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Nude Photos, 'Exotic Dancing,' Erectile Dysfunction: Depp v. Heard · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, naked photos, erectile dysfunction. What
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Speaker 1: else could it be beside Johnny Depp versus Amber heard?
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Speaker 1: You thought it was over, didn't you? Well they're back.
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Speaker 1: It never seems to end with these two. Couldn't they
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Speaker 1: just leave after dragging the country through their week's long trial.
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Speaker 1: Apparently not. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation and
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Speaker 1: series X one eleven. It's Johnny Depp versus Amber heard
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Speaker 1: round three, Take a listen to this. Johnny wanted to
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Speaker 1: introduce nude photos of Amber into evidence. The actresses lawyers
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Speaker 1: clapped back and called the move inappropriate irrelevant. They doubled
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Speaker 1: down by saying Amber's nude images, as well as her
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Speaker 1: past as an exotic dancer, happened years before she met
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Speaker 1: the Pirates. Start a March twenty second motion outline herds
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Speaker 1: opposition to Depth's team's attempts to present damaging information about
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Speaker 1: her past to the jury. Hers lawyers argued that Depth
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Speaker 1: was trying to introduce irrelevant personal matters, including Amber's brief
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Speaker 1: stint as an exotic dancer years before she met mister Depp.
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Speaker 1: Nude pictures of her and quote unquote unfounded allegations that
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Speaker 1: she worked as a sex worker. Her attorney said nude
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Speaker 1: pictures of Amber heard or comments about stripping her escort services,
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Speaker 1: would be highly distracting and unfairly prejudicial to the extent
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Speaker 1: they portray Amber heard as a sex symbol instead of
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Speaker 1: a woman's rights activist against domestic abuse. Oh, I bet
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Speaker 1: they did. I bet they screened that from the top
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Speaker 1: of the hills. You were just hearing our friends at
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Speaker 1: Entertainment Tonight and Crime Online dot com. Okay, let me
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Speaker 1: understand this. I've got an incredible panel to make sense
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Speaker 1: of what we know right now. But first I want
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Speaker 1: to go to see your reporter at Fox News Digital
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Speaker 1: ain't author of at any cost, Rebecca Rosenberg, and you
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Speaker 1: can find her at Rebecca Rosenberg dot com. Rebecca Naked
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Speaker 1: Photos a rectile dysfunction. Can we just first start with
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Speaker 1: the naked photos and the exotic dancer claims, what in
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Speaker 1: my world that means stripper? What does that mean to you?
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Speaker 1: Is this true? Yes? So they didn't really provide any
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Speaker 1: details about what these new photos were. They were just
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Speaker 1: they said, new photos. We don't know what was in them,
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Speaker 1: but the judge, okay, Chebecca Rosenberg, Rebecca, Yes, what more
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Speaker 1: do I need to know? New photos? Okay? In case
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Speaker 1: everybody on this panel, especially you, Daryl Cohen, just let
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Speaker 1: me tell you right now, don't let anybody take naked
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Speaker 1: photos off you or semi naked photos of you. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Nothing good is going to come from that, right. Just
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Speaker 1: the other day, the twins were in the backseat of
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Speaker 1: the car and I heard one of them saynody shot.
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Speaker 1: I went, well, I had to pull off the side
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Speaker 1: of the road. Apparently a little girl and this wasn't
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Speaker 1: this year, Jackie, They're fourteen now, this was several years ago,
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Speaker 1: had taken photos for herself and sent them. And of
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Speaker 1: course you know, when this poor girl goes to college,
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Speaker 1: somebody will say, hey, isn't that the little girl that
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Speaker 1: Center found naked? Shot? Said like the sixth grade? There
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Speaker 1: do I bottom line, Rebecca Rosenberg, what more do I
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Speaker 1: need to know? Naked photos? Are they real? They must be.
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Speaker 1: If amb or Herd's team didn't argue that's not true,
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Speaker 1: that doesn't exist, instead argued, we don't want those in
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Speaker 1: because it would wrongly portray her. That tells me they
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Speaker 1: do exist, and they you know in the newly unfiled
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Speaker 1: court papers. They also they were the ones who essentially
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Speaker 1: disclosed and confirmed that she had been in an exotic dancer,
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Speaker 1: which is kind of interesting too. Okay, yeah, my next point,
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Speaker 1: what do you mean by exotic dancer. It's a nice
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Speaker 1: way of the same stripper at it's a stripper, you know, Rebecca,
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Speaker 1: I think you're awesome. You sound a little bit like
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Speaker 1: I did the week before I started trying jury trials,
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Speaker 1: where I had to say the F word, the P word,
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Speaker 1: the C word, this word, that, that word, the everything work.
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Speaker 1: Because the way you kind of like pause before you
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Speaker 1: said stripper, Daryl Cohen, I think you and I not together.
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Speaker 1: I'd like to point out have been in every hell
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Speaker 1: hole of strip joint in the city of Atlanta looking
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Speaker 1: for witnesses, every crack house, every let me just say nicely, brothel,
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Speaker 1: every flop house, strip clubs, you name it, because you know,
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Speaker 1: if you're trying to put let's just say, a drug
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Speaker 1: lord behind bars, you're not going to the monastery. The
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Speaker 1: witnesses are not going to be nuns and priests and virgins.
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Speaker 1: They're gonna be strippers and other dope dealers and other
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Speaker 1: dope addicts, and we prosecutors have to find them. So
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Speaker 1: you know, it took me a couple of days before
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Speaker 1: I got used to the idea that that was my
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Speaker 1: new life when I first started prosecuting. But it didn't
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Speaker 1: take long before those were just tripped off my tongue. Yep,
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Speaker 1: you got it, Nancy. We've been everywhere the country song,
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Speaker 1: We've been everywhere, And I remembered why you and your
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Speaker 1: cohort send the dasam is laughed when you saw me coming.
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Speaker 1: I was green right off the turnip truck. Rebecca Rosenberg, Okay,
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Speaker 1: can we get off Daryl Cohen's interpretation of exotic Dancer.
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Speaker 1: Why did Depth's team want to bring that in to
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Speaker 1: start with? What did that have to do with anything
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Speaker 1: at trial? Well, it wasn't allowed in I think because
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Speaker 1: it didn't have anything to do with the trial. I
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Speaker 1: think that their goal was just to snear her name
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Speaker 1: and the judge it can't come in. It's not relevant
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Speaker 1: at all. It was partially to do with their clim
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Speaker 1: that she would do anything for money, but no, I
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Speaker 1: agree with the judge, totally irrelevant. But before we lay
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Speaker 1: all the blame on Johnny Depp's team, for smearing the
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Speaker 1: other party. Take a listen to this, The dass revealed
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Speaker 1: Amber's team tried suggesting Johnny was taking erectile dysfunction medication,
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Speaker 1: specifically submitting into evidence prescriptions for nexium, sialis and valtres,
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Speaker 1: implying it may be the motivation behind his alleged abuse,
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Speaker 1: but Johnny's lawyers called bs and said it was just
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Speaker 1: a tactic for Amber to embarrass him in court. Amber
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Speaker 1: Heard's legal team wanted to bring up Johnny Depp's alleged
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Speaker 1: erectile dysfunction to add context to the actress's allegation of
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Speaker 1: sexual violence. In these newly unsealed pre trial documents, the
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Speaker 1: thirty six year old actress's lawyers argued in a March
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Speaker 1: filing that fifty nine year old Depp should disclose that
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Speaker 1: he allegedly suffers from erectile dysfunction by submitting a supposed
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Speaker 1: list of medication is evidence. They suggested the medical condition
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Speaker 1: is relevant since it could explain why he would use
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Speaker 1: a bottleles sexually assault herd, which, by the way, he
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Speaker 1: categorically denied ever happening. Okay, I'm just letting all that
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Speaker 1: so ken, Okay, Rebecca Rosenberg back to you. Just while
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Speaker 1: we were pounding on Johnny Depp for trying to bring
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Speaker 1: in Amber Heard's nude photos and her past as an
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Speaker 1: exotic dancer, now we find out she wants to bring
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Speaker 1: in the fact that Johnny the fact that Johnny Depp
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Speaker 1: used what viagra? The Alice? Same thing? Oh sorry, all right?
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Speaker 1: See Alice. Now she's claiming Daryl coh and her team
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Speaker 1: claimed that introducing his erectile dysfunction drugs was relevant. That's
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Speaker 1: totally s They wanted to embarrass him in front of
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Speaker 1: the jury. They're trying. They're trying to embarrass her. They're
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Speaker 1: trying to embarrass him. They embarrass each other, and they
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Speaker 1: are fun to watch as they claw and fight at
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Speaker 1: each other and see what in the world they can do.
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Speaker 1: And you know this, this is so true. Let me
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Speaker 1: go back to Paul Zyke joining US former police commander
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Speaker 1: in Albuquerque and specialist in domestic violence, author of Stop
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Speaker 1: Him From Killing Them on Amazon. Kendall, Paul Zyke, you know,
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Speaker 1: I feel like we've seen it all. But of course,
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Speaker 1: just when I say that, some other crazy thing happens.
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Speaker 1: But these are facts that gerards never see. Thank Heaven.
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Speaker 1: It's really pulling the curtain back from the cesspool that
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Speaker 1: is very often a jury trial, and that is why
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Speaker 1: we have rules of evidence, evidence that protects both sides
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Speaker 1: and more important, protects a true verdict. You don't want
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Speaker 1: a jury making a decision based on irrelevant evidence that
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Speaker 1: is brought in too embarrass or smear the other side.
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Speaker 1: And neither party has clean hands in this. They both
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Speaker 1: are caught red handed trying to make the other look horrible.
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Speaker 1: But that is not uncommon, especially in domestic cases. It
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Speaker 1: seems like the level of hatred is heightened whenever there
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Speaker 1: is a domestic case. Have you noticed that? Absolutely? In
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Speaker 1: my more than decade being focused on domestic violence and
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Speaker 1: domestic cases, even stalking cases, I find that exactly the true.
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Speaker 1: There's something that just clicks in someone's head anytime that
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Speaker 1: you're dealing with a relationship that's gone bad. Everything's more powerful,
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Speaker 1: the crimes that are committed, the allegations that are made.
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Speaker 1: It's one of the meanest, most volatile situations, which makes
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Speaker 1: it one of the more dangerous things that law enforcement
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Speaker 1: responds to her that people can be involved in, and
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Speaker 1: it all focuses in centers on control and that's what
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Speaker 1: you know. Domestic violence is it's all about controlling and
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Speaker 1: putting the other one lower, and they made a great
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Speaker 1: case to put each other lower. Time Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Paul's like everyone joining me for a police commander in
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Speaker 1: Albuquerque and author Paul, you just said it. I've told
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Speaker 1: this story before. But one of my best friend girls
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Speaker 1: is believe it or not, a defense attorney, but she
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Speaker 1: works solely in drugs, and of course I'm not proud
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Speaker 1: of that for her, but she says should rather try
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Speaker 1: a lord then get involved in a divorce or a
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Speaker 1: domestic because her words not mine. And those people will
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Speaker 1: drive by your house and shoot into your living room
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Speaker 1: and kill you, the lawyer, because you somehow are part
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Speaker 1: of the whole thing. The level of hatred and animosity
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Speaker 1: is so heightened when it comes to these matters. And
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, Karen Start and joining me, renowned New York
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Speaker 1: psychologists joining us from Manhattan, and you can find her
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Speaker 1: at Karen Start and dot com. And that's Karen with
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Speaker 1: a Sea. Of course, she has to be different. Karen.
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Speaker 1: You know when we think about Lady Justice, or at
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Speaker 1: least I do I think of her, is pristine, uncompromised,
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Speaker 1: powerful and fair to all. She's wearing a blindfold, so
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Speaker 1: she cannot do differentiate between gender or position in society,
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Speaker 1: or race or background. None of that matters to Lady Justice.
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Speaker 1: In one hand she holds the scales to weigh the issue,
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Speaker 1: and in the other hand she holds a sword to
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Speaker 1: meet out justice. That's all well and good, but the
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Speaker 1: reality out is that jury trials are messy, and you
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Speaker 1: find out a lot about every witness in every party,
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Speaker 1: a lot more than you wanted to find out. Remember
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Speaker 1: all the cases that you and I sat through in
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Speaker 1: those darkened studios at Court TV, and just be Karen
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Speaker 1: and I on the set literally for hours, because remember
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Speaker 1: Karen our shifts, there were like four hours at a time.
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Speaker 1: We would watch the trial and we would hear everything
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Speaker 1: that the jury didn't hear. We would hear all the
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Speaker 1: motions that were held outside the jury's presence, all the
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Speaker 1: things about the parties that were ultimately and very wisely
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Speaker 1: ruled out. It's a cesspool. There's really no other way
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Speaker 1: to put it. I agree with you, Nancy, And sometimes
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Speaker 1: what's interesting to me is how the lawyers are able
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Speaker 1: to fight and make something to be admitted in some
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Speaker 1: things don't. Now. I'm not a lawyer, but in this case,
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Speaker 1: it's confusing to me what they allowed and what they mean.
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Speaker 1: Nude pictures. Why would anybody think that that relates to
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Speaker 1: this case? I I can't see how that fits in. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that or erectile dysfunction mads. I was just going to
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Speaker 1: say a rectile dysfunction, but I see, and they're twisted
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Speaker 1: thinking why that would be relevant in their minds. Thank
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Speaker 1: heaven it did not come into evidence or would have
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Speaker 1: a reversal on those grounds. Everybody on the pal again,
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Speaker 1: let me remind you we're not having tea with a
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Speaker 1: queen at high growth, all right, jump in. This ain't
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Speaker 1: their tea party, people. I could see what they were doing.
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Speaker 1: Jet was arguing the exotic dancer stint and the nude
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Speaker 1: photos should come in to prove that Amber Heard would
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Speaker 1: basically do anything for money. I don't think it does
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Speaker 1: prove that. But that said, I can see Amber Heard
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Speaker 1: claiming that Johnny Depp that the erectile dysfunction medication should
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Speaker 1: come in to show his frustration because I guess his
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Speaker 1: failure to perform the way he wanted me. I don't
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Speaker 1: know a nice way to put that. Also, we don't
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Speaker 1: know if any of these allegations are even true. It's
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Speaker 1: a lot of mud slinging, but thankfully, do you agree
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Speaker 1: or disagree, Daryl Cohen. While would have made great entertainment
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Speaker 1: for people, it would have been a horrible, horrible decision
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Speaker 1: if the judge had allowed it in. We'd be looking
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Speaker 1: at a reversal right now. Oh, Nancy, I think the
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Speaker 1: judge should have allowed it in. That's why you were
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Speaker 1: never in the appellate division, Daryl Cohen. It was just
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Speaker 1: like that. Oh my god, I got to be in
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Speaker 1: the appellate division and sit around that conference table and
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Speaker 1: talk about the law while you were out sweating it
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Speaker 1: out on the streets trying to find witnesses. Then I
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Speaker 1: got thrown in a courtroom and everything changed. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: it look y'all, keep the what said. It ain't over
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Speaker 1: till it's over this. They never gonna be over because
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Speaker 1: they love it. It's helping both of them. They're going
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Speaker 1: to sell tickets at films that they're going to be
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Speaker 1: part of. It is just the most wonderful thing. And
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Speaker 1: nobody's going to prison. You know, you have the Barnum
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Speaker 1: Bailey approach to pr I don't care what you say
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Speaker 1: about me. Just talk about me. Okay, that's not going
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Speaker 1: to jump in here. Ever heard Amber heard has been destroyed.
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Speaker 1: I don't think she's ever going to get a movie
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Speaker 1: role again. Like I don't think it anyway. This publicity
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Speaker 1: has helped her in the slightest, Like her reputation isn't tatters.
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Speaker 1: She is considered totally toxic. Now I think she will.
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Speaker 1: I think she will. And I just want to say
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Speaker 1: these two words, Roman Polanski. Hollywood begs to have him back.
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Speaker 1: He's a child rapist. Hello, Yeah, and he has a
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Speaker 1: huge he has a huge career overseas. I think time
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Speaker 1: will pass and this Thank you, Jackie. She's right, he's
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Speaker 1: a male. He's a male, So that does seem to
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Speaker 1: make a difference. I mean, look at Robert blake Is
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Speaker 1: it not clear to everybody he murdered Bonnie Bakeley except
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Speaker 1: the jury, and you know he's still around. Rebecca, Sorry,
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Speaker 1: I got off on a tangent regarding Roman Polanski. Go ahead,
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Speaker 1: Rebecca Rosenberg, joining US senior reporter Fox News Digital and
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Speaker 1: author of At Any costco ahead, So, yeah, I want
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Speaker 1: to see one thing about the erectile dysfunction issue. I mean,
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Speaker 1: don't get mad at me anyone comment. But the guy
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Speaker 1: is in his fifty and admitted at the time, admitted
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Speaker 1: very heavy drinker and drug user. Wouldn't it be kind
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Speaker 1: of shocking if he weren't taking see alice or on
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Speaker 1: some sort of drug for impudence? Okay, what about it,
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Speaker 1: Darryl Cohen, I would be stunned if he's not doing everything.
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Speaker 1: I just don't think this is hurt Again. I think
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Speaker 1: he's set up such an aura of I'm a bad guy,
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Speaker 1: but I admit I'm a bad guy, so therefore he's
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Speaker 1: a good and people want to see him in the box.
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Speaker 1: And the same with Amber. I don't think she's destroyed
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Speaker 1: at all. I think Amber is going to come home
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Speaker 1: bigger and better. And this is what they're doing to
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Speaker 1: each other, and actually they're doing it for each other.
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Speaker 1: It ate over till it's over, guys, go ahead, jump in. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so just one of the one point. Yeah, you're right
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Speaker 1: about the roles. It's it's all about the money. Johnny's
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Speaker 1: already signed a new deal for his post trial career,
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Speaker 1: and I have no doubt she will as well. You
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Speaker 1: see that in professional sports. I mean, it's about the
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Speaker 1: money and who can you know, who can perform and
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Speaker 1: do what they need to do and who's going to
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Speaker 1: make the money. But on the back to the DV
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Speaker 1: front of this, this whole thing domestic violence. You know,
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Speaker 1: they're looking to put a primary, a predominant aggressor on
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Speaker 1: the other person. All these allegations, all these things that
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Speaker 1: are being said is to really shape the public's view
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Speaker 1: of who is the worst between the two, and the
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Speaker 1: more stuff they throw out, hopefully the other party's thinking, well,
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Speaker 1: they'll look at this other person as the one that's
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Speaker 1: really the problem. But they're you know, they're both a problem,
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Speaker 1: but that other person's more of a problem than me. Well,
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Speaker 1: you know what's interesting, Paul say, is that everybody, and
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Speaker 1: you don't have to burn it out, okay, don't please,
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Speaker 1: especially you Daryl. Think of the worst thing you've ever
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Speaker 1: done and then have that paraded in front of a jury,
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Speaker 1: and then the second worst and the third worst, because
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Speaker 1: that's I think what was happening here. Thankfully the judge
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Speaker 1: ruled a lot of it out. But it's not just
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Speaker 1: about claims of need photos and rectile dysfunction. What about
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Speaker 1: actual facts that matter, take a listen to our friends
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Speaker 1: at crime online dot com. Included in the documents was
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Speaker 1: the deposition with Jennifer Howell. Howell is Amberhard's sister, Whitney
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Speaker 1: Henriquez former friend and boss. The documents say Howell was
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Speaker 1: told by Amberhard's sister that the Aquaman actress did sever
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Speaker 1: Johnny Depp's finger when she hurled a black cabottle at him.
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Speaker 1: Howell recalled when Amber heard sister screamed in the office,
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Speaker 1: she cut off his expletive finger. Speaking with Depth's attorney
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Speaker 1: Camille Vasquez, Howe recounted sitting at her desk when her
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Speaker 1: sister said again, she cut off his fingers, She cut
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Speaker 1: off his finger. I've got to call somebody, and bolted
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Speaker 1: from the room. When pressed on who the she and
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Speaker 1: he were, Howell responded, it was Amber and Johnny out
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Speaker 1: she cut off his effing finger. Okay, straight out to
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Speaker 1: Rebecca Rosenberg, senior reporter Fox News Digital. So now we
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Speaker 1: have Amber heard sister on an earlier occasion stating that
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Speaker 1: Amber heard quote cut off Depth's effing finger. Yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's pretty damny, and that didn't make it into the trial.
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Speaker 1: Heard God on the stand denied that she had any room,
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Speaker 1: and they put on an expert saying it wasn't possible
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Speaker 1: that she could have thrown a back cabottle at him
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Speaker 1: that snapped john its finger and sliced it off. So
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Speaker 1: that was a pretty explosive bit of information that came
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Speaker 1: out in these court papers. As a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: Rebecca Rosenberg, that was a major contingentent trial that she
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Speaker 1: cut off Johnny Depp's finger, and she amber Heard insisted, no,
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Speaker 1: he did that to himself. But now we have her
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Speaker 1: own sister stating that amber Heard cut off Depp's finger.
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Speaker 1: Do I understand that correctly? Yes? Absolutely, So I don't
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Speaker 1: understand why that deposition did not come into evidence. I
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Speaker 1: assume you're gonna tell me it was hearsay. Yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: my understanding that it was here saying that's why the
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Speaker 1: judge didn't allow it in and the sister denied it. Okay,
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Speaker 1: but it's not just proof that amber Heard is actually
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Speaker 1: the one that cut off Johnny Depp's finger. So I
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Speaker 1: guess the jury got it right. There's more so there
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Speaker 1: you see her own sister allegedly unwittingly writing her out.
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Speaker 1: But then Johnny Depp's assistant seemingly does the same thing. Listen.
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Speaker 1: According to text messages in the unsealed documents, Johnny Depp's
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Speaker 1: assistant admitted that the Hollywood star allegedly kicked Amber Heard
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Speaker 1: in the head. Those text messages were excluded from the
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Speaker 1: former couple's defamation trial. Depths then assistant Stephen Dooters detailed
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Speaker 1: what happened on border private jet. Doods texted herd saying,
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Speaker 1: I remember them in full, in full detail, everything that happened.
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Speaker 1: He was appalled when I told him that he kicked you,
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Speaker 1: he cried. According to the unsealed documents, dep texted heard
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Speaker 1: about the incidents, saying quote, he would never do it again,
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Speaker 1: and that his illness crept up and grabbed me. I
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Speaker 1: feel so bad for letting you down unquote. In other
21:48
Speaker 1: messages that Hurd kept depth again apologized, calling himself an
21:53
Speaker 1: effing savage and a lunatic. The text messages related to
21:57
Speaker 1: this incident were presented at the couple's trial in the UK,
22:00
Speaker 1: but were deemed inadmissible by the judge in the Virginia case.
22:04
Speaker 1: Both of these points of evidence were excluded at trial,
22:10
Speaker 1: and both of them are really damning. The fact that
22:14
Speaker 1: a am or her sister said she cut off Depp's finger,
22:19
Speaker 1: the fact that Depp's assistant described an incident where Depp
22:24
Speaker 1: had kicked her in the head. It only makes me
22:28
Speaker 1: wonder what else was left out of evidence before the jury.
22:33
Speaker 1: Rebecca Rosenberg, what do we know? Yeah, I'm really confused
22:36
Speaker 1: by the assistance text corroborating Amberhard's claim that she was
22:41
Speaker 1: abused on this plane. I don't really understand illegally how
22:45
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be allowed in Amber heard testified about the incident.
22:49
Speaker 1: These text messages corroborated her testimony, and Johnny Depp got
22:53
Speaker 1: on the stand and denied he ever touched her, including
22:57
Speaker 1: on this plane. So to me, I wonder if that
23:00
Speaker 1: could be part of the grounds for appeal because it's
23:03
Speaker 1: such a significant piece of that day. What about the assistant.
23:08
Speaker 1: Did the assistant testify, Rebecca? You know what, I his
23:11
Speaker 1: wife testified. I don't think he did. I don't think
23:14
Speaker 1: the assistant did either, Rebecca, And that would be the reason,
23:18
Speaker 1: if that's true, that would be the reason the texts
23:20
Speaker 1: were not allowed in because it's hearsay. You'd have to
23:23
Speaker 1: bring him on to ask him about the text. Now,
23:27
Speaker 1: I guarantee you. There's a reason they did not bring
23:30
Speaker 1: him on. Neither side thought it was worth what would
23:35
Speaker 1: happen on cross exam because a lot of times you
23:39
Speaker 1: have a witness that could help your case, but the
23:42
Speaker 1: damage would be far too extensive to bring that witness on. Okay,
23:48
Speaker 1: that's not all. In recent developments in Johnny Debt versus
23:51
Speaker 1: Amber Heard, we understand while there was a flicker of
23:55
Speaker 1: a moment that many illegal legals thought Debt would forget,
24:00
Speaker 1: the debt this jury imposed on Amber Heard seemingly not so.
24:05
Speaker 1: Amber Heard has had to sell her home. Listen, Amber
24:09
Speaker 1: just made a sweet profit a sale of her secluded
24:11
Speaker 1: home I live in Yucca Valley, California. Amber brought this
24:15
Speaker 1: home near Joshua Tree for five hundred and seventy thousand
24:17
Speaker 1: and recently sold it for over a million, earning her
24:20
Speaker 1: almost a half million dollars. The Yucca Valley home that
24:23
Speaker 1: was long rumored to belong to Amber Heard and now confirmed,
24:27
Speaker 1: was recently sold for one million, fifty thousand dollars, according
24:30
Speaker 1: to Zilo property records. The house was purchased in twenty
24:33
Speaker 1: nineteen through an anonymous trust that reportedly has ties to
24:36
Speaker 1: Amber Heard. For just over five hundred and seventy thousand dollars.
24:39
Speaker 1: With the parcel having changed hands, Amber walks away with
24:43
Speaker 1: almost double what she paid for it just three years ago,
24:46
Speaker 1: a profit of about four hundred and eighty thousand dollars.
24:48
Speaker 1: She bought it pre pandemic and since then property values
24:51
Speaker 1: have mostly gone up. You were just hearing our friends
24:53
Speaker 1: at Entertainment Tonight and Crime online dot Com Rebecca Rosenberg
24:59
Speaker 1: from five. It's a digital so she has had to
25:02
Speaker 1: sell her home near Joshua Tree. She made about a
25:06
Speaker 1: half a million dollars profit. But two questions, One how
25:11
Speaker 1: much is they order against her? This is like a
25:15
Speaker 1: drop in the bucket? And number two is this her
25:18
Speaker 1: only home? Doesn't she have a place in la as well?
25:20
Speaker 1: I think that is actually her only home. I don't
25:22
Speaker 1: think she has any other property. And I think part
25:26
Speaker 1: of the reason she sold it was because it was
25:29
Speaker 1: no longer private. During the trial, the address became public
25:33
Speaker 1: and she couldn't deal with all these people showing up
25:36
Speaker 1: at her door. But the judgment against her is eight
25:40
Speaker 1: They met judgments eight point three five million, right, so
25:43
Speaker 1: the jury gave depth ten point three five, But they
25:47
Speaker 1: also gave her two million an account suit. So yeah,
25:50
Speaker 1: she owes him a huge chunk of the torna change.
25:52
Speaker 1: But she's gonna fight that for as long as she can.
25:55
Speaker 1: That's right. I mean a loser at trial or a
25:59
Speaker 1: defend at trial in criminal case. Their biggest friend, Daryl
26:04
Speaker 1: Cohen is delay, delay, delay. The longer you can appeal it,
26:08
Speaker 1: the longer you can put off that trial, the better
26:11
Speaker 1: off you are. That's the general wisdom. Would you agree?
26:14
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. The longer she puts it off, the
26:17
Speaker 1: more likely there is that the public is going to
26:20
Speaker 1: move on. The more likely that possibility of settling it,
26:24
Speaker 1: The more likely she will get a great role or
26:27
Speaker 1: ten or twenty and it won't be sentiment, and she'll
26:29
Speaker 1: make a ton of money where she can ultimately pay
26:32
Speaker 1: them if the appeals don't pad out her way. And
26:36
Speaker 1: speaking of appeals, there was, as I said, a flickering
26:40
Speaker 1: of a moment where it was discussed, kicked around, pitched
26:45
Speaker 1: that debt would forgive her of the debt she now
26:49
Speaker 1: owes him about eight million dollars. Well that one, straight
26:53
Speaker 1: up and smoke after this, take a listen to our
26:56
Speaker 1: friends at newsy Amber. HER's lawyers have now asked a
26:59
Speaker 1: judge to throw out the ten million dollar verdict against
27:03
Speaker 1: her in that now infamous defamation case against her ex husband,
27:07
Speaker 1: Johnny Depp. Her lawyers argue the verdict was not supported
27:10
Speaker 1: by evidence and that one of the jurors may not
27:12
Speaker 1: have been properly vetted. In filing. Her lawyers asked for
27:15
Speaker 1: the verdict to be dismissed or a new trial be ordered.
27:18
Speaker 1: The judge had reduced the compensatory damages to three hundred
27:21
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars under a state cap, so amber
27:24
Speaker 1: Heard's notice of appeal put the kai bosh on any
27:29
Speaker 1: consideration for giving her debt letting her out of that
27:35
Speaker 1: eight million dollar prize tag the jury handed down, and
27:38
Speaker 1: then it was just a matter of time. Take a
27:41
Speaker 1: listen to our friend Gail King at CBS. Yeah, we've
27:44
Speaker 1: heard that. It was it's not about the money. It's
27:46
Speaker 1: time for healing and time to move on, which was
27:48
Speaker 1: the message that he sent. But how do you heal
27:50
Speaker 1: and move on when both sides are still in court arguing?
27:53
Speaker 1: It's pretty standard legal procedure. We just are hopeful that
27:57
Speaker 1: the court will uphold the verdict, which we think was
28:00
Speaker 1: the right verdict and allowed both parties to move on.
28:04
Speaker 1: So is it safe to say that if she hadn't appealed,
28:07
Speaker 1: you all would not have appealed either, you would have
28:08
Speaker 1: moved on. Yes, is that a fair statement. That's a
28:11
Speaker 1: very fair statement. You're hearing Gil King speaking with Debt's
28:14
Speaker 1: lawyer Camille Besquez. You know, Karen Start, it seems like
28:18
Speaker 1: a scorched earth policy, Karen Start and York psychologists joining
28:21
Speaker 1: us out of Manhattan. It seems as if after the trial,
28:25
Speaker 1: Debt was this close to forgiving her of the debt.
28:30
Speaker 1: And when I say forgive, that's a technical legal term.
28:33
Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, I forgive you for what you
28:36
Speaker 1: said or what you did. To forgive a debt means
28:39
Speaker 1: you nullify it. I think he was close to doing that,
28:42
Speaker 1: if nothing but for pr purposes. But then as soon
28:45
Speaker 1: as she filed this appeal, that was out the window.
28:48
Speaker 1: Karen Start, Yeah, I don't see her letting go. The
28:51
Speaker 1: two of them just in their own work, keep it going.
28:56
Speaker 1: They're both very engaged in this. Nancy, I think he was.
29:00
Speaker 1: But this reminds me of the fact that she could
29:02
Speaker 1: have gotten lots and millions of dollars from him. They
29:06
Speaker 1: were getting divorced, and she un principle said that she
29:10
Speaker 1: wasn't doing this for the money and didn't accept it
29:14
Speaker 1: even though her lawyers kept pushing her. So it's just
29:18
Speaker 1: revengeent anger, revengeon anger that's going back and forth between
29:22
Speaker 1: the two of them, and I don't see it ended
29:25
Speaker 1: in defining soon. You know what a shrink told our
29:28
Speaker 1: panel the other day, Karen start that when two people,
29:32
Speaker 1: especially in domestic argument, are engaged in an argument, the
29:37
Speaker 1: last thing they want is for the other one to leave.
29:42
Speaker 1: They don't want it to be over. They're kind of wait,
29:45
Speaker 1: it's this. Paul's like jumping in. Yeah, Karen, you go first,
29:49
Speaker 1: and then we'll circle back to Paul. Go ahead, Karen.
29:50
Speaker 1: It's like they it's like a fire was no oxygen.
29:55
Speaker 1: You just have to keep feeding on it. You see
29:57
Speaker 1: that that's the exacting that's happening here in that they
30:01
Speaker 1: they are really so engaged with each other. Yeah, it's
30:07
Speaker 1: a different kind I hate to say this, but it
30:09
Speaker 1: is true, a different kind of love. This is a
30:12
Speaker 1: love that's an angry, vicious love that they can't quarts
30:16
Speaker 1: from each other. They have to be in touch, they
30:19
Speaker 1: have to have a way of getting to each other,
30:22
Speaker 1: even if it's this cruel and angry. Okay, but it's
30:26
Speaker 1: not just that I want you to follow I want
30:30
Speaker 1: to follow up on something I think. Well, oh wait, Paul,
30:33
Speaker 1: I was going to go to you, go ahead, I answered.
30:35
Speaker 1: The thing about this is this, this folves into a
30:37
Speaker 1: category that is very very special and unique, and that's
30:41
Speaker 1: mutual combatants. Neither one of these individuals are afraid of
30:45
Speaker 1: each other, and it's very clear that they're not. And
30:48
Speaker 1: that's a rare instance in domestic violence cases. But in
30:52
Speaker 1: this case, neither one is backing down or wants to
30:57
Speaker 1: be removed, or is seeking to go into the shell there, Paul,
31:01
Speaker 1: will you finish your sentence? What they're both committing aggravated
31:04
Speaker 1: assaults with each other. Things that are, you know, felony crimes,
31:08
Speaker 1: cutting each other's finger, you know, grabbing each other, throwing
31:11
Speaker 1: each other around, it's it's it's it's high in lethality.
31:14
Speaker 1: Yet they neither seemed to be the aggressor and neither
31:19
Speaker 1: seems to be just the victim. They're both equally in
31:23
Speaker 1: this together. What were you saying to you, sort I
31:25
Speaker 1: was saying that it's not rare, that that's just what
31:29
Speaker 1: were you talking about before, Nancy. Ye, this is what happens.
31:32
Speaker 1: They keep going at it. They can't be without each
31:35
Speaker 1: other exactly. Need to just keep introducing new stuff. And
31:40
Speaker 1: you did this, and you did that, they're still fighting.
31:43
Speaker 1: It's something that you should have people pay admission to.
31:58
Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace, Rebecca Roosberg from Fox News
32:05
Speaker 1: Digital brought up I think a very interesting point about
32:13
Speaker 1: am or heard. Take a listen now to our cut
32:15
Speaker 1: ninety five our friends at crime online dot Com. The
32:19
Speaker 1: newly unsealed documents showed that when Hurd and Depth were
32:22
Speaker 1: going through their divorce proceedings in twenty sixteen, Hurd could
32:25
Speaker 1: have claimed half of Depth's income from his Pirates of
32:29
Speaker 1: the Caribbean Dead Mentel No Tail's movie. The movie was
32:32
Speaker 1: filmed while Hurd in Depth were still married, making his
32:35
Speaker 1: thirty three million dollar paycheck a community property I set.
32:39
Speaker 1: Hurt could have asked for half that. The court documents
32:42
Speaker 1: showed that Hurt's lawyer begged the actress to reconsider her
32:45
Speaker 1: decision to walk away, and reportedly told her via email
32:49
Speaker 1: that she was being amazingly true to your word that
32:52
Speaker 1: this is not about money. The judge and the defamation
32:55
Speaker 1: trial rejected the inclusion of this information and all evidence
32:59
Speaker 1: related to their proceedings. Her it's team claimed in pre
33:02
Speaker 1: trial documents that the actress suffered financial losses in the
33:06
Speaker 1: forty seven to fifty million dollar range over a three
33:09
Speaker 1: to five year period because of Depth's defamatory statements against
33:13
Speaker 1: her to Rebecca Rosenberg joining us from Flax's digital Okay,
33:18
Speaker 1: there was a lot of legal mumbo jumbo thrown into that.
33:21
Speaker 1: But my takeaway is am Or heard during the divorce
33:27
Speaker 1: turned down millions of dollars which under the OAR could
33:31
Speaker 1: have been hers because pirates of the Caribbean, right, I mean,
33:35
Speaker 1: that's when her leaders say. But at the end of
33:38
Speaker 1: the day, I think that argument is very much weakened
33:41
Speaker 1: by the fact she took seven millions. She still took
33:44
Speaker 1: seven million, which is a huge sum of money, and
33:47
Speaker 1: that would be a huge sum of money for her,
33:49
Speaker 1: and they were only together for about a year. I
33:52
Speaker 1: mean they split up after a year and the divorce
33:55
Speaker 1: was final. Life a little bit later. Well, somebody kicked
33:57
Speaker 1: me in the head, I'd want seven million dollars too,
33:59
Speaker 1: But that's just me. Of course. I don't think I
34:01
Speaker 1: would cut off anybody's finger, but I don't know so.
34:05
Speaker 1: But did she turn down the money that may have
34:09
Speaker 1: been due her because they were together while he did
34:13
Speaker 1: the last part of the Caribbean and in California that
34:16
Speaker 1: would go into the community property pot according to her lawyers. Yes,
34:20
Speaker 1: I am not an expert on this topic, so I
34:24
Speaker 1: can't say if that's an accurate representation. Okay, Daryl Cohen,
34:28
Speaker 1: we don't know Rebecca's correct. We don't know everything surrounding this,
34:32
Speaker 1: but we know that is her lawyer's claim. It qu'd
34:35
Speaker 1: you explain in a nutshell what that means by community property?
34:40
Speaker 1: It means whoever bought it, It doesn't matter. We're married,
34:44
Speaker 1: and as a result of that, both of us owned
34:47
Speaker 1: an equal share meeting. Each of us owns half of it,
34:51
Speaker 1: but there's no way to tell which half I owned
34:54
Speaker 1: or which half you owned. It's hours and hours together.
34:57
Speaker 1: That's the way it works. Do you know what this
34:59
Speaker 1: makes me think? Of Paul's liking? Karen start, everybody jump in.
35:02
Speaker 1: I've seen it on so many levels when I have
35:05
Speaker 1: prosecuted domestic assault, domestic aggravated assault, domestic homicide. When you're
35:11
Speaker 1: in a heated battle regarding divorce, people would get down
35:15
Speaker 1: to arguing about pots and pans and plants and furniture.
35:20
Speaker 1: And I mean ratty furniture. I don't mean some twenty
35:24
Speaker 1: thousand dollars sofa. I mean ratty furniture, a potted plant,
35:30
Speaker 1: pots and pans. They nearly come to blows. Go ahead, Paul.
35:33
Speaker 1: It's because they want to destroy the other person. And
35:36
Speaker 1: it's not about resolution. It's about revenge. And if you're
35:39
Speaker 1: negotiating from that angle, you're willing to do anything. And
35:43
Speaker 1: that's why so many of these situations turned to homicide
35:47
Speaker 1: and andy have devastating effects for years to come. And
35:51
Speaker 1: you know, it's even a bigger tragedy when you when
35:54
Speaker 1: you look at this playing out on a national stage
35:58
Speaker 1: or even global stage. You know, people start to look
36:01
Speaker 1: at this as somewhat normal, and it isn't and it
36:04
Speaker 1: never should be. Speaking of their potential futures on the
36:09
Speaker 1: big screen, take a listen to our friends at crime Online,
36:12
Speaker 1: Johnny Depp spotted traveling to France for his next big movie.
36:16
Speaker 1: Even though Depp was fired from the Fantastic Beast franchise
36:19
Speaker 1: and his last film work was in a movie called
36:22
Speaker 1: Mini Mada. The debut on Hulu last month. Depp is
36:25
Speaker 1: going to play Louis the Fifteenth in a movie called
36:28
Speaker 1: Jean Duberi. Early rumors that Netflix was financing the movie
36:32
Speaker 1: turned out to only be partly true. Netflix France has
36:34
Speaker 1: agreed to stream the movie once it's done. The film
36:37
Speaker 1: is slated to debut sometime in late twenty twenty three. Okay,
36:41
Speaker 1: so we know he Depp has hit over the big screen.
36:43
Speaker 1: But is it true? Rebecca Rosenberg that Amber heard already
36:47
Speaker 1: has two movies lined up in the pipeline following the
36:51
Speaker 1: jury verdict. Now, I think one of them regards. It's
36:56
Speaker 1: something called In the Fire. It's an upcoming movie set
37:00
Speaker 1: in the eighteen hundreds where she travels to a remote
37:03
Speaker 1: plantation to deal with a little boy with quote special abilities.
37:08
Speaker 1: That's number one. And there's another one, oh Runaway with Me. Now,
37:15
Speaker 1: I'm not sure those were filmed before the trial if
37:18
Speaker 1: they're wrapping up now, but those are two movies in
37:21
Speaker 1: which she is starring. Yeah, I believe so. I don't
37:24
Speaker 1: remember the exact details, but it did come up a
37:26
Speaker 1: little bit at trial, and these were movies, but she's
37:28
Speaker 1: like making nothing for on one of them. I think
37:30
Speaker 1: she was getting like ninety grand four. Oh whoa, whoa
37:33
Speaker 1: hold on a little girl. Ninety grand is a lot
37:36
Speaker 1: of money tess regular people, but okay, go ahead, ninety grand.
37:42
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have thrown out that number because I don't
37:44
Speaker 1: actually remember, but it was for an actress. Who I
37:47
Speaker 1: mean she got two million for Aquaman? You know. I
37:52
Speaker 1: think one was like an independent film. So she's not
37:55
Speaker 1: getting signed up by any big movie studio at this point.
37:58
Speaker 1: It hasn't been for couple of years. And that was
38:00
Speaker 1: one of her claims during the trial, and one of
38:04
Speaker 1: the allegations in her countersuit was that everything that Depth
38:08
Speaker 1: did and the way he sneered her reputation through his
38:11
Speaker 1: attorney at Waldman, has resulted her moving out on major
38:16
Speaker 1: movie deals. We also know that Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom,
38:20
Speaker 1: in which she is starring, is set for release in
38:24
Speaker 1: March March of twenty twenty three, So that's something I'm
38:29
Speaker 1: sure her starring in it. Is she in it at all?
38:32
Speaker 1: She's in it, but at least she claimed her role
38:35
Speaker 1: was reduced the studios that it wasn't. But whatever role
38:39
Speaker 1: she has is a fairy fairy minor. I think I
38:42
Speaker 1: read in one report it was ten minutes of screen time.
38:46
Speaker 1: See to me, that means you're starring. Because if you're
38:48
Speaker 1: in a major motion picture and your face is up there, okay,
38:50
Speaker 1: you're a star. But see, I'm just a trial lawyer.
38:54
Speaker 1: So whenever I see anybody in a in a movie,
38:57
Speaker 1: I think they're a star. You know what, Roll Cohen
39:00
Speaker 1: joining me, former prosecutor but also active representing various people
39:08
Speaker 1: in the movie and entertainment business. Daryl, what about it?
39:13
Speaker 1: Because see, I believe that after a period I mean, look,
39:16
Speaker 1: even Woody Allen, for Pete Satan made another movie and
39:19
Speaker 1: he married his stepdaughter. So long story short, do you
39:26
Speaker 1: think after a period of time, Amber Heard will make
39:30
Speaker 1: it big again? Without any doubt? I think she will
39:33
Speaker 1: make it big. Whether it's big again, there's an argument
39:36
Speaker 1: either way. But I think she will get role after
39:39
Speaker 1: role because all Hollywood cares about and all the American
39:43
Speaker 1: public cares about. I want to see what's going on.
39:46
Speaker 1: They may say soap operas are done, they're not. This
39:50
Speaker 1: is a continuing saga of the soap, and it's not
39:53
Speaker 1: clean soap between Amberg. Well, I gotta tell you this.
39:57
Speaker 1: After the incident with Woody Allen, I never watched another
40:02
Speaker 1: Woody Allen movie, and I loved his work in Oh
40:07
Speaker 1: I got to know one of his children. No, I
40:11
Speaker 1: believe the claims against him. Oh but hey, you heard
40:14
Speaker 1: it here. It looks like Johnny Depp is going to
40:18
Speaker 1: start in the Beetle Juice sequel. That's going to be big.
40:22
Speaker 1: I predict that Amber Heard will make it back onto
40:26
Speaker 1: the big screen. But all that aside. What we're searching
40:31
Speaker 1: for is the truth. And sadly, today we got more
40:34
Speaker 1: of the truth than we bargained for. Johnny Depp v
40:37
Speaker 1: Amber Heard, Round three. Goodbye friend,