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Serial Killer - Edmund Kemper Serial Killer Documentary · The Evolution of Evil - True Crime Stories

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  Speaker 1: In the early nineteen seventies, the idyllic Californian seaside town
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  Speaker 1: of Santa Cruz would be plunged into panic.
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  Speaker 2: One day there would be a body part found somewhere
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  Speaker 2: or washing in from the ocean.
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  Speaker 1: Innocent young women were being raped, murdered, and dismembered.
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  Speaker 3: He picked up a sack with the remains and then.
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  Speaker 4: Heaved it over.
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  Speaker 1: And all the while, the elusive killer was right under
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  Speaker 1: the noses of the cops that pursued him.
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  Speaker 5: He had a great personality. He was a likable guy.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of man could commit such heenous crimes?
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  Speaker 6: He would have oral sex with a decapitated head.
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  Speaker 1: Was he a terrible product of his environment?
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  Speaker 7: His mother would lock him in the basement room at
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  Speaker 7: night because she had this idea that he could pass
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  Speaker 7: simply sexually assault his sisters.
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  Speaker 1: Or was the co ed butcher born to kill?
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  Speaker 8: He just erupted ah.
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  Speaker 2: Santa Cruz up through the sixties was a small beach town.
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  Speaker 2: It was a surf town, and it was a retirement town.
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  Speaker 2: Then the university popped onto the scene in nineteen sixties.
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  Speaker 2: It was the dawn of the Hippies, of the Age
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  Speaker 2: of Aquarius, so there was a very free and easy
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  Speaker 2: feel to life here.
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  Speaker 9: A lot of the counterculture that essentially led over from
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  Speaker 9: San Francisco area and came down here. A lot of
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  Speaker 9: this so called the hippie types ended up forming communes
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  Speaker 9: here in Santa Cruz County, and that was attractive to
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  Speaker 9: a lot of young people and including young girls, and
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  Speaker 9: people were coming from all over the country just to
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  Speaker 9: live that free and liberating lifestyle.
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  Speaker 1: But in nineteen seventy two, the peace in Santa Cruz
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  Speaker 1: would be shattered.
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  Speaker 9: All of a sudden.
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  Speaker 2: There were bodies being washed in on the ocean. There
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  Speaker 2: were grizzly discoveries, and the thought was from a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people in town, what the hell is happening to
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  Speaker 2: our little paradise.
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  Speaker 9: We were dealing with a lot of missing person reports.
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  Speaker 3: It became clear that somebody was killing young.
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  Speaker 9: Co ed hitchhikers.
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  Speaker 1: Eighteen year old Fresno College student Anita Lukessa vanishes.
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  Speaker 9: A severed head found in the mountain. It was just
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  Speaker 9: a skull. We had no body.
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  Speaker 1: Mary Anne pesh, an eighteen year old co ed and
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  Speaker 1: talented skier, disappears.
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  Speaker 4: It became a.
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  Speaker 3: Very confusing time for homicide investigators.
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  Speaker 1: Fifteen year old ballet dancer Cho Coup abducted.
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  Speaker 2: It just seemed like a world gone crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Cindy Shall, eighteen years old and babysitting to earn her
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  Speaker 1: way through college, goes missing.
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  Speaker 10: I remember at the time very much wanting to get him,
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  Speaker 10: I mean, get them off the streets, catch him, put
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  Speaker 10: them away.
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  Speaker 1: The media christened the mystery killer the co ed butcher.
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  Speaker 9: Whenever we see somebody under the age of eighteen who
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  Speaker 9: was hitchhiking, we would pick them up and take him
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  Speaker 9: to juvenile Hall. And there became a big outcry of
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  Speaker 9: that that we were violating their right to hitchhike, but
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  Speaker 9: in reality is that we were just trying to save
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  Speaker 9: their lives.
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  Speaker 1: And it went on. Twenty three year old Rosalin Thorpe
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  Speaker 1: vanishes from the Santa Cruz campus.
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  Speaker 9: Every time we have a missing person report, where it
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  Speaker 9: just fearful that this was going to be another homicide victim.
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  Speaker 1: And twenty one year old student Alison lou disappears forever.
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  Speaker 9: We had no clue as to who was doing this.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't know what the hell was going on. And
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  Speaker 2: indiscriminate murder cases are extremely hard to solve because there's
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  Speaker 2: no rhyme nor reason.
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  Speaker 9: Because the culture at the time was there were a
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  Speaker 9: lot of drugs going on here and a lot of
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  Speaker 9: the so called hippie movement. I suppose individually we may
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  Speaker 9: have thought it may have had something to do with that.
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  Speaker 1: In April nineteen seventy three, as part of a routine
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  Speaker 1: firearms inquiry, Detective Michael Aloofi would come face to face
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  Speaker 1: not with a drug crazed hippie, but with a shorthaired
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  Speaker 1: conservative young man popular with local police.
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  Speaker 9: The Sheriff's office that I worked for at the time
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  Speaker 9: received what we call a dealer's record of sale. One
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  Speaker 9: of our records.
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  Speaker 3: Clerks brought back to us a file card and said,
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  Speaker 3: you know, this guy just tried to buy a gun
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  Speaker 3: and his record was expunged. But I could see through
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  Speaker 3: the blackout that he was involved in a murder in
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  Speaker 3: Madera County some years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Affectionately known as Big Ed, the twenty five year old
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  Speaker 1: six foot nine inch two hundred and eighty pound Edmund
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  Speaker 1: Kemper was a regular fixture at Copps Bar the jury room.
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  Speaker 5: He would have come down to a local watering hole
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  Speaker 5: that US police officers would go to after work and
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  Speaker 5: hang out and talk with us.
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  Speaker 4: He was at a great personality.
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  Speaker 5: He was very friendly, very outgoing, and he was a
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  Speaker 5: likable guy.
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  Speaker 9: That discussion became, well, who's going to go take the
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  Speaker 9: gun away from this guy? Because when you look at
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  Speaker 9: his dealer's record of sale, he's six feet eight and
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  Speaker 9: a half and two hundred and eighty five pounds, so
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  Speaker 9: he's a pretty big guy. So, being the junior detective,
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  Speaker 9: I drew the straw. There was some apppprehension involved, just
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  Speaker 9: dude to the guy's size. Big men, big gun and
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  Speaker 9: little only.
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  Speaker 1: Although unfamiliar to a loofy, the gun owner was definitely
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  Speaker 1: not considered a suspect in the co Ed Kennings big
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  Speaker 1: Ed lived with his mother on a pleasant, peaceful suburban street,
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  Speaker 1: but the address was unclear.
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  Speaker 9: We parked right there and we looked around, couldn't find
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  Speaker 9: much of anything. There were several places that had basically
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  Speaker 9: the same address, so we weren't sure which one was his.
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  Speaker 9: We were I'm just guessing at this point, right around
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  Speaker 9: this point, right here, when a car came around the
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  Speaker 9: curve and pulled up right there where that car is
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  Speaker 9: told gun, I said, let me go ask this guy
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  Speaker 9: if he knows where temper is. So as I approached
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  Speaker 9: the car, there was a gentleman in the car, lying
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  Speaker 9: across the front seat with the door open, and he
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  Speaker 9: was fiddling underneath the dashboard. And I was just about
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  Speaker 9: to this point when I said, excuse me, I'd like
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  Speaker 9: to speak with you for a second. When he got
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  Speaker 9: out of the car, he got out of the car,
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  Speaker 9: and he got out of the car, and he got
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  Speaker 9: out of the car, and immediately I knew that this
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  Speaker 9: was mister Kemper, the man I was looking for, because
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  Speaker 9: he towered over me and I'm six feet tall. So
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  Speaker 9: from here we explained that what we needed to do
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  Speaker 9: we needed to take his weapon to make sure that
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  Speaker 9: he was authorized to have that legally. We came to
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  Speaker 9: the trunk and he had his keys in his pocket,
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  Speaker 9: and he went to put the key in there, and
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  Speaker 9: so my partner and I instinctively, whether it be instinct
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  Speaker 9: or training, separated and I came around to this side
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  Speaker 9: of the car on the trunk, and my partner was
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  Speaker 9: on the other side, and we had our hands on
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  Speaker 9: the guns. The only thing that was in the trunk
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  Speaker 9: was a bundle like in a blanket of some sort
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  Speaker 9: of towel. He started to reach in for it, and
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  Speaker 9: I said, no, wait a minute, let me get I
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  Speaker 9: reached in the trunk, got the bundle in inside of
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  Speaker 9: that was the weapon. We're looking for it, and I
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  Speaker 9: noticed there was nothing in the trunk, no liner in
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  Speaker 9: the trunk or anything. I thought that was a little strange,
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  Speaker 9: but we took the handgun and we left.
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  Speaker 1: And Loofy handed the gun in at the station and
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  Speaker 1: thought no more about it. Two weeks later, five o'clock
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  Speaker 1: in the morning, Officer Jim Connor is on the night
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  Speaker 1: shift when he overhears a colleague taking a call from
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  Speaker 1: the gun owner.
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  Speaker 5: Knowing ed, I got on the phone and we.
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  Speaker 4: We started talking.
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  Speaker 5: I could tell that something wasn't right.
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  Speaker 4: He was in Pueblo, Colorado.
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  Speaker 5: He was in a phone booth and he hadn't had
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  Speaker 5: any sleep for several days, and he said he had
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  Speaker 5: done something really bad. He said that he had killed
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  Speaker 5: his mother and a friend of hers.
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  Speaker 4: He said that they were at his house.
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  Speaker 5: And he asked me if I knew Mickey Aloofy, and
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  Speaker 5: I said yes, and he says, well, my house is
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  Speaker 5: hard to find. Mickey knows how to find it very
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  Speaker 5: easily because he had been out there and had confiscated
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  Speaker 5: a gun.
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  Speaker 1: Officers contacted Detective Aloofy at his home.
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  Speaker 9: I'm standing there getting all this information and giving all
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  Speaker 9: this information, and I had this tremendous feeling of all
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  Speaker 9: of the blood just rushing out of my body. It
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  Speaker 9: was just, Oh my god, this is unreal. One of
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  Speaker 9: the deputies broke the back window, which is on the
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  Speaker 9: other side of the sliding glass door, and then we
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  Speaker 9: started looking to see if we could locate the bodies
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  Speaker 9: in the classet. We pulled back a sheet and we
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  Speaker 9: saw some hair and some blood.
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  Speaker 1: Then Big ed Kemper made a startling confession.
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  Speaker 9: He made comments to Jim Conner on the telephone that
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  Speaker 9: he had killed all of the co eds too.
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  Speaker 1: Taken into custody, twenty four year old Edmund Kemper would
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  Speaker 1: then reveal an extraordinary and sickening tale. In the early
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, the Californian beach resort of Santa Cruz had
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  Speaker 1: been stunned by the mysterious disappearance of a series of
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  Speaker 1: young college girls and a catalog of gruesome discoveries. Then,
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  Speaker 1: in April nineteen seventy three, twenty four year old six
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  Speaker 1: foot nine inch Edmund Kemper unexpectedly confessed that he was
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  Speaker 1: the infamous co Ed butcher and that he now had
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  Speaker 1: a tally of ten murder victims to his name. Taken
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  Speaker 1: into custody, he would now reveal his extraordinary story.
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  Speaker 7: The co ed killer had such a fascinating life.
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  Speaker 1: Born in nineteen forty eight, Edmund Kemper was the middle
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  Speaker 1: child of three.
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  Speaker 9: His mother and his father were very strict disciplinarians. There
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  Speaker 9: was no leeway one way or the other.
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  Speaker 1: Growing up in Burbank, California, Kemper looked up to his father,
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  Speaker 1: but had difficulties with his mother, Klarannel.
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  Speaker 6: She was a punitive person that he resented greatly.
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  Speaker 11: She was harsh, aggressive, putting him down, I think when
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  Speaker 11: he was younger. Call it verbally abusive, I don't know,
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  Speaker 11: but very very aggressive verbally.
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  Speaker 1: In nineteen fifty seven, after years of unhappy marriage, the
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  Speaker 1: nine year old Edmund's parents divorced Clanel, Edmund and his
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  Speaker 1: two sisters moved away. Kempe was already behaving oddly.
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  Speaker 6: He showed a lot of pathology as a child. He
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  Speaker 6: would cut off the heads of his sister's dolls in
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  Speaker 6: other ways deform the dolls.
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  Speaker 7: At ten, he had made a comment that if he
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  Speaker 7: ever had to kiss his teacher, he would have to
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  Speaker 7: kill her. And when you think about a nine and
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  Speaker 7: ten year old at that point having that kind of
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  Speaker 7: a thought process, you begin to wonder, you know, what
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  Speaker 7: is it about him?
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  Speaker 1: The young Kemper was developing a violent fantasy life. He
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  Speaker 1: moved from dismembering dolls to harming animals. He admitted once
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  Speaker 1: bearing a cat alive, later digging its body up to
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  Speaker 1: play with.
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  Speaker 12: There's many many serial sexual murderers that have a background
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  Speaker 12: of killing cats, torturing cats, tormenting cats. Why cats, because
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  Speaker 12: cats are a female symbol.
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  Speaker 1: Kemper was showing mourning signs that the FBI have since
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  Speaker 1: identified as common amongst a number of serial killers.
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  Speaker 13: Basically, you're dealing with a young male that is engaged
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  Speaker 13: in fantasies that are average and destructive and violent before adolescent.
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  Speaker 13: You're looking at an individually as a broken home, a
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  Speaker 13: cold and distant mother, an absent father, through divorce or
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  Speaker 13: just abandonment, they get into animal torture, and there are
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  Speaker 13: patterns that are identifiable.
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  Speaker 1: Kemper grew taller, stronger, and stranger.
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  Speaker 7: His mother put him in the basement room and would
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  Speaker 7: lock him in at night because she had this idea
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  Speaker 7: that he could possibly sexually assault his sisters.
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  Speaker 11: He described it as having a cot and a sleeping
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  Speaker 11: bag and a light hanging down from the ceiling with
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  Speaker 11: just a bare bulb and a string. Talked about it
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  Speaker 11: as being a very difficult time in his life, very scary.
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  Speaker 11: You could hear rats running around at night, that kind
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  Speaker 11: of thing.
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  Speaker 1: As a teenager, Kemper left his mother, heading to Los
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  Speaker 1: Angeles to seek out the dad he idolized.
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  Speaker 6: He had hoped to go and live with his father,
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  Speaker 6: and he described to me that when he went there,
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  Speaker 6: he was rejected by his father.
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  Speaker 1: Edmund Kemper was sent to live with his paternal grandparents
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  Speaker 1: on their remote farm. Here, the troubled teenager's violent fantasies
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  Speaker 1: would be realized for the first time.
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  Speaker 6: He found his grandmother to be an authoritarian and a
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  Speaker 6: disciplinarian like his mother.
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  Speaker 11: His grandfather was out shopping or whatever, and he took
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  Speaker 11: a twenty two and shot and killed his grandmother. When
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  Speaker 11: he realized his grandfather would be coming home and finding
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  Speaker 11: his wife dad, and they were elderly, he decided he
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  Speaker 11: couldn't allow his grandfather to go through that trauma. So
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  Speaker 11: when his grandfather came in, he shot and killed him.
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  Speaker 7: He said he didn't want the grandfather to suffer knowing
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  Speaker 7: that his wife was dead. It's the most bizarre statement.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, you don't go out and just shoot somebody
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  Speaker 7: to keep them from finding out that their wife is dead.
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  Speaker 1: Kempe was diagnosed a paranoid schizophrenic and sent to the
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  Speaker 1: secure Atascadero State Hospital.
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  Speaker 6: That was a very harmful place for him to be institutionalized.
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  Speaker 6: He certainly learned a lot of bad things.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor William Schanberger was one of the facility's staff.
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  Speaker 14: In those days, we had sixteen hundred patients.
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  Speaker 4: In the hospital. There were probably several dozen.
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  Speaker 14: People who had committed murder, eight hundred mentally disordered sex offenders.
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  Speaker 14: We had psychology staff of only ten people or so.
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  Speaker 1: Although not Kemper's therapist, Schanberger would have regular contacts with
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  Speaker 1: the inmate.
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  Speaker 14: It is a bright fellow, and that was obvious when
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  Speaker 14: you were talking with him.
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  Speaker 4: He was kind of a moral.
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  Speaker 1: Patients, The likable Kemper soon became a trusted assistant to
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  Speaker 1: the psychology staff that dealt with the hundreds of sex offenders.
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  Speaker 6: He had so much access to the records and there
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  Speaker 6: would be detailed descriptions at the massa used in carrying
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  Speaker 6: out the crimes techniques of deception.
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  Speaker 11: Remember he was fifteen when he went into the mental hospital,
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  Speaker 11: and he really had never had any sexual experience at all.
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  Speaker 13: Generally, what you'll find is that the child will pursue
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  Speaker 13: these silent fantasies, and in adolescents the sexual.
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  Speaker 9: Element will come on board.
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  Speaker 13: And they will have sexual fantasies that develop along the
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  Speaker 13: lines of using people as an abject rather than a partner.
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  Speaker 13: They want to do something to somebody, not with somebody.
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  Speaker 9: He had a fantasy life.
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  Speaker 11: He described himself as masturbating numerous times during the day
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  Speaker 11: when he was in the mental hospital.
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  Speaker 1: As part of his duties, Kemper had access to the
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  Speaker 1: hospital's psychological test papers.
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  Speaker 4: Kemper was very smart.
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  Speaker 12: He knew what a psychiatrist the psychologists wanted to hear.
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  Speaker 12: He knew all the criteria for different diagnoses. They treated him,
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  Speaker 12: and I think they thought they cured him.
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  Speaker 1: After five years in the secure hospital, Edmund Kemper, now
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  Speaker 1: twenty years old and six feet nine inches tall, was released.
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  Speaker 14: He was discharged by the way to the youth authority
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  Speaker 14: with the recommendation not for him to live with his mother. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 14: the youth authority didn't follow that advice, and he wound
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  Speaker 14: up living with his mother.
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  Speaker 6: His social life, i'd say, was very inadequate, as he
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  Speaker 6: described it, felt particularly inadequate around women. So I think
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  Speaker 6: he was lonely.
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  Speaker 14: Here is a young man, he's twenty one, twenty two,
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  Speaker 14: and he probably never had a date in.
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  Speaker 4: His life, probably have the usual interest.
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  Speaker 14: In needs to connect with women. What can you tell
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  Speaker 14: someone about yourself that I murdered my grandparents and I
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  Speaker 14: was in a mental hospital for the last five years
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  Speaker 14: of my life. I can't imagine how difficult it would
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  Speaker 14: have had to be. That doesn't excuse you anything, but
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  Speaker 14: in my mind describes his situation. So he started picking
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  Speaker 14: up codes, and some of them he wound up murdering
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  Speaker 14: and doing even worse things.
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  Speaker 4: At times.
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  Speaker 1: In custody, Edmund Kemper would reveal to investigators the full
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  Speaker 1: horror of his extraordinary crimes in minute and graphic detail.
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  Speaker 6: It's about as serious and complex series of sexual pathologies
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  Speaker 6: as I've come across.
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  Speaker 9: He said a lot of things that they are kind
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  Speaker 9: of disturbing.
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  Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy three, after the disappearance and murder of
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  Speaker 1: half a dozen young college girls, detectives held Edmund Kemper
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  Speaker 1: in custody, and the six foot nine inch killer was
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  Speaker 1: eager to talk, leading detectives to the scenes of his crimes.
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  Speaker 1: He would explain his murders in chilling detail to anybody
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  Speaker 1: who'd listen.
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  Speaker 9: He talked and talked and talked, and just gave every
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  Speaker 9: bit of information you could ever dream of. And he
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  Speaker 9: goes into great detail about the things that he did
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  Speaker 9: to these girls.
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  Speaker 15: Most of the serial killers I've worked with fallen to
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  Speaker 15: two distinct types. One group of serial killers will never
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  Speaker 15: like to talk about their offending behavior at all, whereas
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  Speaker 15: the second group of serial killers are desperate to talk
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  Speaker 15: about their killing. They're desperate to be at the heart
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  Speaker 15: of the story.
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  Speaker 9: He he said a lot of things that they're kind
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  Speaker 9: of disturbing.
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  Speaker 1: Investigators learned how Kemper had taken months to develop his
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  Speaker 1: strategy for production.
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  Speaker 9: He spent a lot of time traveling all over central
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  Speaker 9: California and even down into Los Angeles, and what he
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  Speaker 9: would do is he would find hitchhikers and he would
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  Speaker 9: essentially do a practice run.
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  Speaker 6: As he would drive off with the young women, he
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  Speaker 6: would look over at them, think about fondling their breasts,
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  Speaker 6: and have great sexual curiosity about them.
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  Speaker 1: Over numerous trips, Kemper honed his harmless persona and perfected
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  Speaker 1: his plans. Only then did he feel confident enough to
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  Speaker 1: act out his fantasies. On the seventh of May nineteen
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: seventy two, Edmund Kemper picked up two eighteen year old friends,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: mary Anne Pesh and Anita Lukessa, near the university campus
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: in Berkeley.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: They would get in the car and he would drive off,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: and immediately he would say, oh, I don't think your
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: door cardoras closed.
• 24:48
  Speaker 9: And he's huge. He's a big man.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: He could reach all the way across the car, open it,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: close it, and then he would drop a chapstick behind
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: that mechanism, so if they became afraid or they wanted
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: to get out, it wouldn't allow the mechanism to work.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Kemper drove them to a remote spot. He told detectives that,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: holding the girls at gunpoint, he had forced Anita to
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: climb into the trunk. He then returned to the car
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: and stabbed mary Anne until she was dead.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Just think about Anita Lukesha in the trunk, listening to
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: her best friend being stabbed and hearing her screaming, I mean,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: you know, it's pretty pretty heavy stuff.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Actually, Kemper then opened the trunk and killed Anita. He
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: took the dead girls to an apartment he was renting.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: There he dismembered them before dumping their in the mountains.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: All the while the police hunted the mysterious co ed butcher.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: The seemingly harmless Edmund Kemper was sitting next to them
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: in their favorite bar.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: I remember ed being there on many occasions, especially during
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: the time of the homicides that were going on.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: He would come in and have a few beers with
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: the guys. He was a likable guy while.
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: He was with them and was able to think about here,
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: I am an ongoing murderer and they don't know anything
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: about it, and they fully accept me, and I'm one
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: of the boys. He was a police groupie. Actually, it
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: is the best way of describing it.
• 26:47
  Speaker 12: Many serial sexual murderers have a fascination with police. That's
• 26:51
  Speaker 12: part of their psychology, and they do that for a
• 26:55
  Speaker 12: number of different reasons. To hang out with them was one.
• 27:00
  Speaker 12: They also sometimes can follow the investigation and see if
• 27:03
  Speaker 12: they're talking about it at all. This is very stimulating
• 27:07
  Speaker 12: for them.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: It was just talk about, you know, a girl found here,
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: a girl found there, and body parts washed up on shore,
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: this kind of thing. It was a conversation among the
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: guys when we were at the jury room.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: On the fourteenth of September nineteen seventy two, Kemper spotted
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: fifteen year old ballet student Ko Coup hitchhiking. She'd missed
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: her bus and was worried about being late for a
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: dance class.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: She had made a sign because she missed the bus
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: she needed to get to San Francisco. She was very young, small,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: easy to overpower, got in the car. He drove across
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: the bay to San Francisco, but unfortunately for her, just
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: kept going.
• 28:07
  Speaker 9: This little girl was terrified.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Ougously Kemper bound, gagged, and then suffocated his captive. But
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: it was only when Kemper took his victim's bodies home
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: that he could fully act out his twisted fantasies.
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: With most of them. He would actually have intercourse with
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: the dead woman. He would have sex with her entire body,
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: then sometimes also with the decapitated body and then sometimes
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: he would have oral sex with a decapitated head.
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: It's not an usual for a serial murderer to have
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: sexual actions with a decapitated body. It's because it's not
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: a person to them. To them, it's an object.
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: I have the power to do anything I want with
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: this woman. She's mine, and I can do anything that
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: I'm curious about, do anything I've only dreamed about doing,
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: and nobody can do anything about it. Power is a
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: big part of it, but extreme sexual pathology is another.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: In order to evade detection, Kempa would separate his victims'
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: body parts and dump them in different locations, one spot
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: just minutes from Detective Terry Medina's home.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: When I did find out that he was up here, Dad,
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: that was that maybe reflect on my wife? You know,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: we had two small kids up here and she would
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: be home alone a lot.
• 30:12
  Speaker 9: So that gave me kind of a funny feeling in
• 30:14
  Speaker 9: the pit of your stomach. It was a predator.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Well, this would be approximately the place that Kemper parked
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: the car.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Very remote.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: It was even more remote thirty years ago than it
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: is today.
• 30:41
  Speaker 9: There was nothing up here then. It was just in
• 30:44
  Speaker 9: the mountains, picked up.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: A sack and then carried it right to the edge.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: And remember there was no fence here.
• 30:57
  Speaker 9: Heaved it over was the remains of by Cuckoo.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Of all of these murders, that's the one that I
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: think affects me the most as I think about it.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're all brutal, but that one just seemed
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: to stick with me. There's some those of us that
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: do murder cases.
• 31:20
  Speaker 9: There's always some that seemed to get inside you.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Kemper would go on to claim the lives of three
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: more co ed hitchhikers, twenty three year old Rosalin Thorpe,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: twenty one year old Alison lou and eighteen year old
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Cindy Shall, babysitter to police officer Jim Connor's kids.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: She was young, you know, she needed money like anyone else.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: She was very pleasant and knowing that she was a
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: student at the university, we felt very safe that we
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: could trust her with our children.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: He had shot her with a twenty two.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Kemper took Sindy's body to his bedroom in his mother's apartment.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: He had dismembered her, but in his mind there was
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: some relationship there.
• 32:27
  Speaker 9: He had an attachment and he kept her.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Head Kemper told detectives he'd hidden Cindy's head in his
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: mother's backyard beneath his bedroom window.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: He buried it was about two feet down in the
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: backyard facing his bedroom window, so that.
• 32:47
  Speaker 9: There was some connection in his mind.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: It was unbelievable because ed seemed like excuse the phrase,
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: a general giant with a very nice personality and likable
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: kind of guy, that he could be responsible for something
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: like that.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: In addition to the murder of his grandparents, Edmund Kemper
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: had taken the lives of six young women. Next he
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: would commit a murder he dreamed of all his life.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: By March of nineteen seventy three, six feet nine inch,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Edmund Kemper had kidnapped and murdered six female Coedes without
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: attracting suspicion. But in April, Detective Michael Aloufi's routine visit
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: to confiscate a firearm had unwittingly sent the suspicious Kemper
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: into panic.
• 33:57
  Speaker 9: This whole process of me taking the handgun away from him,
• 34:01
  Speaker 9: he was under the impression that I was playing cat
• 34:03
  Speaker 9: and mouse with him.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: He thought we were playing a game that we really
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: knew he was the.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Murder Kemper worried his mother Klanel would now learn of
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: his actions.
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: He did not want her to suffer the embarrassment of
• 34:18
  Speaker 9: what he did.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Edmund Kempe resolved to finally commit a crime he had
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: fantasized about since he was a child.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: He got up at four o'clock in the morning, took
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: a hammer, went into his mother's bedroom, just jammed that
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: hammer through her head several times.
• 34:45
  Speaker 9: That was a very messy murder.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Kemper's mother would suffer the same fate as the young
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: co eds and more.
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: Off her head. And then he inserted his penis into
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: her mouth, put.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: It on the mantle above the fireplace, and just yelled
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: and screamed at it, and at times he threw darts
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: at her face. He talked about all the time she
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: had screamed at him and yelled at him or belittled him.
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: He cut out her vocal cords and tried to destroy
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: them in the garbage disposal unit at the sink, because
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: it was her chastising him using those vocal cords that
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: so bothered him.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Fearing his mother's death would soon be discovered by her
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: best friend, Kemper invited her to the house murdered her
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: and then fled. It was only after driving for three
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: days without rest he called the police and gave himself up.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Detective Medina was sent to the mother's apartment to process
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: the crime scene.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: When we arrived, there was nothing disturbed. It looked like
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: somebody had just left on vacation. We flipped over the
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: mattress and of course it was soaked with blood.
• 36:37
  Speaker 9: And there was a note there. He left a note
• 36:42
  Speaker 9: that said, sorry.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Gents for the mess, but really had no time. That's
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: the first time in my career, and I've been in
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: this business forty three years, that you know.
• 36:57
  Speaker 9: The suspect left the cops a note.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: The bodies of Kemper's mother and her best friend had
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: been carefully hidden in two closets. In October nineteen seventy three,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Edmund Kemper would be tried for multiple murder. Both prosecution
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: and defense searched for the answer to the question on
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: everyone's lips.
• 37:33
  Speaker 11: Why would this large, friendly, cooperative guy, why would he
• 37:42
  Speaker 11: kill all these people?
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Defense investigator Harold Cartwright spent over one hundred hours interviewing Kemper.
• 37:51
  Speaker 11: I never at all felt threatened at any time. By
• 37:57
  Speaker 11: two hundred and sixty pounds or something, you know, six
• 38:00
  Speaker 11: foot eight or whatever, and he's an enormous man, but
• 38:04
  Speaker 11: he was just sort of like a gentle giant.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: But it seems Kempe's demeanor with the opposite sex may
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: have been very different. Cameron Jackson, a graduate psychology student
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: at the time, was asked to perform a standard personality
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: test on him.
• 38:25
  Speaker 10: I was the only person in the room with him,
• 38:28
  Speaker 10: and I read the questions to him, and he was
• 38:32
  Speaker 10: very cooperative, and then suddenly, just out of the blue,
• 38:35
  Speaker 10: he simply he both sort of started to.
• 38:37
  Speaker 8: Get up and he just he just erupted like a.
• 38:40
  Speaker 10: Volcano of his ah like that, and his hands and everything.
• 38:46
  Speaker 10: And I just went like that backwards and in immediately
• 38:49
  Speaker 10: came to one or two of policemen who calmed everything down.
• 38:54
  Speaker 10: It was just so fast and such an overwhelming rush
• 38:58
  Speaker 10: of anger and emotion. And I don't really remember the
• 39:01
  Speaker 10: exact question now that I was asking, but I'm sure
• 39:03
  Speaker 10: it has something to do with women, and I was
• 39:06
  Speaker 10: a woman asking him questions.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: In the courtroom, Kemper's taped confessions were played aloud.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: I recall it sitting in the trial listening to the
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: taped confession of Kemper and looking around and seeing the
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: face on the parents of the murdered girls, just the
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: shock and agony and what they had gone through.
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: In the coverage of these terrible crimes, I think the
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: most neglected aspect of the victims, there's a brief mention
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: of their names. Usually these were all young college girls.
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: They were working towards a career. They might have chosen
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: to have a family. All of that is lost when
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: a murderer comes along and takes them away.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: What a tragedy in those families where a young woman
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: was murdered and taken away. The tragedy of that is
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: as much alive today as it was back in nineteen
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: seventy two.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: On the eighth of November, Edmund Kemper was found guilty
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: of eight counts of first degree murder and sentenced to
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: life imprisonment. So what drove Kemper to take the lives
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: of ten innocent victims. Was it his broken family life
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: and the alleged emotional abuse from his mother, or was
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: he simply born to kill?
• 40:48
  Speaker 16: He only once said something like that was the way
• 40:53
  Speaker 16: I could control them, And that's the only thing he
• 40:56
  Speaker 16: ever said. The entire time I dealt with him, that
• 40:59
  Speaker 16: had anything to do with why did he do ed?
• 41:02
  Speaker 9: Kemper is the classic sociopath. He feels no guilt. It's
• 41:09
  Speaker 9: all about him, no compassionists.
• 41:12
  Speaker 16: It's very difficult to say how he looked at what
• 41:14
  Speaker 16: he was doing. Would a person who walked it into
• 41:18
  Speaker 16: a butcher have remorse about cutting up a chicken?
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 41:21
  Speaker 16: I doubt it, and I think that's what he looked at,
• 41:26
  Speaker 16: an object.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: That he could dismember.
• 41:29
  Speaker 11: You know, you look at him and you say, Okay,
• 41:31
  Speaker 11: something happened. His wiring was crossed, he had a chemical imbalance,
• 41:35
  Speaker 11: he had he had something, and then you look at
• 41:39
  Speaker 11: him and you say, no, this is strictly environmental. You know,
• 41:43
  Speaker 11: the way he grew up, all the life experiences that
• 41:47
  Speaker 11: he had led him to the point that he becomes
• 41:53
  Speaker 11: this serial mass murder. Maybe he was killing his mother
• 41:58
  Speaker 11: all along, Who knows.
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: I think when we're all studying serial murderers, we want
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: to find something to blame. It's got to be this
• 42:06
  Speaker 7: crazy mother that he had who locked him in the cellar.
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: But she must have felt something. You know, people who
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: are around serial killers for a period of time will
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: pick up some type of a feeling. They can't describe it,
• 42:20
  Speaker 7: but they know something.
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: There are genetic and biological factors, there are sociological factors,
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: and there are complex psychological factors, all of which interact.
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: And if we're going to ever reduce and prevent these things,
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: we have to attack it on all these levels.
• 42:39
  Speaker 14: I don't think anybody is born to kill. I think
• 42:41
  Speaker 14: everybody is born with a series of pluses and minuses
• 42:45
  Speaker 14: in their makeup, both physically and mentally and emotionally. I
• 42:49
  Speaker 14: think that things happen to people. Most people are able
• 42:52
  Speaker 14: to cope with it, deal with it.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: Some people are not.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Several years after Kemper had been incarcerated, a parcel arrived
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: at the home of psychiatrist Dr William Shamberger, who'd been
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: friendly with the teenage Edmund.
• 43:15
  Speaker 14: I received in the mayor of this cup from ed Kepper.
• 43:19
  Speaker 14: It said that it took him about a year to make,
• 43:23
  Speaker 14: and it's a very very complex. It's like a battered cup,
• 43:30
  Speaker 14: and on the cup is written.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: Also, I beg your pardon.
• 43:36
  Speaker 14: On the bottom, I never promised you.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: Were Rosegard meaning to be I think a very serious apology.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I think there is a side of him that would
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: have given anything to be a normal person. I could
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: see that in him. I could see it while he
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: was testifying. There's a part of Ed Kemper that is
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: as horrified and is disgusted with what he did as
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: the rest of us are.
• 44:05
  Speaker 14: I'm sure that there's no part of him that is
• 44:08
  Speaker 14: happy with what he wound up doing.
• 44:19
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• 44:21
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• 44:24
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• 44:29
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