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YouTube star makeup artist throws murdered infant boy & girl in trash? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Have you ever had that
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Speaker 1: dream that many of us do, where you find out
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Speaker 1: at the end of the quarter or semester that you've
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Speaker 1: been actually signed up for a class and you didn't
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Speaker 1: know about it and it's time for the exam. Similar
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Speaker 1: dreams happen all the time. Can you imagine this nightmare
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Speaker 1: that you have two children out there somewhere and you
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Speaker 1: don't know anything about it? Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at WPDE Speaking to Chris Metician. Chris Metician says
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Speaker 1: he thought he'd spend the rest of his life with
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Speaker 1: a listen Dave All. In fact, Dave All and her
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Speaker 1: two kids lived with him. They lived together for nearly
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Speaker 1: two years, and he tells us he never could have
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Speaker 1: expected this. That one day changed my entire life, a
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Speaker 1: life Chris Matitian thought would forever involve thirty year old
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Speaker 1: Alissa Dave Vault. But December eleventh, police knocked on the door.
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Speaker 1: One of the detectives pulled him aside. He was just like,
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Speaker 1: just you gotta keep your coal. You know, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: tell you some news. It's going to be a little
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Speaker 1: a little shocking. They told him his girlfriend of nearly
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Speaker 1: two years through her newborn baby in the trash container
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Speaker 1: outside their home, and a year earlier, police say she
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Speaker 1: threw another baby into a Cherry Grove dumpster. That doesn't
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Speaker 1: make sense, you know, Mike, what's your evidence? You know?
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Speaker 1: And then he told me, ay, she confessed, and then
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Speaker 1: I found out that there as there was a baby
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Speaker 1: in that garbage can right there. I can't even take
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Speaker 1: it in. The man is looking at a garbage can
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Speaker 1: and finding out his baby had been in that garbage can.
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Speaker 1: Take listen to more of what he Chrisma Titian tells
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Speaker 1: Aaron Edwards, when they told me that they found the
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Speaker 1: baby boy on our property and then the garbage can.
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Speaker 1: And then the hardest part is thinking about that baby
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Speaker 1: girl that no one knew of. I go over to
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Speaker 1: Cherry Grove Commons right every day and I drop a
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Speaker 1: flower right in front of the dumpster. I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: just so messed up. It's so messed up. A Titian
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Speaker 1: knew it was too late to give a burial for
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Speaker 1: the baby girl born in November twenty seventeen. Then now
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Speaker 1: my baby girl is sitting who knows where, I mean,
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Speaker 1: in the landfill, like next to garbage and trash. It's
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Speaker 1: just the worst, clearly in the world. He hoped he
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Speaker 1: would get to give his son a proper burial, but
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Speaker 1: he says Devil's family members didn't include him in the
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Speaker 1: memorial they already had. I wasn't invited to it. So
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Speaker 1: that hurts, not being able to see my baby boy
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Speaker 1: and his ashes get spread. I think it hurts. You're
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Speaker 1: hearing a heartbroken dad, Chris Matician father. I'm not one,
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Speaker 1: but two children, a boy and a girl, both dead,
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Speaker 1: both thrown away like trash, thrown away in the trash.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. Thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. There have
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Speaker 1: been times I've spoken to a jury and it took
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Speaker 1: every ounce of energy. I had to keep a straight face,
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Speaker 1: but the jury had to know the truth and could
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Speaker 1: not be turned away from the evidence, as harsh as
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Speaker 1: it can be. Sometimes. Why because we have to keep
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Speaker 1: our eye on the prize, and that prize is justice.
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Speaker 1: Justice for these two babies who suffered such a horrible
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Speaker 1: death and disposal, not a burial, a disposal with me
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Speaker 1: an all star panel to try to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know has happened. Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: anchor at Court TV at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Renowned
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Speaker 1: New York psychologist Karen Stark joining us from Manhattan. She
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Speaker 1: is at Karen with a see Karen Stark dot com.
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. Author of Blood Beneath My
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Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon and Starve a brand new series, Poisonous
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Speaker 1: Liaisons on the True Crime Network. Joseph Scott Morgan Levi Page,
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Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. First to you, levi Page,
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Speaker 1: Where is this happening? This is in North Mortal Beach,
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Speaker 1: South Carolina. And isn't it true? The mom of the
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Speaker 1: two children now found dead and disposed of thrown away
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Speaker 1: like trash. She's beautiful in fact, isn't she a famous
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Speaker 1: makeup artist? Yes, you're correct, And not only that, she's
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Speaker 1: a mother of two children, ages six and eight years old,
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Speaker 1: two living children in addition to the other two children.
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Speaker 1: So she's got a six year old little girl an
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Speaker 1: eight year old little girl, and they all lived together
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Speaker 1: with the bio dad of the dead children, Chris Matician,
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Speaker 1: and they've been living together for years. What he didn't
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Speaker 1: know she was pregnant. He did not know she was pregnant.
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Speaker 1: He said that because he snored a lot, it was
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Speaker 1: very loud. That they slept in separate bedrooms, and she
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Speaker 1: was able to conceal her pregnancy as well. Okay, just
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Speaker 1: so you leave I page. No, I know you're you're
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Speaker 1: not married, you don't have any children that I know of.
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Speaker 1: You don't just show your pregnant when you sleep. Okay.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, listen to what the boyfriend said.
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Speaker 1: When I first noticed she was gaining a little weight,
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Speaker 1: it was actually we went on a trip to Asheville,
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Speaker 1: North Carolina, just to see them, see the trees changing
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Speaker 1: color and stuff like that. We went through and fall.
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Speaker 1: So it was November twenty seventeen. That's when she had
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Speaker 1: my baby girl. Actually that that month. But at the
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Speaker 1: beginning of the month we went to like I said, Asheville.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I loved the lista. So it was like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: she didn't put on a few pounds, that's whatever, no
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Speaker 1: big deal. You know you don't. It's not something you
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Speaker 1: want to say, Hey, why are you gaining weight? You know?
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Speaker 1: So I never I never really did. And as a
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Speaker 1: matter of fact, the longtime lover Chrismatician isn't the only
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Speaker 1: one who noticed an unusual weight gain. Listen again, Her
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Speaker 1: mother actually said to her that she asked her if
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Speaker 1: she was pregnant, and then the Lissa came to me
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Speaker 1: and was like, I can't believe my mom disasked me
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Speaker 1: if I was pregnant. When her mom brought up that,
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Speaker 1: of course, her mom's very blunt, but she brought up
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Speaker 1: to a list of that she was gaining weight and
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Speaker 1: she asked her. She straight up after, while we're on
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Speaker 1: vacation if who she was pregnant? And then Alyssa came
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Speaker 1: to me and started crying and she was like, oh
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Speaker 1: my god, am I gaining that much weight? Since then,
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Speaker 1: I never really brought up the weight factor, but I
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Speaker 1: did notice it. You know, I definitely did notice it.
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Speaker 1: So that's a big no no. Karen, start, you never
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Speaker 1: should bring up what people have gained weight or have
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Speaker 1: lost a lot of weight. Well, that's true. Women don't,
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Speaker 1: especially women get very upset even if they asked you
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Speaker 1: if it looks like I'm gaining weight, you don't want
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Speaker 1: to say yet it looks like you're gaining weight. However,
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Speaker 1: it's very hard Nancy, caring me to imagine, even if
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Speaker 1: they were sleeping in separate rooms, obviously they will created children.
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Speaker 1: They were having sex that he didn't begin to notice
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Speaker 1: that she wasn't just gaining weight, but it was in
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Speaker 1: a particular place and she looked pregnant, So yes, striking
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Speaker 1: to me, what do you think about it? Well, on
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Speaker 1: the other hand, though, Karen, start remember remember when I
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Speaker 1: was pregnant with the twins, I managed to hide my
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Speaker 1: pregnancy for I guess what was it, Karen? Because you
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Speaker 1: were with me and you knew over four months. Absolutely
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Speaker 1: you did, Nancy. But how about with David. Well, I
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Speaker 1: mean he knew the whole time, so I wasn't keeping
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Speaker 1: it a secret from him. On the other hand, remember
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Speaker 1: she was desperately trying to conceal the pregnancy, so who
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Speaker 1: knows what she was doing to hide it? But how
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Speaker 1: can you go through all that and even a doctor
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Speaker 1: doesn't find out? Take a listen to Dave Matt crime
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Speaker 1: online dot com makeup artist Elsa Dave Vault lives with
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend, Christma Teaching, and her two daughters from a
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Speaker 1: previous relationship. In December, heavy vaginal bleeding not related to
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Speaker 1: her minstrel cycle has the thirty two year old heading
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Speaker 1: to an emergency room. Dave Ald is bleeding so badly
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Speaker 1: that she needs and receives a blood transfusion. Doctors at
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Speaker 1: the Grand Strand Regional Medical Center in South Carolina, trying
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Speaker 1: to diagnose the cause of the bleeding, perform an ultrasound
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Speaker 1: and make a stunning discovery an undelivered placenta in her uterus,
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Speaker 1: But no baby whoa Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about a guy
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Speaker 1: who learns that he has two children he never knew about,
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Speaker 1: that they're dead, and that they've been thrown away like trash.
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Speaker 1: But how did the mom manage to cover up the pregnancies,
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Speaker 1: affect two deaths and dispose of the bodies? How does
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Speaker 1: that happen? We learned she goes to the hospital with heavy,
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Speaker 1: heavy bleeding. Listen to what the doctors say. Here's Dave Matt.
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Speaker 1: Crime online 's determined that elicit Dave Alt's bleeding is
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Speaker 1: a result of a tear caused by labor that has
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Speaker 1: become infected. Under a doctor's care, Dave All delivers a
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Speaker 1: placenta and umbilical cord consistent with a full term pregnancy,
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Speaker 1: but there's no child. Dave Aald explains it away as
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Speaker 1: being from her other children that she would have known
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Speaker 1: if she was pregnant. Dave Alt's boyfriend and mother are
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Speaker 1: asked about her pregnancy and both say they were unaware
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Speaker 1: if dave All was pregnant. The hospital contacts police and
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Speaker 1: dave All is discharged from the hospital. Okay, I'm just
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Speaker 1: a JD. You're the death investigator, Joseph Scott Morgan. What
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Speaker 1: is happening? I mean, how could she have this heavy,
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Speaker 1: heavy bleeding? They say it was caused by a tear
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Speaker 1: that developed during labor, has become infected and they deliver
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Speaker 1: a placenta and an umbilical cord. Yeah, so we know,
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Speaker 1: you know, if there's infection that is set in Nancy,
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Speaker 1: we know that there's some tom that has elapsed here,
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Speaker 1: and you know, just to get folks a kind of
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Speaker 1: a brief run through that have never been prey present
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Speaker 1: for pregnancy and a delivery, you know, listen, there's there's
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Speaker 1: literally an decision that has made sometimes to accommodate a
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Speaker 1: baby being delivered. It's called an episiotomy. And if that's
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Speaker 1: not done, then you can get this ripping effect. And
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Speaker 1: not only that, you know, people think that, well, when
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Speaker 1: a baby is born, the mom is told okay, honey, push, push, push,
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Speaker 1: and well not you know, following the birth of a child,
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Speaker 1: women also have to continue to push to get the
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Speaker 1: placenta out and the rest of the umbilical cord. And
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Speaker 1: if this doesn't happen, this can lead to onset of septicemia,
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Speaker 1: which is a system wide shut down in infection. And
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Speaker 1: she's walking around with this within her nancy and no
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Speaker 1: one is any the wiser. I would have to think
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Speaker 1: if she had this bleeding, she's also going to have
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Speaker 1: maybe some kind of associated fever as well. She would
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Speaker 1: not have been in good shape. How do you as
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Speaker 1: a doctor and you examine a woman. There's placenta, there's
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Speaker 1: unbilical cord, but there's no baby. I mean you kind
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Speaker 1: of bury the lead there, Joe Scott Morgan, where's the baby? Yeah? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Where where is the baby? And that's the big question
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Speaker 1: that the doctors need to be asking at this moment, Tom,
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Speaker 1: and literally in their face, in this woman's face at
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Speaker 1: this moment, Tom, because what they're looking at, where is
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Speaker 1: this baby that you're not providing care for that. No
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Speaker 1: one is providing care for You're not going to tell
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Speaker 1: us that this placenta and the umbilical cord is left
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Speaker 1: behind from some pregnancy that occurred years and years ago,
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Speaker 1: because that's what's actually being implied here. That's not going
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Speaker 1: to happen. You'd have horrible necrosis rotting. That's she'd be
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Speaker 1: dead by Now that's the problem here, because now we've
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Speaker 1: got an emergency on our hands. It's not just her bleeding.
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Speaker 1: There's a baby out there somewhere. Where the hell is
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Speaker 1: the baby? We've got to provide care for the baby?
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Speaker 1: And what is it? The boyfriend flash, you know, living boyfriend, husband,
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Speaker 1: whatever he is, and mama, why don't they know the
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Speaker 1: status of this? You know, it leaves me scratching my head. Well,
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Speaker 1: hold on, I think I need a shrink for that.
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Speaker 1: But have you learned in your practice, actually, Wilcott judge, trial, lawyer,
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Speaker 1: court TV anchor. People see what they want to see,
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Speaker 1: and they don't see what they don't want to see.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, let's just break it down to
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Speaker 1: something less disturbing, something we can wrap our head around.
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Speaker 1: For instance, women think the husband or vice versus having
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Speaker 1: an affair, but they don't want to know that, so
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Speaker 1: they don't investigate. I don't mean hire a private eye.
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Speaker 1: I mean, for Pete's sake, look at the cell phone.
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Speaker 1: Do something you don't want to know, so you don't look.
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Speaker 1: You're blinded. You've got all blinders. What about that asked you?
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Speaker 1: WoT they didn't want to know that? It's like you
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Speaker 1: read my mind, because that's exactly what I was thinking
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Speaker 1: of in all the situations where women don't want to
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Speaker 1: believe their husband's cheating or vice versa, and it's denial
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Speaker 1: and they just don't want to think about it. And
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Speaker 1: so I do think there had to be some of
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Speaker 1: that here. Now, remember a couple of things. Number One,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to assume that this woman is exceedingly convincing.
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Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, I've got to tell you somethink
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott. Yeah, you know, traditionally I have the skeleton
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Speaker 1: life size on top of the car or Halloween season. Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: So the other day, David said he was gonna have
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Speaker 1: wings and a salad with one of his friends he
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Speaker 1: used to work with when he was a CPA, And
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Speaker 1: he said it at the last minute. So I was
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Speaker 1: picking up the twins late from school because he had
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Speaker 1: some kind of sports event, and I thought, you know what,
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Speaker 1: David never does anything wrong, much to my chagrin Nick
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Speaker 1: on Fakewood, but I was thinking, Ashley, you know I
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Speaker 1: would tell any other woman, you don't leave got blinders on. Investigate.
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Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, you know what, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: go investigate. Sure enough, there I am with the beat
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Speaker 1: up in minivan with a skeleton on top. I drive
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Speaker 1: through the restaurant where he's supposed to be sitting outside
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Speaker 1: having wings, and guess what, I caught him being good again.
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Speaker 1: There he was having wings with the guy he used
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Speaker 1: to work with, and they see me driving by with
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Speaker 1: the twins in the car with the skeleton on top,
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Speaker 1: with the minivan, and it was one of those parking
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Speaker 1: lots you have to kind of like stop before you
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Speaker 1: get Yeah. Anyway, I'm not living with blind zoon, but
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Speaker 1: I can tell you it always doesn't turn out the
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Speaker 1: way you think it will. Well, okay, by David. You
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Speaker 1: know I love that, David, and that's why listen. But
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Speaker 1: the reality is, you know, unfortunately for this man, not
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Speaker 1: all all men, not all people, but really not all
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Speaker 1: men are comfortable talking about women's reproductive systems and bleeding
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Speaker 1: and all of the things that come along with it.
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Speaker 1: So I think some of them are like, oh, okay,
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Speaker 1: don't just kind of go take care of that and
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Speaker 1: whatever you need you let me know. On the other hand,
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Speaker 1: there's some denial going on. But I'm a gonna assume
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Speaker 1: that this woman is exceedingly a maniulative convincing us whatever
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Speaker 1: word you want, that she was able to convince not
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Speaker 1: only him, but her own mother, her own family, and
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Speaker 1: doctors that she hadn't been pregnant or wasn't pregnant. There
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Speaker 1: is a lot more going on here with what's wrong
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Speaker 1: with her. You're absolutely right. I mean, we hear about
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Speaker 1: scams every day and we think, why didn't they figure
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Speaker 1: it out? What are they crazy? Stupid? They're not. They're
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Speaker 1: people just like us that can't see what's right in
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Speaker 1: front of them. Take listen to more of Chris Matitian.
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Speaker 1: I definitely did notice she was wearing bag ear clothes.
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Speaker 1: She would wear my clothes, my shirt, you know, like
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Speaker 1: walking around the house, where she would never really do that,
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Speaker 1: you know, she would just wear her own stuff. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: the last and you gotta figure I was dating her
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Speaker 1: for twenty four months and she was pregnant out of
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Speaker 1: these eighteen months, so it's like her a little bigger,
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Speaker 1: was kind of kind of normal, you know, And it's
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Speaker 1: like I did again. I didn't I don't care. I
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Speaker 1: didn't care about that. I loved her the whole situation
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Speaker 1: we were in. Guys were talking about this woman being
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Speaker 1: pregnant not once, but twice, resulting in two babies thrown
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Speaker 1: away like trash, which is a whole other canon worms
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Speaker 1: in itself. To figure out the disposal of these children,
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Speaker 1: Why you would treat them like trash. There's got to
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Speaker 1: be an ulterior motive to that disposal, a meaning to
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Speaker 1: treating these little babies light trash. But listen to Taggart
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Speaker 1: Hout at wpde Devolt went to the hospital just over
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Speaker 1: a week ago for bleeding. Doctors found a placenta and
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Speaker 1: a biblical cord, but no baby. A police report states
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Speaker 1: she denied the hospital staff that she was pregnant, but
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Speaker 1: later confessed to police that she's had the baby at home.
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Speaker 1: It was breathing, and she disposed of it. Nothing good
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Speaker 1: about anything that like that happening anywhere close to home.
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Speaker 1: Eric Karen lived near Devout last November for Poor says
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Speaker 1: she did the same thing in this apartment building. I
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Speaker 1: feel like it's a very family oriented community and to
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Speaker 1: hear something like that happening in my neighborhood, in our neighborhood,
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Speaker 1: is really sad. The disposal of the babies is an
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Speaker 1: emotional decision that a trial lawyer like myself, I need
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Speaker 1: help figuring that out. Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. We're
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Speaker 1: talking about a beautiful young woman, a fairly famous makeup artist.
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Speaker 1: If you go on YouTube, you find tons of her
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Speaker 1: videos where she does one beautiful job after the next.
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Speaker 1: Chullian artist. How does someone in the prime of their
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Speaker 1: life with a wonderful, loving partner and that would have
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Speaker 1: been chrismatician two beautiful little girls turn into a martyr monster.
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Speaker 1: I don't get it. And then we learn there's a
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Speaker 1: suggestion of another dead baby. Take a listen to WPT
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Speaker 1: ABC fifteen. A police report says they learned of the
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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen baby when they secured her medical records. They
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Speaker 1: say those records show she had an er visit in
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Speaker 1: her third trimester in twenty seventeen and that she admitted
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Speaker 1: she gave birth to a live baby girl and disposed
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Speaker 1: of the child. Dave Old's Facebook page shows a smiling
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Speaker 1: mom with two children. Police say they're six and eight
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Speaker 1: years old. We reached out to her family and her boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: but have not heard back. Her boyfriend, Chris did post
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Speaker 1: this message on his Facebook page, saying, quote, I beg
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Speaker 1: for your prayers, prayers for my son and daughter who
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Speaker 1: were not given the chance to live on this planet
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Speaker 1: that we're selfishly hidden from me and thrown away like trash.
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Speaker 1: As he is turning it over and over in his
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Speaker 1: mind like a Rubik's cube, he can't figure out. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to what we learned Chrismatician had to say.
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Speaker 1: He claims he's the father of both babies and had
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Speaker 1: no idea she was pregnant. Did I notice her gaining
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Speaker 1: weight early twenty seventeen? Of course, yeah, I mean, but
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Speaker 1: how do you bring that up to your girlfriend? You know?
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Speaker 1: And again in twenty eighteen he noticed the same thing.
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Speaker 1: She was even complaining about her back, hurtling stuff, and
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Speaker 1: I'd be like, well, let's go. I mean, we live
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Speaker 1: right next to a park. Let's go walk the park.
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Speaker 1: Let's go do something like that, you know, she would
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Speaker 1: just be like, oh, you just want me to lose weight.
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Speaker 1: He says he thought he knew deave Vault, or I
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Speaker 1: was ready to spend the rest of my life with her,
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Speaker 1: and then it's like one day everything is different. He
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Speaker 1: hopes her other children he still cares. I just hope
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Speaker 1: they don't think I abandoned them, you know, trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out what happened. And the reality is to Karen Start,
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Speaker 1: New York psychologists joining us from Manhattan. You can find
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Speaker 1: her at karen start dot com. In my mind, there's
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Speaker 1: really no way she can claim insanity because she plotted
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Speaker 1: to keep the pregnancies a secret by wearing the bigger clothes,
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Speaker 1: by basically going on the offense when it was brought
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Speaker 1: up to her that she was gaining weight, by saying
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Speaker 1: I offered to go for a walk, she goes, oh,
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Speaker 1: you just want me to lose weight, and turning it
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Speaker 1: back on the boyfriend so he wouldn't bring it up again.
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Speaker 1: And the elaborate lies that she constructed for nine months,
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Speaker 1: not once, but twice. That rules out the possibility, of
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Speaker 1: my mind of any insanity. Not insane, not at all. Nancy,
21:53
Speaker 1: I mean, you can be a psychopath and it has
21:56
Speaker 1: nothing to do with being insane. You know the difference
21:58
Speaker 1: between right and wrong that you don't care. There's this
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Speaker 1: thing when someone is a psychopath or antisocial personality. The
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Speaker 1: way this woman sounds seems to me that she is.
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Speaker 1: There is really no anxiety, regret, or regard for the
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Speaker 1: suffering of others. So killing a baby it doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: anything to her. It's a dog. She can do whatever
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Speaker 1: she wants, but she knows she's doing it. There's no
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Speaker 1: doubt about it. I got another question to ask you,
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Speaker 1: Wilcott Ashley. Do you think pretty people get away with
22:35
Speaker 1: more yea than untraditional beauty? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes
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Speaker 1: yes I see it from the bench. I do see
22:43
Speaker 1: it from the bench. Should it be that way? Absolutely,
22:46
Speaker 1: not a thousand percent. But they seem to not to
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Speaker 1: see the pretty people, but they seem to have more
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Speaker 1: confidence and more belief in themselves sometimes right, But for
22:55
Speaker 1: whatever reason, I absolutely see that those with beauty looks
23:03
Speaker 1: do get away with more. They do even with their
23:05
Speaker 1: own family. I think it's harder for juries because they
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Speaker 1: look at this person they go, wow, they've got everything there.
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Speaker 1: This woman is gorgeous. She's got a great figure, she's
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Speaker 1: got a beautiful family. This guy's head over heels in
23:21
Speaker 1: love with her. He's even helping raise her two little girls.
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Speaker 1: She's got these two girls to live for. It's really
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Speaker 1: hard to believe that she would throw all that away.
23:31
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, if she had not developed
23:33
Speaker 1: that infection from the tear she received during childbirth, yeah,
23:38
Speaker 1: she could be very well pregnant right now and getting
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Speaker 1: rid of another baby. Out to Levi Page, Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, what do we know about the
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Speaker 1: cod cause of death on the babies? And how do
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Speaker 1: you think, Levi Page, she managed to pull it off?
23:53
Speaker 1: Was she working? I mean, did she does work? I mean,
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Speaker 1: how does she pull off not one, but two pregnancies?
23:59
Speaker 1: Gonna That's why I mentioned Her boyfriend said that they
24:03
Speaker 1: slept in separate rooms because he snored. He didn't even
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Speaker 1: know that she gave birth, he said, because they slept
24:10
Speaker 1: in separate rooms. And police obtained medical records when she
24:14
Speaker 1: went to the doctor in twenty eighteen and delivered an
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Speaker 1: umbilical cord. They fought an umbilical cord, and she refused
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Speaker 1: to say she was pregnant. They tested her urine. It
24:25
Speaker 1: had traces of marijuana THHC in it, and in addition
24:30
Speaker 1: to that, they called the police, and the police started
24:33
Speaker 1: investigating and looked at her medical files and they discovered
24:38
Speaker 1: that in twenty seventeen she had actually gone to the
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Speaker 1: doctor and for being pregnant. She knew she was pregnant
24:45
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, so they questioned her and presented her
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Speaker 1: with all the evidence and she finally broke down and admitted, yes,
24:53
Speaker 1: I was pregnant in twenty seventeen, gave birth to a
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Speaker 1: little girl, disposed of the body in the public trash
25:02
Speaker 1: area that apartment complexes have, and that body has never
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Speaker 1: to this day been recovered. So the dad has no idea,
25:10
Speaker 1: no idea what has happened to the baby girl. Right now,
25:14
Speaker 1: all we know about is the baby boy who was
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Speaker 1: thrown away in a garbage can and the boyfriend, the
25:22
Speaker 1: bio dad has to look at that garbage can and
25:25
Speaker 1: goes that's where they found my baby. Prime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, we are talking about a beautiful young thirtieth
25:51
Speaker 1: year old young woman, a makeup star on YouTube, her
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Speaker 1: name Alyssa. Take a listen to our friends at w
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Speaker 1: B one police interviewed Davell. They say she confessed to
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Speaker 1: delivering a male child here at her home on South
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Speaker 1: Oak Drive on December second. She told police the child
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Speaker 1: was alive and took multiple gasping breadths, but she failed
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Speaker 1: to seek medical treatment and didn't try to save the
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Speaker 1: child's life. The warrant says Davil then put the child's
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Speaker 1: body in the trash at her home without notifying police.
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Speaker 1: No one, you carried it for non mis and to
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Speaker 1: dispose them in the trash and lived day by day.
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Speaker 1: There's no way I can do it. Warrants also say
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Speaker 1: a similar incident happened November twenty seventeen, where dave All
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Speaker 1: disposed of a baby girl in the dumpster at her
26:36
Speaker 1: apartment complex. I just pray for her family and definitely
26:40
Speaker 1: her children to grow up puffully without a mother because
26:44
Speaker 1: of the mistakes that she did. Those who knew Deveolts
26:47
Speaker 1: say they had no idea she was pregnant, but they
26:49
Speaker 1: did notice she was wearing sweatshirts and baggy clothes on
26:52
Speaker 1: hot days in the summer this past a few months,
26:54
Speaker 1: she says, and this is the critical part of what
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Speaker 1: Davo says, that she gave birth to a little boy
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Speaker 1: December two. He was born alive and took multiple gasping
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Speaker 1: breath she fits. She says she failed to seek medical
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Speaker 1: help and did not try to save the child's life,
27:13
Speaker 1: then put the child in the trash at her home.
27:17
Speaker 1: How can we tell, Joe Scott Morgan did the baby
27:19
Speaker 1: die on its own or did she suffocate the baby? Well,
27:23
Speaker 1: one of the things that that you're going to look for, obviously, Nancy,
27:27
Speaker 1: are going to be you know, things that we've talked
27:28
Speaker 1: about in the past, like external trauma to the face.
27:32
Speaker 1: These babies are very, very fragile. It wouldn't really take
27:35
Speaker 1: a lot, but certainly particular hemorrhages to see if there's
27:40
Speaker 1: any kind of burst blood vessels that would give us
27:42
Speaker 1: an indication of asphyxiation. But here's you know, I would
27:46
Speaker 1: just want to take it back very quickly. This is
27:48
Speaker 1: this is the key, she says. She says that this
27:52
Speaker 1: child just kind of dwindle, just kind of you know,
27:56
Speaker 1: diminished and died. That's one of the things I want
27:59
Speaker 1: to know out. First off, you have to prove that
28:01
Speaker 1: the child was alive. And one of the things that
28:03
Speaker 1: we've done the past, and you and I've talked about it.
28:05
Speaker 1: Is this float tests where you see if the lungs
28:08
Speaker 1: had actually been you know, extended to the point where
28:13
Speaker 1: they breathed air, you know, to see if the lungs
28:15
Speaker 1: float in a bucket of water. And that's one of
28:17
Speaker 1: the tests that we do. And once you established that,
28:20
Speaker 1: then you can move forward with this idea. The child
28:23
Speaker 1: was not still born, the child was alive, and that
28:25
Speaker 1: she neglected this child to the point of death or
28:29
Speaker 1: or did she actually suffocate the child? To Leavi page
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Speaker 1: climb online dot Com investigative reporter, did she stick with
28:38
Speaker 1: that story or did she change her story about happened
28:41
Speaker 1: what happened when she gave birth? She when they discovered
28:44
Speaker 1: that she had been bringed it in twenty seventeen, she
28:46
Speaker 1: initially told police that she gave that child up for adoption,
28:50
Speaker 1: and then she later admitted, yes, I disposed of the
28:53
Speaker 1: body in the trash can. And she did change her
28:58
Speaker 1: stories in twenty eighteen, two after giving birth to a
29:01
Speaker 1: baby boy, she at first denied that she was pregnant,
29:06
Speaker 1: and then given evidence that she was, she couldn't refute it.
29:10
Speaker 1: She finally admitted that she disposed of them in the
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Speaker 1: trash can of their home, and the pathologists cannot determine
29:19
Speaker 1: exactly how the baby boy died m so it kind
29:23
Speaker 1: of stuck with her story. Take a listen to Josh Halford.
29:29
Speaker 1: That has proved intentionally is we're not saying that she
29:35
Speaker 1: intentionally or her This is stream different fire to the
29:46
Speaker 1: trash we love and the disease in the st She
30:07
Speaker 1: breaks down, Yes, more live please. That is extreme indifference
30:26
Speaker 1: for human life, and that is a theory of murder.
30:30
Speaker 1: It is called an abandoned and malignant heart. Extreme indifference
30:33
Speaker 1: to human life. For instance, as I like to explain
30:37
Speaker 1: to juries, when you drive your suv at ninety mph
30:41
Speaker 1: through a street fair and you end up mowing down
30:45
Speaker 1: three or four people, did you didn't even know those people.
30:49
Speaker 1: You didn't intend to kill that person. But your extreme
30:53
Speaker 1: indifference to human life, your malignant abandonment to all things
31:01
Speaker 1: reasonably cautious, equals murder, is called an abandoned and malignant heart.
31:09
Speaker 1: She says, the baby was born alive and then she
31:13
Speaker 1: put it in the trash, and you know what a
31:17
Speaker 1: stroke of really luck and good coping. Because the cops
31:24
Speaker 1: race over the baby is still in the trash. Do
31:28
Speaker 1: I have that right, LEVI, because the trash just so
31:32
Speaker 1: happened did not get wheeled out to the street. You
31:35
Speaker 1: are absolutely correct, and that is work fine. I mean,
31:39
Speaker 1: how could she continue on knowing the babies in the
31:42
Speaker 1: trash can? I don't get how that how you can
31:46
Speaker 1: even do that. But in response to what we're learning
31:49
Speaker 1: in court, take a listen to what doctors say. Here's
31:52
Speaker 1: wpge ABC fifteen. Two doctors also testified. You both said
31:56
Speaker 1: all of the clues indicated she had been pregnant. The
32:00
Speaker 1: defense focused on the fact that none of those doctors
32:02
Speaker 1: or law enforcement officials were there when the children were
32:05
Speaker 1: born or could say if they'd been born alive. They
32:08
Speaker 1: charged my mind two casts of Housie. It's on their
32:13
Speaker 1: theory of where her, but it shows that it's a theory.
32:18
Speaker 1: Dave All told police she'd passed out after giving birth
32:21
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, and when she woke up, the baby
32:23
Speaker 1: was unresponsive. However, she'd also told them the babies were
32:27
Speaker 1: gasping for air after delivery. Okay, wait a minute, right there,
32:30
Speaker 1: that's an engoxistent statement to ask you, Wilcot child lawyer,
32:34
Speaker 1: judge anchor court TV. And while you can't bring hearsay
32:39
Speaker 1: into court unless it falls into one of the many
32:41
Speaker 1: hearsay exceptions when a defendant says something that can be
32:46
Speaker 1: brought into court, especially when it's an inconsistent statement. So
32:51
Speaker 1: she tells cops the babies were gasping for air after
32:54
Speaker 1: delivery and she simply did not take them to the hospital.
32:58
Speaker 1: That she that's obviously what happened. Then she changes her
33:03
Speaker 1: story too, She passes out and doesn't know what happened
33:07
Speaker 1: to the babies. They just both of them end up dead.
33:10
Speaker 1: Another story she gave was that she gave the baby
33:13
Speaker 1: girl up for adoption. So she's told so many stories.
33:17
Speaker 1: These inconsistent statements are coming into evidence. Ashley, Yeah, they're
33:21
Speaker 1: definitely coming into evidence. And here's the advantage to the
33:23
Speaker 1: prosecution that they're coming into evidence. She did something to
33:27
Speaker 1: these children. She can't keep her story straight. She can't
33:29
Speaker 1: tell you exactly what she did. But there's no doubt
33:32
Speaker 1: when somebody tells this many different versions of a story,
33:35
Speaker 1: all of which, by the way, results in the death,
33:37
Speaker 1: all of which results in the death, then clearly it's
33:41
Speaker 1: easier in my opinion, to convince the jury that she
33:44
Speaker 1: did it. Because she can't even keep her story straight.
33:47
Speaker 1: Take a listen to Uni and Watson Wmbs. Among today's
33:51
Speaker 1: witnesses were doctors who examined Alyssa Davald during and after
33:55
Speaker 1: her pregnancies, as well as detectives who investigated the case.
34:00
Speaker 1: The first day of trial finished with testimony from the
34:03
Speaker 1: doctor who discovered Da Vote was pregnant in November of
34:05
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. Another doctor who treated day Vot after she
34:09
Speaker 1: gave birth in twenty eighteen also took the stand. The
34:12
Speaker 1: doctor says she was shocked when she pulled out a
34:14
Speaker 1: full term placenta, but there was no baby. The jury
34:17
Speaker 1: also heard from two detectives who interviewed Da Volt in
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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen and watched part of their interviews with her now.
34:24
Speaker 1: In the initial interview, captured on a body camera, you
34:27
Speaker 1: can hear day Vote at first denied having a baby.
34:30
Speaker 1: After further questioning, Da Vot admits to giving birth twice
34:33
Speaker 1: and dumping both babies in the trash, one in a
34:36
Speaker 1: trash can beside her house. And the interviews, Davot also
34:40
Speaker 1: says the father of the babies did not know about
34:42
Speaker 1: them or that she threw them in the trash. During
34:45
Speaker 1: cross examination, the defense pointed out. At one point, Dave
34:48
Speaker 1: Vote said she passed out after giving birth and claimed
34:51
Speaker 1: the baby was blue, limp and unresponsive. You know, I've noticed,
34:55
Speaker 1: over the course of years working in courts that so
34:59
Speaker 1: often when the victim is an infant or a child
35:03
Speaker 1: per the killer gets a lighter sentence. They get voluntary
35:07
Speaker 1: manslaughter or even involuntary manslaughter. I don't know why in
35:13
Speaker 1: this case, LEVI page what happened? So Nancy, the trial
35:18
Speaker 1: started and she did not show up for the trial,
35:21
Speaker 1: so a bench worn't was issued for arrest, but they
35:23
Speaker 1: continue on with the trial. She was found guilty and
35:29
Speaker 1: ultimately caught, brought a court, and she was sentenced to
35:33
Speaker 1: forty years in prison. According to sources, she's already planning
35:38
Speaker 1: her appeal. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace crime story,
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,