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In the Dark of the Night | Romanov Family · Beheaded

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_02: Hi, and welcome to episode number five of Beheaded.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_02: Hi, everybody.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, this is Megan Moore.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_02: This is Elizabeth Black, and we have a special guest here.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_03: We have a special guest star.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_03: We have a third person here for the first time.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_03: A third who's not the Iron Maiden, we should say that.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_03: Iron Maiden is still sitting here and going strong.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, thank you, Iron Maiden.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_03: But yes.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_03: Our microphone.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_03: We should probably mention that Iron Maiden is our microphone.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_03: They know the Iron Maiden by now.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's our microphone.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, back to our guests that we have.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_03: We have Elena here with us.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_03: Hi, Elena.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_03: Hi, everybody.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_03: And Elena's joining us today.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, she's one of our close friends, and uh, we'll mention why she's on the show in just a second.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_03: Um Yeah.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_02: Well Elena is from Russia.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, and our show tonight, today, is about the Romanovs, about Russia.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_02: So we thought it was appropriate to bring our very own Russia into the show.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you so much, you guys.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm super honored to be here and super excited to see you in real life doing that.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you so much again.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_02: We're trying to like act like we know how to podcast.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_02: So we're over here like fiddling with our gadgets and our sound check, and we have zero idea what gain even means.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_02: And Elena's just like, wow, you guys really know what you're doing.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_02: We're like, oh yeah, we're just crones.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_02: We're on episode five.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_02: Come on now.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_02: So we'll throw down the beach towel on this table.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_02: We got this.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_02: It looks very classy.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_02: So, um, so like I said, tonight, or to I keep saying tonight.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, it's not even tonight right now.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_02: We're in the middle of the afternoon.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_02: But um, our episode is about the Romanovs and about Russia.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_02: And Elena surprised us.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_02: So we're at Elena's house and we come in and she acts like all funny.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_02: She's like, guys, guys, guys, don't look that way, just stare at the TV.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_02: She's like, sit down and stare at the TV.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_02: We're like holding all this taco bell.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, can I put the burrito down on TV?
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_02: There was nothing on TV actually.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, I'm actually scared.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_02: This is when the Russians come at us.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_03: I was gonna say, I was like, Well, we're talking about the execution of the Romanov family today, and this is how they died.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_02: They just she brings us into a room and says, just sit here and don't say anything.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_03: She took us to the basement and was like, There's a car coming for you, just wait.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_02: No, but but it was such a nice surprise.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_02: We go into the back room and she has a full Russian spread for us.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's amazing.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, even there's yeah, there I'll explain what it is.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: So um I'm talking to the microphone.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: I have caviar.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I made, oh I'm sorry, I didn't made it.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_01: I just went to the Russian uh grocery store that we have close by.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: I got some herring, um, I got some uh Russian desserts, some uh wafli, um I got some zifir, so that's little uh squishy little things that's kind of like marshmallowy things.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we got some pointsiki, which is kind of similar to um donuts.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um we have pickled vegetables.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_01: So we have pickled cucumber and pickled tomatoes, which is so delicious, and the broth or in the liquid, it's super good for hangover next day.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, totally.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: None of us here are hungover, so I don't know why you wouldn't even mention it.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um everyone here is fine and not hungover.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_02: That those pickles really help.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, I've never had caviar before.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_02: And at first I thought it, I was like, oh my gosh, I feel so classy.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_02: We have escargot.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's like Megan, it's it's caviar.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_03: Act like you've done this before.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_02: But it's I I don't know.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_02: It was it was good, it's very salty.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's a salmon caviar, right?
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, and and the brand is it's a czar on it.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_03: So appropriate for the topic.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_03: So we came in and we were looking at that for like a good, I don't know, 30 minutes.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_03: We took pictures.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_03: We'll post a picture so you guys can see.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_03: It looks fabulous.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_03: So thank you again, Elena, for hosting us in your home and for bringing like all this bringing Russia to us.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like our Russian is gonna get better because I know you kind of started with French, Elizabeth, and I I feel like that's still going straight.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, Elena's job today is correct us for every single word we're about to butcher through this entire episode.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so you guys are lucky you get an actual expert today who knows how to say things.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um, anyway, so we'll we'll kind of start like why we decided to do um uh the the Romanov family today.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_03: It's actually kind of a funny story.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_03: Like, obviously, we've mentioned this several times on the podcast, but when we were kids, we were kids in the 90s, and obviously one of the big movies was it's a not Disney movie, which Don Bluth.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_03: Don Bluth movie.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_03: If you didn't know that, Don Bluth was a Disney animator who left Disney and started his own, like trying to rival Disney franchise.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and so he did like Thumbelina and Anastasia.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, long story short, um, this is always like something that we've grown up with and thought was a fun story.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_03: But when we met Elena, um, Anastasia the Broadway show was coming to Phoenix, and we're like, oh my gosh, we're like, we're gonna take our favorite Russian to see Anastasia, and she's going to love it and tell us like the the real history.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_03: She's gonna cry through the whole thing.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she's gonna be really emotional.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I just never watched the cartoon, it wasn't a thing in Russia, so I didn't even know about the cartoon.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's funny, there's a whole musical number called Have You Heard of the Rumour in St.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_02: Petersburg?
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_02: Have okay.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_02: Well, oh, that's the only song.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_03: Well, maybe that one other.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_03: She's just gonna bring up some other songs.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_03: But it was funny because there was there's five of us girls, and like we had this whole night, you know, we go to the theater, we had this big dinner before.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_03: Elena, how did you enjoy it?
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the part that I remember was really great.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_02: I looked over, she's passed out, like snoring asleep on her friend's shoulder.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_02: But the best part was every time, like when the audience would clap, she would just wake up and start clapping and then just go right back to sleep.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_03: And like, really, the whole reason we did this was because of you, Elena.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_03: We wanted to see like you and your element, like these like stories about St.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: Petersburg, and she's like, it was great.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know what?
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I know it's sort of inappropriate, but I think it makes the fun memories to remember that I fell asleep on the very special moment I'm honored to you.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_03: We even at some points were like, because they would show Russian, like on signage and stuff in the show.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_03: We're like, Alina, what does it say?
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_03: She's like, What?
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they were in the mirror, so like the view of it wasn't not like that.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_01: You read like it's like seeing a backwards or like the image that you see in the mirror.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: So that like I don't know why it didn't make sense.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_01: What was it, the like arrow?
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, they don't know how they read it.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: No one probably actually knows.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_01: No one fact-checked it.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_03: Or the set designer was playing with lighting and switched her.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know what they did, obviously.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_02: My favorite part though was when the show ended in Alana, you go.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think I was the only Russian there in the theater?
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, Yes, you're the only Russian and you were the only one asleep at the end.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_03: We didn't care at all about the show.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_03: This is an expensive nap.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_02: We'll just say Oh yes, that was.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_02: Expensive nap.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_02: But um it made us want to do this episode.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_03: It did, because we were talking about it like right after the show.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_03: Because we at that point we'd already started a few episodes.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and we were like, wait, this is an execution story.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah, it's a cute cartoon where a little Anastasia is found, which is false, by the way.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_03: We'll get into that.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh, you just gave away the entire episode.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, sorry.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but so we were talking about like this is an execution story, you know, about Nikolai Um Romanoff and the fall of Imperial Russia and him getting executed with his whole family.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_03: I thought it was so sad.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_03: We got very excited about it.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_03: We watched The Last Czars, we did all this research, we were we got really into the fall of Imperial Russia.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_03: Um so we want to cover that today.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_03: And really quick before we start, we also with the show were a little upset because they completely removed the character of Ross Button from the Broadway show.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh, and Bar Talk, the bat oh, and the bat.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_02: I'll give her a ha and a hiya in the kicker.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_02: That was the best part of the entire movie, and they took it out.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_03: It's true, it's the only thing people remember from the movie mostly.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_03: And her outfits.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, and her outfits, her outfits were good in the Broadway.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um but yeah, but we were really surprised because we were waiting for Ross Cuton to appear.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_03: We're like, oh, when's his song coming?
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_03: The Dark of the Night song.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_03: And he never like showed up.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_03: There was a there was a villain, but he was like a socialist soldier.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_03: Like he was a Brash Levik.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_03: Bolshevik.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_03: Bolshevik.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he was a Bolshevik soldier and he was like the main nemesis of Anastasia, and his whole thing was that his father was the one that murdered the Tsar, so he was it was up to him to find Anastasia and kill her.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_03: So they tried to make it weirdly like more historically accurate, which is funny because this is a whole inaccurate story.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_03: Like all of Anastasia's wrong, pretty much.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_03: Like Dimitri was maybe Dimitri's.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_03: Well, maybe they were character, you know, based on things that happened.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_03: They were imposters of Anastasia.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_02: They sang, have you had this?
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_03: We're gonna we're gonna cut that part out because that's now the second time we've sang it.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_03: I'm allowed one more time before it gets cut out.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so anyway, so we just thought that was interesting because watching The Last Czars, reading um all these things about Imperial Russia, Ross Button was a huge character, and he was very much like a villain in terms of how everything kind of- real-life villain.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, how it how it rolled out.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_03: So we just thought that was weird that someone decided, you know what, this is uh he's a little like of a funky character, or maybe this is too inaccurate, so they removed him.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_02: But it he's actually closer than you'd think to the real guy, so well, and then so we're you know, learning about all these facts, and just before we started recording, we're debriefing and going over our notes and kind of putting all of our findings together.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_02: And I know this is a comedic podcast, or at least it tries to be attempting to be comedic, but we literally like started crying as we're talking about it because this is a really, really sad story.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_03: It just involves, you know, the killing of an entire family all together.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_02: It is so somber, so I don't know how lighthearted we can really get once we get to the details because I don't think like we can.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, this is this is so different than any other executions because it's not that far away.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's a very recent story.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, because a lot of the things we've referenced, and we'll do a timeline check.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but we we've you know talked about things hundreds of years old, and maybe there's not a lot of facts or information, there's no real pictures or portrayals of the people.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_03: This is the first one where we dug in and there's so much information, and there's photographs of the family, and there's different accounts from different historians and people, you know, who are around conspiracy stuff in that era are still alive what actually happened.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_03: Um, anyway, so we're gonna go get started with the uh the story of Nikolai Romanoff, the fall of Imperial Russia.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_03: Um, Elena's gonna obviously correct us.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_03: That's what you're here for.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm really curious to know how much of it you learned while you were in school.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: Well, um, you know, to tell you the truth, in school it was just like, you know, one of the uh history classes, so it's not that big of a deal.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a drop in the bucket in all the history that we learned.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_01: So there's not that much emphasis specifically about this subject.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: So there's not specifically I can tell you like, hey, it was like great to learn about the X, Y, and Z.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think I learned more um when I was preparing for this thing.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: So just like looking into additional information or finding out like so much more about like, let's say, for example, Ros Pudin and how much more stuff that um, you know, like I don't want to disclose too much of information too early, but in the books it's very appropriate.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: Everything just like here's the dates, that what happened, let's move on to the next deal.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly, yeah, just kind of which is funny to me because it's the fall of Imperial Russia.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that's like our current government just like shutting down something entirely new happening, and then like a 50 years later you're in a classroom and they're like, oh yeah, and Imperial Russia fell.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well, next subject to the next one, the Tsar dynasty.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like this was the end of the dynasty, and that was a 300-year reign that this has.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, just the Romanovs.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: 300 years, yeah, and then in one night it all ends.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: If you can like think like we could potentially still have czars in Russia, how awesome would that be?
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: Elena would never left Russia.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: All these jewels.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_03: Elena would be a czarina.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: Or maybe, maybe I should do a blood test, you know, find out my ancestry.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: They never know, actually.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's crazy.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: We'll post that later.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_02: So I guess we can start off a little bit about who the Romanovs were and just their what was going on what was going on around this time.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_02: And um, but I mean this is a story about executions, and however sad this was, it's technically still an execution.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_02: So we're really gonna focus on the that dreaded night.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: But um yeah, but yeah, let's talk a little bit about who they were.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so Nikolai Romano um was born a you know heir to the throne of Russia.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_03: So ever since he was small, he knew that he would be the divine leader of Russia, that he would be the emperor of all of Imperial Russia.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and he was very, very young when he took the throne.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, he was supposed to study under his father, you know, until his father's death, which he did, but his father died when he was only 49.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_03: So they obviously were expecting him to live decades and decades later.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_03: And for um Nikki, yeah, we're gonna call him Nikki.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_03: I like Nikki.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um but so so Nikki, you know, expected that he would have many more years with his father to learn how to really be a ruler, and that was just cut short.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_03: So he just grew up, you know, very rich, very spoiled in this family, expecting to take over one day.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um he met his wife when he was 16.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, that's not when they were married, but that's when they were introduced in like the royal court.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_03: They were they met at a wedding.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and uh same the it was funny because I read that his parents were really opposed to his future wife, um Alexandra.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_03: They were not impressed with her.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_03: In their words, they were like, Yeah, you you you know, you could do better essentially.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_03: They did not have a really good impression.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_03: But once the czar, his father, Nikki's father, started to get sick, they were like, You don't just get married.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you're gonna be German, right?
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_03: She was German, yeah.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_03: So um, so they just kind of rushed the marriage, like, okay, you get engaged, like that's fine, you can marry this girl, you're gonna be czar.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_03: So it was all of a sudden he went from this, you know, guy in his early 20s to just being like, Oh, I'm going to be czar now, I'm getting married now.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_03: Like, all these expectations are on me.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so they uh he took the tr the throne when he was 26.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_03: They immediately get married, like right after his father's passing, um, and then comes his coronation.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_03: And if you've seen the movie or the Netflix special, Last Czar, like it is it's so good.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_03: I I we particularly love this because it's not just a drama, it's um, you know, a documentary as well.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_03: So they show the pictures of the real people.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_03: There's historians kind of commenting and talking about I feel like this is like the first time I've ever seen that happen.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because it starts off like an actual, like you think it's just gonna be a historical fiction drama and like the crown or something like that, and then all of a sudden, like it becomes a documentary, and they're like, the czars were one of and I'm like, wait, I'm sorry, what's happening?
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_02: And I thought it'd be awkward that they go from documentary to really high-quality drama, not like a cheesy reenactment, but really good acting and all of that.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but it intertwines so smoothly.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_03: I loved it.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_03: I'm definitely a person when I watch those historical dramas.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, did that really happen?
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and I have to look things up, but like as soon as you wonder, oh, is that real?
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_03: Immediately the historians are like, So when this happened, it just gave me so much confidence in everything that they said.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's cool.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_03: So, um, anyway, so he has his coronation, and it literally, like from the get-go on the day of coronation, there are so many bad omens around his rule.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_03: Um, one of the things that happened during the ceremony, and they do show this in the uh Netflix special as well.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but I forget what you call it.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_03: We looked up the name of the thing that you wear.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_03: It's not like a jeweled crest or like a piece of jewelry that you wear over your cape.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_03: What do you call it?
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, it's like a giant, like it's like, you know, cross between like a necklace and like a sash.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_03: Like a man necklace.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: A man, a man sash, yeah, like part of like, you know, crown jewels type of thing that you know you have to wear when you do your coronation.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's like the thing, like the shoulder belt.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna call it a shoulder belt.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_03: We should bring that back in style.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like we could.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we're gonna rock it in the office on Monday.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_03: Like, sorry, this is a thing now.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_03: I put my belt on my shoulder.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's called a mantlas.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_03: It's called a mantlas.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so anyway, so that was something that actually did happen was that it broke while he was um like crossing the threshold to you know have the formal ceremony.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_03: It broke and fell.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_03: And not a lot of people noticed it.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_03: Like, no one who was in the crowd saw it.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_03: It was just the people that were standing up close to him.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but again, talk about just oh, okay, the ceremony's already off so weird to start.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_03: Superstitious in any way.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and they were all shouldn't be all superstitious.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_03: Are you telling us about some of the superstitious?
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_03: Everything we ever say to Alina, she's like, Don't do that.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_03: No matter what it is.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_03: I think like for Halloween, we had a coffin uh as a decor piece for our party, and I laid in the coffin and I was like, Oh, it's my size, and she's like, get out.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_02: Or we wanted to celebrate your birthday on a suit on a certain day, and you're like, no, you can't celebrate after the birthday.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can do it, yeah, you can do it afterwards, but not before, and there's so many more things.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_03: We always learn from Elena, so yeah, talk about like a height of suspicion and uh you know, super juju.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, bad juju.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_03: They so that happened during the ceremony, and then also they wanted the coronation to be this big festive day, you know, where people come for miles and they're you know, they're there outside uh in the fields, like you know, waiting for the new czar to be announced.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_03: And so they're giving out free food and drinks, and I think they said it's souvenir cups, even which I thought was funny, because you imagine having a souvenir cup.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_03: We talk about that all the time.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_03: Like you wrote enough.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_03: I know there's this is the first account that I saw that that's real life of like merch given out.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_02: I wonder, I'm sure it's out there in an antique store or something.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I bet someone has that kind of stuff.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_02: I do have one.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, Elena, you have a new job.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_02: Go find an antique souvenir cup.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: We'll post it when we find it.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_02: And that was in what 1896, I believe.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we're all looking at our notes really quick.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_02: Or detailed notes.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_02: I know I feel like we're so detailed in our notes before, and then we just start talking and we don't go over dates very thoroughly.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um the coronation was 1893.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I was not.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_03: Wait, nope, nope no 96.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_03: 96.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, make it.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_03: May 27th, uh, 1896.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_03: So again, so they had this big festival outside, and I I this is sad that I like find this funny, but like in my position at work, like we plan events and we give out things all the time.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: We give out like free shirts and free food, and so I can like see this as a real life thing.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_03: But what happened was people were stampeding to get the free stuff.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_03: So people were getting trampled and suffocated and like buried in the ground alive because literally, like, they were being a little bit.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: So think about also poor Russia and people not having food, and so that was the only opportunity that they can get an extra piece of bread or whatever they were giving out.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: And they didn't have enough fighting for it.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_03: They didn't have enough people managing the crowds to be like, no, no, there's enough for everyone.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sure there like wasn't a cue in place.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, forget about American, like, you know, please and thank you.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_03: These are four Russians from the country, they will run you.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_02: They're like, I will be my gods.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna have him sign it.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_03: So 1,300 people died.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_03: 1300 are usually in these things, you know.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_03: That's not like an entire concert.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_03: If like everyone just ended up.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there was like over a hundred thousand people that were there, which is you know, a big football stadium full, maybe two football stadiums with smaller.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_03: That's a good way to think of it.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like a stadium of people just all stampeding towards towards a couple of stands of free things.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so so people died, uh, you know, almost like 1,300 more were injured.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so so his brooch thing breaks, people are getting like literally killed in the field, like outside, and this is how he starts his reign.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_03: And uh they had a ball that night for his coronation to celebrate, and um, his uncles, his family were like, Go to the ball, like don't worry about the people that died outside.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_03: Because he his first thought, and he told this to his family and his wife, were like, Well, we need to pray, like, we need to pray on behalf of or go to the hospitals and go make a present and make a presentation.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_03: That's definitely something acknowledged somehow.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: And think about it, politicians now.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_02: That's something that they would do of like go make their presents, and but yeah, and so that gave a whole different image when he's like, Well, I'm gonna go party at this ball instead of it.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_03: Actually, I have a ball because I just got you know the czar title, so I'm gonna go to the ball.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so so he instead you know follows the advice of some of his family by saying, Okay, well, I guess we don't have time to deal with all this, so I'm gonna go to the ball.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_03: And so he does and he makes his first public appearance as czar, but immediately people are like, Okay, new czar doesn't care that people just died outside, like that's great.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but they you know they still believe that he's again there for them, that he is Russia because that's been ingrained in the society so long.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_03: So I feel like that was a bad way to start, but it wasn't the end all be all.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_03: There was way more that happened during his reign that caused so much more dissatisfaction.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: Well, the thing is, is he wasn't necessarily trained to be an emperor or a king.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_02: Uh what do you call it a king, Alina, or just a czar?
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_02: A Tsar.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: Tsar is the Russian.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: I said, I guess.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: Sai, which is Tsar in Russia.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: In English.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_03: They say Zarina in the show, but I love the way Elena says Zarina.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Sarica Alexandria.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_02: Alexandra.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_02: And Alexandra.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_03: We'll get it and practice it.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_03: So that's how his uh you know reign gets kicked off.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_03: And then what happens is him and Alexandra start wanting a family.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_03: They're like, okay, now that we're again, we're a young family, you're emperor, we need to produce an heir immediately.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_03: So they immediately start to work on their family.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_03: So not only have they ignored the bloody event that just happened, now they're like, okay, let's focus on us again and just worry about your heir.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_03: So they start having babies.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_03: And they have one girl and a second girl, and a third girl, and a fourth girl.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_03: And they're gonna keep trying to produce a boy, and then they finally, finally get Alexei, the youngest of the five, who is a boy.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: Kind of like that name.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_02: Alexei.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: I do like that a lot.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: That's a cute name.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: Think about it as a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: So they have five kids in total.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: There's Olga.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I'm gonna say it my way, then you can interrupt me and say the current.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: You'll say it American way, and then I'll say it Russian afterwards.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: Olga, Tatiana, Maria, Anastasia, and Alexi.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: Olga, Tatiana, Maria, Anastasia, Alexei.
• 23:08
  unknown: Oh.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: Sounds so much more beautiful when you say Alexei.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's like similar, just like Americanized version.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: So should we say Anastasia?
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, either way is fine.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: Anastasia.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: Anastasia.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: Anastasia.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: I like Anastasia too.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_03: So do you want to speak on some of the things that also happened during his reign that made him quite unpopular?
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_02: Gosh, I feel like you just I was really like focusing on that.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_03: The dev on the Devon.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: So I there's the note of Bloody Sunday, and I already you're probably more of a expert on that.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and so Bloody Sunday came later in 1905.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_03: Because, you know, in in those years from his coronation, he just starts making a series of bad decisions in terms of foreign affairs, uh, you know, when then whenever they get into like squabbles with other countries, like he just is so naive thinking like he has this God-given right to rule and to conquer.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_03: So he doesn't try, he doesn't do anything strategic.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, Well, we're gonna win because we're Russia and because I'm Tsar.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_03: You know, so it's literally he just has this very naive approach to everything that's going on outside.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_03: And again, his main focus wasn't even anything outside of his palace, it was making the family, it was making the air.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so one thing that was very, very kept under wraps was that Alexi had um hemophilia, which is a condition where he essentially bleeds excessively.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_03: He's prone to internal bleeding like any bleeding.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like bruise, but from bleeding.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: And so you well, you made some good points, Elena, about why he might he may have been a hemophiliac.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it's uh been pretty common in the you know, uh, those type of families, most like royal families, uh, because they wanted to keep it royal, so they married, you know, cousins and people that they related, like third cousins.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: So it's due to the INSA.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: So that's kind of you know creepy way to think about that, but that's actually the case.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_03: It is, and I mean it's like a show dog, you know what I mean?
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's just like uh pure issues, right?
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um so this was something that came from Alexandra's side of the family.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_03: She had um she had it in her bloodline, and of course, it was only the boy that was affected.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, imagine having four girls, we were waiting for that boy, you finally get him, and he's like a fragile piece of glass.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and they find out right away when he's an infant that he's a hemophiliac.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_03: So, or is that how you say it?
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_02: Hemophilia, hemophilia.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um so so his belly button like never fully heal healed after he was born, and again, he just continued to have like all these different things.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_03: So at this point, like the Empress is frantic and trying to find anyone because she's a very devout um religious person.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_03: She was she was actually Lutheran when they got married, and then I think she converted to like Rush Russian Orthodox um once they were married because she had to.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_03: Um but regardless of like the actual brand of religion, like she was just a very devout person and constantly prayed.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_03: And so when she had Alexi, she thought, hey, like I need to find something, anything.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_03: So she brought in monks, she brought in these mystique people who were trying to do everything that they can to heal, and it wasn't until they finally get this peasant from someone.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_02: I think his name was Gregory Rasputin.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_02: Rasputin.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_02: Rasputin.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_02: I just thought it was wild that I thought for sure in the movie that was like a fake guy.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: But he kind of so again, because this was only a hundred years ago, there's pictures of these people, and he kind of looks like him.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_02: He's just like this beard, he's just kind of creepy looking.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_02: He's very much a villain.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_02: Stringy beard, like kind of like a balding little hair sunk or like eye sunken in.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um very scary.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: He was a creep.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: So he was technically, well, they called him like a holy man or a mystic man, a monk, and he was someone that socialites would turn to and and get advice, and but he was also like this creepy sex addict.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and he was a drunk person.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_03: Like he he literally was kicked out of his village in Siberia because of theft and fighting and just general recklessness.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_03: So he went on this pilgrimage, became a monk, became this holy man just to essentially get by.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_03: And then again, once he was in um some of the larger cities in Russia, that's when he was like, Again, this oh, this person that's interesting.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_03: And he had a weird way with people where he was very direct and didn't matter your status, and you know, and so people thought he was so like trustworthy and stuff.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_03: People were like infatuated, yeah, like saw into their souls, and so people just bought all of his like snake oil essentially.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_03: They were like, Oh my gosh, this Rasputin, he just understands me, he knows how to heal like these weird.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: So he could get in people's mind and twist their like you know, thoughts and tell them what to do, and they will just like, yeah, that's it.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_02: He was like a weird sex addict though, and he would do these orgies, and then there was all these rumors, maybe probably not even rumors, that him and Alexandra had this like weird fling going on as well.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: There's not really proven, there's no proof like what I know.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_02: Except for the weren't there letters?
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but they were, but I think back in the day, like it's all like kind of based on the letters, you know, because that's how the communication held, but um, there's not really anything proved and also Ross Button was illiterate.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_03: Oh so it's kind of interesting that she would send him letters because she did, she would send him letters.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if someone would read them to him.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_03: I guess there is a scene, actually, then I mentioned it in Lassar's where he has his daughter write a letter for him.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_03: So that could have been that he was receiving letters, someone was reading, and then he, you know, dictates to people.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean, you don't have the phone to text him or call them, or but um, so anyway, so he was illiterate, but yeah, so she would send him letters, and the letters were very suggestive, like, my dear friend, like my heart aches for you.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I missed you by my side.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_03: So, yes, it could have been sexual, but it also could have just been like friend to friend, or like because he had such an influence on the boy and his healing that she was actually desperate for him.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: She was relying on him.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_02: No one could really heal her son.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_02: This is a like a disease that there's no cure for.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_02: So she would turn to him for his healing powers because people thought, like, you know, he was that person that could put his hand on someone and start to heal.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_02: And he did, like, which is like this weird, like, I think Golden believed in it so much, and the other people believed in it.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's like placebo effect.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_03: Like, placebo's proven to be real.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_03: So I think, like Elena said, the psychology of it, people believed, he believed, and because of that, like people got better, like actually got better.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so he was the only one that could heal Alexi, like actually heal him and stop bleeding.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_03: And they kept seeing like all these scenarios and signs of all these things that would happen with him, and they were like, he just has power.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_03: Well, he's a creep.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_03: And he's a creep.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_03: And I wish he was in the Broadway musical.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I wish he was in the Broadway musical, damn it.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but you know, and they even said too, like, you go, like you talked about the orgies and stuff, but that's how he would manipulate women is he he wouldn't be like, oh, I'm a sex addict, like let's, you know, let's go get going.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_03: He would be like, God wants this.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_03: Like, like you have to have sin together.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_03: You have to have sin, that's what he was saying.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, we must sin together.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_03: We must like go down this path that so we have repentance and we're holy.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_03: So he like convinced.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_03: He's like a cult leader.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, including the czars.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_02: Including the czar, yeah.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_02: He was in their close circle, and there were people around him who were warning them against putting so much trust and having him be so close.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: No one wanted him around except for except for them, and they're like, Nope, breast putin' stays.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then finally he gets murdered, um, like three times.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_03: Like a bunch of attempts.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, Lena, I was gonna ask you, like, you know, in Russia, did did they talk about the attempts on his life?
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_03: Like, it was it known that like not that I people were after this.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: I can recall, I know it was like hard like to get him, but in the job they do in it.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: But from what I learned, like from the documentaries and all of that, like it took them like several attempts to make it happen.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_03: Because what they finally did, you couldn't explain how he died.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um, they poisoned him first, right?
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_03: And then they shot him.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it was the royal family did it.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_03: So it was like a cousin of the czar, I think.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_03: He was a prince.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_03: Um The Prince.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and so he got close to Grigori and you know, invited him over and said, Oh, I need I need your help, I need your healing, and essentially tricked him into drinking wine that was um poisoned.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_03: That didn't all like really work.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_03: You should have been boiled alive for that one.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_03: Oh.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_03: Toss him into the number four.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so he uh so again he poisoned him, didn't quite work, so then they shot him.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_02: And then even that didn't work.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_03: That didn't really work.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_03: They had to like shoot him several times, and then once he was dead, they mutilated his body, they did all these terrible things to him, which it kind of deservedly so.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um but anyway, so that's not in the movie.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but he um but he died.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_03: But he Where's Bartog through all this?
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_03: Where's that?
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_03: We're sorry.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_03: I just can't figure out my timeline.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but he died in 1916.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_03: So he was there throughout the majority of the rain because the rain lasted all the way from what was 1918.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: So revolution is starting to boil up here, and what the people are most unhappy about is Nik Nikki, good old Nikki, brought the Russia into World War One, and they're really not doing well.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_02: Russia's pretty much failing at this point, and people are starving, people aren't happy, and they're kind of pissed that there is a royal family who this guy who doesn't really know politics, doesn't really know how to make these decisions and rule the country, is calling all the shots.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: So there's revolution starting, and they're socialists who are trying to get government in there and remove the royalty.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_03: And really quick, um, we've mentioned Bloody Sunday, but just so we know what that is exactly.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_03: Like it was people who were first just trying to, you know, suggest changes in government, and it's a peaceful protest.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_03: So they go to the like one of the palaces that uh Nikki and his family are in, and they, you know, are peacefully protesting with signs, they're even singing like like God save the czar.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_03: Like they're being very polite about it, just saying, Hey, we need some change, we need some reform, like best decisions aren't really being made.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_03: And in response, they are gunned down by his soldiers.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_03: Peaceful, like, you know, peacefully.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_02: And they were getting kids up in the trees, like they were just shooting everyone.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_03: And they were shooting, they just mass shot at the crowds and killed over a hundred people, um, which was known as Bloody Sunday.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_03: So, again, there's just mistake after mistake of you know, not managing the wars, not managing the people, not caring about the people, like revolting against the people, you know, just all these things um that led up to their just extreme dissatisfaction, and they even called Nicholas like Nicholas the Bloody because of how just careless he was with Lions.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_03: The drink?
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_02: No, the queen.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_03: I know, I'm kidding.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_03: I'm kidding.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_02: So, okay, I'm gonna get this name wrong.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_02: I'll say it my way.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_02: The Bolsheviks.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_02: Bolsheviks.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_02: No, they're Bolsheviks.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_02: The Bolsheviks.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_02: So this was the socialist group that was actually they were trying to turn the country more communist than anything, but they start overruling what was St.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_02: Petersburg called those Patrid Patrogam?
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: Patrick.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I don't know that.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_02: No one knows what I'm saying.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_02: I'm trying to use these words.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't know about this.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_02: St.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_02: Petersburg had a different name back then.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, St.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: Petersburg.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: St.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: Petersburg.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: Saint St.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: Petersburg?
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we used to call before.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: But it was like Petrogam.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um Petragraath.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, there we go.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_02: Petragrap.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_02: There we go.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so they're starting to take over, and that's when good old Nikki abdicates from the throne, and he's saying, Alright, maybe I'm not really cut out for this.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_03: And he not only gave up his right to rule, he gave up his son's right to rule.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_03: That's pretty heavy.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_03: And people still didn't know.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_03: Like, he they kept his hemophilia very much a secret, you know, which is why people didn't understand their like attachment to Ross Putin.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like, dude, get rid of this guy.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_03: Like, what is what are you doing?
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_03: Because no one knew that he was the only one that could heal Alexi.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so yeah, so not only did he give up his right to rule, he gave up future Romanovs, yeah, and his son.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_02: And then she starts going down.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_03: And his son didn't quite understand either, because his son grew up just like Nikki did.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_03: Like, well, aren't I meant to rule Russia?
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: He grew off really spoiled, very spoiled.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: Versus, especially versus his sisters, which were like, you know, um participating in different activities and uh helping uh like regular people.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: They had chores, yeah, they had chores in the household, they slept on clock.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they did like uh regular things in the like yard and farming and stuff like that, where um Alexei was really spoiled and he knew he's gonna be next generation and he's gonna we're s at least supposed to rule the country where he would be kind of naughty and like maybe even a little disrespectful to some people because he's he spoke to people very harshly.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because he knew he's the next one.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_03: Well, and because he's not allowed to do a lot of physical things because of his condition.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_03: Like some of the things.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_03: So it's he's literally carried around, like he's like a dog on a pillow, just like a boy.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like he just had a crazy sense of himself because he knew he was delicate and knew he couldn't do a lot, but he also knew he had supreme like power and could just boss people around and do whatever.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_03: So he had very interesting psychology.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and then they basically put the family under house arrest.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_02: And they this is coming from the Bolsheviks.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_02: And so they started off in Alexandra Palace, but they got moved around a couple times.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_02: They had many palaces.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_02: They had many palaces.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_02: But in the end, they ended up in okay, here I go.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_02: Ready?
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yekin Direnberg.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yekitirinburg.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's pretty good.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna think that was pretty close.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yek Direnberg, Russia.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um kind of like in this mansion that the Bolsheviks took over.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_02: They actually called it the House of Special Purpose.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the House of Special Purpose, and that was intended.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_02: They kicked out whoever the homeowners were, and they took over it to do their business, but they kept the Romanovs in there.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_02: And this is all five kids, plus some, you know, their household, and they had like their doctor and the teacher, the yeah, the teacher.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_02: So they were basically held captive there for 78 days.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_02: And at this point, they I mean they had no contact with the outside world, they were allowed to have exercise out in the garden once a day, but they had very high walls.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_02: No one, no one knew what was going on with the Romanovs, and they had to keep telling the you know, assuring the the people of Russia that they were safe and they are secure, and but people didn't really know what was going on with them.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_02: There wasn't any solid news going out.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_03: But they were also used to being isolated from the family anyway, because they were such a secretive family and kept to themselves.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_03: So, I mean, they were curious, but again, it wasn't really different from the norm.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's not like they made all these public appearances and again did all these.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: But also, the rumor has it that this place was actually pre-selected for a murder.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: So they did it, they did select it that place specifically because it was fine way before 1918.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: So it was like very like planned about this place and who owned it and all stuff like that and what's gonna happen in this place.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and and the family really doesn't know what's going on.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, rather, besides the fact that the this revolution this like socialist revolutionaries are holding them captive and under house arrest.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and they had a very optimistic sense of things, like, well, we're just being held right now, but it's gonna like things are gonna come back.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_03: Like socialists are not gonna prevail, and like someone's gonna save us, like someone's coming for us.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_03: And what the Bolsheviks did too was they would slip them notes, like fake notes in the house that were basically they they thought they were from the outside, and they were they were like, Oh, like from an anonymous admirer, anonymous like supporter, don't worry, like things are gonna be okay.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_03: We're coming for you, we're coming for you.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_03: You know, we're gonna give you a signal, and at that signal, please like exit the house.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_03: So it was kind of their hope that they wouldn't have to come to the execution on their own.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_03: Like they were hoping that the family would flee, and that's when they would kill them.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, also not only that, I I read some accounts where they didn't even really know that they were going to execute them up until July.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like they it there really weren't any solid plans in place, and it was kind of just like go with the flow of things and and get through this.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um so the execution.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: Well, well, really quick though, I I thought this was kind of cool, and and so I'm glad they also put this into the the Netflix documentary, but some of the guards started like getting a little laxer on them because there's this family of teenage girls, beautiful, beautiful teenage girls, and you can imagine like they're also a bit of like a normal family, and they start like putting their guards down a little bit, and one of the the their guards down there they are guards.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, one of the guards really got friendly with Maria.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and they even brought in a birthday cake, like snuck in a birthday cake for her 19th birthday, which was the month before they were killed.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_02: And um, yeah, so and who knows what happened in them in the movie they executed him, but we don't know what to do.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we don't know if that was true.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, but they had to change guards because of that because every time that they brought um, you know, some new ones, they again would sw uh get too close with the family.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_03: And how can you not when it's just a family of innocent girls, you know, who are just like being silly and just hanging around the house and talking to you, and they're again they're pretty naive.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_02: They're pretty naive about what's happening and how serious the situation is.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um okay, so the execution.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's so sad.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: It is so sad, so sad.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_02: So it's middle of the night, July.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_02: Technically July 16th, but it goes into July 17th.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so like the early hour of 16th to 17th.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um first they wake up the Dr.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_02: Boken.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_02: Is that his name?
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_02: Botkin?
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_02: I mean Botkin.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_02: Botkin.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and he's already up, he's in his room, like writing in his journal, and he tells them, hey, get get the family up, get them dressed to go on a long journey.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_02: So everyone gets out of bed and they get fully dressed and they all make their way down to the basement.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and one thing to note too is uh they what they did, the the women, is they sewed their jewels into a lot of their clothes.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um because they didn't want, you know, anyone stealing them.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_03: They weren't, I think they were de like deprived of a lot of their luxuries, so they hid all this jewelry and they sewed it like in their bodices and you know, hats and different things, so that way, like anytime they were traveling or being moved, they didn't have to like carry a bunch of stuff.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_02: They were hiding it, yeah.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_03: They they were hiding this jewelry um in their clothes.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's a that's a really important point, actually.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_02: So they're all getting hopeful, like, okay, that there's a car coming and we're gonna get out of here.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and really what was happening was the white guard was coming in, and these were like the team Nikki supporters, and uh the Bolsheviks knew of this, and they're like, Okay, now now's the time.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_02: Like, we they they could be coming in to get saved, and we need to do something about this.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_02: So they're leading the family on to think that they're gonna be getting out.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_02: They get them downstairs in this basement.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_02: Alexandra was sick.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know with it.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_02: Sounds like I don't know.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: Not sure what she's like, not sure, but not like a cold sick, but like a little more serious, more serious than that.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_02: So she gets a chair and she also asks for a chair for Alexi because he's you know glass boy.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_02: So they bring down chairs for them, and they're sitting and they're waiting, and they actually said like they posed together for a picture because they wanted to release this picture to be like, yep, the whole family's here and they're fine.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but so they're already in this position, like a family photo.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_02: So um with Alexi and Alexandra sitting in these chairs and the family kind of around them, and they're all kind of posing, and then oh man, I can't even like it.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_02: This is just such a sad story.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_02: I think because these kids and everything.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um who is the commander, the commander tree?
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yurovsky, Yurovsky.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yurovsky and Trotsky also was participating, but Yurovsky would be a good one.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: He was like the chief executioner, chief executioner.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah, so so they're waiting in this room for for quite a while, and again, not just not sure what's happening, they think there's a car coming, and then all of a sudden, um Jurovsky comes into the room and he looks at Nick at Nikki and he reads his death sentence, and Nikki had no idea what was going on.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_03: And the death sentence was Um Nikolai Alexandrovich, in view of the fact that your relatives are continuing their attack on on Soviet Russia, the Ural Executive Committee has decided to execute you.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_03: And then Nikki faces his family and he says, What?
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_03: And immediately they start firing, and so they respond.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: But it's like zero well so every execution we always like talk about or hear about and won't we know is there's a trial, they are prepared, they make their last, you know, testaments and they Or at least they mentally know sort of what they're doing.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they get a speech and they think about it out of the blue for them.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_02: They just moments before they thought that they're l they're like bundling up, like ready to go outside, and they're like, Oh, what?
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, oh, this is an execution of us.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_02: So out of the blue.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, oh sorry, really quick.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_02: I I saw another interesting fact that they had a fiat truck waiting outside, and they heard that truck and they thought it was gonna be their escape truck.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_02: But they on purposely chose a fiat truck because it was so loud, so they started the engine with the shots so that it would cover the sh the noise of the shooting.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then it was the truck to carry their bodies out.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, geez.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_03: Ugh.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so so he shot, uh Nikki shot first, and he shot like repeatedly in the chest.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_03: So he he dies first.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_02: He's instant.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so after a few, you know, bullet wounds to the chest, he he dies.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um there's 12 men come in fully armed.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, 12.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, with like just guns ready to go.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_03: Guns with bayonets, also, that comes into play.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so then obviously the the family is, you know, hysterical, they're terrified.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but the next one they get is Alexi.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_03: And what's interesting is Alexi also had jewels on him.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_03: So he had jewels in his hat and jewels in his I think shirt.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so they start going after him.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_03: And it like they said specifically that it took an entire magazine to kill him.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_03: Because it was ricocheting because the jewels.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_03: It was because bullets were ricocheting, and there was so much like gunpowder and you know, dust and everything, uh plaster from the walls kind of popping off.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_03: So it was hard to see.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_03: So people are, you know, crouching down or trying to escape or whatever, and so it's kind of madness in the room.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_03: And so they had to wait for Leia to open the doors and like have all the dust clear and then continue to fire.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_03: And they're all screaming, yeah.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_02: And also, like this was just so ill-prepared on every single level.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_02: They were drinking, they were drunk.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_02: They it said that one of the leaders all he could get was Maria in the thigh.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so they couldn't even aim at that because they were so this was not a quick death.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_03: No, in total, this lasted it's interesting.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_03: We we have two different accounts.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we read that it lasted as short as 20 minutes, which is not short, not short to be shooting at a family for that long.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_02: And then Alina said that she's interesting sources though.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um there's a couple of things, uh, a couple of resources that I looked into, and then uh there's some different uh thoughts about that.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: So uh from what I know, it's they were doing it for two hours straight, so which makes it like so 11 people that who they were shooting, so it was roughly 700 bullets, which made it makes it 60 to 70 bullets per each person, which is like incredible.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_01: And just if you take if you think about that, like 20 minutes is long enough, like how much damage you can do for two hours, so and again, it was because of all their jewels that they were wearing and things too.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_03: So it was a combination of the smoke, the dust, the jewels per like literally like bulletproof vests, you know, all around, and they're all all over them, so they're guarding their bodies.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_03: So if they got their limbs or anything, obviously they weren't dying from that.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_03: And they said even like they tried to pierce one of the daughters with the bayonet, like in her chest, it didn't go through.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_03: So they went around and stabbed them, so they were doing so.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_03: They were trying to kill them, but they had to be able to do that.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_02: If they saw any breathing, they would stab them with the bayonets.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I feel like in most of our episodes, we have to talk about a dog.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_02: There was Joyce also in the room.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_02: Was Alexi Spaniel, and don't worry, out of all of this, Joy was the only survivor.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh and oh my god, she was crying over because of the little dog.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_03: I know we we all have little animals, and it's sad to think like that the dad the dog had to witness all of this and realize he's like his family is completely gone.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness, but but okay, out of any of this, a silver lining, the dog gets adopted by a a British colonel and has a new family, and lives out the rest of his days in peace.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_02: But we can see though why there's so many rumors about what happened to like maybe Anastasia survived, or one of one of them, but they thought it was Anastasia mostly.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we'll get into about the bearing of the bodies and whatnot.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_02: But you can see, like, it wasn't they all died instantly, and I think that's what's so horrible about this.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, they were still saying when they were loading bodies in the uh trunks of the cars, they were some of them were still alive.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: So two hours after, or whatever the time frame is, the body's still alive.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: So the controversy at least two girls they said were still breathing.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but did they do it on purpose?
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_01: How did it happen?
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_01: Did they make them like die slowly?
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_01: There is another um resource saying that supposedly there was beds that they were removed from um the house the next day because uh they they found some uh evidence that the of the gunshots and bullets in the battle was it done beforehand and they just made them die slowly.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_01: So there's not specific things that we can confirm, but regardless, it doesn't sound like a documentary.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_03: Ugh.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and we could talk about what they did with the bodies too.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, so the plan was to go to a this mine that there was 25 other assailants who are meeting them, and they were gonna bury all the bodies and all the evidence in these mines.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_02: First of all, they show up and they don't even have shovels.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_02: Like they're like, where are the shovels?
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_02: Telling you how prepared they were about this, and they're all drunk.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_02: And all the all the people that they're going to meet, they're all drunk.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_02: So the mine, it's not deep enough, it doesn't fit.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_02: It was eight foot long.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_02: I can just imagine one guy be like, oh, who oh, I thought that would fit.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, do you mean they weren't?
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_02: You were fired.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_02: I shouldn't joke.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um not the people you want to piss off, let's just say that.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_03: Gosh.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_02: So then they're driving through the forest, and then they they basically just kind of like stop out in the middle of nowhere, and they they split up the bodies, right?
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_02: Because they don't want to put them all next to each other.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they couldn't.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_02: They couldn't, yeah.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_02: And then they use sulfuric acid and they kind of mutilate the bodies and they're trying to disfigure them, and they bury them, and um, which brings us to mostly modern day.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_02: Well, actually, so then in the so with all of this, and there's so much conspiracy, people really don't even know.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_02: They actually only said that Nicholas died at first and said the rest of the family was.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and that's fine.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_03: A question I had for Elena too, because they they said that they didn't want to release right away that they'd murder the whole family.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_03: They wanted it to be known that like the Tsar was executed for his crimes against the country, but they didn't they didn't really want to justify, like, oh, he also killed all of his family and his daughters, his teenage daughters who are just innocent people.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so I don't know like how they went about finally telling people or who knew.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I don't know if either.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, here's a quote.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_02: It said, um, they announced Nicholas's death, but they said, Wife and son are sent to a safe place.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_02: Safe place in heaven.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they just did not want to back in the day when it's actually happened.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, they did not want to admit it because it just straightforward not gonna look good.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_01: But when they found the remains, you know, it's in the 1991 when they found the remains, and then um in the early two 2000s, you know, obviously it's a little bit different story, but you know, at that time they did not want to look bad, that you know they they just executed the whole family.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_02: The whole family.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_02: And you can imagine now why you know the they couldn't kill them right away.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_02: There's smoke and it's just chaos in mayhem.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_02: So there's that one glimmer of hope that maybe Anna Anastasia.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_02: Anastasia.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_02: I'm really bad at other languages.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_02: Anastasia survived.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_02: So this is of course going back to all the the legends and the stories, and um all of these quote unquote Anastasias in the 1930s start popping up.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_02: And there was one lady, Anna Anastasia.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_02: Who was very convincing, very convincing, where she even almost had like her grandmother and her aunt convinced.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um but yeah, she had the same like defects on her body as Anastasia, you know.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_03: She knew she practiced well, they say this in the last hours, but had practiced her signature over and over, so had the same pen penmanship, you know, so everything matched up to have people think, wow, a daughter escaped and this is her.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_02: It kind of gave the country a glimmer of hope though, you know, of course.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_03: Which is something that's so interesting because it's like the country hated the Romanos so much, and then they were murdered, and then they were like, um, they were like, oh my gosh, wait, there's one daughter who might have survived.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_03: So it's kind of funny the the paradox of like we hate this rich family who only thinks about themselves, but at the same time, there's so many, you know, people claiming to be Anastasia and wanting an Anastasia and all of that.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_02: So um, yeah, I guess that brings us to basically modern day where they're starting to remain.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_03: So it's a timeline.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_02: Parts of it in 1976 first, like 79.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_03: 79, like an amateur guy came across it.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_03: He did, yeah.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_03: He found um he found Nikki, he found Alexandra, he found three of the daughters.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but it wasn't until like Elena said the late 90s where they um, I believe found the rest.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_03: So it was the remaining daughter and Alexi.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_03: And because Maria and Anastasia were the closest in age, like they had a really hard time deciding like who was who, um, which added to the myth of Anastasia, obviously.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but they finally were able to, I think they said in '98, that's when they could do DNA testing.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so they actually held a funeral for them, like a proper burial, a proper funeral.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um, it's so sad to see because they had like little caskets for the little bodies and everything.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_01: Oh gosh.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: So we were reunited after 90 years.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_01: The family swung back together.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna cry right now.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_03: You were in Russia in that time.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_01: I was.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_01: I can't.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: Tell us.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: Tell us.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, tell us every day.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_02: Elizabeth and I just got like real close and grabbed her wine glasses and we're like, tell us.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, I wish I can say a little bit more about that time or something that I specifically remember.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_01: I was little, so I can't say much, but I know overall it's really was an important time because you know, they actually became saints uh after it all happened, which is like a big deal.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_01: It was recognized by the church.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and they actually have uh they built a church uh on um the site where they were all murdered.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they destroyed that house, right?
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, the house was destroyed like shortly after their death.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know, is it not to discover any other potential evidence or whatnot?
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: But uh now there there's actually church it calls church on the blood, uh obviously because it built on the actual blood and all this uh shooting and all this crazy things happen.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_01: So um was it on the news or anything?
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_01: It was, it was uh on the news.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_01: I again like I personally don't necessarily remember, but yes, it's uh was a pretty interesting situation in the news when they were discovering the bodies and trying to do DNA tests and making sure that they actually related and you know to support all the evidences and make sure it's all parts of uh the family, all the members who were there.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, freaking Don't Earth with his marketing.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it's funny because like Anastasia, yeah, the the movie came out in '97.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, at this point, you already know.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_03: So that it's not Anastasia.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_02: Anna Anderson died in the in the US in 1984.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_02: She still claimed to the day she died that she was.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_02: Claim to the day she did, but but because they could do all this DNA testing now.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_03: They've proved that she she was an imposter.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_03: It was also found that she was actually like a psychiatric patient, like she was literally a crazy person.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so she probably actually believed.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_03: I was gonna say she probably convinced herself that she was Anastasia and has false memories and all of that.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, so so that's kind of funny.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, maybe that's why Don Bluth's um, you know, brand didn't take off the ground.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I don't know if that's like really great timing or really bad timing.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_03: Too soon, too sensitive?
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_03: Because it's like he sees Disney do like Pocahontas, and he's like, you know what, I'm gonna do a movie about a historical female, this you know, fairy tale.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_02: Only Dimitri actually pulled her out through there was a door.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_03: Oh gosh.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_03: And it's funny when you think of the movie like when you're a kid.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_03: I know you didn't see it when you were Kitalena, but you know, you don't you have no idea what's happening because it's just this attack on the thing.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_03: And the grandma and Anastasia really go away, and you just assume you don't even know what happened to the family.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_03: They don't address that in the movie.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_03: As a kid, you're like, okay, so she's with her grandma and they leave and we just know the family died, but well, we didn't know we didn't know how they died.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we assumed there was actually zero mention, so it didn't even cross my mind.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so very, very sad story.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_03: And again, we try to keep it, we try to keep it light on this podcast, but there's really no way to keep we need a funny execution now.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_03: Let's go back to the good old let's go back to boiling routines.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but but an execution nonetheless, and uh it's interesting to think how so much history could fall like over you know a 20-year period.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_02: Well then that I know we already mentioned this, but the pictures that we have of it, and we have pictures of Anastasia and the family and all the kids and how beautiful those daughters were, but then there's also pictures of what the room looked like after the shooting.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I want a picture of this dog.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_03: Seriously.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I would love to see a picture of the dog.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_03: If anyone has information, I know we have listeners in England, and hopefully some new listeners from Russia will come from this.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_03: That would be cool.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_02: Elena do we're relying on you.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we do.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_01: Russian people join some.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_01: Say it in Russian so that they know what you're saying.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_02: She's talking bad about us.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_02: She's like actually.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_02: Run.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_02: These girls do not know what they're doing.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_03: You're crazy.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_03: I just made them so much food and now I'm gonna go back and eat some of these.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_02: What do you what's this um fluffy one?
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_02: What's that called?
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_02: Uh zihir.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's not a marshmallow.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's marshmallow type of dessert.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's way better.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's soft.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's soft.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_02: This is our segment of the day called making it.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't describe it.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's like it tastes like a snowball.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_02: Ew.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_02: Try that.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_03: Oh.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_03: You don't have it yet?
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's strawberry, it's very sugary.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's really good.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_03: Oh.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_03: Oh.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_03: That's an interesting texture.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_01: It is kind of like pure sugar.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_03: There's like a hint of lemon or citrus.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_02: It does taste like a ball of sugar, but it's really good.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_03: It's a lot of sugar.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_03: I kind of like that.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_03: It's gluten-free.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_03: I never.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, our yeah, our favorite Russian is also gluten-free.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_01: All gluten-free Russian snacks.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_03: No, they are not.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't need the good stuff, unfortunately.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_03: Um, thanks for listening.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, thank you, Elena, for joining us.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_03: We are so excited.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_03: It's literally because of you, and because we went to the show that we wanted to do this.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_03: Like, oh my gosh.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_01: Should we go see it on Broadway again?
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so excited, and again, I'm so, so, so much honored.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I've been telling everyone, oh my gosh, this weekend I'm gonna be really busy.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm participating.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_01: Podcast, and I'm gonna be famous.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, shout out.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_02: We have some new listeners too, it looks like.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_02: So we have we've gained some listeners in Saudi Arabia and Morocco.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_02: Our percentage in England went up a little bit.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_01: Can't Russia come through, please.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_02: We're waiting for some Russians.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we we want to hear your feedback.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_02: We still don't have a lot of comments, so we're just gonna keep doing what we're doing because we think we're doing great.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_03: But tell us, but also if there are people that have any, again, more information about this, we'd love to know.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_03: Like, if you saw this on the news, like if you saw the burial on the news, if you were in attendance, if you did anything, I don't know, kind of around it.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_03: Like, we love just hearing different people's perspectives.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_02: If your grandparents, not grandparents, great-grandparents were there at the coronation and if they got a souvenir cup.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, and if you have I guess I'd be like great-great-grandparents, depending on how old you are.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_03: That's true.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_03: Well I don't know.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_03: It's pretty recent.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_03: But um, but yeah, so and we'll do a timeline check.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_03: I know I I mentioned this, I think, in our last episode.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but next episode we will have our segment will be a timeline check so we can talk about all the things we've discussed so far and like put them in order essentially.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um, because we do skip around a lot, that's intentional, but we want you guys to stay up on your history.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_03: And uh we still don't have a sign-off.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_03: Elena, do you have a sign-off for us?
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think about it?
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_03: I don't, but I did find the dog.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_03: Oh wait, no, you have a picture of the dog! Oh, wait, wait, which one?
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_03: There's multiple dogs.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_02: That one?
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_02: The fluffy one?
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_02: It was like a fluffy dog.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's a spaniel.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, he looks like it's a she.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_02: Her name is Joy.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_02: She's driving.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_03: She looks like an English Springer Spaniel, um, and she's got very fluffy, like perm-esque hair on top.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_03: I hope she didn't get hurt.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_03: Very cute.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_02: Again, save the dogs.
• 1:01:28
  unknown: All right.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's very interesting, but say a sign-off in Russian so people think we have a sign-off.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, do we have a sign-off?
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_03: Do you want to uh make one for us?
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_01: До скорой встречи на следующих эпизодах.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_01: You heard it first.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_00: Have a good night.