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Kris Versteeg Remembers Barry Melrose: Buium and Minten Get Paid, Marchy Being Marchy and Kreider Moves On. · NHL Unscripted with Virk and Demers

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  Speaker 1: NHL Unscripted is a production of the NHL and iHeart Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up on NHL Unscripted, episode number 97. That's right.
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  Speaker 2: We're just a week away from training camp, and it's
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  Speaker 2: time to dig into the nitty-gritty of this NHL season.
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  Speaker 1: Our special guest, Chris Versteeg, is going to join us.
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  Speaker 3: Also.
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  Speaker 2: cray baby chris crider is now moving on should it
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  Speaker 2: be cry baby cray baby not only his fault i
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  Speaker 2: think it's just been money city leaving really echoing my
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  Speaker 2: man jordan belfort the wolf of wall street i ain't
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  Speaker 2: going anywhere sydney crosby staying.
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  Speaker 1: As long as he wants to and plus.
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  Speaker 2: Booyah as the canucks lock up their guy big time
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  Speaker 2: but Training camp is a week away. It's Adnan Virk
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  Speaker 2: and Jason Demers. Nate Thompson is going to join us
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  Speaker 2: for the Christopher Stieg interview. He is on assignment right
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  Speaker 2: now in Alaska, his native Alaska, mystery Alaska.
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  Speaker 1: But I ask you this, J.D., I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Always curious, the mindset of a player, training camp a
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  Speaker 2: week away. Are you cramming in one last trip to Cabos?
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  Speaker 1: Are you going to the beach? Are you seeing friends?
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  Speaker 2: Or are you already locking in saying, no, no, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to be in incredible shape? Right out of the gate,
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  Speaker 2: the boys are going to go, wow, Demers showed up
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  Speaker 2: as if training camp was a month ago.
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  Speaker 3: Training camp, you know, this is the most interesting part
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  Speaker 3: of the year because as I got older, I'd like
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  Speaker 3: to go to camp and go to the city that
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  Speaker 3: I was playing in earlier and earlier. I'd go probably
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  Speaker 3: like a month before. Some guys are different. Some guys
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  Speaker 3: show up two days before camp because they like the
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  Speaker 3: situation they have where they're training. You know, usually the
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  Speaker 3: last month is the month where you're dialed in. You
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  Speaker 3: are fully ready to get off to a good start because,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you got training camp. It's a lot. that's
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  Speaker 3: comes very quickly and then now with the extended season
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  Speaker 3: we're going to have at 84 games on top of
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  Speaker 3: a shorter preseason you've really got to have your all
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  Speaker 3: your eggs in one basket in the sense of like
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  Speaker 3: you got to be ready to go you got to
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  Speaker 3: be ready once once they say start because it's not
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  Speaker 3: you're not you're not going to have a lot of
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  Speaker 3: runway to really take off the plane and I've thrown
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of just awful analogies all in a row
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  Speaker 3: there but you're not going to be able to You're
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  Speaker 3: not going to be able to have a good start
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  Speaker 3: to the season if you're not ready and it starts now.
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  Speaker 3: And it's so funny because I tweeted about it today
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  Speaker 3: that I feel like this is my favorite part of
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  Speaker 3: the summer now being outside of hockey and not playing
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  Speaker 3: on a team is that this is when everybody's their
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  Speaker 3: most optimistic. Yes. Media, fans, organizations, everybody comes in. There's
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  Speaker 3: at least one guy that comes in. Every team's going
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  Speaker 3: to say, this guy came in best shape of his life.
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  Speaker 3: I'm in the best shape of my life. It's like
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  Speaker 3: no shit, dipshit. I hope you are. You're in the NHL.
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  Speaker 3: But I said everybody's like the Price is Right yodeler.
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  Speaker 1: Yodeler, yodeler, yodeler. I love the yodeler.
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  Speaker 3: Yodeler. And then who's going to be the teams that
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  Speaker 3: just fall off the cliff and who are going to
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  Speaker 3: be the ones that just kind of keep climbing? And
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  Speaker 3: it's ones that are more ready, the ones that are prepared,
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  Speaker 3: the ones that are going to have to adjust on
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  Speaker 3: the fly to this short and preseason and longer NHL
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  Speaker 3: regular season. But One thing's for certain, it's going to
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  Speaker 3: be an interesting year, I think, with so much turnover,
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  Speaker 3: so much change, so many big contracts. But yeah, for me,
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  Speaker 3: it was get there early, get ready, get with all
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  Speaker 3: the guys, get to dinners, and just really get that
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  Speaker 3: closeness early so that once the season starts and preseason starts,
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  Speaker 3: you guys are a fully formed team.
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  Speaker 2: Love the Price is Right analogy. Bob Barker, much better
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  Speaker 2: than skinny Drew Carey. Don't forget to get your dog
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  Speaker 2: spayed or neutered.
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  Speaker 1: He always was about controlling the pet population.
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  Speaker 3: He loved it, Bob.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But Plinko, my favorite game. That was always great to
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  Speaker 2: watch the way the chips would fall. My question is this.
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  Speaker 2: Back in the day, baseball guys would say, well, I'll
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  Speaker 2: get in Dick. I'll show up to camp 15 pounds
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  Speaker 2: overweight and I'll play myself into shape. And then by
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  Speaker 2: April 1st, I'm fine. Can you give me a hockey
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  Speaker 2: player who had a similar philosophy? He didn't necessarily show
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  Speaker 2: up overweight, but he was not raring to go.
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  Speaker 1: And he goes, don't worry, give me a month and
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  Speaker 1: I'll be good. Phil Kessel.
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  Speaker 3: But see, Kess is so funny. Like I always, this is,
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  Speaker 3: it's always a tough story. Cause it's like, it's Phil
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  Speaker 3: and I love him. But like he came to camp
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  Speaker 3: and he, You know, there's stories of Phil where, like,
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  Speaker 3: he'd come to camp out of shape. And I think
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  Speaker 3: it was in Toronto once guys were talking about it.
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  Speaker 3: And they were giving him a hard time. Like, you're
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  Speaker 3: not in shape. You're not in shape. And Phil's like, dude, like,
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  Speaker 3: he's just like, this is the way I am. I'm explosive.
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  Speaker 3: I'm strong. They started kind of razzing him about if
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  Speaker 3: he can lift heavy weight. And he's like, dude, I
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  Speaker 3: can outlift any of you. And he went to, like,
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  Speaker 3: the squat rack. And I've never seen a guy, like...
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  Speaker 3: More unassuming than Phil, lift that, push that much weight
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  Speaker 3: on like Romanian deadlifts or squats or single leg. Like,
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  Speaker 3: he's got so much power in his legs, he's got
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  Speaker 3: tree trunks when he was playing.
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  Speaker 1: Right out of the.
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  Speaker 2: Gate, Marchie being Marchie, Brady Kachak will not play his
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  Speaker 2: old teammates until October 21st on Amazon Prime Wednesday Night Hockey.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be there.
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  Speaker 2: But one of Brady's new teammates in Florida, Brad Barshan,
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  Speaker 2: already lobbing bombs at the Ottawa Senators. replying on Instagram
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  Speaker 2: to a post saying Tim Stutzla was being considered as
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  Speaker 2: Ottawa's next captain.
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  Speaker 1: Marsha went full mean girls and replied.
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  Speaker 2: Ha ha ha, Stutzla, ha ha ha. Asked about the
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  Speaker 2: comments at a recent media scrum, Stutzla said he didn't care.
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  Speaker 2: Teammate Drake Batherson said he texted Marsha asking.
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing? Is this just a fun little
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  Speaker 1: chirp or is Marsha a little out of line?
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  Speaker 3: Listen, if I'm Tim Stutzla, fuck him. Put that on
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  Speaker 3: the board. Use that as fuel. I mean, this is
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  Speaker 3: a rivalry, and your captain left and went to the
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  Speaker 3: devil of the league. He's on the enemy territory. So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you don't know, and it's always funny because
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  Speaker 3: those are the best chirps you could ever say to
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  Speaker 3: guys is when I was on the ice and you
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  Speaker 3: had a guy you didn't like on the other team,
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  Speaker 3: you'd go and tell him, you know, I'd usually skate
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  Speaker 3: by the bench and be like, dude, I talked to
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  Speaker 3: your teammates. Nobody likes you. like nobody you're a joke
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  Speaker 3: your teammates think you're a joke and you know the
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  Speaker 3: guy would usually laugh it off but you know there's
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  Speaker 3: some there's something deep inside him where he would go
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  Speaker 3: back in the room and start looking around in between
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  Speaker 3: periods looking around the room and be like who the
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  Speaker 3: fuck said that nobody likes me.
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  Speaker 1: Especially if they knew you were tight with a guy
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  Speaker 1: who was on the team.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah as soon as you knew that there was a
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  Speaker 3: guy that was like you were close with on the
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  Speaker 3: team you just go dude nobody likes you like you
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  Speaker 3: are absolutely hated you are you are nerd you're a
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  Speaker 3: loser And then you know the guy would go back
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  Speaker 3: in the room and he'd look down the bench and
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  Speaker 3: be like, what are you saying? What are you saying
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  Speaker 3: to guys? So to me, I'm like, for Tim Stutzel,
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, there's a little seed of doubt planted by
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  Speaker 3: Brad Marchand. But I think, honestly, I think people think
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  Speaker 3: Ottawa are in a much worse shape than they will be.
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  Speaker 3: I still think they have a good team. I think
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  Speaker 3: it's time for somebody to step up. I'm assuming Jake
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  Speaker 3: Sanderson's going to be named captain there. Why wouldn't you?
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  Speaker 3: He is their best player. You want to keep him,
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  Speaker 3: keep him happy. But I think Tim Stutzel's going to
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  Speaker 3: have to learn to be Tim Stutzla, not Brady Kachuk's
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  Speaker 3: line mate. And I think it's going to be, this
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  Speaker 3: is a nice bulletin board material for him.
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  Speaker 1: And he's a lead offensive player. No doubt about it.
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  Speaker 1: Stutzla should be great.
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  Speaker 2: Meantime, Booyah and Booyah, Vancouver locking up on the main
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  Speaker 2: pieces of their rebuild as Zee Booyah signs.
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  Speaker 1: An eight-year, $ 75 million contract. This guy's 20 years of age.
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  Speaker 2: Average AAV of $ 9. 38 million. He already has a world
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  Speaker 2: championship NCAA title. two world junior gold medals, so you
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  Speaker 2: know he's a winner. And he put up, I would say,
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  Speaker 2: respectable offensive numbers last season between Minnesota and Vancouver, 26
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  Speaker 2: points in 76 games. But J.D., he was also a
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  Speaker 2: minus 33, one of the worst plus-minuses in the league.
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  Speaker 2: I know some guys don't take as much stock in plus-minus.
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  Speaker 2: And I can tell you this, having done a Canucks game,
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  Speaker 2: talking to Adam Foote, who's no longer the head coach there,
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  Speaker 2: he made Booyam.
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  Speaker 1: A healthy scratch.
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  Speaker 2: And we were very despondent because we were like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we want to kind of like feature Booyam. And he's like, Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 2: I kind of had to push those guys, meaning upstairs.
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  Speaker 2: And he was like, he's not where we.
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  Speaker 1: Need him to be. And he goes, he's a good kid.
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  Speaker 1: I like him.
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  Speaker 2: But we need to see some progress. He goes, what
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  Speaker 2: happens is that you're part of these major trades for
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  Speaker 2: Quinn Hughes. And everyone says, OK, he's been anointed.
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  Speaker 1: He's the next one. Jimmy Carson traded in the Gretzky trade.
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  Speaker 1: He's the next one. It doesn't happen right away. So
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  Speaker 1: I must admit, I was kind of blown away.
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  Speaker 2: Eight years, $ 75 million. In some ways, I can tell
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  Speaker 2: you the book is still out on Zee Booyah.
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you in Vancouver, they're not going, oh
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  Speaker 1: my God, we locked up our franchise player. I think
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  Speaker 1: there's more head scratching than you might realize.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Vancouver is just an absolute, geez, it's just
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  Speaker 3: a dumpster fire of an organization right now. But, you know,
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  Speaker 3: this kind of smells a little bit like when I
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  Speaker 3: was in Arizona and they signed Clayton Keller to that
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  Speaker 3: long-term deal and everybody kind of scoffed at Keller getting,
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  Speaker 3: I think it was like seven by seven or something.
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  Speaker 3: And they were like, he's not worth it. And obviously
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  Speaker 3: I think now he's worth it and he's worth it
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  Speaker 3: times 10. I just think he's such a great player
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  Speaker 3: and a great leader. So you hope that when you
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  Speaker 3: make a deal like this with a player that he
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  Speaker 3: lives up to it, you're not obviously paying him for
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  Speaker 3: this year and next year it's down the line. And
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  Speaker 3: you're hoping that come year five or six, it's a
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  Speaker 3: discount and the cap continues to go up the way
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  Speaker 3: it does. But yeah, like I, this is the world
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  Speaker 3: that we're living in now. Can I sit here and
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  Speaker 3: be like, Oh, what was me? I should have made
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  Speaker 3: another $ 60 million when I played. Yeah, I could easily
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  Speaker 3: do that. And that would be the fun thing to do.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm not going to do that. I'm not going
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  Speaker 3: to cry. I'm going to support these young fucking lucky
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  Speaker 3: sons of bitches.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And I tell you what, I'm just gonna i met
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  Speaker 3: zeve bulliam great kid nice like i root for him
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  Speaker 3: super nice kid talked to him a little bit about
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  Speaker 3: vancouver you know said it was a difficult year in
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  Speaker 3: the sense that you know he was hoping to play
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  Speaker 3: more and he was hoping to get more responsibility i
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  Speaker 3: think you know that kind of that corroborates the story
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  Speaker 3: that you were mentioning with adam foot that he needs
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  Speaker 3: to learn and and unfortunately You can't be just given
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  Speaker 3: all the free reign in the world to do whatever
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  Speaker 3: you want. I think if you are trying to rebuild
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  Speaker 3: an organization, you have to teach and create a culture.
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  Speaker 3: So hopefully him getting pee-pee whacked is a culture thing
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  Speaker 3: for him and it teaches him to play the right way.
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  Speaker 3: But obviously ownership has decided that they don't care about
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  Speaker 3: what Adam Foote thinks of him. They're just going to
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  Speaker 3: pay him that money and hope he looks at it
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  Speaker 3: and realizes, oh yeah, I got to turn in this
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  Speaker 3: defenseman then. Everybody thinks I can be it's in there somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: I was very bullish on him at world juniors. Um,
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  Speaker 3: I looked at him and I said, this is a
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  Speaker 3: kid that could be a, you know, a poor man's
• 11:01
  Speaker 3: Quinn Hughes. Uh, I don't think this is a Quinn Hughes,
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  Speaker 3: but I think this is a guy that can be a,
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  Speaker 3: you know, 40 to 60 point player, but play good
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  Speaker 3: on both sides of the puck. I'd say over 40
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  Speaker 3: at 9 million, you better be getting 60 points a year.
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  Speaker 3: And in today's NHL and, and, I think it's something
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  Speaker 3: that he could possibly do. So the keys are firmly
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  Speaker 3: in his hands. But, I mean, it's going to be
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  Speaker 3: some lean, tough years in Vancouver coming up here. So
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  Speaker 3: I think I would temper expectations and just let him
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  Speaker 3: sit in the corner and count his millions.
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  Speaker 2: Tal, is it a massive overpay, or is this going
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  Speaker 2: to be a good investment for a young player?
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  Speaker 3: What is an overpay now?
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  Speaker 1: We don't even know.
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  Speaker 5: No one knows exactly. How's it going to look in
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  Speaker 5: five years? It might be an underpay in five years.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, what I was going to propose is that
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  Speaker 5: we may have a new metric we can use that
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  Speaker 5: we can call a bullion. Basically, if you get an extension,
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  Speaker 5: if the number of millions in your extension are roughly
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  Speaker 5: the same as the number of games you've played in
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  Speaker 5: your career, that's a bullion. So Zev Bullion played 76 games,
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  Speaker 5: gets $ 75 million.
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  Speaker 3: He's a bullion.
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  Speaker 1: That's a bullion.
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  Speaker 5: Bullion!
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  Speaker 1: Vili Koivunen plays 39 games, gets $ 32 million.
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  Speaker 6: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: That's a bullion. So there you go. We now have
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  Speaker 3: the bullion stat.
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  Speaker 1: I love the player.
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  Speaker 5: I think he could be the captain of this team
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  Speaker 5: in a few years, but that's the bullion.
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  Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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  Speaker 3: You don't think so?
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  Speaker 1: No, JD, you just said you were bullish on him,
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  Speaker 1: and now you're crapping on the fact he could be
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  Speaker 1: a captain.
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  Speaker 3: I'm bullish on him, but I don't think he's a captain.
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  Speaker 3: In like five years. Yeah, no. I think he has
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  Speaker 3: the makings of a number one. I just think can
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  Speaker 3: he get there is up to him. But I think
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  Speaker 3: he has the makings of a number one and a
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  Speaker 3: guy that can put up 60 points. He does.
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  Speaker 2: Meantime, more guys getting taken care of. Fresh Minton, the
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  Speaker 2: Boston Bruins lock up a key piece of their future.
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  Speaker 2: Frazier Minton, seven-year $ 50. 4 million extension. That's similar to the
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  Speaker 2: numbers you mentioned on Clayton Keller back in the day.
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  Speaker 2: So it's basically seven for seven. It's going to kick
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  Speaker 2: in after this season. 22-year-old center, average annual value $ 7. 2 million.
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  Speaker 2: He broke out last season in Boston after coming from
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  Speaker 2: Toronto prior to the Brandon Carlo trade. 17 goals, 35
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  Speaker 2: points in 82 games.
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  Speaker 1: So Minton and Elias Lindholm, Both locked up long-term.
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  Speaker 2: Plenty of questions about Pavel Zaka now coming off a
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  Speaker 2: 30-goal season. He's going to be a UFA next summer.
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  Speaker 2: Do you like the Minton contract, JD? And what does
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  Speaker 2: it mean for Zaka?
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  Speaker 3: Again, what is money in today's world of inflation and
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  Speaker 3: treasury buybacks? What is these millions of dollars? It's all
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  Speaker 3: the fugazi anyway. Who gives a shit at this point
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  Speaker 3: what everybody's making? It's all just numbers on a chalkboard.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I.
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  Speaker 3: I like Fraser Minton a lot. I think he really
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  Speaker 3: came into his own last year. And I do think
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  Speaker 3: that this is a guy that is a good, solid
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  Speaker 3: second line center to third line center all day long. I,
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  Speaker 3: if I'm, you know, Boston fans, I think Toronto for
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  Speaker 3: putting him in that deal and Toronto giving up on
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  Speaker 3: him because it shows you what you can turn into
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  Speaker 3: as a player when you are given a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of structure and You know, credit goes to Marco Sturm,
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  Speaker 3: what he's done with that team there and a lot
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  Speaker 3: of those players, and also when you get an opportunity
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  Speaker 3: and taking advantage of that opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: What does it mean, though, for Zaka, JD? There's only
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  Speaker 1: so much money in the kitty here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what do they got? 5.9 million left over? And,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, do they see him as the replacement for Zaka? Again,
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  Speaker 3: do I love this Boston Bruins team?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 3: They're a fun team to watch. They play a good
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  Speaker 3: brand of hockey, but are they this team that, is
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  Speaker 3: gonna is this the team that's gonna make the playoffs
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  Speaker 3: like or or contend for a playoff spot you know
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  Speaker 3: I thought last year they did a very good job
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  Speaker 3: I think a little bit of what Marco Sturm implemented
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  Speaker 3: was fresh but I think there's some other teams that
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  Speaker 3: are making a comeback this year the Florida Panthers Tampa
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: Lightning are gonna be good again Montreal Canadians are gonna
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: be good Toronto's gonna be back so where does Boston
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: fall in that and I mean You know, they got
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: Casey Middlestad as well that's coming up, so there's some
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: decisions to be made in Boston. I think I would
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: pay Pavel Zaka. I just love what he brings. So
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: I would pay him, and then you have a good two,
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: you know, him and Minton are kind of both two Cs.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: And then, you know, you look at where maybe they
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: move on from Lindholm and Elias Lindholm at 31 years old,
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: but I don't know. They're kind of meh, Boston, to me.
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: They're just a good structured team, but You know, when
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: I look at their roster and I'm, you know, back
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: end does not really give me much confidence. So do
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: you save that money for a defender? I think McAvoy
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: needs some help, but yeah, I don't.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: I like their stars though. Pasta knocks Swayman. Like I
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: feel like they're almost top heavy. Yeah.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: You got pasta Swayman McAvoy, but you need, you, you
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: can't win with one or two players. No, you know,
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: like they'll get you there and they'll steal you some
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: games in the playoffs, but they're not going to, you're
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: not going to be a team that beat a team
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: that's deep. So I do think that Zaka needs to stay.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: I like what he brings. He's a very intelligent, high
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: hockey IQ player, but I just don't know at, at
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: what expense, you know, with the cap where they're at,
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: but listen, I think there, I wouldn't be, I'm like,
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: I'm looking, I'm looking at the numbers and I'm like,
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: you know, Mason low rise up. What are you going
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: to do with Mason low ride this year? That's $ 3
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: million off the cap. Do you pay him? Pens is
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: kind of a prove-it year for him. Casey Middlestat. What's
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: Casey Middlestat going to get?
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: Seven?
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: That's about Middlestat, Zaka, and Corrales, all UFAs next summer.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Corrales is probably gone, which is fine. That's 185.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Zaka and Middlestat want seven each.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Ace Amant is going to be gone at 145. So,
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: you know, you've got $ 3 million gone, so you have
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: eight to work with. I mean, there's a realm in
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: which they can get this done, but I think Middlestat
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: and Zaka, you might have to pick your poison. Yeah.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: And take one of them.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: You know, as far as teams, I was going to
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: say the teams are going to drop off. I do
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: think the Penguins are going to drop off this season.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: The reason I mentioned this is because Sidney Crosby says
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: he wants to hang around for a lot longer.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Speaking with the athletics, Mark Lazarus, the recent NHL player
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: media tour, Crosby didn't have an update regarding his new contract,
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: current contract up next summer. And I'd like to continue
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: playing for a number of years. It's just I don't
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: know what that number is. I guess your mind and
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: body tell you that eventually.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Right now, I feel pretty good, though.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: If you're keeping track, 654 goals, 1,107 assists for 1,761
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: career points in 1,420 games. So still a point-of-game player. Obviously,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: health is a big factor, JD. If he has a
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: serious injury this year, then clearly he'll be like, okay,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: I'm done. I've got one more year after this.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: But if he continues at his pace, I don't think
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: it's out of the realm of possibility. We talked about
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: this at the Olympics. Could Sid play for one more Olympics?
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: It's not inconceivable this guy plays three or four more years.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: I think the fact that they didn't win the gold medal,
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: I think he makes a push for one more Olympics.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Retires in France.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: Just do a nice send-off at the Olympics, win gold,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: because that Olympics team in four years for Canada is
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: going to be pretty good, I think. Nice to be pretty,
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: pretty good. But no, I do it. I just think
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Sidney Crosby's kind of got like the Alex Ovechkin treatment
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: where if he wants to come back, they'll find room
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: for him. I think they have to figure out how
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: to build a team around them and find some players there.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: I think they're not going to have a great year
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: this year. They're going to be unless they surprise us
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: once again. But they have a lot of youth they
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: brought into that team. A lot of guys that kind
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: of have to prove it. I mean, Koivunen gets that deal.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming he's going to play big minutes because he
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: got four million a year for 10,000 years. They bring
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: in Nick Robertson, who's on a prove it, you know,
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Kindles on his second year. You know, you look at
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Kuzmenko Chinnikov was there last year. They're bringing him back
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: and he was very good for them. Can he repeat that? So.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: And not to mention, I think their back end's a
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: lot weaker than it was last year. So listen, I don't,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: I'm not excited for Pittsburgh this year like I was
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: last year. I don't think they make the playoffs. This
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: isn't a playoff team. And maybe sometimes losing at an
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: insane rate could make you reconsider. So maybe if they
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: have a very bad start, Sidney Crosby turns around and goes,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: you know what? Just move me. I want to win
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: a cup. Get something for me. But I think this
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: year will be tough for him, and then we'll see because, again,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: a guy of his ilk that's won on every level
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: and at every level to then all of a sudden
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: say you're in a rebuild and lose, it's probably not
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: the most exciting, entertaining idea to think of. So that
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: could maybe get him. Losing can get him out of there.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a tough pill to swallow definitely would be for
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Crosby if he's just mired in mediocrity there in Pittsburgh. Meantime,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: a lot of scuttlebutt now around Conor Halibut making his
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: trade demands public. Rare to see hockey discussed on ESPN,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: but on part of the interruption, Michael Wilbon was taking
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: shots at him. So I got one message to him
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: and his agent.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Go to hell.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: He's like, we signed you to a big-term contract. You
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: got five years up to $ 8 million a year, and
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: you got the audacity to say, no, I want out
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: of here.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: He's like, how about you play better in the playoffs?
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Again, I don't think Will Bunn's locked into the playoffs
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: like you and me, but I have been amused, J.D.,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: just how many people who don't necessarily talk hockey are
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: shitting on Connor Hellebuck. The bottom line is this. According
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: to Pierre Lebrun, Carolina, Buffalo, and Utah, all potential spots.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: As Nate Thompson told us, Sheffield AF will be unafraid
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: to pull the trigger if he needs to do it. Florida,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: by the way, would have been in the mix. Once
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: they got Brady Kachuk, obviously they moved on. I think
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Buffalo's the play. Halibut to the Sabres.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: What do you get back? You trade Halibut for what?
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: UPL and what, two of the three goalies there?
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be one of the defensemen. Now,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you can sell them on this.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: What, power?
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so own power for sure. Own power, UPL, and
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: you'll have to go forward.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: And you go Yuri Kulik? Sure. or helenius helenius is
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: not a bad one yeah i mean it could work
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: but man i don't know like where are we at
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: in the what's the nhl doing right now this is
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: crazy we're we're we're a soap opera i kind of
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: love it though i'll be honest with you it is
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: entertaining there's like there's no bad news days there's always
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: some shit going on guys are running amok the inmates
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: are running the asylum it's uh Yeah, I don't think
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: shovel day off. If I'm shovel day off, I look
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: at them and say, you get your ass in the
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: net and you start doing butterflies up, down, up, down motherfucker,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: because you're starting game one and then you're starting game two.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: And you know what? I'm going to play you fucking
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: 75 games this year.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Get used to it. You playing bitch.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: You're going to, you're going to earn every cent of
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: that contract and you better play good because the worst
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: you play, no one's going to want to trade for you.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: So you fucking play. And then if you sit out,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: I ain't going to trade you either. Motherfucker. I'll fold
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: the goddamn team.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I love this. Shibbledayoff, yes.
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: J.D.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Chandler and Shibbledayoff. This is awesome. I'll pull the goddamn team.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: I don't care. I'll put Eric Comrie square in the pipes.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Eric Comrie will run out there. Oh, no, they got
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Stuart Skinner. Fuck, they got Skinner.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: They got the skin stew.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what makes it interesting. Imagine Hellebuck in Carolina.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: You win a Stanley Cup, then you get Conor Hellebuck.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: What do you make of that move?
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Once again, I'm Shibbledayoff. I see you park your ass
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: on the bench. Stuart Skinner's got this net. Go fuck yourself.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: And I ain't trading you unless it's for three firsts
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: and Sidney Crosby himself.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. I love it.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Chevy wants a huge price tag. I just think it's like,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: when's the line for these GMs? And I wonder if
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: we've hit it. I'm not inside that room. I don't know. But,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: you know, it's like, listen, enough's enough. I'd say the
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: same thing to Dylan Larkin. Good, you don't want to play?
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: Great.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: I'm going to tank your trade value. We'll still pay you.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: But there goes your NHL career.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: One more topic. It's about Chris Kreider.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: This should not be that surprising, being put on waivers,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: purpose of terminating his contract.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: 35 years of age, 22-goal season.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: 348 goals between the Ducks and the Rangers. He's due
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: $ 6. 5 million from Anaheim. Wanted to go back east. Could
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: be on a new team by the time you hear this.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: But for Anaheim, JD, everybody knows they're trying to lock
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: up Cutter Gauthier. They just paid Leo Carson $ 18 million.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Danny Breer. And now you lose Kreider, Trouba, Carlson, McTavish.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Zellweger and Radko Gudis and Troy Terry is expected to
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: be out until at least November after hip surgery. Does
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: it make sense to you that Crider's gone because they're
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: trying to give all the money that they can to
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Cutter Gauthier?
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: And somewhere, someplace, Danny Breer is butt naked, covered in
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: coconut oil, playing with himself.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, geez.
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: Oh.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Over what he has just orchestrated, the dismantling of an organization. Hey, Carter,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: go to you. You didn't want to come to Philly?
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: I fucking destroy Anaheim Ducks.
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: Sorry.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Listen, this is bad. I know this was like the
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: collateral damage, but not getting anything for Kreider. Like you're
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: telling me you can't get a pick? You can't get nothing?
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: You can't get a seventh rounder? Just complete termination? He
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: just walks? a guy that's so integral to your power play.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: And then do you see the comments from Leo Carlson? No,
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: what did he say? He talked to Kreider. He basically
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: apologized to Kreider, and Kreider was like, yeah, it is
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: what it is. Happy for you to get your deal, though.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: But Leo accepted that deal. Correct. I'm wondering, where does
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: the blame fall on this atrocious and horrendous offseason for
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: the Anaheim Ducks?
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Does it fall on the Ducks front office?
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, because if you want to take care of your
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: own house, you take care of those guys before you
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: even let anybody come in the hen house.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Breer starts sniffing around like a wolf. That's on you, buddy.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Should have taken care of it.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Like, because this is bad. Like, they don't have a
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: decor to trot out there this year. You know, and
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: up front now, they have some holes. Yeah, they're going
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: to lock up Cutter, Gauthier, and they got Leo Carlson.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: But I'm sorry, but this team is, you're not better
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: than the LA Kings. You're not better than the Vegas
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Golden Knights. You're not better than the Edmonton Oilers. And
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: you could argue you're not better than the San Jose Sharks.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: So where are you fitting into this playoff race?
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Not at all.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: You're done. You're not making the playoffs because if you
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: look out into the Central Division, that is an absolute
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: juggernaut of a division. There's going to be five teams
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: making that. Five teams are going to make the playoffs
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: out of the Central. So you're definitely not making it
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: in a wild card spot. So you're going to be
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: one of the top three in the Pacific. And I
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: don't think they have it. They don't, they don't have enough.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: They don't have enough gold thing. Don't have enough depth
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: on D and up front. Now they have some glaring holes.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: So I feel bad for this, this group, this core group,
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: you know, and, and again, it's like, where do we
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: put the blame? Do we put it on Pat Verbeek?
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: I think it is Verbeek tried to play, you know,
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: tummy sticks with the guys and, and screw them around
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: a little bit and play yo-yo with them. And they
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: called their bluff and Danny Breer called the buff. Now,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: I'm sure Pat Verbeek's got a dart board with Danny
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Breer's face on it, and he's just hucking axes and
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: darts and knives and whatever because it just goes to
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: show you that you cannot rest on your laurels now
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: as a GM. I think players have so much power,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: and other GMs that are willing to take shots and
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: pay guys are going to be the ones that end
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: up with all the good players, and then you're going
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: to be left overpaying second-line, third-line guys.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the world we live in now. Tal, quick
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: thought on the situation?
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, I was just going to really just posit
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: the fact that we're a couple of years away with
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: this team for potentially having Carlson, Gauthier, Seneca, Lacombe, and
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: Minchikoff accounting for about half of the cap on this team. Wow.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: And I like those players, but is that a core
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: of a championship team?
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, we'll find out.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: But that's just something I was thinking about when it
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: comes to the Ducks.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: It's going to be a tough year for them. And
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Troy Terry's got, what, how many years at $ 7 million?
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: Four?
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Four left? You got Killorn.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: Four left at $ 7 million, and Granlin, I think, has
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: three left.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Granlin's got two. Two left. You got Killorn up this year.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: You got Vetrano that they're probably going to move at
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: four and a half. Who's going to take him? I
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: don't know. You just signed A.J. Greer to 4.25 for
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: four years. Ryan Poehling to 3.75. I like that. But
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: then after that, I'm like, you're going to have to
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: re-sign Beckett Seneca– Next year.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: He's getting paid.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Getting paid, too.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: $ 9 million a year.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Because here's the thing is they're going to suck, but
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: those guys are going to get their points this year.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Because they're going to be exciting.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: It's just a bad job at Pat Forby.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: It's tough, man. So much promise on this team. It's sad.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: So much promise, and now it's back in a goddamn shitter.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Still to come on NHL Inscripted, we'll get out of
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: the shitter, back into the penthouse. Two-time Stanley Cup champion
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Chris Versteeg will join us. Seven different teams he played for.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: He's got stories for days. Versteeg's coming up right after this.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Our next guest was drafted in the fifth round by
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: the Boston Bruins in the 2004 NHL Draft. He would
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: go on to win the Stanley Cup twice as a
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: member of the Chicago Blackhawks and collect 149 goals and
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: 3,358 points in 643 games with the Chicago Blackhawks. Maple Leafs, Flyers, Panthers, Hurricanes, Kings,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: and Flames. He's been a very, very busy boy since
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: retiring in 2020. Ladies and gentlemen, it's Chris Versteeg. Versteeg,
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: how we doing, buddy?
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: I'm happy you gave me that intro after 2010.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Hey, listen. 2010 hurt. That sweep really did hurt. And
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: I just played golf with Taser the other day. And
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: I was like, I think I was putting something out.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: And he's like, well, at least you drained something after
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: we swept you.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: Oh, man.
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: Setaguchi and me, we're best friends since we were little.
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: So it took him a good year to talk to
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: me again.
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: So now we're back at it.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: It was a good battle. I felt like Rod Brendamore.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: I sympathize with Rod Brendamore when he was like, it
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: was a good series even though we got swept. But Seeger,
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: talk a little bit about the summer. It's officially over.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: How was yours? What are you up to?
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's been good. I got two young boys. They
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: play hockey. I got a young girl.
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: She's a cheer cheerleader. So I'm a cheer dad. Got
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: my shirt on and just busy taking care of them.
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: Got a couple of Things on the go, I guess,
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: just whether it's my Clever app that I've had around
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: for five years, a streamlined video coaching software platform. So
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: a little busy with that, trying to get people to
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: understand how to use the technology.
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: And pretty much.
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: Besides that, just watching my kids play baseball, hockey, soccer,
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: whatever it may be, and enjoying being a father.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: Before we get into all that amazing stuff, and that's
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: awesome on what you're doing, obviously I'd be remiss if
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: I didn't mention the passing of Barry Melrose. just a
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: staple in the NHL community and just an amazing human analyst.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Everything that encompasses what it means to be a great
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: hockey player, a great steward of the game. Do you
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: have any memories of Barry or anything that stands out
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: for you?
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: Well, just a larger than life personality.
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: When you'd run into him in cup finals or wherever,
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: always took the time to talk to you.
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: He lit up a room, but My kind of most.
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: Fondest memory of Barry was in the, I believe it
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: was 2022 All-Star game. I just went out to Vegas
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: to watch the All-Star game and I was walking in
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: the hotel and he pulled me aside and just had
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: a conversation, right?
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: He didn't really have to do that.
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: I didn't even know he still remembered what I looked like,
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: but it was just kind of the person he was,
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: really recognized faces he'd met in the past, wanted to
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: have conversations with them. And honest conversations too. It wasn't
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: just there to get in and get out of it.
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: He was a guy that truly cared about the people
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: around him. And the hockey world lost someone that gave
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: a lot to the game. I mean, he was there
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: grinding at ESPN when no one was giving him time
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: on that channel and stuff like that to try to
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: promote the game of hockey.
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: So that guy did a ton for the game and
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: a very, very sad day.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: I love that you mentioned that, Steger, about him. you know,
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: being on ESPN and kind of a little bit of
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: a trailblazer in the U.S. because being an American kid,
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: you know, growing up for me, you know, coming home
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: after school was, you know, it was Bill Clement, Gary Thorne,
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: and then, you know, Barry Melrose and John Butchercross ran
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: in Chelsea tonight, so rest in peace to Barry Melrose
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: because he was an icon for hockey.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: You know, we'll go back a little bit, Steger, you.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Know, before getting traded to Chicago, you know, we played
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: together in Providence and That year in Providence, you know,
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: you kind of took off. You had, I think, like
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: 50 points, 50, 60 points and kind of found the
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: next step. And then you got traded to Chicago and
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: then you were, you know, with guys like Brower and
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Dustin Bufflin and Dave Bull and these guys and kind
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: of joined this core group of guys. What was it
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: that kind of got you that next level when you
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: were in the minor? Because I remember, you know, you were,
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: you know, you took a next step and then ended
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: up getting traded to Chicago and the rest is history.
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, you probably remember me crying on the bus
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: on the ride home because it was on the way
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: to Worcester to play them. And then, you know, not Worcester, sorry, Manchester.
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: And I got traded on the bus. And, you know,
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: you think you've taken off. And then all of a
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: sudden you think you're getting called up that day when
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: I got called up to the front of the bus.
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: But I got traded.
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: And then I had to ride the bus with all
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: you guys back after the game. That was a pretty
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: emotional time because I remember that summer after my 19
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: year old year in junior, I really went to work
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: on the mental.
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: Side of the game. You know, that's where I really struggled.
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: And I did a ton of mental work and then
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: also physical work just to put on about 15, 20 pounds.
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: I mean, at my last year in junior, I was
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: 165 and I came into Providence around 185, 190. Like
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: I put on serious muscle and everything. And I think
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: the mental side of my game was where I struggled
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: turning pro, especially at 19 and at certain times was
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: the feeling of belonging, I think, or that I belong
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: with these guys who are first rounders or NHL guys
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: and stuff like that. So that was a mental hurdle
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: I had to get past in the summer. And I
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: did a lot of work with my trainer and my
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: mental coach. And I remember when I got to camp
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: that year in Boston, it was just about like, making
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: sure I was comfortable in my skin, you know, and
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: that's be myself, play my game, find two, three things
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: on the ice that are going to make me good
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: at the pro level, stick to those two, three things.
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: And like, it didn't start great in Providence either. Peter
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: Tenkrat was on the first line. I remember I was
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: on the fourth line, healthy scratch. Then he got called
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: up and I got my chance. So there was a
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: lot of work that went into in that off season and,
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: And then when I got my chance, obviously, with David
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: Kredshy on that first line in Providence, it just took off.
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: I mean, who couldn't play with David Kredshy? But that
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: was where.
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: I did take that next step, and I started to
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: roll and feel good about myself. But then when that
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: trade came, I'm happy I did all that work in
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: the offseason because it could have gone sideways again pretty
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: quick because I got to Norfolk. They stuffed me on
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: the fourth line, didn't get a lot of opportunity after
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: kind of being the guy in Providence. And so I
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: kind of had to rebuild myself again there.
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: And that's what I did.
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: But the mental side is really like I put all
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: the credit into that off season where I was with
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: my trainers, you know, five days a week working on
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: my goals, setting goals, thinking about what I want to
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: do and stuff like that.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Well, and obviously one of the goal for all of
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: us is to win a cup. So you get to
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Rockford and like you talk about it's amazing the way
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: you had to even journey in the AHL and reinvent yourself.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: But you land in Rockford with basically almost a large
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: portion of that group ends up winning a cup. You
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: got Troy Brower, you got Corey Crawford, Dave Bolin, Big Buff. Like,
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: did you ever think when you were down there, like,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: was there like a blood pact, like an American pie
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: or something? You guys are like, we're going to win
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: this thing. We're going to all go up together and
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: do something crazy in Chicago.
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: I think at that time it was more about how
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: are we going to beat each other out for spots
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: on the big clubs.
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: You know, that's kind of, I remember my mindset when
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: I got to Rockford.
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: I was like, man, I got to get ahead of
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: Buff and Brower and Boland. And then you got Kane
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: coming in. You got Taze. You got Havlat up. They
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: just trade for Sharp.
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: I'm like, you know, Boston, I kind of saw a
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: bit of a clear path to get an opportunity. And
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: there it was like, when we were young in Rockford,
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: we were all best friends.
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: We hung out. But we really did all push each other,
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: wanting things. to get to the big club.
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: And I think that's where really it kicked in was
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: the competition between all of us and the good competition
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: that we're all friends, but we all wanted to beat
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: each other out for spots. I think that's the most
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: honest way I could say it, that we were there
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: to push each other. Some days I'd be on the
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: first line in Rockford, some days I'd be on the third, right?
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: And then that day you're on the third line, you're like,
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: I'm never going to get.
• 36:38
  Speaker 7: Called up, you know? So it was like, Constant competition
• 36:42
  Speaker 7: between us.
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: And that's kind of what, when we took that group
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: to Chicago, that mindset never changed. I remember, you know,
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: a guy like Quenville, he's always interchanging pieces. If I'm
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: with Kane that day, I got to play great. If
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: I'm not within a second, Brower goes in that spot.
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: So it was, I think that mindset that got built
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: in the AHL of constantly competing against each other for
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: competition got taken to the NHL. And that's why that
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: team continually drove each other or drove each other.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: Out of that crew, Dustin Bufflin, who I have a
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: couple stories, but I can't share here on this. But
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: do you got any favorite Dustin Bufflin stories?
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: Oh, I got a lot. I'm trying to get this
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: cat out of my room too right now.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: I heard a meow.
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: I told my wife, I'm like, come get this. So
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: I do JD's show all the time, right? Here. I
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: got to get him out of the room. One second.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: I love this. We have a cat invasion. First ever.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: First ever. Nate, is it? What's the? I had the
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: buff story.
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: This guy just busts in the room. He's done it
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: multiple times on radio.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: What's your cat's name?
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: Kids named him Sneaker.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: Sneaker.
• 37:59
  Speaker 7: Sneaker.
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: Sorry about that.
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: We were talking about Dustin Bufflin, right? Yeah.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Speaking of cats.
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, speaking of cats.
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: So this is my favorite one ever. We're in Vegas
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: for Andrew Ladd's wedding. So we get in the pool
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: right before the wedding. Me, Buff, Barker, Boland, or all
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: of us are in the pool, right? And me and
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: Eager are like, okay, let's try to dunk Buff. Like,
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: let's jump on him and try to dunk him. So
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: I jump on his back and I'm like choking him.
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: Eager jumps on him, and then Cam Barker jumps on him.
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: And we're trying to drown him. We can't, right?
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: He ends up grabbing Eager, who at that time is
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: 240 pounds. He grabs Barker, who might be equally 230, 240,
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: and he's carrying three grown men through the pool, dunking
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: all three of us. It was one of the wildest things,
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: and after that, Eager's like, dude, I have no idea
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: how one human could dunk three grown men in the
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: pool in Vegas, but it was the It was just
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: one of those things where you realized how strong he was.
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: He loved it. He loved us trying to do that.
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: But that was my favorite memory of him, just showing
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: off his personality.
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: And the guy's a beast, man. He was a freak.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: It's honestly, you talk to guys in the NHL that
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: played against Buff or played with him, and the large
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: consensus is, like, if he wanted to be, he could
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: have been a top five player in the NHL. And
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: you'd see it the nights where he was engaged. I mean,
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: it was the scariest human i remember playing in dallas
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: and we'd go in the room and guys are like
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: we'd come off the ice from warm-up and guys would
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: like skate by him and talk to him and they'd
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: be okay guy okay guys buffs hung over a little
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: bit like just leave him be like do not hit
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: him do not touch him if he's got a breakaway
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: don't even slash him like just let him let him
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: do his thing And then some idiot would go out
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: and like run him and he'd be like, I'm going
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: to kill everybody now and just turn it on. So
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know where that was. And maybe that's what
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: made him so good is his lack of, of, I
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: don't want to say caring cause he did care, but
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: like just his lack of, of not needing to be the, the,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: the guy.
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: Oh, he, that's, that's kind of where I remember in 2008,
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: they were really on him about his weight. Like that
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: was the big thing. Buff, are you light enough? Can
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: you play all this? And, Dale Tallon actually did a
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: great job at coming into the trainers and just saying,
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: manage everyone else's weight, make sure they're in shape and
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: leave Buff alone. What we need is happy Buff. We
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: don't need rattled, pissed off Buff in the gym, right?
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: We need him to be comfortable coming to the rink.
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: We need him to be happy.
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: And so that's kind of where you started to see
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: his NHL game take off where, yeah, Buff, you do
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: got to come in shape, but we're not going to
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: micromanage every situation with you. And I think that's what
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: happened when he got to the NHL initially is they
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: tried to micromanage him too much. And he's such a
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: fun loving guy and he loves to play hockey.
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: He's a competitor.
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: You don't really want to wake him up, but that's,
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: that's where I started to see. He, he felt more
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: comfortable in his skin when he stopped being micromanaged.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Uh, sorry, JD.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: Um, So you win a cup back in 2010 with it,
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: and basically it's a group back. You guys get everyone back,
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: and a few teammates, unrestricted free agents, and you end
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: up getting traded to Toronto after being in Chicago. What
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: do you remember about this debacle?
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I was part of that contract where I
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: got paid a lot more than I should have. So
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: I kind of knew that it was going to be
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: my last year in Chicago that year.
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: There was me and Cam Barker.
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: They missed us with the, uh, the, I forgot what
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: those offers were, those offers. They got to send all
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: the restricted agents, restricted free agents. So I kind of
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: knew that year might be my last year with the
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: Hawks after.
• 41:59
  Speaker 7: We won the cup.
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: I'm we're at this bar and I'm in this tunnel
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: and it's me, Vince Vaughn. And and it's Stan Bowman.
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: And Stan Bowman told me right there, hey, we are
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: going to trade you. And you have Vince Vaughn, like
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: Vince Vaughn does, like, oh, you can't trade this guy.
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: He just won the cup, you know?
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: So yeah, that's kind of where I found out I
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: was being traded for sure. But I kind of knew
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: the whole year after I got that bigger ticket that
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: it most likely was going to happen. So I wasn't shocked.
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: And then obviously you go to Toronto and it's a
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: storied franchise. We weren't the best team, but I actually,
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: I didn't mind it because I thought Chicago with the
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: limelight kind of prepared me for Toronto.
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: So I liked my time in Toronto. I didn't mind it.
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: And I love Brian Burke.
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: He was very upfront with me at the trade deadline saying, Hey,
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: we got to get picks back.
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: We got to do things.
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: So it was a short lived window for me, but um,
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: the time in Toronto was great.
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: Phil Kessel was my roommate.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: I was just going to say you're, you had, was
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: like Colby Armstrong, Phil.
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: Uh, you had Joffrey Looples there. You guys had like
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: a great room in terms of like just one.
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: Loops came in when I left.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: So I was only with him for like a week,
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: but yeah, he's a fun loving guy, but you know,
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: you had FNUF as the captain and you had Clark MacArthur,
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: who was a great guy, Nikolai Kuliman, you had so
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: many good guys on that team. And I liked our
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: time there. Obviously we weren't good enough. So changes had
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: to be made. And then I go to Philly for.
• 43:29
  Speaker 7: That, that run. And then, uh, but Toronto is, it's a,
• 43:34
  Speaker 7: there's a lot of pressure on you to succeed.
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: I I go home and my R eight had been
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: spit on and stuff was wrote in the side of
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: my R eight, you know, like you got a score,
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: you suck, you know, like, but I mean, I, I thought.
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: It was kind of funny, right?
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: It was, yeah, but you kind of understood that that's
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: the pressure you were under and.
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: That's what you want as a hockey player.
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: I know I've played in markets at times, you know,
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: where I'm in Carolina and we weren't very good and
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: you got 3000 people there.
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: It's two, two, third period. And you're sleeping on the bench.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I've been there with the coyotes and stuff
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: like that early on.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: And it's hard to stay in it, especially when you've
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: kind of seen the peak of what fandom is and
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: playing in front of people that care. So that's where,
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: that's where, you know, I loved it.
• 44:25
  Speaker 7: I had no, no ill will towards anyone.
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: And Berkey brought me back to Calgary anyways, but I
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: just liked how upfront he was and honest about it.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Quickly. What's your, you know, you roomed with Phil Kessel.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: We think we talked about, we're going to talk about
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: him a little bit on this show, but you know,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: just give me your best Phil Kessel story that you got.
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: Some of these have gone viral I've seen in the past.
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: And I've, I've told this.
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: One a few times it's we're in Pittsburgh and he
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: used to take the clothes hangers to make sure no
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: sun came in the room.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: So One day we're in Pittsburgh, the clothes hanger falls
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: off the drapes and the sun just peers perfectly in
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: on his eyes.
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: And he's like, oh my God, my eyes. Steger, I'm blind,
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: get up.
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, Phil, you're right next to the screen.
• 45:15
  Speaker 7: You get up and do it. He's like, oh my.
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: You know, just stuff like that. I've told that story
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: a few times. And I've, you know, even the one
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: where I told the other day too, he's in the gym, right?
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: And I'm like, Phil, I can lift way more than you.
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: Look at you. I can crush way more than you.
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: He literally takes like four pies aside, chucks them on,
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: rips off 10.
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: He's like, see, told you, Steger.
• 45:38
  Speaker 6: You know, just stuff like that where it was constant comedy.
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: Some of the funnest times I had was actually watching
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: him and Dion Phaneuf fight playing table tennis.
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: Like it was all out war playing table tennis.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: He's so competitive in anything. It was nuts.
• 45:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was nuts.
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: So yeah, I have a lot of great stories with Phil.
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: And I was with him in Boston for a little
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: bit too. That's when he had testicular cancer. He got
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: sent down to the minors and he played with us.
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: He was on a line with me in Kredge City
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: for like a week. I think I had the easiest
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: nine points in a week in my life. It was
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: just give them the puck and get an apple.
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: But I remember when he got sent down.
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: And actually, one more Phil story was the Johnny Whitesides
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: in Boston. He used to make me watch him during camp,
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: make sure he eats well.
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: So we go out for dinner.
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: And we're at a seafood place and we go back
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: home and I get there the next day and Johnny
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: Whitesides is like, what did he eat last night?
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: I'm like, yeah, he ate great. He had all this
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: like seafood. It was deep fried.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: And he's like, what?
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: It was deep fried? Because I didn't know what healthy
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: food was then. And I'm like, he's like, it was
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: deep fried. I'm like, yeah, it was deep fried. And
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: he comes in, he's like, Steger, you're a rat. He
• 46:49
  Speaker 7: ratted on me.
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: And then he put him on the bike for fat camp,
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: you know?
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: So he had to go ride. So he's riding the
• 46:56
  Speaker 7: bike all depressed. He's like, you're such a rat, Steger.
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: You ratted on me. You know, stuff like that.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: John Whitesides.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: That brings you back.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: I remember him.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: Speaking of really good players, you know, you got to
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: play with Alexander Barkov as a rookie.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Did you see.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: Did you see it right away and see what you're going.
• 47:17
  Speaker 7: To see now? Yeah, you saw it right away.
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: He was 18 turning 19, I think, at that time.
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: He came into camp and he was doing things with
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: the puck that none of us could do, but I
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: think it was the more mature game he already had
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: at 18, 19. I know his dad was a pro
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: and I'm sure he taught him well, but he was
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: already strong on both sides of the puck.
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: Very soft-spoken.
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: He didn't really say much, just came in, did his work,
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: did his job, but Just a guy that understood how
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: to play the game the right way from a young age.
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: I had great veterans like you and certain guys. I
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: remember McDonald in Providence who really had to pull me
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: aside to say, if you want to play in the NHL,
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: you've got to play better defense.
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: Or you've got to check more.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: You've got to do things.
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: So I really relied on my veterans. That guy didn't
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: have to rely on anyone. He kind of had it
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: all figured out at a young age.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a freak when I played with him. He's
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: one of those guys they had to pull out of
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: the gym and off the ice and be like, can
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: you just take a second? You're too much of a pro.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: You're too professional, and you're making us all look bad, too.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: But you play in Florida, and you touched on it earlier,
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: but I wanted to ask you, and I asked Phil, actually,
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: funny enough, Phil Kessler during the finals, but You go
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: back to Chicago, you win your second cup. What is
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: that feeling like? How is that to win a second cup?
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Is it the same? What's your mindset going into that playoff?
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: And when the clock strikes zero and you guys are
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: throwing off your helmets and everything, what is that feeling?
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Is it the same? Is it different? Is there similarities
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: to it? Or is it just a completely different experience?
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: I think it's a completely different experience for me. I
• 49:06
  Speaker 7: don't know.
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't ever try to say anyone else's perspective on
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: it or say what they thought. I know for me,
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: the first time it was like, you know, you proved
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: everyone wrong type of feeling. You had a sense of
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: relief that the season was over and you got the
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: job done. You finally won a cup and you can
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: say that you've won a cup. You know, there's like
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: there's that that excitement and everything all bottled into one
• 49:29
  Speaker 6: on the first one was something you know I've never
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: felt and then the second one was almost like wow
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: I did it again so it was the same excitement
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: the same feeling but almost less relief as the first
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: one where it was more about the relief of finally
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: getting the job done. So I would say the first
• 49:47
  Speaker 6: one for me, definitely, if you bottle it up, was
• 49:53
  Speaker 6: the best feeling I've ever felt in my life. The
• 49:55
  Speaker 6: second one was the second best, but it was definitely
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: two different feelings in the sense of, wow, I accomplished
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: this again. This is such an incredible journey to go
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: on with a group of guys and stuff like that.
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: But That first one.
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: Had a lot of pressure on us, right? Hadn't won
• 50:11
  Speaker 6: in 49 years in Chicago. We knew the team was
• 50:13
  Speaker 6: going to blow up after the season.
• 50:15
  Speaker 7: We had to get the job done.
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: A lot of guys that were best friends and we're
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: still all best friends today. So I think that first
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: one for me, it was just, it was every type
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: of feeling bottled into one.
• 50:27
  Speaker 7: And the sense of relief is nothing I've ever felt.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: You guys were really tested on that, on that run
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: in 2015 too. And especially in the conference finals, um,
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: Broke my heart.
• 50:36
  Speaker 7: Well, you guys should have. You guys played great.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: Like, it's crazy. It's like the Sharks. We should have
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: beat them.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: That was a very good series that was.
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: Steve, your last season, you were with Calgary in the NHL,
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: and you get to play with Jeremy Yager. You know,
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: playing with Yager, do you have any other good stories
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: with this guy playing with him as a teammate?
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: Well, I remember the first game he played, we're in L.A.,
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: and I got to play on the line with him.
• 51:04
  Speaker 6: So I took a picture of the game sheet, like Versteeg, Bennett, Jager, right?
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: It was pretty neat. And me and him were both
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: hurt too, kind of at the same time. So we'd
• 51:15
  Speaker 7: be in the gym a.
• 51:16
  Speaker 6: Long time together and just having conversations, having my kids
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: come in and meet him. You know, really with Jarmer,
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: he was there a short time and I didn't get
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: to spend a ton of time with him, but it
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: was just a guy that had aura.
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: I don't know what else to say. He walked in
• 51:31
  Speaker 7: the room and it was like, you could see his energy.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:34
  Speaker 7: You know, it's different.
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: It's almost like you're, you know, I played with tons
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: of hall of famers prior to that played with, you know,
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: so many guys, but when a guy that was your
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: idol walks in the room and he's still playing it,
• 51:48
  Speaker 6: it was almost like I was too scared to talk
• 51:50
  Speaker 6: to him. And I don't think I was ever scared
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: to talk to anyone. So, uh, it was just kind
• 51:54
  Speaker 6: of being in his presence, watching how he acted, how
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: he trained, how he wanted to go on the ice
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: to get better, especially at that stage of his career.
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: that was more what it was about for me. Just
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: trying to take it all in and, and have those memories.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: I hope you didn't follow his training methods. Well, the
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: funny thing is.
• 52:12
  Speaker 7: He would sit on the leg press, right?
• 52:14
  Speaker 6: And he would do one leg press, like really heavy,
• 52:17
  Speaker 6: one leg. And then he would stop and he'd sit
• 52:19
  Speaker 6: there and he'd just go on his phone and then
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: he'd go do it again. It would take like an hour,
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: but he would do like 15 sets of leg press,
• 52:26
  Speaker 6: but he'd take like five.
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: Minute intervals, almost just waiting to do the next one.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 52:31
  Speaker 6: So, leg press would take an hour, then chest would
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: take an hour, and then he'd go out and do
• 52:35
  Speaker 6: his stick handling.
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: It was unique.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was, I think in Jersey, they got the
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: tape of, like, him in the gym, you know, because
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: the coach came in and kept saying, like, you know,
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: look at Yach, he's in the gym all the time,
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: and the guys ended up getting, like, the tape of
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: the gym, and it was just him, like, on his phone.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: But they were, like, three hours doing, like, a couple
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: reps here and there, and they're like, are you fucking
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: kidding me?
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what it was.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: That's what it was kind of like. You mentioned playing
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: with Hall of Famers and performing with Hall of Famers,
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: and we got to see you perform with LMFAO and
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: Macklemore at Blackhawks Parade. You were a big singer. You
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: were a big showman, on the ice, off the ice.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: I got to meet you at Devin Setaguchi's wedding, very
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: close friend of both of ours, and we ended up
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: orchestrating a dance the day of the wedding, but take
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: us through, you know, our experience and, and they're probably
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: going to roll a clip of this at the same
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: time you're talking, but how did the leotard dance to
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: Sia come to be?
• 53:43
  Speaker 6: Well, I remember I got to San Jose and, uh,
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: someone said you and Demers have to do something together,
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: like a funny skit or something. And then Brett Curio,
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: one of Devin's friends.
• 53:56
  Speaker 7: And who was the other, the other guy that did
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: it with us? I can't remember his name.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: Oh geez it escaped uh I don't want to I
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: don't want to say a name and be wrong he
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: was a he was a boxing coach too.
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah he was oh Joe Joe Mills Joe Mills that's
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: it so we we.
• 54:12
  Speaker 7: All kind of got together and we're outside on the
• 54:14
  Speaker 7: street remember outside.
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: Of his house outside of his house and we're like
• 54:19
  Speaker 6: okay let's uh figure this out so we grabbed that
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: Sia song we.
• 54:23
  Speaker 7: Came up with a dance you had that Windmill idea.
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: Remember the windmill where we all start getting whipped around?
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: Which one we all... Put our hands... And you put
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: your hands on top of each other.
• 54:36
  Speaker 7: And guys are swinging. So we had to practice that
• 54:39
  Speaker 7: for quite a while.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: We did lifts. People were like... People were floors.
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: I'm getting a visual just of you guys outside of
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: the house practicing.
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: No, people were coming out of their homes like, what's
• 54:52
  Speaker 7: going on in the street? And then... I don't know
• 54:55
  Speaker 7: whose idea it was.
• 54:56
  Speaker 6: It's like, let's go get some leotards and really take
• 54:59
  Speaker 6: this to the next level. And, and it ended up hitting,
• 55:02
  Speaker 6: I mean, it, it went, it was probably the first
• 55:03
  Speaker 6: viral video before viral was viral.
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: When I would say it was, well, it was in,
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: it was what in 2014, 14. It, I think on YouTube,
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: it hit like hundreds, hundreds of thousands of views. And like,
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: was the, was a huge thing.
• 55:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
• 55:26
  Speaker 7: So that's how that kind of came up.
• 55:27
  Speaker 6: But for my singing and all that, it was always
• 55:30
  Speaker 6: just joking around, having fun with the guys. I always
• 55:33
  Speaker 6: knew I was terrible at it. I was a shit singer,
• 55:36
  Speaker 6: but I could always remember lyrics. So it would always just,
• 55:38
  Speaker 6: you know, go to the parties with the.
• 55:39
  Speaker 7: Boys, sing, have a little fun.
• 55:41
  Speaker 6: And that's kind of when Sharpie called me up on
• 55:44
  Speaker 6: stage in 2010.
• 55:45
  Speaker 7: He's like, you got to sing something. I'm like, I
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: don't even know what I'm going to sing.
• 55:48
  Speaker 6: And so I ended up just kind of riffing off LMFAO.
• 55:51
  Speaker 6: And then The next one was Macklemore. They said, you
• 55:54
  Speaker 6: got to do it again.
• 55:55
  Speaker 7: I'm like, all right, I'll do it again. Let's figure
• 55:57
  Speaker 7: it out. And it was just the morning of. I'm like, okay, Nordstrom,
• 56:00
  Speaker 7: we're going to sing this together. So that's how it
• 56:02
  Speaker 7: comes about. It's not like it's planned.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: I like it off the cuff. That's the way to be.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: But now, you know, before we wrap up, you've got
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: a bunch going on. You mentioned Clever AI, your coaching platform.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: Also mentioned the Blue Paint Network. It's another coaching program
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: you have for kids. But talk about how the inception
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: of that And give us a little blurb on those
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: companies and hopefully we can push it out for you.
• 56:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the Blue Paint Network advising, it's about building something
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: that goes beyond the traditional hockey advising. We bring the
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: advisory mentorship from former NHL players, video coaching and development.
• 56:40
  Speaker 7: The goal is actually to surround.
• 56:41
  Speaker 6: These players and families with people who've actually lived in
• 56:44
  Speaker 6: the game and can provide real guidance, development, support through
• 56:48
  Speaker 6: every stage of the hockey journey. Clever is a big
• 56:51
  Speaker 6: tool of that, especially on the video side.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: For young players.
• 56:55
  Speaker 7: We use Clever with it, whether it's my hockey teams
• 56:58
  Speaker 7: or whatever. And then obviously through the Blue.
• 57:00
  Speaker 6: Paint Network Advisory, a lot of video coaching with the
• 57:04
  Speaker 6: kids and then advice and situational stuff that can hopefully
• 57:08
  Speaker 6: help them along their journey. So it's taking my technology
• 57:12
  Speaker 6: and trying to also use it for other pieces and
• 57:15
  Speaker 6: other facets of other things and you know, the clever.ai
• 57:20
  Speaker 6: has been around for five years. It's hard to push
• 57:22
  Speaker 6: people to get on it, but when they get on it,
• 57:24
  Speaker 6: they realize how easy it is, especially in the youth
• 57:26
  Speaker 6: market where technology generally is cumbersome and hard, but it's
• 57:30
  Speaker 6: streamlined quick and a lot of coaches using it and
• 57:33
  Speaker 6: I'm very fortunate that it's there because.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: It helps me. That's beautiful. I love that. Helping kids
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: and Stuart, I think that's a huge gap missing in
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: the youth sports market and also just, you know, I mean,
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: you know how it was. You talked about it when
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: you mentioned just the food, talking to Phil Kessel about
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: deep fried food. You don't know your ass from your
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: elbow when you're an 18, 19, 20-year-old. You don't know anything.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: You're away from home. You're trying to figure it out
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: as you go, and it's good to have that stewardship
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: in between and kind of fill that gap.
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: And it's nice because we got other pros there to
• 58:10
  Speaker 6: kind of help with the mentorship too. Like you said,
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: whether it's a defenseman or a forward or things like that,
• 58:16
  Speaker 6: try to give them advice. And this is, you know,
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: think about when we were young about even just training,
• 58:22
  Speaker 6: how to train properly. You know, there's so much information
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: out there. Sometimes too much information is bad, but how
• 58:27
  Speaker 6: do you get them the right information for them and
• 58:30
  Speaker 6: stuff like that? And yeah, it's always going to be
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: a gap and just trying to help parents that don't understand.
• 58:37
  Speaker 6: where maybe what the right road is and try to
• 58:40
  Speaker 6: give them that guidance.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: Well, thanks so much for your time, buddy. Um, we
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: appreciate it and good luck with all your future endeavors
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: and cat, the cat sneakers.
• 58:49
  Speaker 7: Thanks.
• 58:50
  Speaker 6: I was going to say that cat's a more famous
• 58:53
  Speaker 6: in Toronto than I am.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: Phil goes sneakers, Phil. Yeah. And then Steger.
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: Thanks buddy. Have a great one. Yeah.
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: Take care guys.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Time now for Cinefile in 60. I don't have one. Tal,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: I'm giving my time to you. I've been watching the U.S.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: Open.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: I'm locked into the tennis. I haven't had a chance
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: for a movie. I already gave you my backroom's review.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Is there anything you or J.D. would like to discuss
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: movie-wise here as we go into fall movie season?
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, J.D.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: It's a TV show, though.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: That's fine. Go ahead.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Cinefile in 60 becomes TV show in 60.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Go ahead. Well, it is.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: We recently went to finish the last season of, because
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: I never finished it ever, of Succession.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, there you go. I love Succession.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, dude. Is there anything better than you got to
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: break a few... To make a tomlet, you got to
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: break a few Greggs.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: You sent that email 67 times. Dude, that show has
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: so many funny lines in it. But, yeah, we've been
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: watching Succession and Lanterns. I bet.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: I met Matthew McFadden, who played Tom years ago at
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: the Crick's Choice Awards, and I said, man, some of
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: those lines were incredible. He said, yeah, and I said,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: the one that I never laughed harder is when you said,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: if this doesn't work out, I'll be sucking off ogres
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  Speaker 2: for phone cards.
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  Speaker 1: And he gave a legit, like, one of those laughs.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: He's a British accent.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, you know, one of these guys you expected
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: a pride and prejudice when you meet him in real life.
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  Speaker 2: He goes, oh, I had a tough time saying some
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  Speaker 2: of those lines, I must tell you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, he was so great as Tom.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, every character, Jeremy Strong obviously is great, and
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: obviously Brian Cox is incredible, but I thought Matthew McFadden
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  Speaker 2: as Tom was.
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  Speaker 1: Because he's so unlike the guy.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you read Mein Kampf twice? Yeah. Didn't get it
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  Speaker 3: the first time? No, I just like... I like that
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  Speaker 3: period of history. What about that period of history do
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: you like? The decimation of Europe. You know, what is that?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: Like a million Poles, a bunch of Russians. He's like,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: I feel like you're missing a couple million.
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  Speaker 1: Incredibly well-written show. Machiavellian, very timely. This is a great episode.
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  Speaker 2: You know what really started to kick off for me
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  Speaker 2: was like episode five, season one, when they're talking about potentially,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: you know, Kendall's on the street, he's getting late to
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: the meeting, and Kieran Culkin puts his hand up, and
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  Speaker 2: Brian Cox says, you best be sniffing your fucking armpit.
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  Speaker 1: It was so funny.
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  Speaker 3: He's so good, Brian Cox, when he goes, you fucking dopes.
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  Speaker 1: But I thought he had one of the best lines.
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  Speaker 2: I think with this often, he goes, you know, to
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: talk about his kids in general, he described his children
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  Speaker 2: well in one sentence.
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  Speaker 1: You're not serious people.
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  Speaker 7: It was a great line.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great line, Judy.
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  Speaker 3: That's his last episode that he's around. And then he
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: ends up, he dies in the next episode, which is
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: crazy because that line is so good when he just
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: stares at him. He's like, you finally gave them an
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: olive branch and they didn't want it. And he's like,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: you're just not serious people. Oh, that would hurt.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: That's a great line. Tal, what do you got? Succession?
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  Speaker 5: I was just going to say, if you like Succession,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: I texted you about this ad now. There's some real-life
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: Succession figures that are going to be portrayed in a
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: number of films by some of the best filmmakers we have.
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  Speaker 5: We have Danny Boyle making a film coming out soon
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  Speaker 5: on Netflix about Rupert Murdoch. We have Luca Guadagnino making
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: a film about Sam Altman. We have an Alex Gibney
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: doc about Elon Musk. I love Gibney. And then we
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: have Aaron Sorkin doing his social network sequel.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: About Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah, do you like that one?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: I don't know if that one looks very good, but it's...
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: And then my personal favorite, Nathan Fielder... Yes, three-hour doc,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: Elizabeth Holmes. has this documentary with Elizabeth Holmes. I love
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: Nathan Fielder. I'm in on anything he does.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Canadian. Canadian, good point.
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  Speaker 5: And he somehow went into this federal penitentiary and interviewed
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: one of the most high-profile inmates in the country without
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: anyone saying anything. I mean, I'm amazed that they kept
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: this under wraps.
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  Speaker 1: It's a three-hour quasi-documentary. But that's going to be fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: It was a secret screening at the Telluride Film Festival,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: and everyone apparently lost their mind when they saw it
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: at the festival.
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  Speaker 3: So that'll be a fun one, too. Well, because she's
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: so incredibly delusional, right?
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: She's unbelievable.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: She's like female Zuckerberg. She even looks like Mark Zuckerberg
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: But that whole story, if you explain to somebody Theranos
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: and what she did, I'm like, she just bilked people
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: out of millions.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. I just said delusional.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow. Well, it'll be a good time.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: This movie's coming up, and definitely check out Succession if
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: you haven't before. A couple other topics to hit on
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: before we say goodbye. Greenberg out. Greenberg, of course, the
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: film's starring Ben Stiller. That's not what we're talking about, though.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: The Red Wings opening their season in three weeks. As
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: of this moment, they don't have a GM.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: Steve Eisman, he transitioned out after seven years in the job.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: Now coming word that Jeff Greenberg, the.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: General manager of the Detroit Tigers, who, like the Wings,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: are owned by the Illich family, he's withdrawn his name
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: from consideration.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: You know what? I'm just going to stick to baseball.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: Tough look for the Wings.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Still having to deal with Dylan Larkin, who's traded him in,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: and an early favorite to finish at the bottom of
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: the Atlantic.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: They could look outside the organization.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: You know, they have some talk about VP of Hockey Operations,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: Nick Lidstrom, like Eisenman, franchise legend, assistant GM Sean Horkoff,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Chris Draper.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: What do you think here, J.D.? The Wings got to
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: get going.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Yeah, I just saw there's, I was just
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: reading a quick article about, you know, they're closing in
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: on somebody. I guess if Jeff Greenberg kind of took
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: his name out, they must have somebody that's close. I
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: can't imagine they've, they're going to botch this one, but
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: you know, I would, I would probably say Sean Horkoff's
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: one that stands out to me. He shadowed, he shadowed
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: Iserman for a while. I had works as a teammate. Uh,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: he was a great veteran, great leader, smart as a whip.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: And I've seen him around. He's, he's really, uh, uh,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: freak for hockey and loves it. I see him on
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: the road all the time when I was calling games
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: for the Sharks with the Red Wings. We'd see him
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: at Joe Lewis. Not Joe Lewis, Jesus Christ. Little Caesars.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: I can't keep all the rink names together.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: I like the old names better anyways.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: I do think he's definitely a possibility for me, but
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: I could assume it's going to be Iserman's going to
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: bring maybe somebody from the old guard. I can't imagine
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: it's going to be outside. Maybe somebody to re spark,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: reignite the old culture of, and that's probably the safest
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: bet for wings fans that are probably gritting their teeth
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: being like, what is going on right now with this franchise?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: The eyes are playing continues with missing the playoffs. This
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: story from the hockey world stunned in March course, sudden
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: death of NHL.com contributor, Jesse Pierce. She covered the wild
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: for NHL.com for a decade, tragically passed away in a
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: house fire along with her three children. Now the Minnesota
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: hockey community has officially banded together to pay tribute to
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: Pierce and her family with the Jesse Pierce Community Cup,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: which will be held in December and feature eight teams
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: to raise funds for the Jesse Pierce Legacy Scholarship Fund.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Great cause to remember a great member of the Minnesota
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: hockey community. That's one thing we've talked about before, J.D.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: The hockey community really does rally around with moments like this,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: and I know you as well as I was still
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: blown away by that story.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing stuff by the town rallying around her. That's awesome.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 7: Incredible.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: And last story, training camp around the corner. The Maple
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: Leafs have answered the most pressing question of the summer.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: Where is Gavin McKenna going to stay? Where is he
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: playing PlayStation? The Leafs rookie will be living this season
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: at the home of Leafs forward and former captain John Tavares.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Sensible choice.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Didn't want him with big Willie Stiles knee lander. And
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Tavares knows all about living with a rookie. He did
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: that with the great Doug Waite. Waite even shared a
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: 2003 interview that Tavares crashed his Range Rover into a tree.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: How big a decision is this for a team? Macklin celebrate,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: hit it off with Joe Thornton. You know that shark
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: situation well. Matthew Schaefer, part of the family living with
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: Matt Martin. Do you like the idea of a kid
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: coming in saying, staying with a veteran, I'll teach you
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: the ropes?
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Always.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: I think that's what should be done by most every
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: team that is in the NHL with their number one
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: picks or young guys that make the team. You need to,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: people forget that These guys are kids. Like, you're 19.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: You don't know your ass from your elbow. You don't know...
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: Most of these kids don't know how to wash their
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: own clothes, cook their own meals. You end up... You know,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: my first year, I lived in a hotel the whole
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: year I was in San Jose. And then the second year,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: I lived with Tori Mitchell and Devin Setaguchi, who were
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: both 23, 24. Like, we were... It was like a
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: frat party in there every night. And, like, we probably...
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: You know, it was fun for the sense of, like,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: the way we lived was... insane we had three lazy
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: boys in a living room with a big screen tv
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: and and three beds that's it in like a 6
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: 000 square foot townhouse that's all we had we didn't
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: cook any meals that year other than tory mitchell's wife
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: would come over and cook us something and other than
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: that it would be we would steam white rice and
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: maybe some cereal and order takeout and then drink a
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: ton of wine drink a ton of beer play beer
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: pong it was an absolute frat house playing in the
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: nhl and if people knew what that house looked like
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: in the NHL. And like nowadays, like if, you know,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: back then it, social media wasn't as big. So, but
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: nowadays and shit, it would have been insane. So I
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: do think you need that. I wish I had a,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: an older guy bring me in and that had kids
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: and I was able to kind of just, you know,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: be part of the family and, and have home cooked
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: meals and, you know, as a seventh rounder, I was
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: never sure if I was going to go up or down.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: So I never really felt like I got comfortable, but
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: a guy like this is going to be given a
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: long leash. It's like, you gotta, you gotta bring them in.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: And I think it's great for the team. It's great
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: for also, sometimes it's great for that player that brings
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: them in because it's, it's kind of relaxing and you
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: think less about your own game because you're taking care
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: of this kid and you're showing him the ropes and,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: You know, you get to kind of be with this teammate,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: this young kid, and watch his zest for the game
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: and his love for the game and his excitement. and
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: almost like gives you a little bit of that that
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: dose of youth that you need so this could be
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: good for John Tavares just as as much as it's
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: going to be great for Gavin McKenna so I think
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: it's great I think every team should have guys that
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: take kids in and and I I brought in Barrett
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: Hayton when I was in Arizona for, um, parts of
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: a year. And then we got stuck in COVID the
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: COVID year together in the house. And that was probably
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: the worst thing for both of us. Cause he, I
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: wanted to kill him and he probably wanted to kill me.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: It's just two different generations living in one house during COVID. Um,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: but it was, you know, it was something I wanted
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: to do and hopefully he learned what not to do
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: for me and took like maybe one or two things, but.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: What was it that was irking you about him?
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: Just the way I realized in that moment that I
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: hated having people in my shit. And I'm particular about
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: my routine. And I didn't realize it until I had
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: somebody else live with me, a roommate. And then also,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm 30. I don't have kids at the time.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: And you get an 18-year-old.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: In your house and you don't realize that like, Oh wow,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: this is like a young kid. Like this is the teenager.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: So you're dealing with that. Um, you want to kill him,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: but I also loved him. I loved having him in
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: the house. I loved being able to talk about the game,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: you know, help him out if he needed it. He
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: was a very independent kid anyways. He was on his
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: own routine, which was good, but just being like, Hey,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: if anything you need, I'm here. Um, and then you
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: also just root for those guys. You get to know them,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: get to know their families and, Yeah, I think it's
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: important for all teams to do that, and I think
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: especially with not only the top guys, but any young
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: kid that makes the team and makes a name for
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: himself on the team, he should have a place to
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: stay and kind of learn from an older veteran, a
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: grizzled veteran.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: I remember back in the day, Crosby staying with Lemieux,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: and you go, this is unbelievable. If you're Sidney Crosby,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: you're literally studying in the tutelage of Mario Lemieux. That
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: kind of gift and those life lessons, you can't replicate those.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: Thanks for checking out NHL Unscripted, episode number 97. Thanks
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: to Christopher Stieg, two-time Stanley Cup champion. We're here every week.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: Training camp's open next week. Let's get it here on Unscripted.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: Yay, yay.
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