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165. [Georgia] The Murder of Claudette Ficik · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Yes, So all right, so let's go ahead and get
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  Speaker 1: into this case out of Georgia, since we are on
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  Speaker 1: borrowed time at this point. On February fifteenth, nineteen ninety four,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen year old Claudet Physic spelled ficik stu, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: She was an architecture student at Southern Tech University in Marrietta, Georgia,
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  Speaker 1: was planning a head home to visit her parents in Trenton,
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  Speaker 1: South Carolina. There was like a long weekend coming up.
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  Speaker 1: She called her parents, Craig and Mary, to let them
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  Speaker 1: know she was headed that way and that she would
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  Speaker 1: be arriving around like four thirty ish five o'clock. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't that far as only a couple hours to back
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  Speaker 1: to her hometown. She was very excited to see her
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  Speaker 1: parents and even mentioned that she might be bringing a
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  Speaker 1: guest for them to meet. Oh, you know, when Claudette
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  Speaker 1: doesn't arrive at the expected time, they're not too concerned,
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  Speaker 1: thinking maybe she got lost or something, because I guess
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  Speaker 1: they had moved to an new home in that time,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't think she'd been there yet.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe something about the farm. She'd never been in a farm.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah like that. So anyway, so they're like, maybe she
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  Speaker 1: got lost. And again, this is nineteen ninety four, so
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  Speaker 1: it's not like cell phones are the major are like
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  Speaker 1: they are today back in late nineteen hundreds, yes, the
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  Speaker 1: late nineteen hundreds. Anyway, so they're not too concerned at first.
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  Speaker 1: They're thinking, maybe she got lost, maybe there's traffic, who knows.
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  Speaker 1: So in the evening rolled around though, and there was
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  Speaker 1: no sign of Claudette. Her parents they decided to get
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  Speaker 1: in the car and go look for so they head up.
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  Speaker 1: So they had someone manning the phones at the house
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  Speaker 1: just in case she called they head up I twenty
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: and begin was it I twenty? That don't sound right.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't Maybe I wrote IE twenty
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  Speaker 1: because I was thinking.
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  Speaker 2: Weird, Well, there's an eye twenty that goes, oh.
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  Speaker 1: It does go down there. They're going to go all
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  Speaker 1: the way across.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh Dallas halloway.
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  Speaker 1: Ie forty, where you're gonna die. Apparently that's where like
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  Speaker 1: the most women go missing. All is that I forty?
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  Speaker 2: Really up in nor somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. It's very remote, very like there's no lights or anything.
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  Speaker 1: It's all wood. It's all there's large areas of all
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  Speaker 1: like government owned land that no one's going on in
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  Speaker 1: a normal like. Yeah. So I watched the thing. This
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  Speaker 1: guy's like, this is where all the women get taken.
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  Speaker 1: So he pulled over the side of the road to
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  Speaker 1: show like how easy it would be if you broke
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  Speaker 1: down on that at night, how dark it was. I know,
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  Speaker 1: he was making me nervous being out there. He's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if you broke, if you're broke down the side of
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  Speaker 1: the road here, he could be so easy to drag
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  Speaker 1: you in the woods. It was literally like ten feet
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  Speaker 1: away was this massive wooded area. Anyways, it was very scary,
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  Speaker 1: so they head up on whatever interstate is over there
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  Speaker 1: in that area, yes, and they begin checking all the exes,
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: thinking that she had probably broken down somewhere. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's like it was not very many places she could
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: have been. So by the morning time, though, there was
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  Speaker 1: still no sign of Claudette, so they contacted the police department.
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  Speaker 2: Investigators interview claudettes family and friends. They did mention that
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  Speaker 2: she might have been bringing a guest, but they did
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  Speaker 2: not know who that person was supposed to be. K.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't. She didn't divulge names anything like that
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  Speaker 1: or even like boyfriend.
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  Speaker 2: She just kind of like, hey, but I mean I'm
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  Speaker 2: bringing someone.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, but if you're a parent, I would
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  Speaker 1: think that you would know. But they the family was
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  Speaker 1: extremely Catholic, which will come into play. So I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe they thought she wasn't dating. I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: extreme Well, no, after no, that's a different thing anyways. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't know. Maybe they they're real religious and
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  Speaker 1: maybe they thought she wouldn't be dating, or they don't
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  Speaker 1: think that way. I don't know. I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: her families it was.
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  Speaker 2: Not explained, No, what they're thinking was on the matter.
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  Speaker 1: But if I was a parent and they said I
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  Speaker 1: was going to bring some home for college, I would
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  Speaker 1: assume it was a significant other.
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  Speaker 2: It was a romantic partner, yes, of some sort.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, could be boy, could be girl, we don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But of a romantic partner of some sorts.
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  Speaker 2: As long as it's human, huh.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. We just needed to be human at this point.
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  Speaker 2: Not a bob dog.
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  Speaker 1: Not your dog, Steve, You're gonna are your horse or
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  Speaker 1: something crazy. Exactly, it's human is the baseline.
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  Speaker 2: While investigators are visiting her dorm and talking to her friends,
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  Speaker 2: her friends informed the police that she had a boyfriend
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  Speaker 2: by the name of Jason Ragland. Jason was supposed to
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  Speaker 2: go with Claudette to meet her parents that weekend, and
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  Speaker 2: one of her friends said that they were a very
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  Speaker 2: happy couple and that they didn't see any issues between them.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, because of course they were asking if this is
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  Speaker 1: the person that's supposed to be with her she's missing,
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  Speaker 1: did they have issues? Was it a bad relationship? And
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  Speaker 1: nobody seemed to think that it was anything.
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  Speaker 2: Just lovey dovey all the time, kind of like us. Yep,
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  Speaker 2: all the time, lovey Devin, kind of like Steve Miller says,
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  Speaker 2: lovey devid, lovey devy all the time. Okay, stop, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: just go so you can. But I can't quote lyrics. No,
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  Speaker 2: that's where we're at at. Friends did mention an ex
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  Speaker 2: boyfriend by the name of Michael, and they said that
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  Speaker 2: he was a little bit sketchy and that if anything
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  Speaker 2: had happened to her they wouldn't put it past all
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  Speaker 2: Michael and just throw the buzzer shade all over him.
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  Speaker 2: When investigators are asking about the boyfriend and the ex boyfriend,
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  Speaker 2: they're wanting to know just more about him, and how
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  Speaker 2: did she meet them? Where do they.
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  Speaker 1: You know, where can we find them?
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  Speaker 2: Blah blah, all the good stuff, And friends tell him
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  Speaker 2: that all three of them happened to working at a
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  Speaker 2: pet store together, which seems weird.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, seems like there could be some tensions.
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  Speaker 2: Little tension, little sexual tension, and other animosity.
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  Speaker 1: Possibly things like.
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  Speaker 2: That, dudes having whatever relations with my ex girlfriend and
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: I got to see this all day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, while they were talking to friends and family,
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  Speaker 1: they do get a report of Claudette's car being found
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: in Atlanta, and now the neighborhood that there was found
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: in was known to be a crime, high crime area,
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  Speaker 1: So they don't believe that the car was there very
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: long because when they get there, the person who saw
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: it said, the keys are in the ignition, like, this
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  Speaker 1: isn't an area the car would have definitely been stolen.
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  Speaker 1: Had I think it was some guy that was maybe
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: towing cars or something in that area, He's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's no way that if this car had been here
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  Speaker 1: along with keys in it, that there's He's like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: very familiar with this area, it would have been one
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: Gone, gone and stripped down somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: So when talking to some of the people in the area,
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  Speaker 1: one of them said that they saw her walking around
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  Speaker 1: with a woman named Ronda. However, they could never find
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: anyone named Ronda or back up the story in any way,
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  Speaker 1: shape or form. It kind of just seemed like maybe someone.
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: In that area just wanted to bullshit the cops.
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  Speaker 1: And it also it just wasn't an area of Claude.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, it's a high crime area. Claudette is
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  Speaker 1: his nineteen year old architecture student this university. She's not
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  Speaker 1: going to just go walk around in this hanging around
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  Speaker 1: doing it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, her description as architects student and very religious, so
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  Speaker 2: there would be nothing down there in the form of
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: drugs or anything. The person who was talking.
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  Speaker 1: About her was trying to indicate that she was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: walking in the streets. Yes, and so anyways, the car
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: was found there. Claudette they don't believe had ever actually
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: been around there in the car. They don't feel like
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  Speaker 1: it had been dropped off that long ago, so they
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  Speaker 1: bring in the vehicle to be processed for any evidence.
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: While they continue to interview friends and family.
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  Speaker 2: Investigators head over to talk to Jason, who is the
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  Speaker 2: current boyfriend. He tells investigators that him and Claudette were
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  Speaker 2: supposed to go meet her parents that weekend. Kara, Yes, now,
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: they spent all night together on Valentine's Days.
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  Speaker 1: I remember the February fifteenth, that this is all going
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  Speaker 1: to be missing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Jason and Claudette spent the fourteenth together.
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  Speaker 1: She spent he tells investigators. She spent the night that
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  Speaker 1: night at his house, woke up that morning, and then
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  Speaker 1: she had class or whatever had to leave. Yes, why
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  Speaker 1: are you Why are you telling it to him? Why
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: are you why are you saying it like that to me, like,
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: would you like me to tell the story? Would you
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  Speaker 1: like to know?
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you're doing? Okay, you think I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what I'm talking about? What think? Yes? So
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  Speaker 2: she leaves the house after they spent a romantic evening together,
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  Speaker 2: possibly possibly not romantic. We don't know, No, it was.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure it was romantic if she spent the night.
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  Speaker 2: So then she calls back to Jason. She's like, I
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: don't know why she We don't know why she's calling him.
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  Speaker 2: But she calls him up and he's like, oh.
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: She called him up because they're making plans to go
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  Speaker 1: make it.
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  Speaker 2: What are you saying?
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  Speaker 1: We don't know why she called him? She called it.
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  Speaker 1: She goes to class. She's called him to confirm their
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  Speaker 1: plans to head out that day to your.
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  Speaker 2: Parents' house, and on to confirm she was calling to
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  Speaker 2: make sure he was ready to go.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I'm saying, like like, hey, you're ready
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  Speaker 1: to go. We're leaving at this time, Like I'll be
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: over to picks.
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: You got all you stopped, righty coat? Yes, it's good.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why you said. You don't know why.
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: She doesn't know why she's calling, well, man, that's what
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: we assume. Yes, that's exactly what happened. He said, that's
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: what happened.
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  Speaker 2: That's not what he told me.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, whatever, just go on.
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  Speaker 2: So he he all of a sudden got a cough,
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: a little tickle in his throat, and he wasn't feeling well,
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  Speaker 2: possibly a fever and chills, and he's like, Claudette, I
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  Speaker 2: can't go. I'm sick, and she's like, you're full of shit, Jason.
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: You just I just saw you. We just did it
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: last night.
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  Speaker 1: You were fine last night, you're fine this morning when
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: I left, and now all of a sudden.
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: You're sick, too sick to go see my parents.
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  Speaker 1: So she sold through. He was telling the police. She
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: got upset with him because she felt like he was
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: making it up, and then he told the police, yes,
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: I was making.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I was making it up. I was absolutely making
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  Speaker 2: it up because I didn't want to be that serious
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: with this girl to go.
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: Meet her parents, because he knew she they were very Catholic,
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  Speaker 1: So for her to bring someone home, which again is
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  Speaker 1: like why they Maybe they didn't suspect it was a boyfriend,
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: because maybe she wasn't. I don't know, maybe she didn't
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: date a lot in high school, wasn't allowed to. So
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  Speaker 1: this was moving it to a very serious state in
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: his eyes. From what are and probably from Claudette's size
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  Speaker 1: as well. If she brings him to meet her parents
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  Speaker 1: and she's very Catholic, she's expecting a marriage to be
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: coming on up pretty soon.
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  Speaker 2: Right on the heels of this visit. Yes, the next
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: week he's supposed to get an engagement wing and propose
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: a wing. Woa too what It gets real dicey when
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: you got to meet to parents. You just don't know
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: what to expect. So police are like, hey, well what
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: happened after you lie to your girlfriend? And he's like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: I went back to bed, woke up around two, and
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  Speaker 2: then he said he went into the pet store and
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: he picked up a shift from three to ten, because
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: you know, being the manager of the fish department has
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  Speaker 2: its post.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: He was the manager of the fish department at the
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: pet store, so he could pick up a shift if
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: he so chose, or things like that. Investigators now head
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: over to the cat department to talk to my No,
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: I'm kidding, I don't know what department.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: It was, the gurbile department.
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  Speaker 1: But they can get you know, he was there, so
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: they go over there and talk to Michael.
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  Speaker 2: They get a little caddy in between the departments.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he told investigators on Wednesday he was off that day,
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: but he was just at home by himself, so he
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: didn't really have much of an alibi per se. When
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: they asked about his relationship with Claudette, he said that
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: she had broken up with him when she began dating Jason,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: and he didn't want to break up with Claudette, but
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: it was her decision. She made her decision. She wanted Jason.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: Michael was out, the fish are in, the cats are out.
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  Speaker 1: So here we are anyway, So even though it was
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: a hard he took it hard, like his feelings were hard,
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: obviously because he's the one being broken up with. He
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: said that they continue to work at the pet store
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: after that, because it wasn't like that serious of a thing.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: You know, he was upset he got broken up with,
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: but not enough click but.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: His job store.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Anyways. I don't know how easy it was to get
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: a job in nineteen eighty four. Was the economy good?
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I had a job in nineteen ninety four,
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: So you did.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, then it must have been pretty good.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Then Uncle Sam's misguided children was my employer.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Anyway. So they go and speak to a class mood.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Class moot, and you were making fun of me for
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: not being O I know that.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Store a classmate of Claudette. It's double standards, do Yes,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: they go and speak to a classmate of Claudette who
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: had given her a Valentine's State card because they had
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: found this card in her in her room. Yeah, so
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: he said that he had seen her that day and
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: he spoke to her about her trip to South Carolina.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: She said she was going. Everything seemed fine with her.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: She must have been before she talked Old Jason about
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: him being sick. Yes, Now investigators are suspicious of the
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: classmate because he was the last one to have seen her.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of a red flag. And he appears
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: that the Valentine's Day card was more one sided. He
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: had a crush on Claudette. She was nice to him,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: but obviously she had a pretty serious boyfriend, or so
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: she thought at the time. Now, with this information, investigators
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: put both the ex boyfriend the classmate and the boyfriend
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: the current boyfriend on their radar. Of potential suspects.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: As the police are looking into this case and their
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: investigating doing their thing, words starts getting out into the
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: news that Claude d is missing. Shortly after that, they
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: receive a hand delivered note from I don't know who,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: doesn't remember who hand delivered the note.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, hand delivered me, meaning someone probably just dropped it
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: off outside the station. Stew. Nobody handed it over. It's
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: hand delivered, meaning it didn't come for the mall. There's
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: no postage or anything to track the person. Someone left
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: it at the police station. That's hand delivered. Stew. It
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean hand to hand delivered. I didn't say.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: That's signed for it. No. Now, in this note there's
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: a map, and this map is stating where Claudette's body
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: is in Dallas, Georgia. Police take the map. They search
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: this area that's on the map. It's very wooded, it's
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: very muddy. It takes a couple of days and nope,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: and they just don't find anything. After that search is complete,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: a few days later, they received another hand drawn map
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: basically covering the same area, saying that's where Claudette's body is.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Low It was a little bit more detailed drink map,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: but it was in the same vicinity, so they were
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: thinking maybe the person you know, was like, Okay, they
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: didn't find it, I need to draw that maps.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: They were thinking that's what the killer was thinking.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: You think that's what the police were thinking. The killer
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: was thinking, oh do gotcha?
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Wondering if someone is just messing with them or if
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: this is real information. Police decided they still need to
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: go and investigate this location again, so this time they
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: bring dogs and they brought in additional help from the
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: sheriff's department in the area, but they still could not
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: find anything.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the boyfriend and classmate had both agreed to take
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: a polygraph test. The ex boyfriend was like, nah, I'm good,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: and unless they're going to bring in and they don't
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: have any they don't have enough on any of them
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: to really draw up a case at this point, so
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: all they can do is kind of have what they're
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: going to give them. So the investigators got the results
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: back and the boyfriend passed, which we all you know, bullshit,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: but anyways, the boyfriend passed, while the classmate failed at
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: one of the questions, saying that he harmed he didn't
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: harm Claude dead or whatever. So they go back and
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: they interview the classmate three or four more times. At
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: this point they were like, yeah, and the GBI is
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: involved at this point, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. So
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: investigation Georgia Bureau of Investigation.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, it's like the FBI, but for Georgia.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, yes, I know that Georgie. I don't know. Investigation
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: didn't sound right at the end for some reason, I
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: don't know. Anyway, so they're like, yeah, he passed. The
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: boyfriend passed the light detector test, so we were like, oh,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: he probably didn't do it. So they go like, harden
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: on this classmate, and they're thinking, he's like this possessive
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: guy that you know, maybe Claudette didn't reciprocate. He tried
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: to advance with her and then something happened.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Just had a crash.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Huh, yeah, he just had a little crush, gave a
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: little Valentine. I mean, these are basically kids. They're nineteen eighteen,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: nineteen year old kids at the college and stuff like that.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: So anyways, so he and like you said, he was
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: also the last one to see Claudette. So they really
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: like hammering on him and he tells them like, no, emphatically,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I did not harm claud It. They don't really have
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: anything else to go on, so they kind of have
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: to move on from him right now, but he's definitely
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: still in the mix and he might be their number
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: one suspect. At this point. They continue to look into
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: that those maps because that's kind of all they have
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: right now is the maps because they have no body.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: They have her vehicle, which they have looked through, but
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: they didn't really find anything, So now they've just got
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: these maps which might lead back to the person who
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: did this. However, as they're looking around, they find out
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: that this happened to another sheriff's department, that someone was
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: turning in false maps to a locate a body or
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: locate a crime. So they look into it and they're
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: pretty sure that the person who did that is also
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: sending them the maps because the maps were located in
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: the vicinity of that person's house. That man's house, so
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: he was probably just sitting they're sitting there.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Watching them, sending there with the binoculars, watch.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Like he just gets off on this, like fucking what people, yes,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: specifically the police, So they didn't have enough to charge demand.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: But they at this point were like, Okay, these maps
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: were just false leads and to throw us off or
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: just waste wasting time.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Investigators finally do get a major break once some people
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: kayaking in a river came across a female body and
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: a river in Athens, Georgia.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: It's the o'connee River. It's spelled oco Inee, so if
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: you're from that area. But it's a big river in Georgia.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I think it's like two hundred miles long.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Two hundred miles yeah, I think so that's a big river.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: It's two hundred and twenty mile long river in Georgia
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: that originates in Hall County and flows south to join
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: the Alkmalgi River to form the altamaw Haw River. It
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: is a significant waterway for recreation with greenways, parks and
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: camping areas along its banks.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Thank you Wikipedia.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Actually that's oh, that is from that is from Wikipedia.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: The body was tied up and it was weighted down
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: with a boat anchor and angle iron and tied up
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: with nylon rope. Investigators from Cobb County quickly heard about
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: the body being found. They went over and they did
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: identify it as Claudette. Based on the ietops, she had
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: appeared she had died six weeks earlier, and that she
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: had died from asphyxiation and then was disposed of in
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: the river.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: There was also other damage to her, but it was
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: hard to tell exactly what went what happened because of
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the because of the decomposition of her having been in
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: the river for that long period of time. So uh,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: it was hard to tell exactly. But from what from
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: what I read and found could look up, it's appeared
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: that asphyxiation was what they believed. They do believe that
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: she was murdered prior to being thrown in the river.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: She didn't go in a love Yeah. Now investigators don't
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: have much more to go on in terms of fifth
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: physical evidence.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Like I just said, stuck, yes, yes, I skipped ahead.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: They don't have much fit. Like I said, the body's
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: in a bad shape. It's been in water for six weeks.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's not a good thing for
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: any evidence.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Especially in a southern state like Georgia, Mississippi, because it
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: is February.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: However, you could get a warm spell every once in
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: a while. It ain't guaranteed. It's going to be like here,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: we had this warm even all the way up here
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: in West Texas. We just had three or four days
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: of eighty degree weather out of nowhere from it being
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: in the forties to now eighties. That's why stew was
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: busy with his project.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: That's why I'm busy with my project. Gotta get it
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: done well. In my defense, in the summertime, it's too hot,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: it's outside the temperatures the other way, Yes.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: This is an extreme.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: It's got to be be climate fifty and ninety degrees
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: fahrenheit to apply this.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, and so that's only happens it's not spring and fall, yes,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: around here, because it's easily over ninety degrees all the time.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Getting back to her story, I.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Mean it was over ninety degrees like two weeks ago,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: three weeks ago. I was like, what the fuck? Why
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: can't it just get cold?
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Like, why does it have to be It needs to
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: be cold so I can plan my tropical vacation to Mexico.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, that was a wild hair. I backed off from it.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know why you were on board. I said, hey,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: hear me out, And all of a sudden I brought
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: up Spirit Airlines and you were.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I'll do it. No, I haven't said that.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, I don't know.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, Spirit Lines it was two hours and twenty
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: minute flight from Dallas. It was so we were gonna
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: be able to get for one thousand dollars a flight
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: from from Dallas to so we would have to drive
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: to Dallas to Cancun for one thousand dollars for five people.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: That's like a really good deal. It's a two hour
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: and twenty minute flight. What do we need? What do
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: we need?
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Private airplane?
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: And then if you fly from actually here, it was
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: like two thousand dollars and you can only do it
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: with like American or United it was way more.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Well, how much is the drive in the hotel room
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: going to cost us?
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Well, the drive's not gonna Yeah, the drive's not gonna
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: cost any thing. And then we have one hundred it's
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: not okay, nobody wants to hear about this.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: This is.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Nonsense. Okay, they probably don't even want to hear.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Well, I was trying to get back to our story. However,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: you wanted to continue on down the path, All right, go,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: can you even men? I was right, No, since police
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: are finding all this nylon. Where was I the pieces
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: that were used to weigh her down.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: The angle iron, the angle iron specifically was a key
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: one because an angle iron is what they use in construction.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: It's like a steel yes, angle yes, So that that
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: stuck out to them as odd.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Since two of the top suspects are basically their only
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: suspects work at the fish store. They start there, not.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: They're only the classmate is done. It's not work at
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: the fish store. I forgot and he felt the polygraph
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: and so it's stupid GBI. Back in nineteen ninety four,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I guess thought that that was the be all Induls.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: The all end Alls bring them in boys. Anyway, they
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: started looking around the pet store to see if anything
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: matches in the stuff that they found with Claudette. Now,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: the angle iron is used in construction, and nearby the
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: pet store is a construction zone, Cara, if you can
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: believe it.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, I can believe that's too.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Now they walk over there to see if anything matches,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: and they talked to the construction foreman. He identifies the
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: angle iron as coming from there based on the number
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: printed on the inside of the piece of steel.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they had that exact because I guess there's different
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: designs can be for the like different links, different everything
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: that one they were using was specifically used at that
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: construction site. And then he's they're all printed I guess
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: in a seria or I don't know how they're I.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Guess they got a lot number printed on him.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's like, oh, yeah, this is part of
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: that lot. But if they're buying, if they're in the
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: construction business, that because they probably buy things in bulk
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: and things like that.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, I don't know if every site
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: gets its own lot number or something so that they
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: know what piece of it might if there's a warranty or.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Or an issue or something issue or something. If you're
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: buying enough.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: You get I guess if you're in the wholesale angle
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: iron business, you can let us know. After they show
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: him the piece of steel, they show him pictures of
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Claudettes coworkers, which are the ex boyfriend and the boyfriend,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: and he recognizes the boyfriend as someone who has been
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: over to borrow bricks or taking bricks or things like
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: that to use in the pet store.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. For I don't know, the fish need a brick
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: or rocks is what I was thinking was like maybe
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: for their little their little aquariums or things like that.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: But he had come over there and he had seen him.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: He had frequented the construction.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Like he was out there scavenging things.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, so this is like, okay, this is a red flag.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: This is we might have our Even though he passed
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: his polygraph, it can be him he passed. Now with
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: this information, they were able to obtain a search. Weren't
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: for Jason's apartment. Now in the time since Claudette had disappeared,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: he had moved in with relatives. But they were able
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: to go to that old apartment and it actually was
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: near where the body was found, and they searched this apartment. Well,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: upon searching, they find that there are bloodstains under the carpet.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: But that's because when they go in there, they're like,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, this looks like new carpet. So someone
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: had put down new carpet and underneath they used luminol
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: and they could see like massive amounts of blood. And
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: then they were able to pull that and they were
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: able to test it and match it up with Claudet.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: So with this information they were able to on April eleventh,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, since was just not that. About two
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: months after Claudette went missing, they were able to arrest
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Jason Raglan for the murder of Claudet. Now on top
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: of charging him with the murder for Claudette. We haven't
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: told you guys this part yet.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Tell me.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Whenever they were performing the autopsy, they he did find
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: out that Claudette was four months pregnant. So he is
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: being charged with both murders. Now, they the case would
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: never go to trial. They go back and forth, and
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: they've decided. He decides to plea out because he wants
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: to avoid the death penalty. So he pleas out and
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: on August in August of nineteenninety six, he pleads guilty
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: to the murder of Claudette as well as the unborn child,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: and he is sentenced to life in prison. So investigators
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: believe what happened. He's Claudet's getting serious about that.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: So he didn't say anything. What do you mean he
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: didn't say anything in his Playdell. This is all speculational, Yes.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: This is what they believe happened or whatever, because, like
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: we said, we've talked about with this whole Brian coburger thing.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: It apparently it can be required that they say something.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: But again, but we've seen that one's where they that
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: one we did when he put this girlfriend in the
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: trash compactor or whatever. It's all just like lies.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: She fell out once she a heart attack.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: He said she fell and hit her head and he
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: didn't panic, didn't know what to do. Anyways, they believe
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: what happened was Claudette is because she was only four
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: months pregnant, so she probably wasn't showing or anything like
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: that anyway, so she they believe what happened was she
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: spent Valentine's Day with him, and then they had plans
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: to go home to see her parents, and then that's
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: when she or she they believe that she told him
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: she was pregnant. He's like panicking a little bit. That's
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: why she's like, you need to come home meet my parents.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Like we're gonna have to get married. I'm Catholic, Like
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: we can't, this can't. We can't have this baby out
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: of wedlock.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: So in the time bad enough that we're gonna be Yeah,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: we're gonna.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Have to lie about the birthday or lie about we're.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Gonna have We're gonna have to move the wedding date
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: or the birthday of the child around.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: The baby's either gonna be premature, a nine pound premium.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Or or we were married five months ago.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, so she tells him this, and that's why they
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: believe he was going home to meet the parents, because
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: this has gotten very serious, very quickly. Well, then whenever
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: she goes to confront him after he says he's not
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: gonna go, do we even know if this happened, Uh, well,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: we don't know, but that's what they're just having to
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: They believe she confronted him again, and whenever he tried
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: to back out of going, like maybe she didn't call him,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: maybe she went and talked to him in person, he
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: got upset and he decides to kill her, and then
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: he has to dispose the body. So he takes her
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: to this river and dumps her in it, and then
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: dispose of her car in this neighborhood, probably hoping it
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: does get stolen because he left the keys in it,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and then that didn't happen.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: And then whenever they find out somebody with the car,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: that person gets.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or they never find the car, and then they
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: never find the body. And what happened. Was it rained
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: a lot, and that's why they believe the body was
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: able to float to the surface. Things just got there
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: was a lot of rushing wood, yeah, in the river yep.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: So anyway, so we were talking about this, I'm like,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: this is like absolutely insane. So your solution, because you
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: don't want to marry this girl that's now pregnant with
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: your child, is to kill her, like there are other options.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: It always just baffles me that this is what goes
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: through these people's heads that they're just going to go
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: to like, well, I'll just murder them. It'll be fine,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I'll get away with it. I've never done this before.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Other people that get caught or stupid.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I'm a manager oft at the fish department at the
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: pet store.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, as I am, I know what these fish think. Yeah,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: they told me how to get rid of a body. Okay,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: what help out because I'm a manager at a fish department.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Anyways, That's not what I was thinking. But it just
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: like I feel like he was like, well, I'm needed
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: to manager at the fish department at this pet store
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: and I'm only like twenty something years old, so I'm
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: brilliant figure this out. Anyways. It's just like there are
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: other options. You can just like not be involved or
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: as I mean, it sounds bad, but it's better than
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: like killing them is like then you're going to just
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: have to be an irresponsible, shitty dad and walk away.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can just sign away rights and move on.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah that sounds terrible, store, but it's better than like
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: there's other the same thing as like these men that
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: don't want to divorce their wives.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: It's like just it would look bad in my family
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: or my religion, or it.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Would be better to kill somebody.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: It's just get away with it.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like that one lady, who is that lady the
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: one that wrote the book about her husband, the one
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: their dad dies and all that.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Turn to the three books where she killed her husband.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, you find the one woman that's killed
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: her husband? Is an example one woman. Please, it's always
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: the husband's killing the wives. It's the husbands and the
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: dads are terrible.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, you got nothing, best watch out woman.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Anyways, So that's our case out of Georgia. Absolutely just
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: just completely ridiculous too.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: To murder her for for that for such a reason.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, because she wants you to take responsibility.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's probably not a good wanted to have fun.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: You wanted to have fun. Oh, there's good reasons to
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: murder somebody.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Thinking of a couple right now.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, I could think of a lot of things, so
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: I could like this good reason to murder somebody. Somebody
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: like every time you hear one of those dads that
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: like murders their their daughter's rapists or something like that. Yeah,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: it's great reason to murders.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Not guilty, Yes, anybody like that. Yeah, wood chippers, you
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: always go with the wood chipper.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: It's not far ghost too, Okay.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: I mean why not? All right?
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Do you have a yell need Jesus of course I have,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: or I get myself implicated in some sort of murder
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: crimes being that I that I uh that I said
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: murdering people was okay.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, there's reasons to do there are there can be
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: just file justifiable homicides. Okay, do you have it wild up?
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Do you have it ready?
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Or no? No, I don't.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I can talk about what we're making for dinner, so
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I made No, are you you work on that?
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: What?
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Why are you looking at? I'm going to talk to
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: the people because I'm assuming it gonna take you thirty
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: seconds so I don't have to pause and start up again.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I'm making white chicken chili, and it is chicken. It's beans,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: white beans, like white kidney beans. I'm still on bean talk,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: you know, Stu. I'm still well. I was off bean
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: talk because we had the baby who was having her
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: stomach troubles, so we didn't eat a lot of beans.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: But I'm back on. So I had a cup of
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: beans this morning, so I got to eat a cup tonight.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: You're supposed to eat two cups a day, which is
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: basically a can I think. Anyways, it's chicken, it is beans,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: some seasonings like oregano, chili powder, Cuman coming for the perverts. Uh,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: it's green chilies. It's chicken broth. And then after it all,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: it was supposed to be corantine. But we're actually out
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: of corn. We've been trying to cut back on groceries
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: and basically use what's in the pantry, so we are
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: out of like canned go's at this point in time
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: because we've been trying to use everything up. Anyways, and
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: so then after it's been in the in the crock
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: pot for a couple of hours, then I'm going to
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: add a block of cream cheese to it and let
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: it sit again so it'll make like a creamy white
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: chicken chili stew.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: It sounds that's what we're having for scrus.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: I've been real into soups here late because it's soup season.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: But do you have the do you have it ready store?
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: I thought you said you had it ready to go?
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: I lied I didn't have one because.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I thought you said that you found when they was like,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: this is right up your alley.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Well it was. It was about a guy that I
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: thought he was like a scammer, and they found him
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: on match dot com. But it looked long and calm, bolluted.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: So I think I just touched my eye with that
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: hand that I use that cut that pepper. I think
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: my eye is about to just burst.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I thought you said they weren't that spicy.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Doesn't matter if you get it on your eyeball, it's
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: kind of right.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have the pause if you don't. You didn't
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: actually have one. I thought I was just talking about
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: dinner because I thought you actually had one. All right,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Stu's gotta go find this because he had one job
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: and he failed to do it.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I was working on a project in the art. You
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: have plenty of beautify.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: It takes you to sit on the toilet. You had
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: plenty of time to find a yar need Jesus. All right,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: it's been eighty.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Four years and we are back eighty four years.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: It's been eighty four years. That's from the Titanic.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Well, you are about that. You're about halfway there now.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I ain't say.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: What two soon you're about to be part of a
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: yall need Jesus. If you don't knock it off.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Restaurant workers stop would be thief from kidnapping. They're eighteen
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars robot coworker Florida or not Florida, not Florida.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: They wouldn't stop.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: They'd probably help load it up.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, they would be in on the.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Hest coming to us. From The New York Post by
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Caitlin McCormick, January twenty sixth, twenty twenty five. Folk, that
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: see what she did there? Folk, Then it's a faux restaurant.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Oh fu phuh oh, it's pronounced phu. Okay, it's phos.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: I don't need a lot of phuh. It's fuf fhu.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: That that's why she did it like that.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, she did pho dash k.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's how it's pronounced. I don't eat
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: a lot either, but I'm pretty sure I've heard people
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: say phu, so it's very popular. So someone out there
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: is probably.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Yelling at the nook because I don't eat it.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: You don't eat fuck, I don't.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Eat phuh or phone employees at a California fo FA
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: faux or a Phu restaurants stopped a would be thief
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: from kidnapping their eighteen thousand dollars robot Cara as the
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: man awkwardly struggled to load the mechanical server into his car.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: This is what's happening. We're humanizing these robots, and this
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: is the fir bad thing.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: In this story.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, they're calling a coworker and they're trying to
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: save the coworker. Yes, it's not risking your life. Would
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: you risk your life to save them if they took
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: the computer off the desk for the POS system, that's
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: point of sell, not piece of shit. Would you risk
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: your life for that?
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: No?
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: But you will for this robot coword because now you've
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: you're like Fawn you're like, oh, that's our book.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: At this robot Cara, it's got little eyes and a
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: bow tie.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Put him a bow tie. This is this is the well,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: the candy canes, the downhill, this is the downfalls.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: This is how the robots take over. That's exactly what
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: and just start using this as batteries. YEP. Security photo
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: footage inside the restaurant in South San Jose captured the
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: moment the attempted thief entered the restaurant around seven am,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: just twenty minutes before they opened Cara. The man asked
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: to use the bathroom and disappeared around the corner. According
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: to the camera surveillance of the issue, he then double
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: back from the bathroom, tried to pick up one of
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: the restaurants three robot servers, wraps his arms around the
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: middle of it and tries to pick it up.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: He's just trying to help out the economy because now
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: there's three robot servers. Probably took the job of like
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: six regular humans.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Right, double shifts and all that. Can't work a double
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: no more because you've got rent coming up at the
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: end of next week. You're like, hey, I gotta work
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: doubles all week.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: But the robot then took your It's a slippery slope, so.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: He's waddling as he struggles to carry it out the store.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: One of the onlooking employees tried to stop him as
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: he awkwardly carried the bot out the door. All you
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: got to do is push the guy and he'll probably
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: drop it. It seems like it's heavy if you just
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: push some sort of like.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Other like a movie plot and how it all starts.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Yes, this is this is like a common I wouldn't.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Save the robot. Okay, the robots stealing your job right out.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Once outside, the man dragged the robot on the sidewalk.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Heaved it into the back of his car. He had
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: the robot in the robot Wally Wow, Wally's where it
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: all started at. Yeah, so he had it in his
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: car for about ten seconds. The other employees emerge. They wrestle.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Is this crazy? As as this author puts it, the
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: helpful robot away.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: There is no way that anybody if you were at
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: a work and someone loaded a bunch of merchandise into
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: the backtor car, they would go out there and wrestle
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: them for it. This is because we've humanized the robots,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: and this is bad.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to go out there and get shout
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: over the straws.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Well that's his base, but that's what the robot is.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: He's just he's not a real person. He's not like
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: he took your coworker, Sally. He took the robot.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: I do not share Karen's opinion. My aid overlords that
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: are listening. Yes, they eventually made the man surrender the
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: robot then called police. The robot server is valuated approximately
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: eighteen thousand dollars, but would have been worthless to the
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: would be thief.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, what's he going to do with this robot? That's
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: that probably has to be plugged in to be programmed.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: He's topping the economy. He's just gonna throw it in
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: a garbage cam.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: You know, it's a shame these people sit there and
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: risk their life for this. That company to give two
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: shits about them. They'll fire them tomorrow and replace them
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: with the robot, which is what they did.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: They'll get they'll get a security a robot to protect
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: their other robots.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, this is like, no, stop helping these companies out.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: It's they're not worth it to risk your life to
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: save them some money. But it's because they've humanized the robots.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Don't humanize the robots.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: No, don't. Not to mention if you want to steal
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: in these robots, I feel like maybe like the Domino's
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: one is better to steal because he's just out by himself.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have any humans.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: To I mean take a double as a as a cooler. Yeah,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: I mean got all that room for pizzas, he can
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: put a ice in there.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because those are just rolling around out there, and
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: like some of these cities just delivering pizza just unawares.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: This is so weird.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, this robot's supposedly required specialized programming, which made it
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: unusable outside the restaurant altogether.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: No, I'm pretty sure you can't program the robot to
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: do whatever you want. Whatever he thought he was going
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: to program, this is not like a hole or anything.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: No, it's not one of them robots you want to
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: use for that purpose. But I don't know. Maybe he's
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: going to strip it down for the copper inside, don't.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: No, I think he thought that he was going to
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: have him as sex robot.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: No, this does not even know.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, they don't.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: There's no hole in this one.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: He was like, all, build build one. If I build it,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: he will come.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's pretty funny. I did not see that one
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: common you want me to give you some more time.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: No humans or robots were reported injured, according to the local.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: So now we've separated the human from the robots, but.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: We're worried about them getting hurt. The little robot that
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: could is back to serving up foe to its hand
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: wringing hardwirings. What the hell hard wirings content?
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Okay again, we've now this is not good to do anyways.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: This is more of a This should be a tell,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: a cautionary tale, not a y'all need jesus.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Well, we're full board with the AI right now. That's
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: all anybody's talking about any day in the business world.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: I know they keep trying to get me to use
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: AI at work and stuff and everything. But the problem
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: is is that you can only use AI so much.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Well, if you use a I, then you're helping out AI.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: But the only but you can use you can only
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: AI is only as good as its input. So people
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: stop creating and having human put into the system. They
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: can't pull it out. They're just pulling out whatever we
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: put in they don't.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Help you use AI to help you, you're just helping
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: the algorithms out.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: No, but they're pulling.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: No.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: But if nobody ever creates anything original again, they can't
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: pull from it. They need that data source of humans
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: inputting into the internet writing articles things like that.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: You don't think it'll become self aware one day and
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: be able to be its own creative force.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I'm scared anyways, all Right, we gotta go, so don't
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: forget rate review, subscribe, join the Patreon, buy me a coffee, TikTok, Instagram,
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• 46:15
  Speaker 2: But they put more stuff into the story that was
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: unrelated to the original story that I could have read.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, we're moving on though, because the bait I can
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: hear the baby, So all right, we will. We should
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: have an episode out by next Friday. Saturday is timeframe.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: If we don't, then it's over.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: It's not happening because uh, we're going to run out
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: of time. Yes, so anyways, and then there'll be nothing
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: for Thanksgiving. So if we fail this week, then that
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: means there's nothing until after Thanksgiving. But we're gonna try
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: not to. Okay, we're gonna try, but I don't have
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: a robot to help me out, so all right, anything
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: else do? Hm hmmm, So we come on now, okay,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: all right, we will see you next time by Everyondnesday.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Bye Stu, Bye Stan. Know it's bad luck to be superstitious.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: My nothing else. It's working, and my hand is really hurting,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: and I'm sick. It's worry b things I can bet