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Sharri | 23 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Good evening.
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Speaker 2: Thanks, James.
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Speaker 1: Massive show tonight. Trump slaps down Albanese's AI plan. The
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Speaker 1: neo-Nazi at the centre of the casino drink with Barnaby
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Speaker 1: Joyce speaks out. I'll get Matt Canavan's view on this
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Speaker 1: saga too. The world-famous Hillel Neuer will be on the
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Speaker 1: show to speak about the corrupt United Nations. And the
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Speaker 1: son of TV legend Don Lane will be here, PJ Lane,
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Speaker 1: about why his latest project brings him closer to his dad.
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Speaker 1: But first, President Donald Trump has smashed Albanese's tech agenda
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Speaker 1: in a speech at the United Nations that also criticised
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Speaker 1: the broken and biased institution itself. Trump blasted the United
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Speaker 1: Nations for being bureaucratic and ideological, for running the agenda
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Speaker 1: of globalist bureaucrats, and he rightly attacked the UN Human
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Speaker 1: Rights Council for disproportionately criticising the United States while ignoring
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Speaker 1: or paying insufficient attention to abuses by authoritarian regimes. Have
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Speaker 1: a listen. Here's President Trump.
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Speaker 3: It is deeply ironic that the United Nations has an
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Speaker 3: entire institution, the.
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Speaker 4: UNESCO group of people and countries devoted to protecting cultural heritage,
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Speaker 4: yet with their ceaseless promotion of mass migration, these globalists
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Speaker 4: are actively destroying the greatest cultures and most extraordinary heritage
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Speaker 4: in all of history.
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Speaker 3: There is no human right to illegal immigration. but there
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Speaker 3: is a right to remain a sovereign nation, and we
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Speaker 3: want to remain a sovereign nation, and so should you.
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Speaker 1: The President also criticised the International Criminal Court, calling it
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Speaker 1: a rogue institution, and isn't he right? It has long
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Speaker 1: targeted democracies rather than showing any teeth when it comes
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Speaker 1: to nations committing actual war crimes. Again, here's the President.
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Speaker 3: The United States is equally opposed to the out-of-control institution
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Speaker 3: known as the International Criminal Court. We will never allow U.S.
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Speaker 3: service members or anyone else to be investigated or given
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Speaker 3: show trials by an anti-American tribunal with no jurisdiction over us.
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Speaker 3: You're an evil group of people. I call on all
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Speaker 3: nations that are members of the ICC to officially resign
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Speaker 3: from this rogue institution immediately.
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Speaker 1: So good. And my guest a bit later in the show,
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Speaker 1: the world-famous Hillel Noyer, the executive director of UN Watch,
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Speaker 1: he'd agree, and I bet he'll go even harder on them,
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Speaker 1: no doubt. A large focus of Trump's speech at the
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Speaker 1: UN General Assembly was defending America's war against Iran. Now,
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Speaker 1: the president initially indicated it'd be a quick war. It
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Speaker 1: now doesn't seem to have an end in sight, with
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Speaker 1: Iran rejecting all peace deals or nuclear deals. Well, the
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Speaker 1: president said he was thinking about annihilating Iran.
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Speaker 3: Will a deal be made with Iran that lets them
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Speaker 3: rebuild and create a far greater country than it ever
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Speaker 3: was before? may be one of the greatest in the
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Speaker 3: Middle East or even the world? Or do I annihilate
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Speaker 3: the Islamic Republic and do it quickly, never giving them
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Speaker 3: a chance to kill and destroy people and countries again?
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Speaker 3: Do I drive them into hell with no chance of
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Speaker 3: survival and no hope of future greatness or generations?
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Speaker 1: But he said he believes Iran will make a deal
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Speaker 1: after the midterm elections. If they haven't made a deal now,
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Speaker 1: it's unclear why they would suddenly come to the table
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Speaker 1: after the midterms. As Trump issued threats against Iran, some
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Speaker 1: of its delegation walked out of the forum. Now, it
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Speaker 1: is possible that Trump will meet with the Iranian president,
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Speaker 1: with Secretary of State Marco Rubio telling Fox News this.
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Speaker 5: This is a businessman, OK? He's not a politician. He
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Speaker 5: was never a member of the Council of Foreign Relations.
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Speaker 5: I mean, he's a businessman who comes from the world
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Speaker 5: of practicality and common sense. And common sense tells you
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Speaker 5: there's no harm in engaging and talking to someone. So
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Speaker 5: I think the president is opening the meeting with him
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Speaker 5: or anybody.
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Speaker 1: Although there's no plan for Trump to meet with Albanese,
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Speaker 1: other than this small sideline selfie, which... It kind of
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Speaker 1: looks like it was forced on the president. He's plastered
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Speaker 1: a fake smile on his face. And Albanese trying to
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Speaker 1: be a world leaguer after their success with the under-16
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Speaker 1: ban of social media. He's now speaking about regulating AI,
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Speaker 1: artificial intelligence. But President Trump pretty strongly said he's opposed
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Speaker 1: to AI regulation, signalling that it'll be bigger than the
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Speaker 1: internet itself and the industrial revolution.
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Speaker 3: The United States also totally rejects any attempt to construct
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Speaker 3: a globalist scheme to control for the artificial intelligence being
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Speaker 3: spoken of so much now, here and after officially called
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Speaker 3: super intelligence, changing the name. in that the use of
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Speaker 3: the word artificial makes intelligence fake. It makes it sound fake,
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Speaker 3: and it is not fake. From this point forward, all
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Speaker 3: of United States documents, and hopefully the world's, will be
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Speaker 3: changed to use the much more accurate term, super, as
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Speaker 3: opposed to artificial.
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Speaker 1: But then the US embassy went even further than Trump
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Speaker 1: in a statement specifically targeting the Albanese government. Here's the
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Speaker 1: US embassy statement. If Australia compels platforms to aggressively filter
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Speaker 1: content in algorithmic feeds to satisfy a government mandate, the
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Speaker 1: US government would likely consider such a measure as facilitating censorship.
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Speaker 1: And you might remember I spoke with Michael Schellenberger on
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Speaker 1: the show last week about that. So that's Trump pretty
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Speaker 1: swiftly shutting down Albanese's entire agenda and his self-inflated ego
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Speaker 1: with it. Now, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will also
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Speaker 1: be at the United Nations General Assembly, and New York
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Speaker 1: Mayor Zoran Mamdani has again called for his arrest. But
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Speaker 1: Penny Wong seems to forget that she's the Foreign Minister
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Speaker 1: of Australia. Because unbelievably, she wouldn't clarify whether Australia would
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Speaker 1: welcome Netanyahu to our shore. Here's what she told The
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Speaker 1: Australian's journalist Greg Brown when he asked the question. She said,
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Speaker 1: I don't think he's seeking an invitation. No words of
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Speaker 1: welcome or support for a longstanding ally. And note that
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Speaker 1: Penny Wong doesn't speak about arresting Hamas leaders and But
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Speaker 1: yet she wouldn't rule out whether she'd arrest the Israeli leader.
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Speaker 1: She hasn't answered the question before. Now she's saying he
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Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily be welcome in Australia. She's not answering that question. Now,
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Speaker 1: keeping in mind, Netanyahu is the leader fighting terrorists that
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Speaker 1: slaughtered his innocent civilians, entire families, in their pyjamas, in
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Speaker 1: their beds, in their safe rooms. I mean, have you
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Speaker 1: ever seen a worse... and more morally corrupt government minister
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Speaker 1: than Penny Wong. It's truly extraordinary. And even after Bondi,
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Speaker 1: she still doesn't get it. As events right around the
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Speaker 1: world have shown, the constant demonising of Israel leads to
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Speaker 1: hatred against Zionists. And this, of course, leads to hatred
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Speaker 1: against Jews, violence against Jews. Penny Wong and the entire
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Speaker 1: Albanese government have a lot to answer for and it's
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Speaker 1: good to see President Trump putting them in their place. Well,
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Speaker 1: yesterday One Nation was linked to the Ku Klux Klan
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Speaker 1: and today they've been tied to neo-Nazis. A left-wing media
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Speaker 1: outlet reported today that they asked Barnaby Joyce about a
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Speaker 1: neo-Nazi encounter at a casino. His response shows how politics
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Speaker 1: and media work. Now, Barnaby Joyce denied that he deliberately
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Speaker 1: met with any neo-Nazis. Instead, he said he was having
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Speaker 1: a drink when a group approached him. Here's what he
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Speaker 1: told James Willis on 2GB Radio today.
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Speaker 6: Were you approached by senior and prominent members of the neo-Nazis?
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Speaker 7: Apparently I was, but I wasn't aware of it at
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Speaker 7: the time.
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Speaker 8: OK, so how were you not aware of it?
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Speaker 7: Because I don't ask for people's business cards.
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Speaker 2: So it wasn't a meeting?
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Speaker 7: I get approached all the time.
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Speaker 9: It wasn't an established meeting?
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Speaker 6: The allegation is that you arrived with them and left
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Speaker 6: with them at the casino?
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Speaker 7: That is completely and utterly incorrect.
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Speaker 3: That's wrong?
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Speaker 7: And absolutely I can verify that with the people I
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Speaker 7: was with. If I say that, it's a complete lie.
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Speaker 1: So Barnaby Joyce said he was having a beer or
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Speaker 1: a drink with this group of people who approached him,
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Speaker 1: but then he said he realised something wasn't right. because
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Speaker 1: they started speaking about Anglo-Saxon immigration.
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Speaker 7: There was a group that came up and it became
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Speaker 7: apparent to me after a while that I was feeling
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Speaker 7: awkward with them. I didn't know who they were. There
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Speaker 7: was something about Anglo-Saxon immigration and Pauline Hanson, they didn't
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Speaker 7: like her. And I just sort of like brought the
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Speaker 7: conversation to an end and then I went back and
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Speaker 7: talked to some tradies from the Central Coast. Later on
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Speaker 7: I find that they're neo-Nazis. Found out that there was
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Speaker 7: a bloke called Thomas Sewell, but I don't know who
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Speaker 7: Thomas Sewell was.
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Speaker 2: You didn't recognise him?
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Speaker 7: No, I don't follow the neo-Nazis. I think they're freaks.
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Speaker 1: Yep, so the story is Joyce had beers with the
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Speaker 1: neo-Nazis and didn't recognise Thomas Sewell. Now, it's not great,
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Speaker 1: but he says he didn't know who they were and
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Speaker 1: there's no reason not to believe him. And Joyce must
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Speaker 1: have realised something was up because he took this photograph. Now,
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Speaker 1: don't pay attention to the person in the foreground. You
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Speaker 1: can pay attention to the group in the far back,
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Speaker 1: if you can see it close enough. The group far
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Speaker 1: in the background that apparently the neo-Nazis, Barnaby Joyce, took
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Speaker 1: this photograph. Now, Thomas Sewell told the Sydney Morning Herald
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Speaker 1: this evening that he bumped into Joyce and the MP's
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Speaker 1: friend by happenstance while he and his group were having
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Speaker 1: a few drinks in Canberra to cool off after a
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Speaker 1: lengthy two-day hearing. Here's what Thomas Sewell says. This is
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Speaker 1: his version of events. We had a private conversation that
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Speaker 1: lasted approximately 30 minutes in which a number of subjects arose.
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Speaker 1: I can't divulge the details of a private conversation between
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Speaker 1: two men and respect that what was said to me
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Speaker 1: was not to be used as political opportunism or attention seeking,
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Speaker 1: hence I made no public brag about it. Now, if
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Speaker 1: he would have brought up his court case, presumably... Barnaby
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Speaker 1: Joyce would have known who he was. So we can
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Speaker 1: assume the court case wasn't spoken about. For more on
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Speaker 1: this now, let's bring in Nationals leader Matt Canavan. Matt,
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Speaker 1: great to see you. Just to start with, what's your
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Speaker 1: view on Barnaby Joyce's 30-minute meeting with the neo-Nazis?
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Speaker 10: Well, look, I'm happy to take Barnaby at his word
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Speaker 10: on this. And look, you know, we can't be responsible
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Speaker 10: for people who might turn up at a pub and
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Speaker 10: say g'day to you. you can't be guilt by association
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Speaker 10: for that. So, look, I have no more information apart
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Speaker 10: from that, apart from the fact that I do know
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Speaker 10: Barnaby and know him quite well and he's a mate
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Speaker 10: and there's no doubt in my mind or any connection
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Speaker 10: that he's somehow associated with groups like this. I know
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Speaker 10: him very, very well and that's not the Barnaby I know. So, look,
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Speaker 10: I don't think we should be giving these people undue
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Speaker 10: influence or status in our political debate. I mean, obviously,
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Speaker 10: they could come up to anybody and seek to tarnish
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Speaker 10: such a person. Look, I know Barnaby's been out there
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Speaker 10: talking a lot about us, though, the last day or
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Speaker 10: two and what discussions he's had with Coalition senior leaders.
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Speaker 10: Maybe that explains why he has thrown that out there
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Speaker 10: over the last 24 hours. There was a little bit
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Speaker 10: of a distraction.
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Speaker 1: But I don't think Barnaby's.
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Speaker 2: Associated with these people.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to get to those discussions in a minute.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Joyce says he didn't recognise Thomas Saw. I'm
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Speaker 1: just interested, would you have recognised him, Matt?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I have seen that bloke's picture.
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Speaker 10: I don't believe I've ever met him or been anywhere
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Speaker 10: near Thomas. But yeah, look, again, I'm happy to take part.
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Speaker 2: Of it, his word.
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Speaker 10: I'm not going to make accusations about even my political
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Speaker 10: opponents that I don't think are true. There's plenty of
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Speaker 10: things we can debate about without giving, as I say,
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Speaker 10: these sort of groups of people any undue notoriety.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with you there. And I'm As
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Speaker 1: I said, I'm also taking Barnaby at his word too,
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Speaker 1: because lots of people approach you in any circumstance as
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Speaker 1: a politician and, you know, you can't know their full background. Now,
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Speaker 1: just to get back into those claims that you referenced.
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Speaker 1: So Barnaby said that he's spoken to senior coalition figures
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Speaker 1: about doing a deal in minority government. Just a reminder,
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Speaker 1: here's what he said.
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Speaker 6: Of course, we're having conversations and everybody knows quite obviously
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Speaker 6: that there's no prospect in current polling that that the
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Speaker 6: Coalition can form government, nor can One Nation.
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Speaker 1: Now, some Liberals, Matt, have been quick to say this
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Speaker 1: never happened, to tone it down. Have a look.
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Speaker 9: I think they're a figment of Barnaby's imagination.
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that this is Barnaby clutching at straws.
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Speaker 11: No, and I gave no authority to anyone else to
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Speaker 11: have that conversation.
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Speaker 1: So, Matt, what's the truth here? Have One Nation and
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Speaker 1: the Coalition been in some sort of talks?
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Speaker 2: Well, no, no, we haven't.
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Speaker 10: And I've had zero discussions with Barnaby about any of this.
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Speaker 10: And as you've heard from Agus and others, they've denied that.
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Speaker 10: And look, I think I've been generous to Barnaby tonight
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Speaker 10: for other troubles he's found himself in. And perhaps he
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Speaker 10: could extend the same generosity that if people deny these things,
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Speaker 10: maybe we should just believe each other. And I don't
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Speaker 10: know why he's come out and said these things. As
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Speaker 10: I said, maybe it's a distraction. from some of these
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Speaker 10: broader issues, but he's not making a particular claim of
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Speaker 10: any individual, so I think it's a bit unfair to
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Speaker 10: start throwing around these sort of accusations. There's one other
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Speaker 10: thing in what Barnaby said that I think is important, though,
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Speaker 10: to focus on. I don't take as gospel some kind
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Speaker 10: of polling results about what's going to happen.
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Speaker 2: I fight for every vote every day.
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Speaker 10: And sure, we're not travelling all that well in the
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Speaker 10: polls right now, but guess what?
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Speaker 2: There's 18 months to the next election. And nothing is guaranteed.
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Speaker 10: And the fat lady is far from singing right now.
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Speaker 10: And so what I am focused on doing right now
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Speaker 10: is fighting for the Australian people. All of these other
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Speaker 10: discussions are a distraction. What we've got to get rid
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Speaker 10: of is this government. And that's what I'm focused on
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Speaker 10: doing by having policies that will show people that we'll
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Speaker 10: lower their taxes.
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Speaker 2: We'll scrap today. We announced we're going to scrap net zero.
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Speaker 10: We're going to introduce a bill to the parliament, which
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Speaker 10: will be titled the Scrap Net Zero Bill.
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Speaker 2: And lower your energy prices.
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Speaker 10: We'll have a sensible migration program that gets numbers down
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Speaker 10: and balances things again for the Australian people. That's what
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Speaker 10: I'm focused on, not discussions with other political parties.
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Speaker 1: Let's bring up the details of your energy policy, because
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Speaker 1: that is a big announcement. You guys have announced that today.
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Speaker 1: So you're saying you're going to scrap the safeguard mechanism,
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Speaker 1: vehicle efficiency standards, offshore wind zones... and even lift the
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Speaker 1: moratorium on nuclear power. I mean, Matt, you mentioned offshore
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Speaker 1: wind zones there, but what about the issue of rural
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Speaker 1: wind farms, which is destroying a lot of country property?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 10: Well, we'll be ending the support for those as well. Currently,
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Speaker 10: they're getting bankrolled by the taxpayer through the Capacity Investment Scheme,
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Speaker 10: and so that will be gone through this bill as well,
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Speaker 10: and pulling that support will hold a lot of those up.
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Speaker 10: We'll be changing one of the crucial things we'll be
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Speaker 10: doing is changing the way our energy grid is planned.
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Speaker 10: Today I've been with Ross Caddell in the Upper Hunter
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Speaker 10: region and we've been looking at a transmission line that
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Speaker 10: is destroying farms in this area. The only reason that's
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Speaker 10: getting built, despite its $ 20 billion bill, the only reason
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Speaker 10: it's getting built is because under the current planning rules
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Speaker 10: they must design a grid to deliver 82% renewables by 2030,
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Speaker 10: to deliver net zero by 2050. And so it's not
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Speaker 10: a grid to give you the lowest power prices. It's
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Speaker 10: a grid to meet the arbitrary targets that the Labor
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Speaker 10: Party and the Greens have teamed up to try and
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Speaker 10: force feed on the Australian people. What we'll be doing
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Speaker 10: is saying, no, we should plan our energy system with
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Speaker 10: one goal in mind, and that is to deliver you.
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Speaker 2: The lowest power prices possible.
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Speaker 10: And when that is the goal and that is the objective,
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Speaker 10: we won't be wasting billions of dollars on all of
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Speaker 10: these transmission lines. We won't be tearing up thousands and
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Speaker 10: millions of hectares of farmland to do it. what we
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Speaker 10: will be doing is running our coal-fired power stations more,
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Speaker 10: be more, use our energy resources more, building nuclear power
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Speaker 10: stations for the first time, because that greater energy supply
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Speaker 10: with a more efficient grid will deliver you a lower
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Speaker 10: power price.
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Speaker 1: Matt, I'm keen to get your thoughts on this AI debate,
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Speaker 1: the difference of opinion between President Trump and Anthony Albanese.
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Speaker 1: Do you agree with Trump that safeguards shouldn't be put
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Speaker 1: in place that you know super intelligence uh that but
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Speaker 1: that effectively it is a race with china.
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Speaker 10: Look uh no i i don't i think we do
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Speaker 10: need to take sensible precautions here uh i i'm not
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Speaker 10: not neither an ai booster or a complete ai skeptic
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Speaker 10: i think there'll be good things that come from artificial
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Speaker 10: intelligence like all technologies but there'll probably be downsides uh
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Speaker 10: as well uh that we need to be very careful
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Speaker 10: uh about so Look, I think sensible safeguards are something
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Speaker 10: we can work with and be constructive.
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Speaker 2: With the government on.
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Speaker 1: I certainly think around the rollout of data.
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Speaker 2: Centres in our country, we need.
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Speaker 1: Has Albanese put forward sensible safeguards or do you think
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Speaker 1: his plan goes too far?
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Speaker 10: Well, we haven't seen detailed legislation or policy yet from
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Speaker 10: the government. They've been a bit late to the party
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Speaker 10: on this in the first term of this government. They
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Speaker 10: rejected Ed Husic's idea to do this. They had a minister,
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Speaker 10: an industry minister at the time, that wanted to do
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Speaker 10: some regulation of AI, and the government rejected that approach completely,
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Speaker 10: so much so that he got sacked from their ministry. Now,
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Speaker 10: I think what seems to have happened is the Prime
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Speaker 10: Minister's read the papal encyclical and decided a new approach
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Speaker 10: should occur. So, look, we're happy to be sensible and constructive.
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Speaker 10: I mean, the reality on this debate, though, or whether
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Speaker 10: rubber hits the road in our country... is the regulation
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Speaker 10: of data centres. We are not, as a smaller country ourselves,
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Speaker 10: going to influence completely the development of large language learning models.
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Speaker 10: But we do have this issue now of these data
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Speaker 10: centres coming along, and some of these data centres need
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Speaker 10: more power than even a whole coal-fired power station currently provides.
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Speaker 10: And how are we going to plan for that? How
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Speaker 10: are we going to deliver that without putting extra pressure
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Speaker 10: on what are already some of the highest power prices
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Speaker 10: in the world? And the current Labor Party approach of
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Speaker 10: not using our uranium, not using our coal, only obsessing
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Speaker 10: with renewable energy is not going to cut it.
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Speaker 2: It's going to make things a lot, lot worse.
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Speaker 10: So our whole approach here to energy, having more energy
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Speaker 10: and lower taxes, is even more important in the context
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Speaker 10: of data centres coming down the track. and the opportunities
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Speaker 10: that will arise from artificial intelligence.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. Really good point about the energy use from
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Speaker 1: data centres. Matt Canavan, great to have you on the
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Speaker 1: show as always. Thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 1: Nationals leader there. Well, last night on the show, I
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Speaker 1: exclusively reported that the University of Sydney is allowing, is
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Speaker 1: still allowing, even after my report last night, is allowing
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Speaker 1: a student group to run under the banner Globalise the Intifada.
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Speaker 1: They're running for the SRC elections that are this week. Now,
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Speaker 1: if you were watching the show last night, you would
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Speaker 1: have seen I put questions to the University of Sydney Vice-Chancellor,
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Speaker 1: Mark Scott, who basically said this was lawful political expression. Yes,
20:29
Speaker 1: he was worried about the psychosocial impact on people, but
20:33
Speaker 1: ultimately he said this was lawful political expression. Well, former
20:36
Speaker 1: Treasurer Josh Frydenberg came out today on social media. He
20:40
Speaker 1: put a statement on X and he implored the Prime
20:43
Speaker 1: Minister to intervene. He said it is completely unacceptable for
20:47
Speaker 1: the University of Sydney to allow a student political group
20:51
Speaker 1: to run for council elections. under the banner Globalise the Intifada.
20:56
Speaker 1: This is Josh Frydenberg. He says in the face of
20:58
Speaker 1: this explicit call for violence on Australian soil, our Prime
21:01
Speaker 1: Minister cannot remain on the sidelines. And Josh referenced the
21:06
Speaker 1: attack at Bondi. Now, I know for a fact Prime
21:11
Speaker 1: Minister Albanese has been told about this matter, expressed sympathy,
21:17
Speaker 1: but it doesn't appear as though he's actually done anything. Now,
21:21
Speaker 1: as I said on the show last night, we've seen
21:22
Speaker 1: the reality of globalising the intifada. It's innocent people. It's
21:27
Speaker 1: a 10-year-old ending up killed at Bondi. To discuss, let's
21:32
Speaker 1: bring in now former Victorian Liberal Party President Michael Kroger
21:35
Speaker 1: and News24 host Joe Hildebrand.
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Speaker 11: Good evening.
21:38
Speaker 1: Great to see you, Michael. This is not a free
21:41
Speaker 1: speech issue. The University of Sydney hasn't put a stop
21:44
Speaker 1: to this. This is a serious safety issue.
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Speaker 11: Of course it is.
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Speaker 2: Of course it is. It's an incitement.
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Speaker 12: Under Mark Scott's definition of free expression, Nazis could come
21:57
Speaker 12: on to the Sydney University and set up a club
21:59
Speaker 12: called Heil Hitler. That's part of free expression too, according
22:04
Speaker 12: to Mark Scott. Globalising the Intifada means one thing only.
22:07
Speaker 12: It means a reference to the second Intifada in its
22:10
Speaker 12: modern usage where Jews were indiscriminately slaughtered on buses, in
22:15
Speaker 12: the streets and in restaurants and cafes. in Israel 20-odd
22:19
Speaker 12: years ago. That's what the word indefatig means today. I mean,
22:22
Speaker 12: the word Holocaust has one meaning today. It was very
22:25
Speaker 12: different thousands of years ago. So everyone knows what globalise
22:29
Speaker 12: the indefatig means. It means globalise the campaign to indiscriminately
22:33
Speaker 12: kill innocent Jews. That's what it means. And for Mark
22:36
Speaker 12: Scott to allow this to happen is an utter disgrace.
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Speaker 12: I simply say two things. First of all, where are
22:42
Speaker 12: the other 14 members of the Sydney University Board, the Senate?
22:46
Speaker 12: Has not one of those esteemed people thought, I can't
22:49
Speaker 12: put my name to this, I'm going to resign, I
22:52
Speaker 12: can't be the member of the governing board of Sydney
22:54
Speaker 12: University and let this continue? Have any of those people
22:58
Speaker 12: thought about resigning? None have yet. Surely there's got to
23:01
Speaker 12: be resignations. And secondly, ALBA may not do anything, Shari,
23:06
Speaker 12: but Sydney University is set up under the Sydney University Act,
23:11
Speaker 12: which is an act of the New South Wales Parliament.
23:14
Speaker 12: The jurisdiction over Sydney University ultimately rests with Chris Minns.
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Speaker 1: And by the way, Mark Scott had a meeting today
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Speaker 1: over Zoom with a whole lot of Jewish leaders and
23:26
Speaker 1: Jewish students as well. But Joe, the bottom line was
23:29
Speaker 1: he wasn't doing anything about it. This weakness is really
23:34
Speaker 1: hard to understand after the Royal Commission.
23:36
Speaker 9: Yeah, it is. I mean, I think what happens is,
23:39
Speaker 9: and again, I like Mark Scott. He's very intelligent. I'm
23:41
Speaker 9: surprised he's... Joe, I feel like I have.
23:42
Speaker 1: To say this every time.
23:43
Speaker 9: I'm surprised he's... You like everyone.
23:45
Speaker 1: I don't know why you like Mark Scott.
23:46
Speaker 9: I'm surprised he's made this.
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Speaker 2: He's former ABC.
23:48
Speaker 1: He hasn't done anything here.
23:49
Speaker 9: I'm surprised he's... That's why I'm surprised that he has
23:51
Speaker 9: made this decision.
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Speaker 2: I agree.
23:53
Speaker 9: I think it is incitement to violence, which is where
23:55
Speaker 9: free speech always finds its limit. You cannot shout fire
23:59
Speaker 9: in a crowded theatre and you cannot say, hey, kill
24:01
Speaker 9: that person over there.
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Speaker 2: I'm just.
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Speaker 9: You know, I'm just expressing free speech. And the nature
24:07
Speaker 9: of Globalise the Intifada, Intifada is the deadly uprising that
24:11
Speaker 9: was campaigned in Israel against Jews a couple of decades ago.
24:16
Speaker 9: I remember reporting on it at the time. The difference
24:21
Speaker 9: is when you're saying Globalise the Intifada and what makes
24:23
Speaker 9: it even worse is Israel isn't everywhere.
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Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
24:27
Speaker 9: So if you're globalising the Intifada, what you are actually
24:29
Speaker 9: calling for, explicitly or not, is for people to attack Jews. Otherwise,
24:35
Speaker 9: how do you globalise it? So I think and I
24:39
Speaker 9: know that there have been very serious debates and very
24:42
Speaker 9: serious questions about whether it will be banned or cancelled.
24:45
Speaker 9: classified as hate speech under possible laws, maybe under the
24:49
Speaker 9: recommendations of the Royal Commission. So the explanation for what
24:55
Speaker 9: you asked is that I think often you can deceive,
25:01
Speaker 9: you can mistake the loudest and angriest and most coordinated
25:06
Speaker 9: voices for for the actual, A, the majority, but also, B,
25:11
Speaker 9: what is right and what is true. And I think
25:13
Speaker 9: when you do have such a vicious and vocal and
25:17
Speaker 9: extreme pro-Palestinian student activist base at the university screaming at you,
25:23
Speaker 9: it's very easy to be kowtowed.
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Speaker 1: I want to move on to other topics. I just
25:28
Speaker 1: quickly want to say about this. I think it's outrageous.
25:30
Speaker 1: You know, in Mark Scott's statement, he spoke about contested expression,
25:35
Speaker 1: you know, used the word contested. You know, no, you
25:38
Speaker 1: don't get to say that globalisation doesn't mean what the
25:41
Speaker 1: common person think it means. Or, you know, the radical
25:44
Speaker 1: Islamic extremists also say, oh, no, jihad doesn't mean that.
25:47
Speaker 1: It means something else. No, you can't redefine it so
25:51
Speaker 1: that you can use the expression. We know what it means.
25:55
Speaker 9: It means what happened in Bondi.
25:56
Speaker 1: It means what happened in Bondi, exactly.
25:57
Speaker 2: It is.
25:58
Speaker 12: It's disgusting.
25:59
Speaker 1: It really is. All right, let's move on. The New
26:02
Speaker 1: South Wales Labor Premier, Chris Minns, is taking on the
26:05
Speaker 1: Albanese government over its plan to sell off Victoria Barracks
26:09
Speaker 1: in Sydney. This is one of many defence sites around
26:13
Speaker 1: the country that the Albanese government is selling to make
26:16
Speaker 1: a quick buck. Now, Min says, this is front page
26:19
Speaker 1: of The Telegraph today, as the spiritual home of the
26:22
Speaker 1: Australian Army, Victoria Barracks has been a place of service
26:25
Speaker 1: and sacrifice for generations of men and women who've served
26:29
Speaker 1: our country. I understand that the Heritage Council is currently
26:32
Speaker 1: doing the heritage reports to consider a listing. I'm of
26:36
Speaker 1: the view this listing is imperative to protect the history
26:39
Speaker 1: and heritage of the site. Michael, this needs to be done.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
26:45
Speaker 12: I mean, what an extraordinary, what a magnificent building. It's
26:48
Speaker 12: part of Australian history. It's part of Sydney's history. People
26:52
Speaker 12: go to Sydney to look at these magnificent buildings. Good
26:56
Speaker 12: on him for taking this action. Albanese because they've overspent
26:59
Speaker 12: the budget so dramatically need to scrounge money from somewhere.
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Speaker 11: And what is he doing?
27:04
Speaker 12: Selling off these incredible sites, these magnificent historic mansions. in
27:10
Speaker 12: order to find some cash for the budget.
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Speaker 2: For what purpose?
27:13
Speaker 12: What, it's going to be developed into units or flats
27:16
Speaker 12: or something, is it? I mean, what a preposterous idea
27:19
Speaker 12: Albanese is. I mean, what a villain he is for
27:23
Speaker 12: trying to, you know, Philistine, for trying to sell off
27:27
Speaker 12: a building like this and we'll all live with the consequences.
27:32
Speaker 12: I mean, these buildings are disappearing all over Australia one
27:35
Speaker 12: by one in leafy suburbs, in cities. They're part of
27:38
Speaker 12: our cultural heritage and they're absolutely magnificent and it should
27:41
Speaker 12: be protected at all costs. And good on Mins for
27:44
Speaker 12: doing that. And by the way, when he's done that,
27:46
Speaker 12: perhaps you can move on to our other issue we just.
27:48
Speaker 2: Talked about, Shari.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. And James Patterson, actually, Joe, had started a petition
27:53
Speaker 1: about this. So he really put this on the national agenda.
27:55
Speaker 9: Yeah, I must admit, though, it was when Labor MP,
27:58
Speaker 9: who's a friend of mine, Greg Warren, who is a
28:00
Speaker 9: former serviceman himself, I just noticed he was, when this
28:05
Speaker 9: was first mooted months and months ago, he said, no,
28:08
Speaker 9: this is a terrible idea. And as soon as he
28:10
Speaker 9: said that, I thought, right, this is a disaster for
28:13
Speaker 9: the federal government. I need to hold on to it. Obviously,
28:16
Speaker 9: I've expressed those views, but.
28:19
Speaker 9: But I think there's a misunderstanding. I understand where the
28:23
Speaker 9: PM and the Defence Minister are coming from in that
28:25
Speaker 9: they say, look, we need to be a modern army.
28:27
Speaker 9: We need to make sure that we are spending every
28:29
Speaker 9: dollar on weapons and things that can defend Australia's national
28:33
Speaker 9: interest and protect our nation. And while there might be
28:37
Speaker 9: a sentimental attachment to Victoria Barracks, it is not necessarily
28:40
Speaker 9: the 21st century institution we need and we can have
28:44
Speaker 9: that and have more money by selling off this highly...
28:48
Speaker 9: you know, highly prized real estate. What I think that
28:51
Speaker 9: fails to understand is the incredible emotional attachment, and rightly so,
28:57
Speaker 9: I think, that so many people have to it.
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Speaker 2: I've been there.
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Speaker 1: It's also just, you know, all the defence sites, they're
29:03
Speaker 1: planning to sell them off around the country. I mean,
29:05
Speaker 1: it made a billion or two. It's just nothing in
29:08
Speaker 1: the scheme of the budget. But I just want to
29:10
Speaker 1: get both of your view very quickly on the economy
29:12
Speaker 1: before we have to go to the break. The banks
29:15
Speaker 1: and most economists are expecting rates to rise again at
29:18
Speaker 1: next week's RBA board meeting. And Michael, the RBA governor
29:22
Speaker 1: has said nothing to signal that this won't be the case.
29:25
Speaker 1: So at this point, we can expect yet another rise.
29:29
Speaker 12: No, they're going to rise by a quarter of a
29:32
Speaker 12: percent next week, which will be a disaster for Australian households,
29:36
Speaker 12: a disaster for the Australian economy. This is what happens
29:39
Speaker 12: when you... you spend like a drunken sailor, as Jim
29:42
Speaker 12: Chalmers has done since he became Treasurer, unable to withhold
29:46
Speaker 12: the demands on him. You put billions of government dollars
29:50
Speaker 12: out into the economy. Ultimately, it's inflationary, and this is
29:53
Speaker 12: what happens. And The economic walls are closing in on
29:58
Speaker 12: Albanese and Chalmers very quickly and things in this country
30:00
Speaker 12: are about to get worse if the property industry disaster
30:03
Speaker 12: isn't bad enough, Shari.
30:05
Speaker 1: No, that's true, Joe.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think Jim Chalmers should probably take Robert Gottliebsen's advice,
30:11
Speaker 9: freeze all the measures that haven't already been enacted. It's
30:15
Speaker 9: too late for negative gearing, but the CGT changes. I
30:18
Speaker 9: think freeze those, wait till you see what the economy
30:21
Speaker 9: is actually doing. If the RBA doesn't raise rates next week,
30:24
Speaker 9: it certainly will in November, and that will probably be
30:27
Speaker 9: one of three. And the government can't just pretend it's
30:31
Speaker 9: a passenger plane. on the train that it's actually driving.
30:34
Speaker 9: If the treasurer can't do anything about the economy, what's the.
30:37
Speaker 2: Point of him?
30:38
Speaker 9: What's the point of having a treasurer if everything is
30:40
Speaker 9: just somebody else's fault? So I would say freeze those
30:44
Speaker 9: contentious messages, wait to see what the economy does, if
30:47
Speaker 9: it can stabilise. And for the love of God, rein
30:51
Speaker 9: in the spending.
30:52
Speaker 1: Strong words from you, Joe, considering what's the point in
30:54
Speaker 1: having a Treasury, you're saying. I'm severely surprised to hear that.
30:57
Speaker 9: Well, I think the government, I've written about it, the
30:59
Speaker 9: government needs to take responsibility for its policies.
31:01
Speaker 1: Exactly. All right, Michael Kroger, Joe Hildebrand, great to see
31:04
Speaker 1: you both.
31:04
Speaker 11: Thanks, Michael.
31:05
Speaker 1: Still to come, Don Lane's son PJ will be here.
31:08
Speaker 1: He reveals his latest project, you'll be surprised, and Hillel
31:13
Speaker 1: Noyer on why President Trump was right to get stuck
31:17
Speaker 1: into the United Nations. All of that after this quick break.
31:24
Speaker 1: Welcome back. Well, I mentioned earlier that President Trump rightly
31:27
Speaker 1: didn't hold any punches when he gave a wide-ranging speech
31:31
Speaker 1: at the UN General Assembly, and he called out the
31:34
Speaker 1: UN Human Rights Council for attacking the US while ignoring
31:37
Speaker 1: totalitarian governments. And as if to prove Trump's point, here
31:41
Speaker 1: was United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres with lies about Israel's
31:47
Speaker 1: actions in Gaza.
31:49
Speaker 2: It is nearly three years.
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Speaker 8: since the abhorrent terror attacks by Hamas on 7 October.
31:56
Speaker 8: But what followed was an onslaught on Palestinians in Gaza
32:01
Speaker 8: with a scale of killing and destruction and like anything
32:05
Speaker 8: I've witnessed in my years as Secretary-General.
32:09
Speaker 1: Nothing he's ever witnessed before. Well, as United Nations Watch
32:12
Speaker 1: Executive Director Hillel Noyer says, he appeases tyrants and terrorists.
32:18
Speaker 1: And he says that Antonio, you know, that Hillel has
32:21
Speaker 1: never witnessed another secretary general legitimize the lies, propaganda and
32:25
Speaker 1: anti-Semitism on this scale. And Hillel joins us now. Welcome
32:30
Speaker 1: to the show again. So you say that the United
32:34
Speaker 1: Nations secretary general has disgraced the office.
32:39
Speaker 13: That's true. Look, he just spoke the other day to
32:42
Speaker 13: say that he's never witnessed a anything on a greater scale.
32:47
Speaker 13: If he hasn't witnessed this, it's because he apparently isn't looking.
32:52
Speaker 13: In the past 10 years that he's been secretary general,
32:54
Speaker 13: there have been hundreds of thousands of people killed in Sudan,
33:00
Speaker 13: in Syria, in Yemen, in Ethiopia, in Ukraine. He's not
33:06
Speaker 13: looking and he's not speaking out. So just if you
33:09
Speaker 13: just look at numbers, way more numbers in the places
33:12
Speaker 13: that I just mentioned. So what he's saying is out
33:13
Speaker 13: and out false. And the other piece, which is perhaps
33:16
Speaker 13: most significant, is that who's at fault? Putin invaded Ukraine
33:20
Speaker 13: and he's killing innocent people there. When you speak about
33:23
Speaker 13: what happened in Israel on October 7th, Hamas invaded Israel.
33:27
Speaker 13: They massacred some 1,200 people. That was the equivalent for
33:32
Speaker 13: little Israel, which is barely 10 million people. That's the
33:34
Speaker 13: equivalent of 12 times proportionally, 12 times 9-11 in terms
33:39
Speaker 13: of the impact on Israel. And of course, Israel went
33:43
Speaker 13: to war against Hamas. Hamas embedded themselves under homes, hospitals
33:47
Speaker 13: and schools. Tens of thousands of terrorists were killed, also
33:50
Speaker 13: innocent civilians. All of the deaths are on Hamas. Guterres
33:55
Speaker 13: said none of this. He's been an apologist for terrorists
33:58
Speaker 13: and tyrants. Instead of him calling out Xi Jinping, oppressing
34:03
Speaker 13: the human rights of 1.5 billion people, instead of calling
34:06
Speaker 13: out Vladimir Putin, he'll rail against the climate at most
34:11
Speaker 13: or against Israel.
34:13
Speaker 1: Look, given... He's a discredited figure, but so many of
34:16
Speaker 1: the United Nations bodies are discredited as well. I mean,
34:20
Speaker 1: do you think they're beyond repair? How can they be fixed?
34:25
Speaker 13: Well, look, the reality is the UN is not going away,
34:28
Speaker 13: whatever we might know and think about it. Even President
34:31
Speaker 13: Trump's administration, which is critical and sceptical, are not calling
34:36
Speaker 13: for the elimination of the UN. The United States has
34:39
Speaker 13: to deal with international disasters and crises and refugees, doesn't
34:43
Speaker 13: want to turn a blind eye. And the international community
34:45
Speaker 13: comes together through UN bodies like the UN Refugee Agency
34:49
Speaker 13: that are deeply flawed, but that's how the world handles
34:52
Speaker 13: certain humanitarian issues. However, Shari, it is true that too
34:56
Speaker 13: many UN bodies are completely corrupted. The Human Rights Council
35:00
Speaker 13: is one of them. President Trump talked about it. You know,
35:03
Speaker 13: there's an expert from Australia, named Ben Saul. He's a
35:08
Speaker 13: professor at Sydney. He received $ 150, 000 for his office from China,
35:13
Speaker 13: a country that he's completely ignored in his mandate on counterterrorism.
35:17
Speaker 13: They put a million Muslim Uyghurs in camps. He hasn't
35:19
Speaker 13: said a word about it. Instead, he rails against America
35:22
Speaker 13: and Israel. So, you know, you have human rights officials
35:24
Speaker 13: taking money from China, Russia, and Qatar for their office.
35:28
Speaker 13: If you take money from the worst dictatorships, how can
35:31
Speaker 13: you call yourself a human rights authority? It's absurd.
35:33
Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.
35:34
Speaker 1: I just want to ask you about Canada. I mean,
35:36
Speaker 1: it just had a shooting of a synagogue on Yom Kippur,
35:39
Speaker 1: the holiest day in the Jewish calendar. Yet Mark Carney
35:43
Speaker 1: campaigns against Israel on the international stage.
35:47
Speaker 3: Yes.
35:48
Speaker 13: You know, Prime Minister Carney has double talk. On the
35:51
Speaker 13: one hand, he says that he cares about anti-Semitism, yet
35:54
Speaker 13: his actions show the opposite. when he singles out Israel repeatedly,
35:58
Speaker 13: and he does. His government, he went to shake hands
36:01
Speaker 13: with the Chinese dictator, shake hands with the Qatari dictator.
36:04
Speaker 13: They welcomed the Turkish foreign minister. They won't say a word.
36:07
Speaker 13: Other countries tried to issue a statement calling out Turkey's
36:10
Speaker 13: abuses against gays. Canada wouldn't say a word. So the
36:14
Speaker 13: general default is they appease the world's worst dictators and
36:18
Speaker 13: they condemn Israel nonstop. So criticizing Israel is legitimate, but
36:23
Speaker 13: if you demonize the Jewish state, You send a message.
36:26
Speaker 13: So no one is surprised that once again a synagogue
36:30
Speaker 13: was attacked. They shot an innocent constable. And Prime Minister Carney,
36:34
Speaker 13: his response the day later is to announce $ 100 million
36:37
Speaker 13: for the Palestinians. Where's that money going to go? It's
36:40
Speaker 13: either going to go to Hamas or it's going to
36:41
Speaker 13: go to Holocaust denier Mahmoud Abbas.
36:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty appalling. Just very quickly before you go,
36:47
Speaker 1: I mean, you say Antonio Guterres is the worst UN Secretary-General.
36:51
Speaker 1: I'd say Penny Wong is Australia's worst ever foreign minister.
36:54
Speaker 1: I mean, she's similar to Mark Carney in her position.
36:58
Speaker 1: What do you make of our government's stance on the
37:01
Speaker 1: Middle East?
37:03
Speaker 13: Well, you know, Penny Wong said that a year ago
37:06
Speaker 13: she recognised as Palestine and a year later the conditions
37:11
Speaker 13: that they claimed were promised... haven't been met at all.
37:14
Speaker 13: There's no action against terrorism. On the contrary, the US
37:18
Speaker 13: has shown they continue to pay to slay. And they
37:22
Speaker 13: recognized a fictitious sovereignty just as a way of courting
37:27
Speaker 13: Islamist votes. And that's what we see, what unites Carney,
37:30
Speaker 13: Burnham in the UK, Wong and her government in Australia,
37:34
Speaker 13: is that these are governments in the Anglo sphere that
37:37
Speaker 13: are now reliant in many cases on far-left Islamist votes,
37:42
Speaker 13: and it seems that they're willing to sacrifice the Jews.
37:45
Speaker 13: It's a very scary time for the English-speaking world.
37:48
Speaker 1: I completely agree. It really is. Hilal Noy, I really
37:51
Speaker 1: appreciate your time and can only praise you for your
37:54
Speaker 1: incredible work. Thank you so much.
37:57
Speaker 13: Thank you, Sherry.
37:59
Speaker 1: Still to come, Don Lane's son, PJ, is here next
38:02
Speaker 1: to talk about why his latest project is close to
38:05
Speaker 1: his heart. That's after the break. Thanks for joining. Well,
38:11
Speaker 1: you all remember Don Lane, a beloved figure of Australian
38:15
Speaker 1: television's Golden Age. As host of The Don Lane Show,
38:19
Speaker 1: he was one of Australia's biggest TV stars, larger-than-life showman
38:22
Speaker 1: and institution in the 70s and early 80s. He passed
38:26
Speaker 1: away in 2009. Well, now Don's son, PJ, has followed
38:32
Speaker 1: in his footsteps as an actor and an entertainer, and
38:34
Speaker 1: he joins me in studio now. Great to see you, PJ.
38:37
Speaker 1: Thanks for being here.
38:38
Speaker 11: No, Shari, it's an honour. Thank you for having me.
38:41
Speaker 1: Now, we've kept this very quiet.
38:43
Speaker 2: We have.
38:43
Speaker 1: Tell us about your latest project.
38:46
Speaker 11: Oh, look, it's an absolute privilege, my latest project, because
38:49
Speaker 11: I've been asked to be the narrator of your Bondi
38:53
Speaker 11: Terror book.
38:54
Speaker 1: And you've done it.
38:55
Speaker 11: I have done it. We've completed it. It's now on Audible.
38:59
Speaker 11: And it was... I suppose I was very privileged to
39:02
Speaker 11: be one of the first to read the book.
39:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you were the first, actually, to read it.
39:06
Speaker 7: Now.
39:07
Speaker 1: I mean, you were really immersed in it. You know,
39:10
Speaker 1: it took several sessions. People probably don't know this, but
39:13
Speaker 1: when you narrate a book, and it is quite a
39:15
Speaker 1: long book, I mean, it takes a lot of sessions.
39:18
Speaker 1: It's very heavy going. Tell us about the parts that
39:21
Speaker 1: moved you the most.
39:23
Speaker 11: Well, you're right. When you're reading the book, you're reading
39:26
Speaker 11: this out loud and hearing this information for the first time.
39:30
Speaker 11: So it's quite easy to get swept away with emotion
39:32
Speaker 11: when you're doing that. But the parts of a book
39:34
Speaker 11: that affect, I suppose, everyone the most, not just me
39:37
Speaker 11: while I was reading it, was the detail it goes
39:40
Speaker 11: into about the massacre, what happens to the victims and
39:44
Speaker 11: also who was the heroes of the day. I mean,
39:47
Speaker 11: that was a huge part. but also, I mean, how
39:51
Speaker 11: thorough the work was for you at the end of
39:54
Speaker 11: the book looking into, I suppose, when we talk about
39:58
Speaker 11: governments and agencies and responsibility for this.
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Speaker 1: Now, this is close to you, PJ, close to your heart, because,
40:05
Speaker 1: I mean, people might not realise it, but your dad
40:08
Speaker 1: was Jewish.
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Speaker 11: Of course. He was really involved in the Jewish community.
40:12
Speaker 11: Not only that, this is a community I grew up in.
40:15
Speaker 11: I was very much a part of this community, but
40:17
Speaker 11: also I... was able to work at a school in
40:21
Speaker 11: this community for 10 years. And I was very, very
40:24
Speaker 11: immersed in this. And I got to see, I suppose,
40:27
Speaker 11: this kind of stuff weekly.
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Speaker 1: You mean the security guards?
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Speaker 11: Security guards with an incident, someone yelling out, harassment, someone
40:36
Speaker 11: calling out to a kid. It was weekly when I
40:38
Speaker 11: was working at that school. And I suppose I got
40:41
Speaker 11: to live in real time, which is why the massacre
40:43
Speaker 11: affected me so much and why it was such an
40:46
Speaker 11: honor to be able to I suppose, give back in
40:48
Speaker 11: a way and be the reader of your book.
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Speaker 1: We were so honoured to have you do it. Now,
40:54
Speaker 1: it's 70 years of Australian television, I suppose, and TV
40:59
Speaker 1: Week did a poll of the top 70 TV shows
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Speaker 1: voted by the public and, of course, your dad's TV program,
41:05
Speaker 1: The Don Lane Show, made it onto the list. I mean,
41:09
Speaker 1: it's no wonder when you look back and you see
41:10
Speaker 1: moments like this. Might just have a look at another
41:37
Speaker 1: one as well. Have a look at this.
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Speaker 14: They told me that there's gonna be some surprises, but
41:42
Speaker 14: I think even they got surprised upstairs. This guy for some,
41:46
Speaker 14: I have never met him in my whole life. I
41:48
Speaker 14: have never met him and I had no idea that
41:50
Speaker 14: he was even gonna be available.
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Speaker 9: To come in here.
41:53
Speaker 14: I only read about him. I don't even know what
41:55
Speaker 14: to say to him when he goes out, but I'm
41:56
Speaker 14: so excited.
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Speaker 11: Ladies and gentlemen, Mr.
41:58
Speaker 7: David Bowie.
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Speaker 1: Oh, you're smiling away.
42:11
Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 11: So, David Bowie was a big fan of the show
42:14
Speaker 11: and he was eating dinner around the corner and just figured,
42:17
Speaker 11: I'm going to drop in by Channel 9 and I'm
42:18
Speaker 11: going to be a guest on the show. Sammy Davis
42:20
Speaker 11: and Dad were good friends. They met in Vegas in
42:22
Speaker 11: the old mafia-run Vegas and that was Sammy coming from
42:27
Speaker 11: his gig in a police car and they kept the
42:29
Speaker 11: show rolling for two hours live on air waiting for
42:31
Speaker 11: him to come to the show. It's pretty... Pretty awesome
42:35
Speaker 11: time in Australian television, but so it should be in
42:37
Speaker 11: the top 70 TV shows.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it should be right up there, right up there.
42:42
Speaker 1: And looking back at those clips, I mean, the Australian
42:45
Speaker 1: public felt like they knew your dad so well. Was
42:48
Speaker 1: he a bit quieter at home or was he the
42:50
Speaker 1: same showman all the time?
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Speaker 11: I always say he was the exact same Don Lane
42:54
Speaker 11: on screen as he was off screen, just with a
42:57
Speaker 11: few more swear words off screen, right? So everyone who
43:00
Speaker 11: met him got the real Don Lane. I think that's
43:02
Speaker 11: one of the... Amazing parts of what I'm doing now
43:05
Speaker 11: is that everyone has a story, an individual interaction they
43:08
Speaker 11: had with him on a flight, at a cafe, somewhere.
43:11
Speaker 11: I'm getting stories. I would say every day I'm getting
43:14
Speaker 11: a message about someone who has a story about him.
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Speaker 1: That's really special. What are some of the lessons that
43:19
Speaker 1: he's instilled in you that you carry through life with you?
43:24
Speaker 11: He was extremely passionate, and I think his passion was contagious.
43:28
Speaker 11: We saw that recently with the NFL in Melbourne. He
43:32
Speaker 11: started this. This was 35 years ago. Started this on
43:35
Speaker 11: the ABC. We did Super Bowl parties, flew him to
43:37
Speaker 11: the US, and then they're packing out the MCG with
43:40
Speaker 11: 110,000 people. And he was the pioneer and how he
43:42
Speaker 11: was able to, again, initial investor in the Sydney Kings.
43:46
Speaker 11: And him being so passionate about whatever it may be,
43:49
Speaker 11: whether it be on his show, entertainment, sport, people felt that.
43:54
Speaker 11: And they gravitated towards him because of that.
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Speaker 1: Really important legacy. PJ, so good to have you here.
43:59
Speaker 1: So good to catch up again. Thank you very much.
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Speaker 11: It's a pleasure, Shari. Thank you.
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Speaker 1: And if you want to hear PJ's audio version of
44:05
Speaker 1: our book, so you don't have to physically read it yourself,
44:08
Speaker 1: you can get it at Audible, Amazon, Spotify and Apple.
44:12
Speaker 1: So there you go.
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Speaker 2: All right.
44:14
Speaker 1: Still to come, David Kosher's surprise intervention in the economy
44:19
Speaker 1: and Trump slaps down Albanese. We'll get the story, the
44:22
Speaker 1: backstory after the break. Well, the Trump administration has accused
44:29
Speaker 1: Albanese of censorship for his digital duty of care laws.
44:33
Speaker 1: As you know, Albanese and Trump are at odds over
44:36
Speaker 1: how to manage AI. And here was Trump in his
44:38
Speaker 1: United Nations address.
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Speaker 3: The United States also totally rejects any attempt to construct
44:45
Speaker 3: a globalist scheme to control for the artificial intelligence being
44:50
Speaker 3: spoken of.
44:53
Speaker 1: And joining me to explain this further is Pangana Capital
44:56
Speaker 1: Chief Executive Russell Pillimer. Russell, great to see you as
44:58
Speaker 1: usual on a Wednesday. Is Albanese out of his depth
45:02
Speaker 1: when it comes to his push to regulate AI?
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Speaker 15: Look, Shari, I think by the very notion that he
45:09
Speaker 15: is getting engaged with this and is actually putting this
45:12
Speaker 15: forward as a proposition shows that he is out of
45:14
Speaker 15: his depth. there is no way at all that Trump
45:18
Speaker 15: or actually any US administration would actually accept being subject
45:22
Speaker 15: to a global regulator on AI. It's just a, it's
45:26
Speaker 15: a fantasy. You know, in Australia, we don't have much
45:29
Speaker 15: of an AI industry at all. And the best we
45:33
Speaker 15: can do here is actually try and piggyback on the
45:36
Speaker 15: US to try and engage in the industry. And by
45:40
Speaker 15: antagonizing the US, that's not the way that we're going
45:43
Speaker 15: to be successful at this. So I think it's time
45:45
Speaker 15: that he actually changed track on this.
45:48
Speaker 1: I mean, he clearly wants to position himself as a
45:50
Speaker 1: world leader, you know, saving the future, saving mankind. But
45:54
Speaker 1: as we spoke about last week, some of the AI
45:58
Speaker 1: players who are calling for regulation, as you said, are
46:02
Speaker 1: actually doing it to stop others coming after them.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, look, there is the potential for that. A global
46:08
Speaker 15: regulator is totally the wrong way to go. If you
46:11
Speaker 15: think about it, all global organisations that try and regulate
46:15
Speaker 15: or global institutions like the UN are very unsuccessful because
46:19
Speaker 15: it consists of different members who have different agendas. And
46:23
Speaker 15: America wants to control this agenda or their own agenda.
46:27
Speaker 15: And so this would just never happen. And even questionable
46:31
Speaker 15: whether there'll be a regulator within the US market.
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Speaker 1: Interesting Trump changing the name, saying it's going to be
46:37
Speaker 1: called super intelligence from now on, not AI. I don't
46:40
Speaker 1: mind it.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, I think he is trying to show the world
46:43
Speaker 15: that the US owns AI. They're not going to engage
46:46
Speaker 15: with the rest of the world, allow the rest of
46:48
Speaker 15: the world to dictate to them. And what better name,
46:51
Speaker 15: what better way to do this than by giving it
46:54
Speaker 15: its own name that you own?
46:56
Speaker 1: And they are in a race against China. I mean,
46:58
Speaker 1: this is about global politics as well.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, look, this is a two-horse race. It's definitely America
47:04
Speaker 15: and China. And as the Americans go forward, so the
47:07
Speaker 15: Chinese keep on their tails. And this is a tight race.
47:12
Speaker 15: And so it needs to be run very hard.
47:18
Speaker 1: Now, it's interesting just on this topic that the scale
47:20
Speaker 1: AI founder, Lucy Guo, who uses autonomous agents, has come
47:26
Speaker 1: out and said that she's actually working more than ever.
47:29
Speaker 1: She says, this is her quote, it's making people work harder, actually,
47:33
Speaker 1: because you have to be awake for your agents to
47:35
Speaker 1: be running. Last week, I worked a 26-hour day because
47:39
Speaker 1: I refused to go to sleep. I mean, two more
47:41
Speaker 1: hours than there are in the day, but you get
47:43
Speaker 1: her point.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, so AI is meant to make our lives easier.
47:46
Speaker 15: And if we listen to Elon Musk and others, they
47:49
Speaker 15: talk about the age of abundance and basically human beings
47:52
Speaker 15: not being required to work anymore. But I think it's
47:56
Speaker 15: within us that.
47:57
Speaker 11: We want to work.
47:58
Speaker 15: You know, we've got millions of years of DNA, which
48:00
Speaker 15: tells us we need to work hard in order to
48:03
Speaker 15: feed ourselves, in order to protect ourselves. And that's still
48:05
Speaker 15: within us. So when we get the tools, we're just
48:08
Speaker 15: working harder using those tools. Nobody's slowing down. And I
48:12
Speaker 15: think it's early days. Not only have you got these
48:14
Speaker 15: tools to work hard at your job, but you've got
48:16
Speaker 15: to learn about AI and learn about the tools. And
48:19
Speaker 15: that's taking up a lot of time as well. So
48:21
Speaker 15: I think there's a lot of activity.
48:23
Speaker 9: The other thing.
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Speaker 1: Autonomous agents, is that like human-like robots?
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Speaker 15: No, autonomous agents just means functions that can perform your
48:31
Speaker 15: work within an AI context.
48:35
Speaker 16: So the.
48:40
Speaker 15: The way this is all going to work is that
48:41
Speaker 15: these agents will do, basically, your various tasks for you,
48:45
Speaker 15: and so you should be able to sit back and relax.
48:48
Speaker 15: But there's more agents... There's always more agents that you
48:50
Speaker 15: can put together, etc.
48:51
Speaker 11: Alright.
48:52
Speaker 1: I want to get to the economy now, and TV
48:54
Speaker 1: personality David Koch has... He did an interview on Chris
48:57
Speaker 1: Kenny a bit earlier. Here's what he had to say.
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Speaker 16: It's governments and their demand. Not just the federal government.
49:05
Speaker 16: It is state governments. It's local governments. They're spending... what
49:09
Speaker 16: they were spending during COVID to keep us out of
49:12
Speaker 16: a Great Depression. We are back to normal economic times.
49:16
Speaker 16: And that heat is fuelling inflation. leading to higher interest rates.
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Speaker 1: So, Russell, he's making the point that RBA needs to
49:25
Speaker 1: be more upfront with people, that it's government spending pushing
49:28
Speaker 1: up inflation causing us pain.
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Speaker 15: So, Sherry, I think today was actually a monumental day
49:35
Speaker 15: in the cycle. where the RBAs actually come and really
49:38
Speaker 15: called out the government. And basically they've said, we've been
49:43
Speaker 15: talking for a while now about ringing the alarm bell
49:45
Speaker 15: and saying things are heading towards a bit of a
49:47
Speaker 15: catastrophe here. And the RBA finally came out today and
49:51
Speaker 15: they said that as well. And what they've said is
49:53
Speaker 15: that they need to slow the economy down by using
49:56
Speaker 15: interest rates because the government is not doing their bit
49:59
Speaker 15: to slow the economy down outside of interest rates. And
50:02
Speaker 15: what that is going to result in is unemployment increasing
50:06
Speaker 15: from 4.5% to 5%. That will mean 83,000 people will
50:11
Speaker 15: be out of jobs when that happens.
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Speaker 1: But they're actually saying that's what's needed in a way
50:15
Speaker 1: to bring down inflation. I mean, it's a pretty scary thought.
50:18
Speaker 1: Russell Pillemer, thank you. We're out of time. Thank you
50:20
Speaker 1: so much for being here. Appreciate it, as always, on
50:23
Speaker 1: a Wednesday. And thanks for your company this evening. I'll
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Speaker 1: see you tomorrow. And here's the great Paul Murray.