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EP #71 - Conspiracy Awakening with Luke Balcke · Spiritual AF!

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SPEAKER_03: I love inspiring people to do and create things in the world.
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SPEAKER_04: I'm going to understand coaching facilitator and speaker.
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SPEAKER_03: We share real enrollment virtual stories.
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SPEAKER_03: Give you a safe space to challenge what's annoying and have some serious fun along the way.
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SPEAKER_04: Come join us as we get spiritual and today we are joined by evolutionary astrologer and past life regressionist Luke Balk.
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SPEAKER_04: This interview took some awesome twists and turns through astrology, past lives, dark night of the soul, so-called conspiracy theories, predictions, and collective awakening of humanity.
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SPEAKER_04: So buckle up, folks, you're in for an interesting ride.
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SPEAKER_03: Welcome back, everyone.
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SPEAKER_03: So good as always to have you here with Diane and I.
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SPEAKER_03: And it obviously means that we get to have keep having great conversations and bringing back great guests, as we have today, actually.
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SPEAKER_03: Now, today, uh, let me start with something you definitely will know, your star sign.
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SPEAKER_03: Uh, you probably checked your horoscopes in a magazine.
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SPEAKER_03: I know that Diane and I probably jump on the phone every single time it's Mercury retrograde to talk about our bad week.
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SPEAKER_03: Don't we, Diane?
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SPEAKER_03: But yes, obviously, astrology is so much more than that.
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SPEAKER_03: So today we have found the very best of the best, professional astrologer, past life regressionist.
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SPEAKER_03: It's a hard one to say that one, and founder of Astro Awakening.
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SPEAKER_03: We have Luke Balk to the show to chat all things astrology and more.
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SPEAKER_03: So welcome, Luke.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you very much for having me.
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SPEAKER_00: Good to be here.
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SPEAKER_00: Looking forward to this combo.
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SPEAKER_03: So good to have you here.
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SPEAKER_03: And we just mentioned before the show that we first heard your name, I think in our very, very early days from your good friend David the Medium.
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SPEAKER_03: So let's do a big shout out to David.
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SPEAKER_01: So Jim, yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: He is, and we absolutely love him on the show here.
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SPEAKER_03: So we can't wait to get stuck in today.
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SPEAKER_03: And I want to start with a place that I always like to start because number one, I'm a little bit nosy, and I love to be really curious about how the hell people like us get on this journey.
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SPEAKER_03: You know, how on earth did you end up here and what did your world look like before astrology and everything entered the picture for you?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So my gateway drug was a 9-11 conspiracy video.
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SPEAKER_01: And yeah, around 2012.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, a friend had sent me to that.
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SPEAKER_01: So I'll give you a bit of an understanding of who I was before that moment.
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SPEAKER_01: Um typical Aussie Bloke, had my own pest control business, had been in the industry for almost 20 years, um, was quite successful at it, um, ran a crew of people and had a good reputation on the Gold Coast.
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SPEAKER_01: I actually won, I came runner-up in pest manager of the year in 2008.
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SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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SPEAKER_01: So, and you know, I was just very stereotypical.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, for example, when September actually happened, um, I was I'd moved to the UK, and I was like, you know, outraged, and I was like, Yeah, let's go get us on Bin Laden.
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SPEAKER_01: This is bad.
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SPEAKER_01: So, you know, like I was like, Yeah, America.
3:41
SPEAKER_01: And um, then you know, fast forward um marriage, kids, life, and everything.
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SPEAKER_01: And uh, yeah, a person had sent me a um a video on a nine and I can't remember the actual video, but it was enough for me to sort of go, What?
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SPEAKER_01: Uh that there's a well that's that's uh that does make sense.
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SPEAKER_01: So that was the beginning of starting to question things.
4:03
SPEAKER_01: Um and then fast forward, I went through um a period where I uh took alcohol out of my life for a year, had a pretty big spiritual awakening, had some Reiki sessions with a pretty phenomenal healer on the Gold Coast, um, had a real epiphany moment, and aha.
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SPEAKER_01: And I was then really like hungry for knowledge and in meaning and understanding because up until that point I'd become someone in my life that I thought I was supposed to be, but I didn't really know myself and I didn't really know like who I'd become and what I was doing.
4:34
SPEAKER_01: But from the outside looking in, there were no issues, just internally I was going through a lot, and um yeah, so along that journey of looking into conspiracies, um, I discovered astrotheology, which is the study of astrology and religion.
4:48
SPEAKER_01: And I was raised, I wasn't raised religious at all.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, so you weren't?
4:54
SPEAKER_04: I I did make that assumption that maybe you had been.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah, not at all.
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SPEAKER_01: In fact, um my parents instilled in me at the age of six that the atheists sort of believe in like when you die, that's it.
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SPEAKER_01: And because I'm a Virgo and I'm a Sagittarian rising, so I'm a I'm a seeker of truth and knowledge.
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SPEAKER_01: At six-year-old, I couldn't reconcile that.
5:15
SPEAKER_01: It didn't make sense to me.
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SPEAKER_01: So it created a really deep fear of dying, death.
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SPEAKER_01: And um, I couldn't go to sleep at night because I was worried that I wouldn't wake up or my parents wouldn't wake up, and I'd be screaming and crying and running to mom and dad's room, and they'd be like, What's wrong?
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SPEAKER_01: And I'd be like, No, I don't want you to die, and they'd be like, We're not gonna die and I'd be when you do.
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SPEAKER_01: Because my my belief system at that point was like, that's it, it's annihilation, like there's nothing, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: So um, as you get older, you sort of learn to repress that fear because it's not cool at school to be afraid to, you know, because and then what happens with the fraid of uh being afraid of death is being afraid then of uncertainty and also failure.
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SPEAKER_01: That's how it manifests later in life.
5:52
SPEAKER_01: So I carried that and I internalized that and I put on this brave sort of persona, but internally I was I was a weak little insecure boy.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, I went through a massive awakening, um, discovered astro theology at a time in my life where I was really hungry for knowledge, and it made sense.
6:10
SPEAKER_01: And it just I didn't know anything about the Bible, but I knew like little pieces here and there.
6:15
SPEAKER_01: And there was an Australian guy who's quite controversial, um, and his early stuff was phenomenal.
6:20
SPEAKER_01: His name is Santos Bonacci, and um, he's a real conspiracy theorist.
6:25
SPEAKER_01: But his knowledge within he was raised Jehovah, and his knowledge of the Bible and religion is like profound, but then he had an awakening and got out of that and sort of got into astrology and everything else, and he tied them the two things together in such a way that I thought, okay, my understanding is that a lot of the religions of the world are telling the mythology of the movement of the stars, right?
6:47
SPEAKER_01: In their in their allegory and their stories, and I thought, well, there must be something to these stars, then I better look into that.
6:53
SPEAKER_01: And uh, up until that point, like you mentioned earlier, I knew I was a Virgo, but I didn't know anything else.
6:59
SPEAKER_01: You know, had some Virgo traits, I was a little bit anal retentive, a bit of a perfectionist, very self-critical.
7:04
SPEAKER_01: Um, but other than that, I didn't really and you look at the magazines and the horoscopes, and it's easy to sort of dismiss it because it's non-specific, it's a bit generic.
7:12
SPEAKER_01: Some days you resonate and other days you don't.
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SPEAKER_01: It was a bit like, eh, whatever.
7:16
SPEAKER_01: But then I went down deeper into it and I understood that like the horoscope is just like one one hundredth of your birth chart.
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SPEAKER_01: It's such a small little part.
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SPEAKER_01: And um, I discovered that you actually have a birth chart and what that is, and then I cast my birth chart and I had this generic sort of online interpretation from it, and I was starting to read it, and I was like, this actually makes a lot of sense.
7:38
SPEAKER_01: So then I sought out an astrologer on the gold coaster professional, and I went to her and I got a reading, and then I said to her, I want to learn, and she started tutoring me.
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SPEAKER_01: And then it wasn't an intention to become an astrologer, it was just because I really wanted to know about this.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
7:51
SPEAKER_01: And at that point in my life, too, I was kind of pissed off that we hadn't been taught this in our education system because it was profound meaning and understanding to how energy works and the elements and how everything comes together and how consciousness works from an astrological perspective.
8:08
SPEAKER_01: And um, it just for me, it just made sense.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, and I and I could make sense of it really quickly.
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SPEAKER_01: So I started casting charts for my family members and friends, and I'd started learning about them through the lens of their chart, and I'd read things and I'd watch podcasts and I'd read books, and I just got really deeply into it, and then fast forward to um 2018, and I'd gone through a dark night of the soul, a break marriage, separation, relocation, like everything got turned upside down.
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SPEAKER_01: And I came out the other side, um, did some plant medicine, which was very helpful, and um I I sort of started reading for friends and just started in helping them with the black guidance, looking at their birth chart, and people started saying, like, wow, that's profound.
8:55
SPEAKER_01: You're really good at this.
8:56
SPEAKER_01: Why aren't you doing it?
8:57
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I didn't really consider it as a something that I could do.
9:02
SPEAKER_01: And in 2018, I was living in Melbourne at the time.
9:04
SPEAKER_01: I um yeah, I I quit my job, I had some savings, and I put everything into just grinding away and and starting uh a career as an astrologer.
9:15
SPEAKER_01: And um to build, you know, that was before COVID, and um to build um you know, uh confidence and also community, I would go to the local cafe on a once a month on a Friday night, and I'd do a live astro presentation of the oh cool, yeah.
9:30
SPEAKER_01: And I used to get about 30 or 40 people to that event.
9:32
SPEAKER_01: It was a free event, but it was really good because it got me confident speaking in front of people and talking about things, answering questions, and that built community.
9:40
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then 2019 was a bit of a grind, but then 2020 hit, and uh I didn't predict COVID, but I predicted like a lot of really massive things about to happen, so much so that some of my clients used that knowledge to leave Melbourne.
9:54
SPEAKER_01: Um and then two things happened.
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SPEAKER_01: One, we were locked down and everything went online, and two, everyone was looking around going, What the actual farming is going on?
10:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, and they wanted answers, and I didn't have answers, but I could help them find their answers by helping them understand themselves.
10:11
SPEAKER_01: And I was also very outspoken through that whole time period.
10:14
SPEAKER_01: I was anti-everything because I'd gone through my spiritual awakening like 2012, 2016.
10:19
SPEAKER_01: By the time that came around, it was like, Oh yeah, I know what this is.
10:23
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
10:24
SPEAKER_01: You know, so from the get-go, I was anti-everything about it, and I didn't mind speaking up and out online about it.
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SPEAKER_01: In fact, one day I was in a client session and there was a knock at the door, it was the police because someone had seen what I was doing online and talking about it at the end.
10:40
SPEAKER_01: Police come to the door, and I didn't actually end up seeing them.
10:43
SPEAKER_01: They just wanted to know where I lived, who I was, and what I was doing, and as with a client at the time, so um, yeah, they didn't really do anything further than that.
10:52
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I've I've made light, like, light hard of it.
10:55
SPEAKER_01: Like I made it fun for people that were really freaking out.
10:59
SPEAKER_01: Um and my my client database just expanded exponentially.
11:04
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then I went from people in because it was online, I went from people in my community in Melbourne to like around Australia and then overseas, and yeah, and then it's been pretty much a steady growth ever since then.
11:15
SPEAKER_01: So now I'm fortunate enough to have clients in pretty much most continents around the world, huge amount of clients in Australia, a lot of repeat.
11:23
SPEAKER_01: I think there's about 60% of my clients are repeat clients, and um, yeah, I'm I'm lucky I can work online, I can work wherever I am.
11:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
11:31
SPEAKER_01: Um, and uh yeah, and I I I like to look at myself as someone that stands in the gap between the old self and the new self as you're going through that journey of awakening.
11:40
SPEAKER_01: And I went through it on my own, yeah, and I made a lot of fuck-ups, and I was just, you know, and I internalized everything, and there wasn't much external support at that time.
11:50
SPEAKER_01: So I sort of look at myself now as someone that can hold that space between the old and the new and say, Yeah, like you're not crazy, the fucking world is.
11:58
SPEAKER_01: Now it's time to realign yourself, you know.
12:00
SPEAKER_01: And when people do that, they have to go through significant changes to their old life, and it's not an easy process to do.
12:07
SPEAKER_01: And sometimes that means the breakdown of a relationship or the ending of a career or a health crisis they can go through.
12:13
SPEAKER_01: And my job is to just give them awareness, it's like a light shower, you know, to keep them motivated and inspired to keep moving in that direction of alignment.
12:22
SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, very grateful for the work I do and the people that I meet.
12:26
SPEAKER_01: And um, yeah, yeah.
12:28
SPEAKER_04: Luke, I have to say that just where how you brought us through all of that, like the whole progression from the little boy, which I think for me was unexpected, that that came out as well.
12:38
SPEAKER_04: And I love that anytime we interview and something comes out that's you know, that it is unexpected, but that almost like the little frightened boy who's afraid of death, you know, the curiosity, then that, you know, that thirst for curiosity, that thirst for knowledge and making sense of things, and the fact that both of them now, for people in the world who are trying to make sense of the chaos or navigate through all of the chaos, you are the way shower for that.
13:03
SPEAKER_04: Standing in that gap between the old and the new, or just helping people navigate, your whole life has led to this point, uh, you know, to be this person.
13:11
SPEAKER_04: So of course it makes sense.
13:12
SPEAKER_04: And Liz and I always talk offline about how every guest we have on the podcast, this is why we're fascinated by their journeys, because every little point in their life leads them, like there's this thread that brings them through to say, this is your purpose, this is what you're supposed to be doing.
13:29
SPEAKER_04: And I know for so many people right now looking to astrology, whether it's the big predictions or what it means for themselves, that is so important.
13:38
SPEAKER_04: So the fact that you're able to, you know, you've lived it in your own life, but also you're you're helping others come through that.
13:44
SPEAKER_04: I find how you describe that just fascinating because we haven't had anyone share their awakening experience that came off the back of a conspiracy theory, like as an that that awakening side for me.
13:57
SPEAKER_04: So I'd love to dig into just that just a little bit, insofar as I, you know, I I follow your stuff.
14:04
SPEAKER_04: So I know that there's like, I mean, I I don't consider it conspiracy theories, but it's like for some people it is.
14:11
SPEAKER_04: But it is when you start to hear some of those conspiracy theories or so-called conspiracy theories, it's like, oh, there's a grain of truth in that.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh, there's a couple of grains of truth, or I can no longer look away from it to the point where you end up with that's you know, instead of mainstream media, that becomes your feed, and that's what you're tuning into a little bit more, and that's helping you, you know, I guess have a little bit of discernment about where you're going in your life and how you're navigating through.
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SPEAKER_04: But if you can touch on just about conspiracy theories in general, like as and from that very first point, I'm were you a conspiracy theorist in any way before that 9-11 video that was sent to you?
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SPEAKER_04: And where did you go from there?
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SPEAKER_04: Where are you today on that so-called conspiracy?
14:54
SPEAKER_04: Good question, Diane.
14:55
SPEAKER_04: Sorry, there was a lot in that.
14:57
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's fine.
14:58
SPEAKER_01: No, I get it.
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SPEAKER_01: So I always say to people, um, because it's such a big component of an awakening journey, is to start to question all of the conditioned beliefs that you and why do I believe this?
15:08
SPEAKER_01: And what was the education that led me to believe that, or the indoctrination, if you don't want to look at it like that.
15:14
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I always say to people that get stuck in those little rabbit holes, is that if conspiracy doesn't lead you to spirituality, then you're doing it wrong.
15:24
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_01: It should lead you to a place of understanding of like, okay, now I get it why there is conspiracy.
15:32
SPEAKER_01: Right.
15:32
SPEAKER_01: And and in fact, really what happens paradoxically is that the conspiracy is the world they're presenting to us.
15:38
SPEAKER_01: That's the conspiracy.
15:40
SPEAKER_01: Right.
15:40
SPEAKER_01: So the media and the government, and the you know, the way in which this world is presented to us, the story, the narrative, the matrix, if you like, that's the conspiracy.
15:47
SPEAKER_01: And anything counter to that is a search for truth, a search for real meaning and understanding.
15:53
SPEAKER_01: But it's just been flipped to sort of make out that that's the conspiracy, because then easily then the people that are stuck within that mindset have a bad person they can point to, and they can just label you're a conspiracy theorist, and people all of a sudden shut down and don't consider anything that you've got to say.
16:10
SPEAKER_01: Now, that was the case back in 2012 through 2016.
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SPEAKER_01: It was a big uh point of contention in 2020 when people were you know going, hang on a second, what's going on here?
16:21
SPEAKER_01: But I think now there's a healthy understanding through a lot of the mainstream, even though it maybe not publicized, of people to go, yeah, hang on a second.
16:30
SPEAKER_01: We're being lied to about lots of things.
16:33
SPEAKER_01: Once you once you discover the first lie for yourself, like in other words, something that you believe to be true that you find out later was manipulated or you know it was propaganda or something like that.
16:44
SPEAKER_01: Once you find the main first one for yourself, then you then it's easy to go, okay, well, why A, they they telling me that, and B, what else are they not telling me the truth about?
16:55
SPEAKER_01: And that creates the thread that you just then you're curious and you want to know more.
16:59
SPEAKER_01: So I started with 9-11 because that was what was happening at the time, and it was really um on the internet between 2012 and 2016, there was no censorship, especially on YouTube.
17:09
SPEAKER_01: There was so much good content and there was zero censorship, so you could pretty much say whatever you wanted.
17:13
SPEAKER_01: Um, and you had to work through all the minefields of some of the stuff that was a bit far out.
17:19
SPEAKER_01: Um, and you know, it gets you then questioning from 9-11, okay, what else are they lying at?
17:24
SPEAKER_01: You start look at all of the main events that have happened, and you go back in history, and pretty much from 9-11 to the moon landing is an easy arc to make it I was just gonna say the moon landing, yes, yes, it's an easy arc to make, and then once you start understanding and looking all of the um uh propaganda around that event, you just think there is like there is absolutely no way that we landed on the moon, and then you go, okay, well, why would they lie?
17:50
SPEAKER_01: What are they why would they lie?
17:52
SPEAKER_01: What's that's my drive to the conspiracies?
17:54
SPEAKER_01: Why, yes, what are they hiding from us?
17:57
SPEAKER_04: And that is the hardest thing for people to uh to to get to that point because it is they, they, they, well, who are they, and why would they do this?
18:05
SPEAKER_04: And to get over that hurdle is so how is there have you or what is your current thinking on that?
18:12
SPEAKER_04: Is there something you can share with us on the why?
18:17
SPEAKER_01: I get often because when you say like they they lie and they do this, and people always go, who are they?
18:23
SPEAKER_01: Like they want to know like who is the person.
18:25
SPEAKER_01: I think it's a uh a secret group of um probably initiated people, high-up initiated people through certain mystery schools, um, secret societies and things like that, that have infiltrated into the bureaucracy, the government, the corporations, the media, Hollywood, and all the different sport, everything.
18:44
SPEAKER_01: And they have a different language that they communicate with, they have different um you know, view on reality and humanity and everything.
18:52
SPEAKER_01: And I think that there is like not an orchestration, but at least like a shared um uh like a agenda, perhaps, to continue the story, right?
19:06
SPEAKER_01: Whatever the story is.
19:07
SPEAKER_01: Because if you can control the story, you can control people's perception of reality, and then you can control their belief system.
19:14
SPEAKER_01: And then if you can control someone's belief system, you control the reality.
19:18
SPEAKER_01: So if they can collectively control a mass group of people what they believe, and what they've conditioned them to believe is false, then they really are in a position of God because they control how reality works for the most of the people.
19:32
SPEAKER_01: And I think that's at the core of it.
19:33
SPEAKER_01: Um, is that it's just they maintain a level of control over consciousness, over humanity, and that allows them to benefit in for what purposes and who and why and all those.
19:45
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
19:45
SPEAKER_01: I don't know their motivations.
19:47
SPEAKER_01: Like, is it dark, is it nefarious, is it just self-serving, is it satanic, is it greed, is it just empowerment, or is it for the betterment, like you know, because there's another angle you could say that the matrix is is a womb and that it's a womb of consciousness, and that you're infantile in that womb once you're um attached to the matrix, and as you awaken out of the matrix, you're going to birth into your you know true authentic self or your sovereign self.
20:12
SPEAKER_01: And I think that they don't want the whole masses going through that process.
20:17
SPEAKER_01: Yes, they benefit from us staying in that matrix.
20:20
SPEAKER_01: Um, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
20:23
SPEAKER_01: This is a philosophical question that we could base.
20:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's no real answer to that.
20:28
SPEAKER_04: We'll put on a fire and uh drink some Horlicks and chat that one out forever.
20:33
SPEAKER_01: But there's levels to this, and you sort of, if you come across people that haven't exposed themselves to this, you ought to be very gentle and careful because you can fracture their reality and it's not helpful for them.
20:44
SPEAKER_01: They can really have a like psychotic episode.
20:47
SPEAKER_01: So people sort of you ought to wake people up.
20:49
SPEAKER_01: It's like, no, people will wake up when they're ready to wake up.
20:52
SPEAKER_01: Um, and what my job is to be there for those that do, and then you know, like I get to speak out and say my point of view and perspective, and some people resonate with it and other people don't, and that's fine.
21:02
SPEAKER_01: Um, but when genuinely the soul is ready to awaken, there'll be circumstances in their life that allow that process to happen.
21:10
SPEAKER_01: Um some some souls I believe aren't here to go through that process, they're just here to live without the conditioned reality.
21:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
21:18
SPEAKER_01: They find safety in their consciousness at that level of conditioning.
21:22
SPEAKER_03: So wow.
21:25
SPEAKER_03: I mean, you've got my mind ticking over here.
21:27
SPEAKER_03: I I go down these rabbit holes for sure.
21:31
SPEAKER_03: And I know that sometimes it definitely brings fear up in me, but I it but it I've got so much truth from a lot of the videos I watch and stuff.
21:39
SPEAKER_03: For anyone listening right now that's kind of sat like me, nodding their head, and maybe they're even earlier on in the journey where they've started to be really curious and started to watch these types of videos, and they're in that awakening stage at the very beginning.
21:54
SPEAKER_03: Do you have any advice for those people?
21:57
SPEAKER_03: Because it of we know it gets tricky.
21:59
SPEAKER_03: You've Through your dark night of the soul.
22:02
SPEAKER_03: I know that Diane and I've hired have had a few.
22:04
SPEAKER_03: And it's so hard, you know.
22:06
SPEAKER_03: We don't want to make it out to be doom and gloom.
22:08
SPEAKER_03: By the way, this is only going to get harder, but what do you say to those people?
22:13
SPEAKER_01: Be gentle, go slow, um, meditate, learn to meditate, and detoxify.
22:19
SPEAKER_01: And I don't mean detoxify like from your body, absolutely, that's part of the process, detoxifying, but detoxify from negativity, from things in your reality that are harmful, that are not helpful, for patterns of behavior and things like that.
22:34
SPEAKER_01: And um then, you know, as you do, you'll naturally as you start to detach from those things, you'll your consciousness will naturally start to expand.
22:44
SPEAKER_01: And as it does, you'll start to be hungry for information and meaning.
22:48
SPEAKER_01: And um, I would say that you go where you're drawn to go.
22:52
SPEAKER_01: And if something this is one thing that's really helpful, is that if you're if someone's telling you something and you're responding from that like doesn't feel right for me, then it's not, it's definitely not right.
23:05
SPEAKER_01: Doesn't matter how convincing the person is or what information they're saying to you, if for some reason internally you go, That doesn't sit well with me, listen to that rather than what the information is.
23:16
SPEAKER_01: Um, because there is a lot of stuff out there we call it psychological operation, so um controlled opposition.
23:24
SPEAKER_01: So they they infiltrate into this um a space, this is conspiracy space or truth space, and they put like red herrings and honey, honey traps and things like that for people to be drawn to only to be like, hang on a second.
23:39
SPEAKER_01: So you've got to have discernment.
23:41
SPEAKER_01: Um and yeah, if you if you're uh backing up your need for understanding and meaning and knowledge with some just basic simple practices around your own energy um and its its cleanliness, if you like, um then it'll just be a natural, easy process.
24:00
SPEAKER_01: Now, what can happen is you'll start to come into conflict into your life with the parts of your life that were built by the old self that that is not aligned to the new self.
24:14
SPEAKER_01: Because really what's happening is if you're going through this process, you're going to start awakening and try to find an alignment to your more deeply authentic true self.
24:24
SPEAKER_01: But up until that point, the old self built a life for them, and uh you might come into conflict with a part of that life that's no longer aligned, and that can be quite challenging because there can be this expanded consciousness and awareness of this future ideal self or who you truly want to be, but then the reality you're living in, you have to be this person because I've got this job and that's what I've got to do.
24:47
SPEAKER_01: So, what can happen in that situation is you can fracture and end up stuck between the two worlds.
24:52
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
24:53
SPEAKER_01: You're living physically in this reality, and that that's the who you are, but you're trying to be this next version, and that's who you really want to be.
25:00
SPEAKER_01: And that tension can cause a lot of conflict.
25:04
SPEAKER_01: And um, yeah, that's it, that's a challenging place to be.
25:07
SPEAKER_01: And what I'd say for that is that you reach out for support.
25:10
SPEAKER_01: Um, and you probably won't find the support in that process from your existing reality and those people within it.
25:17
SPEAKER_01: You need to inside to someone that's neutral that can give you that guidance.
25:22
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, or someone who's walked that path in some way beforehand.
25:26
SPEAKER_04: And I think what you're talking about there, like, you know, even just all of the practices and everything.
25:32
SPEAKER_04: Um, I I think it's a good point to dip back into the astrology and your astrological chart, because that being like rather than getting hung up in let's not go to predictions just yet, but like, you know, instead of getting hung up on what's going on in a global, you know, nature, then you know, what is my chart saying?
25:50
SPEAKER_04: What guidance can I gain from that?
25:52
SPEAKER_04: And again, go with what resonates for you.
25:53
SPEAKER_04: But if you can touch on that, just how astrology might be used as a tool for people right now who are feeling either either they're going through a spiritual awakening or that they are just starting to, you know, question reality as as they know it, whether they call it awakening or not, those early stages.
26:11
SPEAKER_04: What can you talk to us a little bit about how astrology can be, you know, a helpful tool in that way?
26:17
SPEAKER_01: So I look at your birth chart as your soul's blueprint, and it's like a map.
26:22
SPEAKER_01: So you have a map, but you're not your map, right?
26:25
SPEAKER_01: Your map is a depiction of the terrain, and you are the terrain, right?
26:29
SPEAKER_01: In this case, your life is a journey.
26:32
SPEAKER_01: And sometimes on our life journey, we get lost and we get uncertain and we don't know anymore.
26:37
SPEAKER_01: And we're starting to really go, I don't know who I am and what I'm doing.
26:40
SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure, and I'm all these things are going on.
26:42
SPEAKER_01: And that's the time that if you were on an actual journey, that you'd pull the map out and have a look, wouldn't you?
26:47
SPEAKER_01: So that's how I use astrology is like that's your map.
26:50
SPEAKER_01: Let's look at it.
26:50
SPEAKER_01: We're not trying, I'm not trying to fit you into the chart.
26:53
SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to use the chart to help understand where you're at.
26:55
SPEAKER_01: And then when you when you get that awareness, it's like a it's like having that reassurance, you know, and that sort of confirmation.
27:03
SPEAKER_01: And uh the chart can reflect all different aspects of yourself and your nature and your characteristic personality, but also different aspects of your life and where in your life you might be coming in to sort of challenge or conflict with certain things, and then how to navigate that, what it might mean.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then we can even go deeper and look at the timing of things as well.
27:22
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, the likely time frame for things that may occur.
27:26
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then give people the empowerment to say, okay, well, I've now got the awareness.
27:30
SPEAKER_01: It's almost like the light goes on again, and now the path ahead I can see because of the light shining on it.
27:36
SPEAKER_01: Now they still have to walk the path, right?
27:39
SPEAKER_01: So astrology isn't gonna give them um the the experience, it's just gonna shine a light, and they have to be the one that walks down that path, right?
27:49
SPEAKER_01: So when they say you've got to do the work, you hear people say, You've got to do the work, gotta do the work.
27:54
SPEAKER_01: Yes, the work is not ayahuasca, it's not astrology, yeah, it's not getting exactly that's the light, that's the awareness, and the work is go live your life now.
28:03
SPEAKER_04: Yes, go live your life bring it into reality.
28:06
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
28:06
SPEAKER_01: But astrology can show up where there's a karmic loop pattern or a cycle that needs to be broken, and why you keep ending up in this situation, you know, and then we can trace it back and we can look at the conditioning that you know triggered that or that supported that pattern.
28:20
SPEAKER_01: And um, I look at karmic patterns as not like you've been bad and you're paying the price.
28:24
SPEAKER_01: Karmic patterns is there's a pattern of behavior which co-creates a particular experience, and that experience then feeds back into the same pattern of behavior.
28:32
SPEAKER_01: So what goes around comes around.
28:35
SPEAKER_01: So that's the law of the equivalent exchange.
28:37
SPEAKER_01: I do this here, I get that there.
28:39
SPEAKER_01: Most karmic patterns, when we're having challenges, we're unconscious of our contribution to that experience.
28:45
SPEAKER_01: So astrology can highlight the pattern in a way that you go, so really it's me.
28:50
SPEAKER_01: And it's like, yeah, now not consciously you're doing this, it's an unconscious pattern.
28:55
SPEAKER_01: So you become consciously aware of it, and then the work is change your behavior.
29:00
SPEAKER_01: Don't keep doing the same behavior.
29:02
SPEAKER_01: If you keep doing the same thing, you'll keep getting the same thing.
29:05
SPEAKER_01: And when you do something different, firstly, it's unfamiliar and it's uncomfortable, it's outside of the norm.
29:11
SPEAKER_01: So it's a little bit like, oh.
29:13
SPEAKER_01: But what happens is then it doesn't feed into that reality anymore.
29:16
SPEAKER_01: And all of a sudden, you resolve that cycle.
29:18
SPEAKER_01: And when you do, you realize, oh wow, like I don't have to deal with that challenge anymore or that repeated pattern because I made a change.
29:26
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I believe that our physical life has the right stress and tension on the soul energetically to create rapid evolution in our soul's journey.
29:37
SPEAKER_01: Outside of the physical form, there isn't the same stress and tension on the soul.
29:42
SPEAKER_01: So the soul being pure energy, so the evolution of a soul that's not embodied can take thousands of years.
29:49
SPEAKER_01: Whereas in one lifetime, a person can come into certain experiences in a life in one life and go from wherever they are to enlightenment.
29:58
SPEAKER_01: Like it can be obtained, it's a challenging, difficult path, not meant for most.
30:03
SPEAKER_01: But if one set about doing so, you could, in one lifetime, reach enlightenment.
30:09
SPEAKER_01: So that's what I think really the meaning of life is is that we're here to evolve our soul's experiences.
30:16
SPEAKER_01: And that as we do evolve, we become into more alignment to purpose and fulfillment, contentment, and love and joy and it's all those experiences.
30:25
SPEAKER_01: There is the shadow side as well, and that's part of the natural world.
30:28
SPEAKER_01: Um, and that's one thing that we have to accept when we're in the physical form, is that there is limitations to life here.
30:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there are some things that we can't do in the physical body.
30:38
SPEAKER_01: Um, so you know, we've got to abide by those physical laws in a way and live within the means of them.
30:44
SPEAKER_03: So I'm interested.
30:45
SPEAKER_03: Looking back now, um, now you know astrology, can you actually track your awakening or any of those major life pivots written into your chart?
30:56
SPEAKER_01: 100%.
30:56
SPEAKER_01: Actually, I just spoke on this last night on a story because someone had asked.
31:00
SPEAKER_01: And retrospectively, astrology is such a useful tool once you use because you go back at a certain key event and you go, what was happening astrologically for me?
31:11
SPEAKER_01: Now, I want to stress that astrology doesn't cause anything, it times it's like a clock, right?
31:16
SPEAKER_01: The clock isn't time, it just tells us the time.
31:19
SPEAKER_01: That's the cosmic clock, all right.
31:21
SPEAKER_01: So it tells us cosmic time.
31:23
SPEAKER_01: And um, when we go back, we can look at the cycles of time, we can look at planetary alignments or activations and go, oh, that's what was happening.
31:30
SPEAKER_01: So for anyone past in their 30s and 40s, 50s, and they look back, go back to between 28 and 30, and you were going through your Saturn return guarantee.
31:41
SPEAKER_01: Around that time, there was this need to stand up and take responsibility.
31:45
SPEAKER_01: Uh, a lot of people settle at that point, they settle into a relationship or have a baby or buy a house or settle down.
31:51
SPEAKER_01: So it's a lot, it's a lot of the themes associated with that saturn return energy.
31:56
SPEAKER_01: So for me personally, I went back to that straight away and was like, oh, that made sense why I did those things at that time.
32:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but my spiritual awakening happened or began to happen in 2012 when the planet Neptune, right, which rules over spirituality and it's a natural ruler of Pisces, it moved into Pisces.
32:15
SPEAKER_01: And as Neptune moved into Pisces in 2012, it made an opposition to my son.
32:19
SPEAKER_01: I'm a Virgo, about one degree of Virgo.
32:22
SPEAKER_01: So in 2012 and 2013 was the beginning of the activation of Neptune opposing my son.
32:28
SPEAKER_01: So an opposition creates a moment of challenge, and Neptune dissolves things, all right.
32:35
SPEAKER_01: So what it did is it dissolved my grip on my identity that I'd become, because it needed to, because I'd become someone that I was what I thought I was supposed to be, looking for outside validation recognition, looking for this little boy that was lost to feel good about himself, you know.
32:51
SPEAKER_01: So that's who I'd become.
32:52
SPEAKER_01: And then Neptune comes in, and it this quality, the spiritualizing, dissolving type quality that connects us to all is the oneness, right?
33:00
SPEAKER_01: Neptune and Pisces is about um consciousness as oneness, right?
33:05
SPEAKER_01: Experience, like there's no boundaries energetically, people that have a lot of Neptune or Pisces energy ultra sensitive to other people's emotions, feelings, energy in general, um, and naturally, usually psychically aware.
33:18
SPEAKER_01: So this was happening to my son at that time, and it's a slow process.
33:22
SPEAKER_01: So it really triggered in 2012, but it took till 2016 to go right through this time period, and that was interesting.
33:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, it was it was quite profound to go back retrospectively because it was through my awakening and beyond that I really got deep into this, and then you know, that was however many years ago.
33:44
SPEAKER_01: I'm still learning about myself through my chart, I'm still looking and I'm still doing the work.
33:49
SPEAKER_01: And then in other words, I'm still living in life and making mistakes and fucking up and being a human.
33:54
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
33:54
SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
33:55
SPEAKER_01: And that's what it's about.
33:57
SPEAKER_01: Like, oh, you must be like living life in a moment and all the time.
34:00
SPEAKER_01: And it's like, no, I'm I'm human.
34:01
SPEAKER_01: So I still have a chart, and you know, there's a saying those that can't do teach, all right?
34:06
SPEAKER_01: So I'm good at helping you, you know.
34:11
SPEAKER_00: So I'm I'm I'm a work in progress.
34:14
SPEAKER_04: Can you tie in then?
34:16
SPEAKER_04: So I know um I guess uh I know this, but I'll get you to um explain this because I don't even understand it completely myself.
34:24
SPEAKER_04: But from what I understand, you're an evolutionary um um astrologist, but also because you do the past life regression.
34:32
SPEAKER_04: So if you can explain that, I'm gonna say where where my head is at on this, it's it's almost like, okay, you're going to have multiple soldier, like as in you'll have multiple lifetimes, but you're, you know, in each one of those because your astrological chart is based on when you when you give birth, or not when you give birth, when you have your first breath.
34:51
SPEAKER_04: But that so then you get that astrology chart.
34:53
SPEAKER_04: But if you come back for another lifetime, you've probably got another chart for that one.
34:57
SPEAKER_04: But uh, how do you tie or um what was it, I guess, that brought those two worlds together for you, that their you know, past life regression plus that evolutionary um astrology?
35:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so um my coming to my understanding of like what we're doing here and breaking down my fear of death made me realize that you know, we're a soul having a human experience.
35:21
SPEAKER_01: Um we don't um have a soul, we are a soul, our soul has a body, and I call that body Luke.
35:29
SPEAKER_01: Um so therefore, if the soul is energy or consciousness and energy can't be destroyed nor created, it can only transform or transfer, then you don't die.
35:38
SPEAKER_01: Your body does, but you don't die.
35:40
SPEAKER_01: And when you look at a chart, you can look at certain aspects of a chart that connect to experiences that you've been through in the lifetime before this one as a soul, like what type of experiences.
35:51
SPEAKER_01: And there can be sort of imprints that are left.
35:53
SPEAKER_01: So look at the soul as like energy, and any experience that you go through leaves an imprint or impression on that soul.
35:59
SPEAKER_01: So in this life and every other lifetime, your soul's uh frequency has been imprinted in a way to create this unique expression when it comes into the physical form.
36:09
SPEAKER_01: So um, if we think then of the soul being energy is like a key, and the universe is like a giant lock.
36:17
SPEAKER_01: So every now and then there's a fit.
36:19
SPEAKER_01: So if you look at the birth chart from the moment that you came into this, we can say energetically your soul matches the cosmos, and it's correlating at that time.
36:28
SPEAKER_01: You're a match to that.
36:30
SPEAKER_01: That's why you you can come here at this time.
36:32
SPEAKER_01: So then we can look at that imprint and we can say, right, well, what is this soul's journey?
36:36
SPEAKER_01: What's it about?
36:37
SPEAKER_01: What's this life about?
36:38
SPEAKER_01: Human perspective of like identity and characteristics and personality and life experience, absolutely, but overarching the soul came with an intention and a mission, and we can look at the chart to understand those.
36:49
SPEAKER_01: So that's the first thing with evolutionary astrology.
36:52
SPEAKER_01: The foundational belief that I have that underpins all of my practice is that we're a soul first and having a hidden experience.
37:00
SPEAKER_01: Um, so then um 2019, um, before COVID, I found a guy online in America, his name's Q Reeves, and um, he's a past life regression therapist, subconscious specialist, his subconscious communication.
37:13
SPEAKER_01: And he was just talking in his car on the way to work, and he was Uber driving and this, and he was doing those things as he was trying to build up his business and things.
37:21
SPEAKER_01: And it just resonated with me.
37:23
SPEAKER_01: And he started talking about like past life regression therapy and the subconscious and all of those things.
37:28
SPEAKER_01: And I know I was looking at the astrology and then looking to certain things within people's charts and going, Oh, I wonder what type of experience this could have connected to in other lifetimes.
37:38
SPEAKER_01: So in 2020, when we went into lockdown, I actually trained as a past life regression therapist because I was really inspired.
37:44
SPEAKER_01: And um, sometimes with my client work, we'll have certain things that happen in this life that there is no conscious understanding of what could have triggered that or represented that or allowed that to occur.
37:57
SPEAKER_01: And sometimes that's because the experience was actually brought forward from another lifetime.
38:02
SPEAKER_01: And um, with my past life regression therapy, what I want to do is I want to go back into lifetimes and we can understand the experiences and put it into context to this life and say, okay, now how do we marry those two?
38:16
SPEAKER_01: Because there's an experience that's repeated, and here we are.
38:19
SPEAKER_01: What is the meaning and what's the message?
38:21
SPEAKER_01: What are you really learning?
38:22
SPEAKER_01: So the past life regression therapy sort of supplements the astrology.
38:26
SPEAKER_01: Not for everyone, it's not necessary, but for some people, there are certain things that are really blocked unconsciously, and a lot of the time it's like we just go back into the past lives, and we can find profound understandings and stories and threads and happened.
38:41
SPEAKER_01: The other thing you can do is you've had an experience in other lifetimes with other souls, and it's funny, like how they show up in this lifetime.
38:48
SPEAKER_01: And through the process, we can ask the the soul, is there anyone from that lifetime that's in this lifetime?
38:56
SPEAKER_01: And quite often it's like, Oh, yeah, that person is now my father, or that person is now my husband, or you know, and it's phenomenal.
39:04
SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, it just it just helps to build another layer here of understanding and meaning from a perspective from a soul level, um, and give people that sort of really objective perspective of life so that they can overlay that into the human side of things.
39:18
SPEAKER_01: And again, it doesn't make the work any easier, it just gives the awareness to it and um the confidence or reassurance that actually you can make a change, you don't have to keep doing this, you know, and you can resolve then deep embedded past life patterns and um habits and karmic sort of traits, and um, that's the real work there, you know.
39:39
SPEAKER_01: That's when you're doing that sort of deep healing in that sense, too, and overcoming those really ingrained past life patterns, that's all ancestral healing.
39:48
SPEAKER_01: And um the the North American um Native Americans they will say that that when you heal like at that level, you're healing seven generations back, yes, generations ahead.
39:59
SPEAKER_01: You know, so you really got then all of your spirit team and everyone like going, yes, because new souls coming into that lineage, right, don't have to experience those same patterns anymore because you became the pattern breaker.
40:12
SPEAKER_03: You're just do the work, everyone.
40:14
SPEAKER_03: You've heard it here first, get that chart done and pass lives.
40:17
SPEAKER_03: Oh god, it's all so interesting, isn't it?
40:20
SPEAKER_03: And I feel like anybody that is just in a live spiritually, this is the type of stuff that you love to do.
40:28
SPEAKER_03: I know that Diane and I love this type of stuff, it's just so interesting.
40:32
SPEAKER_03: And we've talked about kind of going backwards.
40:34
SPEAKER_03: Let's talk about moving forwards.
40:37
SPEAKER_03: If you look collectively at the energy of the world, because it is a bit crazy, isn't it, at the moment?
40:43
SPEAKER_03: I think it's been crazy for a while.
40:46
SPEAKER_03: Are you seeing any types of themes for humanity as we're moving forward, even this year or beyond?
40:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so this year in particular is what where I feel like we're gonna go into collapse cycle, right?
41:00
SPEAKER_01: So a collapse cycle um in relation to the type of reality we've been living, um, you know, that we just go along as we are, and this is how we're gonna live on this earth.
41:12
SPEAKER_01: Um, so collapse, perhaps economic, political, a lot of the systems that we've become dependent on that are no longer supporting the evolution of consciousness of humanity will start to break down and collapse.
41:24
SPEAKER_01: So there may be a shock event coming soon that begins that process.
41:28
SPEAKER_01: I think that February, March is a really peak period where we could see a real like startling shock world event type thing.
41:36
SPEAKER_01: Um, not a COVID, um, nothing like that, but like September 11th type event.
41:43
SPEAKER_01: And I think that people realistically need to re-evaluate priorities this year and come back to the very basic needs.
41:51
SPEAKER_01: So, yes, you know, what what's gonna happen in February is Saturn-Neptune conjunction in Aries, and what can happen as a result of that is it's the collapse of the dream, the illusion, or the fantasy in the future.
42:05
SPEAKER_01: And what we've been conditioned since COVID was that if we all did certain things, we could go back to normal, right?
42:10
SPEAKER_01: We're just gonna go back to normal, go back to normal, back to normal.
42:13
SPEAKER_01: I feel like that's a passive lie.
42:15
SPEAKER_01: There was never going back to normal, it was just basically kicking the can down the road.
42:19
SPEAKER_01: Since the GFC and then COVID and the economic system, we're getting to the point where they can't kick it anymore down the road.
42:27
SPEAKER_01: Um, the fiat money system has a life cycle, and we're getting to the end of that.
42:32
SPEAKER_01: And uh then I look at a lot of economists, geopolitical analysts, journalists, and um uh billionaires.
42:39
SPEAKER_01: Why billionaires?
42:41
SPEAKER_01: Because billionaires use astrology, millionaires don't.
42:43
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
42:46
SPEAKER_01: I see what they're saying, I see what they're doing, and I see what they're preparing for.
42:50
SPEAKER_01: So I take that and then I look to the sky and I say, well, what type of astrological alignments could support what they're predicting and what they're suggesting and what their actions are showing me, which is they're preparing for collapse.
43:02
SPEAKER_01: And uh yeah, I look at the Saturn-Neptune conjunction, and it could be the end of the illusion in the fact that we can just go back to normal, and that's just the way life's gonna be.
43:10
SPEAKER_01: Now, coinciding with that is most likely going to be an exponential cracking of consciousness of humanity and what mass awakening.
43:18
SPEAKER_01: And people might be thinking that's awesome, but that could be quite chaotic because if you go back to your own life and went you went through your awakening, it wasn't like you wouldn't witch it on anyone.
43:32
SPEAKER_01: You actually go into an existential facus of what the hell, like what is the meaning of what's the purpose.
43:37
SPEAKER_01: So, what you may find is you might find a lot of people not being able to actually reconcile that collapse and be freaking out.
43:46
SPEAKER_01: Um, you may have um a significant loss of life force or people losing the will to live, right?
43:54
SPEAKER_01: Whereas because the the they'll get this like what's the point type thing.
43:58
SPEAKER_01: Um so The counter to that is that everyone that's from 20, 2001, 2012, 2020, these exponential mass awakenings that's happening, that's your initiation.
44:11
SPEAKER_01: You've been initiated.
44:12
SPEAKER_01: Why?
44:13
SPEAKER_01: Because now you've got to be ready to stand up into your sovereign leadership in your community, in your reality, in your family, your friends, and the world at large.
44:22
SPEAKER_01: Like you have to step into that power to hold that space for the people that are going, what the fuck's going on with the world?
44:30
unknown: Yeah.
44:30
SPEAKER_01: I don't know anymore.
44:31
SPEAKER_01: You know?
44:32
SPEAKER_01: And you don't have to go out there and change the world and protest in the street.
44:36
SPEAKER_01: You just have to be a leader in your own life.
44:39
SPEAKER_01: Because those that can stand firm and stand in their confidence and say it's okay, like let it go.
44:46
SPEAKER_01: Like it doesn't matter anyway at the end of the day.
44:48
SPEAKER_01: All these things that we've been conditioned to detach to and think that that's what matters are actually detrimental to us, right?
44:55
SPEAKER_01: So as we have to probably shockingly release and let go of them, perhaps economically, right?
45:01
SPEAKER_01: They have a bit of a collapse in a stock market or banking collapse and things like that.
45:06
SPEAKER_01: People are going to go, like, look, I don't have the hope in the future anymore.
45:10
SPEAKER_01: It's like, and it's like we have to say, it's okay, let it go.
45:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
45:14
SPEAKER_01: It's okay.
45:14
SPEAKER_01: Have can you breathe?
45:15
SPEAKER_01: Have you got food?
45:16
SPEAKER_01: Have you got a roof over your head?
45:17
SPEAKER_01: You'll be okay, brother, sister.
45:19
SPEAKER_01: We've we've got this.
45:20
SPEAKER_01: Like, like, let it go, let it go.
45:23
SPEAKER_01: Um, which is gonna cause the sort of rising of what's called like the spiritual warrior, which on the positive side of the Saturn Neptune conjunction, that's that's what it is about.
45:33
SPEAKER_01: It's the initiation of the sovereign spiritual warrior.
45:37
SPEAKER_01: And if you've gone through your awakening from 20 2001 till now, that was you you've been initiated to to this moment, like you are here for that purpose.
45:47
SPEAKER_01: And in your own way, in your own world, in your own community, you're gonna stand in that and stand confident, stand firm, stand sovereignly, you know, as a leader, so that those that are lost can go, it's okay.
46:01
SPEAKER_01: Right.
46:02
SPEAKER_01: They are the way showers, and that's you and me, and everyone like us.
46:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
46:07
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, like it you get this sort of like, oh, it's doom and gloom.
46:12
SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, not really, it's just the collapse of the eye, the illusion that life can just continue.
46:18
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, perspective, and all change is preceded by chaos, so it is that the collapse of the systems, and as you're saying that, and because I feel so much of it myself, and I could find, I know Liz mentioned it earlier.
46:30
SPEAKER_04: Sometimes we go down these rabbit holes and we find that like uh almost that sense of despair for humanity in that.
46:37
SPEAKER_04: And I this is gonna sound really corny, but the um Hamilton, the musical, there's a song on that that's you know, how lucky we are to be alive right now.
46:46
SPEAKER_04: And it's like, as souls, we have chosen to, in my opinion, you know, we've chosen to incarnate at this point in time.
46:54
SPEAKER_04: And if we can take that higher perspective of thinking, wow, to witness what is going on, the collapse of everything that's going on and the birth of something new, that melting pot for something new.
47:04
SPEAKER_04: Wow, that for me, and to imagine you mentioned about standing firm in if we can keep that neutral position, that place where we're neither on the left or the right, or the love or the hate, like as and really be able to just stand in that sovereignty, that is where I feel that sort of um positivity or that kind of you know rallying cry for humanity is at the moment.
47:26
SPEAKER_04: And you've you've articulated it so beautifully there with what you're saying, plus the fact that knowing, okay, your chart, your, you know, there are tools available to you, you can look to yourself.
47:38
SPEAKER_04: But it is, I think for a lot of us, it is looking to ourselves and that leadership role.
47:42
SPEAKER_04: And it might be only in your five-mile radius, it might only be in within your the four walls of your home.
47:48
SPEAKER_04: But rather than going out with a big placard or having to, you know, go to war or do any of these major things, because that is the puppetry, that is the the show that's being put on for humanity.
48:00
SPEAKER_04: And if you're going to become part of that, then you can't be part of the solution.
48:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I'll further add to that like avoid the extremes and um as Pluto moved into Aquarius in 2023, 2024, it was crossing that boundary, Capricorn Aquarius, it's now permanently in Aquarius till 2040, and then it will go in and out of Pisces and Aquarius till 2044.
48:22
SPEAKER_01: Um, there tends to be because Aquarius rules over the collective, right?
48:27
SPEAKER_01: Humanity, so groups of people at large, like the people, right?
48:30
SPEAKER_01: So um what Pluto can tend to do to create transformation is cause extreme polarization, right?
48:39
SPEAKER_01: So that's what you see a lot of around the world at the moment is division and polarization, and you have one side that's completely out on that side, and then you have the other side that's way over there.
48:51
SPEAKER_01: You avoid the extremes because extremes will tend to unify through conflict, they have to get to the break where they end up in conflict, and you don't want to be drawn into that, you know.
49:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and if there are some shocking things that are coming, then we have to accept that there's nothing we can do to change that, but we do have a sovereign choice of how we choose to respond.
49:13
SPEAKER_01: And if we're triggered and reactive and we're not mindful of how we are responding, we're feeding into that same polarity, extremism, and division.
49:21
SPEAKER_01: So we need to be standing firm and allowing that.
49:24
SPEAKER_01: So, my favorite song, we bring up songs and things like that, is um Peter Gabriel's Salisbury Hill.
49:30
SPEAKER_01: And that's it's such a beautiful song, and it's about a spiritual awakening, and in that he's like coming back into his life and wondering which connections to keep and which ones to cut.
49:42
SPEAKER_01: But in relation to the matrix, right?
49:45
SPEAKER_01: The beast, he he he's the his line in there is he walks right out of the machine.
49:51
SPEAKER_01: You walk out of the machine, you're just like that's I'm not in I'm not partaking in that.
49:55
SPEAKER_01: That's the machine doing its thing, you know.
49:58
SPEAKER_01: That's the whole propaganda matrix, whatever that is that they've created as a as a sort of a womb for consciousness.
50:05
SPEAKER_01: You walk out of that.
50:06
SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't participate in that, and you can choose a different way.
50:09
SPEAKER_01: You've got to be this or you've got to be that.
50:11
SPEAKER_01: Actually, I don't have to be either.
50:12
SPEAKER_01: I don't have to be on that let team or that team, I can be sovereign in the middle.
50:16
SPEAKER_01: And I think that depolarization is a rapid way to ascend consciously as well.
50:22
SPEAKER_01: Um, so that's to depolarize yourself and stay in that central place of observation, objectivity, and awareness.
50:30
SPEAKER_01: And if what's going on is causing a personal emotional reaction, then deal with that in your own little way.
50:37
SPEAKER_01: But if it's overwhelming you to the extent that I always tell people, become the cow in the paddock, because that reality that's overwhelming you is subjective, it's not real truth.
50:48
SPEAKER_01: And the reason why it's not real truth is because it doesn't exist for the cow, it doesn't exist at all.
50:53
SPEAKER_01: The cow's just so be the cow, just eat the grass and let it go.
50:58
SPEAKER_01: But if you're what's gonna happen and you're getting overwhelmed because of it, it's just a story.
51:04
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't have to be your story, right?
51:07
SPEAKER_01: So that's why reevaluating at the beginning of this year of your basic needs and just saying, like, can I look after myself?
51:13
SPEAKER_01: Have I got food on my table, water in my sink, and a roof over my head?
51:17
SPEAKER_01: Cool, great.
51:18
SPEAKER_01: I've I'm stable, I've got a good foundation, and then I have to re-evaluate my big dreams, hopes, wishes, and and ideals and say, okay, the world's probably gonna go through a significant shift.
51:28
SPEAKER_01: So I have to be able to adapt to that.
51:30
SPEAKER_01: And that's about what we do in the physical world with its limitations, is sometimes you just have to survive.
51:36
SPEAKER_01: That's what you need to do.
51:37
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that's a big tool to take through this year of you know how to navigate.
51:43
SPEAKER_01: Um, and hopefully there's a bit in that for people.
51:47
SPEAKER_03: Yes, my goodness, that was a little quite profound to listen to.
51:51
SPEAKER_03: I've got one really random last question for you here, Luke, because I'm just interested in your view.
51:56
SPEAKER_03: How does the whole AI thing plug into what's happening here?
52:00
SPEAKER_03: Because obviously that's rapidly growing.
52:03
SPEAKER_03: We're waiting for the big turn for IGI, is it?
52:06
SPEAKER_03: IGA, whatever you call it.
52:08
SPEAKER_03: Um how is the world going and and yeah, where does that take an effect?
52:13
SPEAKER_01: Man is created in the image of God, and man creates in the image of himself.
52:18
SPEAKER_01: So we create artificial, right?
52:22
SPEAKER_01: So it it's a very dangerous pathway to s to go down and never ends well for humanity.
52:29
SPEAKER_01: Um, because we're trying to create well, we're creating a god, but it that god doesn't have a soul.
52:35
SPEAKER_01: So then four, it can be uh manipulated, it can be controlled, it can have its own agenda, and um, it doesn't have it cannot and does not and will not ever have a soul.
52:48
SPEAKER_01: So it's an entity, okay?
52:51
SPEAKER_01: So the government is the same type of entity, if you want to think of it, because there's no person behind that, right?
52:58
SPEAKER_01: That's just a group of people, an organization, a bureaucracy, but it's it's it's an entity.
53:03
SPEAKER_01: Like, in other words, in other words, as an entity, it doesn't have a soul.
53:06
SPEAKER_01: If you've got all the different systems, the people that work in them sometimes they do, right?
53:12
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes they've solved their soul, but uh it's soulless.
53:16
SPEAKER_01: So AI is the same thing, it's it's artificial and it's soulless.
53:21
SPEAKER_01: It may be really smart, but doesn't have a heart, and it can't have a heart and it can't know what a heart is.
53:26
SPEAKER_01: And like the heart is at our center and it's an anagram for Earth.
53:30
SPEAKER_01: So when we create something on here that's artificial without a heart, we are destroying the sanctity of this realm.
53:38
SPEAKER_01: And it's a dangerous path to go down, very dangerous.
53:41
SPEAKER_01: So if that's why they've shown us in movies for the last 20, 30 years how bad it is for AI, right?
53:48
SPEAKER_01: Like they've they've tried to warn us and foreshadow us.
53:51
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's just entertainment.
53:53
SPEAKER_01: They're telling you, don't mess down that, don't go down that pathway.
53:56
SPEAKER_01: It never really ends well.
53:57
SPEAKER_01: So I don't uh I think it's a big part of the Pluto through Aquarius transit.
54:04
SPEAKER_01: And you know, there's arguments as to say that if we awakened, if humanity awakened, like fully awakened consciousness, and we moved collectively in the age of Aquarius, the age of knowing, the age of the Christ consciousness awakening each individual, then perhaps we could utilize it in some way that might be beneficial.
54:23
SPEAKER_01: However, if it's being operated from an unawakened consciousness and it's trapped within the Piscean uh age of consciousness, it's dangerous, dangerous place for people and for humanity.
54:37
SPEAKER_01: So I'd I'd tread lightly down that pathway.
54:40
SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah.
54:42
SPEAKER_03: Oh, thanks, Luke.
54:44
SPEAKER_03: My goodness.
54:45
SPEAKER_03: And I have to say, if you're not following Luke on Instagram, on his YouTube channel, we will put all of the links in the show notes because yeah, you I'm sure you're all kind of left with just so many more questions, Diana.
54:59
SPEAKER_03: Know that you've been following Luke for a while.
55:01
SPEAKER_04: I I know, and I have to say for anybody who's watching this on YouTube or seeing the video.
55:06
SPEAKER_04: So, Luke, you're your whiteboard behind you with your magnets.
55:09
SPEAKER_04: Like for me, because I'm a visual learner, I just find that every time you explain something with that, it's like, now I get it.
55:16
SPEAKER_04: So anybody if you're just because astrology is such a complex thing, um, but even just those simple things that if you do have your own chart or you're already into this, it just uh how you explain things, Luke, is so fantastic.
55:29
SPEAKER_04: I just find it really, really, really helpful.
55:32
SPEAKER_04: So, yes, um, definitely shout out, keep following Luke, keep and your YouTube as well, if you want the extended kind of uh look into things.
55:42
SPEAKER_01: I use the YouTube channel to um use astrology to understand reality across a big range of different areas of reality, and um therefore I I put up prediction videos on certain things, and you know, sometimes they're really accurate and useful and helpful, other times I'm I miss, but um, it's just to use like, can we use astrology to understand reality?
56:04
SPEAKER_01: And like I think I'm proving one video at a time on there that yes, we can use astrology to help understand reality, and it's not causing it, it's correlating.
56:12
SPEAKER_01: And I wanted to stress that it's a correlation over causation.
56:15
SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, what happens if we call it causation?
56:18
SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, people will just become a victim of the planets, so to speak.
56:22
SPEAKER_01: And what's the point?
56:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and all the blame, like, well, it's Saturn did it, it's not me, you know.
56:26
SPEAKER_01: So that's not the case.
56:28
SPEAKER_01: Um, it's correlating.
56:30
SPEAKER_01: So we still are a human and having a soul, and we have free will.
56:34
SPEAKER_01: We also have our fate, you know, it's like it's there's there's a combination of those two things.
56:40
SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, head over to my YouTube channel and uh you'll get a wide array of uh astrological perspectives, uh and you know, delivered in my very direct Sagittarian rising humorous way.
56:59
SPEAKER_03: I love it.
57:00
SPEAKER_03: What a conversation.
57:01
SPEAKER_03: Honestly, Luke, thank you so much for being here.
57:04
SPEAKER_03: It's just been really interesting.
57:06
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57:11
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57:18
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57:23
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57:27
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57:32
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57:33
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