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What Were Hippies? A Dirt Nap City Dead End · Dirt Nap City - History's Most Interesting Dead People

• 0:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yo, Alex.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yup, Ellie.
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  SPEAKER_01: How you doing today, man?
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm alright.
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  SPEAKER_01: How are you?
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_01: Groovy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Groovy, man.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_01: You're kidding.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm feeling you're kidding.
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  SPEAKER_02: This was on my list, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm feeling all groovy and ready to just like peace out.
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  SPEAKER_02: Is groovy what we're talking about today?
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  SPEAKER_02: We're talking about hippies.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_02: I literally had the word groovy on my list once.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, the hippies always said that word groovies.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_02: They did.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_02: They did.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, hippies were uh what do you what do you think about hippies?
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think of?
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_02: I think of uh your parents.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Fair, fair.
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  SPEAKER_02: I it's funny because uh I my parents were not hippies, but I remember being kind of scared of hippies when I was young.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like songs, certain songs like by the like the white white rabbit, yeah, and um Puff the Magic Dragon scared me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah song scared me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just any folk singing scared me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Really?
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  SPEAKER_02: Um I always thought it was very like the I maybe I was looking in their eyes and seeing just like glass over.
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  unknown: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: The the the and and their but I love the costumes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean I call them costumes because they seem like costumes now, but they were just their clothes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: The style, their fashion.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I I I like looking back at hippies, but when I was in it, I was always scared of hippies.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um and then um and you usually when you talk about hippies, you always say dirty hippies.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's that's Al.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: Al says dirty hippies.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um that was kind of his thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: He liked to shout that at people.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like just drive down the road and just shout dirty hippies.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: He liked to shout it at people that weren't even hippies, like like you know, a well-dressed businessman.
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  SPEAKER_01: He just liked to roll down the window and he called it dirty hippie in somebody.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I yeah, I don't I I don't know, something funny about it, but at the same time, you know, hippies were part of the counterculture.
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  SPEAKER_01: And maybe that's what you were afraid of.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was something that began in the 50s, or actually began in the 60s, but it was because of the 50s.
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  SPEAKER_01: The 50s were so squeaky clean and so um strict and very um kind of fundamental rules, all about what you can and can't do, what you can and can't say.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_01: And that that culture kind of got a backlash, and that backlash was the hippie movement in the 60s, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: And these were the baby boomers, right?
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: The baby boomers were the ones that came out of World War II.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, no, I guess the baby boomers, that was the greatest generation.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: So after World War II, you know, people were very serious, uh, but the counterculture emerged with the baby boomer generation.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: People born in like the early 50s.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they felt alienated and they and they started to do things.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um they kind of moved into these areas.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: There were there were hippie hotspots.
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  SPEAKER_01: Can you think of any hippie hotspots?
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  SPEAKER_01: San Francisco, like hate aspirin.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Greenwich Village.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_02: And and uh Austin was where the hippies and rednecks would come together and make this beautiful city.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the Cowboys, yeah.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, they were they uh that was one of the things about Austin was Austin was definitely had a hippie vibe for but for Texas that was a weird thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like California, you kind of you kind of expect that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But um New York, maybe you kind of expect that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But Texas, you didn't expect it.
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  SPEAKER_01: The hippies would move here, and sometimes they were called flower children.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was one of the one of the things that they talked about.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um they were often living in communes, you know, where a group of them would live together.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um Laurel Canyon.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever heard of Laurel Canyon?
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  SPEAKER_01: No, where is that?
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: In like LA area.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was a that was a hippie hotspot.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think the thing you might have been afraid of was their unconventional clothing, you know, and their long hair and their beards.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like beards are big today again, but the beards of the hippies were were kind of shaggy looking.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I think that was kind of a thing that that I know men with beards did scare me as a kid.
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  SPEAKER_01: A little bit.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, it was more of their music that scared me.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the psychedelic, the sort of um double meaning of the lyrics, like Puff the Magic Dragon had a double meaning, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: That that kind of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: Peter Paul and Mary scared me for sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Seriously, I'm serious.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: I know they seem so innocent.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I really especially now that they're like in their 80s.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know how many are alive, but uh but the the folk music scared me.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: That that's really weird because I could see like maybe acid rock kind of scaring you or soothed me.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: Huh.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_01: All right, all right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's it's also ironic too, um, because you you you know, you as you pointed out, my parents were kind of hippies, and I agree on that, although my dad was in the military, so that's kind of a weird combination.
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  SPEAKER_01: But when he got out, you know, he he he kinda he kind of had that sort of free life attitude, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think a lot of military people ended up being hippies and growing their hair out.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: And well, I've seen pictures of your dad, and your dad looks like a hippie.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now yeah, he's got long hair and he's got a big shaggy beard, and uh, you know, he rides a motorcycle, which I guess is not exactly a hippie thing, but yeah, it's hard to it's hard to kind of put that down.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_01: But at that time, those were very, very um rebellious things to do, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: To to grow your hair out like that.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: We talked about, you know, we talked about the Beatles in the John Lennon episode.
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  SPEAKER_01: We talked about the fact that those haircuts they had were considered sort of appalling to a lot of people.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like they were shaggy.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that was nothing compared to like what the Allman brothers did later with hair down to their belt.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, are you a man or a woman?
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that was the kind of thing that that the more traditional people would say.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, hippies were definitely all about the um the clothing, the style, the earrings, the beards, the long hair.
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  SPEAKER_01: They were also open to trying things like mind-altering drugs like LSD, marijuana.
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  SPEAKER_01: They were trying to kind of explore different states of consciousness that that you know, up until that point people were kind of afraid of, I think.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: And and uh definitely all those things, I mean, if you look at marijuana laws today compared to 50 years ago, you know, there's a big difference in the way people approach it and the way that it's viewed.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I'm not gonna get into all that, but the hippies were definitely um part of that movement.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: They were part of the movement that said, hey, this could be mind-altering in a good way.
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  SPEAKER_02: And a little bit of rejection of capitalism, too.
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  SPEAKER_02: You mentioned communes.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, we're all gonna live together and grow our own food and um and free love also, right?
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they were big on free love, they were big on nonviolence, right?
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_01: Pre-AIDS.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_01: They they were they were definitely uh against war, and I think they viewed war as ultimately about being about capitalism, being about money, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Being about taking over people's territory or their resources.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so Vietnam, you know, that was a big thing for the hippies to kind of uh go against, and they they fought against um things like uh women's rights were something they fought for, gay rights were something they fought for, um the ability to uh have more sexual freedom because that wasn't something that people in the 50s did at all or the forties, you know, it was a lot more puritanical back then.
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  SPEAKER_02: But it was pre-AIDS and it was and the birth control pill had just come out.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it made that very accessible.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: And another thing they were big on was environmentalism.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: The hippies were often called tree huggers because they they wanted to save the planet.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know, at the time, I feel like the planet was in better shape.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, we didn't we weren't seeing these weird weather patterns and flooding and heat waves that we have today.
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  SPEAKER_01: But they kind of said, hey, that's all gonna happen if we don't do something better.
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  SPEAKER_02: But they didn't really know what to do about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And looking back from today, it's kind of funny.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you've seen like what Woodstock looked like at the end, there's just so much garbage everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Very true, very true.
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  SPEAKER_01: They they didn't necessarily clean up after themselves, and they probably rode in you know, buses and microvans that that polluted and but they didn't know any better.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the other thing was they had kind of their own language.
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  SPEAKER_01: So one of the one of the words that I started with was groovy, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of describing something that is uh usually exciting or fun or excellent.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think that actually comes from records, like like a groovy record because it had grooves.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: That that's that's I'll buy that.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um they said the word man a lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: Didn't matter if you were a man, a woman, didn't matter how old you were, but it was hey man, you know, everything was we're gonna say bro or dude like that today, but yeah, I still say hey man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh far out, that was a big one.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, far out.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was that was something that was maybe unconventional or a little out of the norm.
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  SPEAKER_01: That probably had to do with like this uh uh the space race.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like everything is space.
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  SPEAKER_01: Far out, man.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's just putting Whitey on the moon, man.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: We don't need to do that.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: Uh cool, that was something, you know, and I think that's kind of become just very commonplace for people to say cool.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, that's cool.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I think about that word sometimes, and that word has never gone out of style, really.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody still says it's kind of just it's not even a slang anymore.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's it's cool.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: The word cool probably gets used more to describe something being good or uh appropriate or uh okay than it is temperature.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_02: But I thought happy days made that word popular.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey, that's cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: But see, that was that took place in the f in the 50s.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: That was that sort of more repressed time uh that the hippies were against.
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  SPEAKER_01: Rad was another one, you know, something was rad or something was hip.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: Radical.
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  SPEAKER_01: Something was wild.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, those were all kind of things.
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  SPEAKER_01: Free spirit, that was a that was a thing you described, people that were kind of like independent and uninhibited, that like, hey man, he's not crazy.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: He's just a free spirit.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, yeah, it's free spirit.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_01: I uh I use that word to describe some of my friends.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then uh, of course, we said we said flower child, um, and then of course peace and peace out.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: But you know what they called somebody who was more of a traditionalist, like a little little less open to hippie stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: Square?
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dude, don't be a square, man.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: This is groovy.
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  SPEAKER_01: You should just run with it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Be a free spirit, don't be such a square.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, they've kind of had this famous uh person, Timothy Leary.
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  SPEAKER_01: He was one of the famous hippies who said, turn on, tune in, and drop out.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: That was kind of his thing about like open your mind.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever heard of Sid Raleigh or Sid Rowell, R-A-W-L-E?
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he was supposed to be the king of the hippies.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um he was kind of one of the original hippies in uh in Britain.
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  SPEAKER_01: I d I don't know anything about him, but he he wrote a book about hippies uh eventually.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: But other hippies, can you name like Janice Joplin?
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: She lived here in Austin.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: She was she was uh an Austinite, a Texas girl.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, from Beaumont.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: Beaumont and moved here and great hippie.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: Joan Baez.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, now there's someone, our friend uh AW um said that uh his parents used to play Joan Baez.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think he was scared of her, as a man.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: I think she was kind of scary.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: Bob Dylan, big hippie, Carly Simon.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Jane Fonda was a big hippie.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um Gloria Steinem.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um Grace Slick.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: You mentioned uh the white right rabbit or the uh was it wasn't that Grace Slick that sang.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um Go Ask Alice, wasn't that uh a song?
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Jimi Hendrix, our boy John Lennon was a was a big hippie.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um that's kind of where I got this idea, was from doing a lot of research on John Lennon.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: But uh there were also musical contributions, Jefferson Airplane, The Grateful Dead, The Beatles, and and sort of you mentioned a minute ago about all the trash after Woodstock.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, a lot of people say Woodstock was sort of the end of the hippie age.
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  SPEAKER_01: 1969, it kind of was a great event.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's people have tried to recreate it, and it really can't be recreated because I think people are a lot more I think hippies tended to be a little more we centric, like kind of the the good, the commune, the good of the group instead of the individual.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I think we've gotten away from that, you know, for good or for bad.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: But ultimately, um, you know, with with the first Woodstock, they lived that for a few days in this one time and place.
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  SPEAKER_01: At least that's the myth, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's at least that's what people say.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then they've tried to redo Woodstock, they've tried to do these other festivals, but it's never had the same vibe.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think a lot of the hippies uh it it it surprises me looking back that it wasn't more sustainable than it was.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_02: It was like a lot of them ended up selling out, a lot of them ended up being part of that, you know, the 80s uh capitalism that they hated so much.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of them ended up being CEOs.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um what did they turn into?
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know, hippies became yuppies.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_02: Some yeah, sure.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_02: And there's even some um that are like MAGA people today, which is probably the opposite of being a hippie, right?
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's they've a lot of them have come kind of full circle, or maybe that half circle, I don't know what that means.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_02: But I I don't know if a lot of hippies have have kept that going for 60 years.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: Every so often you meet somebody who's still a genuine hippie, right?
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of it's probably more so in Austin.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: Every so often.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: I actually I think our Uber driver last night, she was if if uh Erica was her name.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: Hey Erica, if you're listening to this episode, this is for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dedicated to Erica, the Uber driver and hemp grower.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_02: But she's a new hippie.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_02: I'm talking about the people that were hippies and are now in their 70s and eighties.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they a lot of them sold out.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you change over time, right?
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: But but the the hippies did leave us with a a few contributions.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um what are some things you think of that came from hippies that are still around today?
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um well, I mean, you be besides like fashion certain fashions.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like blue jeans, right?
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, blue jeans were not something most people wore um until the hippies.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: I thought that came from like cowboys.
• 14:52
  unknown: Yeah.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think the way the the bell bottoms, I don't think I don't think cowboys were bell bottoms.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: They get stuck in the horses uh, you know, in the stirrups.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um vegetarianism, you know, vegetarians kind of were pi were um popularized and and really I I think before that, I I think if you tried to be a vegetarian in the 40s or 50s, people would think you were crazy, and then the hippies kind of normalized it, and now today it's it's not as crazy as you would have thought back then.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: Whole grain bread, organic food, like all that sort of you know, mother earth, whole whole earth kind of stuff.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: It was all and and you know, now we go to grocery stores and pay more to get that because we realize that some of this processed stuff is not good for you, right?
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I can see that.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then you know, there were other things like uh just kind of the fashion and the hairstyles, the yoga.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think you know, the yoga and the whole mystic uh Asia or uh Eastern philosophy kind of stuff was all hippie stuff.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, still around.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Now, in the US, uh I I found the 10 best states for hippies in 2024, according according to the internet.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you want to try to guess these?
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, give me a couple of couple of guesses.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: I would say uh Oregon, Washington, California.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_02: There are a lot of West Coast stuff there.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: So Okay, actually, you were right about Oregon and Washington.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: However, um California is now number 32.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, out of 50?
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: Out of 50, and you know where Texas is?
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: 48.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_02: But again, Austin, I think, would uh defy that.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're talking about the whole state.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um Texas is number 48, and you want to guess the least friendly uh I want to try to still guess like the top five.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: So I've got Oregon, Washington, I would think North Carolina.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um nope, not in the top not in the top ten.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: Maine.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: Maine is, yes.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Colorado.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: Colorado, yes.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_02: Vermont, yeah.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Wisconsin.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: Vermont's where Ben and Jerry's come from, and Ben and Jerry's are like capitalist hippies.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: True, true.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: But but I think I think uh there's a big college scene up there.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: There's um um so yeah, you you've got most of New Mexico also.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: That that's kind of a place where you go and you get your vibe and you're out in the desert.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: But um California's 32, Texas is forty-eight, so you know, way down the list for hippies.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: And then um I would think the lowest one the last two number fifty would probably be like Mississippi, yes, Alabama, Louisiana.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's Louisiana and Mississippi are the are the two right after Texas, the two worst for hippies.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um so yeah, you mentioned it earlier.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: Hippies have been replaced by yuppies, and now they've all been replaced by Swifties.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: So uh good luck with that.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: If you're a hippie, uh I I applaud you for sticking to your beliefs.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um you're not quite done yet, but you will be soon because I think that generation is dying out.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: And with that, we're gonna say peace out, everybody.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: If you're wait, hold on.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_02: If you're an old hippie, send us a b uh a picture of you in the 60s and a picture of you now, and we'll send you some.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_02: We would love to see that.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_02: All right, thanks everybody.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: Peace out.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: Middle van down by the river, lived a man named Joe.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: Dream catcher in the window, tattered clothes and soul a glow.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: Sang of peace and flowers on his guitar a bowl.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: Eating beans and berries, living life on control.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: One day down at Frisco, he found a suit and tie.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: Traded beats for briefcase, said his the last goodbye.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: Moved into a high rise, forgot his roots below.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: Now he's sipping latte on the 27th floor.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: He's to drive for brand new bed.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: He's on the conference for people seeing it all He used to protest wars, now he finds the banks Lot stocks and volunteers given corporate facts.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's sometimes late in the dreams of separate days.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's hard and far in the moonlight case.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: All that is freedom gold, it's more comfortable with the dollar shows, they will let the old life face with every dollar sold in the trace.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: He's distressed.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: Joe trade in his flip-flops for a brand new vest.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: Got the drop.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: He's on the conference call.