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What should a hockey parent actually say on the ride home from the rink? · 2 Many Men On The Mic

• 1:01
  SPEAKER_03: Well that was an abrupt stop.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry about that.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's supposed to fade out.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_03: Supposed to fade out.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_07: It is the August 13th episode of Too Many Men on the Mic.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_07: It's middle of August, which means uh hockey season is literally right around the corner.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_07: I'm catching myself checking things like what's my subscription service gonna be for watching the blues this year?
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_07: I'm obviously in the St.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_07: Louis market, but you know, FanDuel went out of business and they had like six other NHL clubs besides the blues.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_07: So uh is it gonna roll over?
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_07: Do I need to go get some new subscription?
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_07: How many steps is it gonna take to work on all the TVs in my house?
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_07: These are critical things that I need to know before the puck drops on the real games here.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_07: So uh just some of the laundry list of things going through my head.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, if you liked another team besides the blues, or if you moved, you can watch the blues.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_03: But it seems like in this town something tells me there's a Detroit reference coming.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_03: You know what?
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not talking about that team.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_03: We're not talking about Detroit.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_03: We're not even gonna like like you know, I've had an emotional roller coaster of a weekend.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_03: I dropped, you know, I dropped my son, my young son, off at school for the first time.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_03: And uh the last thing I need right now is to get my blood pressure up, uh, talking about the the the hockey team that resides in the city of Detroit.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_07: So have you already started looking at his room and saying uh how much musical equipment you could fit in there now that he's gone?
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_03: Well, the nice thing is he's he's in the the palatial finished basement that's got the carpeting and and the acoustics type ceilings.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like it's a recording studio in the making.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_07: And you don't have to tell him, you can just come home and be happy for you.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that's the thing, you know.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_03: He can just come home.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna put his bed out in the garage.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um, although his brother might try to take his room before he gets home.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_03: There's that whole thing as well.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_03: So you've gone through it.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_03: You dropped uh you dropped your daughter off, I think uh fourth times a charm for her, right?
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_03: She's uh senior year.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_07: This is the last uh last mile marker, and I got uh my old older of the two boys who's going back on Wednesday, and then it'll just be back to uh mom and me and uh a 14-year-old.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's uh I sometimes feel like we have another 14-year-old because we have this producer who uh who once again is on assignment.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_07: This guy's got quite quite a few on assignments.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I tell you what, you know, he's a very talented kid.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_03: We would call him in the biz.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_03: He he's he's a talented kid.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_03: He's a baseball guy, right?
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_03: So he he's like a five-tool baseball guy.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_07: Ah, so what you're saying is uh it's it's the throws of baseball season, and that comes to calling it.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_03: Well, all I know is that there's this old saying in uh in coaching, every sport, the best ability is available.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_03: So now uh we're just we're just messing with you, Grant, because we know you're listening.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um and we also know that you're gonna be out next uh Thursday at the 20th at Fallon's Irish Bar and Grill to listen to Too Many Men on the Mic live acoustic version.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_06: We uh that'll be a coin flip.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_03: Well, uh I we we will uh we'll we'll we'll granulate back into the fold before you know it, but uh you mentioned your daughter heading out uh out west over the hills and far away.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_03: I was also going over the hills and far away, but the opposite direction.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_03: But uh out to Colorado.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_03: That's kind of a great segue for our guests this week.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, as as you all know at home uh in the listening audience, we've got a built relationship over the past uh almost I guess 13 months now with USA hockey.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_03: And uh oh wait, wait, I got something I want to make sure he he knows who he's talking to here.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_07: Is that your level five badge?
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_03: It's a level five lanyard.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um you know, but we're we're we're uh you just and you know you just do that with the camera.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_03: You did the AI, so now we've got extreme close-up, like Wayne's world.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I just I kid for those of you who know us at home.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_03: Um but had a chance to to meet uh our next guest briefly uh in Columbus.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_03: And uh just so excited that he was able to come join us here today.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um we're gonna talk about some things that are pretty it's pretty important as we head into the the hockey season, mainly when we're talking about parents and organizations.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_03: But um, you know, this this a good follow-on from last year.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, this gentleman resides out in uh in the mountain time zone.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_03: I believe he's in Colorado Springs.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um 25 years of experience with USA hockey, spent some time at the NTDP, uh, or as we like to call it, the program.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um has been a part of, I believe he's been on the bench for eight or nine international uh competitions.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um currently he is serving as the uh USA Hockey Senior Director of Player and Coach Development.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_03: Uh ladies and gentlemen out there, and the too many men listening audience, uh Ken Martel.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_03: Ken, welcome.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_03: Good to see you.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, thanks, guys.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_03: Nice to see you.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, thanks for joining us today.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_03: We find you on Colorado Springs, correct?
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, yeah.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: Home office.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: Home office.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_07: Is it uh how are the wildfires out there?
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh not too bad at the moment, although a little hazy out.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_01: We're we're getting some residual smoke.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing that is super close to us, but yeah, obviously, depending on the day, we get uh quite a bit of air pollution, and we've had a few bad days, but uh usually there are no bad days in Colorado, let's put it that way.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_07: Lots of sunshine.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you know, for a while the conspiracy theory was like Canada was trying to get us back for winning the gold medal, and uh, you know, uh I had to cancel a trip to Michigan because the the air quality was so bad because of the wildfire coming uh coming down from Canada.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_03: So hopefully things uh you know, the the wind blows north instead of uh instead of across Colorado Springs.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_03: And uh you guys have good good quality of uh air out there and have a little had a little bit of fun as you wind down the summer.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_03: So how are you I'll be Ben and tell us a little bit about some of the things that you've been working on uh with USA hockey?
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_03: It's been a lot, a lot of change, a lot of things going on.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um obviously busy.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's interesting.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_01: People think that the hockey season should be our busiest time, but I think for our staff, um, there really is no off-season anymore.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: We have our player development camps and a lot of things going on in the summer months that that take our time.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: We do a lot of coaching programs.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we just wrapped up our um our national goaltending symposium in Boston this past weekend.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: Steve Thompson on our staff put that on, had a couple hundred coaches from uh around the United States, and I think seven different countries were were in attendance, so a big event there.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_01: And these type of things just in the off season because we sort of have access to people uh keep our staff really kind of hopping.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but then once the season starts, it's like everybody else, we're off to the ice rink and uh away we go.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: As you said, it it's coming quick, and so you know, there's not a lot of time to do.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um we always have new things going on.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: If you, you know, we're we're working on a few different projects.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: We have one uh with an NHL partner on visual perception for our athletes, and there's some research papers that are starting to come out on that, which is I think really interesting for our coaches.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we're looking at biological maturity in our athletes, uh, just the kids that are in the average club around the country.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, what does it look like for them that that kid that uh hits their uh adolescent growth spurt um early versus maybe late?
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_01: What are the advantages, disadvantages?
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: What might some things that USA hockey can do to kind of help both ends of the spectrum?
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: So some interesting projects that are going on, and you know, it just it's sort of job security.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um there's always something that needs to be done.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_07: So uh yeah, we're busy.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_07: And I love that we're talking about parents.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_07: This is a great segue from the show last week.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, for those that didn't listen to the show or didn't have an opportunity to hear the show last week.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, we had some urban legends uh and it was around conspiracy theories that parents always around uh placement of their kids or their kids not being placed correctly, or the fixes in, and here's why.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_07: So I feel like this is a great topic this week.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_07: Just continue that dialogue.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_07: And now we're you know, we're talking about parents again, but not conspiracy theories, but uh just good parent behavior, a good primer right before the season gets started, right?
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, for sure.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_03: You know, when we talk about these, um, you know, Drew and I are both coaches, and uh it invariably, you having also served on hockey boards and coached for you know decades plus here, the questions always come up.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_03: You know, parents tend to be, you know, like straddling that line between advocacy and agency, as I like to call it.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_03: And I used to always tell, you know, we have the parent means I love talking to parents, and we can talk all day long, but the minute I start talking to an agent, you know, the conversation kind of stops.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_03: And so we're we'd like to give our audience some things from USA hockey about constructive parent behavior, um, ways to stay supportive, and you know, understanding beyond just the etiquette, you know, how do we support our kids keeping them in the game?
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_03: Because as they tend to grow, you know, we've seen studies, we've seen it firsthand that sometimes parents almost push too hard and ends up pushing their kids out of the game.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_03: And so, you know, before we you know start hitting this line by line, give us a little bit of overview of some of your thoughts and some of the positions that USA hockey takes on providing support to parents and families.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_03: It's a tough sport.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_03: There's just no way, no two ways around it.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, it it's okay, it's a long journey, you know, um, to get where some people say they want to go to the if you want to play at the highest level of sport, you know, whatever, but 99% of our kids don't ever reach that.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's sport itself can provide a lot of really good things for us.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: I know um I have a passion for the sport because I had a great childhood experience with it, you know.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: So when we look at how kids move through this, it's really there's this this triad of the parent, the coach, and the player.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_01: And if they're all not in sync, then things tend to maybe not go so good.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's really a partnership between all three, especially as they they move through through sport in general, even at the highest level.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um now, the responsibilities of the parents and and what they what they can do to support, certainly when your your child is is young.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you're the one that's doing a lot of the full, I mean, you are driving them to the ice rink, right?
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_01: You're so you're the driver.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: You you you're the one that probably selected or helped them select what sport to play.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: You're you're deeply involved in a lot of things.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then it's over time, you know, how do you, you know, turn that responsibility for development over to the child?
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_01: How do you sort of back off from the one doing everything and being involved in everything to letting the the kid sort of figure some things out along the way?
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: And there's there's a there's a nice balance over the the course of their career from a lot of involvement on one end when they very when they're starting, to really nothing other than just being around to support as best you can uh towards the the the later stages of this.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, it's finding a balance, um, and and where do you fit and how do you help them along the way?
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: And the most important thing there is just being there to support them without trying to do too much coaching and too much overdoing it.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's you have a coach for that, and you you want to make sure that they're getting clear signals.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: You you you talked about you know communication that you're willing to talk about talk to any parent, but when the agent gets there, right?
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I think that's a good way of looking at it.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's um you'll be the parent, right?
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_07: Well, and that's what I wanted to dig into when you're talking about that that triangle uh and that partnership.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_07: Uh there are limits on that partnership, right?
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_07: So, and what I mean specifically is um uh it should not be expected of a parent that uh your child's coach is going to be texting you or calling you on an everyday basis, right?
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's I am I am more amazed than ever before at the expectation that parents seem to have from volunteer coaches, they they they almost believe for some reason they think this is the full-time job of of this individual.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: Every waking hour, as a parent, maybe every waking hour you are concerned with your child, but you know, our coaches have other lives, other they have their own families, their own things too.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, the expectation for some reason now we we man, we seem to demand a lot unreasonably of the volunteer coach.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_07: So do you think the coach should just um I'm I'm exaggerating here a little bit, but yeah, coach does not give out his uh his phone number and just say, hey, if you want to talk to me, come meet me at practice, maybe before practice, or maybe after practice, especially if they're doing some practice planning.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_07: Walking through the drills, maybe five, 10 minutes before meet me after practice.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_07: I'm happy to talk then, but you know, I'm not gonna give out my phone number because I am a volunteer and I do have a life and other things that are going on.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I I would always give my phone number to any youth parent that I'm I'm coaching with.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we need a we need a good line of communication.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: As a matter of fact, from the coach's perspective, um, I think your best strategy is to err on over-communicating, uh, simply because for whatever reason, if left in a vacuum, parents and others will assume uh all kinds of crazy things.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: You mentioned conspiracy theories and you know the wackiness that people will assume that that the coach or or or people are thinking about or treating it is it can be beyond belief.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's uh all these, you know, most 99% of the coaches that are out there, it they're doing this because they want to help, they want, they want to do good things for the kid, and they have the child's best interests at heart.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think that's the common ground from everybody, right?
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: Is we all want the same thing.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: We all want something good for the kid.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but from a coaching perspective, I would say over-communicate with the parents so that you know very little is left to the imagination.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it might be just human nature that we fill in the blanks with, you know, I don't know, the crazy sometimes.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's funny you mention that because we we always tend, and we're probably looking at this from the coaches' angle more so than the parents, even though we're both hockey parents or both hockey coaches.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um that's a great line of thought to maybe pick up on.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_03: What it's almost like an an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_03: There you go.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_03: That's early.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_03: That's early.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_03: That's two.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_03: That is two.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't get the gun, I didn't get the gun.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_03: Two for that.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_03: That's a two for.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um as a coach, and we talk about overcommunication.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_03: What are some good tactics?
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_03: And this is just three coaches here talking who've had, you know, probably, well, if you you know, between the two of you guys, probably 40 years experience, and me and my disagree.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but how how how what are some tactics that you've used or that you've seen other good coaches use to kind of facilitate that overcommunication?
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_03: And certainly it varies from age.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_03: Talk a little bit about that.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_03: I'd love to pick that up and and and run that down.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I think especially the younger the kids, the more the more communication is probably necessary to the to the parents and the family.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: As kids get older, you want them to start to learn how to communicate for themselves, right?
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: So having a a child at 13, uh, maybe 12 or so, like go to the coach and say, hey, I have a concern.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and be able to communicate and start to interact with with adults and those things uh when they're real young.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we you know, it's certainly a lot harder for the child, and which is fine.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but as kids grow and mature, you want you want to have a little bit of a transition.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like I said, it's this, and it's gradual, you know, always include the parents if they want to sit in on anything, have no problem with that.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's absolutely fine.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, they're minors, so parents should have some some you know involvement in in things that are going on.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um but from a from a parent perspective, you know, I I think it's important that if you have questions, you know, do reach out, but be respectful, um, respectful of the coach's time.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, I was told my kid, hey, if you have a problem with the coach, go go talk to him.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's you know, you that you have to build a relationship with your coach.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, for you to be successful as a player, the better your relationship with the coaches, um, the more you're gonna understand how he's how he's working with you, how she's working with you, then you know, great, go do that.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: If you don't have the the answer you want, or you couldn't communicate something and you feel that we need to help you out a little bit, yeah, we'll we'll do that.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, you give it a go first because I wanted my kids to you know learn to again communicate with adults and others, and you know, that's just part of of growing up and learning how to uh to be a good be a good teammate, be a good kid in the program, etc.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: So um, but yeah, these are it's it's not an all or nothing.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh there's this scale that that shifts as we go.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_07: Um have you had enough time and data to be able to look back?
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_07: Uh uh we're on the backside of the first year of U9 triple A hockey.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_07: Okay, and so and and keep in mind that our audience is the 90% of the players out there, right?
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_07: So most of our uh parents, kids that are listening out there are A, B, and C level players.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_07: But what I'm wondering is now that AAA has gone down to a lower level, what kind of impact that has had on the parents?
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_07: And specifically, what I mean is, are you seeing parents at the 6U level doing saying things like, well, should I register my kid for 12 camps this summer?
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_07: Because if I do that, then uh by the time they get to U9, they'll have a chance at being a triple A player.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_07: What are you seeing on the backside of that?
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: Well, come at this from a lot of different directions.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: First, it it should be known that USA hockey does not recognize triple A hockey yet.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: 10 and under, all hockey, 10 and under under our umbrella is recognized.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, yeah.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's how it's registered.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: A local affiliate or somebody else, because of the absurdity out there, okay.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they they put labels on teams, which um has some real negative effects on our players and player pool and all that.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not that's a whole nother podcast.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it is.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it is.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: But but but I understand like it, you know, the labels create pressure and these things.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: So um I think from a communication side of things, from a coaching, like I come at this from the coach side of things.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: I've been a coach all my life.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: This is what my background is, is what I do.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm in charge of player development and coach development.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't spend a lot of time on parent development.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's not the parent's not a member of our organization, they are through their kid, but you know, there's something to be said about it though.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, yeah, so no, no, for sure.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like again, uh, parents are we want good it look, a good parent is an ally, yes, yes, right.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the the most an informed parent is an ally, right?
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: Because they can then communicate to others, you know, when they're in the know and things start to get wacky, you know, they're they're armed with the right information to be able to, you know, that's quite not quite right.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, from a coaching communication perspective, for example, um, you know, I write out all I put all our practice plans down on paper, every practice plan I do.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: And one, I want parents to know that I spend a lot of time thinking about what we're gonna do with the kids.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: So I send out email with our practice plan to everyone in the team, everyone in the group.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: Because I one, I want them to know what we're working on so that they can feel like they're informed, but also it's a subtle, it's a subtle hint back to them that no, I didn't just show up at the ice rink, you know, whip out something out of my and just guess like there's an actual plan, we're organized, and you know, it's a good way, I think, for coaches to get rewarded for the work that you're already doing.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: Any coach is putting everything down on paper, they're they they are taking time beforehand to you know, it I know we're all busy as coaches, but you know, you said you were gonna coach, so you know, I'm not driving and writing something down on the napkin before I go on the ice, right?
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: So parents, right?
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: They'll get a sense for what it is that we're doing, and then I can communicate through that practice plan, you know, the things that I'm that I think we need to focus on, etc.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: So um, you know, these are subtle ways to to communicate.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: And then there's the you know, we can do something on the weekends or or after games or or whatever.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I have not done this, but I know a coach that would have a quote press conference after each game.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_03: That's awesome.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: Press conference.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, look, this is how I thought we did, this is what I thought was wrong, this is what you know, and good or bad, I'm gonna spend a few minutes and I'll answer a couple questions, you know, like it when and I think the humor of it, the the connectedness, the constant communication never really lets any angst build up with the families and and parents.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: As a coach, when you go weeks at a time without having some type of communication, you know, again, parents will assume something.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: They'll put they'll put it, you know.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_03: So I can go full rick bonus though at the end of the season.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: I I I love that's the way, but you know, this might not be the way that was somebody's somebody else's thought on how to do it, what I thought was pretty interesting, you know.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_03: Well, the the practice plans is is is right, is a sharing practice plans, especially at the younger age, because oftentimes you'll get parents who maybe aren't experienced with hockey and they would like to know what they're seeing out there if they're watching practice.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um but uh Ken, we gotta take a quick break and pay a quick bill.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um, we want to dive into a couple of things that you said and touch on some uh some more of these topics, especially like we talk about coaching in the car and things of that nature.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_03: So if you can hang on, if you don't mind, we might have some trivia too.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um somebody's gonna go double or nothing because the mountains that he has to skate at practice on Friday for now.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_03: But um, we'll be back with Too Many Men on the Mic with Ken Martell in just a moment.
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• 28:20
  SPEAKER_03: We're back with Too Many Men on the Mic with Ken Martell of USA Hockey.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_03: And Ken, before we uh went to our break, we were talking about a lot of different tactics coaches can use to help foster good communication.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_03: We talked about practice planning, um, obviously sharing your cell phone and being able to explain what's going on.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_03: In fact, I think I love the idea of doing a presser.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um, maybe not me, but maybe you, you're much more easy to me.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um let's transition to you know, you mentioned it earlier, especially at the younger age, the parents are the drivers, both figuratively and literally.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_03: And in that situation when they're driving home from a game, um, you know, oftentimes we found many of these parents, their only exposure to hockey has been watching the NHL team on uh on TV, maybe not in St.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: Louis, but somewhere wherever it is, watching the NHL team.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_03: Um and we call it car coaching.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, they're gonna talk about the game.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_03: Rather than, you know, when you want to ask a question about a game, you know, what are some good ways to go about doing that so that it doesn't sound like you're being critical, either of the player or of the coach, um, especially after uh a tough one.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_03: But what are some things that parents, you know, phrases that parents should focus on using, especially right after a game that maybe they're not always using because they're only here?
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, I I think for the most part, um you know, the kids know when they played well, when they didn't play well, they don't need us to to say anything.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's always, hey, did you have fun today?
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and I hope you had fun.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I really enjoyed watching you.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know, give them some positive reinforcement around just the experience of the rink.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's gonna be good games, there's gonna be bad games.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um you know, you can you can ask them about what they thought they they liked about today's game.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: What did you do?
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: What did you think you did well?
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and they might go right into something negative, but you just tell them, like, no, I'm sure you did there were things you did well, reinforce those things.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: Let them initiate the negatives, right?
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: I I think as a parent, stay away from being critical, stay away from that's the coach's job, that's others.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, for those of us that have gone through it and had kids, you know, I think most kids get to a point where they they really don't want to hear from mom and dad.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, it's they just don't.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: They they don't want to hear the negative.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so the best thing you can do is is be as positive and supportive and let them, if they want to talk about it, they can, but really be careful on giving them, you know, overstepping into that critique side of things.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's a way to shut up, shut your kid down, close off the conversation, and that's not what not what you want in the car.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: You want you get precious time with your child driving to and from the rink.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: It may be the only time where they actually talk to you, right?
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, kids running around, like they're busy, they're family.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I I think be don't make that that experience a a dreaded ride.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: Do your best to make it something that's positive.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: And you know what?
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: The kids will kind of turn around and your mom and dad, once they know they, you know, they'll they'll probably open up about some of the other things, and maybe you can have the better, uh a deeper discussion, but be careful on going negative or talking about the negative side of things.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: I think let them initiate a little bit is sort of cautionary.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_07: Ken, sometimes uh I've seen parents uh will be talking in the warm-up room, uh, might be during practice with other parents on their team, or let's say you're splitting ice.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_07: This is where I've seen it happen frequently.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_07: Splitting ice, there's two teams out there, and then you might have a parent that uh didn't doesn't know the game as well as uh certainly we do, uh as coaches.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, but I've seen this happen before.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_07: I'm I'm out here watching practice.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_07: So why doesn't my practice look like the practice going on on the other side?
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_07: Sure.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_07: So yeah, so I'm sure you've encountered stories like this, and so you know what advice do you have to these parents uh uh that you can uh that you can share?
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, first off, every single team is different, every group of individuals is different, they're all at a different place.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: So, by nature of our players being different than everybody else, again, they're all at different points.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: So we have different things to work on than another group.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know what's going on at the other end of the ice, I'm not really maybe paying attention because they're working on what that coach thinks they need to work on.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: We're working on what we've what we've shown you, what we've talked about, but you know, this is what we need.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I think uh another good coaching tactic is when you know, how do you include parents?
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: How do you get them more involved?
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know, one of my co-workers here still has a a daughter that my kids are old, grown, gone, married, you know, have come through the system, etc.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: But um, I have a work colleague that is right in the thick of it, still with his daughter.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: And what he does is he gives every parent a job.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: And that way they feel more included.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: They're actually involved in maybe what it is we're doing.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like, for example, hey, I need someone to track practice for me.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: And so here's here's how many shots our kids are getting.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: So they're gonna take some statistical things around practice.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: I have somebody, you know, he has somebody videotape.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: He has someone assigned to do office training for them, finds the right people, gives them a job, gets them involved.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, hey, we need this equipment every day in practice.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: So your job is to make sure that equipment that's at the rink is available on the bench when we need it.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_01: So again, the more you start involving everybody, the more they're aware of why you're doing what you're doing on the rink.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I think there's less of these questions about why it's it's different than what's at the other end.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_03: Well, and I and I think too, um the ability or inability of your coach at 12U is not going to prevent or advance your kid to the NHL.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's some of it's a bit of perspective.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: No, it well, actually, that it's funny, uh, across all sports, the the United States Olympic Committee and Paralympic Committee um have done, they do it after every Olympics, they've they've done it multiple times uh through the history of of their existence.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: And they give a survey to the athletes, and the the athletes themselves will tell you that really didn't learn much about the sport from my youth coaches.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: That that really wasn't, but what it was was how they made me feel, right?
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's our job as coaches when we're coaching kids.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's how do they make that child feel?
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: Do they do they love coming to the ring?
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: That that was a primary driver.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of them will say, like, I mean, I played at a fair level.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, never never never not I was never an NHL player, but got to play Division I college.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: I like I look back, I had a coach, uh, maybe the best coach I ever had, got on the ice in his tennis shoes.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_03: I mean phenomenal coach they want to have conversations with you.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_03: They want you to, they want him, they want to feel like you care.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: He he's a good he's a guy that on our team we had five full scholarship division one players at a time out of Southern California.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like you know, and it wasn't because he went around and collected a bunch of this, was just kids at our local club that turned out like that.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember him teaching me much of anything about ice hockey other than how he made me feel.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um, told me to pass harder all the time.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, they it wasn't it it's the experience that the youth coach creates.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: So don't worry about it's it is your coach from a parent perspective, can he uh help your child fall in love with the game?
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: Because I love that well it unless unless the kid actually loves it, they will never put the time and energy in that it needs that they need to to be successful.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: We can't do it for them.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: We you know, I and as a coach, I can't make a player learn.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_01: Learning is done by the learner, not to the learner.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: This is just the way learning is clicking at we're clicking at that.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_03: That's excellent.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: No, seriously, you can't make anyone learn that doesn't want to learn something.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: So it's but can we can we create the right environment where they are motivated to learn that they love it?
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: The more they love it, the more the more they're gonna focus, the more they're gonna concentrate, all those type of things, you know.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: And and from a parent's perspective, you know, that's what we want for kids when they come to sport.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: They want you want a good experience where the kid, if they are the ones that drive it, if if they have that motivation and passion, then you know it'll take care of itself later on.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_03: I love so much of that.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_03: And it's funny how as a coach and even as a parent, you're probably a great hockey parent once your kids are no longer playing hockey and they're 18, 19, 20 years old, because you've kind of gone through it.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_03: And so um, you know, another aspect to all of this, Ken, is just in looking at this from some parents' perspectives, it's an extremely expensive sport.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and many of these parents, uh many parents are are looking at this as like anywhere else I think this type of money, there is a level of accountability or there's a return on investment, probably the wrong phrase to use, but how much is that pressure and anxiety of the cost of the of our sport you think add to you know some of the the the parental behavior that can be counterproductive?
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_03: And again, this is just us talking at this point.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: No, that it that that pressure's real.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: No, no question about it.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I wish there was some way from USA hockey's perspective that we could you know make our sport less expensive.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we have in certain ways, you know, like with our ADM, we've shown how you can put multiple teams on the ice.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like when I grew up, you you had you know 11, 11, eight-year-olds practicing on a full sheet, and like that cost a lot of money.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: 60 foot passes.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 60 foot passes.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and it's not that productive.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: So you know what a waste of parents' you know, resources and all those things.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: So we've shown how we can maybe cut reduce some costs with it, but you know, we're an expensive sport, and I don't know how to get around the cost of it, um, other than looking at this, you know, what is it that we bring our kids to sport for?
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's in hopes that they learn teamwork, they learn, you know, the the value of hard work, they they learn to be you know socially um better with with their peers, they they learn all these things that hopefully are gonna help them down the road.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: The NHL did a really interesting study on membership a few years back, not not that long ago, 2018, 2019.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_01: And they asked you know, one of the questions was, you know, what are the values that you thought playing ice hockey gave you?
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_01: And they look back, and it's all the things that you would you would hope that you want for your child.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: So it, you know, now most kids, like I said, aren't getting to that level to, but when when people look at the sport and they say, Well, what did you get out of it?
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: They say, Well, this is what I got, not the not the the the money at the other end, but I I really got out these things.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it did this for me as a as a kid.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, it's that's got to be the return on the investment.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: And we have to look at it like that.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: If they happen to get to a a level where they get paid to play or are getting compensated in some way to play, you know, gravy, wonderful.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: But are they a better, better human?
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: Are they a better citizen?
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: Are they a better, you know?
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like when I go coach kids, I look at it as I am trying to I'm trying to work with who my my future neighbors.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like these are the people that have come up, like I now have kids that you know I run into in the grocery store and they're bringing their own kids back to the sport and all that, but they're good neighbors, that they're good people in our community.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's the goal, right?
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's so the return on the investment, we have to change how we look at it.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: But I I am with you, the pressure's real.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we understand it, and I feel for the parents.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, if they're not seeing what they think they should be getting out of it, you know.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_07: Well, and right tied in with that, Ken, is uh I've seen some parents that do comparisons.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_07: Why does our team only have this many sheets this season, as opposed to another team that has four more sheets than us?
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, what why isn't there equality amongst the sheets across uh across the teams?
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_07: Both of us being in these hockey organizations, we know how difficult it is to uh practice plan and put ice time for 140, 50 plus teams out there.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_07: So there's a whole chance that goes into that.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_01: But when your team, your team took off for a tournament on a weekend, you gave like you missed like it the ice is scary, like it's it's incredibly difficult.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like again, volunteers, volunteer boards, like people are doing the best they can with what they have.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, one season you might get shorted four sheets, the next season you probably get your four sheets back, like it what goes around comes around.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_03: Angle that you have, Ken.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_03: I almost feel like I think we should have a host of USA hockey symposium for parents development.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: If you can get the parents to show up, USA hockey will put it on free of charge.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: PDF, PDF, rent the development.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_07: And you get like a badge or some stripes each each year you go along.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_07: You attain a lot.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_03: We start with how to work the scoreboard.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, there you go.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_07: That's have a job.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: No, I mean be involved.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like the more you can, I think, from the the club, the team, you know, the more you can involve the parents in different things, that you know, the better.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: It helps the communication, it's creates better family.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know, have one parent that's in charge of putting out, you know, collecting pictures of the kids and sharing them.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like whatever it is.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's there's something that everybody can contribute.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_01: And now it's all we're we're in this together.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, it is a it's not easy.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know, a lot of the things we talk about, we use this all the time with our ADM program.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_01: Simple, not easy.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_01: It is difficult.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: Running and being very good at youth sport is a full-time job with mostly volunteer part-time people.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_01: It really is.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, the more we can include everybody, the better.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_03: Well, Ken, I think you've got a cool drill for us to draw up here.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_03: If you can give us another minute or so, we're gonna Yeah, how do we do this?
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_03: Well, we're gonna pay a quick bill, and then we'll bring you back on and we'll do a virtual and then we might even might even have might even might even have a little trivia.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I still have some more leftover.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_03: You're really excited about this.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_03: I still have some leftover from last week.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_03: So uh too many men on the mic here with Kevin Martell.
• 45:56
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• 48:29
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I'm gonna call it awesome, uh, drilling game that Ken is uh gonna Ken is gonna help us draw up here, and then we'll post this to our website for coaches, players, and parents alike to download.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_03: So Ken, we've got uh the whiteboard is yours.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_03: Walk us through what we're doing here.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um this is a a cross-ice game uh designed to give our players some reps at collecting the puck off the wall.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: If you go back and you analyze our sport, the puck ends up on the wall or coming around the wall uh an awful lot in our sport.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so that kind of puck retrieval, puck collection, the ability to do that off the wall and then still perceive where pressure's coming from, be able to collect the puck and make a play is is a big time skill for for us across all levels.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_01: And so this is something that's gonna build in an automatic uh where you're gonna get reps at this repeatedly.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_01: Now it'll evolve into a three-on-two um situation where you you can play out and there's other things to focus on, but we're gonna give kids over time lots of reps at collecting the puck off the wall.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_01: So we would start in an end zone setting the nets up cross ice.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um inside the perfect.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, there you go.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's fine.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_01: One on the other side.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_01: We would have a coach at the blue line by the boards on both sides.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_01: All right, coach.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, coach at the blue line, yeah, right there, and one on the other side.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_01: Those coaches will have pucks, and they're the ones that are going to start start the the rep um each time on on a whistle.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_01: So we would start where this is a three against two in the zone.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you well, let's put players, put one team at the blue line on one side, uh, the other team at the blue line on the other side.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: So yep, there you go, player, player, player.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_01: And then the other team, same thing right on the other side.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so let's start with three blues inside the zone, say uh somewhere in the yep, there you go.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: Just you can put them out anywhere.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_01: And by the dot, there you go.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have goalies in the net?
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they do.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: Goalies are in the nets for sure.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta have goalies.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_01: Come on.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, no fun without goalies.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_03: No fun without nobody likes to shoot or two.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_01: No one likes, yeah, of course.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: Goalies.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_03: Good.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_01: So, uh, and then two reds as sort of defenders.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_01: So this is gonna start.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: We would give the maybe we'll we'll let the uh blue team have it to begin with, with a puck.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_01: Or we could start where the coach better, let's just start it with a with a rim.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_01: That coach on the blue side is going to send that puck.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: My bad here.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no worries.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna send that puck around the boards.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and yeah, it's gonna rim it around, and one of those two blue players or three blue players has to collect the puck and then they can attack three against two.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_01: But he's gonna do that under pressure from the Reds.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_01: So collect a rim under pressure, and then try and make a play.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_01: So you're gonna play this until the red team steals the puck.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_01: As soon as they steal the puck, the coach is gonna blow it dead, or that puck dead.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_01: The coach on the red team's side will rim a new puck in.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_01: The two red players now are gonna go on to offense, they get joined by somebody on their team, the three offensive blues exit the zone, and two new, yeah, two new uh blues enter as defensive players.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_01: They try and put pressure on the rim, right?
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_01: What happens is every time there's a change of possession, coach will start giving the the two players that were on defense a new puck so that they're on offense.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_01: And this one goes back and forth.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna get reps at flagging the rim.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna do that hopefully against the opponent that's gonna apply pressure, and then the coaches they will put the block in different areas at different speeds so that there's different challenge points, different situations for a player to collect that, where the opponent might be coming from different angles.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes that rim could be picked up in the far corner, it could be you know in the near corner, uh, it could be along the boards, depending on where the coach spots it and how hard they rim the buck.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_01: Does this make sense?
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: I love this.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so this is a great game that you could start at 10U with and right right through to your 18 triple A team.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, the bigger boys are gonna put a little girls are gonna put a little more pressure on quicker, but that's part of it.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's can I can I collect a puck, read where the pressure is, have supporting players move into a position to gain gain possession and go go make a play.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, and if you're on red in this scenario we're looking at right now, let's say you miss that rim and it goes all the way around and blue picks it up, plays then you're out, then you're out, then you're out.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, right.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_03: I love the the idea of this because you know, you incorporate I I would play this where I would just let the kids play to start off, you know, figure it out, get the puck off the wall, and then through this, as those kids come off the ice, and maybe if you've got an another coach out there who's kind of watching, or if you're if you're if you're lucky to have a parent or somebody tracking the practice for you, then you can kind of identify areas where you can where you can teach technique.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_03: Shoulder chesting.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_03: How are you how are you attacking the puck?
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_03: What pursuit angle are you taking, you know, when you're trying to apply that pressure?
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, there's so many things you can get out of this, and the uh the fact that you're constantly, I mean, I'm I'm sure change of possession or a goal, you're constantly, you know, the kids are constant, there's constant motion too, which creates chaos or mayhem.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_03: And I think we got a name for this drill.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_03: If if if uh Ken doesn't have a name for it, I think I've got one for him.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_03: Sounds like go ahead.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_03: You can I'm calling it Martel's mayhem.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_01: That was what sure, there you go.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_01: It not my drill, it's one of our you know, our staff does this, but you know, these are as a coach, when you look back and you analyze the the normal game, right?
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_01: What are the things that our players have to repeatedly do a lot of?
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_01: So puck retrieval at the highest end of our sport, it's the second most occurring event in the hockey game, right?
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_01: And then you you back up to how often is the puck along the wall, or you have to collect the puck.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's happening a lot with our with our players.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_01: So you start to try and figure out ways to inherently just build in more realistic repetitions for your players over time, you know, to retrieve pucks, collect them along the wall, where by the end of a season, if you're doing things where you're starting it as many drills as possible with a loose puck retrieval, right?
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_01: Starting drills with something that's coming around the boards where they have to collect it, right?
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_01: We might give it to an offensive team, but somebody's coming.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_01: They have to do something under pressure.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_01: We don't want to just hear you get to start with a puck all nice and comfortable.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we want them to get reps at the things that they're gonna have to do in the hockey game, and so we can just build in little ways to do this and maximize their opportunities to learn.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_03: He's putting the vegetables in in the ice cream, yeah.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_03: Putting the vegetables and the ice cream, putting the vegetables in the ice cream there, man.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_01: But then to your point, when if they don't collect it right, or or they they weren't aware of where the pressure was, you know, it's okay.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what happened there?
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_01: What went wrong?
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, what could you do different?
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well, did you know where the pressure was?
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what are you gonna need to do the next time?
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, I'm gonna watch you on the next rep.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_01: Make sure you look, right?
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_01: And the kids will have the answers and they can work through things, but this is this is coaching, right?
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_07: Well, we're gonna run it on Friday practice.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_07: Mark tells Mayha's love.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_07: There you go.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_07: Ken, well done on the drill draw.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, I know that there was a uh uh maybe a little anxiety with that blank sheet, but you did fantastic.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_07: Well, and uh thanks for having on with us.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_01: I can't draw myself.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_03: Well, Ken Ken had a Ken had a trivia question for us, and so you know, I we'd be remiss, even though we don't have our our erstwhile, you know, uh if we don't have our erstwhile, you know, trivia Grant the Killer.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_03: Um, we'd love to hear the trivia question, and uh you know, this is gonna become a staple of this show is sure is given the trivia questions.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_03: I promise I promise we did not, I didn't at least.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_03: I can't speak for him, but I didn't research.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_03: Although the one question we already have fun in that.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_03: No, no fun.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_03: And I've got one too.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_01: So there's two.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_01: I I put down two.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_01: One I think is you know, it probably pretty easy.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_01: The other one maybe not as much.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_01: What would you like?
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_01: The the the softball or the I want the hard one.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_01: We want the hard one.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_01: Let's do the hard one first.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, the harder one would be um, can you name the goalie tandem that holds the record for the longest shutout streak in Olympic history?
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_01: The shutout streak is actually 331 minutes and 23 seconds.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_07: So I'll bite.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, what this makes me think about, not knowing uh all of the Olympics that are out there, certainly not the ones before 1972 when I was born.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, I do remember last summer that there was uh a girls uh women's program uh that had a really long run of not giving up goals.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_07: So uh that's gonna be my answer is the uh the the women's Olympic women's USA hockey team from last summer.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_03: Can I get a guess?
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_03: Can I get a guess?
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_03: You can have another guess.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so you I would that that would have been so I started thinking um about goalies, and the first goalie that came to mind for USA hockey is always Jim Craig, but he did it on I don't I don't think Janet, I don't think Janet uh Janikowski got a got a minute in the net.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so Ryan Miller was like stood on his head the year Sidney Crosby scored that stupid goal from the corner.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_03: Um it should not have been on his uh and so I'm trying to think of the the his partner I think was was Quick.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_03: So I thought dude, Ryan Miller start every game except for the one against Latvia and Quick stuff.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_03: So was it Ryan Miller and and Jonathan Quick?
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_01: No, I I think the first answer was closer.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_01: Was our women's Olympic team?
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_01: It was in Milan, and it was you know Aaron Frankel and Gwyneth Phillips.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, that's right.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_01: So they've they hold the Olympic record for the long in Olympic history.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_01: Again, 331 minutes.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, could you imagine 331 minutes?
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I just remember that last scoreless I mean that's I can't.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_03: That's over five games, by the way.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's over that's over five games.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, mass undefeated.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_03: Pretty good.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_03: We got one for you.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, uh-oh.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_03: Um keeping with the uh the theme of USA high.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um I don't think we answered, I don't think we asked this question.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think I asked this question last week.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_03: So 2004 and 2007, those are the only two years where both first and second overall picks were both Russian and both American.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_03: Can you name the two Americans picked number one and number two overall in 2007?
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_01: Number one overall in 2000.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_03: 2007, first overall, second overall draft picks in the NHL.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_03: The only time it's ever happened when both were Americans.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_01: Boy, um 2007.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's gotta be you're a most important.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's gotta be right around uh um James Van Reemsdijk.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_01: Is Reamer in that?
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_01: Reamer's in it.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_01: Remer is the number two.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_03: Who's the number one overall?
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_01: Number one overall.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_01: Oh boy, who did go number one that year?
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_01: Trying to think of 89s.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_01: Those would have been 89s.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um you're you're killing me here.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you know this person.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm sure I do.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_01: This is my sometimes is is kicking in right now.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like, oh my gosh.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh not Eric Johnson.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_01: He was he's a year younger.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_01: Pat Kane is in that that time frame.
• 1:03:25
  SPEAKER_01: Cainer's an 88, but was a late my word, yeah.
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_01: But Kane, Patty Kane?
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_03: Pat Kane, Dave Van Reen, like one seven.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm trying to think of like the answer to his softball question, too.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_03: For sure.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_03: I should have known that.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_03: And then the the Russian guys in 2004 were these dudes called Ovechkin and Malkin.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I remember when both those guys were one's in 85, one's in 86.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_03: Well, Ken, um, thank you so much for joining us.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_03: It's been a long time coming.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_03: We're very appreciative of you giving us your time, and more importantly, appreciative of everything USA Hockey's meant to our show and to everybody around this country who plays our sport.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um, looking forward to seeing you again here soon and having you back on the show.
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_03: And there's a lot of great things happening, and we can't thank you enough.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and and look, you you guys, we appreciate you communicating, you know, good stuff.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you have a show that um parents, coaches, people should listen to.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you know, that there's a little bit of there's some great information, uh, a little bit of reality, a lot of fun around the sport.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_01: It it's it's kind of what hockey is supposed to be, right?
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I think you guys do a really good job of representing what the youth hockey experience should be for people.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_01: So thanks.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks for the kind words.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_03: Appreciate the kind words.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_03: Good luck the rest of the season, and uh we'll talk to you soon.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_03: Sounds good.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_03: I did the I did the stupid thing with the I did it again.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_03: Oops, I did it again.
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_03: If you're watching us on YouTube, every time you make a hand gesture on this uh this with this AI driven uh AI driven technology, you know, um I'm never I I every conversation we have with the USA hockey guys and gals is it's I'm I I take at least three or four things away.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm just so you know great.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_07: Great development.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_07: Love it.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_03: I I'm I'm I'm I'm advocating for that.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_03: I think we try to do that at our at our at our uh organizational level.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but I think that there's something to it, and um, you know, the communication factor.
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_03: I love how he leans, you know, Ken was like leaning into communicating.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um and that does.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_03: I think it I think it it it gave every parent a job.
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's a good idea, too.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_03: And I think it takes a lot of the the pressure off of the whole thing.
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_07: The fun the funny thing about giving every every parent a job, and I'm sure you've seen this before, you'll get the parents that'll be like, oh no.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_07: I didn't sign up to do that.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_03: No, I didn't sign up to do that.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you know, well, big thanks to Ken and USA Hockey, Bob Mancini and the entire team.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_03: We've uh we're very grateful as always to be able to partner with everybody and have great conversations.
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I think we've got uh we get we get back on the ice here Friday, more trout's coming for Ladoo, and I know right now youth hockey is gig on Thursday, August the 20th, if you're uh in town, uh or if you live here in town in St.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_07: Louis, too many men on the mic.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_07: Yep, the acoustic duo version where we have Pickett and Grinnan back at Fallons.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_07: Yes, and uh that'll be uh that'll be a lot of fun.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_07: It's always fun being back.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely love love those folks.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_07: And oh, one quick ad that I want to put out on Fallons that uh Dan shared with me.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_07: They're having a uh a little bit of a tap tour from our friends at Modern Brewery.
• 1:07:00
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• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_07: They're having a little uh little tap-off.
• 1:07:11
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• 1:07:15
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• 1:07:17
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• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_03: Click acoustic bookings if you're looking for great music and great conversation.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_03: We typically bring a crowd, uh, maybe some rowdy hockey parents.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_07: You also can find uh lots of drills like the one that Ken just went through on our website as well.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_07: So if you're a coach out there, especially with season uh quickly approaching, you're getting your practice plans together.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_07: We've said it before many times.
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_07: Uh we're thieves, uh, we'll steal a great practice plan idea uh every single time.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_07: And so uh we've done I think a lot to really put a nice collection of drills out there.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_07: So take a look when you're on the website.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_07: If you're not looking for the gig or interested in having too many men on the mic, play your show or play your place.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_07: At least take a look at the drills.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_07: Check them out.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think that's a wrap on a great show.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_03: We've actually got to go rehearse for the next gig, so we're gonna let everybody go.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_03: Have a great rest of the week.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_03: We'll talk to you next week.
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_03: He shoots, he scores.