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  It's the tip of the spare in the epic battle to defend the United States of America.
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  The national security hour exposes the wolves in sheep's clothing and the nefarious plots to undermine and destroy U.S.
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  national security.
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  Welcome to the National Security Hour on the American Out Loud Network.
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  And I'm talking to my wonderful friend Claire Lopez today about Trump's threat to Iran.
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  He said a whole civilization will no longer exist.
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  And I'm trying to understand here, you even have some of the embassies, Claire, around the country saying, get a grip.
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  And they're talking about getting young people as human shields to protect certain parts of Iran.
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  Explain this to us.
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  Fill us in.
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  Yeah, thank you.
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  Well, uh, great to be with you, BQ.
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  And um uh what a day.
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  Uh we are all uh waiting in anticipation of President Trump's deadline tonight, uh, 8 p.m.
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  Eastern U.S.
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  time for the Iranian regime or whatever's left of it, uh, to accept the conditions uh that begin, of course, with opening the Strait of Hormuz completely.
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  Uh, but there is also a much longer list of conditions uh that the United States uh has presented to Iran.
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  Uh the language in President Trump's uh Truth Social Post, I think was deliberately uh geared to be uh a little bit over the top, uh shocking shocking.
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  Shocking, but that is, I think, uh uh psychological uh warfare, if you will, um, to discombobulate uh the uh the regime, uh, to get them off balance to uh wonder uh if he is um you know going to do a carry-through uh with with the threats against uh infrastructure, bridges, uh power plants, and so forth, uh, to uh present himself as maybe a little bit like not stable and who knows what he could do.
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  I think that's deliberate.
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  I also don't believe uh that Americans or Israelis um would uh ever bomb uh bridges or power plants that were surrounded by covered by uh Iranian women and children, who, by the way, very most likely are the family members of IRGC, uh Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps uh members uh who are out there not necessarily because they want to be, but because their husbands, father's brothers, sons ordered them to be.
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  Uh, but again, I don't think I don't see the U.S.
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  Air Force or the Israeli Air Force uh bombing bridges uh full of uh Iranian women and children, whomever they may be.
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  That's not going to happen.
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  There could be, I think, uh the possibility of some kind of um uh deception going on here uh to uh put off the Iranians from understanding where the uh the main attack tonight will take place, and I do think tonight, because they're not going to accept uh the conditions the U.S.
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  has laid out.
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  Let me tell everyone about my friend Claire Lopez, because she is the founder and president of Love is Liberty, it's an LLC, but she's a strategic policy and intelligent expert, a lot of focus on the Middle East, national defense.
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  She has been an expert, one of the people I go to about counter-terrorism issues and her specific areas of expertise include Islam and Iran.
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  You really know this stuff.
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  So what is it that we're not understanding?
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  I think what has shocked so many people.
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  In fact, I was reading uh an article in Al Jazeera talking about military action, is it an effective means to uh pursue non-proliferation?
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  It sounds like it's going the opposite direction.
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  And if the president does not proceed at 8 p.m.
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  and he backs off because there are human shields there, little children and women, how is this played out?
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  How are the Gulf states reacting to this in the Hormuz region play it out for us?
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  Explain it to us.
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  You know, the first thing is I've said, I I don't believe uh that the uh U.S.
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  Air Force or the Israeli Air Force uh is going to drop bombs uh tonight on bridges um, you know, surrounded by Iranian women and children, whether they're there voluntarily or not.
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  Um I think perhaps that what is going on is some kind of diversionary deception uh intended to um to shock uh to alarm uh whatever's left of the Iranian regime, yes, but also to deceive them about where the actual uh strikes uh may take place later on tonight.
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  We've seen today uh that there have been uh attacks on Card Island.
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  Of course, this is the uh big uh uh oil export hub for uh the Iranian regime situated, uh a small island, uh eight by I don't know, 10 miles or something, um, situated at the kind of the top of uh the Persian Gulf, right?
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  Offshore from the mainland of Iran, but uh those attacks uh today uh taking place there.
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  Let's not forget, too, that there are two marine expeditionary units, USS Boxer and the USS uh Tripoli in the region.
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  Don't know exactly where they are.
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  Um Gulf of Oman, uh Gulf uh Arabian Gulf, perhaps, but they carry with them thousands of marines plus uh helicopters, vertical takeoff Osprey aircraft, and uh plenty of firepower.
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  There's nothing around here, basically, Claire.
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  And the question that a lot of people have is ultimately uh why this type of force, because even if the president may be using bluster here, words have power.
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  And if, let's say he chooses not to go so far, then what is to say that the Iranians uh, whether they have sleeper cells or planning some other kind of mischief towards us in another direction will not respond in some way.
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  We we certainly can't be naive enough to think that uh that they're not going to have some sort of plan that they've been putting in place as well.
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  The president is not going to back off of this deadline.
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  He already had extended it by a full 24 hours.
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  It uh was to have been will recall last night uh the deadline, that is Monday, Jan uh uh uh April the 6th, Monday, April the 6th.
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  Now we're on Tuesday the 7th, uh already, as I said, put off by 24 hours.
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  He's not going to extend that anymore.
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  Um as far as the regime in Iran goes, whatever's left of it, there's not much.
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  Um they have to expect that there will be action tonight, not the bridges covered with women and children, no.
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  Uh, but I am looking more towards the Gulf uh of Oman, uh the Arabian Gulf, right there around the opening of the Strait of Hormuz, on up into the Persian Gulf, Card Island.
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  Um, I think that those are the places uh where uh these attacks uh may come.
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  I think they will come.
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  That strait will be opened one way or another.
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  Uh, as far as the regional partners, allies, friends of the United States.
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  But how are they reacting to this?
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  Because they are absolutely um on our side, our side, meaning Israel and the U.S.
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  And especially the reason, of course, uh that uh Iran lashed out in every direction, uh bombing them, uh the United Arab Emirates, uh, even Oman, uh, you know, um uh gutter of all places.
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  Does it uh Kuwait all hit.
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  Let me let me stop you for a second on this.
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  Do you believe that this is chaotic?
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  Is it is it strategic?
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  Because as you say, they've been bombing Oman and other areas, Iran.
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  Um what is the purpose then to basically alienate those people?
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  Why are they doing it?
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  The Iranians perhaps uh the regime leadership, uh it's IRGC is who runs Iran these days, the Post Didon.
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  Um, what they perhaps might have been thinking is that by attacking all of these Gulf area uh uh states, um including Saudi Arabia and all the others, uh, that those states, Gulf Cooperation Council and the rest, all of them, uh, would turn to against turn two, turn against the United States and Israel and say, back off, back off, look what they're doing to us.
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  But instead, uh what those attacks by the Iranian regime against them did was unify them uh in opposition to Iran in a way that maybe that regime hadn't expected.
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  Let me ask you about.
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  Africa.
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  Can Africa tackle the oil shock from this Iranian war?
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  Oh, they're they're in a tough spot.
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  African countries depend um not just on oil imported uh into their countries, but also uh food, uh grain, let's say, um, that uh the shipment of these things, all you know, drastically uh, you know, having been impacted uh by the cutoff of uh you know oil and natural gas, but flowing out of out of the Persian Gulf through the Strait of Hormouth.
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  So no, they do not have oil resources primarily mostly.
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  Um, but they depend on imports to a great extent, and that's that's tough for them.
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  How does Russia play into this equation?
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  Well, from reporting we've seen, um Russia has as well as China, by the way, have both uh been providing intelligence uh to Iran, uh, satellite imagery targeting information, intelligence targeting information against uh American um uh military facilities bases uh in in the region.
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  Um and um, you know, they they they additionally China had had been probably still is trying to uh provide um materiel to Iran uh to help with its ballistic missile program, uh uh precursor chemicals like um what ammonium perchlorate and so forth uh to um help with uh the Iranians' ability taken out in large measure by uh these airstrikes, U.S.
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  and Israel, but to help them uh to be able to uh restart um production uh you know of fuel, um solid propellant rocket fuel missile fuel for their ballistic missiles, um, and and and again uh both Russia and uh and China providing uh intelligence uh targeting.
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  So when they're doing this, I mean you used to work with the CIA.
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  So you know sometimes the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
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  Russia and China are they in a cooperative measure in this relationship with Iran during this time?
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  Oh, sure, they have been for a long time and continue to be, but their ability, their ability to provide meaningful support to Iran at this point in time is pretty well curtailed.
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  And so it's it's it's been really uh, you know, cut back.
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  We're not we're not seeing a whole lot.
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  On the other hand, what we are seeing is President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine reaching out to Gulf cooperation states.
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  He recently took a trip to uh, well, Jordan also, uh, but Saudi Arabia, he was in the Emirates, and um maybe I've missed a couple others to offer uh Ukraine's expertise in counter drone technology, which they've developed um uh incredibly over the course, unfortunately, of this uh last year's war uh against the Russian invasion.
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  So now Ukraine is offering help and assistance uh with counter drone technology for these uh Middle Eastern states.
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  It's you know, again, people are saying they don't quite understand the rationale for this deadline, this timing this tonight at 8 p.m., you know, this incredible deadline.
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  Uh why now?
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  Well, because we've had about enough.
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  Uh, because President Trump and uh his administration have made every effort uh to offer negotiations a diplomatic solution to everything that's going on.
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  Uh and they've done this for how many weeks now?
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  Tried and tried through intermediaries like Pakistan, um, to no avail.
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  Uh the Iranian regime has remained uh recalcitrant, obdurate.
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  Uh and finally the patience is running out.
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  So the deadlines tonight, and that's it.
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  Israel has obliterated eight more bridges.
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  This is what I was reading before I came on with you, and I wanted to get your insight in that.
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  Uh Israel is being extremely aggressive.
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  Uh, is Israel the country itself united in this, or is there a division in this?
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  And why this approach?
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  You know, I have never seen a partnership like the one we have now between Israel and the United States, between Israel's prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu and our president Donald Trump.
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  Uh the coordination, the cooperation, the close working relationship uh between our air forces, our pilots flying side by side, communicating to each other in flight in English, uh, talking about uh strategy and targeting uh and and targeting sites.
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  Uh there's never been anything like it.
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  Uh the cooperation is as close as we've ever had with an ally.
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  Um Israel um a remarkable friend and ally for us.
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  Uh as for targeting infrastructure uh inside of Iran.
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  What I will say is that uh there aren't parallel infrastructures uh plural in Iran for the military and for the civilian sector.
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  Uh they're one and the same.
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  And when uh a piece of infrastructure, let's take a bridge, uh, is both for civilian use and military, uh, then it becomes a legitimate target uh in in a in a military strike uh operation.
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  Um not when it's covered again, not going to be hit when it's covered with women and children.
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  We're talking uh with my very good friend Claire Lopez, founder and president of Lopus Liberty, and a lot of people are calling this Russian roulette of security of the region with the gun cocked to the brain in the region and will the bullet take off.
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  I don't know.
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  Welcome back to the National Security Hour, a powerful show today.
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  I'm Lunke the Kelly, your host, and I'm telling you folks, the president has made it clear, he's given a deadline to the Iranians that this whole civilization will no longer exist unless they follow his plan.
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  We're going to discuss that with my guest, Claire Lopez, who is the founder and president of Lopez Liberty.
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  She's really brilliant.
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  I say that even with her listening to me.
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  I talk about her this way in front of her face and behind her back.
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  She's a strategic policy and intelligence expert.
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  She knows so much about the Middle East, and a part of her career she actually spent uh as a person that was employed by the CIA, that three-letter agency.
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  And boy, she knows a lot about what's going on.
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  She's a private consultant.
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  And um, I know you advise a lot of people.
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  I'm trying to figure out here, Claire, like if we're behind the scenes here, a lot of this is speculation about this threat tonight.
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  This deadline that the president has imposed, and actually, but the time this show airs, we're getting very close to it.
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  Okay.
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  And the fact of the matter is that people are saying, why now?
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  Uh does he want World War III to start?
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  Is this insanity?
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  Is it brilliance?
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  Is this the art of the deal, or is this the art of chaos?
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  Give me your insight.
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  Well, to your first part there, uh, why now?
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  Uh, the why now, I think goes back to intelligence that was coming in over the at least the last year of 2025.
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  Um, I myself attended uh a number of open press briefings by the Iranian opposition, the National Council of Resistance of Iran, other information in the open source arena was coming from reporting uh out of the IAEA International Atomic Energy Agency, as well as uh David Albright's so-called the good ISIS, and that stands for uh Institute for Science and International Security.
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  All of that reporting as of last year and into the beginning of this year now, 2026, um, pointed to uh the drive by the Saranian regime uh to continue its nuclear weapons program uh and ballistic missiles uh program.
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  And specifically, I think what really triggered the decision we've got to go now.
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  Why now?
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  Is because according to that reporting, which you can find at my newsmax blog site, I wrote several articles about it, or and or uh the NCRI's own website as well.
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  What drove that decision, I think, is the information that the Iranians were working on adapting uh and mating uh warheads to the nose cones of their ballistic missiles.
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  This is what they were doing uh last year already, uh developing uh the final steps uh for a uh a nuclear warhead, including things like uh the exploding bridge wire nuclear detonators, uh the use of uh adaptation of tritium and deuterium isotopes um that would boost the fissile yield of a nuclear warhead.
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  This is what they were working on.
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  Take that in addition to uh the uh the large amount of highly enriched uranium, we're told up to 60 percent.
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  I personally think was probably more, uh, but in the in the range of over 40 what 60 kilograms or so of that highly enriched uranium taken all of that together.
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  I think that is what really made uh the urgency of this decision by Israel and United States.
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  Now, secondly, you know, why is the Iranian regime up against credible threat?
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  I mean, after you know, uh strikes back in uh June uh of 2025, even earlier in uh what April and uh what October of 2024 by Israel and the United States credibility obviously there, why did the regime keep going?
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  Why were they driving continually a deliverable nuclear weapons capability?
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  Why?
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  And I'll tell you in a minute why.
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  And as you're getting into that, because you know, supposedly the president eliminated all the leadership.
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  No, absolutely not.
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  That's what I'm trying to get to.
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  He did not all right.
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  So consequently, that's a very important element because people are under the impression that there is no structure from what I'm gathering from you that there still is structure, that there is still some semblance of a leadership.
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  Yeah, there is there is uh a leftover remnant uh of the Iranian regime.
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  It is headed and and uh uh by the uh by the IRGC.
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  Um we've got uh the parliamentary speaker, Mahmoud Bagar Khalibaf.
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  We've got the new uh secretary of the Supreme National Security Council, Mohammed Bagar uh Zolgader.
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  Uh, I'm looking at my notes here.
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  We've got the IRGC's commander.
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  And those guys are the you can you can give me their names, but what I want to know is is their uh capability and their strength as legal as they were before are they?
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  Not as legal as before, no, not as lethal as before, but uh the intelligence that comes through is that even after the strikes of last year, Operation uh rising lion and um what was ours Midnight Hammer, uh, that the Iranians may have dispersed um its highly enriched uranium among different sites, uh Natans, Isfahan, um Fardeau, maybe, and a place called Pickaxe Mountain, uh deeply buried all of that, but it remained.
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  Um, and so that the threat was still there.
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  Why did they make an attempt to get rid of it before that it was so deep that they couldn't get to all of it?
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  Right.
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  Uh, and as far as I know, Pickaxe Mountain had not yet been uh struck, uh, but Natans is for Han and Fardo had been.
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  Uh, and what is needed are uh, you know, the bunker buster bombs that the United States only has, the GBU 57s, uh, and what would be needed would be um uh a repetitive strike, the first strike uh down a certain uh distance and then another one down the same hole to get to the bottom.
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  All right, no, let me find through.
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  I want to I want to stop you for a minute because as we're a bit limited on time, going back to the the idea that the president has given this deadline, and they've said, go ahead, we're gonna put women and children there.
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  Go ahead and kill women and children.
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  And so, of course, they're hoping that if some horrible action is happens at this deadline, the reverse kickback.
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  Yeah, but not gonna happen.
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  I mean, not gonna happen.
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  So they have to they have to know that something else.
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  I mean, clearly they have to know something else will happen.
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  And what do you expect?
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  Well, what I expect is what I mentioned earlier, and that would be Cart Island.
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  Uh, it would be the two marine expeditionary units deployed to open the Strait of Hormuz, uh, maybe some other sites as well of infrastructure that uh, you know, still somehow keeps the regime uh connected in some measure uh uh, you know, holding on.
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  Um, but but what I wanted to get to before our time runs out here is why they keep going, and the reason that nobody I've heard in the administration even ever talks about, and that is their ideology.
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  These are true believers, these are the most faithful and devout of all Muslims on earth.
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  They are Shi'ite 12, 12, the followers of the 12th Imam, whom they believe to be the Mahdi, the messianic figure of Islam who will come back at the end of time to break the cross, kill the pig, Christians, Jews, uh, and usher in the day of judgment and the end times.
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  Um, and they believe these 12, the ones that I'm I'm naming to you in charge now, the remnant that's still holding on, they believe if they create Armageddon on Earth, literally Armageddon, that the Mahdi will then uh be uh uh accelerated format and the accelerated.
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  All right, so in that prophecy, which you and I've discussed before, that this is that time they're looking at.
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  So they're basically playing chicken, a game of chicken.
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  You think you're tough, go for it.
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  Yeah, they're now remembering playing this game because they believe that if the worst happens, they're doing in their own twenty.
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  They're headed for immortality, right?
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  Well, they're headed for immortality in paradise.
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  All right, but but then you have a whole other part of the country that doesn't necessarily agree with that.
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  You know that you can see by the protest of the people in the country that wanted.
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  Take it back to the 1960s.
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  So how how big is the force of support versus the force of the protest in that country against that ideology?
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  Well, we'll remember uh that both uh Bibi, Prime Minister of Israel, uh, and President Trump have both told the Iranian people stay inside, do not come out just yet.
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  But at the same time, uh, again, we've talked about this around the periphery geographically of Iran, are these ethnic groups, Baluchis, Azaris and Turkmen in the north, Kurds in the Northwest, um, Ahuaz Arabs in the southern uh western part of Iran.
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  They have got weapons, the Mujahide Ni Kult, resistance forces.
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  They are armed.
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  They have been in armed revolt against the water.
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  All right, so you can mention all these names.
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  I'm I'm I'm gonna try to bring it in as we just have a few minutes.
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  I'm what I'm trying to get an image so the audience can hear it and understand it.
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  Are they going to be supportive of the protest and fight to save their country or support those that say we're playing the game?
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  You want to go there?
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  No, the people.
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  There are something about 90 million people, population of Iran.
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  The vast majority of them.
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  Uh, first of all, they're no longer devout practicing Muslims.
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  They have had it up to here uh with religion, period.
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  Uh, but all these minority um ethnic groups, they are armed.
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  And furthermore, being on the periphery, they have got the means to bring weapons in across the border, and they've been doing that.
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  And maybe even according to what President Trump has said, we've been helping uh with that provision of weapons.
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  Um, and so once the people get the go-ahead, they are completely ready to take down this regime.
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  They need help, they need weapons, they need outside support.
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  That seems to be coming together now.
• 32:02
  And we are getting close to that deadline tonight.
• 32:05
  We're very close to it right now.
• 32:08
  What do you expect will happen before tomorrow morning?
• 32:13
  If I think we what do you play it out for?
• 32:16
  We have like five.
• 32:17
  I think I think that uh President Trump will keep to the deadline.
• 32:21
  I think that he will unleash uh attacks closely coordinated with the Israelis.
• 32:27
  Um, and that together those attacks will number one open the straight of hormous.
• 32:33
  Uh and number two, um, attack not bridges covered with women and children or power plants surrounded by uh civilian human shields, no, uh, but other targets intended to uh finish uh debilitating, degrading whatever's left of this Iranian regime.
• 32:52
  Trump has said by midnight tonight, that is U.S.
• 32:56
  Eastern time, uh, that all of this will take place.
• 33:00
  What do you um expect to see from people like the son of the Shah?
• 33:07
  Is he is he sitting down as a person that expects to go back?
• 33:13
  It appears that a majority of the population is kind of iffy about him returning to well.
• 33:19
  We're talking here about, of course, uh Reza Pahlavi, the son of the former Shah ousted in 1979.
• 33:26
  He, along with his family, left Iran in late 1978, not been back to Iran since, has no network or presence on the ground inside of Iran, uh, but has been uh supported by um some in the diaspora here in the United States, Europe, and elsewhere, uh, supported um as uh a unifying figure, perhaps.
• 33:48
  Uh, what his actual intentions are about going back to Iran, not really sure.
• 33:53
  Uh, but again, uh there's no network for him there.
• 33:57
  There's no presence on the ground.
• 33:59
  He he hasn't been there in 47 years.
• 34:02
  You know, Claire, I'm gonna bring on our next guest with us because I I know you know Art Harmon, and he's a wonderful guy.
• 34:10
  He's gonna be coming on full board after this to talk about what's happening in space.
• 34:15
  And he is the president of the coalition to save man space exploration.
• 34:19
  Art can the folks up in up in the space, our wonderful team up there.
• 34:26
  Can they observe what's happening in the world below?
• 34:32
  Well, now we're not getting any sound from art, and I will wait to get that answer because for some reason art is on the QT with us, and when we go to the break, we'll get more information on that.
• 34:44
  But Claire, I'm on the reason I'm curious about that, if there is any kind of explosion that happens, you know, how powerful would that be?
• 34:53
  And you know, the countries nearby, I'm sure the countries that are close to Iran are also quite nervous about all of this.
• 35:01
  What have you heard about uh their reaction to this deadline?
• 35:05
  The ones Well, again, uh as I said earlier, uh, these countries were talking about Saudi Arabia, we're talking about the Emirates, uh, Kuwait, Bahrain, uh, maybe even Oman too.
• 35:15
  Otter, uh, they are on board uh with uh taking down this regime.
• 35:20
  Now they may not be saying that all very publicly, but they are saying it behind the scenes.
• 35:25
  Uh they were attacked uh by Iran.
• 35:28
  They didn't expect that, but that that has unified them in opposition to the Iranian regime, and they are on board uh with the ousting of whatever's left of this regime.
• 35:39
  Claire, uh, with the potential and and hopefully the ousting of this regime.
• 35:45
  Do we have a clue of how a new government regardless of the status of the of the son of the Shah Reza Pahlavi, uh, how this new government will be formed and and what format it would take?
• 35:59
  Will there be a parliament, a presidency, a king?
• 36:02
  What do you expect?
• 36:03
  Well, I do know uh that the NCRI, again, National Council of Resistance of Iran, um, and its uh leadership uh in particular, President elect Mariam Rajavi, headquartered outside of Paris in France, uh, have set out uh a plan, a detailed plan.
• 36:21
  First of all, the 10-point plan published in 2006 that lays out the principles uh by which uh a future government of Iran uh could be governed.
• 36:33
  And they begin with a secular democratic non-nuclear republic.
• 36:39
  Uh they include gender equality, universal suffrage, uh independent judiciary, freedom of assembly in the press and speech, uh, everything that you would see in our own bill of rights.
• 36:50
  Uh, and then there is a six-month plan uh for a transition, which would include the writing of a new constitution and the election, uh free and fair universal suffrage and and we'll follow up with that.
• 37:04
  Can't wait to see what's next.
• 37:06
  Claire Lopez, thank you, my wonderful friend, founder and president of Lopez Liberty to be determined.
• 37:13
  We'll see what happens later tonight.
• 37:15
  And you and I will stick around because now we're gonna get our good friend Art Harmon on.
• 37:20
  He's gonna tell us what's going on in space.
• 37:22
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• 39:23
  Oh, I can't wait to get the segment started because I'm telling you, we've been following the space issue for a long time with my good pal Art Harmon, who is the president of the coalition to save man space and give us the latest on the mission status with this Artemis 2.
• 39:43
  I mean, they are such great guys, but they they have gone to the side of the moon that you and I talked about, I guess what, two years ago, the dark side of the moon.
• 39:53
  Tell us everything.
• 39:55
  Oh my gosh, this is such an exciting uh moment in New York.
• 40:00
  human history really uh we this is only the um the first time since 1972 that any human has seen uh the backside of the earth of the of the moon or even gone to towards the moon so of course in night in the uh 60s and 70s where we had several missions that landed on the moon uh we had the famous Apollo 8 which had the wonderful earthrise photo and while on the other side of the moon as as they uh as they uh uh celebrated uh uh christmas eve uh the astronauts all three of them read from genesis right somebody one of the astronauts did something like that again this time uh but was it philip glover that made the the the the great dedication to his late wife yes i believe so and and said emotional about it yeah oh oh gosh that that was uh wonderful uh wonderfully tragic uh and and tearful for him but uh great moment to be rewarded uh you know with a uh crater in his wife's uh name yeah so so our astronauts uh took off on April 1st there was a picture perfect uh launch and i was there as close as any human is safely allowed to be well i know that because i called you you did yes i called you because i knew you're gonna be there well i'm laughing because you and i have talked about this of the about how long ago it was but the photos this time are they were taken not only from the dark side of the moon but on their cell phones well you know that's iconic of the day and age we're in uh they they had film cameras in the Apollo era and uh and now they've they've got uh you know really powerful digital cameras but yes they got their iPhones and uh perhaps in 10 years 15 years at the most there'll be uh millions of people able to visit the moon people uh like you and I for the price maybe of a luxury cruise and of course we'll have our phone with uh with us too or whatever we have then you you talked about in the past some of the important reasons that the Chinese wanted to see the dark side and you said it was one that potentially there was water and two to be able to create a location where they could plant satellites that would see what was going on all around the world what do we found out from this uh Chinese threat is very real they've tested uh almost all of the elements of their moon rocket um the and they intend to beat us back to the moon we will be landing in early 2028 if all goes well uh and again in later in in 2028 uh so you know as long as we've got President Trump in office during 28 um you know he's not going to succumb to any Chinese threats to uh claim the moon is theirs uh what about a future what about the water issue because you said that was important to find out if there was ice or water on the dark side of the moon is there ice and water on the dark side of the moon well it's actually on the South Pole where there's uh that there's craters that the sun never uh uh shines to the bottom of that for billions of years you've had uh comets that have water in them crashing into that and that is why we're going to be landing on the south pole of the moon to explore those craters because if you've got water you've got water to drink you've got hydrogen oxygen for uh rocket fuel and you've got oxygen to breathe so humanity will be able to live a lot easier on the moon uh in coming uh decades and centuries so they're looking to try to be able to make that happen is that uh in your brain within that time frame of 2028 or 2030 is that when they're trying to think about potentially establishing a what would you call it a space station there uh yes net NASA has committed to building a base on the moon uh and that will be some sort of public private partnership I'm sure SpaceX and others will be involved and yes there will be uh eventually space tourism I think within a decade uh maybe less and uh the the opportunities will of resources on the moon helium three which is one thing the Chinese are particularly interested in is is a useful as an element for fusion uh and they're working furiously as are we on uh fusion for electricity generation uh so that's a little piece of how close are they you know fusion talk about them how close are they on the whole thing on fusion and and and their own you know space advancements uh well they're very close to us on on space they basically steal everything that we do and copy it their moon rocket looks like uh space uh rockets do uh and uh so the the the threat is real how close are we on fusion you know it's always been stated oh we're always 10 years away from having practical fusion but this time we're really advancing to the point in which in less than 10 years I think there will be practical fusion reactors that can provide uh cheap safe energy for the world you know i it's kind of hard to believe that maybe within the next 50 years people will look back on these times is so archaic and and it's gonna be like no big deal to get to the moon and then what's the next plan plan to go to Mars to go to Saturn the you know the the angry red planet uh what's your what's your buzz on that one because you hear everything before anybody else I know you got your insider information well thanks blank Peter and you you're uh you're beyond uh my levels on so many things but uh yes Mars will be the very next thing and Elon Musk made it very clear that uh he wants to have a uh base and and really a colony if you will on Mars and the moon is the perfect place if you're going to go to Mars to learn how to live on another world because the uh it takes uh six to nine months to get to uh Mars you can only return every 26 months you can't just return if there's a problem like you can on the moon so uh is that why is that well you're going a very long distance away of course and and uh you know many uh you know millions of miles so uh but the the way that the orbits work if you're going to go from here to the moon to to Mars you can only do it every 26 months and the same coming back now they're working on what they call nuclear uh uh electric propulsion which can advance that eventually to uh a few months and that will allow wider the uh you know windows whereby you can go to the moon and to the Mars and return within you know maybe a year or maybe every six months so that on the moon for example this is something I've wondered in you know maybe so silly to you but do they have climate issues I mean do they have windstorms do they have rainstorms do they have what would be comparable to a blizzard do they have you know clearly they don't have oceans so uh or maybe there is an ocean on the moon maybe there's what do we know and what don't we know about all of that are there yes uh here here's I'm gonna give you uh the moon and Mars too because they're both similar in many ways and different in many ways.
• 48:38
  So the moon is utterly airless there's no atmosphere to speak of um the extremes of temperature because there's no atmosphere to kind of balance it out right between day and night and so you know you the the the moon basically has a uh a uh two week uh uh day and a two week night uh when you're on it so it gets you know 250 degrees or so Fahrenheit in the day and about uh the same minus at night so extremes of temperature uh there's radiation there's absolutely nothing to stop the radiation there's absolutely nothing to stop micrometeorites and so forth so settlers on the moon people who live there even for a few months on a base they're not going to be uh in a uh you know a bubble dome like we see in the movies no they're they're going to bury their habitats under six feet of dirt wow and that'll give thermal insulation it'll it'll uh protect against radiation and I'll protect against uh uh micrometeorites so uh that'd be they gotta be pretty tough because that would for people that suffer from claustrophobia and you think well oh no you know I could handle it
• 50:00
  But think about it, you couldn't come out for anything because you it it would be impossible.
• 50:06
  So you'd have to be pretty tested.
• 50:09
  Are they doing any kind of testing with the astronauts now to see how they could put up with this is something like out of the old 1960s Twilight Zone?
• 50:18
  Well, well, it is in so many ways.
• 50:20
  And you know, the claustrophobia of wearing a uh a space suit.
• 50:24
  Uh friend of mine, uh Jim Clash with Forbes, he uh he he flew in the U-2 spy plane.
• 50:30
  You have to wear a space suit on that, and a good proportion of the ACE pilots uh who have had tons of experience uh flying other planes when they fly that one with a space suit, some of them wash out because they can't stand the claustrophobia of having a suit.
• 50:47
  So you think about it, they can't go over, do simple things like go to the bathroom, brush your teeth.
• 50:54
  You know, you you're kind of it's limits your ability to kind of maneuver.
• 51:00
  When when you're out on on a spacewalk, just like uh the astronauts do on the space station, it's kind of like an all-day affair, and yeah, you're totally isolated in that.
• 51:10
  Uh, and then you, you know, obviously you can come in from your moon base or the space station and uh and live a relatively normal life.
• 51:19
  Uh it'll be kind of like living in a submarine.
• 51:22
  What would there be atmosphere, at least any potential atmosphere in any of the other planets?
• 51:28
  Mars could have become compatible to live above the ground in any facility that might be made compatible.
• 51:36
  Well, Mars is a little better than uh the moon because it has a little bit of atmosphere.
• 51:42
  You can't take off your spacesuit.
• 51:43
  It's one 100th, the uh the the uh the uh the the air air pressure on earth.
• 51:50
  So you can't breathe it, and it's just carbon dioxide, there's no oxygen.
• 51:54
  Uh so uh so that offers a little bit of protection against radiation, a little bit of protection against micrometeorites, but still you're gonna be living just like you would on the moon in a uh buried uh habitat and with infrequent uh excursions, unless your job is to be outside doing construction.
• 52:15
  So I imagine the view from space of the earth.
• 52:20
  And this was something before we got cut off, you had a little issue with your sound, uh from the from the astronauts looking down on the earth, and I was saying, gosh, you know, here we got this big deadline tonight of the president with Iran.
• 52:33
  How much uh visibility?
• 52:35
  How is it for them looking like a globe, or do they have a better view of the earth than we really think about it?
• 52:42
  I mean, is it less or more?
• 52:45
  Well, you know, when the astronauts are out there as they are today on the moon, um their view of the earth, earth is actually fairly small.
• 52:54
  Think of sort of holding a uh, you know, a basketball or or even uh smaller at arm's length or across the room.
• 53:02
  The the the earth is pretty small, but as they orbit around it, they've seen they saw the earth set, just like the famous Earth Rise photo uh from Apollo 8.
• 53:15
  So they got some beautiful pictures.
• 53:17
  You go to NASA, and you can also go to my uh website, Savemanspace.com and the same Save Mann Space on uh X and Facebook, and I'll be posting some photos of that too.
• 53:30
  So they they get a very unique view that they can see the entire uh Earth in in one glance, which the uh folks on the space station, they're they're only a couple hundred miles up, so that they can only see part of the uh the earth.
• 53:44
  You talked about oh, a couple of years ago, we discussed about China wanting to be able to have the kind of satellites that they could have that would have the range of capability to determine what was going on in places like the United States from the moon.
• 53:59
  Is that still a legitimate concern?
• 54:04
  Yeah, the Chinese uh uh space program is run by their military.
• 54:08
  It's a military space program.
• 54:10
  Their astronauts are often pictured in their military uniforms.
• 54:14
  Uh I saw plans by um uh by China to build a massive radar array on on the moon with you know, like hundred-mile uh antennas that could then map every military asset in the in the world in one revolution of the earth every 24 hours.
• 54:33
  That kind of stuff is scary.
• 54:35
  Yeah, but I'm wondering if we, you know, they steal stuff from us.
• 54:39
  Is that something that we'd want to steal from them to have the same capability?
• 54:42
  Well, they probably stole that technology from us so we can steal it back and use it against them, or at least use it to help defend Earth a little.
• 54:49
  Although we probably got better coverage uh with spy satellites than than they do.
• 54:54
  Uh but uh yeah, it's it it is a uh cat and mouse game perpetually.
• 55:00
  Well, I gotta tell you the one thing I'm hoping to see as the return of looking at at astronauts as heroes, personal heroes, little kids as we were growing up.
• 55:12
  You say, What do you want to be when you grow up?
• 55:13
  You say, I want to be an astronaut, and I'm hoping that this will be a reinvigoration of the space, you know, program and seeing young men and women try to become more interested in and trying to go and get to the final frontier there, which is space.
• 55:33
  Your thoughts.
• 55:34
  Uh, well, you you're you're so correct.
• 55:37
  Uh the um, you know, the the future of space must be open to everyone.
• 55:46
  Uh U.S.
• 55:47
  presence will keep it that way.
• 55:49
  Uh China, uh their their intent is evil.
• 55:54
  It is dominance, just like in the South China Sea.
• 55:57
  And then they've stated this.
• 55:59
  So uh our best uh thing go to the moon, stay on the moon, uh uh, and that will keep it open for a U.S.
• 56:09
  national presence on the moon, will keep it uh safe for commercial and uh and others.
• 56:14
  Art Harmon is always my wonderful friend.
• 56:17
  Thank you so much for joining us here on the National Security Hour on Blanquita Cullum.
• 56:23
  Don't forget to go to Art site, Savemanspace.com.
• 56:28
  Do I have that right?
• 56:29
  Yes, indeed.
• 56:30
  And the same Save Man Space on X and on Facebook.
• 56:33
  I first more stuff on the X.
• 56:36
  That's wonderful.
• 56:37
  Thank you all.
• 56:38
  And we will talk again next week.
• 56:40
  Be safe and look up to the stars.
• 56:43
  You might see some great action.
• 56:45
  I'm blankita com