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- 0:01SPEAKER_00: Hi, this is Ed Gallagher reading my essay, Does Christianity Make You Good?
- 0:12SPEAKER_00: In chapter seven of The Hiding Place,
- 0:15SPEAKER_00: Corrie Ten Boom described the trouble she had finding a placement for
- 0:22SPEAKER_00: a Jewish infant.
- 0:25SPEAKER_00: Of course,
- 0:26SPEAKER_00: this is during the Nazi occupation of the Netherlands Perhaps in 1943,
- 0:34SPEAKER_00: and the Ten Boom family was involved in the underground resistance to the Nazis,
- 0:39SPEAKER_00: especially by hiding Jews.
- 0:43SPEAKER_00: By the way,
- 0:43SPEAKER_00: their house in Harlem,
- 0:46SPEAKER_00: that's with two A's,
- 0:50SPEAKER_00: H-A-A-R-L-E-M, Harlem,
- 0:53SPEAKER_00: was about 15 miles or so west of Of where Anne Frank was hiding in Amsterdam,
- 1:02SPEAKER_00: though their stories do not intersect as far as I know.
- 1:08SPEAKER_00: As I was saying,
- 1:09SPEAKER_00: the Ten Boom family was hiding Jews,
- 1:11SPEAKER_00: but hiding an infant presents a special challenge because you can't tell them
- 1:18SPEAKER_00: to be quiet.
- 1:21SPEAKER_00: Corrie Ten Boom says she had a good prospect for someone who would take this infant
- 1:25SPEAKER_00: in,
- 1:26SPEAKER_00: a family friend whom she thought would be receptive to the idea of hiding this baby.
- 1:35SPEAKER_00: When this family friend,
- 1:36SPEAKER_00: this man, entered her watch shop, she went to get the baby to show to the man.
- 1:43SPEAKER_00: She describes the scene that transpired, and here I'm quoting from her book, The Hiding Place.
- 1:50SPEAKER_00: Back in the dining room I pulled back the coverlet from the baby's face.
- 1:56SPEAKER_00: There was a long silence.
- 1:59SPEAKER_00: The man bent forward,
- 2:02SPEAKER_00: his hand, in spite of himself, reaching for the tiny fist curled around the blanket.
- 2:10SPEAKER_00: For a moment I saw compassion and fear struggle in his face,
- 2:16SPEAKER_00: Then he straightened, No, definitely not.
- 2:19SPEAKER_00: We could lose our lives for that Jewish child.
- 2:25SPEAKER_00: Unseen by either of us, Father had appeared in the doorway.
- 2:31SPEAKER_00: Give the child to me, Corey, he said.
- 2:37SPEAKER_00: Father held the baby close.
- 2:39SPEAKER_00: His white beard brushed its cheek,
- 2:43SPEAKER_00: looking into the little face with eyes as blue and innocent as the baby's own.
- 2:53SPEAKER_00: At last he looked up at the man.
- 2:57SPEAKER_00: You say we could lose our lives for this child?
- 3:02SPEAKER_00: I would consider that the greatest honor that could come to my family.
- 3:08SPEAKER_00: That's the end of the quote.
- 3:11SPEAKER_00: It's an amazing scene,
- 3:12SPEAKER_00: an amazing comment from this 82-year-old man,
- 3:17SPEAKER_00: Casper Ten Boom, about whom, if you're curious, there's a Wikipedia page.
- 3:24SPEAKER_00: He cultivated a deep Christian faith as a lifelong member of
- 3:29SPEAKER_00: the Dutch Reformed Church, which was basically the State Church of Holland.
- 3:35SPEAKER_00: He lived a simple, pious life.
- 3:39SPEAKER_00: He read the Bible to his family morning and night,
- 3:43SPEAKER_00: and during the day in between,
- 3:46SPEAKER_00: he worked in the watch shop that he inherited from his father.
- 3:51SPEAKER_00: He was a man of prayer,
- 3:53SPEAKER_00: a characteristic powerfully illustrated in Chapter 5 of The Hiding Place,
- 4:00SPEAKER_00: at the time that the Nazis first attacked the Netherlands.
- 4:05SPEAKER_00: Corrie Ten Boom describes the situation,
- 4:07SPEAKER_00: quote, For five days, Holland held out against the invader.
- 4:13SPEAKER_00: We kept the shop open.
- 4:15SPEAKER_00: Not because anyone was interested in watches, but because people wanted to see Father.
- 4:22SPEAKER_00: Some wanted him to pray for husbands and sons stationed at the borders of the country.
- 4:31SPEAKER_00: Others, it seemed to me,
- 4:33SPEAKER_00: came just to see him sitting there behind his workbench as he had for 60 years now.
- 4:43SPEAKER_00: And to hear in the ticking clocks a world of order and reason.
- 4:52SPEAKER_00: They wanted to hear him pray.
- 4:55SPEAKER_00: They wanted to see him work.
- 4:57SPEAKER_00: In a world turned upside down, they wanted to witness stability, faithfulness.
- 5:04SPEAKER_00: And they found it in an old man behind the counter of a watch shop.
- 5:11SPEAKER_00: And later,
- 5:11SPEAKER_00: when the Ten Boom family,
- 5:13SPEAKER_00: along with a group of about 35 resistance leaders and workers,
- 5:18SPEAKER_00: were arrested by the Nazis, Corrie Ten Boom witnessed this scene.
- 5:26SPEAKER_00: Quote from Chapter 9.
- 5:28SPEAKER_00: When I got back the last time, a group had gathered around Father for evening prayers.
- 5:35SPEAKER_00: Every day of my life had ended like this,
- 5:39SPEAKER_00: that deep,
- 5:40SPEAKER_00: steady voice,
- 5:42SPEAKER_00: that sure and eager confiding of us all to the care of God,
- 5:48SPEAKER_00: The Bible lay at home on its shelf, but much of it was stored in his heart.
- 5:55SPEAKER_00: His blue eyes seemed to be seeing beyond the locked and crowded room,
- 6:02SPEAKER_00: beyond Harlem, beyond Earth itself.
- 6:07SPEAKER_00: As he quoted from memory, Thou art my hiding place and my shield.
- 6:13SPEAKER_00: I hope in thy word.
- 6:15SPEAKER_00: Hold thou me up and I shall be safe.
- 6:22SPEAKER_00: That's the end of the quote.
- 6:26SPEAKER_00: The topic I want to address is, Does Christianity Make People Good?
- 6:34SPEAKER_00: And Casper Ten Boom and his family,
- 6:36SPEAKER_00: especially his two spinster daughters,
- 6:39SPEAKER_00: Corey and Betsy,
- 6:41SPEAKER_00: who never left home,
- 6:42SPEAKER_00: this Ten Boom family is Exhibit A for the positive answer to the question.
- 6:49SPEAKER_00: Yes, Christianity makes people good.
- 6:53SPEAKER_00: Just look at the Ten Boom family.
- 6:55SPEAKER_00: They prayed daily.
- 6:56SPEAKER_00: They read their Bible daily.
- 6:58SPEAKER_00: They went to church.
- 7:00SPEAKER_00: They had a genuine faith that came out in their actions.
- 7:05SPEAKER_00: And when they saw people in need, it was their faith that told them they must act.
- 7:12SPEAKER_00: They believed 1 John 3, 17 and 18, where they read these words.
- 7:18SPEAKER_00: But whoso hath the world's good and seeth his brother have need
- 7:22SPEAKER_00: and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him,
- 7:25SPEAKER_00: how dwelleth the love of God in him?
- 7:30SPEAKER_00: My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue, but in deed and in truth.
- 7:40SPEAKER_00: So when the Jews in the Dutch city of Harlem started wearing gold stars,
- 7:47SPEAKER_00: The Ten Boom family learned for the first time who
- 7:51SPEAKER_00: among their acquaintances were Jewish.
- 7:55SPEAKER_00: Some of these Jews were,
- 7:56SPEAKER_00: in fact,
- 7:57SPEAKER_00: Christians,
- 7:58SPEAKER_00: having been baptized years earlier,
- 8:01SPEAKER_00: followers of the one perfect Jew, as some of them said.
- 8:07SPEAKER_00: No matter.
- 8:09SPEAKER_00: In something akin to the one-drop rule,
- 8:12SPEAKER_00: the Nazis counted these Christians as Jews, and they wore the star.
- 8:18SPEAKER_00: When the Jews started to be rounded up and shipped out,
- 8:21SPEAKER_00: it quickly became obvious to the Ten Booms what they must do.
- 8:27SPEAKER_00: In 2008,
- 8:28SPEAKER_00: the Ten Boom family was named by the state of Israel as belonging to the righteous
- 8:33SPEAKER_00: among the nations for their heroism in saving Jews from extermination in
- 8:39SPEAKER_00: the Holocaust.
- 8:43SPEAKER_00: Naturally, they put themselves in danger.
- 8:46SPEAKER_00: But again,
- 8:46SPEAKER_00: they believed the words of 1 John 3.16,
- 8:50SPEAKER_00: Hereby perceive we the love of God,
- 8:52SPEAKER_00: because he laid down his life for us,
- 8:55SPEAKER_00: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
- 9:01SPEAKER_00: That man,
- 9:02SPEAKER_00: that family friend presented by Corrie Ten Boom with a Jewish infant
- 9:06SPEAKER_00: that needed shelter,
- 9:09SPEAKER_00: he correctly perceived that,
- 9:11SPEAKER_00: in his words, we could lose our lives for that Jewish child.
- 9:18SPEAKER_00: But Caspar Ten Boom correctly perceived that such an outcome would be a great honor,
- 9:26SPEAKER_00: a chance to imitate Christ.
- 9:30SPEAKER_00: Does Christianity make you good?
- 9:34SPEAKER_00: Yes.
- 9:35SPEAKER_00: Behold the love of God displayed in the Ten Boom family.
- 9:42SPEAKER_00: As the Apostle Paul tells us, the fruit of the Spirit is goodness.
- 9:47SPEAKER_00: And the divine spirit has been at work in the Ten Boom family.
- 9:51SPEAKER_00: The spirit has made good use of its tools,
- 9:54SPEAKER_00: the spiritual disciplines,
- 9:56SPEAKER_00: especially prayer and scripture and communal life,
- 10:01SPEAKER_00: frequent worship with other believers.
- 10:05SPEAKER_00: And we can see the fruit.
- 10:08SPEAKER_00: It's obvious truth.
- 10:09SPEAKER_00: You come to Christ a sinner,
- 10:12SPEAKER_00: helpless, desperate, and Christ enters your life and changes everything.
- 10:17SPEAKER_00: The evidence is overwhelming.
- 10:20SPEAKER_00: Christianity makes you good.
- 10:28SPEAKER_00: If only it were so easy.
- 10:32SPEAKER_00: The man called into the Tin Boom Dining Room,
- 10:36SPEAKER_00: the family friend who ultimately refused to help a Jewish infant because of
- 10:43SPEAKER_00: the real danger the child presented,
- 10:47SPEAKER_00: that man was a Christian pastor who worked for a congregation in
- 10:55SPEAKER_00: a small town outside of Harlem.
- 10:57SPEAKER_00: It was a Christian pastor.
- 11:00SPEAKER_00: Who refused to help that Jewish infant.
- 11:03SPEAKER_00: This Christian pastor surely,
- 11:06SPEAKER_00: like the Ten Boom family, read the Bible regularly and prayed daily.
- 11:12SPEAKER_00: And he certainly attended church services frequently.
- 11:16SPEAKER_00: And when called upon to put his Christian ideas into action, he declined.
- 11:24SPEAKER_00: He was fearful that helping others would put himself in danger.
- 11:30SPEAKER_00: He had read and probably preached the verse that says perfect love casts out fear.
- 11:41SPEAKER_00: And when the moment of decision came, he chose fear over love.
- 11:48SPEAKER_00: He was willing to offer God only that which cost him nothing.
- 11:58SPEAKER_00: Does Christianity make you good?
- 12:01SPEAKER_00: No, not always.
- 12:04SPEAKER_00: But let me say this about that Christian pastor.
- 12:07SPEAKER_00: It was a struggle for him.
- 12:10SPEAKER_00: He gave in to fear, but at least he wanted to help, however weakly.
- 12:17SPEAKER_00: It's not like he said that the infant deserved whatever it got.
- 12:21SPEAKER_00: It's not like he reported the infant to the Nazis.
- 12:24SPEAKER_00: He clearly wanted to help the child and the Ten Boom family.
- 12:29SPEAKER_00: He was not sympathetic to the Nazi cause.
- 12:34SPEAKER_00: That is something.
- 12:37SPEAKER_00: In the face of evil,
- 12:38SPEAKER_00: Christians might not stand for goodness in the way you would like,
- 12:42SPEAKER_00: but at least they don't root for the evil of Christianity might not make you good,
- 12:48SPEAKER_00: but at least it doesn't make you evil.
- 12:50SPEAKER_00: I mean, Christians aren't Nazis.
- 12:54SPEAKER_00: Are they?
- 12:57SPEAKER_00: Okay, some Christians are Nazis.
- 13:00SPEAKER_00: I use the present tense advisedly.
- 13:04SPEAKER_00: I am reminded of another situation when,
- 13:07SPEAKER_00: in hindsight, the cause of justice, goodness, seems so obvious.
- 13:15SPEAKER_00: But Christians had a hard time navigating the ethical terrain.
- 13:21SPEAKER_00: Robert Louis Dabney is perhaps most remembered for writing a biography
- 13:26SPEAKER_00: of Stonewall Jackson,
- 13:28SPEAKER_00: but he himself was a Presbyterian theologian and chaplain in the Confederate Army.
- 13:34SPEAKER_00: Like many Southern Christians, he was pro-slavery.
- 13:39SPEAKER_00: His biographer quotes a letter that Dabney sent to his brother,
- 13:44SPEAKER_00: dated January 15, 1851,
- 13:49SPEAKER_00: part of which I will quote because I appreciate the clarity with
- 13:54SPEAKER_00: which this theologian expresses his ideas.
- 13:58SPEAKER_00: Here's the letter, 1851.
- 14:02SPEAKER_00: If we want to effect,
- 14:05SPEAKER_00: Dabney tells his brother,
- 14:07SPEAKER_00: the general current of national opinion
- 14:11SPEAKER_00: on this subject is slaveholding intrinsically immoral or unjust,
- 14:18SPEAKER_00: We must go before the nation with the Bible as the text,
- 14:22SPEAKER_00: and thus saith the Lord as the answer.
- 14:26SPEAKER_00: This policy is the wiser because we know that on the Bible argument,
- 14:31SPEAKER_00: the abolition party will be driven to unveil their true infidel tendencies.
- 14:40SPEAKER_00: The Bible being bound to stand on our side,
- 14:43SPEAKER_00: they will have to come out and array themselves against the Bible.
- 14:48SPEAKER_00: Here is our policy, then,
- 14:50SPEAKER_00: to push the Bible argument continually,
- 14:52SPEAKER_00: to drive abolitionism to the wall,
- 14:56SPEAKER_00: to compel it to assume an anti-Christian position.
- 15:01SPEAKER_00: By so doing, we compel the whole Christianity of the North to array itself on our side.
- 15:11SPEAKER_00: This would be an immense political advantage."
- 15:20SPEAKER_00: Wow.
- 15:21SPEAKER_00: This theologian cannot imagine a scenario in which the Bible could be used to oppose slavery.
- 15:32SPEAKER_00: No beating about the bush here.
- 15:34SPEAKER_00: He actually says in the letter that if we get into an ethical argument,
- 15:39SPEAKER_00: we might lose unless the argument turns on religion.
- 15:44SPEAKER_00: Then we'll win.
- 15:45SPEAKER_00: Christianity is obviously pro-slavery.
- 15:53SPEAKER_00: Okay, but
- 15:56SPEAKER_00: maybe the kind of slavery that Christianity favors is,
- 16:02SPEAKER_00: you know, the good kind of slavery.
- 16:04SPEAKER_00: The nice kind,
- 16:06SPEAKER_00: where the master treats his slaves in a respectful,
- 16:11SPEAKER_00: love-your-neighbor-as-yourself kind of way.
- 16:13SPEAKER_00: The kind of slavery that's less enforced labor under threat of death and more of a partnership.
- 16:21SPEAKER_00: Or even a vacation for the slave.
- 16:27SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
- 16:29SPEAKER_00: No, I don't think that's going to work.
- 16:32SPEAKER_00: Now let me say that both my own reason and the evidence I have seen suggest
- 16:38SPEAKER_00: that different masters treated their slaves in different ways.
- 16:43SPEAKER_00: Some masters were more cruel than others.
- 16:47SPEAKER_00: For instance,
- 16:48SPEAKER_00: in his autobiography,
- 16:49SPEAKER_00: Barton Stone,
- 16:51SPEAKER_00: Tells a story about a trip he took to Savannah where he encountered a form
- 16:57SPEAKER_00: of slavery that disgusted him and led him to believe that slavery was incompatible
- 17:03SPEAKER_00: with his Christian faith.
- 17:06SPEAKER_00: Stone had seen enslaved people before.
- 17:10SPEAKER_00: He grew up around slaves.
- 17:13SPEAKER_00: But his experience in Georgia was something different from what he had previously witnessed.
- 17:21SPEAKER_00: There were different forms of slavery, even in the American South.
- 17:25SPEAKER_00: None of them, I think, compatible with the principles of Christianity.
- 17:30SPEAKER_00: I've written about this before.
- 17:33SPEAKER_00: None of them compatible with the principles of Christianity, as I understand those principles.
- 17:37SPEAKER_00: None of them coherent with the greatest commands upon which our Lord said everything.
- 17:47SPEAKER_00: The law and the prophets hinge.
- 17:51SPEAKER_00: But I acknowledge that not all slave masters were the same.
- 17:55SPEAKER_00: And it's hard to know exactly what to trust out of our eyewitness sources,
- 18:01SPEAKER_00: because in the American South of the 18th and 19th centuries,
- 18:05SPEAKER_00: everyone had a dog in the fight.
- 18:07SPEAKER_00: There are no unbiased records.
- 18:12SPEAKER_00: Certainly Frederick Douglass was not unbiased,
- 18:15SPEAKER_00: and his experience is the experience of merely one enslaved person,
- 18:21SPEAKER_00: but we should still consider what he has to say about the effect of Christianity
- 18:26SPEAKER_00: on his own enslaver.
- 18:30SPEAKER_00: Did Christianity make the slaveholder of Frederick Douglass good?
- 18:37SPEAKER_00: Douglass gives us the answer in chapter 9 of his first autobiography,
- 18:43SPEAKER_00: which the 27-year-old Douglass published in 1845.
- 18:49SPEAKER_00: In the following excerpt,
- 18:51SPEAKER_00: Douglass looks back at a time more than a decade earlier when Douglass was
- 18:55SPEAKER_00: a young teenager.
- 18:56SPEAKER_00: Here's the quote.
- 18:58SPEAKER_00: In August 1832,
- 19:00SPEAKER_00: Douglas writes,
- 19:01SPEAKER_00: my master attended a Methodist camp meeting held in the Bayside,
- 19:06SPEAKER_00: Talbot County, and there experienced religion.
- 19:11SPEAKER_00: I indulged a faint hope that his conversion would lead him to emancipate his slaves
- 19:18SPEAKER_00: and that if he did not do this, it would at any rate make him more kind and humane.
- 19:24SPEAKER_00: I was disappointed.
- 19:27SPEAKER_00: End quote.
- 19:27SPEAKER_00: Oh, man.
- 19:54SPEAKER_00: I'm starting to wonder whether Caspar Ten Boom is the exception rather than the rule.
- 19:59SPEAKER_00: Maybe Christianity is not at all all that helpful to the moral improvement of people.
- 20:05SPEAKER_00: Is it more of a crapshoot?
- 20:08SPEAKER_00: And we haven't even started talking about the reasons that John and Yoko wanted
- 20:12SPEAKER_00: to imagine a world without religion,
- 20:16SPEAKER_00: which I'm sure had something to do with big things like wars, probably the Crusades.
- 20:23SPEAKER_00: And probably also smaller scale things like the religious people they'd encountered
- 20:28SPEAKER_00: who are arrogant jerks.
- 20:31SPEAKER_00: Is it their religion that made them arrogant jerks?
- 20:36SPEAKER_00: I'm getting the feeling that there is none righteous.
- 20:39SPEAKER_00: No, not one.
- 20:41SPEAKER_00: There is none that understandeth.
- 20:43SPEAKER_00: There is none that seeketh after God.
- 20:45SPEAKER_00: They are all gone out of the way.
- 20:47SPEAKER_00: They are together become unprofitable.
- 20:49SPEAKER_00: There is none that doeth good.
- 20:51SPEAKER_00: No, not one.
- 20:57SPEAKER_00: One of my heroes is Alexei Navalny.
- 21:02SPEAKER_00: For whom a report that came out this year endorsed by
- 21:06SPEAKER_00: a few European governments concluded that the cause of his death
- 21:12SPEAKER_00: a few years ago was murder, specifically poison by the Russian government.
- 21:19SPEAKER_00: I know, what a shock.
- 21:22SPEAKER_00: I read Navalny's memoir recently.
- 21:24SPEAKER_00: It makes clear that Navalny enjoyed a warm Christian faith,
- 21:26SPEAKER_00: Navalny's memoir does,
- 21:27SPEAKER_00: and he did consider his Christian faith coherent with his own persistent opposition
- 21:30SPEAKER_00: to the evils of Vladimir Putin's government.
- 21:53SPEAKER_00: But I'm not sure Navalny should count as evidence
- 21:56SPEAKER_00: that Christianity makes someone good because Navalny was raised an atheist.
- 22:04SPEAKER_00: You know, the godless communists and all that.
- 22:06SPEAKER_00: And he came to Christianity after his career in activism had begun.
- 22:13SPEAKER_00: It wasn't Christianity that made him good.
- 22:17SPEAKER_00: Was it atheism?
- 22:20SPEAKER_00: Finally, last example.
- 22:23SPEAKER_00: I think of Malcolm X.
- 22:25SPEAKER_00: He was raised as a Christian,
- 22:28SPEAKER_00: and during the first half of his life he was, I think it is fair to say, a scumbag.
- 22:34SPEAKER_00: He went to prison,
- 22:35SPEAKER_00: where scumbags sometimes find themselves,
- 22:39SPEAKER_00: and in prison he converted to an unusual form of Islam, the Nation of Islam.
- 22:46SPEAKER_00: Did the Nation of Islam make Malcolm X good?
- 22:53SPEAKER_00: That's a difficult question.
- 22:55SPEAKER_00: I don't know what you think of Malcolm X's politics or his brand
- 23:00SPEAKER_00: of civil rights activism, if that's what you call it.
- 23:04SPEAKER_00: But I will say this,
- 23:06SPEAKER_00: among the most prominent civil rights leaders in the 1960s,
- 23:11SPEAKER_00: Malcolm X would be my nomination for the most pious,
- 23:16SPEAKER_00: the most dedicated to personal holiness
- 23:23SPEAKER_00: Does Christianity make you good?
- 23:27SPEAKER_00: I hope I have illustrated that the question entails complexities.
- 23:33SPEAKER_00: And we haven't even explored what the term good means and who gets to decide.
- 23:40SPEAKER_00: That question is certainly worth exploring as Socrates does in Plato's Republic
- 23:47SPEAKER_00: and Aristotle in the Nicomachean Ethics.
- 23:51SPEAKER_00: But assuming for the moment that we are in a position to judge the good,
- 23:56SPEAKER_00: that our own moral formation has enlightened us on this score so that we know
- 24:02SPEAKER_00: the good when we see it,
- 24:05SPEAKER_00: I think we've seen here that you can be good and not be a Christian,
- 24:10SPEAKER_00: perhaps an atheist,
- 24:12SPEAKER_00: perhaps a Muslim,
- 24:15SPEAKER_00: and you can be good while being a Christian,
- 24:19SPEAKER_00: and you can be a Christian while And a pretty terrible person.
- 24:26SPEAKER_00: But there is more to say.
- 24:29SPEAKER_00: I'm grateful that Frederick Douglass had more to say on Christianity than simply
- 24:34SPEAKER_00: that it made his master worse.
- 24:38SPEAKER_00: And we'll want to pay close attention to his comments.
- 24:41SPEAKER_00: And we should consider again that Christian pastor who refused to take in
- 24:47SPEAKER_00: the Jewish infant when approached by Corrie Ten Boom.
- 24:52SPEAKER_00: But let me remind you of two points before closing the current episode.
- 25:00SPEAKER_00: There is a Christian doctrine of sanctification,
- 25:04SPEAKER_00: which entails that you should grow in your likeness to Christ.
- 25:11SPEAKER_00: The entire point of Christianity is for us to be conformed to Christ,
- 25:15SPEAKER_00: to become increasingly Christ-like.
- 25:20SPEAKER_00: If you want a proof text, see Romans 8 verse 29 or Galatians 4 verse 19.
- 25:27SPEAKER_00: But really the entire Bible is on this theme.
- 25:32SPEAKER_00: Again, let me just say the phrase fruit of the spirit.
- 25:40SPEAKER_00: We are grateful for examples like Casper Ten Boom, who shows us that such growth is possible.
- 25:52SPEAKER_00: Second, the Bible talks about the possibility that we might quench the spirit.
- 26:00SPEAKER_00: That's 1 Thessalonians 5.19.
- 26:03SPEAKER_00: It seems obvious to me that Frederick Douglass' enslaver had done this exact thing.
- 26:10SPEAKER_00: And others whom I've mentioned here,
- 26:14SPEAKER_00: we will want to talk about ways of allowing the Spirit to do its work.
- 26:23SPEAKER_00: Becoming a Christian does not mean that you're a good person or even
- 26:29SPEAKER_00: that you're becoming a good person.
- 26:33SPEAKER_00: It does mean that over the course of years,
- 26:36SPEAKER_00: you ought to To become a better person than you have been,
- 26:42SPEAKER_00: but it very well might not have this desired effect.
- 26:48SPEAKER_00: As the martyr Stephen reminds us,
- 26:52SPEAKER_00: there are many religious people who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart
- 27:00SPEAKER_00: and ears and who make it a habit to resist the Holy Spirit This is
- 27:08SPEAKER_00: the fate we would like to avoid, this hostility toward God.
- 27:15SPEAKER_00: We'll consider this point next time.