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Credlin | 29 April · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kranlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Predline. The plot thickens for those isis women
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Speaker 2: as the US State Department becomes involved. Hard to believe
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Speaker 2: it isn't being done with the permission of our government.
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Speaker 2: So what's at play here? More on that shortly, Tony Abbottoo,
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Speaker 2: he'll join me. We'll discuss Islamic State. Of course he
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Speaker 2: was the Prime Minister when we went to war with
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Speaker 2: Islamic State. But also that fuel or overwelcome to country ceremonies.
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Speaker 2: He's got some strong views. We'll talk to that. Talk
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Speaker 2: to him about that later. Plus the backlog nearly half
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Speaker 2: a million people trying to stay in Australia. So where's
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Speaker 2: Labour's tough talk and action on immigration and inflation nearing
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Speaker 2: a three year high. Yes, of course Iran and the
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Speaker 2: fuel crisis a part of it, but Labour can't be
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Speaker 2: allowed to use that as a kopp out for its
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Speaker 2: shocking economic management.
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Speaker 3: This war could drive inflation even higher before it comes
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Speaker 3: back down again.
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Speaker 2: The first of the Albanezer government, insisting that the so
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Speaker 2: called Islamic brides or I call them terrorist accomplices should
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Speaker 2: return to Australia, and when they do, says the government,
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Speaker 2: they will face the full force of the law. Australian
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Speaker 2: government has a very clear position on this.
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Speaker 1: We do not support the repatriation of this group of
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Speaker 1: people and we have not facilitated or assisted their return
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Speaker 1: to Australia.
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Speaker 2: Please, here's the Prime Minister to insisting over and over
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Speaker 2: again that his government wasn't giving them any help.
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Speaker 4: My views have not changed with regard to people who
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Speaker 4: went overseas. Made clear that what we haven't done is
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Speaker 4: repatriate people, and we have no plans to do so.
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Speaker 4: It won't repatriate them, and government is providing no support.
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Speaker 2: What a joke. Issuing passports to these four women and
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Speaker 2: children is about as helpful as it gets. So too
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Speaker 2: is Australia allowing help from the United States and getting
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Speaker 2: them out of Damascus and on a plane to Australia.
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Speaker 2: When specifically asked about that today, well, the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: absolutely dodged.
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Speaker 5: Its questions to operatacre Apiosis, Pride Soft Camp, Easyria William
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Speaker 5: Australia look at that being with invide VET.
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Speaker 4: That's not a new statement and one of the things
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Speaker 4: I've said is that we are providing no support for
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Speaker 4: repatriation and no assistance for these people.
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Speaker 2: Does they even answer the question about the United States,
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Speaker 2: And trust me, the United States would not be involved
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Speaker 2: without the agreement implied or explicit from our government. That's
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Speaker 2: how it works. So having not helped them by issuing passports,
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Speaker 2: and having not helped them by apparently getting the United
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Speaker 2: States involved in their apatriation, the Ominizi government will now
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Speaker 2: continue to not help them by refraining from drawing attention
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Speaker 2: to their arrival back here, because when they do turn up,
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Speaker 2: I guarantee you it'll be in the dead of night.
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Speaker 2: Because again that's how this government works. Now, it can,
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Speaker 2: of course have these women listed on what's called the
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Speaker 2: passenger Movement List and alert list, so the government's notified
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Speaker 2: the moment they bought a plane out of the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: I suspect they will do that, but they won't do
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Speaker 2: it to protect you. They'll do it so that they
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Speaker 2: could get these women through the airport without attracting any
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Speaker 2: media attention at all. Now, as for the full force
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Speaker 2: of the law promised by Labor, even if one or
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Speaker 2: two of them might eventually face some sort of investigation
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Speaker 2: or indeed even prosecution. Does anyone think their arrival back
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Speaker 2: into Australia will be greeted by the sort of media
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Speaker 2: circus we saw in relation to Ben Robert Smith, or
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Speaker 2: they be dragged off a plane in front of their children,
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Speaker 2: in front of dozens of spectators, in front of the media,
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Speaker 2: tipped off and then that footage filmed and released by
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Speaker 2: the AFP. Because that's the double standard that's got me
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Speaker 2: and so many Australians incensed here. Ben Robert Smith put
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Speaker 2: his life on the line for our country. He fought
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Speaker 2: against Islamist terrorism to keep us safe from a murderous
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Speaker 2: global caliphate. These women left Australia to join that self
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Speaker 2: same caliphate. Now yet Robert Smith, of course, is being
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Speaker 2: pursued through the courts and he is being subjected to
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Speaker 2: what looks like official persecution, while these women are simply
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Speaker 2: being way back into Australia by an impot in Prime
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Speaker 2: minister who says he's not helping them when he is,
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Speaker 2: but who could stop them if he really wanted to,
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Speaker 2: if he wanted to, as the vast majority of Australians
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Speaker 2: want him to do. And now there are reports that
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Speaker 2: the male relatives of these women that they kept Yazdi
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Speaker 2: women as sex slaves during their time in the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: Now it is not lost to me when I worked
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Speaker 2: for the Prime Minister, the former Prime Minister Tony Abbott,
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Speaker 2: that our military was involved in rescuing Yazdi women who
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Speaker 2: were being hunted by Islamic State at Mount Sinjar in
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Speaker 2: northern Iraq. This was August twenty fourteen, the Sinjar massacre
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Speaker 2: we know it as today, thousands of Yazdi men, women
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Speaker 2: and children abducted and slaughtered in the name of radical Islam. Now,
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Speaker 2: Australia was part of an international allied force at the
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Speaker 2: time that managed to evacuate some fifty thousand people off
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Speaker 2: that mountain. And yet we did that then with our
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Speaker 2: servicemen and women at the pointing end of the sphere,
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Speaker 2: and now are decade on, we're letting people connected with
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Speaker 2: this terrorist group Islamic State returned safely to Australia. Go figure, this.
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Speaker 6: Is meant to be a feminist government. James and these
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Speaker 6: two Yazidi six slaves, interviewed by the left wing ABC
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Speaker 6: Foreign correspondent, said they were forced to live in a
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Speaker 6: house of the patriarch of this family in an area
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Speaker 6: that Australia designated as a terrorist zone. It's a disgrace.
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Speaker 6: They should be kept out of the country.
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Speaker 2: Listen to Michael Danby because he has had all the
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Speaker 2: security briefings that I have, and the Tony Habit a
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Speaker 2: bit later on the show has had. When the guy
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Speaker 2: that tried to protect us from terrorism, Ben Robert Smith,
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Speaker 2: has been charged and the women that wanted to expose
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Speaker 2: us to terrorism have not been charged, then something's very
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Speaker 2: rotten with the way Australia works. The Albinizi government tells
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Speaker 2: us that these are the most dangerous times in seven decades.
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Speaker 2: The defense ministers even named China as our biggest strategic challenge.
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Speaker 7: China continues to engage in the world's largest conventional military
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Speaker 7: build up that we have seen since the end of
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Speaker 7: World War II. It is pursuing greater strategic depth by
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Speaker 7: enforcing contested territorial and maritime claims in the South and
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Speaker 7: East China seas.
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Speaker 2: Our security agencies are concerned that networked Chinese made evs
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Speaker 2: could be eavesdropping in people, with the information passed back
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Speaker 2: to the Chinese government. The Israeli government or they've banned
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Speaker 2: its defense and security officials from driving any Chinese electric vehicles.
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Speaker 2: The US two has effectively banned Chinese EV's right across
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Speaker 2: the board for the entire population by waking a one
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Speaker 2: hundred percent import tariff on them. But here in Australia,
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Speaker 2: not only are the sales of Chinese evs on the rise,
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Speaker 2: but the government has just put seven China these electric
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Speaker 2: vehicles on the list of cars that MPs and senior
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Speaker 2: public servants can get as part of their taxpayer funded
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Speaker 2: salary deals. Now, honestly, nothing this government does adds up.
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Speaker 2: How can one part of the government, the intelligence agencies,
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Speaker 2: say how concerned they are about Chinese spying, and yet
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Speaker 2: another part of the government be facilitating that spying by
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Speaker 2: putting MPs and ministers in cars that can hoover up
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Speaker 2: every bit of electronic information. So not just the calls
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Speaker 2: that are made in the car, but they also will
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Speaker 2: have the ability to suck the data out of every device,
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Speaker 2: the phone, the laptop, everything that's used in that car,
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Speaker 2: even the destination on the GPS where the cars go to. Now,
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Speaker 2: how stupid is this government? The Trade Minister Don Farrell
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Speaker 2: will he's been into China three times in his current role.
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Speaker 2: He's had no fewer than twelve meetings with his Chinese counterpart. Well,
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Speaker 2: he's made it publicly known that he drives a Chinese
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Speaker 2: so does the Home Affairs Minister Tony berg I'm not
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Speaker 2: telling you any state secrets. Here was a bitue. If
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Speaker 2: it's in the media, China know anyway. China is sucking
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Speaker 2: everything out of those cars on a daily basis. The
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Speaker 2: AZO head Mike Burgess says, and I quote, you can
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Speaker 2: take a risk managed approach, but be wary that everything
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Speaker 2: you say may be recorded when it comes to electronic vehicles.
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Speaker 2: That's the head of our spy agency. Now, maybe MPs
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Speaker 2: and ministers will take the advice of agencies and places
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Speaker 2: like ASIO and not use their phones in the car
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Speaker 2: while they're driving. Come on, we're not that gullible, are we. Finally, now,
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Speaker 2: as experts feared it would happen, inflation today spiked to
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Speaker 2: an annualized rate of four point six percent. Now, naturally,
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Speaker 2: the Albanizer government says, nothing to do with us here,
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Speaker 2: nothing to do with our spending addiction. It's everything to
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Speaker 2: do with events beyond our control, like the war in
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Speaker 2: the Persian.
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Speaker 3: Gulf, the tickup in the monthly headline data today was
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Speaker 3: driven by the conflict, and this war could drive inflation
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Speaker 3: up even higher before it comes back down again.
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Speaker 2: Yes, part of today's jump was the result of elevated
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Speaker 2: fuel prices up some sixty percent. Even if the government
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Speaker 2: had bigger fuel stockpiles, and if the government had allowed
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Speaker 2: more oil exploration and extraction here we would be far
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Speaker 2: less dependent on foreigners. But another big part of the jump,
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Speaker 2: a twenty five percent hike in electricity prices, was due
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Speaker 2: to the withdrawal of household subsidies that should never have
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Speaker 2: been necessary in the first place. The government should never
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Speaker 2: let its emissions obsession and its worship of the climate
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Speaker 2: gods destroy our once affordable and reliable electricity grid. Now,
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Speaker 2: the basic problem for economic management in this country right
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Speaker 2: now is that we've got the clowns in charge. The
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Well, he's never had any interest in an
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Speaker 2: economic Area's got no real economic background. He certainly hasn't
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Speaker 2: been in the portfolios that matter, largely because he thinks
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Speaker 2: business people in the private sector are capitalist exploiters. And
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Speaker 2: the Treasurer loves to be called doctor Jim Well that
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Speaker 2: doctorates in politics, not economics. His thesis wasn't on the
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Speaker 2: economic policy and the clarity of Paul keating what he
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Speaker 2: dared when he was Prime Minister and even treasurer often
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Speaker 2: made sense. But that PhD is on his brutal political
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Speaker 2: style in bad times and in good The best economic
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Speaker 2: policy is is keeping spending under control, taxes down, and
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Speaker 2: regulation as low as possible, because that puts the economy
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Speaker 2: in the best shape to withstand external shocks. Instead, these
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Speaker 2: clowns are going harder and harder and harder, spending up big,
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Speaker 2: raising taxes, all of which will but tie the hands
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Speaker 2: of the Reserve Bank now. Sadly, all this inflation result
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Speaker 2: today confirms is that more interest rate rises are on
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Speaker 2: the way. Let's got to camin now for the headlines
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Speaker 2: skyn is political reporter Ruben Spargo.
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Speaker 8: A third strate interest rate rise looks almost certain next
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Speaker 8: week as the Reserve Bank considers the latest inflation figures.
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Speaker 8: The consumer price index increased four point six percent in
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Speaker 8: the year to March, the highest level since twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 3: These inflationary pressures mean that Australians are paying a hefty
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Speaker 3: price for the war in the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: This is an issue of the government's own making.
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Speaker 9: The budget is not in a position where it's going
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Speaker 9: to be able to afford to weather those circumstances.
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Speaker 8: Fuel prices are driving the latest rise in inflation. They
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Speaker 8: increased nearly thirty three percent in the month to March,
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Speaker 8: the largest gain since records began in twenty seventeen. The
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Speaker 8: Prime Minister is making the case for changing the capital
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Speaker 8: gains tax and negative gearing in the upcoming budget. Resilience
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Speaker 8: and generational equity is said to be the central themes.
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Speaker 4: Making sure that fairness, aspiration and opportunity are visible, are real,
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Speaker 4: and are within reach.
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Speaker 8: If Anthony Abernezi goes ahead, the coalition claims it would
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Speaker 8: break an election promise.
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Speaker 10: Do you rule out changes to negative gearing if elected?
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Speaker 10: Yes or not?
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Speaker 4: You asked me that before twenty and twenty two. I
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Speaker 4: told people we wouldn't make changes. The proofs in the
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Speaker 4: putting Andrew. If we're going to make changes, then why
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Speaker 4: haven't we?
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Speaker 8: Before signaling his agenda for the upcoming budget, the Prime
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Speaker 8: Minister's business breakfast in Perth was interrupted by activists. The
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Speaker 8: anti gas protester was dragged off stage.
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Speaker 2: All right, as you heard there, those headline inflation figures
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Speaker 2: have jump today three point seven percent to four point
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Speaker 2: six percent, slightly below expectations, but still in the first
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Speaker 2: sign of course, that the toll in relation to the
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Speaker 2: Iran War is being played out in the economy. Johnny
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Speaker 2: me now for his analysis, Sky's business editor Ross Greenwood.
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Speaker 2: I know when I said this at the top there
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Speaker 2: it came in under expectations. They were sky high, and
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Speaker 2: we're heading up to five percent. Where did you think
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Speaker 2: the number was when it landed?
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Speaker 11: So I was surprised it was as low as it was.
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Speaker 11: I thought it would have been higher. But the reality
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Speaker 11: is it's going to continue to rise. And there's a
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Speaker 11: fundamental problem here. It's not so much the inflation rate today.
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Speaker 11: It's people's expectations of what inflation will be in the future.
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Speaker 11: Because as soon as you get used to the idea
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Speaker 11: that price is arising, then wage rise and start to
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Speaker 11: become normalized at four or five percent, having your supermarket
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Speaker 11: price is going up by four or five percent, electricity price,
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Speaker 11: you don't seem to notice it so much. And this
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Speaker 11: normalization of inflation at higher rates is a thing that
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Speaker 11: ultimately leads to higher unemployment. High unemployment is not a
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Speaker 11: good thing for its Australians that's the reason why the
15:03
Speaker 11: government has got so much money through the cough is
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Speaker 11: that it's been able to spend that plus more.
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Speaker 10: And so as a result, if that.
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Speaker 11: Really comes undone, then the government and the nation is
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Speaker 11: in a much worse position and ultimately leads to a recession.
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Speaker 11: So what the Reserve Bank will have to do is
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Speaker 11: to head off those inflation expectations. Not the inflation itself,
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Speaker 11: but the expectations of inflation is raising interstrates pretty rapidly
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Speaker 11: to try and head that off, and that of course
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Speaker 11: will slow our economy, will slow the amount of money
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Speaker 11: coming through the door, and so really that is then
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Speaker 11: beholden on the government to also cut its cloth according
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Speaker 11: to the money that's coming through the door. But that's
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Speaker 11: not what it's doing. Because it's recurrent spending is so great.
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Speaker 11: The ongoing debts of Australia are simply going to rise.
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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll get to fiscal policies moment. We'll get to
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Speaker 2: the government's role. Here, we're talking about monetary policy. If
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Speaker 2: you're going to start to raise interest rates, that's going
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Speaker 2: to hit hard business comptvidence, which is already putting anemic
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Speaker 2: in a lot of places. You talk about it. It's
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Speaker 2: a slow it'll slow growth. Yes, growth is just grimbling
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Speaker 2: along as it is. That's a huge productivity problem. We've
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Speaker 2: gone anyway. This will just exacerbate it, won't it.
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Speaker 11: Right, So if you go back, it's twenty five years
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Speaker 11: I look back. The average growth rate in Australia is
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Speaker 11: three point three percent.
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Speaker 10: Now.
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Speaker 11: The last growth rate came into two point six percent,
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Speaker 11: and that was seen to be too hot for our economy.
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Speaker 11: The economy can now grow at only two percent, and
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Speaker 11: that's because Australia has become uncompetitive. Our tax rates are
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Speaker 11: too high, our energy prices are too high, our wages
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Speaker 11: are too high, and as a result, doing business in
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Speaker 11: Australia has become too hard. Now there are some businesses
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Speaker 11: sure that do okay, there's no problems about that. But
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Speaker 11: there's a lot of businesses that struggle manufacture. It's a
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Speaker 11: number of businesses.
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Speaker 2: Right now, but anyone that's got a labor input or
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Speaker 2: a high energy input.
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Speaker 10: That's right.
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Speaker 11: And so as a result, you see every one of
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Speaker 11: the refineries, every one of the foundries on the East
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Speaker 11: Coast of Australia basically on government life support.
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Speaker 10: And that's your tax payer money.
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Speaker 11: Propping up those businesses that if they had lower energy
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Speaker 11: prices and if they had better input costs, they would
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Speaker 11: not require that support. So this is no why this
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Speaker 11: is the so called future Made in Australia. But the
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Speaker 11: reality is it's actually government propping up businesses that otherwise
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Speaker 11: would go broke simply because the economic settings are wrong.
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Speaker 11: So if you want to fix Australia, you've got to
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Speaker 11: make Australia more competitive. And that's not by raising taxes
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Speaker 11: like we're hearing about capital gains tax and negative gearing.
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Speaker 11: It's trying to work out ways that you can cut taxes, which,
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Speaker 11: if you go back in history, is exactly what you know.
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Speaker 11: It's Bob Hawk and what the poor keeping, what Bill Kelty,
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Speaker 11: what Peter Walsh labor champions were able to do by
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Speaker 11: having accord with unions to cap wages and then to
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Speaker 11: start selling some assets, bringing down debts and trying to
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Speaker 11: improve productivity and competitiveness in the Australian.
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Speaker 2: This is where I wish that Jim Chalmers had done
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Speaker 2: his PhD on the economic acumen of Keating, not his
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Speaker 2: parliamentary brawler style, not the thuggery that we saw on
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Speaker 2: display a question time because this would give him, I guess,
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Speaker 2: a labor argument to say this is the labor way,
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Speaker 2: this is what we need to do. But he's following
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Speaker 2: the modality of the rug era, you know when he
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Speaker 2: was Swan's chief of staff, the big spending labor, the
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Speaker 2: high taxing labor. And of course this is what we're
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Speaker 2: talking here now about fiscal policy. What fortnite now before
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Speaker 2: we've got the budget. I just don't see that they've
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Speaker 2: got the political ticker to go through all the levers
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Speaker 2: they have. The bank's got one rates, government's got a
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Speaker 2: multitude of levers to deal with the inflation spike that
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Speaker 2: it is generating with spending. Are we going to see it?
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Speaker 11: But if you think about this, Anthony Albani's whole life
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Speaker 11: has been about, you know, basically knocking Tories on.
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Speaker 2: The head steroids.
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Speaker 11: So that's right, and so his whole thing is about
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Speaker 11: a social agenda. A social agenda costs. And in a
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Speaker 11: perfect world, you would have a brilliant social agenda because
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Speaker 11: you've got an economy that is so competitive and which
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Speaker 11: is growing so rapidly, you can afford that speci But.
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Speaker 2: You can't have that ros. You can't have a big
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Speaker 2: state that the social love with the state running your
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Speaker 2: lives and basically taking two dollars off business to put
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Speaker 2: one dollar back in the work.
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Speaker 10: So the big question they're not.
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Speaker 2: Competitive, that's right.
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Speaker 11: So the big question in this budget is to the government,
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Speaker 11: how do you get this economy to grow faster, to
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Speaker 11: be more productive. And they're talking, they talk the right game,
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Speaker 11: but it's about the actions they take. And of course
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Speaker 11: the whole part about the capital gains tax and the
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Speaker 11: negative gearing that's now up in the air is about
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Speaker 11: intergenerational fairness.
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Speaker 10: It's actually not.
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Speaker 11: It's about grab it's actually about grabbing more tax and
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Speaker 11: this is none of this is about cutting company taxes,
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Speaker 11: cutting your taxes.
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Speaker 10: Apart from some small cost of.
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Speaker 11: Living measures at the edges, it's not about making wholesale
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Speaker 11: changes to make Australians want to set up a business,
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Speaker 11: to set up a new operation, to become major exporters,
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Speaker 11: to really keep more of their own.
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Speaker 2: They're governing by tax, by press release, ross in all announcement,
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Speaker 2: it's all performative and you can see just in the
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Speaker 2: case of Snowy Hydro, two billion dollars done in a
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Speaker 2: couple of years. We're a decade on it's forty two billion.
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Speaker 2: I get no sense, having worked in government for sixteen years,
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Speaker 2: that these guys are sitting behind their desks. They're doing
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Speaker 2: the work, they're riding the public servants, they're delivering value
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Speaker 2: for every dollar that they spend of ours. It's a show.
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Speaker 2: Camera's are shown.
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Speaker 10: And then there's a second part about this.
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Speaker 11: Where are the federal politicians writing the states hard when
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Speaker 11: really writing this?
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Speaker 2: How writing Victoria competitive federicks?
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Speaker 11: When you suddenly saw that that wage rise for teachers
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Speaker 11: in Victoria actually sent tell my viewers tw twenty eight
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Speaker 11: percent wage rise.
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Speaker 10: I got to sit there.
20:53
Speaker 11: I just about fell over when I heard that wage
20:55
Speaker 11: rise that they wouldn't negotiate to that.
20:57
Speaker 10: And I sat there and thought, where if keeping it?
21:01
Speaker 11: Being there with Joan Kerner in those days that the
21:03
Speaker 11: then Premier of Victoria, if Chas Barguinas who was the
21:08
Speaker 11: Victorian ordered a general that's on that called them all
21:11
Speaker 11: out for the spending. Where are these people now calling
21:14
Speaker 11: out that over spending? Because this is the thing that's
21:17
Speaker 11: holding Australia back that you know, Australia is still in
21:20
Speaker 11: great economic circumstances. Everything otherwise is going good, but gee,
21:24
Speaker 11: we're putting some of the triggers in place.
21:27
Speaker 10: Now that calls us.
21:28
Speaker 2: We're so fired up. We're at that ag We're so
21:30
Speaker 2: fight up because we've got long memories and you wonder
21:33
Speaker 2: where our country is headed. Wait, we've got to move
21:35
Speaker 2: on to other things. We'll catch up again.
21:37
Speaker 10: Thank you.
21:38
Speaker 2: How good is he?
21:38
Speaker 10: God?
21:39
Speaker 2: I'd like it to have you that sky. All right,
21:40
Speaker 2: let's go to the other news around today. Senior reporter
21:42
Speaker 2: Caroln Marcus joins me and the National Affairs editor at
21:45
Speaker 2: the Telly of course to go and his host ab
21:46
Speaker 2: Outsiders and many other things the US report on Friday.
21:49
Speaker 2: James to Morrow. James, I want to start just with
21:51
Speaker 2: the isis brides. I think I said it out well
21:53
Speaker 2: at the top of the show for people to understand
21:55
Speaker 2: some of the nuances today. But the US has intervened. Now,
21:59
Speaker 2: the US, you know, it doesn't trample in someone else's
22:02
Speaker 2: sovereignty jurisdiction and deal with their There would be citizens
22:07
Speaker 2: or certainly passport holds at this stage unless there's been
22:10
Speaker 2: either implied or explicit permission from the Australian government.
22:16
Speaker 12: Yeah. No, I saw that story today, Peter, about this
22:20
Speaker 12: letter that some journalists the Herald saw from the State
22:24
Speaker 12: Department saying, oh, you know, it's just a shame that
22:27
Speaker 12: Australia is not helping us repatriate all of these people,
22:31
Speaker 12: their people from these camps in Syria, because we want
22:34
Speaker 12: to close these camps. And you know, American policy has
22:37
Speaker 12: been for a while that they want to close these
22:39
Speaker 12: camps because they think that this is the best way
22:41
Speaker 12: to prevent Isis from reforming in Syria and in the Levat. Fine,
22:47
Speaker 12: but this letter, it just doesn't ring true to me,
22:50
Speaker 12: particularly this bit about Australia, you know, being so radically
22:55
Speaker 12: opposed to repatriating these Isis women and the families and
22:59
Speaker 12: everybody else, because you know, we've issued how many passports
23:03
Speaker 12: to these people, We've allowed intermediaries to go and take
23:07
Speaker 12: them across borders apparently to h to these people, to
23:11
Speaker 12: the people in circumstances that otherwise, you know, might fall
23:15
Speaker 12: a foul of the Passport Act, and have done all
23:18
Speaker 12: sorts of things to facilitate their return, not invoking the
23:23
Speaker 12: various aspects we've spoken about it before in the Passport
23:26
Speaker 12: Act that says no, you don't get a passport because
23:28
Speaker 12: you're a potential security threat. All of these sorts of things.
23:31
Speaker 12: They've gone down the other road. This whole idea that
23:34
Speaker 12: Australia hasn't been or the Australian Government hasn't been trying
23:38
Speaker 12: to smooth the way in one way or another for
23:40
Speaker 12: these people is a nonsense. And I think that this letter,
23:44
Speaker 12: I'm very suspicious about it. I'd love to see the
23:46
Speaker 12: thing itself, where it came from, who had signed off,
23:49
Speaker 12: who was signed off on it? Is this about providing
23:51
Speaker 12: a bit of cover for Australia politically, domestically, you know,
23:55
Speaker 12: while they go and do that.
23:58
Speaker 2: I think this is overlated in some way to Kevin Ruddy.
24:02
Speaker 2: I'd like him to come out and clear the air there.
24:04
Speaker 2: But know the timing of all of this his early departure.
24:08
Speaker 2: There were people in the Parliament on the other side
24:10
Speaker 2: who sought the discovery of documents in relation to his
24:14
Speaker 2: departure and the appointment of the new Australian ambassador to Washington,
24:18
Speaker 2: and leeve was denied those documents would not be produced.
24:22
Speaker 2: So let's clear the air, Kevin. Let's clear the air
24:25
Speaker 2: government and make us absolutely confident that there isn't some
24:30
Speaker 2: deal with the Australian government that they can have all
24:34
Speaker 2: this deniability, but use the United States or other players
24:38
Speaker 2: around the world to do what they're denying to the
24:40
Speaker 2: media here that they're doing in relation to these women
24:44
Speaker 2: Caroline evs. These electric vehicles that not only are we
24:47
Speaker 2: using them here and ases is ringing bells of warning,
24:50
Speaker 2: but they're still for sale in Australia. Israel won't allow
24:54
Speaker 2: senior politicians and others to use the military to use them.
24:57
Speaker 2: The United States effectively bans them for everybody. And yet
25:00
Speaker 2: we find out today that we've got a whole lot
25:02
Speaker 2: of Australian politicians about to get them as part of
25:05
Speaker 2: their salary packages. And of course it's not just the
25:10
Speaker 2: call you make. It'll hoover every little bit of data
25:13
Speaker 2: out of every device. You sit in the car for
25:15
Speaker 2: four or five minutes, and it's gone back to Beijing.
25:19
Speaker 2: We are crazy.
25:21
Speaker 13: It beggars belief, doesn't it. I mean, the US as
25:23
Speaker 13: you want out, they've effectively banned it by banning the
25:26
Speaker 13: software and the hardware that's linked back to the Chinese
25:30
Speaker 13: Communist Party. And now we've just had a number of
25:33
Speaker 13: models of Chinese EV's being added to this list of
25:36
Speaker 13: cars that federal government MPs ministers can drive. All at
25:44
Speaker 13: our expense, the taxpayers funding this for them to drive
25:47
Speaker 13: around in these cars. And on note that Home Affairs
25:50
Speaker 13: Minister Tony Burker's had one now for a couple of years.
25:53
Speaker 13: He drives one of these Chinese EV's himself, despite being
25:58
Speaker 13: I guess one.
25:59
Speaker 2: Of the MAST people.
26:00
Speaker 13: I think that the Chinese Communist Party would be interested
26:04
Speaker 13: in evesdropping in on and he's had to admit that
26:09
Speaker 13: his own Department of Foreign Affairs of Home Affairs had
26:12
Speaker 13: to give him advice as to what he could and.
26:16
Speaker 2: Couldn't do in his own car.
26:18
Speaker 13: I mean, these things have been described as listening devices
26:22
Speaker 13: on wheels. He can't connect his own mobile phone to
26:26
Speaker 13: the car. You can't tell me that any of the
26:29
Speaker 13: government MPs who drive around in these things are not
26:33
Speaker 13: going to let slip anything that could be a national
26:37
Speaker 13: security issue ever in their own car. I find that
26:40
Speaker 13: very hard to believe, when we know a lot of
26:42
Speaker 13: them conduct their personal affairs in their long hours on
26:46
Speaker 13: the road.
26:47
Speaker 2: It's insane. Of course they do. They talk about factional
26:50
Speaker 2: politics in the car, They talk about donations, they talk
26:53
Speaker 2: about internal caucus issues, even if they're not talking about
26:57
Speaker 2: their portfolios, which I absolutely believe they would be. I mean,
27:00
Speaker 2: I'm sat in the car with politicians and that's all
27:03
Speaker 2: they talk. I mean, politicians love talking about politics. And
27:06
Speaker 2: you know when these politicians go to China, they get
27:09
Speaker 2: briefings from foreign affairs to say, you know, don't take
27:12
Speaker 2: your real phone, take a burn a phone, do this,
27:14
Speaker 2: do that. You know, you have all of these protocols,
27:17
Speaker 2: even to the point that there are specialized rooms in
27:20
Speaker 2: posts around the world, so embassies, where if you want
27:24
Speaker 2: to have a conversation, you've got to basically go into
27:25
Speaker 2: the kind of silence. And we're making it easy for
27:28
Speaker 2: them because we're allowing them basically to tap our phones
27:31
Speaker 2: in Australia and no one has to go anywhere. I mean,
27:34
Speaker 2: I just think it's extraordinary. I just talked to Ross
27:37
Speaker 2: about the inflation data out today. But in addition to
27:40
Speaker 2: being hit with inflation spikes and what's likely now James
27:44
Speaker 2: to be this increase in our interest rates, our mortgage
27:47
Speaker 2: rates from the first of July, there's also this massive
27:51
Speaker 2: hike to power prices coming through, which is to pay
27:54
Speaker 2: for the polls and the wires. So eleven percent increase
27:57
Speaker 2: up if you're in New South Wales, that's Endeavor Energy
28:01
Speaker 2: nine and a half for osgared. In Queensland, the network
28:05
Speaker 2: charges will come up by about eleven percent. I don't
28:08
Speaker 2: know what it is in Victoria yet, but it'll be
28:10
Speaker 2: worse because it's Victoria. I mean, at what point are
28:15
Speaker 2: people given some sort of reprieve from this cost of
28:19
Speaker 2: living hit?
28:20
Speaker 1: Oh?
28:20
Speaker 12: Well, you know, Peter, they'll hand back a couple hundred
28:22
Speaker 12: bucks here and a couple one hundred dollars back there
28:24
Speaker 12: and call it responsible cost of living.
28:27
Speaker 10: You know.
28:28
Speaker 12: I don't know, Peter. I was told by Chris Bowen
28:30
Speaker 12: a million times that renewables are the cheapest form of energy.
28:34
Speaker 12: I'm not seeing it. But what I am seeing, though, is,
28:36
Speaker 12: and I forgive me for being cynical here tonight, it
28:39
Speaker 12: really does feel like this is all part of some
28:43
Speaker 12: sort of deliberate plan to just crash everything out, because
28:47
Speaker 12: there's no other explanation. This is the way it's all going.
28:50
Speaker 12: Energy up, interest rates up, productivity down, you know, and
28:54
Speaker 12: they're gonna smash up the property market next if Jim
28:57
Speaker 12: Chalmers gets it, gets his way, And it feels to me,
29:00
Speaker 12: you know, the only way that we're going to get
29:01
Speaker 12: out of this death viral right now is if you
29:04
Speaker 12: have cheap energy and you deregulate the economy so that
29:07
Speaker 12: young people have the chance to get just as rich
29:09
Speaker 12: as people in previous generations did. Instead, they are playing
29:12
Speaker 12: to the worst instincts of politics and just letting everything
29:16
Speaker 12: get worse because they figured, well, you know, we can
29:19
Speaker 12: consolidate our power off the back of this while the
29:23
Speaker 12: coalition and the Right seems to be in disarray. It's
29:26
Speaker 12: very cynical. I know I'm being cynical tonight, Peter, but
29:28
Speaker 12: it really does feel like there's no other explanation for
29:31
Speaker 12: why all of these things are pointing in the direction
29:34
Speaker 12: they are.
29:36
Speaker 2: You call it cynical, made I call it shrewd. I
29:39
Speaker 2: think you're spot on. Oliver there, Thank you to you both.
29:42
Speaker 2: Mark the break, Tony avitall join me here on the desk.
29:44
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about isis these women and the
29:47
Speaker 2: connection of their men to claims of sex slavery with
29:51
Speaker 2: his dy women. But I also want to ask him
29:54
Speaker 2: about this whole issue of welcome to country ceremonies, not
29:57
Speaker 2: just at ANZAC Day but everywhere Welcome back coming up,
30:05
Speaker 2: the massive backlog of migrants here, they're non Australian citizens
30:09
Speaker 2: and they've yet to be processed or returned to their country.
30:13
Speaker 2: Undermines labour stance that they're getting tough on immigration. They
30:17
Speaker 2: are not. But let's first go back to the saga
30:20
Speaker 2: of those women. Those icist women, they're are brides, they
30:23
Speaker 2: are co conspirators in my view, with terrorism joining me
30:26
Speaker 2: here to discuss this, of course former Prime Minister Tony Abbott,
30:29
Speaker 2: who was in the seat when Australia took on Islamic state.
30:34
Speaker 2: I've got to go back to the question of the
30:36
Speaker 2: government continually saying that they're not repatriating, they're not assisting.
30:40
Speaker 2: But there's no greater support of government can give an
30:42
Speaker 2: individual when they are overseas than a piece of paper
30:45
Speaker 2: that says you can return to Australia.
30:48
Speaker 14: Completely correct. Let's remember, Peter, what these women did. They
30:54
Speaker 14: knowingly deliberately left Australia to support and assist this murderous
31:02
Speaker 14: terrorist caliphate. So they've fundamentally forfeited any moral right to
31:08
Speaker 14: an Australian passport. Plainly by issuing them Australian passports, the
31:13
Speaker 14: government is facilitating their return. And this is why I
31:19
Speaker 14: think people are so confused and angry.
31:23
Speaker 10: They look at a government.
31:24
Speaker 14: Which is effectively putting out the welcome mat for people
31:28
Speaker 14: who supported Islamic State and at the same time they're
31:33
Speaker 14: prosecuting the people who fought Islamic State for potential war crimes.
31:39
Speaker 14: Now it's at best, it's a terrible double standard. But
31:44
Speaker 14: you've got to ask yourself on whose side is the
31:47
Speaker 14: Albansy government the.
31:50
Speaker 2: Likely involvement now in the United States, that doesn't happen
31:53
Speaker 2: by accident. The United States doesn't way into an issue
31:56
Speaker 2: like this unless they are asked to by either govern
32:00
Speaker 2: ministers or officials.
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Speaker 14: Correct, and the phraseology of the letter that you referred
32:06
Speaker 14: to earlier in the show is too cute by half.
32:10
Speaker 2: So the PM today though.
32:12
Speaker 14: But plainly the Australian government, one way or another has
32:17
Speaker 14: said to the Americans, Look, it would help us if
32:20
Speaker 14: you were to phrase the letter or any documentation in
32:23
Speaker 14: a particular way.
32:25
Speaker 10: There's a lot of.
32:26
Speaker 14: Game playing going on here, one way or another. If
32:29
Speaker 14: the Australian government really wanted to stop these terrorist supporters
32:35
Speaker 14: coming back to our country, they could, but they're not.
32:38
Speaker 2: I want to make one last comment on this and
32:39
Speaker 2: move on to other things. But I mean, the only
32:42
Speaker 2: time I ever see sympathy from Australans. He relates to
32:44
Speaker 2: the children and even then it's pretty temperate. Now, if
32:50
Speaker 2: these were women without children, we would say rotten. How really,
32:53
Speaker 2: I think few Australians would want them to come back.
32:56
Speaker 2: Doesn't this just invite someone who goes to join a
32:59
Speaker 2: terrorist death cult and there'll be more of them. There's
33:02
Speaker 2: a myriad of radical Islam groups around the world to
33:05
Speaker 2: start breeding to have some children, because that'll be insurance
33:08
Speaker 2: policy to come back to a place like Australia.
33:10
Speaker 14: You can't use kids as human shields, and that's effectively
33:13
Speaker 14: what they're doing. They're using their children as human shields. Now,
33:19
Speaker 14: it's a dreadful situation. I accept that, but they put
33:24
Speaker 14: themselves in it. They put themselves in it, and in
33:28
Speaker 14: so doing they've effectively forfeited any right to return.
33:32
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about welcomes to country. Because you went
33:35
Speaker 2: to the National Service at the War Memorial there was
33:40
Speaker 2: not a welcome to country.
33:41
Speaker 14: There was there no although on the documentation there was
33:45
Speaker 14: the now standard public service acknowledgement that the land belongs
33:49
Speaker 14: to someone more than.
33:50
Speaker 2: All of us, but the soldier, that the servicemen VM
33:55
Speaker 2: and the sailor. They were number one on.
33:57
Speaker 14: The day, exactly right, and none of the dignitaries, none
34:03
Speaker 14: of the mcs gave a welcome to country. There was
34:08
Speaker 14: the playing of a digialdo, which I think was perfect.
34:13
Speaker 14: But my problem with welcomes to country is that it implies, implicitly,
34:22
Speaker 14: if not explicitly, that the country belongs to some of
34:26
Speaker 14: us more than all of us. And this might be
34:30
Speaker 14: fair enough if you're at a remote indigenous community, or
34:33
Speaker 14: if you're going to an Aboriginal medical service or something
34:35
Speaker 14: like that, the chairman might stand up and say, welcome
34:40
Speaker 14: to Gadigle Country or whatever it might be. But for
34:44
Speaker 14: someone to stand up on ANZAC Day and say to
34:48
Speaker 14: the service personnel who have fought for our country worn
34:52
Speaker 14: our country's uniform, well, no, actually it's not your country.
34:56
Speaker 10: It's our country.
34:58
Speaker 14: And at best your guests in this country, but in fact,
35:02
Speaker 14: more often than not, you're really trespasses in this country.
35:05
Speaker 14: Well I just think it's.
35:09
Speaker 10: Wrong.
35:09
Speaker 14: It borders on the insulting. And I don't know how
35:15
Speaker 14: it's crept in. I think the RSL officials have been
35:19
Speaker 14: asleep at the wheel to allow it to creep in.
35:22
Speaker 14: And I think the best thing that the RSL could
35:25
Speaker 14: do right now would be to canvas its members, it's
35:28
Speaker 14: rank and file members, and say is this what you
35:31
Speaker 14: really want? Because I'm pretty sure that the answer would
35:34
Speaker 14: be a resounding nah.
35:36
Speaker 2: The current RSL National chairman, Peter Tinley, former SAS but
35:41
Speaker 2: also a former labor man, he's already on the record
35:43
Speaker 2: to say he likes these welcomes to country, but you
35:46
Speaker 2: reckon if you're serious about a review. And he says
35:48
Speaker 2: he wants a review, he should put it to his
35:51
Speaker 2: members and take their word, not his own private view.
35:56
Speaker 10: Exactly right, Peter.
35:58
Speaker 14: And the reason why I think the Australian public are
36:02
Speaker 14: increasingly uneasy and indeed outspoken about these welcomes to country
36:07
Speaker 14: is because we were never asked should we be welcomed
36:12
Speaker 14: to us?
36:12
Speaker 2: That's why I won't condemn them booing tiny no, because
36:15
Speaker 2: I haven't had a say I wouldn't do it, but
36:17
Speaker 2: they haven't had to say.
36:19
Speaker 14: We were never asked should we be welcomed to our
36:21
Speaker 14: own country by people suggesting that it belongs more to
36:25
Speaker 14: them than to us. We were never asked should we
36:28
Speaker 14: start flying three flags rather than just the flag that
36:32
Speaker 14: represents all of us, the one time we were asked
36:36
Speaker 14: about indigenous separatism, the Voice referendum. Again, the answer was
36:41
Speaker 14: a resounding no. And yet officialdom, the green left establishment
36:47
Speaker 14: that runs Australia today, has just gone on as if
36:51
Speaker 14: that vote never took place, with treaties, with welcomes, with
36:56
Speaker 14: flag flying, with the revering our history.
37:02
Speaker 2: It's wrong.
37:03
Speaker 14: It's wrong, and this is one of the reasons why
37:05
Speaker 14: so many people feel that our democracy is not working
37:10
Speaker 14: as it should.
37:12
Speaker 2: I will leave it there, Tony, have it beautifully said,
37:14
Speaker 2: thank you. Right after break, coming up stunning but not surprising,
37:18
Speaker 2: revelations about a backlog of migrants seeking you to stay
37:21
Speaker 2: in Australia permanently but haven't been processed, haven't been sent
37:25
Speaker 2: home either. You won't believe how many still to come. Wednesday,
37:34
Speaker 2: words with kel Richards. He'll belong in just a minute.
37:37
Speaker 2: But now to the revelations about this backlog of migrants
37:40
Speaker 2: seeking permanent residency in Australia. It's running at a record
37:45
Speaker 2: high of four hundred and twenty five thousand people, which
37:49
Speaker 2: is fueling calls from business to increase the intake of
37:51
Speaker 2: skilled workers and of course complicating Labour's goal. It's a
37:55
Speaker 2: promise it's not reality of reducing net overseas migration. Joining
38:00
Speaker 2: me now Sky is host Jamie Rodgers and Head of
38:02
Speaker 2: Advocacy at Women's Forum Australia, Stepanie Bastian. Well, Jamie, I
38:07
Speaker 2: mean four hundred and twenty five thousand people, half a million,
38:12
Speaker 2: let's call it that. In Australia at the moment, this
38:15
Speaker 2: is one hundred and twenty five thousand more applications on
38:18
Speaker 2: the books than we had prior to the pandemic.
38:21
Speaker 15: It's unbelievable, isn't it, Peter. And what's concerning as well
38:25
Speaker 15: is the fact that we've already had one point four
38:28
Speaker 15: million in migration over just three years. But the fact
38:31
Speaker 15: that businesses are saying that they still don't have staff
38:34
Speaker 15: and that they can't find stuff really shows that we've
38:36
Speaker 15: had an enormous policy failure and the fact that we're
38:39
Speaker 15: seeing play out in real time what happens when you
38:42
Speaker 15: don't plan properly. Because with this sheer volume of people
38:45
Speaker 15: that have already arrived and four hundred thousand that are
38:47
Speaker 15: still in that backlog, we've already seen that the rental
38:50
Speaker 15: rate in Sydney was down to one point one percent.
38:53
Speaker 15: Vacancy rate at the end of March. Hospitals have got
38:56
Speaker 15: enormous weight time, schools are at capacity. We haven't planned
39:00
Speaker 15: and for any of this, and as a result, all
39:01
Speaker 15: of our infrastructure can't keep up. So this is a
39:04
Speaker 15: perfect example of why you need to have a plan
39:06
Speaker 15: before you just go and let millions of people come
39:09
Speaker 15: into the country. So it's an enormous problem, Peter and
39:11
Speaker 15: I don't know how they're going to solve it.
39:14
Speaker 2: And it's not just that the quantity argument that we
39:17
Speaker 2: just had there with Jamie. It's also the quality or
39:21
Speaker 2: the type of migrant and what they're doing to our
39:23
Speaker 2: cultural mix. How many were trying to absorb into Australia
39:27
Speaker 2: in any given generation. The abs stats out there show
39:31
Speaker 2: that first generation migrants total nearly nine million people. So
39:35
Speaker 2: nine million people in Australia right now, thirty two percent
39:38
Speaker 2: of the population are first generation migrants. Now that's a massive,
39:44
Speaker 2: massive number. It is about double what it was just
39:48
Speaker 2: twenty five years ago. Now that again in terms of culture,
39:52
Speaker 2: in terms of teaching them to be Australian, in terms
39:55
Speaker 2: of assimilation. Tony Burke I said assimilation to not integration.
40:00
Speaker 2: That's a concern.
40:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, turning Berk's not concerned about assimilation at all,
40:05
Speaker 1: which is a big part of the problem. And I
40:07
Speaker 1: think this is the number one issue of which one
40:09
Speaker 1: nation is rising because Australians have had enough. The cost
40:13
Speaker 1: of living, the quality of life is all going down.
40:15
Speaker 6: The gurglar look.
40:17
Speaker 1: I think that we can I don't think we should
40:19
Speaker 1: be increasing migration at all. It needs serious cuts and
40:21
Speaker 1: I think I support the calls for developing our skills
40:24
Speaker 1: shortage at home. We've got high unemployment rates. We need
40:28
Speaker 1: to be developing these skills locally, and then we also
40:32
Speaker 1: need to be boosting our productivity by removing the red
40:35
Speaker 1: tape around employment, giving work as an incentive to work longer,
40:39
Speaker 1: to take more home of their pay. There's a whole
40:41
Speaker 1: quagmire of issues here that we're just not dealing with,
40:44
Speaker 1: and the government's response has been to just keep importing.
40:48
Speaker 10: And people have had enough.
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Speaker 2: We ran a story last night in Victoria where you've
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Speaker 2: got public servants earning eight nine hundred thousand dollars. They're
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Speaker 2: not doing what they're supposed to do. They're not delivering
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Speaker 2: the pro on time or on budget. Jamie well Good
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Speaker 2: on the coalition under Jess Wilson they've announced that they're
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Speaker 2: going to review all of these salaries and they're also
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Speaker 2: going to cap the public servants at no more than
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Speaker 2: six hundred thousand dollars. It's the highest any public servant
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Speaker 2: in Victoria will be paid. She had this to say,
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Speaker 2: let's listen.
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Speaker 9: Under a Liberal and Nationals government I lead, we will
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Speaker 9: place a cap on executive salaries in the Victorian public service.
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Speaker 9: Over the past decade under the Labor government, we have
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Speaker 9: seen a tripling in the number of executives in the
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Speaker 9: public service. At the same time, under the watch of
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Speaker 9: Premiers Jacinta Allen, there are five hundred fewer police on
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Speaker 9: the beat today than when she became premier.
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Speaker 2: So no more fact cats, I hope, and that money
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Speaker 2: to be deployed to Victoria's crime crisis.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, well done to Jess Wilson. She's certainly coming out
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Speaker 15: with some great policies asn't Chief Peter and the lead
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Speaker 15: up to the November election. But she makes a really
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Speaker 15: good point. In Victoria under this Allen LA government they
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Speaker 15: have tripled in their public executives and at the same
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Speaker 15: time they've got issues with the roads and crimes going
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Speaker 15: through the roof. And you can't get access to an
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Speaker 15: ambulance and debt. You're paying off one point seven million
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Speaker 15: dollars increase in debt every single hour. So I think
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Speaker 15: it's a fantastic idea. And the fact that some of
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Speaker 15: these executives are getting paid more than just Inter Allen,
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Speaker 15: who's on just over five hundred thousand dollars, more than
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Speaker 15: the Prime Minister who gets just over six hundred thousand dollars,
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Speaker 15: it seems a little bit ridiculous, but it's a good
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Speaker 15: way to start bringing down that enormous budget deficit that
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Speaker 15: you guys have in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: Now this is interesting. I read this as good news
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Speaker 2: for parents finally finding their voice against the activist class
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Speaker 2: on trans issues because a parents group has accused the
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Speaker 2: Australian Human Rights Commission of publishing misleading and unbalanced information
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Speaker 2: about gender treatment on minors, warning it downplays the risks
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Speaker 2: and could lean lead to harmful long term decisions. Stephanie,
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Speaker 2: talk us through what's happening here, because, as I say,
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Speaker 2: I think parents have been told for a long time,
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Speaker 2: if you don't allow your child to transition, they'll there'll
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Speaker 2: be a suicide risk and medicos, the psychiatry association people
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Speaker 2: we talk to. So now we'd much prefer to deal
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Speaker 2: with it first with counseling and other things, and a
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Speaker 2: medical intervention drugs and surgery is the last option, but
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Speaker 2: instead it's often the first option, and parents are saying, no,
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to back that in anymore. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, in terms of the drugs and hormones being a
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Speaker 1: first option, that's to do with the fact that most
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Speaker 1: states now have conversion practice bands which prohibit psychologists and
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Speaker 1: psychiatrists whom taking a holistic approach. This is very positive
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Speaker 1: in the sense that you know, this group represents fifty
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Speaker 1: parents of children with gender dysphoria and they are now
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Speaker 1: pushing back on the guidelines. I was listening to the
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Speaker 1: speech at the National Press Club today with the Grain
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Speaker 1: Human Rights Commission, and they were asked about their guidelines
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Speaker 1: and they said that their guidelines were based on the
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Speaker 1: best interests of the children. Well, that is just based
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Speaker 1: on the evidence available, absolutely not true, because what you're
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Speaker 1: dealing with children first of all, who are who cannot
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Speaker 1: consent to the side effects of things like puberty blockers,
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Speaker 1: cross expomans and surgeries that are irreversible and damages their
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Speaker 1: health and their growth and their sexual.
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Speaker 6: Function and fertility.
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Speaker 1: But secondly, the most recent study a twenty year study
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Speaker 1: with over two thousand participants under the age of twenty
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Speaker 1: three between thirteen and twenty three. The results were released
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Speaker 1: just this month from Finland and it found that the
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Speaker 1: medical transition of children did not improve their mental health outcomes.
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Speaker 1: In fact, it made it was it totally debunked the
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Speaker 1: whole suicide got your card that they push on to
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Speaker 1: parents to support these transitions. So the Austrained Human Rights
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Speaker 1: Commission is still taking its advice from activists, which is
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Speaker 1: an absolute disgrace. They are not acting on the best
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Speaker 1: medical information available. They should be the first ones come
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Speaker 1: out based on the CAST review and this finished study
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Speaker 1: to say that enough is enough. We should be giving
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Speaker 1: a voice to these psychiatrists like doctor Amos and doctor
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Speaker 1: Gillian Spencer who are being silenced and we need to
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Speaker 1: review the evidence because children are being harmed.
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Speaker 2: You're not wrong, Stephanie Bastian, thank you, Jamie Rogers, thank
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Speaker 2: you as well. Also right quick breakout the break Kel Richards.
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Speaker 10: Welcome back to join.
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Speaker 2: Me as he does every Wednesday for the Words Matter segment.
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Speaker 2: The wonderful Kel Richards Kel before we leave Anzac Day,
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Speaker 2: We've got a really timely request from Taz who wants
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Speaker 2: to know. Yes, san Zac Day is pasted us at
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Speaker 2: the moment, but where he says, does the term digger
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Speaker 2: come from?
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Speaker 16: Actually an interesting story behind this. It didn't start with
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Speaker 16: the ANZACs. Digger started with the gold rushers first record
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Speaker 16: at eighteen forty nine, and a digger was an Australian
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Speaker 16: digger on the gold fields, particularly someone that was working
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Speaker 16: with a shallow cutting ash, a shallow dig rather than
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Speaker 16: a deep dig. From there it was borrowed, and I
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Speaker 16: believe the reason it was transferred to the ANZACs was
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Speaker 16: because of trench warfare in France where the diggers had
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Speaker 16: to dig endless miles of trenches, so the transfer was natural.
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Speaker 16: Then they were demobbed and after the war they came
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Speaker 16: back as ex ANZACs extig and they transferred the used
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Speaker 16: to civilians. So it became a sort of form of
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Speaker 16: greeting because of the mayship and the friendliness in this
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Speaker 16: word digger, the most Australian of words.
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Speaker 2: I will say to my audience at home, one of
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Speaker 2: the best things I've ever done in my entire life
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Speaker 2: is go to the Western front. There is a number
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Speaker 2: of museums where they've replicated the trenches. You can stand
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Speaker 2: in them and they are all inspiring when you understand
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Speaker 2: what our men went through to keep us free. Another word,
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Speaker 2: it's another it's a phrase. Actually it's two words here,
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Speaker 2: open slatter, says John. What's the origins of this one?
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Speaker 16: Well, the nice thing about this is it's ours. This
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Speaker 16: is an Aussie invention, coined here in eighteen nineteen. Now
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Speaker 16: there's a source word. The source word is slaver. That
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Speaker 16: bit's American, coined about eighteen oh nine. And when it
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Speaker 16: was coined it meant slip, slide, splash, that kind of thing,
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Speaker 16: so fairly clearly a sort of on a matter peak word.
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Speaker 16: But it was here in Australia that edition of open
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Speaker 16: was added to it. Openslath the meaning a free go.
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Speaker 16: You've you can have a license to do whatever you like.
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Speaker 16: The implication was you've got a license to slip slide,
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Speaker 16: slots and splash all over the place.
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Speaker 2: I often say, don't throw the baby out with the
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Speaker 2: bath border. I don't really know where this came from,
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Speaker 2: but James is asking the same thing to help us
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Speaker 2: out here.
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Speaker 10: Kelp.
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Speaker 16: It's a good expression actually a useful one. It turns
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Speaker 16: up in English from eighteen forty, but that's when it
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Speaker 16: was translated. It comes from German. It was part of
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Speaker 16: German for three hundred years before that. It was part
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Speaker 16: of an old German proverb. In fact, was published in
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Speaker 16: a book of German proverbs in fifteen twelve, and it
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Speaker 16: took three hundred years for it to turn up in English,
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Speaker 16: so that's where it comes from. The meaning's always been
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Speaker 16: the same, hasn't changed over all those years. Always means
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Speaker 16: throwing out the essential with the innessential. What I don't
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Speaker 16: know is why it took us three hundred years to
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Speaker 16: nick this really neat expression from the Germans.
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Speaker 2: What about this one? Darryl wants to know. You know
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Speaker 2: the phrase throw your hat into the ring? Now put
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Speaker 2: your hand up for something, throw your hat into the ring?
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Speaker 2: Where's that one to come from?
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Speaker 16: This is interesting. This comes from nineteenth century boxing. This
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Speaker 16: was Marcus of Queensbury rules. So this was rough stuff,
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Speaker 16: often done in an open field with the ring marked
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Speaker 16: ad in the middle, and very very noisy crowds. Now
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Speaker 16: for a young man wanted to challenge the champion, he
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Speaker 16: couldn't be heard over the crowd, they're all screaming like crazy.
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Speaker 16: So the safest way for him to challenge the champion
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Speaker 16: and to say I want to have a go to you.
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Speaker 16: I'll go ten rounds with you was to literally throw
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Speaker 16: his hat into the ring, because that way his challenge
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Speaker 16: was heard, even though the crowd was very noisy.
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Speaker 2: That's another one I can tell you about. I was
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Speaker 2: at the birds Will races one time and I saw
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Speaker 2: one of those boxing troops I think their band. This
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Speaker 2: is probably about twenty five years ago. My god, that
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Speaker 2: was an eye opener. Hey, disinterested and uninterested. A lot
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Speaker 2: of people want to know the difference between the two
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Speaker 2: and is one right and one wrong?
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Speaker 16: Okay, I'm not going to try and do it in
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Speaker 16: thirty seconds because I've got some really good advice on this.
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Speaker 16: Can I start off with this next week?
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Speaker 2: Beat?
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Speaker 16: Do I have your permission to do that?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely?
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Speaker 4: Do.
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Speaker 2: You're the boss of this segment. I'm just the follower here.
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Speaker 2: Very good col will do that? Tell people where please
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Speaker 2: they can go to lodge some more words for us
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Speaker 2: for next week?
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Speaker 16: Okay. The website is ozwords ozwords dot com dot au.
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Speaker 16: There's a contact page.
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Speaker 10: Go to that.
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Speaker 16: Type in your question and i'll reply how.
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Speaker 2: Good is he? He's amazing. I've had doo good ones tonight,
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Speaker 2: work all are good. But I love Ross and I
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Speaker 2: love my friend Cal. All Right, that's it for me.
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Speaker 2: I'll see you tomorrow night. Up next is the Volt
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Speaker 2: Report