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Bucky Brooks Shares Final Thoughts Ahead of 2024 NFL Draft | Huddle Up · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast. Today is Tuesday, April
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  Speaker 1: twenty third, J P. Shadwick, John Ozer from the Honday Studios,
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  Speaker 1: and Bucky Brooks is in Los Angeles. Draft week is
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  Speaker 1: upon us. It's Tuesday, The draft begins Thursday, and the
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  Speaker 1: dot com slash Draft Party. It is the week of
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  Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. You cannot turn on a television anywhere and
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  Speaker 1: not see his smiling face. And this is.
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  Speaker 2: Your super Bowl. Bucky is finally here.
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  Speaker 3: He is finally here. I'm really excited about the week.
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  Speaker 4: I'm excited about what is going to happen over the
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  Speaker 4: three day weekend Thursday, Friday Saturday, seeing what all these
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  Speaker 4: players go. I'm more importantly seeing who the Jaguars able
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  Speaker 4: to pick up the able the squad.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we're here, JP, we were talking about it.
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  Speaker 5: I kind of leave the pre draft dig de Bucky
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  Speaker 5: if you follow me. Like knowing all the players, I'm
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  Speaker 5: more fascinated I guess by how this team's thinking going
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  Speaker 5: into it, sort of what their strategy is. I gave
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  Speaker 5: up a long time ago, trying to grade a draft
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  Speaker 5: right aftercause I don't know enough about the players how
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  Speaker 5: they're going to translate. What I do like to look
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  Speaker 5: at is did they stick to a plan? What did
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  Speaker 5: they try to get accomplished going in? You know, did
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  Speaker 5: they try to use their capital? How that sort of
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  Speaker 5: thing played out. So that's what I'll sort of be
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  Speaker 5: watching this week.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's especially from the jack's perspective. They did
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  Speaker 1: a lot of work in free agency this year to
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  Speaker 1: fill some holes. We talked about that obviously, so it
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  Speaker 1: kind of sets up some possibilities. There's always the talk
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  Speaker 1: of possibly moving up or moving back in the draft.
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  Speaker 1: Trent Balk does that a lot, especially in the later rounds,
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  Speaker 1: or at least in his past, has been known to
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  Speaker 1: do that. So all that conversations out there this week
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  Speaker 1: too as well, Bucky. So I mean, this is the
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  Speaker 1: week though. Up to this point, all these rumors are
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  Speaker 1: just rumors. So at what point do some of these
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  Speaker 1: rumors become real life in pre draft talk.
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  Speaker 5: I'll tell you when the card turns in. When the
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  Speaker 5: cards turned.
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  Speaker 4: In, Yeah, the rumors and speculation begins to kind of
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  Speaker 4: become real once you get to middle of Wednesday to
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  Speaker 4: day before the draft. That's when you can get on
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  Speaker 4: a hone end right now, I'll be honest with you,
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  Speaker 4: Everyone with their teams is kind of like put your
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  Speaker 4: own ghosts. Your text and your phone calls are unanswered.
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  Speaker 4: So a lot of it is people trying to connect
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  Speaker 4: the dot somehow. When we get within twenty four hours
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  Speaker 4: of the draft, then it kind of opens up. You
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  Speaker 4: begin to get real information. But the last week or so,
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  Speaker 4: it's just been a lot of just hodgepots throwing stuff
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  Speaker 4: on the wall to see what's stick.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, let me ask you this to me. For the Jags,
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  Speaker 5: this off season has felt, I guess as much as
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  Speaker 5: possible as sort of pushing everything to the table. And
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  Speaker 5: maybe it's because they went after free agency so hard.
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  Speaker 5: But does that translate does that extend to the draft
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  Speaker 5: in the sense of if you're all in, if you
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  Speaker 5: think you need to go get better, improve positions, does
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  Speaker 5: that mean you give up future equity to try to
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  Speaker 5: move up? I mean, is it that extreme? And is
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  Speaker 5: this franchise in a place where you want to do that.
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  Speaker 4: You know what's funny is the analytics community would tell
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  Speaker 4: you that it's never beneficial to move up because what
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  Speaker 4: you're giving up is typically not enough to offset what
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  Speaker 4: you're going to get back in.
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  Speaker 3: Terms of the player.
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  Speaker 4: Normally, the players that are closely graded is not substantial
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  Speaker 4: enough in terms of the talent disparity to allow you
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  Speaker 4: to make you want to give up multiple picks in
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  Speaker 4: those things.
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  Speaker 3: For the player.
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  Speaker 4: I would say this, I think situation where the Jaguars
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  Speaker 4: have to be honest, look at themselves and say, here's
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  Speaker 4: where we are at. Here are the needs that we
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  Speaker 4: need to address. Here's what we attack them free agency.
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  Speaker 4: Let's try and get the best player available that also
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  Speaker 4: fits a position and need where we're not stretching our
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  Speaker 4: sales to get the player, but we're getting a player
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  Speaker 4: that is worthy of being drafted at that pick, but
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  Speaker 4: he also feels the need that we definitly need to
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  Speaker 4: make sure that we address.
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  Speaker 5: But doesn't the analytics sometimes go out the window. If
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  Speaker 5: you're sitting at seventeen and you think there's only three
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  Speaker 5: wide receivers and you've got to get up to eight
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  Speaker 5: to get one, and you isn't that where sort of
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  Speaker 5: the analytics sometimes that goes out the window, and your
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  Speaker 5: windows shopping and you really love that gold watch.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, now, it has worked out in the past
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  Speaker 3: for some.
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  Speaker 4: People, like I think about the Atlanta Falcons.
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  Speaker 3: Moving up to get Julio Jones. But you better make
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  Speaker 3: sure that that player he better be good, go exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Type player, he better be good, because when you give
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  Speaker 4: up a lot of capital and that player is not,
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  Speaker 4: you're a Dennis. It's an issue. And remember this, the
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  Speaker 4: first round is really a coin flip. I mean, you're
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  Speaker 4: talking about a fifty to maybe sixty percent hit rate
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  Speaker 4: in terms of star power. So you're already at a
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  Speaker 4: situation where it's random, and now you're giving up other
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  Speaker 4: stuff to take a pick that's still not guaranteed to
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  Speaker 4: be what you want it to be.
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  Speaker 3: It's tough.
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  Speaker 4: I think Walky, though, has shown that he'll move around
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  Speaker 4: the board for players that he identifies as guys that
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  Speaker 4: he wants that he thinks to come in and address
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  Speaker 4: the situation.
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  Speaker 3: I just think in this draft, in particular, the first two,
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  Speaker 3: two and a half three rounds of solid. After that
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  Speaker 3: there's a huge drop off, and so if you are
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  Speaker 3: going to give up picks, this might.
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  Speaker 4: Be the year to give up some of those later
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  Speaker 4: round picks because of the COVID back up and all
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  Speaker 4: that other stuff. The latter part of the draft is
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  Speaker 4: not as strong as it has been in the past.
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  Speaker 1: And I would say this too, and I'm bucky you
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  Speaker 1: have a better idea of this. If you're moving up
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  Speaker 1: in the first round to that high for that kind
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  Speaker 1: of player, it's not to GM's decision. This is going
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  Speaker 1: to be a full organizational conversation about the future and
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  Speaker 1: what picks and why we're giving them up and what's
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  Speaker 1: the return. And it's not just one person's call at
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  Speaker 1: that point.
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  Speaker 5: Did you know who gets blamed.
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  Speaker 2: That's that one person gets blamed.
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, because like that one person might be initiating
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  Speaker 4: the discussion to give up or to mortgage the future
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  Speaker 4: for a player. And look at and at times it
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  Speaker 4: has worked out, like normally you want to do those things.
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  Speaker 3: For like a big time quarterback or a player at
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  Speaker 3: a premium position. Those premium positions are.
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  Speaker 4: Quarterback, pass rusher, cornerback, or like one of you guys
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  Speaker 4: now we're talking about like an offensive tackle or an
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  Speaker 4: offensive playmaker like a pass catcher.
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  Speaker 3: But if it's.
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  Speaker 4: Outside of that that that marquee position, then you better.
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  Speaker 3: Serve to just kind of sit and wait and just
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  Speaker 3: kind of let the ball the board fall.
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  Speaker 1: To Huddle Up podcast JP Shadwick, John Hosier and Bucky Brooks.
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  Speaker 1: All Right the GM Bucky, it is Tuesday, ahead of
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  Speaker 1: Thursday's first round. Is your board set and finished? And
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  Speaker 1: what's next on your checklist the next two days?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Now, the board should have been done like before the combine.
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  Speaker 4: You shouldn't have a lot of movement once you see
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  Speaker 4: these guys work out because the good scouts are the
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  Speaker 4: ones that evaluate everything off the tape. And the last
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  Speaker 4: game was played early January, so there hasn't been another
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  Speaker 4: football game playing That should sway your opinion. Yeah, you're
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  Speaker 4: trying to look at the combine and prody workouts to
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  Speaker 4: help you kind of rearrange the order of similar graded
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  Speaker 4: or closely graded players. But it shouldn't be these massive
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  Speaker 4: swings about.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, this players in the first round there is in
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  Speaker 3: the third round. It shouldn't really work like that. What
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  Speaker 3: is going on for me personally?
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  Speaker 4: Like you're just going back, you're reviewing your notes, You're
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  Speaker 4: making sure that the players that you have in order.
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  Speaker 3: When you read the report, it sounds.
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  Speaker 4: Like a player that you really like. The problems that
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  Speaker 4: you have is when you look at these guys at
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  Speaker 4: different times. You can't watch them all at the same time.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes there's a guy that you've given a higher grade
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  Speaker 4: to than what the verbiage in your report is.
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  Speaker 3: So you just want to match all those things up.
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  Speaker 4: In the building, the Jaguards are making all the phone calls,
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  Speaker 4: calling all the agents, calling all the players, make sure
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  Speaker 4: they have the right numbers, making sure they know exactly
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  Speaker 4: where they're gonna be on draft weekend so when they
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  Speaker 4: do make the call, they can get in contact with them.
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  Speaker 4: Because you cannot draft somebody that you don't make contact
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  Speaker 4: with first. That is a major no no. That's the
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  Speaker 4: golden rule. Got to talk to him before you're handing
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  Speaker 4: the card. Why, because you don't want to draft any
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  Speaker 4: dead guy.
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  Speaker 3: That iscare's the thing.
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  Speaker 4: You want to make sure that the person is alive
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  Speaker 4: and well, that he's healthy, he hasn't been involved in
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  Speaker 4: an incident, an accident or anything like that.
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  Speaker 3: But you want to make sure you talk to him.
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  Speaker 4: You ask him how you're doing, You're doing okay, any
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  Speaker 4: injuries were good.
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  Speaker 3: But by the hand of the card and take.
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  Speaker 4: So that is why it's important to have the right
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  Speaker 4: information because you cannot submit a card on a player
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  Speaker 4: that you have not talked to.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, there's gotta be there's got to be an
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  Speaker 1: example of this somewhere where the player has been like,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, Yeah, I left something out.
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  Speaker 4: If he's in the toilet, it would be and he
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  Speaker 4: needs to get out of the toilet because you gotta
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  Speaker 4: talk to him. I think years ago the Raiders, the
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  Speaker 4: Raiders may have drafted a person who was deceitd and
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  Speaker 4: so that is why it's.
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  Speaker 3: Really important that you talk to everybody. You want to
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  Speaker 3: make sure you talk to him. You have good numbers
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  Speaker 3: on them, and look both and those guys will tell
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  Speaker 3: you you.
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  Speaker 4: Not only have two numbers on every player, but you
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  Speaker 4: have two numbers and the agent's number. So you have
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  Speaker 4: the primary number that should be their cell phone. Then
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  Speaker 4: it may be a house number that you can ring.
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  Speaker 4: If you can't get in contact with him on the
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  Speaker 4: cell phone, then the last ditch effort is to make
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  Speaker 4: sure that you talk to the agent.
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  Speaker 3: And so the last yeah, the agent should add if
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't know where they're at. Problem.
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  Speaker 4: But so the last couple of weeks when you heard
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  Speaker 4: about players, oh, I've talked to this team and that team.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of times those conversations are not real conversations
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  Speaker 4: about a we're gonna pick you, is more so making
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  Speaker 4: sure is this number good?
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  Speaker 3: Right? We may call you a draft weekend.
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  Speaker 5: That's where I go, Bucky take me through the process
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  Speaker 5: of It's always fascinated me because it seems so impossible
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  Speaker 5: to do, but I know gms try to do it.
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  Speaker 5: Of trying to do multiple mocks before the draft, just
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  Speaker 5: to get a feel for how the board's gonna play out,
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  Speaker 5: sort of the draft rehearsals, just to get familiar with
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  Speaker 5: what you think might happen. I know I was with
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  Speaker 5: the Colts. They did a lot of those the last
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  Speaker 5: weeks before the draft. Were basically trying to find different
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  Speaker 5: people's mocks to see how they might play out if
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  Speaker 5: the board fell one way during the first round, trying
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  Speaker 5: to identify what other teams might do, just so they
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  Speaker 5: didn't feel unfamiliar once it started. I think, you know
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  Speaker 5: what I'm getting at. What's the point of that? So
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  Speaker 5: how hard is it to do? How complex is it?
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  Speaker 4: So we would call that mocking the mock, and so
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  Speaker 4: what you do in the in the back of your
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  Speaker 4: draft room.
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  Speaker 3: When I was with the Carolina.
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  Speaker 4: Panthers, we had a board that had all of the
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  Speaker 4: mock drafts from like the top eight prominent writers or
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  Speaker 4: experts that we felt like were the best at doing
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  Speaker 4: the mock drafts. Guys who had real information, Guys who
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  Speaker 4: kind of had an ear in various buildings. So it
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  Speaker 4: may be a male chiaper topic shed at the time
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  Speaker 4: now would be Dane Jeremiah, et cetera. So you would
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  Speaker 4: have all those mock drafts their latest iterations.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of up on a magnet board in the back.
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  Speaker 4: And what you're doing is you're trying to assess any
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  Speaker 4: patterns because you always believe that guys who are doing
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  Speaker 4: mock drafts they have some inside information, and as you
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  Speaker 4: get closer to the draft, some of those names are
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  Speaker 4: real names, and so.
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  Speaker 3: You're looking at it a few different ways.
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  Speaker 4: You're looking at, Okay, what names are in the first
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  Speaker 4: round that we see all the time, because then you've
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  Speaker 4: got a general assessment of, Okay, these guys are probably
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  Speaker 4: gonna go in the first round. The other thing that
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  Speaker 4: you're looking for are patterns where you see the same
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  Speaker 4: name tied to the same team, and if you see
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  Speaker 4: this over while that information is coming from somewhere, so
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  Speaker 4: you begin to believe it. After you do those things,
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  Speaker 4: you then assign, like say you have eight area scouts
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  Speaker 4: in the room, you may give all of those guys
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  Speaker 4: four teams.
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  Speaker 3: And then we're gonna run a draft, and we run.
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  Speaker 4: A mock draft, and the first guy takes the first pick,
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  Speaker 4: and if anything is thrown off, then it puts us
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  Speaker 4: in the mode of, hey, what we do if all
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  Speaker 4: of a sudden, these guys are.
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  Speaker 3: Available at our pick. We hadn't thought.
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  Speaker 4: About it, but these guys could be available. Because all
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  Speaker 4: it takes is one guy to do something that is
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  Speaker 4: unexpected on draft day, and so as a decision maker,
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  Speaker 4: you want to run through those various scenarios. So when
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  Speaker 4: you're live and on the clock those fifteen minutes, you've
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  Speaker 4: already rehearsed what you would do.
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  Speaker 3: You've already kind of thought about every.
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  Speaker 4: Conceivable situation circumstance that hey, i'm here, we're on the clock.
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  Speaker 3: This is what we're going to do. If these are
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  Speaker 3: the players that are available.
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  Speaker 4: And if you don't have any players that you like,
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  Speaker 4: then you say we're going to trade back. But you
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  Speaker 4: want to have those conversations ahead of time. So now
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  Speaker 4: on draft day, the room is calm and we just
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  Speaker 4: execute a plan.
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  Speaker 3: You don't get outside of yourself.
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  Speaker 4: So it's no different than when coach Peterson is talking
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  Speaker 4: to the players about, Hey, just execute the play, don't
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  Speaker 4: try and do too much. The same thing happens in
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  Speaker 4: the draft room. Hey, scouts, decision makers, let's just do
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  Speaker 4: what we practice. Let's not get outside of the sales
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  Speaker 4: and make a decision based on the research that we've had.
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  Speaker 5: And that's mostly round one. And then later on you're
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  Speaker 5: going off your board more a little bit, but like.
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  Speaker 4: Round two, like sold because we now have three days.
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  Speaker 4: So at the end of the first round, at the
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  Speaker 4: end of Thursday, you have a little meeting Thursday night
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  Speaker 4: with all the scouts. You kind of talked about, Hey,
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  Speaker 4: who's on the board. Let's begin to talk about what
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  Speaker 4: the second round could look like. Then you come in
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  Speaker 4: early on Friday and you'll start scrimmaging through some of
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  Speaker 4: those thoughts all over again.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, these guys are available. We didn't think this guy
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  Speaker 3: would be available in the second round.
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  Speaker 4: Is it anybody that we need to get up. Do
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  Speaker 4: we like what's available where we're picking, Do we feel
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  Speaker 4: like we need to move.
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  Speaker 3: Up or down the board, how do we want to
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  Speaker 3: play it?
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  Speaker 4: So Thursday night, but really Friday will be how do
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  Speaker 4: you attack day two? The second and third round, and
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  Speaker 4: then the final part of is on Saturday when you're
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  Speaker 4: four through seven.
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  Speaker 3: It's the same thing. Hey, let's look it up board.
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  Speaker 3: Let's look at who's available.
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  Speaker 4: Are there anybody that are kind of like the blinking lights?
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  Speaker 4: Someone that we had a second round grade on, but
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  Speaker 4: for whatever reason, we're hitting.
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  Speaker 3: The fourth round. This guy's available. What's going on.
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  Speaker 4: Let's do some phone calls. Let's make sure that we
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  Speaker 4: don't have bad information. Maybe there was an injury, maybe
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  Speaker 4: there was a last minute character.
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  Speaker 3: Deal that came up that we didn't have.
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  Speaker 4: We just want to make sure. But if he's up
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  Speaker 4: there and we still like him, hey, the beginning of
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  Speaker 4: the fourth round, we need to take this guy. So
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  Speaker 4: a lot of it is just continue to work through
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  Speaker 4: the plan in the scenarios. Each day requires a different
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  Speaker 4: game plan under an overall philosophy of how are we
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  Speaker 4: going to attack the draft and what do we want
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  Speaker 4: to come out of.
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  Speaker 3: The draft whip.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we're back in just a moment with final
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  Speaker 2: It should be a nice crowd Thursday night and Matt Bite.
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  Speaker 1: The Jags will be at least going into the draft seventeenth.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, where.
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  Speaker 1: How many quarterbacks are going early ahead of the Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: and how could that help shift some players down?
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  Speaker 2: Buck?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so you talk about quarterbacks passers, I think when
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  Speaker 4: it's all sitting done, the first three that we've always
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  Speaker 4: talked about since the beginning.
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  Speaker 3: Are going to go one, two and three, and so.
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  Speaker 4: In whatever order to be Kayla Williams one, then Drake
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  Speaker 4: may or Jayden Daniels will be two and three. After that,
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  Speaker 4: the conversation then shifts to when is JJ McCarthy going
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  Speaker 4: because he is the next domino to drop, will someone
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  Speaker 4: trade up with the Giants, make a move with the Minnesota.
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  Speaker 3: Vikings feel compelled to make a move and take him.
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  Speaker 4: And then the wild card, I would say is either
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  Speaker 4: Bownecks or Michael Pennick.
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  Speaker 3: If one of those guys go well for the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 4: Pick well, then it's gonna be a really some some
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  Speaker 4: blue chip players available at seventeen, they were not expected
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  Speaker 4: to be there. So whether that is one of the
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  Speaker 4: cornerbacks when you're Mitchell Tarr and Arnold, one of the
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  Speaker 4: interior players, maybe Byron Murphy, Johnny Newton from Illinois, they
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  Speaker 4: may be available or it might just be like a
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  Speaker 4: brock Bowers sliding because whatever reason tied in in the position,
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  Speaker 4: so it can be wide open for the Jaguars, so
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  Speaker 4: they can go in with a plan to think about, hey, we.
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  Speaker 3: Want to attack this area here where there's cornerback or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: But then they have to be nimble enough to take
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  Speaker 4: the best player that is there, particularly if it's a
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  Speaker 4: blue chip player that people had high grades on that
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  Speaker 4: they're like, man, we didn't think this guys will be there,
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  Speaker 4: but he's too good for us to pass up at seventeen.
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  Speaker 5: Hey buck, Yeah, I happen to believe that they need
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  Speaker 5: cornerback to play at a high level right now out
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  Speaker 5: of this draft? How long can they wait to get that?
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  Speaker 5: Is it forty eight? If they don't pick it at
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  Speaker 5: do they have to move up? Because it feels to
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  Speaker 5: me like they're in a little bit of a we
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  Speaker 5: needed at seventeen, But boy do we love Byron Murphy
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  Speaker 5: now that he's there. We didn't expect him. Debit you
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  Speaker 5: follow me?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, follow you?
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  Speaker 4: So the good thing is a cornerback. I would say
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  Speaker 4: cornerback is one of the deepest positions in the draft.
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  Speaker 4: Now some will debate, like where that line come to
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  Speaker 4: drops off, but I would tell you that there are
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  Speaker 4: a lot of starting cornerbacks that can be taken in
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  Speaker 4: the first or second round. The interior pool, interior defended
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  Speaker 4: pool is a little shallower. So when you think about
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  Speaker 4: the defensive tackles. To me, there are two first rounders
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  Speaker 4: on the inside. There's Byron Murphy and then there's Jerson
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  Speaker 4: Newton from Illinois. Those are the two that we can
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  Speaker 4: kind of say are rock solid first round talents on
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  Speaker 4: the inside. After that it falls off because then you
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  Speaker 4: have Raydon Fists from Florida State, you have Brandon Doriless
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  Speaker 4: from Oregon who could be available, and then after that.
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  Speaker 3: It's a significant drop off.
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  Speaker 4: So if the Jaguars said that, hey, we want to
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  Speaker 4: put another defensive tackle into the rotation and buyer Murphy
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  Speaker 4: or Newton of there, then they can have their conversation.
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  Speaker 3: Hey man, we just we need to make the move.
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  Speaker 3: We need to make the move.
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  Speaker 4: We need to take them, and then we can come
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  Speaker 4: back in the second round and find a corner that
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  Speaker 4: can kind of.
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  Speaker 3: Fit the style of play that we want to play.
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  Speaker 4: The other thing that's important when we talked about corner
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  Speaker 4: about there's been a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Of conversation about Quinnon, Mitchell, Chari.
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  Speaker 4: And Arnold, which won Nate Wiggins, which one is really
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  Speaker 4: the best fit.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's really important for everyone to go back
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  Speaker 3: and listen to Ryan Nelson.
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  Speaker 4: Talk about how they want to play on the outside.
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  Speaker 4: They talked about playing bumping, run, nose to nose, taking
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  Speaker 4: away the layups and doing those things.
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  Speaker 3: They talked about giving a man look, but it's really
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  Speaker 3: a zone and so there's a huge difference between man
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  Speaker 3: the man corners and zone corners.
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  Speaker 4: Zone corners have to play with great vision, great eyes.
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  Speaker 4: They can be a little slower, but you're trading off
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  Speaker 4: some of the athleticism for instincts and ball skills and awareness,
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  Speaker 4: whereas man demand guys are man.
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  Speaker 3: I'm nosedose.
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  Speaker 4: My odds are on my man the entire way, So
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  Speaker 4: I need to have supreme.
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  Speaker 3: Athleticism, and I'm willing to give up some of the
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  Speaker 3: instincts and ball skills because.
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  Speaker 4: He's gonna have his back to the quarterback seventy five
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  Speaker 4: percent of the time, so he's going to register a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of knockdowns that interception, So that is important to distinguish.
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  Speaker 3: And we will learn a.
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  Speaker 4: Lot about how the Jaguars want to play based on
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  Speaker 4: the players that they pick on Thursday, Friday and Saturday,
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  Speaker 4: because that will kind of let us know if we're
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  Speaker 4: gonna be a man team or his own two.
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  Speaker 2: There you have it.
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  Speaker 1: The approach going into the twenty twenty four NFL Draft.
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  Speaker 1: It's coming up Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Of course, swallow Wall
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  Speaker 1: coverage on Jaguars dot Com will be live after most
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  Speaker 1: every pick that the Jaguars make throughout all three days.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up tomorrow, John's Jaggs AM in the afternoon though
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  Speaker 1: Jags Am not.
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  Speaker 2: A Jags PM.
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  Speaker 5: Jags PM.
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  Speaker 1: I suppose that'll be with Brian Sexton in Detroit where
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  Speaker 1: the draft will be this year at Kay Stevens. John
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  Speaker 1: Os will be here in studio, and then of course Thursday,
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour four o'clock Bucky with the normal show.
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  Speaker 1: Tony Biselli will jump on with us on that day,
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  Speaker 1: and then seven point thirty the pre draft show on
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars dot Com jag Social and then of course post
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  Speaker 1: pick coverage after the first round picking, and Bucky, I
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  Speaker 1: know you'll be joining usptnically throughout the week.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I may be on some of the
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  Speaker 4: A whatever AM, that's PM show, and maybe Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 3: That won't really be Happy Hour because there won't be
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  Speaker 3: any wings and things where I'm at, but yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: think I'm gonna be. I think i'll be.
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  Speaker 4: I'll beat you one of you guys, and I'm excited
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  Speaker 4: to see. Let me add one thing because we talked
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  Speaker 4: about i spent a lot of time on dB and
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  Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of stuff on Twitter and X.
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  Speaker 3: Our fans are really worried about the wide.
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  Speaker 4: Receiver position, and there's a lot of speculation about seventeen.
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  Speaker 4: We got to go up and get Brian Thomas Junior
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  Speaker 4: or are they gonna take ad Na Mitchell and those guys.
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  Speaker 4: I do believe the Jags will address the wide receiver position.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't expect it to be the first round.
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  Speaker 4: I would be more inclined to think that someone like
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  Speaker 4: a Ricky Pierso from Florida, someone like a Lab McConkie
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  Speaker 4: if he happens to be available in the second round,
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  Speaker 4: Roman Wilson, Malakai Corley, those guys could be more fit.
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  Speaker 4: And we talked about it last week. I think the
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  Speaker 4: wide receivers that are gonna be targeted are not only
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  Speaker 4: going to be really good route runners, but I think
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  Speaker 4: there's gonna be a premium placed on high IQ.
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  Speaker 3: Very instinctive playmakers.
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  Speaker 4: This offense is one that is I would say, is
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  Speaker 4: more of a thinking man's offense because they want to
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  Speaker 4: be interchangeable.
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  Speaker 3: I think what they would like to do is.
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  Speaker 4: Make sure that they have a bunch of high IQ
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  Speaker 4: players that can play multiple positions to make it work.
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  Speaker 4: In the event that Zay Jones is unavailable at Christian
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  Speaker 4: Kirk or whatever, that they can just.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of move the lineup around and allow the offense
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  Speaker 3: to still have production up moving to pieces.
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  Speaker 4: In place the best, create the mismatches that they want
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  Speaker 4: them a glimmer, you have it.
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  Speaker 2: It's done.
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  Speaker 3: I agree.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of high i Q, that's this podcast. Here you
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  Speaker 2: what we do.
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  Speaker 5: It's it's Q.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is an IK kind of meeting. Got a
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  Speaker 2: more Bucky, We'll talk to you later in the week. Man,
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: You guys.
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  Speaker 2: That's Bucky Brooks, John osra M J P.
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  Speaker 1: Shadwick are Thanks to Brent Reaper and Joe Fortunado, and
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  Speaker 1: thanks to you for listening to the Huddle Up Podcast.