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Murder In Moscow: Did The FBI Lose Track Of Bryan Kohberger? · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. On
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  Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to check out some of the
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  Speaker 1: headlines that have happened overnight and in the past few
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  Speaker 1: days and get caught up on where things currently stand
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  Speaker 1: as of this morning. And to do that, we're once
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  Speaker 1: again going to use The Independent. Headline, Idaho Murders Update.
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  Speaker 1: Source reveals victim grabbed knife as Kaylee Gonsalves' family appeals
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  Speaker 1: the gag order. This article was authored by Rachel Sharp
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  Speaker 1: and Andrea Blanco. Now, there's also another article out this morning,
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  Speaker 1: or I guess it came out yesterday, from the Daily Mail,
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  Speaker 1: talking about the surviving roommate and how one of Ethan
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  Speaker 1: Chapin's relatives made a post on Reddit about the roommate
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  Speaker 1: and about how the roommate didn't act fast enough and
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that. However, what the Daily Mail forgets to
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  Speaker 1: do is let you know that that post was made
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  Speaker 1: literally a few days after the murders. So context, especially here,
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  Speaker 1: is very important. We haven't heard anything from Ethan Chapin's family,
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  Speaker 1: at least publicly, that has anything to do with anything
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  Speaker 1: besides talking about Ethan's memory, right? And how they're going
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  Speaker 1: to remember their lost son. But this post from Reddit
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  Speaker 1: three months ago, well, it has Daily Mail out here
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  Speaker 1: writing an article. And I'm not one of these people
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  Speaker 1: that really piles on Daily Mail. I think they do
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  Speaker 1: pretty good work when it comes to true crime stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And they certainly did good work when it came to
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew. But you have to have
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  Speaker 1: some context here because it's important. A lot can change,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a few days after the murder all the
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  Speaker 1: way up until now as far as opinions go. When
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  Speaker 1: you get more information and things are put into context
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  Speaker 1: as a relative and you're hearing from the police that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's a suspect who is Brian Koberger. Well,
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  Speaker 1: It puts things in context for you and hopefully answers
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  Speaker 1: some of the questions you may have. Now, that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean there aren't questions that need to be answered around
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  Speaker 1: the surviving roommates. I'm not somebody who believes that they
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  Speaker 1: had anything to do with these crimes, but there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of things that are missing and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: gaps that need to be filled in for sure. These
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  Speaker 1: poor girls went through a traumatic experience as well, and
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  Speaker 1: none of us know how we would react, but that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean we can't have Questions about what went down
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  Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll get some clarification about all of that
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  Speaker 1: come trial time But as far as framing it in
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  Speaker 1: this article like Ethan's family is coming out and Questioning
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  Speaker 1: if Dylan had something to do with these crimes Without
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  Speaker 1: putting it into context of when that comment allegedly was
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  Speaker 1: posted Well, it makes it look like they don't believe
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  Speaker 1: what the police are saying however when you read that
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  Speaker 1: in context and you find out that this was four
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  Speaker 1: days after the crime happened, way before the affidavit was released,
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  Speaker 1: way before Brian Koberger was arrested, then you start to
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  Speaker 1: see things a little more clearly, right? If Ethan Chapin's
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  Speaker 1: family truly felt like this, I think we'd be hearing
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  Speaker 1: it from his parents, not from some alleged family member
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  Speaker 1: on Reddit. So while I understand that the Daily Mail
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  Speaker 1: has to drive traffic and keep interest in the story,
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  Speaker 1: But I'm not a big fan of reporting things out
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  Speaker 1: of context to drive clicks. I think that's a bit ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: But the overall question of what happened that night, what
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  Speaker 1: the roommate's reaction was and why, why she did what
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  Speaker 1: she did, all of that's valid. And all of those questions,
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  Speaker 1: hopefully at some point, are going to be answered by
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  Speaker 1: investigators or at the trial. Because remember, the defense team,
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  Speaker 1: they're aware of all of this as well. Who knows
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  Speaker 1: what Brian Koberger and his team are cooking up as
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  Speaker 1: far as what the roommate had to say during those
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  Speaker 1: fateful hours that morning in Moscow. Because she's going to
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  Speaker 1: be put on the witness stand and Ann Taylor is
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  Speaker 1: going to have a chance to cross-examine her. So that's
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  Speaker 1: going to be very interesting to see how that all
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  Speaker 1: breaks out and what comes after that cross-examination. So instead
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  Speaker 1: of reading that whole Daily Mail article where it's basically
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  Speaker 1: out of context, I figured we'd just touch on it
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  Speaker 1: real quick before we dove into the rest of the
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  Speaker 1: updates for this morning. So with that said, let's get
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  Speaker 1: to it and let's check on the other headlines. One
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  Speaker 1: of the victims in the Idaho murders reportedly fought the
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  Speaker 1: attacker before she was killed. Sources close to the investigation
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  Speaker 1: told News Nation that slain University of Idaho's Zanna Kernodle
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  Speaker 1: had suffered wounds to her fingers after repeatedly grabbing the
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  Speaker 1: knife from the killer during the November 13th attack. And
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  Speaker 1: if there was that kind of struggle, you have to
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  Speaker 1: think that Brian Kohlberger's DNA is going to be on
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  Speaker 1: Zana's body. When you have a fight like that and
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  Speaker 1: her fingers are slashed to the degree that they were,
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  Speaker 1: you have to think that she at least got her
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  Speaker 1: hands up and grabbed him at some point and maybe,
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  Speaker 1: just maybe, some skin or something like that went under
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  Speaker 1: her fingernails. Kernodle's boyfriend, Ethan Chapin, and her roommates, Madison
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  Speaker 1: Mogan and Kaylee Gonsalves, were also murdered that night. Washington
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  Speaker 1: State University criminology PhD student, Brian Kohlberger, has since been
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  Speaker 1: charged with the slayings. Last week, the Gonsalves family, attorney
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  Speaker 1: Shannon Gray, appealed a gag order in the case that
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  Speaker 1: he described as unconstitutional and fashionably overbroad and vague, Fox
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  Speaker 1: News reported. And remember, it's not just Shannon Gray who
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  Speaker 1: thinks that. It's the media as well. Over 20 media
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  Speaker 1: organizations have banded together to challenge the vast scope of
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  Speaker 1: that gag order as well. So it's not just Shannon
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  Speaker 1: Gray and the Gonsalves family here who believes that the
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  Speaker 1: scope is overbearing. The measure bans investigators, law enforcement personnel, attorneys,
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  Speaker 1: members of both the prosecution and the defense. and any
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  Speaker 1: attorneys representing witnesses, victims, or victims' families from sharing new
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  Speaker 1: information about the investigation or the suspect. The order issued
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  Speaker 1: by the Latah County Chief Magistrate on January 4th was
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  Speaker 1: extended on January 19th and is set to remain in
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  Speaker 1: place throughout court proceedings until a verdict has been reached
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  Speaker 1: or unless the mandate is modified by the court. So, hopefully,
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  Speaker 1: it'll get modified by the court and they'll find a
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  Speaker 1: common ground, where they protect the integrity of the case,
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  Speaker 1: as well as doing the best they can to ensure
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  Speaker 1: that the jury pool is not tainted. But you have
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  Speaker 1: to remember that there's constitutional rights that go along with
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  Speaker 1: all of that, and you can't just trample the Constitution
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  Speaker 1: whenever it's convenient for you. Brian Koberger's distinct eyebrows may
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  Speaker 1: have been among the first in a string of details,
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  Speaker 1: that linked him to the Idaho murders, according to a
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  Speaker 1: new report. Airmail's The Eyes of a Killer Part 2
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  Speaker 1: offers a vivid description of the Moscow police hunt for
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  Speaker 1: evidence that would ultimately materialize in Mr. Koberger's arrest for
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  Speaker 1: the murders of four University of Idaho students based on
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  Speaker 1: an affidavit released earlier this month and sources close to
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  Speaker 1: the investigation. And those eyebrows, being so bushy, happened to
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  Speaker 1: be the distinguishing feature that the surviving roommate remembered. And
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  Speaker 1: then when she reported that, things started to snowball from
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  Speaker 1: there when they started looking at people who owned Elantras
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  Speaker 1: and vehicles that were close in the description to the
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  Speaker 1: one that Brian Koberger owned. And then when they pieced
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  Speaker 1: it all together and started stitching it up, it led
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  Speaker 1: them to Brian Koberger. According to her report, a lead
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  Speaker 1: investigator first had an inkling that Mr. Koberger would become
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  Speaker 1: a suspect in the crime after he ran the Washington
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  Speaker 1: State University Ph.D. student's license plate and noticed his bushy eyebrows.
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  Speaker 1: One of the surviving roommates at 1122 King Road Home
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  Speaker 1: had recounted how she unknowingly saw her friend's killer leaving
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  Speaker 1: the scene before going back into her room in a
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  Speaker 1: state of shock. The woman said the killer was wearing
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  Speaker 1: a mask but his bushy eyebrows stood out to her.
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  Speaker 1: So all she really got was a description of what
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  Speaker 1: he looked like as far as how tall he was,
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  Speaker 1: was he fat, was he skinny, athletic, muscular, whatever. And
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  Speaker 1: then the clincher, the one thing that he didn't have
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  Speaker 1: covered up was those bushy eyebrows. And that one little
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  Speaker 1: detail added up with all of the other stuff that
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  Speaker 1: they had come up with led them to Brian Koberger.
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  Speaker 1: And using the entirety of that evidence, they were able
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  Speaker 1: to build that probable cause and strong probable cause to
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  Speaker 1: go after him and eventually get a judge to sign
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  Speaker 1: off on arresting him. But that's the easy part. Getting
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  Speaker 1: the judge to sign off on a probable cause warrant
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  Speaker 1: isn't the most difficult thing in the world. It's certainly
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  Speaker 1: not getting a jury to believe what you want them
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  Speaker 1: to believe. And that's what the prosecution is going to
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  Speaker 1: have to do. Their job is going to be to
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  Speaker 1: turn all of these allegations into concrete proof. Are they
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  Speaker 1: going to be able to do that? Well, that's the
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  Speaker 1: million dollar question. And what we see so far is strong.
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  Speaker 1: What we see so far seems to be the foundational
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  Speaker 1: building blocks for a conviction. But like usual, I always
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  Speaker 1: leave some room for things to go south. New evidence
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  Speaker 1: can be introduced to the case. There can be prosecutorial misconduct,
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  Speaker 1: just a whole slew of things that could possibly go wrong.
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  Speaker 1: So this certainly is. some slam dunk that they're going
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  Speaker 1: to get a conviction on and the prosecution has to
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  Speaker 1: continue to be on their game and they have to
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  Speaker 1: continue to build these blocks on top of each other
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  Speaker 1: so that a jury believes that Brian Koberger the man
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  Speaker 1: the government says killed those four college students gets convicted
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  Speaker 1: And if they can't make that case and they can't
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  Speaker 1: put those pieces together, then, well, the conversation is going
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  Speaker 1: to be something else entirely. All right, folks, that's going
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  Speaker 1: to do it for this one. All of the information
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  Speaker 1: that goes along with this episode, well, that can be
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  Speaker 1: found in the description box.