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Michael Samen Know's All · None of Your Business Podcast

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Do you believe I can read your mind?
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I don't know what you think, but I don't know how you think.
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Did you tell him the name you're thinking of?
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I didn't tell anybody. Really, I perform a lot and they
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say there's no crowd in the world you can't beat after you
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perform for Israelis because Americans come to enjoy the
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show. Israelis come to figure it out.
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None of your business, Oshi. None of Your Business, Michael,
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it's the None of Your Business podcast hosted by Michael and
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Oshi. Welcome back everybody to
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another magical episode of the None of Your Business podcast.
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I'm your host, Michael Greenfield.
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With me, of course, is Co host Ushi Schwartz.
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And today we have an amazing human being, a mentalist,
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someone who already knows what this podcast is going to be all
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about. So I'm not even sure why we're
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doing it. Michael Saymon, everybody,
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welcome to the program. Thank you for having me.
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Well, I, I, I know what's going to happen, but they don't.
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So, so we might as well do this. We just do it.
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We do it for the people. We're going to pack it in.
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Of course, we thank all our subscribers, our listeners, the
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comments. We've been growing Ushi every
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theme with who we are and what our podcast is about.
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And that's growth oriented personally and professionally
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We're we're doing something right.
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Yeah, yeah, I'm loving it. It's great.
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We're learning a lot of the podcast, meeting a lot of cool
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people, and people are along for the journey, so it's fantastic.
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Yeah, we appreciate all of our listeners and subscribers.
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You like that you're going to run with this magical thing all
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day. Aren't.
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You. It's magically delicious.
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That's the second time. Yes, I'm I'm excited we actually
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have some people in the audience today that are real big fans and
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aspiring magicians and mentalists.
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So it's amazing to see you and thank you so much for joining us
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again. We met in Israel.
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And when we met you're, you're not aware of this, that you had
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just done something, you know, you fooled someone that we knew
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like an hour before. And I was watching the video and
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I'm like, Oh my God, this guy is great.
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And I'm with my friend Joe. And suddenly we see you and I'm
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like, you got to do that. It's all over again I.
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Think, I think I'm very aware, just because I'm aware to all of
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these details. I've done it on Rabbi Lawrence
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Rabbi. Lawrence, that's right, that's
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right. There we go and Asan Moshe
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Simcha and then you did it on Joe Sutton, who was with me and
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you'll. Be surprised how many how many
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people I I actually remember. I remember faces really, really
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well. I don't always remember names,
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but I remember locations where I met them how and things like
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that. So it's like when you say I met
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you, I know exactly who I met that day.
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Yeah, I'm curious. I have so many questions.
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And also one of the things I did this time is I asked our
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audience what questions they would have for you, and we
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selected the top few questions that they gave us.
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I did this through status. I didn't do it through any other
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social media platform, but I got a lot of responses.
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One of the questions that's hitting me right now is what is
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the craziest response you ever got from someone that you did a
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trick on? Street stuff or stage?
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Stuff. Any anything.
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Tell me anything. I think the most there's like
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the most moving ones and the most enjoyable ones for people
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to watch on on social media. Yeah, tell me both.
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I think the most special one was when I had people, when I have
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people cry, it's so deep, so emotional.
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So like special something that relates to, let's say a, a dead
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person they thought of or something happened because they
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thought of someone like that. And they, they literally start
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crying. And it's like me as, as the
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performer, I'm like, Oh my God, I just moved someone.
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And I think that's very, very special as a performer.
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And then there is of course, the ones that I just love when
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people go crazy, they just run away.
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They're, they're like, Oh my God, some people like they
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curse, they curse, they curse. It's like the end of the video,
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like beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.
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You know, it's like it just doesn't end.
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And I, I absolutely love it. That's great.
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That's so you know, you did a good job for sure.
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We have a little segment, by the way, called Chachi PT says what
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about you? All right, Have you ever done a
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Chachi PT on yourself? No, but I don't know if Chachi
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PT knows me enough, but let's go.
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I love that. What do you think it's going to
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say about you? If you had to guess one thing,
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what would Chachi PT say about you?
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I'm not sure I don't I don't know cuz I I have a it's funny
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cuz I know it been times what people would say about me.
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You know what I'm thinking right?
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Machine would know, you know, right?
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You know how people work. You don't know how machines
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work. OK, I like that.
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So you started doing magic at 10, the age that most kids are
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discovering sports, you're discovering psychological
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warfare. That's the first thing that
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Chachi PT says. OK.
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That's not bad, Not bad. I started when I was 9, nine,
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yes, OK. And I actually, I started
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naturally as a mentalist, got into magic as a result.
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And only after 2-3 years in magic, I was, I was directed
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back into mentalism. I was told you can do proper
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mentalism, wanting to do that, and that's where I shifted back
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into proper mentalism. I'm going to love learning the
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difference between magic and mentalism and so on.
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Definitely when you were nine, just real quick, what was your
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first thing you did? How did this come to you?
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So I. Basically I got into, you know
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this. There's a very simple trick
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where you put down 4 cards, 4 card like rows of four, and you
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ask people to choose a card and then you say what row is it in
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and then you collect them. You spread them the opposite
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way, so that way the cards crossed.
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Right, it's the by process of elimination.
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Right. So basically you know this one
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and then you know that one, then you know was carded every.
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Kid learns. Them and I didn't know that's
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how it was done in the beginning and I was able to do that
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immediately just they looked at a car.
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I was able to look at the room and just at the person thinking
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of the card and was able to tell him what card they were thinking
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of. And only then I learned it was a
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trick there. There was a trick to it, but I
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was doing it with a with proper mental of just like looking at
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people. Of course I wasn't as good as I
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am today. He he developed a lot.
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I always say it's like being musical.
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It's like the fact that your musical doesn't make you Mozart,
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right. You need to study notes.
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You have to study rhythm, you have to study many, many things
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in order to perfect the talent OR the ability you already have.
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It's not just like one day I get up and I'm able to read people.
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So it's. That's pretty cool.
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So you think you let, I mean, you know that you have like a
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natural inclination of reading people and you knew that as a
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young age. Then you adapted that and built
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on your skills. I didn't know that like 100%.
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I was like, OK, I assume that's how you do magic.
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It naturally pulled me into the how do people react to the to
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it, how cool it is. And slowly, slowly I shift.
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I got into magic because I didn't know the difference
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between mentalism and magic. I was like magic mentalism.
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I didn't know what's mentalism. How would you define in one
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sentence the difference between magic and mentalism?
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I would say magic is sleight of hand, making you, let's say.
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If I do, let's say I do that right, so many people would
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naturally look where I look, right?
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So I'm getting you to look a certain place where when
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something else happens in a totally different place,
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distraction, right? And then mentalism, I would say
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it's more like a magic of the brain.
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So it's how you think what you think influencing you to think a
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certain way. That's in like 2 words.
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OK, OK, perfect. I love that he doesn't read
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minds. He just steers into your soul.
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Until your childhood secrets volunteer themselves.
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Wow. So before we started, you did
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ask Oshe a question, right? And we'll get to that soon.
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Sure. And I'm thinking that you can
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embarrass people sometimes, I guess, Right?
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Does that happen? I had situations, yes, that
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happened on stage where I asked people to, I could cut this out
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by the way, if it doesn't fit the podcast, but I, I don't want
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to fit the podcast. Think of a, think of the name of
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a name they their first cross, their first love.
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It actually happened again like 2-3 weeks ago and it happened to
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be same gender. And it was very tricky how to
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reveal it or not to reveal it because when I asked them,
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what's the name you were thinking of, these said a
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different name. They said it was a woman.
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She said a male's name, but I for sure saw a female's name
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like I was. I was sure that was the name.
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So it's very tricky how to reveal it.
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They said but you actually thought of a different name as
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well. That was maybe your second love
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or something like that. I'll just show you if it is
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agree or don't agree to disagree.
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Like if to show the audience and I showed it to her.
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You're like completely in shock. I put it down and we kept going.
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So no one knows. No one knows, but it was.
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That's unreal. That is scary.
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You were so confident that you told her quietly, right?
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What it was Because it's it's. Fascinating.
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So usually there's two ways I'll reveal stuff.
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Sometimes I'll write something down, I'll show it to the
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audience and I'll reveal it before they say the answer.
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So what's the name you're thinking of, for example?
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And then sometimes I won't show it to the audience and I'll say
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what's the name you're thinking of?
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And then I'll reveal it only after they say so.
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It depends also how sure I am or what's the age of the crowd.
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So for example, when I do pay stock programs or things like
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that, you have many kids in the audience and it's very different
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to the corporate events I do. So when I do a corporate event,
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I know and I'll show something. No one is yelling the name.
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It's right. But when you deal with kids only
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you need to be aware of the kid is going to yell before he says
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the name. You ruined the.
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He might divulge it, yeah. Move through a another another
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question we got asked from one of our audience members is one
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of our fans, I should say is did you ever really get it wrong and
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like mess up and you're like, Oh my God, like what was that like
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for you? Yes, first of all, it happens.
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It happens not as much nowadays, but I feel that first of all,
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the, the, the, you know, the excitement of being able to to
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be wrong very exciting. It's like, it's like some people
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go get their adrenaline jumping off a Cliff.
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I take the risk of messing up on stage.
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I think in the beginning I used to be very nervous about being
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wrong, but slowly, slowly, you realize that you it's much First
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of all, I have no problem saying, oh, I was wrong if I was
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wrong. And the second thing is if I
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trying to think there is a tricky thing where sometimes
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magicians do it a lot, mentalists do it as well where
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you do as if you have a mistake and it's a dip, right?
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And then you basically recover and you get it right Now it's
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much stronger than before cuz you had that dip.
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It almost makes it look like a part of the ACT.
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So at this point, meaning after years of performing, I learned
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that the performance is many times about making it look like
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there's a dip or things like that, and that's much stronger.
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The effect is much stronger. With that said, you could
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actually get it wrong and you messed up what happens.
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With somebody that lies to you like they're just being very
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stubborn, you know, that is probably the name.
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That's a cool question, by the way.
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And then the person just says, no, it was that's wrong.
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How do you How do you prove it? I perform a lot.
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I performed a lot in Israel and I still do when I I try a lot
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back and forth. And they say there's no crowd in
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the world you can't beat after you performed for Israelis
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because they're they're smart. They're they're not like smart.
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They're, they're very direct. They're very.
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They try the Americans come to enjoy the show.
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Yeah, Israelis come to figure it out, which is totally fine, but
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they they come and they try fooling you as well.
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So you need to learn how to perform in that way.
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So it's like, let's say I'll ask someone to think of a name.
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They think of a name, I'll tell them, OK, usually I won't ask
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you to write it down or anything, but then I'll ask you
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to just write it down on a big board.
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Now they can't change their mind, even if it's even if they
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want to change their mind inside 123, we both turn it over.
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Yeah, I so it's ways ways you figure out how to deal with
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different crowds. Love that chat.
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GPD doesn't have that much to say I guess yet.
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But there are two more things that are interesting.
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Corporate gigs love you and that's what it's saying.
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Nothing bonds executives like publicly being outsmarted by a
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man in a hat. So tell me about your corporate
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gigs. Also another great question that
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we've gotten, which is what was your biggest performance ever
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that you've done so far and what are you dreaming of?
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What's that one performance that you're saying I want to do XY
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and Z? So I'll start with the first
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one. Why, why, why corporate?
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Why corporate events and why people love it.
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And I do know that I'm doing a good job is I love personalizing
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my show. I really, really take the time
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to personalize my show. Even when it's not a corporate
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event. I do like, let's say it's a
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birthday party, I'll make it about the person having the
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birthday party. When it's a corporate event,
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I'll make it about the company. So let's say they have they're
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the name of the company. They have a certain values the
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company goes by. Let's say they have, I don't
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know, certain products or certain things.
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Or when I am see an event, they have certain pieces of
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information they want to bring up and make them not boring.
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So that's where I would say I shine, where even other
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performers, other mentalists or other magicians aren't able to
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do it the same way that I do it, because I really make it about
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the client and it's not about me, it's about them.
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So that's the first thing. The second thing is you ask
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what's the biggest crowd or what's the biggest stuff?
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I performed for crowds over 2000 people.
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Smallest crowd I ever performed at was I think four people.
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You got 4 corporate event. Yes, really.
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Corporate event, Four people, all four of them, they landed
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with a helicopter. They had a dinner with a chef
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and I performed and based. I didn't even know that.
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I wasn't able to get any information beforehand or
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anything about who am I performing to?
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I thought. Where was this?
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It was in, in, how do you call it, in Tiberius and wow, up
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north, the very they'd had like a whole type of day, like on
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their helicopter. Then they came, they had like a
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chef and me. It was like a very.
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Obviously it's very high end people and they probably wanted
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to have discretions. They didn't give you any real
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information. Yeah, for sure.
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But I, I have many, many clients like that that I can't really
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talk about or things like that that are more like VIP.
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You fly into a secret island, right?
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You perform. You.
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You land, you take a boat, you perform.
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You've actually done that and. You use stuff like that, you've
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landed. I've done, I've done weird stuff
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like that. What's the craziest thing like
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you're saying already things that are shocking me like so
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being able to I'm trying to think like of a place that I've
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done. I've done a place in Turkey.
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I Flint Turkey. That wasn't, that wasn't like a
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border or anything, but it was just like a very specific
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experience I had. I had an experience actually
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with a chef from Bahrain where I met in in Tel Aviv in Kombinski
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Hotel, which of course it's owned by their family.
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Their family I didn't. Know that.
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So it is. Yeah.
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Wow. And then I met him again here in
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New York and whatever, there's like certain certain settings
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and certain things where it's like, oh, it's me and my wife
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would love to have like a dinner and performance with you or
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stuff like that. It's like really weird
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situations and I love it. It's like it makes you really
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think, OK, so I have this really weird situation.
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I used to perform in front of like 100 people, 200 a 1000,
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whatever it is. And that is like suddenly, wow,
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it's a it's a weird, it's a weird experience, but I love.
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It Do you have a dream of doing a larger audience?
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Is that something you think about?
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It's a tricky, it's a tricky one because I love, love, love the
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small events. I love like 30-40 fifty people
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events and I also love the huge events, but they're very, very
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different. When you're very different when
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you perform on a big stage, you basically it's a show that you
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can't expect any interaction, right?
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You're far away from the audience.
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Even though I do run to the audience, I bring people out.
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I do things with the whole audience, but it's not the same
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as when you're sitting in a room and someone just next to me is
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like, no, no, do this. Why that it's very it's it's,
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it's very different. Yeah, of course it's a.
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Little Yeah, I'm, I'm curious. Another great question we got
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here, and this is actually, I believe, from Robbie Lawrence.
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I don't know if I'm supposed to give away who's asking the
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question, but I I don't think he'll mind.
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You know, there are two other, I'm going to say other.
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You're in that group, popular mentalists that are out there
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right now making some noise along with you, of course, Lior
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Suchard and Oz Perlman. What, if anything, is different
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from you and them, and how are they different from each other
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and you? I think they're both much older
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than me. They're both 43 or 4440.
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I think they're both 43. How old are you?
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I'm 28. Wow.
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I'm much younger than. Not much younger than I look,
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but I am younger than many times what people.
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Assume yeah, you carry yourself a little older than that.
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It's a compliment. It's a maturity.
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Yeah, Israelis the. Very experienced, you know, with
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a lot of stature, like, yeah. Happens and we start doing it,
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yeah, we start traveling and doing what I do.
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But what I would say would be the big difference probably.
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I wouldn't say they're old fashioned.
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They're amazing and I love their work and I and I know them
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personally. I know Leor more than Oz
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personally. I think each one has their style
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as well. I don't think I'm either of
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them. I think I'm a combination of
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both. I have like a little bit of each
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one and I and there's depth even to how and what we do.
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So I see a difference in how we perform and what we do.
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But I would say I'm I love social media and it's another
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part I know that if I wouldn't be doing what I do, I would
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still do social media. And I found that for me, a
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connection with live people is the most fascinating thing and
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fun thing that I could do to myself.
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Of course it does publicity and you grow and whatever.
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But I really found that at some point I start performing and you
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find yourself performing on stages every other night or
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whatever, and you just, you don't have the same interactions
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you used to have in the beginning where it's as pure as
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it gets. And at some point I, I spoke to
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my team and one of them said, why don't you just do the street
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stuff again? And whatever I said, sure, I
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would love to let's, let's do it.
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And we made it happen. And since then I've been like,
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really like, I, I love doing it because of the connection.
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You really connect to people on the street.
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You go out, you do it. Do you believe I could read your
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mind? My, my favorite slide, people
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come up to me on the street. Do you believe I could read your
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mind? And I'm like, yes, I, I, I made
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sure that it's stuck and, and, and, and the connection you
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really connect with so many different people.
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If you go on my on my Instagram, you just scroll every single
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video could be like Jewish, non Jewish, white, black from every
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culture. It's absolutely amazing to
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experience. I'm.
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Really happy for you. This is a great life to live
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connecting with people everyday. I mean, if you, you mentioned a
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minute ago you love social media.
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So I'm assuming that would mean that if you weren't doing this,
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you'd be doing something in marketing.
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I used to do real estate before I even done mentalism full time.
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I used to do it basically I just mentalism since I'm a kid, but I
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used to do real estate in Israel and I went to study business
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specializing in real estate and construction.
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So basically that was my path. That was what I'm I was doing.
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I dealt with construction and then at some point basically
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COVID time. That was a blessing for me and
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everyone was stuck at home. Start posting things on social
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media randomly. Then things started exploding.
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Had many, many requests for like Zoom shows and things like that.
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And it was like, you know what, let's give it a try.
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And things are different since then.
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Let's go down that road of your past because you know, now that
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we know how old you are, I see you have a ring on your fingers.
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So you're married. I am beautiful.
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How's the how? What's your relationship like?
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How do you live with someone who pretty much knows what you're
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thinking? How do you like, you know, keep
21:28
secrets? How do you how do you navigate
21:31
that? I mean how does?
21:32
She keep secrets? How does she keep secrets
21:34
exactly? That's what I meant.
21:35
Sorry. I just like what's the what's
21:37
it's going to be annoying that if someone always has all the
21:39
answers and you know, and always knows everything.
21:41
I've heard this before by the way.
21:42
People marry like therapists like, oh, don't, don't over
21:44
therapy me, right? This must be 10 times crazier.
21:47
Like I'm not your patient. You know I'm your wife.
21:49
I know what you're thinking. Yeah, but first of all, it's the
21:52
best for her. I just sit on the couch.
21:54
She's like wash the dishes. And I'm like, I no, I don't.
21:58
It would be great. No, but she's she's first of
22:00
all, my wife. She's amazing.
22:02
She she does so much with me and and for me we travel a lot
22:07
together and I don't think she expected to do this journey with
22:11
me. We did have a kid 8 months ago
22:15
so we many many things shifted. Now I'm based here in the US, I
22:20
live in the city. I want to do a little mentalist
22:22
on you right now. Go for it.
22:23
I'm going to guess if it was a boy or a girl because you didn't
22:25
mention it, You didn't say anything, but I'm going to do it
22:27
based on what you said. And like in your body language,
22:30
you had a girl. I did not.
22:33
It was a 5050. It was a 50.
22:34
Your day job please. You know why I said that?
22:38
You know why I said it was a girl?
22:39
My guess was most time people have a boy, they say, oh, I
22:42
recently had a boy and when they have a girl is I recently had a
22:45
kid. It's just, it's strange.
22:46
It happens a lot that way. People say they had a kid and
22:49
it's typically a girl. So one of the things you need to
22:51
be aware of that is first of all, I, I'm originally from
22:53
Israel. So my first language language is
22:56
I did speak English at home as a first language, but I grew up in
22:58
in an Israeli culture and mentalism in general needs to
23:02
remember it's it it's a lot. I don't know what you think, but
23:06
I don't know how you think. So how you how you'll respond to
23:08
certain things, how you'll do certain things.
23:11
And The funny thing about it is that different cultures have
23:14
different gestures for different things.
23:17
For example, this means thumbs up.
23:19
Yes, of of OK, right, you'll go Iran.
23:23
This is bad. It's no go, right?
23:25
Or I don't know, for example, personal space, right?
23:29
Personal space. In here, people have lots of
23:33
space when they talk to each other.
23:35
Different cultures are much closer.
23:37
Then you'll have other things. Let's say smiling.
23:41
Smiling is a good thing, Russia, It's not a good thing.
23:44
It means much more intimate, right?
23:46
Or handshakes. So much to do with handshakes.
23:51
What does it mean? Or, or let's say in in like,
23:54
people really, really judge how strong you.
23:57
Firm handshake do. You of both hands do you put
23:59
your hand on the elbow? How do people react So Americans
24:03
they properly they give a proper handshake right.
24:06
In Arab cultures many times it means like I want to be in more
24:10
like power or stuff like that. So you need to be very careful
24:12
not to go for your like very firm handshake and to be aware
24:16
that body language also changes with different cultures.
24:19
So in one culture, let's say staring at someone, it like we
24:25
feel many times it's like I'm honest and I speak the truth
24:28
because I'm staring at you and whatever.
24:30
But then you go to Asian countries and staring at someone
24:33
means rude or disrespectful to certain things.
24:37
So many things that change in different cultures, you got to
24:41
perform in a different country. Things could be totally
24:43
different and you have to be aware of it if you don't want
24:45
to. So you.
24:46
Have to study all this. You have to learn all the
24:48
different things. I'd love to learn more.
24:49
Give me some more of that. I mean, these are great
24:51
examples. I mean, for sure, it's good to
24:54
know. I'm saying like, you know.
24:56
You want to apply to become a Mentalist student?
24:58
No, I just want to know. I just want to know about this
25:00
Russia. I would tell you.
25:01
What he does, but it definitely, it definitely helps in business.
25:03
I think helping in business with like learning a lot about
25:07
mirroring and things how people react or how to behave, when to
25:11
make the sale or what to do. I have a few companies that when
25:14
I brought in to perform, they said we want you to perform.
25:18
But would you be able to help us with like the marketing team or
25:22
or explain to the marketing more things about like how to answer,
25:27
what to say, how not to say, how to behave?
25:30
Can you tell us something? I'd love to hear what you.
25:32
So I find one thing that I love and it's very.
25:35
It's much easier to understand as an example.
25:37
So for example, we all say, so if someone's doing this, that
25:43
means they're closed and whatever.
25:44
So it is true many times. You need to be aware also of the
25:48
way. Their arms are folded.
25:49
Their arms are folded. Yeah, they're closed or they're
25:51
like they cover themselves or whatever.
25:54
But let's say you sit in a meeting or or like in an
25:57
interview and then the person across is closed.
26:02
But as the conversation goes along, they do open themselves
26:06
like to the conversation. And then you realize that
26:10
they're still closed like they're they're because they're
26:12
not going to like suddenly move right?
26:13
They're they're shy or whatever. And the, the way you'll react
26:18
with your body makes a difference on how you'll receive
26:21
things or respond right. So let's say they say before
26:23
walking up on stage many times, just stay in, stand in a what do
26:26
you call a Superman position gives it makes you naturally, it
26:31
convinces your brain to think that you're like you, you.
26:34
How do you call it? You, you have lots of space in
26:38
the room, you're much more confident and then it helps with
26:41
the the with your presentation. So you want to do that in
26:46
business as well. So for example, let's say
26:48
you're, if you do that right, if you close, close your stuff for
26:51
a second. And then I have, let's say a
26:53
conversation with you about in personal in order for you to
26:55
open and want to share something personal.
26:58
And there's crazy statistics about it.
27:00
Let's say a waiter that would come to a table and would
27:04
present himself with his own name, right, his name or give a
27:09
personal piece of information. He'll, he'll get tipped like 80%
27:14
more like 80% of the times will get tipped more than the than
27:19
someone that just comes over and takes your order or does that
27:22
when you volunteer information, right.
27:23
So it's really important so well, I'll tell someone I don't
27:27
know. So hey, my name is Michael.
27:29
Yes, I'm actually from there. Or voluntarily, right.
27:32
And then I'll, I'll crack some jokes or what?
27:35
I will have fun in the conversation, but I still see
27:37
they're, they're like naturally their bodies closed.
27:39
I say, do you mind? Do you mind just passing me that
27:42
pen for a second? And then I'll, I'll stay in a in
27:46
a open position and then when they come back, they'll usually
27:49
they'll mirror me. So it's like mirroring is
27:52
really, really important. So there's many tricks like that
27:55
that you could use in business and do I don't really do that so
27:59
much and and like in in going and teach businesses that.
28:04
But it's definitely something I think every person should
28:07
definitely learn more about, about language and how to have
28:11
human interactions. There's very simple things that
28:13
you could do that would change your entire life and
28:16
interaction. It's like a chaplain, Michael, I
28:18
feel very similar talk. Remember that guy that was here
28:22
and he's, you know, very astute? And are you aware of people's
28:26
body language and trying to maneuver a situation to
28:30
stabilize it? You know, and he's reading
28:32
people's temperature and he's reading, you know, and he's
28:34
trying to see how to approach it next.
28:37
Am I to understand that mentalism has got nothing to do
28:41
with magic, right? This is all real, right?
28:44
None of this is an illusion. None of this is a sleight of
28:47
hand. It's really an art form where
28:51
you're developing the skill over time in how the human brain
28:55
typically works. And you're applying a lot of
28:58
that logic to come up with the, with the answers, right?
29:02
And ultimately the, the, the craft of doing, of doing
29:08
mentalism is something that people can learn over time,
29:12
right? It's something that you can, you
29:13
can teach someone else to do. They may not be very good at it
29:15
and there's going to be different levels, but this is
29:18
really just like, you know, a trait that you can, you can
29:20
teach almost like a detective, like a detective, like no one
29:23
wakes up 1 morning and they become a very good detective
29:25
over time. You have experiences and you
29:27
learn different things to look out for, right?
29:29
Is that am I? Am I right?
29:30
Yeah, so there there is like a bit of a different there is
29:33
there is the natural part where you feel natural.
29:36
Oh, I feel like a certain urge that something many times when
29:40
you walk into a room or whatever and you see someone and they're
29:43
sad or happy, you'll naturally be able to say, oh, they're
29:46
happy or they're sad, right. And you won't necessarily know
29:49
to explain what you're seeing, but you just know, right.
29:53
And I feel that I know to explain it like I know what are
29:57
the towels that I'm looking for and whatever.
29:59
So it's it's a lot about So first of all, I do combine magic
30:04
and what I do once in a while and I do and I do that because
30:09
in the end of the story, I am AI chose the the route of
30:12
performing. So it's not like I could have
30:16
gone to, I don't know, sit in meetings watching people.
30:18
And I had that many times offered to to just like, why
30:21
don't you come and sit with me in the meeting, watch the other
30:24
side. Have like any, any, any like
30:27
insight about the meeting where they go lower, higher by with
30:30
their price? And I would say that I never
30:36
wanted to go to that direction because things could go really
30:39
dark and weird. And I always try being on the
30:42
positive thing. So I would, I always say I'm on
30:45
the positive, positive side of things.
30:48
And so it's like making people happy and laughing and
30:52
performing. So as a performer, I would
30:56
combine anything and everything I could in order to make my
30:59
performance the best. So I would combine magic if I
31:03
need to or if I need to get out of situation.
31:05
By the way, what we spoke about, if I do mess up or something,
31:08
many times I'll do a trick where I could switch something to make
31:12
it look natural, but I'll actually use a trick.
31:18
And is it something that everyone could actually learn
31:20
and become? I think everyone could improve
31:22
and ability to read people more, like more of their boundaries,
31:25
more of their expression, more stuff like that.
31:28
But I would say that it it, it took me like years and years and
31:33
years to like perfect, Yeah, what I do.
31:36
Yeah, I don't mean to diminish. Yeah, yeah.
31:37
No, no, no, no. Other people could probably do
31:39
I. Don't feel it's like it's
31:40
diminishing I I. What's like the go to move for a
31:43
mentalist? I know like they can try to
31:44
guess the name, but you're thinking they could try to guess
31:46
the number that you're thinking right.
31:48
They may even, you know, they'll get you to say something, you
31:52
know, and like what's the versatility of this?
31:56
Like is it the same 5-6 things that you can do over and over
31:58
and that's your show, or can you keep adding new creative things
32:02
of? So first of all, my my show has
32:04
maybe once or twice that I guess names I don't usually like.
32:09
I do guest names throughout and I just do it randomly.
32:12
But my show is completely different than what you see on
32:15
social media because I realized that when I start performing
32:18
more and more, posting more and more on social media, I realized
32:22
that other people take your, take your routines, take your
32:26
content. And I see even famous people do
32:28
that. And I realized that what do I
32:32
care? I'll stick to my few things that
32:35
I do post. And then when you come to my
32:37
show, my show is completely different and it's a few levels
32:41
up, but it stays mine. And that's the experience you
32:44
get. That isn't the social media
32:45
experience. It's the experience you get in
32:47
my show and to you ask something just before that.
32:53
You do you keep adding new things?
32:54
Like do I keep adding new come up with new material?
32:56
So, so like I said, I, I specifically I, I because I
33:01
personalized my show for clients and things like that.
33:04
I'm always thinking about how do I do something?
33:06
Oh, there's a cop. What could I do with a cop?
33:08
What could I do with that? What could I do with this?
33:10
There's always like a constant thing, let's say for guessing
33:12
names and things like that. So if I tell you go back in
33:15
time, go to your childhood, maybe first grade, 2nd grade,
33:17
3rd grade and think of a person, right?
33:19
So when they say that to an audience, so some people already
33:22
have it right, some people are thinking about it that second,
33:25
or you could think of someone as well, but now just that it's
33:29
fair. Did did you tell them the name
33:31
you're thinking of? I didn't tell anybody.
33:33
OK is there is there a way I could possibly know?
33:34
Did you tell me the name? Now, just to be clear for
33:37
everybody that's watching this, you asked me before we started.
33:39
I told you, I told you because you're going to sit there.
33:41
I want I want to think of a name.
33:42
Any, any person. Now you thought of a name.
33:44
Yes. Could you think, let's say of
33:47
the amount of letters in the name, but don't say it out loud.
33:49
Just think of the name. Don't do it with your fingers.
33:55
Otherwise it's now you can do it behind your back.
33:57
You have it. Yeah.
34:01
OK, I'm going to go look at this 1-234-567-8910 thinking of a
34:07
longer name, about 6 letters I would say.
34:09
Should I answer yes just to see that I mean tell?
34:12
You how many letters? If I'm right, it's close.
34:15
OK, I would go ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ is
34:27
there AU in the name? There is, there is.
34:30
OK, Now you before thinking of that person you said maybe I'll
34:33
go I'll think of someone else. I did.
34:35
And then you change your mind. I did.
34:36
And then you locked in on that person, right?
34:39
Yes. That's why many times I'll tell
34:40
people think of someone because it takes a really long time to
34:43
think of someone. Yeah.
34:45
So you have someone. I'm gonna go look at this.
34:48
ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ. You're thinking of a male, is
34:58
that right? Yes, right now.
35:00
He's in love with a male, OK. No, no, it's not his first love.
35:04
I don't think of someone from his from.
35:06
A friend. A friend of friend from
35:07
childhood passing a mess. Let's say I'm I'm said you did
35:15
think of someone beforehand, right?
35:16
Yes, I thought of someone for like a few seconds, then I
35:20
changed it to someone else. I don't know.
35:22
Because he said you shouldn't think of something so.
35:24
Common, but I wasn't sure if the other person was really third
35:27
grade for so that's why I don't. Know it might be totally off but
35:29
I'm just I'm just trying my best.
35:32
What's the name you're thinking of?
35:34
Which one, the first one or the second one?
35:36
No, the first you actually decide to go with.
35:38
The side to go with Yes, Molly. Really.
35:42
Oh my God. Now by the way, you were wrong
35:44
because is this how you spell it?
35:46
Yes, because it's 6 letters. Oh, it is 6.
35:49
It is 6 No 5. That's the.
35:52
That's five in my head, that's why.
35:54
That's why, that's why that's the the risk I'm taking.
35:57
So for example, when you said no, I'm like, no, but, but I'm
36:00
seeing, I'm seeing 6 letters. Should I go for the six letters
36:04
or should I try again and go for a different name?
36:05
You see, I'm like, live. So I think it lets you.
36:08
I made it harder. Yes, and it's A and it's a.
36:10
Do you know the name of the first person that I was thinking
36:12
of? No, that's for the next podcast.
36:14
The next podcast. Walk me through this.
36:17
Like how does this happen? Like how is this possible?
36:20
So because there's obviously hundreds and hundreds of names
36:23
and there's many, many names that have 6 letters and what did
36:26
I do? What did I say?
36:27
Like how did you pick up on the cues?
36:32
So I'm fishing for information similar to when I tell it to
36:35
think to count, count the numbers of letters or things
36:38
like that. I see.
36:38
Oh, you just had a pause. You just thought it is, is it 5
36:42
or is it 6? But I do know it is in the range
36:45
of like 5 or 6. How did you know the range of 5
36:47
or 6? Because the time it takes is
36:48
someone that thinks of three letters.
36:50
For example, if I have objects on the table, let's say I have
36:53
three and two right to your brain could let's say 5 objects.
36:57
My brain could combine three and two.
36:59
It's like 03 and 2 2/5 or two and two, four, or I just see
37:04
three. But once you go over 5, there is
37:07
let's say 5 or 6. Now you start thinking that's
37:09
like I have 6. It's like, wait, it's 3:00 and
37:14
3:00 or it's just the whole thing.
37:16
It depends. Also different people would
37:17
think differently. But let's say with something
37:19
like that, that's like, I see how long it takes to let's say
37:23
you said if you would have said yes, I would say, OK, you're
37:27
thinking of a four, three letter name.
37:29
I know it's a short one. That's where I'm going for next.
37:32
And then when they say the alphabet.
37:33
I'm. But that narrows it down to
37:34
still a lot of names. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
37:36
For. Sure.
37:36
And there's so many names, right Michael?
37:38
I'm 7 letters, right? And then there is certain
37:43
letters that I'm able to say. I can sense a certain letter
37:46
when I say the alphabet you meaning.
37:48
Throughout is there a letter U in there?
37:50
What led you to ask me that? There's.
37:51
Certain things you'll, you'll gesture with certain names that
37:54
I'll be able to do right to like certain letters would bounce out
37:58
much more than other letters and things like that that I'll be
38:00
able to work with. And then, for example, I also I
38:04
do a lot of like things with memory, you know, let's I, I
38:08
didn't plan on doing this. Let's let's do it for fun.
38:10
I'm just out of challenge. Do you have your phone on you?
38:13
I do. So do you use ChatGPT a lot?
38:16
Of course, we all use ChatGPT. We ask you questions, right?
38:19
You ask me some questions in the beginning, yes, just for fun.
38:21
I'll, I'll, I, I'll give an example to things I work and,
38:26
and try meaning the things I practice and I and I try
38:29
learning more and more in order to be able to perfect my skill.
38:32
So, for example, I don't know, ask ChatGPT now it's your chat
38:36
ChatGPT. It's not mine.
38:37
We can't possibly know what's the what it is.
38:40
It's going to answer right, right.
38:42
Could you ask ChatGPT to give you, let's say I don't know, 15
38:46
random? Objects.
38:49
OK, give me 15 random objects all right.
38:55
Does it give you have? 15 random objects.
38:57
A rubber duck with trust issues. A slightly bent paper clip.
39:01
OK, so it gives you, it gives you the like like an object and
39:07
a little bit more about it exactly.
39:09
So let's narrow it down. Ask him to not give you like
39:12
the. Just just an object.
39:13
It's using my your previous. It does hate how I behave
39:16
exactly for sure. I always ask it to give me more.
39:20
Just the object please. Sure.
39:23
OK, so 15 objects. Just the object with paper clip
39:25
notebook flash. OK, so before, before you even
39:27
say yeah. So just that it's fair.
39:28
Could you see anything in my ear?
39:30
I don't have an earpiece. I don't have anything.
39:32
No one's telling me anything. There's no like, I'm not a
39:34
glasses or anything. I'm not.
39:35
Pick up your hat. Let's check on the yes.
39:37
Definitely. By the way, I'm not bored.
39:40
Of like most. People that wear hats, you
39:41
typically are hiding something. I know, but I'm not.
39:44
I'm just good for you. But by the way, my hat says
39:48
what's on your mind can see there and I didn't ask them to
39:51
put this in. I bought it like this and a few
39:55
months in I was like, oh, that's cool.
39:57
What's on your mind? That's really, really cool.
39:58
I guess on my mind there's. Hats.
40:00
Literally. You know, so now what we're
40:03
going to do is just a little practice so people at home could
40:05
do it as well. Sure.
40:06
Let's say they're gonna say objects one at a time.
40:10
Yeah, I'm gonna say, OK, you're gonna say the next one.
40:12
You're gonna say the next one. And then I'm gonna try just
40:15
saying them back to you in the same order, for example.
40:19
All right, So this list, this list, why not random list?
40:22
Have you done this before? Not at this list.
40:24
I'll tell you more about it in a second.
40:26
No, any list. Sure his phone is.
40:27
And what? Do you want him to do right?
40:29
You're gonna say them one by one?
40:30
Sure. I'm gonna say next.
40:31
You're gonna say the next. One Right.
40:32
OK Paper clip. OK.
40:35
Notebook. OK.
40:39
Flashlight. Yes.
40:42
Bottle cap. OK, Key.
40:48
One second, one second, we had a OK, we had a bottle cap and then
40:54
we had a key, right? OK.
40:56
We had a key tennis ball, OK. Pen.
41:05
Yes. Coffee mug OK Sunglasses.
41:13
Envelope OK. Charger yes.
41:21
Wallet OK. Candle.
41:28
OK. Pocket knife.
41:37
OK, stapler. OK.
41:41
Is that 15? Yep.
41:43
There's no way. OK, now this is pure.
41:47
As pure as it gets. Just number.
41:48
I'm gonna try. I might get stuck and I don't
41:50
need to do it. Sometimes I'm not as OK.
41:53
So we started with a paper clip. We had a book.
41:58
We had a flashlight, We had a cap, right?
42:02
We had a key. We had a tennis ball.
42:05
We had a pen. We had a coffee mug.
42:10
We had sunglasses. We had an envelope.
42:13
We had a charger. We had a wallet.
42:15
Is there any more? Yes, we had a pocket knife.
42:26
Skipped one. What was the one beforehand?
42:28
Candle. A candle.
42:29
OK, had a pocket knife. We had a stapler.
42:33
Maybe that's it. That's it.
42:34
That's it. All right.
42:34
Wow. 14 for 15, That's pretty damn good.
42:37
And technically, I could do it the opposite.
42:38
So we have a stapler, we have a pocket knife, we have a candle,
42:41
we have a wallet, we have an envelope.
42:47
We have a charger, a charger, we have an envelope.
42:51
We'll have a second. We had an envelope.
42:57
Remind me there? Sunglasses.
42:59
Sunglasses. We had a coffee mug.
43:01
We had a pen. We had a tennis ball.
43:04
We had a tennis ball. We had a key.
43:09
We had a cap. We had a flashlight.
43:13
We had a book. We had a paper clip.
43:15
Wow, that's crazy. So that's a.
43:18
Skill that you've worked on your whole life to learn how to.
43:21
We have a game at home we like to call Mayor Schneider where
43:24
you go around the room and everybody picks a character and
43:28
one person has to remember all the people and it's always fun
43:31
for the one person to go around to remember all the names of
43:33
people said. Can you come up and play Mary
43:35
Schneider with us because that would be fun.
43:37
Definitely. I mean that that is very, very
43:40
cool, the fact. Is that something you learned
43:41
how to do or is UF photographic memory?
43:43
I grew up, by the way. This is something and, and, and
43:46
I really we want every kid in the world to know.
43:49
If I could help someone with that I would love to.
43:53
We have a couple in our audience today, so they're listening.
43:55
In general. So I'll tell you, I, I as a kid,
43:59
I was, I wasn't great at studying because I didn't know
44:03
how to study. Wasn't I think every kid and
44:06
anyone, anyone and every kid could learn how to study.
44:11
And if you study how to study, it would really, really help
44:14
you. And I think in school we don't
44:15
learn how to study. And there's also nowadays
44:20
there's so many distractions right now.
44:22
Our brain is not used to memorizing.
44:25
You scroll on social media through video, 3 videos down.
44:28
You don't remember the, the one, the, the, the first one you
44:32
watched, right? Like what did I just watch?
44:34
And you could you realize that your, your brain learns how not
44:37
to remember things. I could promise you as kids, you
44:40
tell me if it's true, you grew up as kids, you probably knew,
44:43
let's say 10 or 15 phone numbers, your parents, your
44:47
siblings, maybe some friends you used to go to their moms or
44:50
random things. It's natural training nowadays.
44:55
You don't remember any of them. You, you, it's, it's something
44:57
that we we don't remember. And I met a friend that he told
45:03
me, listen, you just need to start saying I do remember and
45:07
it matters. Meaning if you say I remember
45:09
and start thinking about like if once you say I don't remember
45:13
anything, I, I just, I can't, that's that used to be me.
45:17
I, oh, I just don't remember things.
45:19
And you naturally give your brain the OK not to remember
45:22
things. Then I started when he told me,
45:24
he said, start saying I have a great memory.
45:29
You don't have to go public about it.
45:30
But you say I have a great memory.
45:31
Yes, of course I'll remember this.
45:33
Of course. And you train your brain to
45:35
actually remember things. I could probably do a list like
45:39
that. I could probably say 100 objects
45:41
as well and just learning how to remember things.
45:43
There's like many, many books and many, many things about
45:47
memory, memory, games and things like that.
45:49
And it's very different, let's say numbers to to names or, or
45:53
phone numbers or things like that.
45:57
So me with this ability of like memory and things like that, I
46:00
could naturally kind of bring it back to Smoly.
46:03
It's like I have certain things I could naturally like I
46:09
remember, oh, that means this. That means that like many, many
46:12
different gestures that helped me with working a crowd and
46:15
working different types of people.
46:17
Let's say when I work with crowds, there is I would say 70%
46:20
is about who I pick to what thing, right?
46:23
So I love before walk starting my show.
46:25
Many times you'll see me come to the room.
46:27
Many times I'll take my hat off. Just that no one knows I'm even
46:30
there. Just stand in the room and I
46:32
watch the crowd. I watch the people come in, I
46:34
watch the people sit. How do they sit?
46:35
How do they interact? Would it be a person that goes
46:39
like crazy or is a person that's, I'm gonna say Shmuley
46:43
and he's gonna be like, wow, right.
46:45
You need a because it's happening in their brain.
46:48
You wanna see who's gonna work with you and what type of
46:52
response you'll get. Yeah.
46:53
So suddenly when you start performing, you realize that a
46:56
lot of it is about who you pick and how you do things rather
46:59
than what you do. Yeah, that makes sense.
47:02
You gotta get something that's gonna.
47:03
So your message for kids, I'm just repeating this again is
47:06
when you're studying, you're saying to repeat to yourself, I
47:10
have good memory, I will remember everything I'm
47:12
studying. Yes, I just believe you really.
47:15
You really like. I have great memory memory and
47:18
I'll be able to remember. It's a great tip if it works.
47:22
I mean, it sounds like a good idea.
47:23
My 7th grade teacher, Mr. Ostrov, used to tell us use the
47:27
same pen. And studies show if you use the
47:30
same pen, it'll help you memorize what you're doing.
47:33
So yeah, but because he said it, I made sure not to use the same.
47:36
But you still. Remember, I'm hearing him,
47:38
Michael. It's not so much like the tip of
47:41
telling yourself and that's like a a way to remember.
47:43
It's more about giving yourself confidence.
47:45
Yeah, confidence more about talking to yourself and, and,
47:47
and willing yourself that you're able to overcome and that will
47:51
you to actually be able to get it done versus being your own
47:53
civic and being and telling your brain that you're not getting
47:56
together anyway. And that's just how it reacts.
47:57
And that's what it knows. That's to be training you to do.
48:00
So so and I think it translates to many, many different areas.
48:03
I used to do martial arts for about 12 years.
48:07
I used to do martial arts for like for a really long time.
48:10
And one thing that also one of my teachers taught me, he said
48:13
when you watch your opponent, you want to watch their face
48:17
more than you watch their hands and legs, right?
48:19
Once you see their leg, it's two leg too late.
48:23
If you'll watch their face, you could see much more like what
48:27
they're about to do according to how they'll react.
48:29
And it's something also just training their memory like
48:32
muscle, muscles and knowing how to you're not you, you they call
48:37
it, how do you call it muscle memory where you just naturally
48:42
know what to do. It's like it's too fast to
48:44
think. You just know naturally what to
48:45
do. So what?
48:46
Belt did you get up to by the way?
48:48
I was black. You were black.
48:49
Black. It's it's it translates to black
48:51
in the in Israel. No, in the normal martial arts
48:55
things I was gonna say. Israel, it's yellow here.
48:57
It's. Black It's a Brazilian martial
48:59
arts, but it's not an official martial art that goes into,
49:03
into, into the Olympics, for example, because there's too
49:06
many like group, they never managed to create one group of,
49:10
of that martial arts in order to have like a proper like
49:14
whatever. So what I wanted to say is that
49:18
I, I used to train kids. I used to train kids and, and
49:21
adults and one of the things I really, really believe in is
49:24
that a kid needs to like the confidence he just have by
49:30
knowing he could do something makes them able to do it.
49:34
I used to have kids, I used to tell them, OK, do this, do that.
49:36
They're like, oh, I can't, I, I can't, I can't.
49:38
And then they just, they, they shut it down and like they
49:41
actually can't because they say I can't.
49:43
But when you train your brain into like, OK, I break it into
49:48
little many, many steps and you and many times by teaching, I
49:53
could teach something without even telling you What's the end
49:55
goal, right? So it's like just do this.
49:58
Amazing. Could you do that?
49:59
Yes. Now do this and then do that,
50:01
and then do this and do that and then do that.
50:04
Meaning they slowly, slowly build something and they're
50:06
like, oh, I just did that. They're surprising themselves.
50:09
I don't really. Realize, but it's it's just like
50:12
learning how to break the process for for them, whatever.
50:14
But we we went into a totally different like area.
50:17
But any meaning. Those are things that I also
50:20
that help me a lot with what I do and how I do.
50:22
Yeah, it's something. Do you have like an off button?
50:26
Like for me and Michael, we come to the office and we work 9 to
50:28
5, right? 5:00 we go home and we do
50:30
whatever we're doing. That's it, right?
50:32
You're like working all the time because your whole persona is
50:35
you like this is your your core being.
50:38
You're a performer. Like if you go on the streets,
50:40
you'll pull somebody over and you'll perform like, when are
50:42
you like? How do you balance that of being
50:45
you as a private person, as an individual person, versus you
50:49
the performer? I think also I want to add to
50:51
that what you're asking just to clarify, because we're not nine
50:53
to five people, but we're saying.
50:55
Yeah, and I. Want to clarify that because a
50:57
celebrity walks down the street and gets stopped, I can take a
51:00
picture with you. You're not only a celebrity,
51:02
which people know you a lot, but you're also a performer, so they
51:05
ask you to do something. I take a selfie.
51:07
Exactly. Oh, can you also do something
51:08
for me? No one's asking me to show.
51:10
Me a trick. Show me a trick.
51:11
No one's asking us to analyze. My age, I don't know.
51:13
No one's asking us to analyze their expenses at 12:00 at
51:16
night, you know, at a wedding. But by him, it's like, oh, do a
51:18
trick, do a thing. It's a great question.
51:20
I happen to think I explained it fine.
51:21
My question, I'm not so sure what, he added.
51:24
You diminished yourself. You said 9 to 5 is when you
51:26
think of work. No, but I think I understood
51:27
what I meant by that. Yeah, literally.
51:29
I think he he he cared about the nine to five thing we don't you
51:33
want. Yeah, exactly.
51:35
We didn't. Want people to know the 9:00?
51:36
Yourselves exactly exactly thank you for picking up on the
51:39
nuances you should be our therapist by the way you should
51:41
come more often well it. Feels nice.
51:43
Is that a third thing you do? You?
51:44
You're a mentalist to karate. Martial arts real estate.
51:47
What about therapy? I do, I do things.
51:50
I as a kid, I grew up with no screens and my parents really,
51:56
really, really cared for my hobbies.
51:59
Like I learned piano, I play the drums I actually like.
52:03
I play, I, there's like many, many areas and I find that with
52:07
no screen, you're just OK. So what do I do?
52:10
Find yourself playing with kids. You play with things, you do
52:13
things. It's, I think I would never have
52:16
read, never have read that many books like I did if I would have
52:22
a screen or watch movies or TV's or TV.
52:27
And I think that I don't know, it's just, it's just like lots
52:33
of time that you learn how to. If we don't have, I find myself
52:38
nowadays I sit on a flight and I'm like, I don't have my phone.
52:41
It's like, oh wow, what did I do now?
52:44
And you know, you have 12 hours and it's not Chavez.
52:46
It's like just a random day of the week.
52:49
And it's like, Oh my God, what did I do?
52:51
You try reading on the fly and it's like, I can't read as much
52:54
as I used to. I can't focus on reading that
52:57
much, right? Or I can't.
52:58
It's like we're used to not being we we train ourselves not
53:03
to be able to do that. And I think that learning how to
53:07
disconnect, which I'm also very bad at, it's like, it's not that
53:10
I come in and I'm like, yeah, sure, just turn your phone off.
53:13
Do that. I believe that every time, every
53:15
time I do need to think about like my next show and next thing
53:18
I do or, or practice, I'm like, OK, I have to put my phone
53:22
aside. Otherwise I could never get this
53:24
done. Just like put it aside.
53:25
And I'm like, and I'll write, I'll use pen and paper in order
53:29
to put my ideas out there and things like that.
53:32
And that really, really helps to answer your question.
53:40
Basically there is, I would say I'm much more private than it
53:44
seems online. Like many, I don't do
53:47
lifestyles, so it's very different.
53:48
Lifestyle influencers, they'll talk about everything.
53:51
They'll talk about their kids, they'll talk about their
53:53
clothing, they'll talk about everything.
53:56
I can I use social media in order to to help me with what I
54:01
do and because I love I social media.
54:03
Technically for me, it's like, OK, how would people see a
54:06
certain video? How will they they'll, they'll
54:09
meaning has to be short, has to be long.
54:11
This one. You want them to meaning there's
54:14
psychology behind that as well. So I'm like fascinated by the
54:17
way people watch because that's where everyone is.
54:23
So I'm not as public about everything in my life.
54:25
And sometimes I'm like, technically people don't really
54:28
know me. They know what I do.
54:29
It's a funny line. And it's always weird when
54:32
people come up to you on the stream and they're like, hey,
54:35
Michael, how are you doing? And I'm like, wait, who is this
54:38
person? I have to play.
54:39
I met him. Yes, I met them there.
54:41
But I yes. Or if I don't know them, I'm
54:44
like, OK, wait a second, I don't know where I know them from.
54:48
But then they, they came up to me as if they know me and I know
54:51
them. I'm like, OK, how do I manage
54:54
this, this situation without being like stupid?
54:58
Because I saw them last night in an event, right?
55:00
Like, how do you, how do you deal with it?
55:02
So first of all, just being very nice.
55:05
Like you're just always nice and you're just hopefully polite.
55:09
But I think that for me, it's not hard when people come up to
55:15
me and they're like, know you, would you do something?
55:18
I'm very, I learned to be very straightforward.
55:20
If it doesn't, if it, if it's not right for me, I'll say no.
55:25
Like, OK, sure, I'll take a whatever, but I'm not, I'm not
55:28
going to just do a trick for you.
55:30
Stop and do. I'm not a lap dog.
55:33
Not even many times, many times I would meaning I would do it,
55:37
but I'll, I'll really pay attention to my surroundings
55:40
because I learned that the, the like, as much as I enjoy,
55:46
basically it's I put lots of work into being where I am
55:49
today. And now it's a reward when
55:51
people come and say hi. But then at the same time I'm
55:54
like, wait, my wife is here, my kid is here, my just siblings,
55:59
whatever. And now I, I made everyone
56:01
stopped and wait, right? It's uncomfortable for me and
56:03
it's not right. So slowly, slowly, I learned
56:06
when to stop and when to say yes, Sir, let's take a victory
56:09
and keep going or things like that.
56:10
But I'm not like I, I, I find it very like, I love it.
56:14
Like I love when people. I, I always say it on my
56:17
Instagram. It's like, if you see me come
56:19
say hi. I love it.
56:20
I really appreciate it. And I think it's, it's like I
56:23
feel like a pat on my shoulder saying, yes, someone recognize
56:26
me and they and they mention. About this you enjoyed this.
56:29
This is this is fun for you. It's a sport for you.
56:31
This is not just a job. It's not just a persona that
56:34
you're putting out there. This is this is what you are.
56:36
This is what you want to be known for.
56:38
You know, I'm a big, huge fan of like these variety shows, like
56:45
America's Got Talent, for example.
56:47
I've watched, I don't know, almost in every single episode
56:49
at some point, I've watched a highlight of all the different
56:51
acts. And you have all kinds of acts
56:53
to come out of there. You have singers, you have
56:55
dancers, and you have people, you know, acrobatics and all
56:59
crazy things. And it's really shocking to see
57:01
how many talented people there are out there.
57:03
It's really fascinating. There's so many cool things that
57:05
people can do, like like a lame duck, and I can't do any of this
57:09
stuff. It's pretty, pretty wild.
57:11
But from time to time you see mentalists that come on there
57:15
and you see illusionists. You see like magicians, and
57:18
sometimes the magicians by the way, like their performances,
57:21
it's more than just the magic, the way they incorporate it into
57:23
like dance as well. And they also like they, they
57:26
synchronize it with like the music and the lighting and it
57:29
just like there's a lot of flair to it.
57:31
It becomes very dramatic. But the mentalist specifically
57:33
always stand out because it's more talking and they're
57:36
engaging the judges, they're engaging the crowd.
57:39
And I've seen some of these like wild things.
57:41
And sometimes I, I, there's got to be more to it because it's
57:43
got to be a trick. This can't be real.
57:46
It doesn't make sense. Like they're psychic.
57:47
It's like they have a crystal ball.
57:49
Like you know, there there's nobody in the world that's like
57:51
that who in your mind is like just amazing, the best like you
57:56
and awe of them. But you would appreciate it more
57:58
than anyone else 'cause you know the art forms and you could
58:01
recognize the good from the amazing from the extraordinary.
58:04
So in your mind like who's a must see?
58:06
Like who's a generational talent in the mentalist game?
58:10
That's this is it. This is your idol, so to speak.
58:16
I think I take a lot of, how do you call it, like inspiration
58:20
from many, many other artists and performers, meaning let's
58:26
say when I see, let's say there's Bruno Mars.
58:28
I love Bruno Mars because Bruno Mars, he has his music.
58:33
Some people love his music, some people don't, but I think that
58:35
let's say who? Doesn't like his music.
58:37
Some people don't get him out. Get him out.
58:38
How do you not like Bruno Mars? Do you love Bruno Mars?
58:40
What does that mean? But I find I find, let's say,
58:43
Bruno Mars. He is an amazing, amazing,
58:46
amazing performer lighting wise, dancing wise, like everything,
58:51
every single thing is thought out full package.
58:53
And I and I've heard him speak in the past saying he he doesn't
58:59
give anyone the control to do the things that he really,
59:02
really cares about. Now, in general, that's not my
59:06
way of thinking. I think the more if, if you're
59:09
the smartest person in your business, your business is not
59:12
it's, it's not the best business that could be out there because
59:15
there's other people that are better than you in other areas
59:18
that would be much better and helpful to do what you can't do.
59:23
But I think there's some exceptions.
59:25
So Bruno Mars, for example, he does his choreography, like his
59:29
dancing moves, the lighting's, the sound.
59:32
He, he really, really cares for every single piece in what he
59:35
does. And I think he's, he's an
59:38
inspired, like he, I'm inspired by him with many of those
59:42
elements, really. And I think also that it
59:47
happened. It's funny because when I go to
59:49
watch a show, when I go watch, let's say a Broadway show or
59:52
just I watch whatever, I'm always thinking about everything
59:55
else except for the performance. Like I watch the performance,
59:59
but I'm like, Oh, the lights just turned on now.
1:00:01
And this happened here and that happened there.
1:00:04
And you suddenly when you perform, you realize more and
1:00:06
more it's, it's like, oh, what's the feeling now?
1:00:08
Boom, the lights are this color now.
1:00:10
It means more like serious than it's like bright and nice.
1:00:14
And the music is exactly the right thing where makes you feel
1:00:17
a certain things, a certain thing.
1:00:18
If I want to make you, let's say, feel something before I
1:00:21
even get into the that part of my ACT.
1:00:24
I have this thing where I don't do it that often where I I'll
1:00:28
use, let's say a Russian roulette type of thing.
1:00:32
But so many people do it with like breaking someone's object
1:00:36
or things like that. I used to love doing it with
1:00:38
like danger, so like staple guns stapling like to my head or
1:00:44
someone's hand or things like that.
1:00:46
I don't do that anymore. But if you have the right music
1:00:50
before you start that piece, it's very dramatic.
1:00:53
It's very like certain lights and and it just makes the the
1:00:57
feeling of the effects so much bigger than just OK, so let's do
1:01:01
this cool thing. And this is like, let's take a,
1:01:04
you know, it's you could be like that, but I care for the
1:01:07
experience much more than the the effect is like it needs to
1:01:10
be combined. So yeah, I think I think many
1:01:15
different artists from many different areas, and I do love,
1:01:18
love, love old style musicians and specific areas less like
1:01:24
jazz and things like that, because I think they had, let's
1:01:30
say, Elvis Presley, right? Elvis Presley, for example, his
1:01:34
music is great, but there's there's also so much more except
1:01:39
for the, the, the, the like singing, like the dancing and
1:01:43
the moving and the doing right And you realize the pattern even
1:01:46
if there there's something you wouldn't do, but to learn how to
1:01:50
take from that and from them in order to do.
1:01:52
Stuff like that, yeah. You're taking bits and pieces
1:01:54
from from others and you're formulating it into your own
1:01:56
style, into your own creative way.
1:01:58
That's that's fantastic. Oh, she can I get interrupt one
1:02:01
second? Have you, did you ever try or
1:02:03
think about trying out for America's Got Talent?
1:02:07
I've tried in the past and I was also told to do it many, many
1:02:11
times and I hit a point that at at some point where I was like,
1:02:16
I don't know if it's right to do it.
1:02:18
I would do it. Maybe, maybe I would, but I I
1:02:23
don't know that it's something like I'm I'm.
1:02:26
You nervous? Is that too big of a crowd?
1:02:29
Is that too big of a? Like I could do, I could do any,
1:02:31
any, any sort of crowd. It's just like.
1:02:34
What's the hesitancy? I think it's more, it's more
1:02:37
like I'm at a point where suddenly when you go to
1:02:42
Britain's Got Talent, Oregon, America's Got Talent, you're
1:02:45
competing with other people, which is totally fine to
1:02:48
compete. And I'm not a competitive type
1:02:49
of person, like naturally, but I'm, it's like, OK, they're
1:02:56
going to perform, but I'm going to perform.
1:02:59
Some of us are going to move forward.
1:03:00
Some of us are going to move backward for the exposure.
1:03:02
Maybe I'll do it, but it's all about that.
1:03:05
I don't know. It's, it's like what I, I don't
1:03:08
know. I, I just, it's like a feeling.
1:03:10
Should I do it? Should I not do it?
1:03:11
Is it fake? Is it not fake?
1:03:13
Because there is a lot of like fake happening there as well,
1:03:16
right? So like they make it a crowd
1:03:18
many times, clap their hands, they make it, I don't know, like
1:03:21
it's tricky where I might in the future, maybe have you.
1:03:24
Ever been on a smaller talent show?
1:03:26
Ever did any of those? I've done a talent show in the
1:03:30
past, but not like any anything anyone would, no.
1:03:32
I'm curious. It's another question we got
1:03:34
from one of our listeners is if you had nothing with you, right,
1:03:39
like no objects, no phones, no markers, what would be that
1:03:43
thing that you would do? What would you?
1:03:47
What trick would you do? Yeah, what trick would you do?
1:03:49
What would that show be? Like so it depends what do you
1:03:52
mean no objects meaning just words.
1:03:54
Could I tell someone in you Probably I could do stuff and I
1:03:57
could do stuff. It's just that the way you train
1:04:01
yourself to do things with For example, if I'll ask someone to
1:04:06
stare at something or do stuff like that, it helps me with the
1:04:09
way of reading them. So if they do nothing where
1:04:12
we're just. Well, I could steer, but no
1:04:14
objects. I could steer at anything in the
1:04:15
room, but it's nothing, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:04:17
So those things are things I could do, meaning no objects, no
1:04:20
nothing, right. And I do it a lot.
1:04:22
I do it a lot, actually, where you're doing.
1:04:24
I just tell people trying to think something that would be
1:04:28
those things specifically would be much more tricky.
1:04:31
Yeah, with like OK, I need to. Well, you're asking an artist to
1:04:35
paint with that as paintbrush. Why can't he?
1:04:37
No, I'm asking if the. Artist, can I?
1:04:38
I'll tell you why and I'll go into depth from why because I
1:04:41
think many people, they say, OK, if he uses things in general, it
1:04:46
means it's not, it's not real. And that's a thing that I
1:04:50
totally understand. Totally agree.
1:04:54
It's just a different way and process in order to get to
1:04:58
information when you do it. Meaning when I ask you, let's
1:05:01
say to just think of a name, right, or just think of
1:05:04
something. For example, when I tell someone
1:05:06
to think of a shape or something like that, then I'm actually,
1:05:10
I'm tracking a certain way, a certain like it's a reverse
1:05:13
psychology of like how they think and what they think to
1:05:17
make them not bounce off of like I have one thing and now I'm
1:05:21
bouncing off of like different pieces of information or things
1:05:24
like that. So let's say if I ask them to
1:05:28
write something immediately, I could tell you, OK, boom, I
1:05:31
could get something really, really fast.
1:05:32
If I don't, I could do it much of it's gonna be much longer
1:05:37
process. Process, right?
1:05:38
Right. How long is?
1:05:39
Your show. Typically if you do a show for
1:05:40
someone. My show is an hour, an hour long
1:05:44
specific events I'll do like an hour, 15 an hour and it has.
1:05:48
A long time you can carry a show for an hour.
1:05:50
Yeah, an hour 20, that's like where I would find that you do a
1:05:55
bit longer. That's it.
1:05:56
Yeah. You start losing people.
1:05:57
But let's say I when I have shows where people come
1:06:01
especially for the show, like people would buy tickets or
1:06:04
things like that, then it's actually OK, they'll come only
1:06:08
for an hour. Would they come only for like
1:06:09
what's the usually a, a proper concert or a proper thing would
1:06:13
be like an hour and a half, I think or an hour or 40 or
1:06:15
whatever. I would recommend doing like an
1:06:20
hour show or even less sometimes, but not because of
1:06:24
the material as much as the audience just loses patience no
1:06:28
matter how interesting the show is, especially when it's not in
1:06:31
the setting of like Broadway show or something like that.
1:06:34
Because when you're in a Broadway show, everything is
1:06:37
like like everything's dark. You only see the stage, right?
1:06:40
But if you let me ask. Something a little personal, if
1:06:44
I may go for it. And I'm like a little bit of a
1:06:46
shallower person in general. So that's probably where my
1:06:48
mind's going here. OK.
1:06:50
So you know, it's very nice to be talented and it's really
1:06:54
cool. And not everybody, you know, can
1:06:58
have the claim that you do of, you know, you're in the streets
1:07:01
and you're meeting people and you're making people happy like
1:07:03
this. This is great, but let's let's
1:07:05
let's talk real for a moment. You know, we, we got to make
1:07:07
some money out of this. We got, we got to monetize and.
1:07:11
I want to, I want to cut that there's.
1:07:12
Got to be a business at the end of the day.
1:07:15
Is that does that motivate you? And what if I told you, you
1:07:18
know, Michael, what you're doing is amazing, It's fantastic.
1:07:20
And you're going to travel all over the world and you're going
1:07:22
to perform for people, but you're never really going to
1:07:25
make a big living out of this. You're never going to make a
1:07:27
whole lot, you know, and you're going to have a regular play.
1:07:29
Are you still in it? Are you still like, is that,
1:07:32
what is this? How far into this are you that
1:07:35
you're willing to just make it all about this and, and never,
1:07:39
you know, want more? Or is there a is there a goal
1:07:41
here that if you don't reach, you're gonna stop at a certain
1:07:43
point and shift careers, so to speak?
1:07:45
First of all, there's there's two things.
1:07:47
There is OK, I need to make a living, right?
1:07:50
And then there is a totally different goal of just I love
1:07:53
what I do still like I, I, I'm so passionate about what it,
1:07:57
what I do that first of all, I would never stop.
1:07:59
Even if I wouldn't get paid, I wouldn't, I'm sure I would keep
1:08:02
doing it even if I would have done anything else, which
1:08:05
doesn't seem like I would anytime soon.
1:08:08
But like I love what I do and I do so much of what I do without
1:08:14
getting paid where I just the street stuff, for example, right
1:08:18
there is exposure and there is stuff, but the amount, the
1:08:20
amount of times I just I just went out with like some friends
1:08:23
on Thursday, Thursday night, went to like this bar and I was
1:08:29
just doing things, no cameras, no nothing.
1:08:33
And I just see people. I love it.
1:08:34
I do it. There's no LIKE end result of
1:08:37
LIKE. It's authentic.
1:08:38
It's authentic. I absolutely love it and I'm and
1:08:40
I'm sure I would. I keep doing it probably
1:08:43
forever. You know if I if I'm able to
1:08:46
bezlat to Sam. What's the biggest paycheck you
1:08:49
got? I can't tell you, Michael.
1:08:53
Right there. Mind your own business.
1:08:55
Exactly. And you only get to use that
1:08:57
once, by the way. So the next time we ask you
1:09:00
something like that, you're gonna have to share.
1:09:02
We're gonna have to wrap up soon.
1:09:03
So first of all, do you have any questions for us?
1:09:06
Yes, I want you to think of a shape, OK?
1:09:09
I told her. I don't think of a shape, right?
1:09:12
Like any question, any question for us, right?
1:09:14
Usually it's a. Little different than think of a
1:09:16
shape. There's many shapes.
1:09:17
They told you. Let's say think of a shape.
1:09:19
So many people would go like to think, let's say I have a deck
1:09:24
of shapes, right? So you'll go through a deck of
1:09:26
shapes and you're like, OK, I'm gonna go with something that for
1:09:28
sure I won't forget and I won't. And I'll be able to to remember,
1:09:32
right. So naturally when I say think of
1:09:35
a shape, you immediately think of a shape, right?
1:09:37
Yeah. So you have a shape in mind.
1:09:39
Is there any way I could possibly know what you're
1:09:41
thinking of? No, but you're probably going to
1:09:45
have it narrowed down to 3 or 4 shapes that most people will
1:09:48
come up with when a quick answer like that, you say either a
1:09:50
circle, you'll say a square, a triangle and that's pretty much
1:09:53
it, right, Thanks for. Giving it away.
1:09:55
What? I'm kidding.
1:09:56
No, I'm just. I'm just.
1:09:57
Is it one of those? It's one of those, yeah, OK.
1:09:59
But of course it is. This has nothing to do with what
1:10:01
we did earlier in terms of picking a.
1:10:02
Card, Michael, isn't that 90%? You could do.
1:10:05
You could do those for example and then.
1:10:07
Because before we started, you had a deck of cards, cards with
1:10:09
different shapes. You asked me to pick 1 and I
1:10:10
have one that I'm you. Have one on you.
1:10:12
I told you to have one and not to show me, not even to give it
1:10:15
to me. That's not.
1:10:15
Right around. That's not what you're asking me
1:10:17
now though, are you? No.
1:10:17
No, no, just a random a random shape.
1:10:19
No, right now I'm thinking of what?
1:10:21
Out of the blue, Yeah, That's gonna lead us into learning
1:10:23
that, right. OK.
1:10:24
Yeah, because for example, for those that don't know.
1:10:26
What did you think of? Did you think of like?
1:10:28
A square, square, square. Yeah, OK.
1:10:31
Would you say you're a naturally like a numbers person or more
1:10:36
like an artist? An artist, An artist.
1:10:39
OK, now when I told you to actually pick a drawing, did you
1:10:48
see other things that made you think, OK, I wanna think of that
1:10:51
drawing? Or are you an immediate artist?
1:10:53
OK, now when I told you to actually pick a drawing.
1:11:02
Yeah, something else took out, but then I ended up going with
1:11:04
something else. OK, so now I do.
1:11:07
So there is like an option of getting it wrong.
1:11:11
Yeah. Now I told you to start it and
1:11:14
make sure and remember everything about it, details or
1:11:16
everything? Yes.
1:11:18
Would you be able to draw that drawing again?
1:11:21
Yes, OK. Unlike Joe Sutton, I can draw
1:11:24
OK. If you remember, he drew the
1:11:25
guitar. OK, something else.
1:11:32
So I'll do this. Could you take your hand, your
1:11:39
right hand, for example, and could you draw a circle in the
1:11:43
air? OK, if you had to draw a
1:11:46
triangle, could you go with a triangle?
1:11:50
And last one, could you go with a square?
1:11:55
OK, let's let's try this. I'm going to give you the pad
1:12:03
like that. But before I'll do something
1:12:06
here, let's say I'll I'll do that.
1:12:12
Now I really want to stick. I want you to stick to whatever
1:12:14
it is you're thinking of and interesting.
1:12:20
I'm going to do that, not just the to confused you a little bit
1:12:27
and I'll give you the marker like that, OK?
1:12:29
I want to. Get the table through it, can't
1:12:33
you? It's the biggest sharpie.
1:12:34
Biggest Sharpie. In my life.
1:12:35
Where'd you get that? OK, I will have a drawing in
1:12:38
mind. Could you draw it now?
1:12:44
Thanks for saying. OK, you could literally go with
1:12:46
anything, right? Yeah.
1:12:47
Could you show us all what's the drawing?
1:12:49
It's. The heart?
1:12:50
Really. Whoa.
1:12:52
Pull it down. Put it down because they don't
1:12:53
see your face when you're like wow.
1:12:55
Well, I'll show you. The best part is from the deck
1:12:57
of cards that you made me pick in the beginning.
1:13:00
There you go, you'll go. You have a heart.
1:13:03
Wow. What's crazy is I saw the Star
1:13:04
of David in that deck and I almost picked it and you're
1:13:07
like, you keep going, you want to keep going.
1:13:08
And I'm like, yeah. And then I picked the heart
1:13:09
without you saying 100%. That's pretty amazing.
1:13:12
And you kept it by you. You didn't give me back or
1:13:14
anything. That way I could hold the brake.
1:13:16
Or something. It's been by me the whole time.
1:13:17
Yeah, you could keep it. Wow.
1:13:19
Thank you. Can you sign?
1:13:20
Can you sign it for? Me, we also keep those gigantic
1:13:22
sharpie, gigantic sharpie what I'm gonna do because I.
1:13:25
Learned that when I do probably if I use like a small Sharpie,
1:13:28
there's like a reflections and like you use like a big one, it
1:13:32
does it does a little bit more of an impression.
1:13:34
Michael, this has been very eye opening for us and it was a
1:13:38
pleasure getting to know you and I'm, you know, I'm looking
1:13:41
forward to the big things that you're gonna be doing.
1:13:43
And and you know, I think the way we look at it is the big
1:13:45
stage for you is the quality of the work that you're doing.
1:13:49
That's the big stage. Appreciate it.
1:13:50
And you know, there's one thing we have to ask you before we let
1:13:55
you go. And if you follow our podcast,
1:13:57
you'll know we don't let you leave until we ask you to pick a
1:14:00
guest that you think would be a good guest to fill your seat on
1:14:05
the None of Your Business podcast.
1:14:07
If you could think of anybody, who would that be and why?
1:14:11
How many seconds do you have? You have as many seconds as you
1:14:13
wish, but the passwords we're going to guess fair.
1:14:18
Enough. You could try.
1:14:18
You could try. Stuff like, OK, write down, you
1:14:20
know what, write down who you're, who you're you're going
1:14:23
to pick and we'll guess. Trying to think who would I?
1:14:28
Who would I go with? Someone that you know, someone
1:14:31
that you met, someone you know. I actually peeked at your
1:14:35
Instagram page earlier and I saw you met a lot of interesting
1:14:39
people throughout your days. I see Gary Vee in there.
1:14:43
Gary Vee, OH. My gosh, who's that You want to
1:14:45
get him for us? Gary Vaynerchuk.
1:14:47
Can you get him? I don't know that I could get
1:14:49
him. It was it was very spontaneous.
1:14:52
Yeah, spontaneous. It wasn't spontaneous.
1:14:54
We were called to his office, but it was in the way it worked.
1:14:57
We walked up to his office and it was like, OK, you have this
1:15:01
and this time to do this and this thing and try that.
1:15:05
And I spoke to the people in the, in the waiting room, like
1:15:08
not the waiting room. The, the people working for him
1:15:10
had like probably 300, four, 400 people working for him on that
1:15:16
floor. And his personal assistant.
1:15:19
She said, by the way, you should know if Gary goes to the
1:15:22
bathroom for a bit too long, he's behind his schedule the
1:15:26
whole day like his, his time is like like that.
1:15:32
So we were, it was me and my friend David Carmi.
1:15:36
He's the the guy that does what makes you confidence.
1:15:38
He does like what makes the confidence, right?
1:15:40
He's over 1.3 million followers or something like that.
1:15:44
So we were both called as like streets people that do a lot of
1:15:48
things on the street and we were asked if we would do something
1:15:51
with him and we did and it was amazing.
1:15:55
But according to how his day was, I don't think I would I
1:16:00
would be able to help with bringing him here.
1:16:02
Oh, I see. There wasn't much time for
1:16:04
chitchat. I imagine you basically no, it
1:16:05
was like did you performance? You, you can't even believe it
1:16:08
was like. And there was just him in the
1:16:09
room. Either the performance.
1:16:10
Yeah, it was me and him. I'm laughing.
1:16:12
You're lucky he didn't have oats for breakfast.
1:16:13
Who is? This person.
1:16:14
Who is this person? Gary.
1:16:15
Gary. Gary, Gary, he's one of the.
1:16:19
Everyone listening here knows who he is.
1:16:20
Gary Vee. Gary Vee?
1:16:22
Yes. What does he do?
1:16:23
He's an influencer, he's a leader, he's a sales, you know,
1:16:26
mentor. He's amazing.
1:16:28
So who is the other influence? Someone I would, I'm just
1:16:31
curious who else you met besides him that's high up there.
1:16:34
Is Gary V the top? I just did this week.
1:16:37
I I met with whatever. I don't know if it's relevant,
1:16:40
it's not relevant. She is a big model in Australia
1:16:43
for example, very relevant. 20 million followers on where is.
1:16:49
She wow I. Met I met Adam Sandler.
1:16:52
Really. Many, many.
1:16:54
Can we start the podcast over, please?
1:16:56
Can we go back to the beginning? We need we need to have another
1:16:58
podcast. What's?
1:16:59
Going on over here. So did you actually get to know
1:17:01
Adam Sandler or you just met him again also?
1:17:03
So I met him a few times, a few times, a few times and it took a
1:17:08
while until he actually cared about meaning.
1:17:11
Not because he didn't care but he he meets so many people a
1:17:14
day. Worse.
1:17:15
Worse. Just like.
1:17:16
So can you get Adam? I wish I could do.
1:17:19
You have even have his number. Yeah, sure.
1:17:21
Anyone. Yeah, no.
1:17:23
But I'm trying to think. Let me think.
1:17:25
What about the David guy that you mentioned?
1:17:26
He seems like an interesting guy.
1:17:27
I. Could definitely try.
1:17:28
I could definitely ask him if it'll be IS.
1:17:31
That someone relevant that you think would be good on a?
1:17:33
I'm trying to think if he'll be interested.
1:17:36
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm sure he will, but I think
1:17:40
he's like, he picks and choose very, very carefully what he
1:17:44
does and what he doesn't do. Has he been on let's say a
1:17:47
podcast similar? To He's done podcasts in the
1:17:51
past. He's done TV.
1:17:53
Yeah, he's done other things. Maybe let's give it a go.
1:17:55
OK, let's do it right now. Let's do it like this.
1:17:58
Right. Yes, that's the way to do it.
1:17:59
You call him. That's I'm not gonna call him.
1:18:02
I'm not gonna call him cuz I'm not gonna pull him on the spot,
1:18:04
but I'll send him a message. That's literally the whole Part
1:18:06
1 SEC Before you do this, before you do this, before you do this.
1:18:08
You know how we spoke about earlier about how to mirror
1:18:11
things and how to accomplish things and take it from
1:18:14
experience? If you message him, the chances
1:18:16
are 50%. If you call him, the chances are
1:18:18
51%. Well, I know, but I'm willing to
1:18:22
take the risk. You are willing or you're not.
1:18:23
Willing yes no cuz I actually I literally chat with him.
1:18:26
So you're willing? To call him and take the risk.
1:18:27
Are you willing to? No.
1:18:28
I wouldn't. I wouldn't because first of all,
1:18:30
I don't have. You can do a video message then
1:18:33
maybe and we can say hello to him.
1:18:35
You wanna do a why not video? All righty yes, what's up David?
1:18:41
We're here in the podcast and these guys really want to have
1:18:44
you on the podcast. So we're gonna hopefully we'll
1:18:48
talk it out and you'll actually come here to this podcast.
1:18:50
It was really great. It was like.
1:18:53
I could see into the future and I can tell that you're gonna be
1:18:55
here one day. Definitely.
1:18:57
So let's go. Hopefully you'll you'll be here
1:19:00
one day. And Michael, this was great.
1:19:02
We really appreciate you coming down here so short notice.
1:19:05
It was amazing meeting you in Israel.
1:19:06
I loved watching you live, doing your thing, being in your energy
1:19:10
space, and just being here together was just really like
1:19:14
eye opening for us, learning about this entire world of magic
1:19:18
and mentalism and I can tell you enjoyed it.
1:19:21
I love it and you gained A follower here.
1:19:24
I'm going to join your Instagram.
1:19:25
I will subscribe so it'll be 200,000 and one.
1:19:30
Thank you to all our listeners, our subscribers, and thank you
1:19:34
again to the Prime Source production team.
1:19:36
We appreciate all the feedback. That's a wrap.
1:19:38
That's a wrap. Thank you.
1:19:40
Michael, that was awesome.