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Trade deadline recap: Did the Cubs pass or fail? · North Side Territory: A Chicago Cubs Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your
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  Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic and Patrick. The
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  Speaker 1: trade deadline has come and gone. The Cubs have made
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  Speaker 1: multiple moves, they have improved their team. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: hard to argue against that. What fans, many fans I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to say, like judging by the reaction I got,
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  Speaker 1: it's not all fans, but it's many fans, many pundits,
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  Speaker 1: people all around the game feel like there was a
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  Speaker 1: missed opportunity here that they didn't do what they needed
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  Speaker 1: to to have this be a successful deadline. I think
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  Speaker 1: after what we're recording this about five hours after the
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  Speaker 1: deadline is hit, I think after thinking about it, seeing
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  Speaker 1: everything that's happened, I can I can understand the frustration,
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  Speaker 1: but I also understand where Jed Hoyr is coming from,
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  Speaker 1: like what I think ultimately, the Cubs didn't get a
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  Speaker 1: no doubt playoffs starter. I'm not sure if there was
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  Speaker 1: one that could have been Pride for reasonable cost, but
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  Speaker 1: it just feels disappointing when when this team is this
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  Speaker 1: good with some obvious needs, and the biggest need wasn't addressed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Jed Hoyer's point was understood that you know,
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  Speaker 2: no other team made the trade for he wouldn't say
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  Speaker 2: by name, but the marquee controllable starters, Mackenzie Gore, Joe Ryan.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: There's kind of split opinions on Sandiagatara and Edward Cabrera,
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  Speaker 2: but they both, you know, fall under that ella as well.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I think I've like every move the
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  Speaker 2: Cubs actually followed through on. I think you're not in
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  Speaker 2: your head. I think you agree as well. Just to me,
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  Speaker 2: I have a hard time looking at what the Cubs
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  Speaker 2: gave up and thinking like their actions met the moment.
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  Speaker 2: And what I'm talking about is trading just kind of
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of teenagers slash mid round picks, almost all
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  Speaker 2: of them in the lower levels, couple in the middle
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  Speaker 2: levels of your farm system. I just thought they clung
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  Speaker 2: a little too tightly to that. I get it. Acquiring
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  Speaker 2: Mackenzie Gore would have been really difficult. Maybe the prices
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  Speaker 2: were so unreasonable. I just I was just honestly surprised
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  Speaker 2: that they didn't get that. Charlie Morton or someone like that,
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  Speaker 2: Like we were all in that media workroom on the
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  Speaker 2: second floor of the Early office tower as it crept
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  Speaker 2: towards five o'clock local time, even afterwards, thinking something else
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  Speaker 2: is going to trickle out, Zach Gallon, just someone like that.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that was going to be there, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: really surprised it didn't come through.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I absolutely agree. There was a feeling of surprise.
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  Speaker 1: I think listening to jet Talk, I listened to multiple
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  Speaker 1: others beyond him speaking to us in the media room there.
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  Speaker 4: I heard him on the radio. I heard him on.
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  Speaker 1: Marquee something a point he made he said, there, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there were rentals available, and then there were like the
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  Speaker 1: guys that like the Joe Ryan, the Edward Cabrera, the
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  Speaker 1: Mackenzie Gore. That's two and a half, three and a
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  Speaker 1: half years of control. There was no one and a
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  Speaker 1: half year of control guy. Which maybe that's where they
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  Speaker 1: fit past for value wise, if if you're if you're
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  Speaker 1: trying gonna trade Joe Ryan, if you're gonna trade Mackenzie Gore,
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  Speaker 1: that's probably starts with Cad.
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  Speaker 4: Horton or Matt Shaw, maybe.
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  Speaker 1: Both that if that's where they're not budging from giving
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  Speaker 1: up with one of those guys.
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  Speaker 4: I get it.
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  Speaker 1: If you're not budging from giving up Owen Casey or
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  Speaker 1: Jefferson Rojas or Kevin o'contrad that's where I'd have some issues.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that was the case. They probably
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  Speaker 1: weren't willing to give those guys up for a rental.
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  Speaker 1: And that's where it's like this weird in between. There
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  Speaker 1: wasn't that one and a half yer guy, and and
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  Speaker 1: they don't have that double a guy, a plus guy
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  Speaker 1: that's not in the top one hundred but not you
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  Speaker 1: know not Also like this, uh, this guy that has
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  Speaker 1: tremendous upside that could be in the top one hundred
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  Speaker 1: next year. Like that's what you want you, I want
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  Speaker 1: one of those guys to give up for a rental.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe where you're you're like, yeah, well we'll take the risk.
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  Speaker 1: This guy could be a top one hundred guy next year.
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  Speaker 1: The guys that are like seventeen and could be a
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  Speaker 1: top one hundred guy and five years everything clicks, they
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  Speaker 1: don't want that for the rental, for the top tier rental.
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  Speaker 1: So it was just a weird market. I think for
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  Speaker 1: Jed Hoyer, I think he made some valid points. I
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  Speaker 1: also just think I think you're right when you and
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  Speaker 1: I think fans that are are frustrated or right in
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  Speaker 1: the sense like I don't know what could have been
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  Speaker 1: done right. We don't have We're not sitting in those
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  Speaker 1: rooms and hearing every deal. But maybe when you see
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  Speaker 1: the Astros behaving the way they do, when you see
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  Speaker 1: the Padres behaving like they do, was Dylan Ce's available
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  Speaker 1: and what kind of what kind of pride? That's probably
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  Speaker 1: where you do willingly give up the top one hundred
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  Speaker 1: prospect for a rental, And you know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that's how they look at it.
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  Speaker 1: I think sometimes there's a guy like that where you say,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, screw it, we're giving them up for
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  Speaker 1: the rental because this guy's just that good and changes
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  Speaker 1: the dynamic of our team. I think for me, when
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  Speaker 1: I ultimately what I look at is, you have all
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  Speaker 1: these prospects, what are you going to do with them?
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  Speaker 1: You can't play them all. I think some of them
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  Speaker 1: can be useful bench pieces this year. Maybe some of
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  Speaker 1: them earn starting time over the course of the next
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  Speaker 1: two months, But then what like maybe one guy replaces
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker, But what about the others. We're playing time
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  Speaker 1: for Moyses Biasis, for Owen Casey, for Kevin ol Contra,
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  Speaker 1: for Jonathan Long where like, I don't know, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know where you play all these guys when you have
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  Speaker 1: these these prospects at Triple A. Yeah, it's great, but
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  Speaker 1: eventually they need to be traded, and they need to
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  Speaker 1: be traded at the right time, and you need to
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  Speaker 1: trade the right ones, and that's on them to figure
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  Speaker 1: that out. That's I think we'll discuss that in the
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  Speaker 1: win more than now. But it's just something that I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking about while trying to talk all this out
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  Speaker 1: and to think all this through over the past five hours.
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  Speaker 2: Look, you mentioned Kyle Tucker, he's what like fifty something
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  Speaker 2: games away from reaching free agency. I looked, I forget
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  Speaker 2: the exact number, something in that range, what two months
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  Speaker 2: maybe two months in a playoff run. Pete crow Armstrong, like,
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  Speaker 2: I think he's gonna have a real nice long career
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  Speaker 2: in the big leagues. So he's gonna play at an
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  Speaker 2: MVP level every year the rest of his life. I
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  Speaker 2: mean probably not. You know, you have a group that
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  Speaker 2: has overcome adversity, uh, in the firm form of you know,
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  Speaker 2: Justin Steele's injury. Uh, you've gotten, you know, great performance
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  Speaker 2: out of Matthew Boyd. The Brewers are pushing you, uh
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  Speaker 2: and probably will until the last game of the season
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  Speaker 2: at a time when the Saint Louis Cardinals are just receding,
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  Speaker 2: you know, your historic rival. I just saw the circumstances
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  Speaker 2: and the club's play uh merited more. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not even doing the whole like front office versus clubhouse,
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  Speaker 2: you know battle, because Craig Counsel is an extension of
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  Speaker 2: that front office. I mean, Jet Hoyer has been in
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  Speaker 2: the organization the entire time all of these guys have
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  Speaker 2: come into the organization, whether he was the GM or
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  Speaker 2: the president of Baseball Operations. So it's not like he's
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  Speaker 2: some new guy who doesn't believe in this group. This
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  Speaker 2: is his handpicked team, and I don't I would love
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  Speaker 2: to like hear, you know, some of these discussions of
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  Speaker 2: like where they draw the line on prospect value, because
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  Speaker 2: it just felt like they held him held him too
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  Speaker 2: tightly this summer that it could have been just one
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  Speaker 2: more move out there. And I think it's a different
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  Speaker 2: tone as we're talking on social media, maybe even within
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  Speaker 2: their own organization.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, when the more I think about this,
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  Speaker 1: here's something that I think is most unacceptable if you're
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  Speaker 1: not going to make the moves right now. That like,
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  Speaker 1: when you clearly need to bolster this roster and there
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  Speaker 1: are holes on the roster. You had to do it
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  Speaker 1: in the winter, and they and they, and that's where
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  Speaker 1: the money wasn't spent or that's where the prospect may
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  Speaker 1: have been clung too tightly. And and it was a
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  Speaker 1: moment where I was willing to give them the benefit
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  Speaker 1: of the doubt of Okay, evaluate the roster, see where
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  Speaker 1: everything is, and then.
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  Speaker 4: Make the moves.
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  Speaker 1: Come July, and they made a bunch of moves. I
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  Speaker 1: think they made some good moves. We'll talk about one
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  Speaker 1: in just a moment, but but I think I think
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  Speaker 1: when you don't make those moves, it puts all the
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  Speaker 1: more pressure to make some bigger moves in the in
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  Speaker 1: the offseason.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, in the trade deadline, they made the one
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  Speaker 4: big move.
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  Speaker 1: We all thought another big move may come in the winter,
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  Speaker 1: it didn't. And whether it was Bregman backing out on Heesuslizardo, like,
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  Speaker 1: there were moves that were left on the table and
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  Speaker 1: you wanted to see them follow through the trade deadline,
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  Speaker 1: and that leads to more disappointment. There's money that wasn't spent.
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  Speaker 1: We were told that Cody Bellinger money would be spent.
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  Speaker 1: I think you and I kind of realized by the
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  Speaker 1: end of the winter, oh wait, that's not being spent
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  Speaker 1: at all. And and like I think Jed said when
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't there at spring training at this point, but
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  Speaker 1: you were there, and he basically said, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: don't keep.
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  Speaker 4: Your powder dry the chest. Yeah, yeah, is that what
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  Speaker 4: it was?
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  Speaker 1: You don't like, you don't sit on the money. So
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  Speaker 1: I guess he kind of indicated what was happening.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: There's a there's a feeling of frustration and something left
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  Speaker 1: on the table here. I think it can it can
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  Speaker 1: work out. I think that's important to to understand. There's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of intriguing editions. Uh no slam dunk. Addition,
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about one real quickly here in the DraftKings
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  Speaker 1: player spotlight. Uh so, Patrick, they they added Michael Soroka.
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  Speaker 1: Uh Soroka Soroka. I guess I'll have to find out
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  Speaker 1: know how to pronounce that by weekends and uh we
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  Speaker 1: we talked about him maybe two weeks ago, three weeks
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  Speaker 1: ago as a possibility. Uh, Soroka is a I I
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  Speaker 1: like his peripherals. I like him as you know, a
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  Speaker 1: low cost ad, although some would argue that that prospect
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  Speaker 1: cost of Christian Franklin and Ronnie.
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  Speaker 4: Cruz is is pretty high.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I I've gotten the like there may not
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  Speaker 1: be a more polarizing prospect in that system than Ronnie Cruz.
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  Speaker 1: Some guys are just like, don't don't dig in on him.
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  Speaker 1: Others are like, I like this guy a lot. He's
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  Speaker 1: a future major league shorts up. So that's I mean,
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  Speaker 1: But that's that's what it is when it's a teenager, right,
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  Speaker 1: when it's a young dude drafted out of high school.
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  Speaker 1: Christian Franklin's probably like a fourth or fifth outfielder on
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  Speaker 1: a major league roster on a good one. Soroca strikes
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  Speaker 1: guys out. He doesn't walk a ton of guys. He
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  Speaker 1: he has had a great season in the past. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of injuries recently have kept him from really maximizing
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  Speaker 1: his value. My concern, you know, I liked it the
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  Speaker 1: idea a few weeks ago. This last three starts dip
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  Speaker 1: in like velocity by like three miles per hour. That's
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  Speaker 1: that's the concern for me. I also don't know how
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  Speaker 1: the Cubs will use him. I think he's going to
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  Speaker 1: get some starts, but I also think he's an out getter,
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  Speaker 1: and we could see him shifted to the bullpen when
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  Speaker 1: James Tyne, Javier Asad, whoever is back. Part of the
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  Speaker 1: reason why we're kind of like, why didn't they go
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  Speaker 1: get a no doubt starters, because it's like, is this
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  Speaker 1: guy a no doubt starter, even not a no doubt
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  Speaker 1: playoff starter? Is he even gonna make twelve starts for
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  Speaker 1: this team down the stretch?
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was thinking, Sahada of like, I
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  Speaker 2: thought they'd get another guy just because if he's not
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  Speaker 2: a slam dunk starter. Uh, it just creates a lot
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  Speaker 2: more questions, like what if there are setbacks in the
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  Speaker 2: recovery process for Tyon or Assad, or what if Kate
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  Speaker 2: Horton just kind of hits a wall here. I think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Colin Ray has been really good about as
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  Speaker 2: much as they could have hoped for. Having said all that,
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  Speaker 2: this is why his name popped up on one of
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  Speaker 2: our what We're hearing notebooks even before the All Star break.
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  Speaker 2: I like the fact you know Soroka. I think that's
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  Speaker 2: how Baseball Reference has the pronunciation. But I know, six',
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  Speaker 2: five two hundred and fifty pounds first round, pick a
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  Speaker 1: win The World series at the trade. Deadline you know
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  Speaker 1: biggest splash doesn't doesn't impact the team as. MUCH i
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  Speaker 1: uh they have a good manager that knows how to
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  Speaker 1: use his pitching.
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  Speaker 4: Staff that like The Detroit. TIGERS i don't.
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  Speaker 1: LIKE i don't love using outliers or randomness of baseball as,
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  Speaker 4: DEADLINE i.
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  Speaker 1: DON'T i don't think The cubs are have screwed. THEMSELVES
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  Speaker 1: i don't think they're they're a bad team. Now Uh
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  Speaker 1: LIKE i do think that there was you, KNOW i
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  Speaker 1: would have liked to have seen them make a bigger,
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  Speaker 1: move but, Uh, Soroka, Kittridge, rogers these are guys that
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  Speaker 1: are gonna help their. Bullpen Uh and and they are
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  Speaker 1: more trustworthy than the guys that they that that they are.
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  Speaker 4: PLACING i think that.
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  Speaker 1: HELPS i think that helps keep guys like you, said
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  Speaker 1: Like Brad, keller Like Daniel, palencia Like Caleb. Thelbar it
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  Speaker 1: keeps him fresher for down the stretch like you needed
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  Speaker 1: someone Like. Rogers so you're not leaning On theeldbar all the.
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  Speaker 1: Time Because palmerance was starting, to you, know show his
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  Speaker 1: age and show his lack of you, know he hasn't
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  Speaker 1: played pitch that. Much you want to use him. Less
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  Speaker 1: hopefully this helps him. Too SO i think THEY'RE i
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  Speaker 1: don't want to focus only on the. NEGATIVE i think
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  Speaker 1: the team is. BETTER i think you have a manager
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  Speaker 1: that knows how to use these pitchers and loves out
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  Speaker 1: getters and will be creative and we'll get through, games
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  Speaker 1: and now you have you're better set up to get
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  Speaker 1: through these bullpen, games to get through these games until
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  Speaker 1: jameson times ready to make, starts ready to eat seven innings,
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  Speaker 1: again which may may not be right away when he comes.
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  Speaker 1: Back SO i do think that they've they've improved their
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  Speaker 1: team and that they're set up to have a solid second,
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  Speaker 1: half solid five two. Months AND i don't know what
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  Speaker 1: that means for the postseason, though but right NOW i
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  Speaker 1: think they're a better, team AND i think it's it's
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  Speaker 1: worthwhile to to amplify that instead of just focusing on
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  Speaker 1: what they didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Do, YEAH i think they can get a little too
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  Speaker 2: cute with the outgetter stuff, Though like the outgetter stuff
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  Speaker 2: worked In milwaukee when you Have Corbyn burns And Brandon
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: woodruff And Freddy, peralta and then on the back end
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: you have Like Josh hater And Devin. Williams BUT i
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: get where you're coming. FROM i get the. PHILOSOPHY i
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: definitely thought like just watching this team over the last
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: month or, so even though the the record has not been,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: terrible there's been been so many like sloppy and lopsided
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: losses that you're just like this pitching staff just needs
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: like new, blood new. Energy just you, know What jed
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: talked about was just maximizing the entire twenty six man.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Roster AND i don't know if they totally accomplished, that
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: BUT i think they definitely made strides in that, direction
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: particularly on the pitching. SIDE i, mean you look at
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: the score, sheet look at the names on the. Bullpen
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: definitely a couple there that you could have circled. RECENTLY
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: i Mean flexen And pressley were two of. Them and
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: that's certainly giving counsel just more options will, help and
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: then they should have some decent. Depth we'll. See you,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: know this is kind of a. Tangent i'm a little
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: surprised that maybe they didn't trade some of those change
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: of scenery, guys whether It's Ben brown Or Jordan. WICKS
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: i guess we'll. See MAYBE i don't, know do they
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: shorten Up Ben brown at some point? TOO i think
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: you almost have, to, uh there's They've they've given themselves
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: some flexibility here as well as some, depth and those
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: are like the two essential concepts to like what The cubs.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Do there's certain teams you mentioned, them The, Padres Chase,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: stars they're constantly, churning you, know prospects for established major league.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Talent The astros take these big swings with an owner you,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: know who gets involves and likes chasing those. Stars The
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: cubs are kind of a Boring midwest team that love
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: depth and flexibility and that are constantly worried about things
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: that could go. Wrong and that's not a bad way
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: to look at. IT i, mean it's pretty realistic and
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: we'll see kind of what plays over the next two plus.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Months, yeah like you, said there were just some pitching outings,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: that you, know some outings that you had to make
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: changes that That Brewer. SERIES i think it really amplified
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: some of these. Issues Chris flexen was great for a
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: long stretch there two earned runs allowed for like his
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: first FIFTEEN i think, outings and then his last five
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: he gave up thirteen earned. Runs he gave up six,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: homers eight e R it was it was rough and
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: he you, KNOW, i you, Know Ryan samberg passed away
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: and it kind of put The.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: Brewer series to the, side and understandably.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: So BUT i was starting to write, about you know,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: this they have to upgrade this pitching. Staff Chris, flexen
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: you can't keep them around if you're a playoff. Team
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: and then they defade him the next, Day.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Ryan, Presley, LOOK i understand the beat.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: THERE i understand making that move that WE i talked
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: about money. Before, hey they that was a money move
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: that they were adding some money. There they were willing
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: to take it, on betting on a veteran who has
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: a ton of postseason. Success it didn't work out here
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: in both these, Guys flexing And, Pressley, like you got
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: to give them props for the work they put. In
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: FLEXIN i think did a great job for a period
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: of time and probably won them some games by keeping
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: them in games and allowing that offense to. Shine pressley,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: like it was almost to the point WHERE i could
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: you could like see it on his face every single
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: time he went out there, recently it seemed like he
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: was giving up what was, it, one, two, three four or?
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Five four home runs in his last five. Outings it
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: seemed like every single time he was like it like
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: eight at, him LIKE i just gave up another. Run
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: he was so desperate to get back to that high
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: leverage spot and like get back to being a trusted
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: pitcher in that bull and it just.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Didn't it wasn't.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Happening and, uh he had some nice runs obviously he
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: had that historically.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Bed outing.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: In the, end you, know it just just didn't work.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: OUT i, mean a four thirty five era is it
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: the worst thing? Ever but it's ALSO i think watching
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: him go through the day to, day it was, Like, okay,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: yeah this this isn't. Working fifteen point four percent strikeout,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: rate nine point three percent walk, rate not going to
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: get it.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Done, no not sustainable h flexing as. Well not a
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: guy with like huge swinging miss. Stuff it's hard to
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: survive in the big leagues that. Way and, yeah and
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: then getting different, looks you, know additional experience in the
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: in the bullpen that effect you're talking About sahat ev,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: of like other relievers are better when you know certain
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: guys carry the load or you know you can put
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: them in better. Matchups like you, KNOW i think of
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: What council talks, about how that bullpen is a team
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: within a, team that what one pitcher does oftentimes affects
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: another as you're trying to you find different segments of
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: the lineup to work against to keep guys healthy over
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: a longer period of. Time like all those things feed
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: into each. Other you. Know it also helps to have
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: a frontline, starter like you, say who will throw seven
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: innings every time. Out but those guys are increasingly rare
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: and even harder to acquire.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Quickly just Like Andrew, kittridge really good pitcher this. Year
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: his peripherals are like kind of better Than Caleb. DEALBAR'S
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: i know he's a, variety so it's, different but they're
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: they're really good. Peripherals they're you, know there's like two,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: relievers three relievers with better Striker, no there's two relievers
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: with better strikeout rate Than Andrew kittridge on this. Staff
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: It's pomerants And. Palencia so you, KNOW i like that.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: AD i know he's not a big, name but that's
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: a nice. Ad rogers is another you needed another. Lefty
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: you had to add another, lefty and it's a it's
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: a nice. Addition let's take a break and talk about
• 26:24
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• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Purchase of all the moves they, MADE i THINK i
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: like The Willie.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: Castro won the. Most.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Agreed, HONESTLY i think it it has a chance to
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: be like a really impactful.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Move this is a team that hasn't had the of
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: late the.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Best success against Lefties Willi castro crushes. Lefties he can
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: play all over.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: That Ian happ's.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: SHIN i know he homer in the last game against
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: The breweries on a pinch. HIT i, know you know
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: He's he's likely going to be out there every. Day
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: But Willy caster can play some left. Field Matt shaw
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: a bad, matchup Put Willy kaster at third. Base Dansby
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: swanson needs a, Break Nico horner needs a, Break Kor
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: armstrong gets banged, up anything like. That this guy can play.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Wherever AND i AND i think he's a pretty good,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: bat especially with the lefty on the. Mound he's a
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: really good. Bat he's an average bat probably with the
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: righty on the. MOUND i just really like the. ADDITION
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: i think it's the type of move that that you,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: know Au Henni osuarez gets a ton of. Ink Carlos
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: korea is going to get the. HEADLINES i wouldn't rule
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Out Willy caster being the most as far as the
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: final two months of the, season being one of the
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: best bats moved, in one of the most impactful. Players
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: LIKE i think this offense needed, something the bench, needed
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: something you needed to upgrade in some, way whether it
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: was the bench or the. LINEUP i think this does
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: both because you can play them every day all over the,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: place and you can also that just improves the batch
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: in the.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Depth, YEAH i still Think suarez is probably gonna be more,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: impactful BUT i agree with everything Else in, ALL i
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: GOT i gotcha for this team. Though castro fits extremely.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: WELL i, mean twenty eight years, old a Recent All
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: star according to our Buddy Dan, hayes or at Least
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: i'm assuming he wrote this part of one of our
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: many pre rights on OUR mlb. Desk castro's like, great
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: like clubhouse dude as, well like you see it if
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: he's willing to play, everywhere like those guys usually have
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: that sort of attitude and. Aptitude but, again someone who's
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: in a really nice point in his, career and you,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: KNOW i think circling back to kind of where the.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Started like with, prospects it is so hard to become
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: an everyday player in the major, leagues just to stay
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: healthy enough to keep earning those opportunities to reach free,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: agency to get into your mid twenties and still be.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Playing mayors like those guys are, rare and that's WHY
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: i think ones who do it get paid a ton of.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Money and you, Know castro's not a huge. Name he's
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: a different form of an everyday type. Player but you,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: know we've said it, before this has been a remarkably
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: healthy group of position. Players and obviously no one's wishing
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: for injuries or you, know but they happen all the.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Time and JUST i don't, know the law of averages
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: makes you think like something else is going to happen to.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Here AND i mean he and happen looked good, enough you,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: know city felt good. Enough but just the way this sport,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: works like all it takes is you, know a foul,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: ball a hit by, pitch running into a, wall a
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: collision in the, outfield whatever it, is like that is
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: going to. Happen and to have a guy like you,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: say who can Spell, nico who could Spell DANSBY, pca
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: whatever you want to, do like same way certain bullpen
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: guys are you know What Joe madden would call force
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: multipliers like this, Guy Willie castro can help other guys stay.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Fresh if you want to play through the end Of,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: october you're gonna need, it you, know to get through
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: the dog days Of, august and to give you some matchup.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Advantages In, September so it's a big.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Deal, Yeah, NO I i, INSTANTLY i think We this
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: was one of the names we identified decently early on as,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: well AND i always thought like, this you, know this
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: is going to be hard to pry away because there's
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: going to be so much competition for. Him but this
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: was a this seemed more. Realistic it was all about
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: did the twins fall out of? It and, wow did
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: the twins? Not they didn't go. That that wasn't a
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: half measure what they. DID i was kind of shocked
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: at how aggressive they. Were it was almost like where's
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: The Joe ryan? Trade because they moved everyone. Else, uh it,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: was it. Was it was a little jarring to see
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: all those. MOVES i thought, that you, know most teams
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: just don't do. THAT i just don't see, that not
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: especially when not every single one of them was a.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Rental. Uh but, yes this was a nice addition for.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: THEM i think when we talk about undervalued or overlooked
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: moves two months from, now we may, say, like, wow
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: did that save the cub season in some way because
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Player rex was hurt for a month or or just
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: was slumping and they needed someone to go in.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: There you, know.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of little things that this guy
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: can help with and and you, KNOW i think he makes.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: It he makes a real difference for this. Group, yeah,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: sorry go, On, NO i.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Think that's a good call. Too of like the two,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: months you never, know, Right like sometimes It's Nick castillanos
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: and sometimes Jam Er candelario gets, hurt you, KNOW i,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: mean you're just kind of stuck for basically half the
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: time you have the. Guy and SO i think With
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: castro there's a lot of potential and upside there for
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: him to help it in different ways and maybe even
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: scenarios we're not even envisioning right.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah and, uh one final point on the, OFFENSE i
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: think we're going to see these young guys come up
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: at least by serious is already. UP i wonder if
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: we're going to See casey at some point. SOON i
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: don't know how you play.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: Them regularly really if everybody's.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Healthy but maybe it's a you, Know Jesse rogers kind
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: of asked the question To.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: JED i think it's a fair, one is. It just
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: don't overthink this best twenty.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Six you, know player development maybe goes out the window
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: for a couple of months here and you.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: Just you find. Ways you play straight.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Matchups you just play the best the best guys every, day, pinch, hit,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: aggressively do all these different, things and then when it's
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: twenty eight man in a month.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: From, now you can be even more aggressive with.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: IT i think it's going to be. INTERESTING i think
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: we're going to see some aggressive. Moves Miguel amia is
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: going to come. Back who gets Dfaate is That John?
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Birdie now That Willie castro's? Here Does John birdie really
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: have a role on this. Roster there's there's a lot
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: of moves. Coming this team is deeper and. BETTER i
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: understand there's plenty of, disappointment and it's. Valid i'm very
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: curious to see how this team plays down the stretch
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: because that they are a better, team and they've been
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: second best record or tied for the second best record
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: right now in, Baseball so there could be hand. Ring
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: but also we got to keep perspective here about how
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: good this team actually. Is so it should be a,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: good a fun final two months if we can put
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: the disappointment of the trade deadline behind us uh and
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: and see what they can. Do because they're they're gonna
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: make noise it's not like they pack it in now
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: because they didn't get you, Know Mackenzie gore Or Joe.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: Ryan.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: YEAH i mean like If Joe ryan McKenzie gore was
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: walking down the, street would you even notice? Them you,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: know like we're not we're not talking ABOUT.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I think the ladies Like Joe Ryan. Patrick the ladies
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Like Joe. Ryan he's a he's a good looking.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: OKAY I i was not talking about anyone's, well not
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: as much as. Yet just the you, know like there
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: are they were kind of The internet and they're very good.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Pictures no doubt you'd want them on your. Team but you,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: KNOW i don't know if this is passing On Justin
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: verlander or like you would have gotten you, KNOW Cc,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: sabbathia you know what he did for The, Brewers like you,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: know the pitching, game the prominence of starters have certainly
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: diminished somewhat so and plus like now we can now
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: we have trade rumors for these guys.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: About WHAT i don't think we're done hearing trade rumors
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: like maybe.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: The, nationals you, know whether they stick with the interim
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: guy or. Not like there's a baseline, there like there's
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: still you know a whole set of, uh you, Know
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: marlin's conversations to revisit like that's you, know endless.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Fodder, yeah, we'll, we'll we'll talk more trade rumors in
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: three months or, so, uh three or four months when,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: whenever whenever THE gm meetings start up. Again all, Right,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: PATRICK i think we're good. There trade deadline has come and.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Gone uh, yeah that was it was. Hectic it may
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: not have been exactly what you. Wanted this is a better.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Team i'm curious to see how it all plays. Out
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: they're going to play a much Depleted Baltimore orioles team this.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Weekend they you, know they need to get. Going they
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: need to start looking. Better maybe maybe they'll be a
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: little jolt in that clubhouse and they'll be ready to
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: go for the final two months of the.
• 37:19
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