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Episode 70: Andor is Here! Our Thoughts on the First Three Episodes (SPOILERS!) · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello there, it's time for most things Kenobi.
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  I prefer all things Kenobi, but I suppose that's not the Jedi,
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  way long as it's not all things Anakin.
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  Hi everyone, welcome to another episode of most things Kenobi.
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  A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi in all things Star Wars.
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  I'm your host Leanne and I'm your host Lauren.
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  It's been a while. Yeah.
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  Whole week. Hello.
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  How are you? It's nice to see you.
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  It's nice to see you. Yes, we do.
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  Look at each other when we record makes it real, even
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  though we're not in the same room mostly you.
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  You were traveling now I'm traveling.
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  Yeah we're the traveling space twins.
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  It's it's been a week. A lot went on this week.
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  Yeah, it's Saturday, got it and even know it's been a very, very
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  busy, couple of weeks. Honestly, the build-up to my
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  trip, I was losing my mind and that was while you were gone.
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  Yeah. And then I got back from mine
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  and, and or happened, which that's what this week's episode
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  is about. We're going to give you our full
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  rundown opinion, thoughts, whatever, on the first three
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  episodes of and or but before that, you mentioned today's
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  Saturday. And I just want to say in Star
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  Wars news it was announced today.
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  That James Earl Jones has retired from the voice of Darth
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  Vader. Yeah.
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  That is just, it's an end of an era.
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  I'm so sad. He is he no one else could do
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  it. Like there was someone else who
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  did it on the radio dramas and it just was not the same.
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  The actor is very good and it was actually he's a very
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  prestigious actor who did it, but Just not the same.
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  He is the voice. And so just hats off all the
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  respect in the fucking world to James, Earl Jones.
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  You are the voice of my favorite character.
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  So well, one half of my favorite character generations of people
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  know him. Yeah, I know, you cannot know
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  anything else about Star Wars but you know, the voice of Darth
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  Vader and you know, James, Earl Jones.
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  So anyway, before we get into and or I thought I'd tip my hat
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  to the Irreplaceable and wonderful.
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  James, Earl Jones. Enjoy your retirement.
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  Yeah, and it has earned its oh my gosh, you've been forced
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  crushing people for decades a rest.
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  Oh, is it though? Sorry.
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  Weird already. Okay well also I'm in a hotel
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  room so there is a lot of noise in here.
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  I apologize for any bad audio on this week's episode, but it
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  cannot be helped. I've done what I can.
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  Oh, yes, I hate. I've come from a hotel.
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  You've come from hotels. We're good.
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  We got this. Yeah.
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  So, and or Yes. Overall it was good.
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  I really liked episode 3. Yeah, I know I know we have
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  opposite opinions or like if we had opposite experiences.
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  So this will be an interesting episode.
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  I mean, I think so I brought notes because I will preface
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  this by saying, I watched the first two episodes twice.
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  Once the original time I watched all three episodes on my couch
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  with my television which I have a sound bar and a subwoofer And
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  I, my biggest problem, like, I mentioned to you was I couldn't
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  understand any of the characters.
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  I had no idea what was going on in the first two episodes.
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  Not, and then, like something magically changed in the
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  episodes in the third episode. But then, when I re-watch them,
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  I watched them with the earbuds on with noise, canceling effects
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  on it. And I still thought everyone's
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  voice was muffled, so it kind of ruined the first two episodes.
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  I did not like them. Yeah, that's that, they'll say
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  that people will tolerate A crabby video for a while, but
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  crappy audio, they will not. So if you can't hear what's
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  going on, you'll be very frustrated.
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  You did mention a good point though that they have very
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  strong accents. And perhaps, I was struggling
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  with the accents, which I'll cop to.
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  I don't know if they had very thick accents, a lot of the the
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  stairs. There's a lot of like heavy
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  Scottish and like Northern English accents and those are
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  hard to understand on a good day sometimes.
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  So, especially if you're not used to listening to it all the
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  time, I'm sure if you were like in Scotland, your ear would grow
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  used to it, you know. But it's what do you think?
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  Overall, I didn't have that problem.
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  I understood everything that everyone was saying and I lucky,
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  I'm sorry, it's okay. It blew me away.
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  I don't know them. I am floored it.
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  I honestly think this is Dare, I say this that are Star Wars
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  podcast like too good for Star Wars.
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  Like it's a whole different. Like Everything about it is
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  different. It is kind of script is
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  different. The cinematography is different,
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  it's beautiful. It is, first of all, it shows on
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  location filming looks so much better.
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  Yeah, the volume as cool as the volume is it just can't
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  replicate real life and it shows like in the dynamic editing and
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  the camera movement, they are completely strapped.
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  By using the Valerie volume. It makes it harder for them to
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  do cinematography. Hmm.
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  So, I was like eating that shit up.
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  It was so good. Yeah, I figured you'd have a
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  more technical opinion. I thought episode 3 was just
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  downright, beautiful. So the symbolism I have it
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  written down here. The symbolism and episode 3,
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  with the lighting, and the focus on the characters.
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  And just, you know, the overall feel especially at the end, the
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  story they were telling was Hmm, gorgeous.
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  It was it was top-notch and it sets the stage for everything
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  that's going to follow, which I'm excited to see.
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  I hope I can understand at least 35% of the next episode.
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  It really ruined it for me because when you can't hear I
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  tuned out completely. I was playing on my phone.
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  I was like what the fuck's going on like why do I care like it?
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  That's the attitude I had in the first episode I was like this is
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  not a good sign, this is not a good sign but there were many
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  good signs. I'm not going to shit on it just
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  because I something's wrong with my fucking ears, but if it's a
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  problem that continues, It's going to ruin it for me.
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  Yeah, for sure understandably. So if I have to watch it with
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  subtitles and who wants to do that?
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  Not me. But I will Sacrifice watching it
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  on my giant TV. To put ear buds in if it helps.
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  So maybe I'll watch it first with noise.
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  Cancellation earbuds. And then tell them, I don't
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  know. I don't know.
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  We'll see. And I just watched it on my tiny
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  little laptop so I didn't have headphones and I was going to
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  put it on, but I didn't so yeah, I don't know.
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  I don't know if it's like it was going to say, maybe it's the
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  sound mix but it's not. If it was the same experience on
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  your earbuds as it was on your Soundbar.
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  Yeah, because I felt like a A lot of the felt like a lot of
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  the music in the background and like the humming and thus, like
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  the background noise was too loud or so, I don't know.
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  I'm not going to harp on this list.
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  It's just that was my experience and the first two I texted you,
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  I was like I don't know where this is going and then like
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  third episode was exactly what I had expected from the show.
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  Yeah, so maybe it just was slow. To me, but we said going into
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  this, they have a lot of room story building, they have a lot
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  of free reign on how they handle these characters.
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  They're all new for the most part.
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  Yeah, there's there's a lot of good.
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  What were some of your favorite moments?
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  If you cut my God, honestly, just right from the beginning.
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  What let's talk about the fucking logo.
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  I was blown away by when they leave the old, the horned Moon
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  slowly starts to appear, like the symbol and the colors and
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  the name and the music. I thought that was brilliant.
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  I thought that was goes like, okay, alright right out of the
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  gate and then I couldn't hear anything.
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  So I really loved it. I loved that.
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  I think. I've heard a few people say they
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  thought, the first two episodes were slow and I get it but also
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  I think it's funny that people think this is slow and not the
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  Mandalorian. Oh no, the Mandalorian is slow,
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  it's so slow and those are you know, creators that I love and
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  they're brilliant and I know their buildings is something.
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  But the thing that I was When I first watched the very opening
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  scene, right of and or I was like, okay, I get it
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  immediately. I was like Blade Runner, mmm,
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  everything is an homage to Blade Runner.
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  Even the woman who comes out and speaks.
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  Yeah, Cassie and like the music, the lighting, everything and I
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  love it. It's implying that dystopia,
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  right? And but then I was like, okay,
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  so that's a really cool introduction after I finished
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  it. Like the next day I was thinking
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  about it. I was like That you'll hit the
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  ground running like no other show in Star Wars has because
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  that scene. That scene is tying to his past
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  and it's a fulcrum point, the changes his future.
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  How interesting you say fulcrum? Well that was a very that will
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  come into play at some point. I'm sure.
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  Yeah. So he he's there looking for his
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  sister Which is tied to all the flashbacks that we see.
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  Hmm. So they're using this point to
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  go back to that and move forward.
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  But in that moment, he makes a terrible mistake and kills two
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  people. He doesn't really mean to kill
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  we as then I love that. Killing seen the fight, how they
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  found my gosh on his face and they came up from behind and
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  then there was a struggle, there was no music.
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  Yeah. And there was a struggle.
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  First of all, how I'm so I constantly want to figure out
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  how they make laser shots, look so damn real.
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  When they don't exist. Like they were bouncing off the
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  walls, you know, because he was redirecting the arm and all this
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  stuff and I was like, damn, that looks really good.
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  If the lighting was amazing and you could see the pain on Cassie
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  and space like he didn't want to do this.
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  Like, don't come any closer. Yeah.
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  You know, and then yeah, it happened.
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  But I really I really liked that scene.
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  I did too and I loved how when he Why's he accidentally killed
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  that guy. The look on his face was just
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  like, oh, what have I done? But now he's in it and he can't
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  turn back and he does what he has to do.
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  But if it's like a point of no return, right?
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  For the character one mistake, you can never change your life
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  again back to like what it was very much like what happened
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  with Ahsoka, which room Jedi, Who Knew Too Much.
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  Once we get to that point, there's no going back to what
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  had been previous. And so like Like that's the
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  moment that forces him to reach out to luthan.
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  Is that his name? I think Lutheran rail something
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  like that, with the buyer. Yeah.
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  And yeah. Which puts him on a completely
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  new trajectory. So I was just like, That scene
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  creates a through-line thread from his childhood all the way
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  to the end of Rogue one. In one scene, and I was like,
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  fucking brilliant. We have these writers been all
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  my life. No II.
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  Totally agree. It's the story and the
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  characters that we were promised and was delivered.
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  Right off the bat. Yeah, the blue suits the bad
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  guys. Yeah, I fucking hate them.
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  I hate them already, which is a testament to their character
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  acting and the build-up of who they're supposed to be.
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  And I hate Cyril, is his name, the main?
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  Like the try too hard? Everybody is describing him as
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  the manager that everybody hates.
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  Yes. He's the guy who wants to rise
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  and is a fucking flop. And tries too hard.
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  I hate him but don't hate the actor.
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  Hate the character right. Right, right.
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  Anyone who knows like Cersei or Joffrey from Game of Thrones,
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  never hate the actor and actress hate the character, but they're
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  acting is perfection because they make you hate the character
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  because doing it so. Well, the amount of face acting
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  that's going on is tremendous. I love it.
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  I just really hate them, I hate them already, and I didn't think
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  I would hate anyone more than the Empire, but I might hate
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  them just as much because like the Empire is giving them the
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  room to kind of like do their dirty work for them.
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  Yeah, and I think it's interesting because there was
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  that scene where cereal goes in and talks to his chief or
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  whatever. Yeah.
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  The older guy who tells them like, don't make a big deal out
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  of this but just going but under the wrecked And he says it's
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  going to reflect badly on our employers.
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  And so I have this idea that he's gonna ignore his boss and
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  do all this crazy shit. And at the end, his boss is
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  going to still be right. And he liked everything.
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  He'll have done and sacrificed and struggled so hard for like
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  his employers will be like why did you humiliate us?
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  Yeah, you know look at all the people that were killed.
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  Yeah, all the negative attention you have brought to this
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  situation that should have been kept quiet because everything
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  that guy was saying about how we had a brothel.
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  We're not supposed to have officers there who shouldn't
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  have been able to afford it. But yeah, I just thought who
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  writes his seed like this in Star Wars.
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  It's so good. It's real.
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  It is, it's the kind of shit that companies worry about they
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  would rather lose to other people.
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  Then have all of the shit come to light and make them look bad.
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  Just go ahead, leave it alone will make up a convenient,
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  excuse the end, and the fucker didn't even do that.
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  I mean, it's great for his character.
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  But goddamn, I just Oh, I was so Furious.
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  You know, the parts I could hear, I'm just going to keep
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  saying that because a lot of the times he was trying to tell
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  those people at the computers to do stuff and I was like, what
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  did he just tell them? I can't I'm struggling but the
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  other person. Oh, go ahead.
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  No! No, you go ahead.
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  All right, the other person I hated was the boyfriend or the
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  non boyfriend. Boyfriend of the girl Tim heart.
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  Yeah, Carla. It was his last Tim Carlo.
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  Is that his Lucky? I Am Em.
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  Tim Star Wars. Tim Star Wars.
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  Yeah. Really really was not sad.
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  He got killed fucking traitor. Hey paid a price for, I mean, he
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  didn't really understand what he was doing.
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  I think I think he did, I think he was a selfish prick and he's
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  like, I need to get rid of and order to get her because he
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  can't do it with his anything else.
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  His under his unbelievable charm which he didn't have like you
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  couldn't do it on his own so he had to get rid of the common
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  denominator it. Well I yeah.
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  I mean in terms Like that he didn't realize it was going to
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  have a ripple effect. It was a gonna just beat Cassie
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  and like something like that is going to turn into all the
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  people who are connected to him which it did like his mother and
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  mother adoptive mother whatever you want to call it.
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  And I loved I loved all of that. Oh my God, Fiona Shaw is such a
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  good actress. She I love phenomenal.
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  My god. Oh good.
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  Oh my God, and to be like the younger version in the
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  flashbacks and then the current version where she's kind of like
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  frail. Dale.
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  Yeah. So it's the same Droid which I
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  thought I love the new Droid. What?
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  Emo what's-his-name? Be too emo.
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  The. Yes?
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  Yes, it's. That's his fucking name.
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  Emo from the start. Be too emo.
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  It's so great. I love it.
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  He oh my God. I loved that first scene where
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  he comes up and Cassie and his talking to him.
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  And it, I loved that tenders tenderness in that scene because
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  Cassie ins, like hold on a second and like pulls.
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  Yeah. I know a little thing, that's
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  bothering the Droid and he's like, take your time going home,
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  like just take your time, don't have to worry about it.
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  So it's I got sad it almost ruined it for me because you
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  know how sensitive I am when the blue suits, there were like
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  threatening the Droid and he put his head.
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  Like he lowered his eye his head like he would I didn't like that
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  at all. I don't like anything that
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  implies like animal abuse or Droid abuse.
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  You know? Yeah, so I was like, if this
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  continues I'm turning it off. I'm turning my back on the show
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  but luckily that it was just a flash of a moment.
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  They didn't go any further. I know my friend Derek is out
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  there shaking his head going girl like because he knows I
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  can't watch like anything over 10 seconds of tenders shit like
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  that, that threatens anyway. Yeah.
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  But I already am in love with him and he was a shiny new cell
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  phone. That was it a republic ship
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  that? Did I understand that correctly?
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  I'm not sure if it was Republic or Empire but they were wearing
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  the scientists. Yes, that you can Rogue one and
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  there were all green. Like they'd been exposed to some
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  horrible chemical accident or some?
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  Yeah. Yes, it was all.
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  I don't, I don't know. I don't know.
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  It's, you can tell they know where they're going with this
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  story. They do, I don't, but they do.
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  I know. And they have all these
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  different threads that if they don't tie them together, that,
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  that would be a sign of bad writing for sure.
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  But I suspect that they're going to tie all these pieces
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  together, somehow yes, and it will be wonderful.
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  I think they know what they're doing.
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  I mean. Many, many of the scenes, the
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  shots, the lighting, it was all very deliberate.
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  And yeah, yes, even the very there, is that moment in the
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  first scene, where he's at the bar, the brothel looking for a
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  sister Cassie and is standing against the background.
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  The doorway. That's all these blue ringing.
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  Yes. And then the art for the
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  officers, the blue suits, whatever are standing against a
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  similar background. That's all red.
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  And Cassie ins costume is actually read, but looks blue in
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  the light and their costumes are blue and looks read in the light
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  there. Like mirroring opposites, I just
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  was like the detail in that one decision, it makes me so happy.
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  I didn't catch that, but that I will, I will go back and look,
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  is that that you have the trained eye.
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  I'm just the Casual like I look for Easter eggs, I look for
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  think, like they mention a half for the first time ever, in live
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  action also. They said shit they did and they
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  had a kissing scene and I was pissed because I was like, okay,
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  hear me out. I was like, we finally get
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  something sexual and Star Wars, and it's this with these two and
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  it's not Kenobi. Take his clothes off, like we
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  couldn't have gotten Kenobi with this.
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  Like I'm just, I'm biased. Routes through.
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  But they didn't go too far with it.
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  So it was like, okay they they pulled back.
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  So if they want to show something like that with Cassie
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  and I'd be okay with that. Absolutely 100%.
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  Well, now we, there's a possibility in some of those
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  flashbacks, I guess. But yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I know,
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  I had the same. Thought I was like, is this a
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  sex scene in Star Wars? What?
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  I was like, okay, this, the only other shit we've ever gotten is
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  like Padme and Anakin like me. Making out or whatever kissing
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  whatever padmé in her Boudoir dress.
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  I love the Boudoir dress, it's so much realistic, you can't
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  sleep and shit like that anyway. Yeah, maybe Padma can she has
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  her hair done at all times? She is the woman.
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  I will never be. But yeah, it was.
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  I was like, okay, how far is this gonna go?
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  And why is it being wasted on these two characters?
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  You know, nothing about I wanted to be, get out, I know.
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  Yeah, yeah, I don't know it's just such an interesting
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  intricate connection like even the small details of like his
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  friend who I didn't really I only watched it once so I didn't
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  catch everybody's name. Me neither, I tried to write
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  them down but I didn't catch any of them at the friends, I like
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  them all. Yeah.
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  The the guy who is like a worker, you know, it's meets him
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  and they create this kind of story.
• 22:30
  Take Plan. Yeah.
• 22:31
  Like what happened between them? I love when they showed the
• 22:34
  wall. Gloves gloves, let's talk about
• 22:36
  that. I I come from Northwestern
• 22:41
  Pennsylvania. So it's a very big Railroad
• 22:47
  train, Centric area, coal, mining, and I got such a strong
• 22:52
  feel of minors. Railroad workers, yep, total
• 22:59
  blue-collar. I have all the respect in the
• 23:01
  world from because I came from a family.
• 23:04
  Of blue-collar hard workers and so I think it will connect with
• 23:08
  a lot of people that they found they started the base with the
• 23:12
  regular people of the Galaxy. We're not talking about Jedi,
• 23:15
  we're not talking about a or Darth anyone we're talking about
• 23:21
  the common people in the Galaxy where the Rebellion actually
• 23:24
  fucking begins. And I did love how they show.
• 23:29
  They took time to show that and casting has these A reporter's
• 23:35
  with all these individuals and it seems like they go back and
• 23:39
  he had to leave them all. Yeah.
• 23:42
  Which you see them in the third episode, as he's going away,
• 23:45
  they all kind of look like everyone's losing a piece, like
• 23:50
  his friends are starting to realize like oh these blue suits
• 23:54
  are here for him. And this trouble was yeah.
• 24:00
  Also, so he's not from Fest. No, he's not.
• 24:03
  We've been deceived. I know.
• 24:06
  So surprised Canary. Is that what it was called?
• 24:09
  Could Canary Canary Canary I. It made me wonder if it was like
• 24:13
  another mining reference like Canary in the coal, mine.
• 24:16
  Oh, I didn't even put it together.
• 24:19
  I wondered if it was like a deliberate thing, but oh shit.
• 24:25
  Dude, those kids like it's you tribal kids, it's like Lynch
• 24:31
  kids. What the fuck is that book
• 24:32
  called Lord of the Flies? Yes, they were sitting there was
• 24:36
  some sort of terrible accident that killed all the parents, all
• 24:39
  the everyone's dead. It's like all the adults are
• 24:41
  dead. Are these like the kids that
• 24:43
  just got left and they kind of like raised each other like grew
• 24:47
  up together. Well, I mean, they were in ranks
• 24:51
  and they had large clothing on that looked like, White suits to
• 24:55
  me. Yes, yes, I thought the same
• 24:58
  thing, like, for adults that they were, like wrapping around
• 25:01
  and there are pipes their posts actually pipes.
• 25:05
  You, if you look at them closely, they're like pieces
• 25:08
  that were like, like a nut and bolt like, yes, threaded
• 25:13
  together. Yeah, yeah.
• 25:15
  I was like, ingenious again, the the thought of the detail, which
• 25:20
  they may never explained to us in.
• 25:22
  Right. You know, obvious terms And I'm
• 25:26
  the giant mine. I do wonder if that is what
• 25:29
  killed them? That's why.
• 25:31
  Maybe a Cassius character lingered there with some anger.
• 25:35
  Yeah. Oh man.
• 25:36
  That the Mind killed that because like none of the kids
• 25:39
  would be working in the mine. So that would make sense that
• 25:42
  the parents or the older would be in the mine working, while
• 25:46
  the kids stayed back in the village and then something
• 25:48
  happened at the mine. I don't know.
• 25:49
  Yeah. Or maybe they were just taken
• 25:52
  from their children, and the kids that Dead but really
• 25:55
  they're miners would be that was a great shot.
• 26:00
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:02
  All of that was so well done. Where I don't really remember
• 26:07
  where episode 3 starts? Well, there is one thing that
• 26:12
  starts every day. On that place.
• 26:16
  And that's the bellringer. The dude who lives his Hammers
• 26:21
  and has like a religious moment and then like, proceeds to bang
• 26:25
  the metal, which I fucking loved.
• 26:28
  I do too. He took his job, seriously.
• 26:31
  He thought that was everything, and I love that they added that
• 26:35
  in was very poetic. That's a guy who kissed and
• 26:39
  like, And So, It Begins, and then bang, bang, bang, bang.
• 26:43
  And it was just, it was Wonderful.
• 26:45
  I love. That was like I like that.
• 26:46
  Dude, that was, I love that DJ and I love that they showed it
• 26:50
  multiple times. Like it was just one time, which
• 26:52
  again is very much a call to like mining Community where they
• 26:55
  would blow the steam whistle. Yeah.
• 26:57
  And be the changing of the shifts going through because I'm
• 27:00
  like my family is also from West Virginia.
• 27:02
  So we have that all in are not all of my family but half of it
• 27:06
  so like yeah that's definitely in our heritage to its it is
• 27:11
  it's a really cool and, you know, the the The screenwriter.
• 27:17
  There's mining in the UK as well.
• 27:19
  They have a lot of mines in like whale sure.
• 27:21
  Yeah and such so it's when you come from a mining background,
• 27:27
  it's very much embedded in your You're like personal DNA.
• 27:33
  Yeah, yeah. Cuz mining involves a lot of
• 27:37
  tragedy. It does.
• 27:38
  It's a lot of hard work. It's dirty work.
• 27:41
  It will poison you after a long time of doing the same work.
• 27:46
  Yeah. But also, what your mining is
• 27:48
  kind of like the thing that keeps your country going.
• 27:51
  Yeah. Like things that we take for
• 27:54
  granted. So it's yeah, it's very
• 27:58
  interesting and You can see how like the Empire would take
• 28:02
  advantage of that and exploit it on incredible levels.
• 28:10
  Oh man, that's seen though with luthan.
• 28:15
  It was even longer than what we saw in the preview.
• 28:18
  Yes and it was even better because I love the interspersed
• 28:22
  scenes of them coming to the place that added kind of a
• 28:25
  frantic feeling chance they had to make a decision.
• 28:28
  And when they got away and and Lutheran's kind of, tell it less
• 28:32
  than 1, never do this less than to never do that.
• 28:35
  And like, I thought it was so fucking cool when he Lou it up
• 28:40
  at the end. Yeah, I like it.
• 28:43
  They weren't in that original speeder.
• 28:45
  They were on a different one or transporting that they were on a
• 28:48
  speeder and he just like, Click, Boom, whatever.
• 28:51
  And that like that was it, you know.
• 28:53
  Yeah. It's so cool because you can see
• 28:56
  how Cassie and is Wily but like not wise.
• 29:01
  Yeah, it's not polished. Yeah, but we know he gets there.
• 29:05
  Yes, exactly. You know, by the time we get to
• 29:07
  Rogue one, he's very, very Very good at what he does.
• 29:11
  So it's, yeah, it's really cool to kind of see how they're
• 29:14
  establishing his character. Is a bit of a tragic background,
• 29:19
  but also a bit of a, I don't even know, like a Ruffian, if
• 29:24
  you want to call it that. But somebody who's clearly owes
• 29:27
  a lot of people money and you're not really sure why.
• 29:31
  So he's not a super, like, I don't like a super good guy, you
• 29:35
  know? It's but like if you're in with
• 29:37
  him, it's good. If you He owes you money.
• 29:40
  He's going to give you shit a lot of shit.
• 29:43
  How great was that alien character?
• 29:46
  That just stood there. He's like you told me to stand
• 29:48
  here. You just told me to stand here
• 29:50
  and look at you like a toad like perfectly.
• 29:53
  That was one of my favorites. He's I loved that.
• 29:57
  Oh my God, the face was perfect. How tall he wasn't.
• 30:00
  His face is kind of angled in those eyes and like he just told
• 30:03
  me to stand here like that is like you're working with him
• 30:07
  know you need work this badly. Yeah.
• 30:09
  Right doofus. I thought that was so cute.
• 30:13
  I love it too. But he's like, you know, it was
• 30:15
  great to see you again and just walks away.
• 30:18
  And the guys, like what? Yeah, exactly I did what you
• 30:21
  said, like pay me. No, yeah, that was great.
• 30:25
  Yes, I don't like the little details like that.
• 30:28
  I love that. Another thing I really loved.
• 30:33
  Was when she was about to go down.
• 30:35
  All of the citizens started banging on metal.
• 30:39
  Yes, I didn't understand but I did at the same time like I was
• 30:44
  like, what are they doing? Yeah.
• 30:46
  But then I didn't need to know I just knew because they all
• 30:50
  started doing it and it was kind of Blended in with his stepmoms
• 30:55
  words of like when it stops then what.
• 30:58
  And then she gives like a look like mmmm.
• 31:00
  Oh my God, I got Sperms, I leave that scene.
• 31:04
  I loved her performance of that because, so good didn't even say
• 31:07
  anything. It's just like, you know, when
• 31:09
  it stops and he's like, what happens when it stops and she
• 31:12
  just goes. Yeah, so get back in her chair.
• 31:15
  Yeah, it's so great. That was fantastic.
• 31:19
  And then it did stop. And it was funny, because you
• 31:21
  started to not even notice it in the background.
• 31:23
  And then, when it stopped, you're like, oh shit.
• 31:26
  Yeah. It's just like, slowly building
• 31:29
  your anxiety and you don't even know why.
• 31:31
  Yeah. Yeah, it was a brilliant.
• 31:33
  That's a brilliant touch. Yeah.
• 31:37
  I like communal things like that, just the level of detail
• 31:43
  in the show from those little details but like they're not
• 31:46
  over explaining to you. They're letting their, they're
• 31:49
  respecting the audience's intelligence by just putting it
• 31:52
  there and either your put it together or you won't.
• 31:55
  But it doesn't really matter if you don't write, it's just going
• 31:57
  to like add to the tapestry, you know?
• 32:00
  Yes. Yes.
• 32:00
  And then like when they're on the Speeder Bike speeding away
• 32:03
  and they're going over those like they're like always panties
• 32:06
  or like the Colored fields, which is very reminiscent of
• 32:10
  looking down at the United Kingdom.
• 32:12
  When you fly over it, there are these weird shaped fields that
• 32:16
  are not even necessarily Square. Yeah.
• 32:18
  You know, you see that in a lot of agricultural, parts of the
• 32:21
  country here, even in the United States.
• 32:24
  I just like you didn't have to put that detail in.
• 32:27
  They could have just been. It was driving down a dirt road.
• 32:29
  Like, I love it. I love the production design on
• 32:33
  this, it's so good. Well, the end was The end of
• 32:38
  episode three was by far, my favorite because of the focus
• 32:41
  and the weaving of kassian leaving.
• 32:47
  One part of his past with his stepmom.
• 32:50
  His now, stepmom leaving a that behind compared to him leaving
• 32:56
  her again. Well, he's leaving her this
• 33:00
  time. Yeah, behind with everything.
• 33:03
  He's known for this next step and the sunlight on his face in
• 33:07
  the show. In his eyes like I thought.
• 33:09
  Yeah. Like it was like, you know, hope
• 33:13
  and light are connected so much in Star Wars and you're looking
• 33:18
  ahead. There is light you know what
• 33:20
  happens at the end of Row 1 with all of that light?
• 33:24
  Yes that comes towards him and gin on the beach so it's like
• 33:30
  This is the shit that I wanted. From the show like that scene
• 33:36
  alone, beautiful, beautiful. And to show the parallel of him
• 33:42
  as a kid, this is waking up in the ship and looking out.
• 33:45
  He's never probably seen a view like that and now he's in this
• 33:50
  new ship going out and it's like the threshold of a new chapter
• 33:55
  in his life starting, you know, like that.
• 33:57
  They showed that in parallel. I thought was so, and like, not
• 34:01
  over handed. It wasn't heavy handed.
• 34:03
  It was They even cut it in a way where for a second you weren't
• 34:07
  sure. Are you seeing current or past?
• 34:10
  You know, and I didn't matter did because it was so similar to
• 34:14
  him exactly. It was his life that he was
• 34:17
  reliving almost you know, in a different way.
• 34:21
  So what are your thoughts on? How is there any Myrna was that
• 34:26
  her name, his stepmother, his adoptive mother whatever her and
• 34:30
  I didn't see what her husband's name was.
• 34:32
  I assume that man with Was her husband.
• 34:34
  But what were your thoughts? How she kept saying?
• 34:38
  She wanted to take him and rescue him because the Empire is
• 34:40
  coming and this surely are going to kill him.
• 34:43
  Whereas the ban is saying, he has people here like just leave
• 34:45
  him. Like you're taking him is
• 34:48
  actually going to do more harm than good.
• 34:51
  What did you think of that? I want to know if there's more
• 34:55
  to it than that. Hmm I don't know if there is
• 35:01
  like maybe she just is, you know, a nice, a good person who
• 35:05
  wanted to save one but did the rest die or not?
• 35:09
  Yeah, I guess they didn't know about the other people.
• 35:12
  I don't know. It's I thought that was an
• 35:14
  interesting scene. Marva Marva.
• 35:17
  And or is her name? Oh okay.
• 35:20
  So he took her last name. Yeah, that's kind of
• 35:22
  interesting. I wonder if we'll get like what
• 35:24
  his other last name was his native last name.
• 35:28
  I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.
• 35:30
  What did you what did you think of it though?
• 35:34
  Of that I kind of feel the same way you do.
• 35:36
  It's like I want to know if it's if there was some other reason
• 35:41
  you know that she was she was really eager to take him.
• 35:45
  She was like really quickly wanted to take him and it's like
• 35:49
  if it was to protect him. Why take him?
• 35:53
  Why not try and find his people and leave him with the people?
• 35:57
  He's already with? I don't know.
• 35:59
  I yeah, I thought it was a interesting.
• 36:02
  Maybe they couldn't have children, maybe I mean there
• 36:08
  didn't seem to be contention between her and Cassie.
• 36:10
  And they actually seem to be very kind of, like, loving with
• 36:12
  each other's, right? Right.
• 36:14
  He doesn't seem to hold a grudge about it, but maybe he does
• 36:18
  secretly and didn't want to show her.
• 36:19
  I don't know. We'll see how everything
• 36:21
  unfolds. I'm very interested to see how
• 36:23
  they're going to keep representing that I really hope
• 36:26
  we're not done with Marvel's character because obviously I
• 36:29
  love the actress. I love the performance so far,
• 36:32
  and I hope to get to know more because there's a gap there and
• 36:36
  I'm sure we'll get some flashbacks that will answer
• 36:38
  these questions. Maybe, hopefully, I don't know.
• 36:41
  Yeah, I hope so. I hope because like he just
• 36:44
  leaves her without she doesn't even know.
• 36:47
  Yeah, it's like, maybe she does mothers intuition.
• 36:50
  Yeah, yeah. Drew.
• 36:52
  It's possible. And and his voice did come over
• 36:55
  the Droid. That said, tell her, I'm sorry,
• 36:56
  tell her, I have to go tell her. You're right.
• 36:59
  That's so she heard some of that, but, yeah, maybe the
• 37:03
  female character, the the mechanic I can't remember her
• 37:06
  name. Gorgeous.
• 37:08
  Oh yeah. Who asked for Kathy?
• 37:11
  I feel bonded to her because she first thing she asked for was
• 37:13
  coffee in the morning. I loved her.
• 37:18
  As she I'm maybe she'll have a talk, maybe she'll go find the
• 37:21
  mother. Sure, she's okay.
• 37:23
  Oh, yeah, maybe I'm sure they all know each other, Maybe.
• 37:26
  Did you notice when Myrna Marva? Marvin?
• 37:30
  Martina Martina. I don't know.
• 37:33
  Minerva no wrong story. Fiona Shaw.
• 37:37
  Yeah, notice. We only way to is his bedroom.
• 37:40
  He had it stuffed Mammoth or a bantha?
• 37:44
  Yes, yes, yes, I saw that. And I was like, okay, we need to
• 37:48
  have one because they make stuffed everything, except I
• 37:51
  haven't seen a band that Disney yet, so they better come out
• 37:54
  with one. I want one if you know My old
• 37:57
  saying of save the bantha, free. The bantha.
• 38:00
  Yeah. Afraid the banthas.
• 38:02
  Yeah, man. Yeah, I love it.
• 38:12
  Alright, our question this week to you, all is of the three
• 38:16
  episodes, which one did you like the best or conversely?
• 38:20
  If there was one scene that you loved in all three episodes,
• 38:24
  which one was your favorite scene?
• 38:25
  Let us know. No.
• 38:29
  Join us back here. Next week, we are going to dive
• 38:31
  back into some ob1 stuff. We're going to discuss.
• 38:36
  We're going to discuss similarities and differences
• 38:38
  between Obi-Wan's relationship with Satine and Anakin's
• 38:42
  relationship with Pat made. There's a lot to dive into
• 38:45
  there. So, yeah, join us back next
• 38:47
  week. Very interesting stuff.
• 38:51
  So we got a couple of listener comments from our episode last
• 38:53
  week, when we tried to pair Star Wars characters with what their
• 38:58
  real life jobs would be if they lived in the here and now been
• 39:03
  our friend Ben sent this to us. He says, to answer your
• 39:06
  question, I think if Luke had our universe he would be forced
• 39:11
  to be a cook in a restaurant than Uncle.
• 39:13
  Owen is the owner of that he keeps a very small staff count
• 39:17
  so Luke would be a part of that, which I Totally see.
• 39:22
  Yeah I could see the waitstaff perhaps the maitre d and Uncle
• 39:26
  Owens restaurant. He would be a great Surfer.
• 39:30
  He would be great and he would hate every minute of it.
• 39:32
  Absolutely. And then we did talk about the
• 39:35
  Rogue one characters and one person we didn't mention is Bode
• 39:38
  the pilot but Brick Ben says that Bode would be a parachute
• 39:42
  instructor and remain a pilot in his, you know, on the off time.
• 39:47
  So parachute instructor would be a really good.
• 39:50
  He would be like, you know, a skydiver.
• 39:53
  I could see that. Yeah, he's so nervous though.
• 39:56
  Yeah, he would need to practice. He's a little bit hungry, be
• 39:59
  like double-checking your parachute over and over and over
• 40:03
  Toby. Yeah.
• 40:04
  So what comment did you get on on YouTube?
• 40:06
  Right. So yeah, YouTube Gabby.
• 40:09
  Left us a comment saying, can you imagine Vader sitting at the
• 40:13
  desk? When you walk into the DMV to
• 40:15
  renew your license, as you let it expire.
• 40:19
  Is like, I find your Lack of timely renewal disturbing.
• 40:22
  Yes, I love that. All right, thank you so much for
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