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Lions over Ravens, NFL QB Tiers, Mike Gundy Fired with Matt Postins, Hawkeye talk with John Bohnenkamp · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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Good afternoon. Welcome Miller and Condon on a
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Tuesday hits Des Moines sports station One O 6.3, KX&O and the
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Iowa Sports Radio Network, wherever you're listening.
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Glad that you are as we will take you for the next couple of
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hours. Little breaking news
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momentarily. We will get into that as there
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has been a firing in the Big 12 coaching ranks that coming up in
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just a second. But here's what's coming up on
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our program. Matt Poston's going to jump in
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on short notice to talk about the firing Mike Gundy at
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Oklahoma State. Apparently he is out.
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There's been no statement from the university as of yet, but
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all the big name college football writers which everyone
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pops into your head. First of all, you can bet that
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he's actually tweeting about this at this time.
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So it seems like it's legit. Gundy is out.
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Matt Poston's Heartland College sports on that coming up here in
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about 20 minutes. And then John Bowen camp, he is
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at in Iowa City today for the Hawkeye Media Availability
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Players meeting going on now. We're just wrapping up.
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We'll talk to John about that. And then Kirk Ference comes on
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the stage of 1:45. We'll talk to John about what he
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expects to hear and more importantly, what he expects to
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see when Indiana pays a visit 2:30 on Saturday afternoon.
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Looking forward to talking to Matt Snyder's.
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We will delve back into baseball in the final week of baseball's
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regular season. Matt Snyder from CBSSports.com,
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where he opines and writes on Major League Baseball.
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And they were sticking with that baseball theme, but we're
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localizing it. Sam Burnaby calling it a career
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after 4 decades at the helm of the Iowa Cubs, the general
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manager of the Iowa Cubs. We'll take a look back at some
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of Sam's career, some of the challenges that he had, maybe
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some of the his biggest wins, etcetera, etcetera.
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There was a championship in there, but I'm more so wins.
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Just the organization, the changes it's been through and
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where it's at right now. So we'll talk to Sam Burnaby and
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kind of give him a pat on the back on his way out the doors.
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He retires after a long and very successful career in downtown
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Des Moines at the principal park.
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Trent's plays of the day are coming up.
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Baseball back in the spotlight tonight.
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But I guess we begin with the news that just broke within the
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last 10 minutes. Mike Gundy is out at Oklahoma
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State. Kind of saw the writing on the
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wall. Trent, this was a an
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underachieving team last year and you thought, well, maybe
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there's it's just a blip. Well, it's not a blip.
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It carried over to this year. It was one of those situations
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because there's a lot of different factors that went into
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this and I think a huge part of it is Mike Gundy is the
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winningest pro coach in program history, former quarterback.
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I, I think there's probably a segment of our listenership that
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doesn't realize how bad Oklahoma State was.
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And though Les Miles began what Gumby Gundy continued during the
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80s, almost every year it was Oklahoma State on the bottom.
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It was as Kansas State ascended, as finally Iowa State started to
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get their sea legs underneath them.
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Oklahoma State was the laughing stock of the big gate and the
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Big 12 in the beginning infancy of that Organism.
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And then it completely changed. Now, T Boone Pickens was a big
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part of that and the investments that he made in that program,
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getting all the shiny objects and everything that you needed
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when that was important in recruiting.
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But T Boone died, and it very well could be as simple as that.
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That at a place in Stillwater where your second fiddle to
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Oklahoma, in a place where you have to recruit Texas at a high
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level in order to win. And if you don't have those
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finances, you can't win at Oklahoma State.
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No, I think that's all your points.
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Absolutely valid. I remember when when Texas and
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Oklahoma, I remember a couple of years ago when they left the
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conference, remember Oklahoma State was supposed to be the the
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flag bearer for the conference when it comes to football.
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Now, Oklahoma State is going to have to carry things on.
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Well, it hasn't happened, obviously.
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So though there's been no announcement as to who's going
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to take over. I imagine whoever that person is
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is on the staff, a coordinator at some point.
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I mean, it's, it's difficult. Do they play this week?
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Are they off this week? Do you know?
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I think they play because they played Friday.
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They had the week off the week before, so I'd anticipate that
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they're playing this weekend. That they are then.
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And yeah, I'm looking at the Oklahoma State trying to pull up
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their coaching staff and see if there's any names on that.
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Place, Arizona. Oh, so they do have off week.
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No, they don't. They play Baylor.
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My mistake. They play Baylor.
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Yes, yes. So assistant coaches seeing if
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any names pop up like, oh, I've heard of that guy.
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Yeah, anybody? Todd Granum is their defensive
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coordinator. Doug Meacham, another guy that's
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been around, he's their offensive coordinator.
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So I guess that's probably the easiest place to look, right?
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A couple of guys that are both experiencing and both have some
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good things certainly in their past.
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I think that would be a definitely a way to look at it,
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trying to look at Meacham, no, no head coaching experience in
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his career. He's been as a coordinator
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though for a very long time. That would be a guy that would
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make sense. And then when look at Grantham,
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he's been around also a very long time always as a
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coordinator, though we're a defensive coach.
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He was there in the beginning infancy of the Beamer Ball era
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as the defensive coach and defensive line coach with
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Virginia Tech. And this bounced around a bunch
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throughout the years. Florida, his most recent kind of
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big job that he had. Well, and the clothes play them.
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That's the final game of the regular season.
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Final game of the regular season for Iowa State.
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We'll see how it goes, but obviously a lot of football to
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be played between now and then. Your thoughts on what we watched
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last night on Monday Night Football and did that change
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your opinion either way regarding maybe take a longer
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look at Detroit and maybe we threw some dirt on them
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prematurely and or the fact that Baltimore still got a really
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good quarterback, but their defence is just.
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Awful. Yeah, I think yes and yes, yes
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and yes to both of them. And as we've talked about with
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Buffalo and with the defense that porous, are you going to be
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able to win two, maybe three games to get to a Super Bowl in
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the rugged AFC? Same question pertains, I think,
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to Baltimore. I think it does too.
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And you know, we see how the Chargers are playing at this
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point and, and the Chiefs, we'll see if they can bounce back and
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be the Chiefs and you go on and on and so.
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Let me just say, you brought up the Chiefs, who's got the most
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complete team in the AFC right now.
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Would you say the? Chargers.
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Oh, absolutely. I don't think it's.
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Particularly because because Mahomes got offensive issue.
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Well, not he doesn't, but the Chiefs have offensive issues and
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the two heavy heads at the top, the Bills and the and the
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Ravens, both of their defenses, are somewhat suspect.
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I think the charges are absolutely legit on both sides
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of the ball. In fact, I think Justin
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Herbert's playing himself into the MVP conversation.
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But you saw that offensive line struggle.
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Well, absolutely. They they're they're missing
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the. Slater, he's out for the year.
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You flip all over, OK, you're fine, You're fine there.
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But the rest of the pieces that you're shuffling around, that
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would be my concern with them. And it goes hand in hand with
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Herbert. Has he made it through a season
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completely healthy? Seems like he's always banged.
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Up always something wrong. And if that offensive line
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continues to look like it did Sunday against the Broncos,
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that's concerning. He's.
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Good. He's going to take a share of
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hits there's no doubt about. That are the Colts the most
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complete team it. Probably wasn't Daniel Jones
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having a healthier He is. Taylor's unbelievable.
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He can't, he can't tackle. Him.
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No. Who do they play this week?
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They've got a salty game this week.
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It's a a tricky spot. They go to LA.
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To the Rams, to the Rams and that defense is really good
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against the run. Let's let's let me let me put
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the Colts on the back burner till next Monday or Tuesday
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whenever we get to the NFL. Probably Tuesday, since both the
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Clones and the Hawks play on the weekend.
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Colts are in the conversation. Colts are in the conversation.
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Two teams that are two in one that do not feel like 2 in one
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teams. The Steelers.
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Speaking of bad, the. Steelers are not good.
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And the Jaguars. And the Jaguars are not good.
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I'm with you. Both of those teams are two in
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one and it feels like they should be on three.
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When Trevor Lawrence came out of school and was the first overall
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pick in the draft, I thought he was Can't miss.
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I honest to God, if I could have bought stock, if you could make
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a bet of futures for first ballot Canton, I'd have bought
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some. No, really, I'd have bought
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some, I thought. I thought he was an absolute
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sinch to be a star quarterback in the NFL.
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It hasn't happened. He hasn't been awful.
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No, and he had Herb for a while, so that didn't help.
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But he's got an offensive minded head coach right now.
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I don't know, look at to be fair, to be fair, who goes out,
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who goes out of their way to watch the Jags?
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I mean, if they're if they're not playing the team that you
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root for or if you're a Jacksonville fan, obviously
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you're and and you've got options.
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The likelihood that you're, you know, I'm going to watch the
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Jags this week. That's just not going to happen,
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right? It just doesn't happen that way.
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But I thought Trevor Lawrence was going to be any kind of
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quarterback in that division. Houston does not look good.
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Houston is O and three Tennessee is, you know, a a obviously
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they're they're years before they start to get back into
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relevance and they can't cover. Good 'cause I've bet them every
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single week and they're O and three against the spread they
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can't cover. I hate the Titans.
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Yeah, you're out on them. All right, let's get Thunder Joe
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in here. Of course, I'm glad to hear from
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him with his Oklahoma ties. Hello a Thunder Joe, How are
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you? Hey, pretty good guys.
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Let's start with Herbert. We're finally seeing the Herbert
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that we all thought that we'd see.
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And I got to give Harbaugh a lot of credit because what he'd do,
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his very first draft, he drafted him protection, he did.
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He said this. You know, that's something that
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obviously the people in Cincinnati haven't figured out.
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I don't know if they need to watch Kevin Costner's movie on
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how to draft. I'm not quite sure.
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But you know, you talk about Oklahoma City being not going to
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say that the Cowboys being second fiddle to the Sooners.
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Let's be honest, the Cowboys are second fiddle to cheese fries at
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Eskimo Joe's in Stillwater. But in all honesty, when Les
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Miles had that Co Ed problem, all we heard about it at
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Stillwater was Les Miles, I'm here, I'm here, I'm here, I'm
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here for the long haul. And then this little Co head,
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this little Co head, Co head issue came up and he darted.
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And the best thing Oklahoma State did at the time was was
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higher than the prodigal son. I'm kind of, I'm kind of shocked
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he's lasted this long. But then again, I'm kind of
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shocked that they let him go. It's kind of, I'm not even, I'm
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not even a cowboy fan. I just know it's like the John
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Blake thing in Oklahoma, the prodigal son turned goat.
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Yeah, Fairpoint, Fairpoint, Joe, thanks for the call.
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Appreciate it and thanks. Yeah, I totally agree with you
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on the Chargers. Justin Herbert certainly
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becoming the quarterback. We thought now we still got to
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do something in the playoffs because he's been really bad
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when they've got there. But he just, it just, it just
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feels different, this charge. It feels different to me.
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They feel buttoned up, they do. They feel confident.
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They've got a head coach who's got a year under his belt now in
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that organization, so you feel better about that.
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They run the ball, obviously they can catch the football way
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better than they could. And they're three and O in the
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division. And they're three and O in the
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division with Chiefs, Raiders and Broncos back-to-back to back
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weeks. And two of them were on the
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road. They they never play home games.
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So even if they don't, I mean it's 6040, maybe 6040 and I'm
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not sure that that's accurate because the opposing fans, they,
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they buy that stadium out. As it should, it's a great road
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trip. It is.
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I've not been to it yet. Have you been?
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To so far, no, I don't think you have.
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Nope, Nope. And I'm not going to follow the
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bears there anytime soon, so I don't think I'm going to get
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there. How many Bears fans will be in
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Vegas this week? Well, that is a great question.
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There's going to be a ton of them making that trip to Vegas
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for the Raiders this Sunday afternoon.
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And this is put up for shut up time.
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As we talked about last week with Nebraska.
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Same thing for the Bears. All right, You played a great
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game against a terrible defense. Get a road victory, get
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something good. Get those positive vibes you got
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a week after this because if you fall to one and three, it's
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over. So now let's see it.
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Ben Johnson, you're the smartest guy in the room.
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Sure, let's just not hear it. Let's actually see it and
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actually beat a very winnable Rd. key.
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You know when you you mentioned the the Cowboys defense, are you
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looking to play in Green Bay this week?
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No, I don't. Don't you think they?
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Bounce back after that embarrassment, though.
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I think they will, and I think it's a great spot for it.
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Is it a good survivor pick? Well, the problem I.
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Guess that's where I'm going with you.
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They play on Thanksgiving. I know they do.
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Who do they have? They're at the Lions, obviously
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going to be an incredibly difficult.
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Game. I couldn't use it.
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I couldn't use that game. But you got to get there, sure.
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And that's kind of the the 1-2 punch to looking.
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You're looking forward and you're looking at those games.
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And with the Black Friday game, that helps because there's.
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Two games and I'm looking at the team that's playing your team.
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Bears. Really.
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Bears go to the Eagles. Oh yeah.
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On Black Friday? On Black Friday, yeah, that
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would make a whole lot of sense. But can you survive to that
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point? Well.
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That's the goal. Keeping the Eagles in your back
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pocket because you go through that means some week you're
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gonna have to take maybe Carolina.
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You're gonna have to take, you know, you're gonna have, you're
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gonna have to take a bad team at some point if you're trying to
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keep. I don't want to use anybody in
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the Packers Alliance, Don't want to use the Chiefs because they
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have the Cowboys. You don't want to use the Ravens
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because. Well, flip forward to go to
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Christmas Day. Have you seen the Christmas Day
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games? I have.
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I can't remember them off the top of my head.
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Let me find them here. Christmas Day games are
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unbelievably difficult. I might use Denver.
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Denver is on the road to Kansas City.
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That's the same thing. Well, if you use Kansas City
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Thanksgiving, you wouldn't have them then at home right on
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Christmas. You like Detroit at Minnesota?
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Coin flip? Yeah.
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Dollars at Washington. I think maybe the Commanders
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might be the play. That might be the time to save
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the commanders, but I can't. You're talking about getting to.
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Got to get to Christmas. Week 17, which is what week?
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It's a long ways to go. It is, it's it makes it so fun,
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so difficult. But anyways.
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But back-to-back to Monday Night Football last night.
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Yeah, in in particular Jared Goff.
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Why won't we talk about the best quarterbacks in the league?
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Or I'll put it this way, do you think he's one of the top
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quarterbacks in the league? I do.
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What do you consider top Top. 7-8 There's more than five.
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There's more than 5 quarterbacks now.
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He's not in the top five. I don't think so either.
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Who are your top five? You want Lamar Jackson in there?
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You want Patrick Mahomes in there?
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You want Joe Burrow in there? Yes.
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You want Josh Allen in there? Yes.
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Did I say Lamar Jackson? You did, Justin.
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Herbert let's I'd take Jalen Hurts.
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You want Jalen Hurts? OK, Nobody.
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Nobody in the normal. We're talking about one of them
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I can't put. Stafford.
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I have to put him there. I can't put Baker there.
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Can you? He's close.
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He's probably in that, maybe in that goth.
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How about this? You got AB plus team you need to
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win a road game this week. Who do you want on your team,
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Baker Mayfield or Jared Goff? Baker Mayfield's a freaking
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winner. That's who I want.
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He's a winner. So Goff on my list, He's lower
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than Baker Mayfield, he's lower than Stafford.
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Is he lower than Jordan Love? No, you're not there.
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Yet no, I'm not. So is he a top ten Top.
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Ten. Yeah, I think even 7 and 8 might
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be stretching. OK.
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I, I, I think with this little exercise just did too.
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It's pretty, pretty, pretty good.
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The list of quarterbacks in this league.
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Absolutely. And we didn't really bring up
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any young ones or anything like that.
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Didn't bring up Doc Prescott. Nope, he didn't make the cut.
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Tyler Murray, Jayla Daniels. Yeah.
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There's one, yeah, there's one that's on the list.
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Would you rather have a healthy Daniels or golf for your team
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for this week? Daniels Yeah.
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The way he runs the weapon that he is.
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Because the weapons that Detroit still has, those guys didn't
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leave offensive line's new They were figuring it out in Week 1,
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their demise greatly exaggerated.
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And you know, a quarterback, we're not talking about
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quarterback that I was talking about the start of the show that
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I would have bought stock in. Trevor, I thought it was a
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cinch. I thought he was a mortal lock
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to be a star in this league and. He is at best top half 1516.
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Would you rather have him or Bo Nicks?
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Oh, him. Not me.
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What? You're out, Bo Nicks, you're
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back in. Yeah, I did watch.
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Yeah, he was bad on Sunday. He was really bad on.
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Sunday and he came in the week before and talked about how bad
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he was. He had a good Week 2 trends.
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Oh, week two. Week 1 was OK.
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One in three. So it's an odd even type of
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thing. So this is Week 4 now back.
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You know, in all seriousness, it comes to Denver.
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Is Denver a lookout for their survivor this week?
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Yes, against Cincinnati Broncos going to lose three straight
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games. I don't think so.
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I don't. Think so either.
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Yeah, definitely on my list for this week and and when you're
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going through and handicapping and looking at at the matchups
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and who's going to be available, those kind of things.
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Yeah, I definitely think that you have to have Denver on your
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list. I'm on top of it.
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You get to Monday night. Now the problem is I used him in
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Week 1. Oh, you did you.
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Can only use the team once. Oh, so you're out?
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So who you leaning? Toward nobody yet.
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I haven't. I haven't done, no, I haven't
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done that kind of work yet of zeroing in on those kind of
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things. One final thing on your boy Bo
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Nicks. So you weren't subscribing to my
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theory this summer when he told me he's going to be, you know, a
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top five? Quarterback.
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No, I didn't say top five, he said.
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He's going to be great. Yes.
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And I told you, my concern with him, great coach, great
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quarterback Guru and Sean Payton that I didn't see upside that
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yes, he's going to get better with more experience, but he was
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already incredibly experienced coming in.
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He played so many college games. He did that.
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There isn't the growth that you see from other guys and kind of
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what you saw last year at the best of it in the back half of
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the year. It's kind of what you're going
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to get is that. That's what we've got so far
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this. Year.
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Is that kind of a fairway maybe to look at this so far that
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there just isn't the growth potential of Bo Nicks?
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So are you concerned of that quarterback class?
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Obviously, Dan, I think Williams is going to be fine.
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I think you'd rather have Daniels if you had, if you
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redraft that class, the six that went in the 1st 12 picks.
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Yeah, Daniels. Yes, then.
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Williams. OK.
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May or Nicks. Did both were what?
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Pennex was awful. Pennex was awful, McCarthy looks
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like. Yeah, it's difficult.
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I I don't think that there's a right answer on that.
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I can't say definitively one way.
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The two that went first and second, then it's a question
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mark beside the others. And even Caleb, he's clearly
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ahead of those other guys he feels like right now.
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He is. But for a number one pick,
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there's quarterback class not shaping up to be 183.
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Yeah, it's not, not at this point, No.
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All right, take your time out. We are going to have Matt
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Postings in here. We'll pick his brain or what he
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thinks, who he thinks may be next.
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Obviously, we'll talk a little bit about the games this past
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weekend with post insurance. He's coming up next, John
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Bowencamp. He's sequestered in Iowa City
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listening to Hawkeye players before he hears from Kirk
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Ference. Matt Snyder on baseball.
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And Sam Burnaby, 4 decades at the helm as the general manager
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of the Iowa Cubs, announced his retirement on Sunday.
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He will join us at 1:30. Miller and Condon underway on a
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Tuesday. Thanks for being with us on the
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Iowa Sports Radio Network. Hi, coming up on 1230.
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Miller and Condon, welcome back. I was Sports Radio Network.
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What's this all about? Blake Shelton, Oklahoma boy, OH.
19:43
Is he OK? Didn't know.
19:45
All red about the state. Who's he married to?
19:50
Uh huh. Misses Shelton.
19:52
Gwen Stefani, is that who it is? OK, let's get Matt Postons in
19:56
here from Heartland College Sports on the Mike Gundy
19:59
dismissal. No pop culture here.
20:01
No, absolutely not, although there is a little pop culture
20:05
just in the SEC. So I was screaming into my
20:08
phone. Gwen Stefan.
20:09
Did you have that out, boy? I should have pumped put pushed
20:12
you on the air earlier. Well get to the SEC later.
20:16
Is that story just unbelievable? But obviously Mike Gundy
20:21
unbelievable, took this program to the highest of the highest.
20:25
Jeff Woody of all people. I had something to say about
20:28
that on a Friday night. And Ames on ESPN as he scored
20:32
the winning touchdown to prevent Oklahoma State from taking that
20:35
next step, as we recall. But nonetheless, it was there a
20:39
long time. But it's just it's just hit rock
20:42
bottom, has it not? Matt Poston's.
20:45
Yeah, I think that's where it is right now.
20:47
I mean, I remember covering their Big 12 championship game
20:50
against Baylor a few years ago and I remember thinking to
20:52
myself, okay, with Texas and Oklahoma leaving the league,
20:55
this leaves a void for a program like Oklahoma State, Phil,
20:58
because they've been good for a long time and they've got a
21:00
really good head coach in Mike Gundy.
21:03
And I think the biggest issues they've had has been with the
21:05
transfer portal. They simply have not adjusted to
21:08
that era of college football. I think Gundy to some degree has
21:12
been reticent to do it to really buy into bringing in talent and
21:16
finding ways to retain talent. I think NIL has something to do
21:19
with that as well. When you consider that when you
21:22
hear about NIL in the Big 12, you hear a lot about Texas Tech,
21:25
Iowa State, Arizona State, TCU and other programs, you don't
21:29
care a lot about that at Oklahoma State.
21:32
And I think that's a factor in it too.
21:34
And really, if you look at their last two years, the talent at
21:37
the quarterback position just has not been there.
21:39
And no matter how good, you know, a player like Holly Gordon
21:43
is or how much they've bought into the running game the last
21:46
few years with Chubba Hubbard, they they simply have not had
21:49
good quarterback play. And for Mike Bendy team, that
21:52
really can be the death knells of the season.
21:54
And I, I think this is just, you know, them going them, them
21:57
losing to Tulsa at home on Friday, that just told me how
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hard a season this was going to be.
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So for them to make the decision now, I think it's an
22:05
acknowledgement on their part that the program needs a
22:07
complete reset. They need a fresh voice.
22:09
They need a new voice, which is exactly what they needed when
22:12
they hired Gundy 20 years ago. So everything is cyclical in
22:16
this business. Very few coaches get the
22:18
opportunity to go out on their own terms.
22:20
And you know, my Gundy is just another one on the list.
22:23
T Boone Pickens not with us any longer.
22:26
His money, a lot of it, was left to Oklahoma State and the
22:28
athletic department, much to the chagrino many people in academia
22:32
at the time. But that aside, do we have any
22:36
relatives, any benefactors, any other people willing to step up
22:40
to the plate? Because in today's era, if T
22:42
Boone was around, they might be like Texas.
22:45
Tech. I mean, they might be spending
22:46
at that kind of level. Do we know kind of the family
22:49
dynamics and coupled with that, the booster backing of Oklahoma
22:53
State and what they can be in this new era?
22:56
Yeah, that's an interesting question and I don't have a good
22:58
answer to that, but I do have a couple of points that I was
23:00
actually thinking about before I got on the air.
23:02
First, does this free up boosters to be more involved in
23:06
doing that? You know, Gandhi has so been so
23:09
omnipresent at that program for the past 10 years that unlike
23:14
most coaches in the Big 12, he's had a lot of autonomy and a lot
23:17
of control over how his program is run, how it connects with
23:20
other programs on campus, how it connects with boosters and that
23:22
kind of thing. And I think some of that has
23:24
been to the chagrin of other boosters there on campus.
23:26
So I'm wondering if his dismissal maybe freeze some
23:30
folks up that maybe were reticent to be all in with the
23:34
football program because of him and they'll be more present with
23:37
a new head coach. And also, you know, this should
23:41
be a clear end call to booster family at Oklahoma State that
23:45
you've got to have the money to compete.
23:46
The revenue sharing is fine, that's great.
23:49
But because of the adjustments they've made from the house
23:53
ruling with the CSC, where basically the collectives can
23:56
now still kind of do what they want with the reason you now
24:00
have an opportunity to offer sweeteners on top of the revenue
24:03
sharing. So this this is kind of, this
24:06
isn't just Gundy losing his job. I think this is a shot across
24:09
the bow to the rest of the Oklahoma State family from the
24:11
athletic department saying, hey, if we bring in a new head coach,
24:14
we're going to need your support.
24:16
And because the new head coach, whoever that may be, is going to
24:18
have a lot of questions about NIL transfer portal and all that
24:22
other stuff. And if they don't feel like
24:23
they're going to be adequately supported by the community,
24:25
they're not going to come. That's an excellent point, Matt
24:28
Postons. I never even thought of it that
24:29
way because Boone Pickens and his money and what he did would
24:32
over shadow everybody, right. So if he's not getting they're
24:35
not getting that recognition or that support or that pat on the
24:38
back and thanks you for doing this for our school type of
24:41
thing. And it's always going to one
24:42
guy, the guy that the stadium's named after.
24:45
Maybe they're just keeping their, you know, checkbook
24:47
closed. You still write checks,
24:48
Whatever, you got my point, right?
24:50
It's this, this might be this might be a wake up call in a way
24:54
for those people to, you know, to get more involved because
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Mike Gundy and the connection to PT Boone is gone.
25:02
Yeah. And and you know, when you think
25:03
about the the move that Texas made a few years ago when they
25:07
fired Matt Wells and eventually hired Joey McGuire, that was
25:09
kind of their wake up call too. I think maybe to a lesser degree
25:13
because they didn't have a well heeled head coach like Gundy.
25:16
But you know, sometimes when you let a head coach go, it's an
25:20
opportunity for you to acknowledge the problems that
25:22
you're having in your program and in your athletic department.
25:25
To kind of right the ship and get the right next to Guy and
25:28
the head coaching job and give an opportunity to invite
25:31
everybody in and say, hey, you can be a part of this.
25:34
We need your help. It's not going to be like it was
25:36
before where they were walls put up between Gundy and everybody
25:39
else. This is not an opportunity for
25:41
everybody to come together and support everyone in the athletic
25:44
department. It could end up be a good thing,
25:47
although there's going to be a lot of pain this season.
25:48
Brooklyn. Give us a few names that would
25:52
make sense on this one too. That definitely popped up right
25:55
away. Colin Klein doing a great job
25:57
down at A&M. Big 12 connections.
25:59
Barry Odom. That is a good one.
26:01
Barry Odom, an Oklahoma guy, so obviously connections to the
26:04
state there and looks Purdue at least on the right path to
26:07
relevancy after what a shakedown has been the last couple of
26:10
years there. Any other names that pop up that
26:12
make sense for Oklahoma State? Well, a couple of other names
26:15
that have have popped up at least in chaps.
26:18
You know, Alex Skolish, who was in GA at Oklahoma State, was at
26:22
Iowa State for a few years. He's doing a really good work at
26:25
South Florida now. Zach Robinson, a former
26:28
quarterback of of Mike Grundy, who is now in the NFL, He's the
26:32
offensive coordinator for the Atlanta Falcons.
26:34
Those are a few names that have even popped up over the weekend
26:37
as there's been speculation about his job.
26:40
If I'm looking at the Group of Five ranks 3 coaches that I
26:43
think will be connected to this job and be potentially good
26:46
candidates for this job. Ryan Silverfield at Memphis,
26:49
he's done great work there over the past decade.
26:52
John Sumrall at Tulane, if they have another really good season
26:55
down in New Orleans, he's going to be connected to a host of
26:57
jobs, you know, even more so than last year with North
27:00
Carolina. And then Jeff Trailer, the head
27:03
coach at UTSA, who I think really would prefer to stay in
27:07
the state of Texas, but Oklahoma State is Texas adjacent to allow
27:12
him to this is Texas recruiting bona fides within the state.
27:15
Wouldn't have to go that far away from home.
27:18
Might be an enticing job for him.
27:20
But those are the those are the names that I've kind of
27:22
gravitating toward right now. Yeah.
27:24
Without knowing what other openings are going to come up,
27:27
you know, obviously if Florida opens up, that changes the
27:29
dynamic of some of the candidates out there.
27:32
But I, I think Oklahoma State should have a good shot at
27:35
finding a successful young head coach that can come in and, you
27:41
know, kind of, you know, restructure things that are in
27:43
Oklahoma State. I don't necessarily think the
27:45
program needs to be resurrected because, you know, let's face
27:48
it, Gundy, he did a fantastic job there.
27:51
He won 170 games. There's no other head coach in
27:54
that program's history that has won more than 62 games.
27:58
And that was his loss. Pat Jones back in the 80s and
28:00
90s, I mean, what Gundy did is what frankly what Matt Campbell
28:04
is doing at Iowa State right now.
28:06
When you really think about it, that's what he did for that
28:08
program. So it's really about getting the
28:10
right coach that can come in there, re energize the fan base,
28:13
re energize the program and get them back on the path so they
28:16
can start, you know, being a bowl team every year and being a
28:20
contention for the conference championship.
28:22
Since we've got you, Matt, we certainly appreciate you coming
28:24
on on short notice to help Trent and I out here.
28:26
So let's go back to last weekend.
28:28
Obviously Texas Tech Utah was in the spotlight.
28:32
What do what do? What do the Red Raiders do going
28:34
forward now? Do they have a quarterback
28:36
Controversy will have looks really good as they pulled away
28:40
in the fourth quarter. What's going to happen in
28:42
Lubbock with the QB? Yeah, he can really spin it.
28:44
Candy, that was that was a really solid performance from
28:48
from him on short notice. I think how much he plays really
28:51
will depend on Baron's health. I don't think he's going to lose
28:53
his job over this. I think they're going to be
28:56
tracking his health throughout the week in the weeks ahead.
29:00
I think the good news for Texas Tech is, you know, now, you
29:03
know, you have a guy you can rely on if Barry Morton can't
29:05
go. And I'm not sure they had
29:06
necessarily had that in their toolbox last year.
29:09
But I mean, that defense, that defense sure as heck looked like
29:13
the defense that Texas Tech has been trying to put together for
29:16
a decade on Saturday against Utah.
29:18
If that, if that defense plays at that level the rest of the
29:23
season, they're going to be in Arlington.
29:25
Forget about it. They're there.
29:27
I mean, that defense was just stellar.
29:29
I mean, every investment they made in the transfer portal, at
29:32
least in that one game, it showed that it could pay off.
29:35
And I just was really impressed that that might be the best
29:40
defensive performance I've ever seen from the Texas Tech
29:42
defense, regardless of the era, that they were that good.
29:46
Matt Poston's Heartland College Sports Matt, appreciate the
29:48
relationship we have with you. We do that you come on at short
29:51
notice here. Thank you for doing this.
29:53
We will talk to you down on the road.
29:54
Thank you, Matt Posens. All right.
29:56
Thanks guys. Good.
29:57
To talk to you, Matt Postens, Heartland College sports as we
29:59
check in on the Big 12 and Mike Gundy, the end of an era in
30:03
Stillwater. Miller Condon back with John
30:04
blown camp off to Iowa City. Next it's the Iowa Sports Radio
30:07
Network. I'm Miller Condon.
30:10
Welcome back 12:45 Phil Collins so good, right?
30:13
Sad to see what the illness is doing to his body and to his
30:16
life. Anyways, John Boenkamp going to
30:19
join us. In fact, he's joining us right
30:21
now, final week of baseball's regular season.
30:23
I'm not sure we'll have time to talk about those Los Angeles
30:27
Dodgers. Maybe next week, John.
30:29
Listen, it should be the topic of.
30:30
It should be the topic of conversation of the whole show.
30:33
No, we, we want to keep an audience here in the Iowa Sports
30:37
Radio Network. Yeah.
30:38
OK, alright. But I do but but my betting
30:41
portfolio does hope that they do have that proverbial on off
30:44
switch because they can hit on anytime now.
30:47
Anyways, let's talk about the Hawks.
30:49
Obviously, John, the the Hoosiers going to be an
30:53
incredibly difficult game for Iowa.
30:56
Look, we've seen good teams in the past come into Kinnock a lot
30:59
of times, usually under the lights.
31:00
Won't be the case this this Saturday, 2:30 kick off.
31:04
But a tough hill to climb for the Hawks.
31:06
The Hoosiers and coach Kurt Signetti look absolutely legit.
31:12
That yeah, the last week's game is Illinois proved that.
31:15
I mean, that's because that's a pretty good Illinois team that
31:17
just went in there and flopped and and Indiana took advantage
31:21
of it and and really dominated them.
31:23
This is a big game for Iowa. I mean, this sets up October and
31:28
it's like you don't want to lose.
31:29
You don't want to lose this game because if you do, that really
31:32
puts a lot of pressure on what comes up here in the next month.
31:36
You win this game. It sets up, you know, OK, now
31:38
you got a chance to maybe make a run, maybe get to the playoffs,
31:42
who knows? But that's, you know, this is
31:44
going to be a really difficult team that, you know, we, we've
31:47
been, we, when we looked at the schedule, the beginning of the
31:50
year, you like Penn State's coming in, OK, they're, they're
31:52
going to be really good. Or this is, this is probably
31:55
going to be the toughest of the three.
31:56
When you start to think about or, or why I should say #2
31:59
because I think Penn State will be the toughest.
32:01
But, but I mean, this is a really, really good Indiana team
32:04
again. And I mean, you still got Oregon
32:07
on there. You got a road trip to USC that
32:09
can score with anybody, John. I will win a game where they had
32:13
to score and the defense struggled mightily in the first
32:15
half and they had to not eke out a win and win it in a slugfest.
32:19
They had to win in a bit of a shootout and they were able to
32:22
do that. Is it a sign of Rutgers defense
32:25
is really bad or this team is built differently?
32:27
That if there are other games, and I think there's going to be
32:30
this year that they're going to have to win scoring 273138
32:33
points like they did Friday, that they're capable of doing
32:36
that now as the opponents and the defenses get a little bit
32:39
better. Yeah, because because if you
32:41
look at that game, I mean, like you said, Rutgers, you know who
32:45
was able to move well, especially in the first half
32:47
Iowa counter that because because I mean in the past those
32:50
have been games have been like 21 seven at halftime and then
32:53
you really scram this time. I mean it's you know, it's a tie
32:56
game and I know they're playing really well and then the
32:59
second-half the defense played a lot better offense did all the
33:02
things done. I think this offense really came
33:04
vague over the weekend on Friday and, and I and I think that this
33:08
is this is a really good group that just kind of all of a
33:11
sudden the light switch came on with them.
33:14
And you know, I've been, I've been on the Mark Gronowski
33:17
bandwagon since he got here. I know he struggled in those
33:21
first couple of games that you could see the other night.
33:23
This is why they got him the the plays he made the other night.
33:27
This is why they got him. And you know, and I always I'm
33:31
I'm a big fan of the, you know, the, the, the theory of trust
33:34
the resume and I trust the rest the resume of him in his career.
33:39
And then you can see that in the way he played the other night.
33:41
This is the guy that knows how to win game and he won.
33:45
He he made a big part of winning that game the other night.
33:47
Huge. Let's see what happens.
33:49
Yeah. And so and so, I mean, so that
33:51
he's going to have to be a big key on Saturday.
33:54
And so I to get a game like that, it was good for his
33:58
confidence, good for this offensive offenses confidence
34:02
and really good just for this team in general.
34:05
I couldn't agree with you more. His arrows clearly headed in the
34:08
right direction. You know, to put up, put up
34:10
4741, whatever they scored against UMass is one thing, but
34:15
to to win a shootout against a a big tenfold on the road, I think
34:19
this gives you confidence going into a game that in all
34:22
likelihood, I mean, we know Indiana scores and scores and
34:25
bunches, right? They're going to have to score a
34:27
bunch. This isn't going to be a 2117
34:30
game. You're going to have to score to
34:33
beat Indiana. And maybe this does build them
34:35
up a little bit confidence offensive wise because they've
34:38
put a bunch, a bunch of points on the board in their last two.
34:42
Yeah, and I mean this this office in in, you know, and I
34:45
was watching some of the video from the players today and Logan
34:48
Jones talked about how they're going to have to be very
34:50
physical with Indiana. And and so I I think this is
34:54
going to be a real test for that offensive line on on Saturday.
34:57
And and I mean, if you can, if you can get that group and and I
35:01
think the other night that group got going a little bit, They did
35:04
get this now more confident, yes.
35:06
And even if you can get them now, even with more confidence
35:09
and play the way I mean, those some of those offensive lines in
35:12
the past to play, I think this this is going to be a really
35:15
good test for them and, and, and it's going to be a really key
35:18
part of that game on that on Saturday.
35:20
So Mendoza was so good on Saturday night against Illinois,
35:23
but he also, when you get him rattled, certainly at Cal and
35:27
even earlier this year, game one against Old Dominion, he had
35:29
stretches and that's kind of been the knock against him.
35:31
When it goes off, it can go off the rails quickly.
35:34
What is Phil Parker dial up? We saw them go a lot more blitz
35:37
heavy in the second-half, bringing a lot more pressure.
35:40
What do you think? I think the game plan is
35:41
defensively to try to get Mendoza off it and he stopped
35:44
the run. That RPO game certainly changes
35:46
a whole lot. More difficult circumstances
35:48
here for Parker. What's the game plan?
35:51
I think it's a lot of what you saw in the second-half the other
35:53
night and I I do think you have to go after.
35:56
Him. You.
35:57
Have to pressure him. Yep, you've got it.
35:59
You've got to put pressure on him and, and, and because,
36:02
because you've got to make him get off, you know, get it, get
36:05
out of rhythm because you hadn't get into rhythm against the way
36:08
the way Iowa secondary has played at times this year.
36:11
I don't think you want him to get going.
36:13
And so I think you're going to see a lot of pressure on him
36:16
early. And, and if you can do that
36:19
instead an early tone, that kind of sets them back a little bit.
36:23
And so I, I think that's, we're going to learn a lot about this
36:26
game. You're going to see it very
36:27
early in the game on Saturday. I think we'll know a lot about
36:31
how that game is going to trend in just the way Iowa's offense
36:34
dominates the frontline and the way Iowa's defense, if they can
36:37
get to him and, and, and make some plays, that may make a
36:41
difference in this game. I'm anxious to know, John, and I
36:43
hope it comes up and you guys have got Ference here in what,
36:45
45 minute, maybe 50, but just under an hour you'll get
36:48
Ference. I don't think Kamari Moulton was
36:51
going to going into the Rutgers game.
36:52
I don't think anyone thought, yes, he's going to play, but
36:56
he's not going to lead the team in carries.
36:58
I was and I understand why. I mean, Patterson was was banged
37:01
up and he may, may or may not be able to go on Saturday against
37:05
Indiana. But I'm wondering, with the
37:07
workload that Moulton was forced to take on, wondering, wondering
37:10
how he came out of the game in Piscataway and how he'll be
37:14
just, if the, you know, any lingering effect, kind of sore
37:17
after missing some time and fine and getting back into action,
37:20
Wonder how that'll go. I'm curious about that too,
37:23
because he's going to be a big part of this offense.
37:26
If I mean, because they're going to want to control the ball.
37:28
They don't want to get into the shootout, but they're going to
37:30
want to control the ball and again, go back to the offensive
37:33
line part of it. If they can get that running
37:35
game going that and just control the ball, that really tilts the
37:39
game in in Iowa's favor. So he's going to have to have a
37:42
big game and he's going to have to stay healthy this whole year,
37:45
you know, because I do think, I mean, this is a really good
37:47
running backroom. But I think he's the guy that
37:50
they've really been counting on. And so I think you want to get
37:53
him going now after Fridays, and you want to get him going and
37:57
get him back into the rhythm because you're going to need him
38:00
this year. John, you are amongst the group
38:02
of you weirdos in the press that are watching long snappers,
38:07
things like that. Something's been off in the
38:10
mechanisms of the kicking unit really throughout the season.
38:13
We're seeing Stevens missed kick.
38:14
He missed his kick as bad as he has since two years ago last
38:18
week against Rutgers. I have the sneaking suspicion
38:21
has something to do with the the new long snapper that came in
38:24
from BC. Have you seen anything?
38:26
Because I know you you do watch this stuff.
38:28
Have you seen anything mechanically, anything happening
38:30
there in the field goal kicking unit?
38:33
No, but it is a concern. I mean, I, I think, I mean, I
38:36
mean, because, I mean, you looked at, you know, you look at
38:38
the way Drew Stevens played last year and, and, and the way they
38:41
talked about him, you know, in this in, in August, you know,
38:44
that, that he had really kind of, you know, his was showing a
38:47
lot more consistency in practice and was doing a lot of things.
38:51
And, and he's, he's been good. And then he has been not so good
38:54
this year. And so in a game like this on
38:57
Saturday, he's going to have to be good.
38:58
I don't think, you know, you, you, there may be sometimes when
39:01
you have to settle for a field goal and you can't give up this
39:04
point. And so they're going to have to,
39:06
they're going to have to get that thing kind of clicking, you
39:10
know, for them. And again, your punting game is
39:12
going to have to pin them back. The special teams is going to
39:15
play a big I mean, every every side of the ball is going to
39:19
make a difference in this game. But special teams could, could
39:22
end up, you know, if you missed a kick that can, that can turn
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out to be really big at the end. No doubt.
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John Bowen Camp, Associated Press.
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I would call it shoops.com. That's coming up.
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I read your stuff early in the week, John, your last, your Last
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Post and I would call it sports and enjoyed it as I always do.
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John, we'll talk to you down the road.
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Thank you, brother. Appreciate you coming in.
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Appreciate. Yep, have a good one.
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Yep, see you, John Bowen camp. So we check in on the Hawks.
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All right, back to baseball, our number 2, Matt Snyder,
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CBSSports.com. We'll take a look at MLB.
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What's left to decide? Actually, there's a lot left to
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sight with one week left in six days left in Major League
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Baseball's regular season. Then Sam Burnaby, after 4
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decades at the helm of the Iowa Cubs, announced his retirement.
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We'll take a look back with Sam Miller and Condon.
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An hour to go. Glad you're with us.
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