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No One Is Coming to Save You. How to Write the Affidavit That Gets a Case Opened. | Ep 18 · The Stand with Meg Show

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to the Stand with Meg Show.
• 0:01
  SPEAKER_02: I'm your host, Meg, and this is episode nine.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so excited.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_02: And once again, thank you, Sean, for coming to teach us about fraud.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_02: So, how are you?
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_01: Uh great.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm really celebrating being a man today because all I had to do was change my tie.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_02: Oh you know, but we're trying to do different episodes.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_02: Change clothes.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you know, of course.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_02: I try to keep it simple now.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_02: I can use the same colored heels and the same pants and just change the top.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_02: Because I got changed earrings, rings, everything.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: I changed my tie.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's not fair.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_02: And then I have to do all that still.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I can change glasses to match.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's a very human thing that happens.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry it's so great being a man.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_02: We still have hair issues, though, with you.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's fair.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_01: We do have hair issues.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: And also, women rule the world, really.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: Thankfully, you all are gentle masters.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, what is on the agenda today?
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, we are gonna talk about how to file a law enforcement affidavit.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_02: So you're finally gonna teach us how to file this.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: Look, Meg, I want you and everybody else to know no one's coming to save you.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_01: Okay?
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_01: No one's coming to save you.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_01: All of the complaints filed by the Department of Justice and law enforcement agencies that I have shown you thus far, they didn't come from lawyers.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: They came from victims who went to either the Office of Disciplinary Counsel for their state or to a law enforcement agency complaining about fraud.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_02: Correct.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, so no one's coming to save you in the court system.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: You've got to learn how to draft your own probable cause affidavit.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_02: I'm excited to learn this.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_02: I know you guys all are too.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: Because these people, look, hold this up.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: They're not gonna quit.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: And they're gonna lie.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're gonna quit.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: And they're gonna say that you're crazy and nothing's wrong and everything's working fine.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_02: Just like the last episode, we talked about the G A L that continually go and get people like, well, I'm getting away with it.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'll keep doing it.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't turn himself away in.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: And he was taking advantage of children.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: And stealing money.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: Arguably, allegedly, human trafficking.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's money that would not have existed but for orders appointing that guardian ed lightem.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay?
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: So these people are not gonna turn themselves in.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: They're not gonna come clean.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: You can catch them red-handed, and they're gonna gaslight you and they're gonna say you're the crazy one, you should lose custody.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's how it's gonna work.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_01: So, if we want to catch the teleguardian ad lightum and the telejudges and the teletherapists and all these fraudulent court actors, we need to learn how to draft probable cause affidavits.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, teach us how there, criminal law attorney.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, hold these up.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_02: You guys, if you don't understand any of these, make sure you go check out little other episodes.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, so this is our cast of characters.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: We're using hypothetical cast members.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_01: This is our our law enforcement task force, right?
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_01: These are a mix of feds and you know, city, county, local law enforcement.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: And that historically is what you do when you take on big cases.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: But here's our lowly little police officer, okay?
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: And the question that comes to mind in this case with this police officer is did the police officer miss on purpose, or is the police officer just swinging the bat for the first time?
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's on a T.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_01: The ball's on a T, okay?
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_01: The kid's surprised, the crowd is surprised.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how did this officer miss?
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: Is it a joke?
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: If the officer misses twice, then you know the officer is willfully ignorant, deliberately indifferent, trying not to hit the ball.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_01: Which is why everybody needs to know how to draft their own probable cause affidavit.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna look at some real probable cause affidavits.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_01: These are complaints for wire fraud, making false information, mail fraud, and other crimes, and they all wound up as indictments.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm gonna put this down in plain English.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_02: This is people that have filed mandarandums, which is what?
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's an affidavit.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_01: So let's look it up.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: Look at this, okay?
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: Hold this up.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: This is an affidavit, okay?
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_02: Meaning it's true.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_02: The person that wrote this means an affidavit means this is what happened to me, and I'm under perjury of law telling the truth.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: These cops, they're this is what they do.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: They put together an investigation and they prepare an affidavit.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: And that affidavit lays out what they know.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: What happened?
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_01: What happened?
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: Who knew what, where it happened, when, why, why, etc., etc.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_01: etc.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: Now take a look at this one.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: You can see there's no numbers on it, right?
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's not a numbered paragraph affidavit.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's just, yeah, it's I'll put it on the screen.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_02: So it's 2025, last year.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_02: And this is said this is the state, Kansas State versus Sedwick County.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: This is the affidavit that resulted in this complaint.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_02: In what complaint?
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_02: Remember on a new company.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_01: The complaint against Sean Pete McMahon.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_02: So we're talking about the same we talked about last week and the other episode of the the Sean is a police officer, right?
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_02: That didn't report abuse.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_01: Allegedly.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_02: Allegedly.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_02: And so this is an affidavit from the county against him.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: You can see there's some redacted portions, but by and large, the entire affidavit is left open.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: And it's written kind of in in letter format, okay?
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_02: So this is about in 2021, the DCF received a tip that an 11-year-old had been inappropriately touching a four-year-old.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_02: The case was assigned to Sean.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_02: How do you pronounce his name?
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_02: McComan?
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_01: I would say it's probably McMahon.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_02: McMahon?
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_02: McMahon, who was a detective assigned to it.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_02: He was assigned to the Explodium Missy Children's Unit, EMCU.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_02: Sean Den a few weeks later.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_02: A week later actually.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um Sean, I like the name.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_02: And DCF investigator Lexi from DCF conducted an interview, and she brought it to the child advocacy center by her mother.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_02: The mom's name.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_02: During the interview, the bull the body parts by using diagrams that Lexi had provided.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_02: Sean's written report stated, as I quote, is a bright, happy little girl who knew her birth date and articulated very well.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_02: She was able to identify body parts on a diagram and could do I can never say the word.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_02: Didn't if you're straight.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_01: Differentiate.
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  SPEAKER_02: Differen differentiate the diagrams from either a boy or a girl.
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  SPEAKER_02: She was also able to describe the three locations on the girl and the two locations on a boy that people are not supposed to look or touch.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_02: As the interview conducted, she said she would stay at her grandmother's house when her mother would go to work.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_02: She said that is her uncle and Kaika calls reports.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's hard because so many there's so many things, but give me the runs of it.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_02: Because I I mean people want to know, because you get to really people want to know this the the story because it this happens all the time.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_02: And so what happens is I haven't had time to read this whole thing.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_02: And it'll be on the screen.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_02: You can also see multiple pages.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_02: And it's multiple pages.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_02: But they literally tell everything that this happened to this little girl, right?
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_02: And how this detective did not report and did not follow through, apparently.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_01: Let me point out a few key things.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_02: I recommend downloading it and looking at it.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's a good template.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, a template.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's a good example of quality writing.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: The person puts a header.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: State of Kansas, Sedgwick County, right?
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: Now you know where it is, what state it's in, jurisdiction.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good template.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: You can copy and paste that into your company.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: Keep talking about it.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: I want to see something.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: The next thing you can see.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, so I thought when I said this earlier, I thought the county wrote this.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_02: No, the witness, a complaining witness, signed it.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_02: So that's why this is a template.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_02: That was my question.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, the complaining witness, okay?
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: So I, AD Perkins, number badge number 1957, of lawful age and being duly sworn on oath, depose and state.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_01: Your affian is a detective.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it was a Wichita Police Department detective who was investigating a detective.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I got that wrong.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so anyway.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_02: Get your facts straight.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: I know, right?
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so Wichita Police Department investigated itself.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_02: So the detective went against another detective.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_02: And then it was a girl, right?
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_02: Was it a girl detective?
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: And then they involved uh the Sedgwick County Sheriff's Department in in June 2025.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_02: But it was a woman police officer that said, hey, this guy detective is not doing his job.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: So it was somebody in the Wichita Police Department that was saying Wait a minute.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_02: Good girl!
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, high five for the ladies.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um why wouldn't the guy want to do that?
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_02: He had there had to been some connections or something going on why he didn't want to do it.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: Well, there's gonna be a jury trial.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_02: So we'll be able to find out.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_02: And that's in November, isn't it?
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_02: No, that was the other case, sorry.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: I this is a 2025 case.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know when the jury trial is, but that's that's part of why you have a jury trial, is because the community has an invested interest in knowing the full story.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: So um anyway, this is a good template for somebody to to copy.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: At the end it says further affiance say not, has their name, and then has their signature, and it's notarized.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: And what that does is that shows that this is a person submitting this under oath.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: They're a real human being who took their driver's license in front of a notary, and everything that they're saying in their affidavit, they are saying under oath, penalty of perjury to a law enforcement officer, this is true.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay?
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: And and that's incredibly powerful.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_02: So I have a question.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_02: If a detective in a police station files his evidence and it goes to the DA, if the DA doesn't look into it and prosecute, that's the DA's fault, not the detective, correct?
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yes, and historically that's how law enforcement agencies get out from under a family or a victim who's upset, is they'll forward the case to the prosecutor's office, and when the the victim or the family comes banging on the door like, where's justice?
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: the law the officers say, Well, we gave it to the county attorney's office.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, our investigation is concluded, we forwarded it for criminal charges, and that kind of gets the victim, the family off their back.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: Now it's somebody else's job.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_02: Problem.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_02: Pass the book.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: Now, this is where you get these, you know, gutless prosecutors.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: They care more about their reputation, or some of them are just lazy, or some of them are stupid, some of them are incompetent.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly, I would be unemployed if prosecutors got it right all the time.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um in fact, by and large, it's not law enforcement officers who screw up in the cases that I win.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: They definitely do screw up sometimes in the investigation, you know, their bias, not looking into things that are exculpatory.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: But prosecutors, they make poor charging decisions.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: They don't follow up, they don't, they misinterpret the law, they have their personal biases, they have their professional biases.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yes, once it goes to the prosecutor's office, the prosecutor's office could have a slam-dunk case.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: And this there's actual situations where law enforcement agencies and prosecutors' offices are kind of at war with one another because the cops are saying you're not doing your jobs prosecuting these cases, and the prosecutors are saying to the law enforcement agencies, you're not doing your job investigating the cases.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_02: Can DAs get in trouble?
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_02: Prosecutors get in trouble?
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: DAs get in trouble all the time.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_02: Good to know.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I have I have not but is a pa I'm sorry, go ahead.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I have never brought a a malicious malicious prosecution case against a district attorney.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but I certainly would.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_02: So would then if a per if a district attorney is doing something, so can parents call the district attorney, let's say their child was in foster or something and got hurt and no one prosecuted that parent, that foster parent, do they have a right to contract contact the prosecutor and say, why aren't you prosecuting?
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: And these prosecutors are not completely devoid of resources.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: They have private investigators.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: And so if law enforcement drop the ball, the prosecutor's office can hire their own private investigator to conduct an investigation.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_02: So once again, don't give up.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_02: And ask the you can then ask the police station or sheriff what where the file, what prosecutor went to, correct?
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: Look, you can go from place to place newspaper, investigative uh news reporters, police department, sheriff's department, FBI, IRS, DEA, uh administrative agencies, you know, licensing authorities, um, and then prosecutors' offices.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: And you can go bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: You can go back and forth and get them all, because that's democracy.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: We have a system where if somebody over here is not doing their job, somebody over here might.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_02: Get your brain.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_02: You could almost literally all you do is investigate family court and report fraud.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_02: You'll have multiple.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I that's what I'm trying to say is I think that there's a vibrant black market economy that needs to be exposed here.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that there's significant assets that could be recovered for both personal injury attorneys and for law enforcement agencies who want to go after fraud.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 15:23
  unknown: Right.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: I I think that this narrative that if you're calling family court a fraud, that you're just a sore loser, I think it's lost its steam because there's so many victims out there.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'll tell you another thing is law enforcement agents have a really high divorce rate.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so many of them know best that the system is flawed and probably are looking for a reason to get into it.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: So let's look at another affidavit.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: This is um uh FBI affidavit by a special agent.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: Take a look at this and look at how short this is.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_02: Connecticut, 2021.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_02: Support a criminal complaint.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: So this is an affidavit in support of a criminal complaint.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: I am a special agent with the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_02: I have been employed by FBI for over 22 years.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_02: Prior to becoming a special agent with FBI, I was a commissioned officer.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's a lot easier to read when there's not little dots.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_02: My brain was not good for that.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um FBI, I was a commissioned officer of the United States Coast Guard for approximately six years.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: I graduated from the FBI Academy.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_02: So he submitted this and arrest I submit this affidavit in supportive application for a criminal complaint and arrest warrant for Michael Desmas for a violation.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_02: So he's asking them to arrest Michael.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: This is a this is I showed you a law enforcement affidavit from a Wichita police department detective, okay, in state court.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: This is an affidavit from a special agent in the Federal Bureau of Investigation for a federal crime, specifically wire fraud.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_02: Wire fraud looks like here the checks ranged in value from 11,000 to 87,000.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_02: These frauds were used, 21 cash withdrawals that were conducted by Michael, ranging from 8,000 to 10,000.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: Nine withdrawals were in the form of checks made out to himself, and 12 were via withdrawal slips.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it's pretty simple.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_02: You guys don't have to really download this because he just says the following date.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_02: This is what he did.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_02: May 10th, he just did this.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: May 13th, he did this.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_02: Pretty easy, smeazy stuff.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: If it's a Ponzai scheme, you're just trying to, you're trying to weed out the wheat from the chaff.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay?
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot that happens in family court that you don't agree with, that you don't like, that you know is complete and total nonsense.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: And you need to have the ability to separate the actual frauds from all the stuff you just didn't like.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'll have to really read this because that's a to get my brain wrapped around with how this court goes with family court, because yeah.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_02: So I would recommend you guys downloading it.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's a good template.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: This is what the FBI is looking for because they filed an indictment for a Ponsai scheme off of this case.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's cool.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_02: Did you ever look into where it went after this?
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it went up.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_02: Went up, what do you mean?
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it went up to federal court.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: There's a there's a joke.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh why did the why did the prosecutor bring a ladder to court?
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: Because it goes up.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: Because the prosecutor heard the case was going up.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_02: Hmm.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: Going on up.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_02: No moving on up, right?
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: So some state cases will turn into federal cases.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_02: It turns into federal when it crosses state lines, correct?
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: It could turn turn into federal if for for a variety of reasons.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: Now this is a case um 20 and uh 19 through 2021 in the Supreme Court.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: This was a Ponsai scheme case involving honest services fraud by um, I believe it's an attorney.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_02: That was long.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: Percoco, a longtime friend and top aide to former governor Andrew Cuomo.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: So this is what it looks like whenever you get into wire fraud uh and you get into the appellate courts.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: This is what the appellate courts are looking at.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_02: Now, how do you get into appellate court with wire fraud?
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: So every every criminal case starts with a victim um walking in, uh, and let's go back to our cast of characters.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I get right.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: They don't like the outcome that the court did for that one fraud, so they went to appellate court.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's pull out our cast of characters.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, oh my god, why don't you do that?
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know you love it.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_02: Love it.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna drink a water while you're doing that.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: Where are you, Cersei?
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: There she is.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: Here's our two victims.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: All right?
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: I hate to say it, but these are our victims, Cersei Baratheon and Robert Baratheon.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: Cersei and Robert, they get done with their divorce, and they're like, wow, we really got screwed.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: Okay?
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: I know we don't agree, but your lawyer should have probably called attention to your drinking and all the potions you've been taking from Grandmaster Pisel.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: And your lawyer probably should have been talking about all the drinking and whoring that you did.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: And oh, by the way, the domestic violence.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay?
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: But because the two lawyers had such a vested financial interest in denying what their own clients were doing, they were able to artificially inflate their fees.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: And so these two get together, okay, and they go talk to law enforcement, and they say, we are the victims of fraud committed by a group of lawyers, doctors, and judges, chiefly the grand organizers, Saul Goodman, Esquire, Billy Flynn, Esquire.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: They understand the family law system, they're players in the family law system, they get it.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: They know how to artificially inflate their own fees.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay?
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: So they go and they complain, and those Those law enforcement agents get together and they draft an affidavit in support of a criminal complaint.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay?
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: So the cops interview them and they prepare an affidavit and they forward that affidavit.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: To a prosecutor?
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: To a prosecutor who files a complaint.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: And then that case goes to a jury trial.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: And if they lose, then they go to appellate court.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: Then whoever loses will file, they have so many days to file.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: Gets to file their appeal.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: Appeal.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: And then that's now it's there.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: And now it's up in federal court.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: Teaching people.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I know because I've been working, study, and learning, but normal person doesn't understand this.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_02: So good job.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: That was a great.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's almost like I should be in charge of a special DOJ family court fraud unit.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: Almost like it would be a good idea.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: You should let I think we shouldn't create that position.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I should be a GS-13.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_02: Why don't they have that prosecutor?
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we need a family court prosecutor.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: Just go into town family court fraud around the country.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: How do we create that?
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it would have to come from the Department of Justice and they would have to create a job or right?
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: They well, the the application process for the Department of Justice is a giant pain.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: I bet.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: Giant pain.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then on top of that, there would have to be the willpower within the Department of Justice to go after it.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: And right now, I don't think enough victims' voices have been heard to prior towards it.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: But they don't have enough complaints.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: There's just nothing.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_02: And that's why you want to be screaming to the mountains, guys, let's start doing this, all of us.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_02: Because there needs to be an office desk full of them, and they're like, oh crap, we need a DOJ just for this.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's prosecuted just for this.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: This is nothing new.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: This is just a new spin on historical corruption.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay?
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: Corruption has always existed.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and you know, if there's gag orders on people, but people are starting starting to speak up and say, no, um, no gag orders here.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: All right, take a look at this.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: This is one more criminal complaint.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: Affidavit in support of criminal complaint and arrest warrant.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: This comes from a special agent with the Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigation Division.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_02: So he's an employee special agent with the IRS, and he is asking them to um hold on.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_02: Let me fix my whole outfit here.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_02: Cut that.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_02: Money laundering.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: So he is a special agent for the IRS, and he's saying this person is money laundering, here's what's happening, and he wants them to do arrest warrant.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: The story, what happens, called the background proof.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: Look, if you're committing a crime, right, then you have to deal with the fact that you have the proceeds of crime.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're laundering money, and let's use the allegations against um Elliot, alright?
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: Elliot has alleged to have taken all this money from all these GA from all these GAL appointments.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: Those are the proceeds of crime.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: Did he pay taxes on all the proceeds of his crime?
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: Why isn't there an IRS money laundering, you know, complaint tagging along with the bank fraud?
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Because it had to do something with all of this fraudulent income.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's where the IRS gets involved, and why you have multiple different avenues.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: You go talk to your local police department, they're like, oh, that's a civil issue, we're not getting involved.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: You talk to your sheriff's department, they say that's a civil issue, we're not getting involved.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: You talk to the FBI, and they're like, well, that's a local law enforcement thing, okay, and that's a civil issue.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe the IRS will take you seriously.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe they're sitting around and they're like, you know what?
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: We know that lawyer's dirty.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: We know that judge, that GL is dirty, okay?
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: And the amount of money that you're claiming they build on your case is not reflected in the tax returns they filed.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever heard the phrase more than one way to skin a horse?
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_02: So how, but that is the IRS that was going against this.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_02: So you're just trying to show that people in the system are, you know, filing these complaints because people like us, we can't ask the GAL to give their we can't ask subpoena their, you know, IRS documents to make sure they're, you know, saying they're getting all the money they're getting.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_02: But the detective could.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: A detective could.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: Law enforcement has a variety of and you don't have to have proof, like you said.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_02: You just have to say this might be happening.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: You just come in with what you've got.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then then they will go into the investigation and then they can do all that.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: Come in with what you got.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: You're not going to get in trouble for bringing information to a law enforcement agency.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: You will get in trouble if you bring false information.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: If you know the information is false, okay?
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't mean being misunderstood or misunderstanding something or being incorrect about something.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: I mean you are bringing them false information.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: They'll charge you over that.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so this is another law enforcement affidavit for your followers to look at and say, I'm my own advocate.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna look at this, I'm gonna create my story.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: Now, where am I going with this?
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: Ask me where I'm going with this.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_02: Where are you going?
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_02: Where are you going with all this information, Sean?
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's talk about how to take down criminal syndicates.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_02: How to take down a lawyer.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, lawyer displacine this my gosh, I'm getting tired.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_02: You can tell my brain's full.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_02: Lawyer disciplinary system to under to undergo restructure.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, this is the Yeah, this is spicy.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_02: This is God, yeah, I know what this is.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_02: So, the Supreme Court of Missouri and the office of the chief that disciplines attorneys came together to do what?
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: They're changing up their system.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_02: They are changing up the way attorneys get viewed to see if they are doing something wrong, correct?
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of your your viewers, and indeed everybody everywhere, complains that you go to the disciplinary authorities and they're all buddy-buddy.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: They're all friends with one another.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: They know each other, they see each other in court, and so you're like, wait a minute, I just saw you two high five and in the hallway.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: How are you investigating you?
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: For doing the same thing you're both doing.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's how I that one video I proved, they're all friends, like in Kansas, especially.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: They're all buddy-buddy.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: So what we did have in Missouri was a system of regional counsel.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: Basically, regional attorneys who practice in an area would oversee the ethical complaints.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: And what it devolved into was a buddy network.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, so you're saying that these attorneys that all are in the same county, let's just say.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: Region.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: Region.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_02: So let's say region, okay.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_02: And then, but they are the ones that look at the complaints within the same attorneys that work in that same region.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: I I I look at that and it's a plainly flawed system.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: I can see why they set it up originally, like, well, we should have people who know how this is done overseeing people who oversee how it's done.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: But in practicality, it's completely conflicting.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: These regional attorneys and these regional councils, they're buddy buddy, they protect one another, and they go after people who are either not doing the same thing they're doing or who do commit mistakes and prevent new blood from coming in to the family law bar.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: Not to mention they all attend the AFCC.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: They all rub shoulders, they're all besties.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they're not, there's there's a lot of bad blood in the family law bar, but there's also a lot of silent agreements to protect one another.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: Correct.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: Because if you're going down, I'm not going down.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like we protect.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: They will ask for sanctions against an opposing party, but they will never ask for sanctions against an opposing attorney.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: So, long story short, if I'm a lawyer, right, and this happens to me regularly, let's look at our cast of characters.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: Look at you got Cersei, I got Robert.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: Let's say I represent Robert.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: I, and this is me in my professional life, I have people like Robert all day, every day.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: They want me to say things, they want me to push things, they want me to file things.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: And my first duty is to look at Robert and say, either, yeah, no, that has merit to it, or look, I'm not filing that.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: Okay?
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: There's no merit to it, it's false information.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to file something that has no merit.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: Even though you believe it and you want me to do it, and you're paying me, the simple fact is I have ethical and professional responsibilities.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not putting false information into the record for you.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'll do a variety of things.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'll pull a lot of tricks, I'll play a lot of cards, but I always make sure that I am not violating the professional ethical rules, the rules of civil and criminal procedure for my client.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: However, that's not what these two do.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: In family court, these two, well, I believe my client.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: My client says this.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: My client has these text messages, my client has this phone call and these recordings, and so I'm filing whatever my client files.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: And that's how the fees get artificially inflated.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then whenever their clients file a bar complaint, their buddies on the regional council who oversee this approve it.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: And so what the Missouri Bar has done is in 2027, January 1, 2027, all complaint investigations will be conducted in the office of chief disciplinary counsel by full-time staff.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: No more of these little regional buddy networks blessing off on these people and what they're doing.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: Now it goes to the central office in Jefferson City, and the central office in Jefferson City hires people to investigate.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's a professional firm, and they are going to come down with the hammer.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: And that would include GAL because GALs are attorneys.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_01: Now.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_02: Now it's all complaints, not just so you know how there's behavioral, like for therapists, there's a complaint against a therapist, we have to send it to this department.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_02: So it's all of the complaints about everyone?
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: That's cool.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_02: All the bar complaints.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: That's what we need.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: All the complaints in Missouri go to Jeff City.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: No more of these little regional networks of buddies who get appointments and get on boards and then, you know, cover for one another.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: Jefferson City is now gonna set a standard statewide.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_02: So how did they how did they get that accomplished?
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_02: Who would have brought that up?
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_02: Would they would have people come you know when people complain, they're realizing how do we get that in our own state?
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: So people have been complaining.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: Okay?
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I've complained, families have complained, other lawyers have complained.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: We know that this system is problematic.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't work, okay?
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and it dramatically calls into question the legitimacy of our courts and our bar associations, which is something that we as lawyers don't like because we want to police ourselves.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: The fact that so many people are being let down in these family court systems, it it's starting to raise awareness and it's calling into question the legitimacy of our political profession.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like people are really starting to realize people are getting louder and speaking up.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_02: So we could literally take this, right, and send it to our legislators, judicial committees, complaint committees, yeah, and say we want this in our state.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: January 1st, 2027.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_02: This goes in effect.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: Now, here's here's how this is fun.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you know how I like to think ahead and I like to do things that are really complex and fun, and sometimes maybe some people go to jail and lose all their money.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: Bad people.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: You see these affidavits by law enforcement?
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody says that you can't file the same affidavit with this new committee and law enforcement.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_02: So in Missouri, though, they don't have this.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: But you're saying that you can do it there and there.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: Your family files, puts together, here, well, let's grab our cast.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Cersei and Robert get together, and they're like, wow, we really got taken by our lawyers for$150,000.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: That was a$15,000 case at most, and these two lawyers artificially inflated the case with their teleguardian ed lightem, teletherapists, you know, telesocial workers, and telepsychologists, and telecourt.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: They artificially inflated what was a$15,000 case into a$15, you know, a$150,000 or a$250,000 case.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: We need to get together, we need to draft an affidavit for law enforcement together, and we'll file it with the city police, the county.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_02: So you can DOJ.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: State police, Department of Justice.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_02: So you can file that same thing into all of them?
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: And then the brand new, spankin' brand new, January 1st, 2027, centralized uh Office of Chief Disciplinary.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: Only in Missouri, though.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: Only in Missouri.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: And then on top of that, take it to the press.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_02: Hmm.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_02: They're not gonna like me.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_01: And that's how you take out, think of this table, right?
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: This is a strong table.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_02: Not really, but okay.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: I cut one of the legs out.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: I attack all four legs at once, and that table's gonna fall.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_02: Of course.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_02: Now I gotta fix this.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's annoying.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um I don't think you've ever said that.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_02: Once again, flat bob.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so let's get our file in order, okay?
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: Let's get our our nice, fat, healthy file ready.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: Because this is getting to be a chunker.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: There's our cast.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_02: These are all the templates examples.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: These are all templates of affidavits involving.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_02: Did you already load these up to our drive?
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: I did.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_02: Good boy.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: Involving crimes alleged against lawyers.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: And it is lawyers driving the show.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_02: This is evidence of people getting prosecuted, correct?
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: These are live cases.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, these are live live criminal cases.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_02: You don't have a folder for it?
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I forgot my manila folders.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_02: I have folders on my car.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_02: That's the Lindsay Clamsey.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_02: That we need to talk about.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, we do.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: Meg, I got bad news.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: Our folder has blown its belt out.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna need a second fraud folder.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: Can't be new and not useful.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: You know what's terrible?
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: You might have to get a wheelie cart and a file cabinet.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: Fortunately, I have a spare file cabinet.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_02: With all like my evidence, let's just say.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: You might wind up with a fraud file cabinet.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_02: So when you do all that, you have to call the the whoever you're filing it for, ask if they can take PDFs, you know, thumb drive, or do they want paper?
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_02: Because they're all different, right?
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: So the best thing to do is to take them a digital copy and a paper copy.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: But if they sometimes what I'll do is I'll give people paper copies and no digital copies if I know that they're basement dwelling internet trolls who don't look at the things that I provide them.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: And then they have a paper document on their desk.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_02: So for I have been looking into a complaint against somebody in Kansas and they said that you had to print everything, and I emailed them.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_02: And I the the secretary and I said, Look, I have all this, and they said, actually put on a hard thumb drive and mail it.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_02: So you can always call and ask, how do I file this?
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_02: Where do I put it?
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_02: And what do I need to prove?
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: Look, there's there's a tried and true method to get information that people to people is to address it to them in the mail, give them the paper copy, and it will set on their desk or in a file cabinet until they get to it.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas we all know the things on our phones, once we scroll past it, it's gone forever.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: Let's talk Lindsay Clancy.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: The first amended complaint and jury demand against Jennifer Tufts, Aliyah Goodhart, Zabada, Zabida Diaz, Rebecca Holada, Astor Mental Health Inc., South Shore Health System Inc., McLean Hospital, and Women and Infants Hospital, Rhode Island.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, these are all the doctors and uh companies that were took care of Lindsay.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: I think that the United States Attorney for the District of Massachusetts is completely gutless if these people are not indicted for telehealth fraud by the end of 2026.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_02: They talk about in here, because I read a lot of it, about um, and they'll be you guys can download as well too on the website, but they talk a lot about telehealth.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's because it was all done via telehealth.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: So you remember me showing you our chart about substance-induced disorders, right?
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: Let's look at our telepills.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: Right here.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, this is so Rose, real quick, though, Rosemary, this attorney.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_02: She's been she was at a trial the whole time.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_02: And watched her other attorney, Kevin Reddington, do it.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because they are going to town.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: There is a a like sort of a civil war going on in our courts right now.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: Because there's people like me and and Reddington and uh this uh Rosemary.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: Rosemary, who are like, look what you did to my client under the guise of mental health.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: This is crime.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_01: You are committing criminal acts against people who are sick and need help.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then there's all the lawyers out who are out there who are like, well, it's her fault.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: She she's, you know, uh a killer and she did not she did all these things wrong.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: And the simple fact is that she was on a a 10 something like 10 or 15 prescription drug copies.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_02: I've spoken about it are all favor of her, meaning she was completely missed helped, not helped at all.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: These drugs carry with them a black box warning that says warning homicidal acts and ideations.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: Look at this chart of diagnoses associated with substances.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_01: How exactly are you supposed to video conference confirm that your client has not turned s homicidal while taking your 15 telepills that you prescribe a day?
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's a complete and total farce.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm looking forward to seeing some sort of enforcement action whatsoever out of the department.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: Department of Justice because I think the evidence that we have from Dr.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: Tufts' testimony under oath reflects telehealth fraud.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_02: So could an attorney file a complaint to get them arrested?
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_02: Or I mean, I guess anyone involved her case, she could even do it if she wanted to, right?
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think she's mentally to do it, right?
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm just saying in that situation, who would then file to indict them?
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: So law enforcement have to conduct an investigation.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think the most likely candidate would be Patrick Clancy, because he's the you know surviving heir of the entire Clancy family.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um and basically what he would allege is look what these people did under telehealth to my wife.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know?
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um let's start with the benzos.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_01: So remember, before Clancy got big, I brought you in the FDA guidelines regarding benzo.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's uh episode five or six.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_01: Look at the black box warning on Xanax.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_01: She was prescribed multiple benzodiazepines and antidepressants in order to treat the side effects and symptoms of the benzodiazepines.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's the classic opioid pill mill model.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_01: You get somebody hooked on a mind-altering addictive substance.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_02: And then you're prescribing her more drugs to help with the other drug that you prescribed her.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_01: And there's no there's no backing out.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_01: The the criminals who participate in these crimes, and and that's what I think these people are.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think they're criminals, okay?
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: The way these criminal actors work is once they get you on a drug, it's only up from there.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_01: There's never a plan to say, we're gonna try this for three months and then we're gonna wean you off.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: It is always, let's put you on this, and then once you're dependent upon it, whether it's something hardcore like opioids and amphetamines or something simple like antidepressants, they get you on it.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: And then after you start to exhibit the side effects and symptoms, you know, the black box warnings and all that stuff, then they treat you as somebody with pseudoaddiction.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: They say, no, you're not addicted to a controlled substance.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: This is your prescribed medication.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_01: You are insufficiently medicated.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so we need to up your dosage of the controlled substance, creating a greater dependency, greater symptoms of dependency.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_01: And we're gonna treat the side effects and symptoms of your dependency with sleep medication, antidepressants, stomach medication.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_01: And that's how she wound up on over 10 to 15 telehealth prescriptions.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I think the administrator for the DEA uh has completely failed the American people in the performance of his duties.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and here's why.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, why didn't the DA go after him?
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_01: The the de DA or DEA?
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_02: Why didn't anyone go after these doctors after this all happened to investigate the doctors?
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_01: Well, a lot of prosecutors are gutless.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of them are incompetent, a lot of them are political hacks.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um and a lot of them are underfunded and under trained.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_01: With that being said, now that it's such a publicly available issue, why aren't they going after them now?
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um I bet they will, hopefully, because people are starting to really push them.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_01: No, I don't think they will.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um and that's why I'm criticizing them so heftily.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, is because I don't think they will.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_01: So the DEA in 2020 published a uh rule change allowing for telehealth extensions.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_01: There was this thing called the Ryan Height Online Pharmacy Act.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: Ryan Height was a guy, I I think he died, uh, but basically had been buying drugs online, prescribed drugs, and the Ryan Height Online Drug Act prohibited the type of online controlled substances sales that caused that situation.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_01: In 2020, in response to COVID, the DEA abandoned the Ryan Height Online Act in favor of telemedicine.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: And so all of a sudden you can sell controlled substances online.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so from 2020 to 2026, the DEA has been tolerating these online pharmacies and these online pill mills that have pushed as many controlled substances as they possibly can on as many people as they can.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: With this outcome.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_01: Now I want you to imagine that Patrick Clancy filed for divorce before his wife murdered their children.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_01: What would her defense have been?
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_01: These are my prescribed medications.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: He would have hopped up and down and been like, you're a drug addict, you're buying drugs online, you're addicted to online drugs.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: And these two, you know, are our look here, let's pull out our cast.
• 49:40
  unknown: Dr.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_01: Hannibal Lecter would have been like, well, her, these are prescribed medications.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's where the telehealth and the family court frauds mesh.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_01: Because they don't exist independent of one another.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_01: Telehealth fraud is over here, multi-billion dollar industry, potentially trillion dollar industry.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: Family court fraud over here, multi-billion dollar, potentially trillion dollar industry.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: And they mesh because so many of these family court cases involve substances that come out of pharmacies.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, like now Amazon has their own prescription place.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_02: You can call in on there to telehealth doc.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_02: Amazon.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_01: And let's say that Patrick Clancy did file for divorce and did ask for a drug test.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_02: It would come up negative because she got prescription drug.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_02: Prescription, a script.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: She would have gone to the local drug testing company, she would have shown them a prescription for the controlled substances that she tested positive on, and then the court would have retaliated against him.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_02: What's next on the fraud?
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_02: What are you going to teach us next time, Sean?
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_01: So it's time to put together a draft affidavit.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: We've laid out what the fraud is, how the fraud works, how law enforcement works, how licensing authorities investigate ethical issues.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's time to put together a draft affidavit.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_02: And it's per court actor, right?
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_01: So our cast of characters here?
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_01: It is time for Robert Brathian.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's time.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_01: And Cersei Lannister to prepare an affidavit for a law enforcement investigation and an ethical investigation into the criminal enterprise that artificially inflated their 15,000 denarii.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, here we go.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_01: I I think they're denari no.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_01: Uh gold pieces.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: They're 15,000 gold pieces divorce.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_01: She was supposed to get uh the red keep.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_01: He was supposed to get Heron Hall.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_01: She wound up with Dorne, and the and he wound up with custody of none of his natural-born children.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's time for them to file an affidavit and to prepare an affidavit against the cast of characters committing these frauds.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_02: And file them as many places as they want.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_01: And file them as many places as what.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_01: So that's the next step is a draft affidavit that everybody can look into in order to pick apart family court fraud.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_02: They should, so we're gonna do one per court actor, right?
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_02: So the doctor, the therapist, the GAL, because they got tons of fraud.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be, yeah, it's gonna be a uh an affidavit that lays out racketeering and conspiracy to commit wire fraud by all these bad actors in accordance with the research that we've put together.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_02: And then they can take that whole thing at once and take it in.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_01: Look, our our fraud folder is bulging in the middle.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it got even heavier from this Oh my gosh, yeah, a lot heavier than earlier.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_02: Let's do it.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, dun.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_02: What's the Rocky?
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_02: Ew Rocky.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_01: What what about Rocky?
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_02: No, the song when he's running.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like dun dun dungeon.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_02: What is I can't think of it?
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um Eye of the Tiger.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_02: Eye of the Tiger.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_02: I love the tiger.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's it.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, well, thank you so much.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_02: I'm excited to start building this and seeing how our parents report fraud within our government.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_02: Well, to our agencies.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna put together an affidavit, and I think what we need to do is we need to have sort of a a fun episode where we do a treasure hunt.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_01: We take our affidavit, we lay pieces of it out with yarn, and then every time somebody finds the next piece, they get a donut.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay?
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_02: A donut.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_01: And that way we can incentivize our nice law enforcement agencies to stop saying that's a civil issue.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_02: All right, well, thank you for joining us today, Sean.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_02: I'm Meg.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_02: Let's stand with Meg.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_02: And Sean, let's do your slogan like we like to do at the end of every episode.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_01: There's less crime in criminal law than in family law.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_02: So good, so proud of you.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_02: All right, tune in next time.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_02: Please join us for next time with Sean Lee.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, join us next time for the Sean Lee Report.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_02: All right, same as Meg.