getting
• 56:49
  a burrito and. He's rich and famous getting a
• 56:52
  burrito. Yeah, but there's Parker Posey,
• 56:54
  right? Look at us.
• 56:55
  We're both. We both like ice cream.
• 56:57
  So why can't I? Be so, why can't I be fucking
• 56:58
  famous? It's it'll you'll it'll do that
• 57:01
  to you and that's sometimes it works and that's what's you
• 57:06
  being in stand up. I I just that's my reference,
• 57:08
  but I've seen it work. You know, I've I've seen it
• 57:11
  where this is just some person that I was with, not some.
• 57:14
  This is like one of my best friends who I'm with and then
• 57:17
  they get jobs and now they're in TV shows and now they're writing
• 57:20
  and it just, it does happen, right?
• 57:23
  But it's tricky. So LALA is a is a crazy place
• 57:27
  like that. Brutal, brutal, but also like,
• 57:31
  aspirational. Like everything's a little.
• 57:34
  And that's what again with this, they just on a shoestring
• 57:38
  budget, they made this movie and it's one of the biggest cult
• 57:40
  classics. Oh yeah.
• 57:41
  Which by the way, I just found out that cult is short for
• 57:43
  culture. I never knew that.
• 57:45
  Wait, are you serious? Yeah, well in this I so I
• 57:47
  thought cult classic meant like it was a cult of people that
• 57:50
  like this movie. That's what I thought too.
• 57:52
  Well, I think, am I wrong? Am I wrong?
• 57:54
  Culture. Cult stands for culture.
• 57:55
  It's short for Culture Classic, right?
• 57:57
  Someone take this microphone away from me.
• 57:59
  What the fuck am I doing with this podcast?
• 58:00
  I just learned that like a month ago.
• 58:03
  Yeah. That because then when I hit it,
• 58:04
  I'm like, oh, that makes a ton of sense.
• 58:06
  Absolutely. But also so does the way that we
• 58:08
  thought of it, by the way, I thought of a cult of people
• 58:11
  liking or like, you like office space.
• 58:13
  Yeah, I'm in the cult. I'm in the office space.
• 58:15
  That's. What?
• 58:15
  I thought it was too. OK, wow.
• 58:17
  Well, thank you for validating. Me.
• 58:19
  And now we know. Something, and now we know
• 58:20
  something. And now, audience, you have
• 58:22
  gotten to see this happen in real time.
• 58:24
  I've been humbled. I love that shit.
• 58:26
  I learned stuff on our podcast all the time because you and
• 58:28
  David are, I hesitate to say smarter, even though they both
• 58:31
  might be. But what I will say is more well
• 58:33
  read and just I have more knowledge and so I learned stuff
• 58:38
  from them constantly and I always I'm way past the point of
• 58:42
  being embarrassed if I don't know something like with the
• 58:44
  back toll test. I would way rather ask and have
• 58:46
  that stick in my memory totally then wonder or have to go Google
• 58:50
  it later. Or like or talk about it
• 58:52
  pretending like. Oh yeah, I totally know what
• 58:54
  that is. You.
• 58:54
  Know that's come back up on me too many times yeah totally even
• 58:58
  lying about seeing something and then someone will ask a specific
• 59:00
  and you got to be like and you got to be.
• 59:01
  Like lying. Listen, I was lying 5 seconds
• 59:03
  ago. I did tell you a lie.
• 59:05
  I've. Never.
• 59:06
  Yeah, I resolved to not do that. As much as I can avoid it, I
• 59:10
  avoid it in my adult life. Good.
• 59:12
  It has to happen sometimes where you just you're like, do I feel
• 59:16
  like talking to to the stranger about why I haven't seen this
• 59:19
  movie for 10 minutes? Or should I lie and say I have
• 59:22
  and have it be a 32nd conversation?
• 59:27
  Yeah, you get, you get in too much trouble when you do that
• 59:30
  too much. So you just got it.
• 59:31
  And like, honestly, when if you tell someone that you haven't
• 59:34
  seen something or that you don't know something and they're like,
• 59:37
  you have it, you didn't know that, then I know that that's a
• 59:40
  conversation I'm ready to leave. Also, fuck them, yeah.
• 59:42
  And. Them I I'm I'm also done saying
• 59:45
  this. I try my best to be done with
• 59:47
  this is Oh my God, you haven't seen that.
• 59:49
  I try because because who wants to hear?
• 59:52
  That I know. I know.
• 59:54
  And then all of a sudden I'm looking down on you.
• 59:55
  I think I'm better than you because I took two hours and I
• 59:57
  watched a movie. Something It's like when people.
• 1:00:00
  Where you were maybe reading a book instead that I haven't read
• 1:00:02
  because I've only read like 6. So, you know, I, I'm trying to
• 1:00:06
  be done with the oh, you got to see it because no, you don't.
• 1:00:09
  If you had to, you would have. Yeah.
• 1:00:10
  So. And here's the thing too, is
• 1:00:12
  that I think we see that so much in like, you know, seeing
• 1:00:16
  movies. It's like, OK, well it doesn't
• 1:00:18
  take really any skill to go see a movie.
• 1:00:21
  When people say the same thing about like concerts and they're
• 1:00:23
  like, Oh well, I've seen them in concert 10 times.
• 1:00:26
  It's like, OK, so you bought a ticket 10 times like that didn't
• 1:00:29
  take. I didn't take anything or like,
• 1:00:31
  Oh yeah, I've been to that like exclusive bar like 5 times.
• 1:00:34
  It's like, yeah, OK, so you knew where a place was and you went
• 1:00:38
  there. This is, this is sort of
• 1:00:41
  adjacent to how I feel about, you know, those like Dick heads
• 1:00:46
  with big trucks. Big.
• 1:00:47
  It's always a dude with a big truck.
• 1:00:49
  Not saying every guy with a big truck is an asshole, but the
• 1:00:51
  ones that are. So what's supposed to impress me
• 1:00:54
  that you have an extra $300 a month to pay for this truck
• 1:00:57
  That's at the base level. That's what you're doing to me
• 1:01:00
  because you're 3 feet up and you're cutting me off and I'm
• 1:01:04
  supposed to think, oh man, they have 300 extra dollars every
• 1:01:06
  month, right? Wow, it is your turn.
• 1:01:09
  You are. You are much better than me.
• 1:01:11
  It's one, yeah. It's one of those things.
• 1:01:12
  Totally. But when we live in a culture
• 1:01:14
  where like the things you like define your personality, it's
• 1:01:20
  like, you know, that's good. Line from High Fidelity A while
• 1:01:23
  back, Dick, Harry and I realized it's not what you're like, but
• 1:01:26
  what you are like. Books, movies, films, these
• 1:01:28
  things matter. It's what defines you.
• 1:01:30
  That's I think about that totally.
• 1:01:33
  But you know what? Some of the shittiest people
• 1:01:34
  like the same stuff that I do so.
• 1:01:37
  I mean, I The Town is one of my favorite movies.
• 1:01:40
  I bet some shitty people like The town.
• 1:01:43
  I bet you they're not all great guys that like.
• 1:01:45
  Probably not. Probably if you got them all in
• 1:01:46
  a room together, it would kind of look like a South Dakota bar,
• 1:01:49
  is what I'm. Thinking Entourage, you want to
• 1:01:50
  talk about some shit that is that is that would be great
• 1:01:53
  fodder for this show. But Entourage and I, if you cut
• 1:01:56
  through cuz again, it's, it's just a extremely heightened
• 1:02:01
  version of swingers in every aspect.
• 1:02:04
  But like the love with those four guys, they all love each
• 1:02:07
  other and they all are good guys in that show.
• 1:02:11
  But then they say the F word a bunch and they're talking about,
• 1:02:14
  bro, I need to get, you know what I mean?
• 1:02:16
  It's so that's another thing where I like that.
• 1:02:19
  And I bet you some people that are shitty also like that.
• 1:02:22
  Yeah, that totally next time. I know it's a weird one, but the
• 1:02:25
  next time I do this, we should tackle the Entourage movie
• 1:02:28
  because. It would be great.
• 1:02:29
  There's so much shit in there where you're like.
• 1:02:31
  What? In the world were they thinking
• 1:02:34
  when that? I think the first line of
• 1:02:35
  dialogue I think in the movie is drama going, I'm going to have
• 1:02:39
  to jerk it before we get there. I think that's the very first
• 1:02:42
  line. But then you look at like how
• 1:02:46
  they, if you break it down, like how they treat women, Vince, the
• 1:02:48
  famous one, he's he's always respectful.
• 1:02:51
  He is a womanizer and he's he's a man about town, but he's never
• 1:02:55
  fake or anything about it. So it's, it's an interesting
• 1:02:58
  conversation to have, I think. Yeah, yeah, I I agree.
• 1:03:02
  We should definitely do that the next time.
• 1:03:04
  Listeners, it's an interesting one for sure.
• 1:03:06
  We'll have yeah, we'll be here for a couple hours.
• 1:03:09
  That one, one thing I I want to kind of wrap us up with is just,
• 1:03:14
  I think the most timeless piece of this movie is just how it
• 1:03:20
  feels when you're going through a breakup when you
• 1:03:24
  simultaneously feel like I cannot talk about anything else.
• 1:03:27
  But also I'm self-conscious for talking about it so much.
• 1:03:31
  And like that tension when you know, like your friends are
• 1:03:34
  probably tired of hearing about it, but you just it's all
• 1:03:39
  consuming. And when they tell you like
• 1:03:42
  Trent is telling Mike in the beginning, like you will forget
• 1:03:45
  about her. Like you'll get over this.
• 1:03:48
  And he's like, I cannot fathom that.
• 1:03:51
  And then they come full circle, which actually is interesting
• 1:03:54
  because. When they put a bow on it and he
• 1:03:56
  hangs up on Michelle at the end. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:03:58
  And they do really tight. And that is exactly what happens
• 1:04:02
  in my experience. Yeah, you know, barring a couple
• 1:04:05
  examples, but that's almost exactly what happens is you're
• 1:04:08
  like, oh, that's not the end of it's not the end of the world
• 1:04:11
  sucked. And it's always, it's it's
• 1:04:13
  always going to suck to some level.
• 1:04:14
  Every breakup, always kind of. They're all still in there, some
• 1:04:18
  more than others, of course. But then hopefully everyone
• 1:04:21
  finds this. But I'll speak for myself.
• 1:04:23
  I found happiness and I found this person.
• 1:04:25
  And I can't imagine being with any of the other people that I
• 1:04:29
  thought I was going to end up with, and I'm sure they all feel
• 1:04:32
  the same way. I hope they do.
• 1:04:33
  I hope so too. I hope, yeah, I hope they
• 1:04:35
  didn't. We're like yeah, fuck, Sean's
• 1:04:36
  the worst. I'm.
• 1:04:37
  Glad. I hope there's a little part of
• 1:04:39
  each person that's like, yeah, I could have seen that, but I'm
• 1:04:41
  happy it didn't work out. Yeah, they're like, OK, it was
• 1:04:43
  for the best. But, you know, lots of love to
• 1:04:45
  him. Yeah, totally.
• 1:04:46
  I remember where I was when I first realized, like, I think, I
• 1:04:53
  think I'm going to get past this like in my last breakup.
• 1:04:56
  Like I remember the moment where I was like, wow, maybe, maybe
• 1:05:01
  I'll be OK. Like, and that was months after
• 1:05:06
  it happened. It was like every day.
• 1:05:09
  When they say half the half the time you were together, that's
• 1:05:12
  the the adage, Yeah. So yeah, there was a couple
• 1:05:16
  girl, one girl I was with for quite some time on and off.
• 1:05:19
  And that took, I was there, I was like, there's no, there's no
• 1:05:22
  way. There's no way.
• 1:05:23
  Like I, I couldn't hear the name and I would like trigger me and
• 1:05:28
  set me off. And now, you know, what's funny
• 1:05:30
  is every now and again I'll poke around on like her Myspace or
• 1:05:32
  her Facebook or Instagram just to see what it does.
• 1:05:34
  And it doesn't do anything because now I can see her with
• 1:05:36
  her kids and just be so like, great, great.
• 1:05:41
  That's what's supposed to happen because I couldn't do that for
• 1:05:43
  years, even even in my marriage. It just like you just can't.
• 1:05:48
  It's something in there, you know, like it just still hurts.
• 1:05:51
  Even though I didn't ever want to get back together with it.
• 1:05:53
  Still hurt, of course, and it doesn't hurt anymore.
• 1:05:55
  It's still like, it's still like a wound, like it's healed, but
• 1:05:59
  you know, when you like poke on, it doesn't feel good.
• 1:06:02
  Still a bruise. Yeah, yeah, totally.
• 1:06:05
  Like the I was going to ask you actually that moment when Mike
• 1:06:08
  is going through that box of stuff from his ex Michelle, do
• 1:06:12
  you ever keep stuff like that? I still.
• 1:06:15
  Have a full shoe box full of stuff just because it just so
• 1:06:18
  happens that we never threw it away.
• 1:06:20
  But my high school girlfriend, there's a whole shoe box full of
• 1:06:23
  stuff at the crib at my mom's house.
• 1:06:25
  Letters that we wrote each other.
• 1:06:28
  What shoe late? I'm trying to just stuff from
• 1:06:29
  dates or whatever. But at the time I was keeping
• 1:06:32
  because I, I was like, we're going to get married so I'm
• 1:06:36
  going to want this stuff later. And it just made its way to a
• 1:06:40
  corner of my old room. And now it's way past the point
• 1:06:43
  where I'm like, I definitely don't want to throw it away now
• 1:06:45
  because I could, I could show my wife and she wouldn't care.
• 1:06:47
  This is from 16 year old me. Who gives a shit?
• 1:06:50
  So yeah, there's some of that stuff.
• 1:06:52
  And I think I probably still have a couple things from from
• 1:06:55
  the one that really hurt, maybe some pictures or whatever.
• 1:06:57
  But if you get through it all, then to have those, it's, it's
• 1:07:01
  like a little piece like I would never, if my wife had photos of
• 1:07:05
  her exes or whatever, as long as I knew it was just that, then
• 1:07:09
  I'd be like, sure, it was part of your life.
• 1:07:11
  I'm not going to make you tear them up or throw them away or
• 1:07:14
  whatever. We're not going.
• 1:07:16
  To like he's dead. Yeah, he was.
• 1:07:18
  It was a huge chunk of your life and it made you who you are and
• 1:07:20
  it helped me meet you somehow. Totally not like I would say
• 1:07:23
  this about my little grandiose for my shoe box full of stuff
• 1:07:26
  for my high school girlfriend, but just to the point where like
• 1:07:29
  memories are memories and it's fun to look back.
• 1:07:31
  And yeah, put yourself, not even necessarily thinking about her,
• 1:07:35
  but just put myself in that mindset of what I felt like at
• 1:07:39
  the time. Yeah, you know, just almost to
• 1:07:41
  see like how you've changed so much since then, I imagine.
• 1:07:45
  I don't think I really do. I might have a little bit, but I
• 1:07:48
  just I'm pretty. Pretty much.
• 1:07:50
  I haven't really changed since I started skateboarding.
• 1:07:52
  I've I've I've I'm way less obnoxious.
• 1:07:55
  Sure. I don't.
• 1:07:58
  I used to. I was just a kid.
• 1:07:59
  I'd try to get under people's skin and sure do that.
• 1:08:02
  Annoying early 20s, mid 20s and it just gradually faded away.
• 1:08:08
  Like Trent standing on the table yelling.
• 1:08:10
  They don't even show the servers that stuff face.
• 1:08:13
  And he's just like, they're at that point.
• 1:08:15
  They are harassing that poor woman who has to do this all
• 1:08:18
  night, you know, And they're staying on the table.
• 1:08:20
  They're yelling. So much of that stuff.
• 1:08:22
  So much of. That stuff in bars, stuff at
• 1:08:25
  parties where I'd look back and I'm like, what in the world were
• 1:08:30
  you thinking? And like, it's just stuff it
• 1:08:34
  just, you know, I never had any like ill will in my and never
• 1:08:38
  did anything like that with any intent to.
• 1:08:41
  I just was, I was like me, me. I'm the centre of attention, of
• 1:08:44
  course, which hasn't really changed.
• 1:08:46
  That's why I'm a comedian now. You know, I just, I try to be
• 1:08:51
  cooler about it. That's it.
• 1:08:53
  Try to try to at least make it not look like you're trying to
• 1:08:56
  get all the. Attention, that's just part of
• 1:08:58
  getting older. You just figure out how to
• 1:08:59
  navigate these things and make it look like, like, I'm so
• 1:09:04
  aloof, right? I'm not.
• 1:09:05
  I still want it. I like attention.
• 1:09:07
  Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. We can all pretend like when
• 1:09:09
  we're on a screen or on a microphone that we like or on a
• 1:09:12
  stage that we are like, yeah, whatever.
• 1:09:14
  I don't care if someone sees it or not.
• 1:09:16
  Like, you know, I'm just me. It's like, well then why are we
• 1:09:19
  on a stage or on a microphone or on a screen if we don't want
• 1:09:23
  attention? Then you realize that's the
• 1:09:24
  appeal. As soon as you can make it look
• 1:09:26
  easy and that you don't care about it, then everybody thinks
• 1:09:29
  they're like, Oh my God, look at this guy.
• 1:09:30
  Don't even give a shit. Yeah.
• 1:09:31
  The amount of people that come up after shows and whatever
• 1:09:34
  they're like, you made it look easy and you're like, it's not.
• 1:09:36
  That's 20 years. Yeah, that's a long time of
• 1:09:39
  doing this. Yeah.
• 1:09:41
  But yeah. Anyway, yeah, I forget what we
• 1:09:42
  were talking about. But here's The thing is that
• 1:09:44
  even if we weren't recording this, I still would want to sit
• 1:09:46
  down for an hour and talk about swingers with you.
• 1:09:47
  It's a fun one. So you know what?
• 1:09:49
  I guess maybe I'm proving myself wrong.
• 1:09:51
  But The thing is, I am doing it on a microphone because yeah, I
• 1:09:55
  like attention. I want people to hear about the
• 1:09:57
  things that I like. Even though I thought that cult
• 1:09:59
  classic meant a cult around a movie, not a not culture.
• 1:10:04
  And I've had a movie podcast for five years.
• 1:10:07
  So, you know, what can I say? We're all living and learning.
• 1:10:12
  Sean, is there anything else that we haven't touched on this
• 1:10:14
  movie that you think we should talk about?
• 1:10:16
  No, I think we got it all Cool. Yeah, I think.
• 1:10:20
  I mean, I think it holds up. What?
• 1:10:21
  Do you think? I think that it holds up for the
• 1:10:23
  most part. I would like to see.
• 1:10:26
  It'd be cool if there was like if the role of of Trent was like
• 1:10:33
  a hot lesbian, you know what I mean?
• 1:10:35
  Feel like now they would now that crew wouldn't just be dudes
• 1:10:38
  like they. So I don't know if you ever saw
• 1:10:40
  that awkward moment. No, never saw.
• 1:10:42
  Zac Efron and Michael B Jordan and the girl Mackenzie something
• 1:10:48
  OK, she's great. But their crew, it's kind of
• 1:10:51
  like this. They just go out and try to get
• 1:10:52
  laid every night, but there's a girl in their crew, so they hook
• 1:10:56
  her up with guys, she hooks them up with girls.
• 1:10:58
  Like they wing, they wing person each other and that just
• 1:11:03
  completely the race has any sort of does this hold up because now
• 1:11:07
  it's at least equal totally. So I think now they would have
• 1:11:11
  one or two girls in that crew who were just their buddies.
• 1:11:14
  But then what would happen is one of them would they would
• 1:11:15
  fall in love, inner, inner crew love.
• 1:11:18
  And that would be that's what happens in that awkward moment.
• 1:11:20
  It's like 2 friends fall in love and the other two can't stand
• 1:11:24
  it. Yeah.
• 1:11:24
  So there'd be a version of that. You're right.
• 1:11:26
  Probably, yeah. But I think that on the whole it
• 1:11:30
  holds up because of like those timeless feelings, the fact that
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  this film like even got made and kind of like overcame all odds
• 1:11:41
  to become something that was really high quality.
• 1:11:44
  And that it really, I think when I'm comparing it with some of
• 1:11:50
  those other frat pack movies, a lot of the especially like when
• 1:11:53
  we get into the 2000s and the 20 tens, this sort of like
• 1:11:57
  bromantic, we're trying to help each other get laid type movies.
• 1:12:01
  This swingers is so much more. It has so much more depth to it.
• 1:12:08
  It has some substance. I feel like it's more real and
• 1:12:12
  it's not as hateful to women. So like, I mean, maybe it's
• 1:12:17
  unfair for me to say like, yeah, it holds up because it's not as
• 1:12:19
  bad as the other ones. But did I have a good time
• 1:12:21
  watching this? Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:12:23
  Of course I did. Well, what I always think about,
• 1:12:25
  it's funny what sticks out to me, it's not any of the any of
• 1:12:29
  the meeting women or any of that.
• 1:12:30
  It's just the slang, right? Yeah.
• 1:12:31
  Really. What everyone?
• 1:12:32
  Skanks. How fun.
• 1:12:35
  And this skank who doesn't want anything.
• 1:12:36
  Yeah, yeah, Like it was yeah. Trent saying baby, double down,
• 1:12:40
  you know, all that stuff. That's what that's all I took
• 1:12:42
  away from this. When?
• 1:12:43
  I was Vegas baby and you know what those things still kind of
• 1:12:46
  for better or worse, hold up. People really kind of say that
• 1:12:49
  stuff still when they call you money.
• 1:12:51
  That's, I mean it's. Having a little renaissance.
• 1:12:53
  Yeah, it's been long enough where you get to start saying it
• 1:12:55
  again. Absolutely.
• 1:12:57
  So, Sean, tell me what you've got going on.
• 1:13:00
  What are you working on? What do you want the people to
• 1:13:01
  know? Do you want anyone to find you
• 1:13:03
  on the Internet? Sean Cougar, Melon Jordan on
• 1:13:06
  Instagram, it's all there. Tour dates, podcast, all that
• 1:13:09
  stuff. So that's kind of the one that I
• 1:13:11
  stuck with cuz I'm old, too old for TikTok, Twitter.
• 1:13:14
  I was never good at Instagram. Just kind of the one I'm like,
• 1:13:16
  I'm gonna hang my hat on this. Absolutely.
• 1:13:18
  There you go. Love that.
• 1:13:19
  Do you have any? Like what are you working on?
• 1:13:20
  You got anything coming up? I filmed a Don't Tell set for
• 1:13:23
  Don't Tell comedy maybe 2 weeks ago, so that'll come out in a
• 1:13:26
  few months. That was kind of the goal for
• 1:13:29
  this year, so I don't know. A special down the road, I'm
• 1:13:31
  sure. Very cool.
• 1:13:32
  Yeah, whatever, whatever, whatever ends up happening.
• 1:13:34
  And girl dad. As we and girl dad, as we
• 1:13:36
  alluded to earlier, Yep, that's it's still not really even out
• 1:13:39
  because all the so I did the special, but then like some of
• 1:13:42
  it was on the late Late Show, some of it was on Comedy
• 1:13:44
  Central, some of it's going to be on this don't tell.
• 1:13:46
  So really, I had it on my Patreon for sale and then I put
• 1:13:50
  it on our All Fantasy Everything Patreon and then I'll put it on
• 1:13:54
  YouTube at some point. But it's kind of all pretty much
• 1:13:57
  Ben. It's fun to see that the whole
• 1:13:59
  thing put together and it shot so well, so it's fun to watch.
• 1:14:02
  So I'll put it out at some point, just, you know, pay
• 1:14:04
  attention. Just pay attention.
• 1:14:06
  Well, thank you again so much. This is so much fun.
• 1:14:10
  And you know, next time we're in Denver, we'll talk about the
• 1:14:12
  Entourage movie. Sure will bringing a crew cannot
• 1:14:15
  wait to do that. But yeah, seriously, thanks so
• 1:14:18
  much for taking the time to come and hang out, sit on this
• 1:14:22
  beanbag chair with me. I love it down here, I love
• 1:14:24
  hanging out down here. The studio rules.
• 1:14:25
  Oh my gosh, yeah. Everyone come check out dude.
• 1:14:27
  IDK, it rules and well, I guess that's it.
• 1:14:32
  I'll see you next time. Here we go.
• 1:14:33
  OK, bye everyone.