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One Piece, 450 & 451 · Spoil Me! One Piece

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  This is an Unspoiled Network podcast. This is spoil Me, covering one piece
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  episodes four forty nine through four fifty one, Magellan's Tricky Move, a foiled
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  escape plan, the Escapee Team in trouble, the Forbidden Move, Venom Demon,
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  and come Final Miracle break through the Gate of Justice. In these episodes,
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  I think I accidentally talked about episode four to forty nine, last episode,
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  which is the second time that I fucked it up. Sorry about that,
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  guys. But then we have a really heart wrenching goodbye from mister two
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  and I am so sad about it. Welcome to spoil Me, Welcome to
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  the show everyone. I am Natasha hey, and I'm Floya. Hello.
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  Hey, Florian is here. After a few failed attempts, we have gotten
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  it working. Yay. We love technology. Oh man, It's like it's
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  such a miracle and when it works, it's amazing, and when it doesn't
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  work, you feel like it's personal. Yes, you know, like really
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  offended, Like yeah, all right, so you know what I have to
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  ask you off the top, why did you choose these episodes to do a
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  want to be episode for Well, yeah, the MVP, mister tu Bonclay
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  like honestly, I have to pay my respects. Oh my god, I
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  love him, so do you guys know how gratified I am by his character
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  arc. I really thought that the whole thing with Alabasta, that was it,
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  and I hadn't yet understood back then the trope with like a long running
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  anime that characters come back all the time. So now that I'm beginning to
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  understand that, even though I'll be sad to say goodbye to somebody, it
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  is in the back of my mind maybe we will see them again. But
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  at the time, with you know, the way he gave himself up,
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  I was just like, that is a really great end for that character.
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  But I'm so sad that we only just became friends and he's gone. And
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  then this episode, like I had this arc full of Bonclay so great,
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  and then he sacrifices again, and I was just like, I just want
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  him to be with our friends and be happy and not have to keep doing
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  this all the time. And I love him and I admire him and I
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  respect him, But also, wasn't there another way? There wasn't, But
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  I'm really sad. Yes, that's that's what's really the sad part about it.
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  Oh my god, I speaking of your courage before I started again listening
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  to from the beginning to be honest, Oh my really, yes, you
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  just like entered the Grand Line now, meeting Lagoon and VV and everybody there
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  for the first time. And what I found really funny, like when you
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  talked about Buggy one point, you were like, I just I just want
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  them to have like not team up, but have like a address like an
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  enemy enemy kind of thing going on. You know, you straight up said
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  that I don't remember that. That's fun. It was like, yeah,
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  I mean back then, I already knew that it would true, but now
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  you know it as well, So yay. That's something that I really like
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  about the live action is, you know, because they have to have certain
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  characters, like the actors are on contract to show up a certain number of
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  times. You can't just have somebody like on and off again the way you
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  can in the anime. So they have had to make Buggy a recurring character
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  in a way that he wasn't for that arc. And I really really like
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  it. It's absolutely you know, like just like my two cents to the
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  live action, I loved it. I think it's great, and I think
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  it brings a whole new audience to one piece as well. Like, yes,
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  I've seen a lot of YouTube reactions and stuff like that of people who
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  have never watched it or anything, and a lot of them also started in
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  the anime, and I mean, I feel like that's what they wanted.
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  So yeah, that's true too, and like I feel like it's a good
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  and truth. Like I have friends that tried to watch the anime and they
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  really couldn't get into it because of the slow pacing and everything. And I
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  feel like the show is able to tighten things up so much that they still
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  get to be part of a fandom with it and know the characters really well
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  because they're very true to the characters. But they get a viewing experience that
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  aligns more with what they were hoping for, you know, so it sort
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  of works out. It's like you can't just do the live action and you
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  know you're not getting the full effect of everything else. But it's early days
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  yet, Like I wonder how long they'll be able to keep this show going.
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  I mean, yes, see things crossed. I mean I just hope
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  the best for this project. Same we would see because the long age goes
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  on the more difficulty could get. But yeah, so did you listen to
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  my last recording because Michelle and s Tricky Escape move a foiled escape plan episode
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  four forty nine, I could swear I talked about and I didn't go back
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  and like re listen because I was rewatching right before recording with you, and
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  it was then that I was like, hold on a second, so I
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  didn't have time. But apologies to anybody listening who is like, bitch,
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  don't you recall that you did this? I kind of recall I think I
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  may have, and super super sorry about it. I hate fucking that up.
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  It's really tough, though, because the number of episodes changes every time,
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  and I will look at the spreadsheet and sometimes I will just register for
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  three episodes today and I won't look specifically at the numbers. And I'm wondering
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  if I looked at it like one particular day that was supposed to be just
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  two and transposed the following day and was like, oh, it's three today
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  and then wound up ahead of myself. So sorry everybody about that, because
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  and it's a really good episode. I really enjoyed this, this first of
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  the three. But yeah, no, but wait just to be clear.
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  Which episodes did you watch for this? Now? Let's see, sorry,
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  let me go back and make sure. Let's see you said four forty nine,
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  four fifty four fifty one. That's what I said on my spreadsheet.
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  I'm pretty sure. Am I wrong? Did it? Hold on? Hold
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  on? Hold on? Because I feel like you you did. I did
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  I short it or something? Then you did short it like hold on,
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  which would not be two. I did short it. Oh my god,
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  Flrian, Yeah, oh my god, I didn't watch four fifty two.
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  I looked it up in a different way than I even thought. It's fine.
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  Oh my god. I mean, I'm honestly mainly here for the one
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  in the middle, so like the for fifty one, so the last one
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  that you watched basically for you. I'm so sorry. Oh yeah, I
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  kept thinking that's so weird. I could Oh my god, how did I
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  miss thish y'all? I thought I was doing real well today too. I
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  watched these three like, I watched these three episodes twice. I not only
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  fucked up one time, I sucked it up twice. Boran, Oh my
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  god, I'm such a no maybe a little a little bit, but but
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  now honestly, honestly, and the I mean, I will not tell you
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  what happens in the third of these episodes, but it's not like the reason
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  it would, you know, for me. For me, it truly is
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  like the whole book play stuff. Okay, that's still that's still in there.
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  Well that's something m hmm. Well then we then maybe we have a
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  little bit more time to talk about the character that I really like to laugh
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  in this arc, and that's actually mister free Ah okay, because I don't
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  know, like like the first time he showed up, I was like not
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  really interested in him. I found it to be like kind of boring,
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  and honestly, when you you know, it's the kindkind of thing when you
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  go back and kind of would compare. It's not like that he's a totally
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  different character, but he was way more serious and well even darker, you
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  know. And this time I remember being genuinely like intimidated by him when he
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  first showed up. Yeah, and so and here he is like way more
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  comedy heavy in a way, and I don't know, I just love that
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  and I just loved that he kind of had his moment helping against Michel,
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  and yeah, I don't know, I just love this whole world, this
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  basically magic system that all the created, where like there you have like this
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  one like super strong power, you know like Magellan has, and then you
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  have but maybe just you need the right counter to that, you know,
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  like you need the one right power to counteract that. And I find that
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  like defascinating. And we've seen it before with anal and Loofy, you know,
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  like where anl was like electricity and oh right, and now because the
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  then he called something different in the dub, I think, yeah, that's
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  it. Yes, So every time you guys say that, I'm always just
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  like who for a second, but A got it? Yeah, But basically
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  like this principle of yeah, basically it's like a Pokemon thing, you know,
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  like where water beats fire. Yes, yeah, I just find and
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  I just find that super satisfying in a way. So totally agree. So
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  like shout outs to mister Free. I'm not saying that he's like the best,
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  but I find it pretty good in this one. You know what I
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  like about the four forty nine is the one where he puts the wall up
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  and unexpectedly is able to stop the huge tide of poison. Magel and is
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  sending. But in that scene, there's a moment where Crocodile is like he
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  says something really hard. She says something like I guess that piece of garbage
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  was worth something after all, or made himself useful, like he's really mean
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  and uh, because the whole like way things ended with Crocodile was him literally
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  feeding mister three to what were those creatures called, I'm banana gators? Oh
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  my god, I fucking forgot. Oh my god, I forgot that.
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  There's like a little banana. What is that? Oh my god, hold
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  on, I gotta look things up again. I gotta see these again.
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  Banana gators? One? What? Why? Where did he this idea?
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  I'm so sorry, I got guys. Okay, well, if you're already
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  there and maybe you have remember you find these little ones also really funny.
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  The messenger salamanders or like the like there were like little and I've got how
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  you reptiles that like sprinted through the desert and they had like a bow tie
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  and brought messengers and oh my god, I forgot about those guys, the
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  boat ties and stuff. And they had like those legs that like, yes,
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  that like come out like windmill. Oh my god, this whole series
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  has some really unparalleled creature designs. Sometimes sometimes it's like a fucking horrible fever
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  dream and I'm going this, I don't want to look at it. I
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  hate it. And sometimes it's so like whim but it feels like a different
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  series. Oh my god, the banana Gater guys, I'm just looking at
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  all these pictures now, and I had forgotten and it is I had forgotten
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  that the bananas are basically the same color as the rest of their skin,
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  so it just looks like there's a banana lodged under their skin, which is
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  such a weird choice. Like, I don't think it's less weird than making
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  the banana on their head an actual banana color. That would be just as
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  weird, but it's just unexpected. I'm sorry, I'm so distracted. Okay,
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  let me close this window. Stop. But anyway, what I was
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  saying was that mister Three's you know, been uh literally, somebody was like,
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  you suck so bad at your job, I would rather you be dead.
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  And then he gets thrown in prison, which I don't think we've gotten
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  any stories about how they all wind up here. Do we like how each
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  of them got got not really, I feel like there, I know there
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  is like a cover story of this, like a side story. Oh,
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  I don't know if we ever send it to you. I was, yeah,
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  I was gonna ask if it was something that ever happens in the series,
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  Like do we ever get this story? It's not. I don't need
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  it, just to be clear, I'm not over here, Like I can't
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  believe they haven't told us. It's fine, But I wouldn't be averse to
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  it either. I if we, I think it would be better to have
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  it be like the the backstories of maybe three characters in like one episode,
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  instead of them each getting their own backstory episode and just kind of quickly go
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  through that. Yeah, but uh, whatever it is, there's a sense
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  for me when you're talking about how mister three used to be more serious than
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  he is here and he feels a little bit more, he feels more silly,
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  honestly, And I really am sort of putting that down to the fact
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  that he fucked up so badly that he's lost a lot of self confidence and
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  just doesn't take himself as seriously anymore because he thought he was a badass and
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  then like turned out to be a fuck up and he has really some people
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  they think they're a badass and they're a fuck up, and even so they
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  don't recognize that they're a fuck up, and they continue to have the same
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  level of confidence even though they should not. But mister three, I'm going
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  to say that his confidence took a real hit and so he is like just
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  finally starting to establish like maybe I can do some things right after all.
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  So I'm going to see this as a redemption of his self confidence, which
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  I don't really want because he's a bad man. Yeah, but you know
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  fair Yeah, So Okay, I don't know where to start then, because
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  I mean the last episode you already talked about it. Yeah, so we
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  don't do that. We'll start with four point fifty the team. So this
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  we pretty much like the way the last episode had we. This was something
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  that I was particularly caught up by was the fact that these guys are launched
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  onto one of the Navy ships and it's crocodile mister one. But what is
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  mister one's name? Das Bones? Oh my god, that's right, because
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  I always find that amazing. Das Bones. What a fucking name. That's
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  really good. I like it. He doesn't deserve it he's not interesting enough.
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  Well yeah, what is mister three's real name? Oh, I feel
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  like it's like Galdino or Gandino. It's something with a G. Yeah.
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  Yeah, but honestly he he for me like mister one and mister Free will
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  always be mister one and mister Free to me personally. Like bon Clay,
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  it is bon Chan or bond Clay for me mostly sometimes mister two. Yeah,
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  I am locked into mister two, but I don't want to be because
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  I like him too much to keep associating him with the baroque works. So
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  I want to break out of it. But mister three and mister One can
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  stay Mister three and mister one because I don't care about either of them enough.
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  It's fine. And I mean, as long as he doesn't change his
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  hair, there will always be a Free. So that was another thing,
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  Yeah, that he's like labeled basically. I mean, he could change his
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  hair. It's not like a tattoo or something, but I I like to
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  think that he can't. He was there maybe, so yeah, the last
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  episode had like ended with Jimbey launching them out, and then when I saw
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  that like only Crocodile and mister one were standing. I was sort of like,
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  what's going on because it turns out, like the launching, the action
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  of it, Buggy gets injured in that action, so he's like crumpled up
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  somewhere else on the deck. For a lot of this, well you see
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  injurke like I mean, is he injured or injured? And you cannot see
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  my quotation marks oh yeah for people listening. Uh, we finally got the
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  sound working, but Florian cannot get his camera to work, so I cannot
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  see his facial expressions. But it's like I saw a quick flash of what
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  I thought was Buggy, like crumpled and unconscious, and I thought that was
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  him on the deck of the ship, but maybe I misunderstood. No,
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  oh, I mean it was supposed to be I mean it is. I
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  think it is supposed to be dead, but still ah asy on purpose like
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  being like oh no, I'm knocked out. I'm sorry, got you and
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  I am down for that interpretation also, And we sort of just get a
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  refresh of them being launched and how that's all going, and then we go
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  back into the prison and we meet up with Eva and he is waking up.
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  I'm so relieved, like I knew that the show doesn't kill anybody,
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  so I know Eva's not, but I thought that maybe they had just been
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  taken out of the equation for the moment, and I really did not want
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  that. I enjoy him way too much and I was glad that we He's
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  still not okay by the end of this a couple of episodes, but he
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  is able to get on his feet and join us again, and that was
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  the main thing for me. Yeah, No, like Eva is again.
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  Eva for me is like a great character. Agree again again. We could
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  say, like if you see something problematic there, I understand, you know,
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  like if like with his whole power and how it works, but at
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  the end of the day, like the character itself is just like a good
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  guy and just great. Yeah, it's I really wasn't taking the whole storyline
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  as being in good faith at all at first, because like bon Clay felt
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  like the punchline in the Alabasta arc to me, you know, like he
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  felt like a joke. And even though I and bon Clay are played for
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  humor in this arc, it doesn't feel like the jokes are at their expense.
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  It feels like they're part of the joke instead. It's got a different
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  energy to it to me, absolutely, you know, I mean, and
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  I just loved that you are like just so here for here for it for
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  you. We're like yes, like these people in like s gender mixed and
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  have like fish nets on and are like fucking up these guards and everything.
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  And I was like, yeah, actually I love this too, like you
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  put it in words for me. I was like, oh, yes,
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  that's that's it. That's like, well good delighted. And I always had
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  to think, like, you know, like this meme where it's like and
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  this is the future liberals want, you know, or like that's what they
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  want your kids to turn into. It like that, and they're like,
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  well would it be the worst? Yeah, this is the they always are,
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  just like it comes down to, don't threaten me with a good time.
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  Yeah. No, you guys are acting like this is the end of
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  the world. It sounds fun. I don't know what to tell you.
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  Maybe that's supposed to be the terrible thing, but not for me. And
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  I feel like we is it then that we get my challeance upgrade or is
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  it for like it's it's it's like a little bit further on in this episode
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  because at first, he's just doing the hydra thing again, and Lufy's you
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  know, we are still going with his like wax armor. They keep calling
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  it armor even though it's not covering his body, So I keep forgetting the
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  word because it doesn't feel like armor to me. But I get that it's
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  just meant to be protecting his hands and stuff. But yeah, Eventually,
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  Jelan basically takes a bunch of hits off of Loofy and is like unhurt ultimately,
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  but fucking irritated. So he gets like knocked most of the way across
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  the room and at that point just basically cracks his knuckles and it's like,
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  okay, you know what, enough with this horseshit, and he begins to
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  he goes into venom dragon? Is that what it's called? Demon? Demon?
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  Ven de yes? And this is I don't know, do you know
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  the difference between venom and poison? Because before all he attacks were poison,
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  but now it's venom. I guess I never, like I assumed that poison
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  had to be ingested and that venom is something produced by a body, like
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  venom is an excretion, but poison can be a chemical creation. I guess
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  it's how I always thought of it. But what is what is supposed to
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  be the difference here? I mean, I mean how it's just a definition.
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  But the definition is basically that venom is always supposed to it's used in
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  an attack. So a beasting is a venom. Uh what's it called?
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  A snake bite can be venoms. But a plant that you eat that's just
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  poisonous, you know, like it's not it is not necessarily you know,
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  attacking you. It's not meant for that. It's just like that maybe we
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  human cannot digest it, I see waiting to us. But the venom is
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  actually made for attacking and yeah, paralyzed, right, whatever, So I
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  always find it neat that, Like his final attack basically is kind of no,
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  I will use the thing that is kind of actually meant to like it's
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  made for destruction. Before well before it was kind of like the side effect,
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  like he didn't use it like that. But I don't know, I
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  just liked the distinction. I didn't think about it, and I'm kind of
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  glad that you brought that up because I was sort of, you know,
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  thinking to myself, like is this like it's clearly more badass and his other
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  attacks because of the sheer size of the creature that he makes out of it.
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  But I was sort of like, I don't really get what's supposed to
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  be more threatening about this, so I like that as an explanation. And
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  I will say too that when he makes the demon, first of all,
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  it takes so long for the animey finish that that it was like animation.
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  But once he's done, Lufy is staring up at him in like real horror.
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  And I liked that because Lufy has been unwilling or unable to really see
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  Migellan as like a genuine threat that he can't overcome. Even though he got
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  his ass handed to him, he was still like, I could probably beat
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  him, and I really like that. Finally, there came a point where
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  it was like this is even too much for me, you know. It
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  was I needed Loofy to be scared, because this whole time he has been
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  angry, he's been overwhelmed, he has been frustrated. He has thought even
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  if it feels like he can't win because there isn't another choice and he has
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  to keep pressing forward. But he has never really felt scared throughout this arc
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  to me, you know, he's just his his focus and determination have overrode
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  his fear pretty much every time. Yeah, that was what I was gonna
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  say. Probably they are overwriting basically, Yeah, he doesn't like taking himself
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  the time to think about it because he's just like, I have shit to
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  do. So this moment of like just being oh my god, he's huge,
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  and then he literally turns and runs with all the other guys, which
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  he hasn't done every other time these dudes have run and he has stayed put,
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  and so I just I don't know, I just kind of liked that
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  moment of like him being Okay, you know what now, I think I'm
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  gonna go. I was like, finally we needed something that felt like a
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  real threat to him, you know, absolutely. And I feel like this
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  is like the I cannot make any promises. But not the first time,
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  but the second time that Lufy wanted to run instead of fighting, I feel
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  like the first Yeah, I feel like the first time was on Subodi,
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  like because Lufy was there like we have to get away from you guys.
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  Okay, I thought he meant like in the in this arc, but you
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  just mean in the show. Yeah, in the show, Like this is
• 29:30
  like the second time where I feel like he is like we have to leave,
• 29:33
  you know, like normally, normally he's like no, I will like
• 29:37
  beat this best root into the ground. But well he comes up against folks
• 29:45
  that are like super badass and sometimes it's not worth the fight, you know.
• 29:49
  Yeah. Yeah, So at this point Magellan is just like chasing after
• 29:56
  them, and it's sort of interesting. I think that it's opposed to to
• 30:00
  be that he's like floating in the venom and it's carrying him. I really,
• 30:07
  I know I've already said this, but I really hate the fact that
• 30:11
  he can use the poison and venom to travel on that it can like like
• 30:18
  he made the hydras into slides and like just slid along them to reach Lufy.
• 30:25
  At one point, it's so mean spirited that he's like able to become
• 30:30
  these huge things that you can't even touch. And also he can it's not
• 30:37
  like it's saying that he can basically teleport is an exaggeration, but it's not
• 30:41
  that far off. It's very very easy for him to get to one place
• 30:45
  from another. And it's just he's so overpowered with this. Oh my god,
• 30:49
  I and really like he is so overpowered that the only way of dealing
• 30:56
  with him is to literally run away, Like there's no point in this a
• 31:03
  couple of episodes where they figure out how to defeat Migellan. It's just that
• 31:07
  we got away before he could grab us, you know, so I kind
• 31:14
  of like that as well. That absolutely there was no like solution. It
• 31:18
  was just to get the fuck out as soon as we can. Yeah,
• 31:22
  because even I gave mister Free his props before, and this is not something
• 31:27
  it's not his fault, but basically, when Michellan upgrades even mister Free's technique,
• 31:36
  can I mean, they have like a temporary protection, but yeah,
• 31:41
  yeah, it is, like really, I feel like Michellan is one of
• 31:45
  the stronger villains that we have had, Like definitely just not even being able
• 31:56
  to touch him, Like yeah, I mean that that's the funny thing.
• 32:00
  You could basically not touch Smoker, but Smoker would not hurt you. With
• 32:06
  Magellan is like you cannot touch him, but you at the same time get
• 32:10
  hurt, you know, Like it's even worse than just not being able to
• 32:15
  touch I always forget about Smoker. I'm really excited to see who they cast
• 32:22
  for him in No I mention, Yeah, yeah, we're I think they
• 32:27
  have actually announced the casting for him, but then he didn't show up in
• 32:31
  the life see in the actual series, so I don't know really, maybe
• 32:37
  they cut him out like at the end. I also heard that actually the
• 32:44
  character of Dragon was also cast. Oh yeah, but they also there was
• 32:52
  like no scene with him in the first season, so I don't know if
• 32:57
  they have I don't know. Probably they they cut it out because yeah,
• 33:05
  do you have Yeah, yeah, because they show a smoker at the end,
• 33:10
  but his back is to the camera, so I assumed that it was
• 33:14
  like, we're letting you know this character is coming, but we haven't chosen
• 33:17
  an actor yet, so we're just doing that hint like Marvel did with Thanos,
• 33:23
  although they do show his face and he just had a complete redesign by
• 33:28
  the time they dropped the movie. But anyway, okay, so there run,
• 33:37
  Yeah, they're right. I'm look, there's this like moment here and
• 33:42
  I didn't notice this. There's somebody in the in the crew of prisoners breaking
• 33:45
  out that's super tall, and he's holding the door open so that they can
• 33:51
  all get outside. I don't remember this guy, but uh, it's just
• 33:55
  all of these ordinarily like tall dudes like regular he and this dude who's like
• 34:01
  the average man is coming up to maybe his thigh. And then there's mister
• 34:07
  two pure a wedding, and he is almost as tall as this giant man
• 34:13
  just because he's pure a wedding and I just love that so much. But
• 34:17
  yeah, they're running outside and at this point they still don't know there isn't
• 34:24
  a ship out there. They're running out with the full expectation that they're going
• 34:30
  to be able to like fight and get their way onto a ship and they'll
• 34:32
  be able to get out of here. And meanwhile we have mister two who
• 34:39
  is encouraging them to get outside and is not following them and is watching down
• 34:47
  the hall because, like lufy, he's worried that maybe Magellan has gotten him
• 34:53
  after all. Meanwhile, Jimbai is in the water and he is I love
• 35:00
  this so much. He is like helping out Crocodile and mister zero mister one,
• 35:07
  because Crocodile is mister zero basically right. Yes, he kind of misjudges
• 35:15
  his aim at one point and like takes a chunk out of the ship,
• 35:19
  which he did find very funny because he's just like, sorry, I'm very
• 35:22
  strong in the water, my bad. I can I just say, I
• 35:31
  mean we can't talk about it later as well. But Jim Bay is just
• 35:36
  great, Like I just like him a lot. Again, one of the
• 35:42
  characters that I slept on first. I'm gonna be honest, Like it was
• 35:46
  not like that I disliked him, but in a rewrotch, I was just
• 35:51
  like, oh my god, he's like doing a lot and he's like like
• 35:55
  he's not here to play, like you know, yeah, And I don't
• 36:00
  know why. First time watching it, this didn't sunk sunk in for me,
• 36:06
  but you know, I by now, I'm just a total stand I
• 36:10
  can understand that though, because like he doesn't have a whole lot of personality.
• 36:16
  And I don't mean that in terms of like that he's a boring character
• 36:22
  exactly. It's just that he is very understated and he does what he does
• 36:27
  and he doesn't talk a big game about it, and he doesn't quip,
• 36:30
  and he's not out here joking around. He is zeroed in on what he
• 36:36
  needs to do and he does it. And when you're surrounded by all of
• 36:40
  these other larger than life personalities on these other characters, it's easy to sort
• 36:47
  of lose sight of him as being clutch. Yeah, you know I can
• 36:54
  understand that. I mean, like even for me when he first shows up
• 36:59
  and he's just chatting with Is in the cell, I definitely had a moment
• 37:02
  of just like, oh, who is this guy? No, it's fair,
• 37:12
  and I just with jim Bay he is. I mean, I think
• 37:19
  you figured this out. But they mentioned it to the live action and there
• 37:22
  was like an early thing in like very early on in the anime, like
• 37:30
  with Nammi stories, but Jimmy was mentioned there already, like apparently he had
• 37:37
  apparently he has some kind of connection to our law. And yeah, that
• 37:43
  makes sense. That's all I'm gonna say about that, because it's very racist.
• 37:46
  I'm going, oh, know each other, Yeah, there must know
• 37:51
  each other. But I mean, I'm just saying this because it has been
• 37:53
  said before, but there's a long time between this and Yeah, I'm just
• 38:01
  excited about to hear what you think of about his character in the future as
• 38:07
  well. Yeah, and here he not only does he like do his fishman
• 38:13
  karate, which is hell powerful, but later on he winds up summoning a
• 38:17
  bunch of bull sharks, adorable smiley bull sharks. It was so cute,
• 38:24
  you guys. So yeah, he's extremely valuable, absolutely, and you guys,
• 38:32
  I forgot that. I'm so sorry. But mister one is on the
• 38:38
  deck and he turned his arm turns into a knife, and one of the
• 38:45
  guys just says, did his arm just turn into a knife? What's up
• 38:50
  with this guy? The question we are all asking, absolutely and not to
• 39:00
  bring us too far off track, But I'm always like, okay, you
• 39:05
  know, like they have like probably all bounties on their head, you know,
• 39:10
  but I don't know, like, if you're in a world like this
• 39:14
  where powers like these exist, do you remember or know the power of everybody?
• 39:21
  I mean, it's kind of like a secret if they're not caught.
• 39:22
  But I feel like as soon as they get caught then probably you know.
• 39:29
  But then again, they're probably like the prison was full of people, So
• 39:32
  how can you remember every power that every person has there? You know?
• 39:37
  Like, yeah, I think, well, one guy eventually is like,
• 39:40
  oh I remember this guy. He was his dost Bones from the West Blue.
• 39:45
  So there is a guy in the crowd who knows who he is.
• 39:50
  But I could imagine it just being like, I mean, how many singers
• 39:54
  are there out there that I don't know them and they're super famous. No,
• 40:00
  like there'd be other folks out there who if they heard the name,
• 40:02
  would be like, oh that guy did such and such. I do not
• 40:06
  know, so maybe it's just a matter of interest, Like these cards are
• 40:10
  like I just want to go home and check out for the day. I
• 40:15
  don't need to be, you know, going through my my Big Bads of
• 40:22
  the Grand Line booklet memorizing everything. I'm willing to accept that. Yeah,
• 40:29
  probably, And yeah, the one thing I feel like this is where coming
• 40:40
  back to the prison, like Lufy shows up the Magella on the tail and
• 40:47
  they kind of make like a last stand. Yeah, but before that,
• 40:53
  Eva shows up mm hmm, just bursting through the not well, through the
• 41:00
  ceiling and through the floor, depending on which standpoint you want to take,
• 41:07
  but first the floor and Eva it's just like out of it, like he's
• 41:14
  like, hey, guys, so good to see you. Time for a
• 41:20
  nap, and everybody's like, no, it's not a mud wake up.
• 41:24
  He is not waking up ladies and gentlemen. He is out. And I
• 41:30
  think at this point is when Jimbay gets in touch with Loofy and is telling
• 41:35
  him when you get outside, you have got to go straight into the water,
• 41:40
  and Loofy is like, are you high that we are in the calm
• 41:47
  Belt which is full of sea kings? Absolutely fucking not. It's really funny
• 41:52
  because, like they're always for the way the show works, there's all got
• 42:00
  to be some like regular random dude who is in the background yelling about something
• 42:07
  and he has to be upset that something isn't going according to plan or it
• 42:13
  doesn't seem like it's gonna work. So no matter what's happening, you hear
• 42:19
  somebody be like, that's crazy, we're all gonna die. And then they
• 42:23
  change the plan and they do something, and then as soon as they've completed
• 42:28
  that, there's another obstacle. We can't do this. Oh my god,
• 42:31
  we're all gonna die, and it's just over and over and it's not a
• 42:36
  flaw. Like I am not mad at that, but it is really funny
• 42:39
  that I imagine there being just one dude who's always whining and everybody is like,
• 42:45
  fucking shut up, Steve. We have got every five minutes you're like,
• 42:50
  we're gonna die, and then we're here. We're not is fine.
• 42:52
  You have got to stop panicking every second, so anytime you hear that,
• 42:58
  guys, just know that that's Steve and everybody hates them. That's my now.
• 43:05
  Yeah, now that's absolutely fair, and I love it. I know.
• 43:10
  It's just like, I mean, I get it from like a storytelling
• 43:14
  perspective, you know, like you're like, Okay, your main cast cannot
• 43:17
  be afraid all the time except loose up. But but shade on the side.
• 43:27
  But no, like like you need people to to say this is crazy,
• 43:31
  and honestly it is. You know, like even though we as audience
• 43:37
  know this is a show, if you're there and somebody is like, this
• 43:39
  is crazy, I get it. But at the same time, yes,
• 43:44
  shut up, Steve, Yes, yeah, like you have to you have
• 43:47
  to demonstrate that what these people are being asked to do seems crazy to them
• 43:54
  and that they aren't going to simply obey without question. And I get needing
• 43:59
  to like get that across. But also everything they are expected to do always
• 44:05
  is crazy. So I am so prepared to just be like, Okay,
• 44:09
  sure, fine do that that whenever they start to dig their heels and I'm
• 44:14
  just like, ugh, okay, can we all just get to the part
• 44:16
  where you agree to do it anyway? Okay, good, there we are,
• 44:22
  and then we get like the anal attack from Loofy and mister Free against
• 44:31
  Mitchell. And I don't know if you notice this, but the animation in
• 44:37
  this part goes kind of wild, like it is like it is just like
• 44:42
  forty seconds or like one minute, but it is actually more intensely animated than
• 44:50
  we didn't really notice that. Can you are you looking at the the show
• 44:54
  right now like on your like do you have it up? Wait? I
• 45:00
  have it open? So okay, because I just wanted to ask you for
• 45:04
  a right yes, wait fifty or I'm still in five fifty? Okay,
• 45:15
  yeah it is yes, no, no, I have not clicked it at
• 45:21
  all, so okay, I have it opened, but I have not like
• 45:23
  clicked anything. So probably it was just the episode from before, but I
• 45:30
  have not opened it and the spot right now, Okay, that's fine.
• 45:34
  I was just going to ask so that I could go over there because I
• 45:36
  couldn't. I don't remember that being Let me see, he says, one
• 45:38
  candlewall coming right up, and then we have the wax billowing out. That
• 45:45
  wax does look crazy. Actually, I didn't really notice that They're doing a
• 45:50
  lot of movement when the animators definitely do their best to try and like avoid
• 45:58
  a lot of like the screen will just sort of have a still figure moving
• 46:01
  across a still background if they can get away with it a lot. So,
• 46:07
  yeah, this is much much more intensely. I see what you're saying.
• 46:12
  Yeah, just like Giant. Yeah, for me, it's like nineteen
• 46:15
  thirty. It starts around there and then like probably a minute like to twenty
• 46:21
  thirty something around there. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry for me. Yeah,
• 46:30
  but yeah, I just I just love it. I just love that
• 46:34
  animation. And again it's just like mister Free gets this and I'm just like,
• 46:39
  okay, like it's cool, You're cool somehow, Like I don't want
• 46:46
  to run. Yeah, no, I really am, because I think I
• 46:50
  don't know, I don't really like him. I don't know. That's fine,
• 46:57
  that's fine. Like yeah, sometimes people just hat like that and it's
• 47:02
  like I guess, yeah, you have a cool moment, you said something
• 47:07
  good. Okay, But anyway, he Matchellanda mean gets pushed back, and
• 47:19
  I was how do I say that? I did not think this would take
• 47:24
  him out, but actually it does not. It buys them time, which
• 47:29
  which is good and necessary, you know, but still he is still up
• 47:34
  and running, you know, like he's coming after them, and everybody jumps
• 47:39
  on Eva and they sail away, sail away, fly away, fly away.
• 47:49
  I thought you were doing that any song. Yeah I did, okay,
• 47:54
  oh my, And like even the again, I forget sometimes, like
• 48:00
  because this is really the only cartoon that I'm consistently watching, and a lot
• 48:04
  of the other animated stuff I watch doesn't stick to the regular conventions of cartoons
• 48:12
  the way that this show does sometimes. So like Eva's head blast through the
• 48:19
  wall and door, and so he's got these huge lumps on his head that
• 48:24
  are meant to represent the injury of bashing his head, and you, guys,
• 48:30
  I cannot tell you how often this show does that, which is a
• 48:34
  I mean I remember it being done in like Looney Tunes, you know,
• 48:37
  I know it's a thing, but I forget it's a thing, and I
• 48:42
  am always like, what the fuck is that? Every time I see it,
• 48:45
  I'm horrified because it's not only the lump, It's always got little speckles
• 48:50
  on it to indicate that there's like hairs. I hate it. I hate
• 48:54
  it so much ough and we see it so for so long because his head
• 49:00
  is flying through the air for a minute and everybody is just up in his
• 49:05
  hair. So there's a long period there where I just kept being like,
• 49:07
  what is that? And then I finally realized what it was that they were
• 49:12
  doing. And I really love this moment because Eva's like uses his big wink
• 49:22
  to shoot himself out and he is able to shoot out at like the velocity
• 49:29
  of a jet taking off, which you would think would be plenty. But
• 49:34
  Magellan's got that huge demon like shape going on. So he reaches out with
• 49:40
  one venom hand and it's close, like he really very nearly grips him up,
• 49:49
  and I was it was It was just a lot closer than I was
• 49:53
  expecting. I didn't think that Magellan had the reach that he clearly does.
• 50:00
  And I love the fact that like once they're out, Magellan is just standing
• 50:05
  there like horrified. Yeah. No, I love this holy sequence, Like
• 50:14
  basically from the moment they turned the corner and like running away from him and
• 50:19
  what we have to get in the water. Okay, giant wax wall attack
• 50:22
  go on, Eva fly out, the head comes after them. Yeah,
• 50:29
  great, Like from beginning to end, great a lot, And yeah,
• 50:37
  they land on this giant what did you call them? Do you the bullsharks?
• 50:43
  Bull sharks? Okay, I don't, I don't, that's what they
• 50:45
  say, Okay, And yeah, they just basically get chucked over to the
• 50:52
  ship. They're like, it's like a what's it called a bucket chain.
• 51:00
  It feels like like where you put the fire out, you give one backage
• 51:04
  to the next person. I see what you mean. Yeah, yeah,
• 51:07
  yeah, exactly until they land on the ship like crash almost into the ship,
• 51:15
  really crash, like yeah, it's a quite a flight. Mm hmm.
• 51:22
  All right, well now we're moving into AH four fifty one, so
• 51:30
  come final miracle and this is Bonclay's sacrifice. Then we get coming up here?
• 51:37
  Can we? Okay, I honestly want to talk about this, but
• 51:43
  my first question is just like did you when did you know this? Or
• 51:49
  did you know that the episode before you were like he's not really around,
• 51:52
  or like when I'm gonna be honest with you here. So this show can
• 52:00
  have sort of strange transitions. And not only did I not notice that Bonclay
• 52:09
  was around, but I also when it's very clear, like if you're really
• 52:17
  paying attention, that there are two Magellans, I was still not getting it.
• 52:23
  It wasn't until they were in the same room, because there's a point
• 52:29
  where Magellan's looking out there and then sees the gates opening, and it's like,
• 52:34
  what the fuck is going on? And then it cuts to Magellan in
• 52:37
  the control room, and I thought we just had like an abrupt transition and
• 52:44
  that he had gone back to the control room. And even though he was
• 52:49
  saying like, open the gate, I was sort of confused, like,
• 52:52
  wait, did I Maybe I misunderstood. I thought he didn't want this,
• 52:55
  but now he's ordering them to do it, and I was completely not picking
• 53:00
  it up. And then he comes in and I was like, oh my
• 53:06
  god, Okay, so yeah, I was not clocking what was going on
• 53:10
  at all. Your girl's sprain was turned off. Hey know, this is
• 53:15
  honestly my experience as well, was it? Yes? Okay, yes,
• 53:21
  no, Like honestly, the moment, the moment I see them both in
• 53:25
  the same frame or like in the same that was the moment where I was
• 53:29
  like, oh there are two wait wait that means oh oh no, no,
• 53:37
  Like I was like, like my brain was like after that, my
• 53:42
  brain was like then it make like all these connections, But before that,
• 53:45
  it was nothing for me, it was this supplies worked. I kind of
• 53:52
  wish that there was a map again, because they don't do it at the
• 53:59
  top of the episode, but I do kind of wish that there were something
• 54:05
  that sort of reinforced the idea that bon Clay absolutely couldn't get out in time
• 54:12
  to catch up with them, because for a minute, I just thought he's
• 54:15
  like buying them some time, but he's going to be able to like sprint
• 54:20
  out there. And it wasn't until things really started to like, you know,
• 54:24
  be spoken when they are talking to each other, that I realized,
• 54:28
  oh my god, wait, he is straight up staying here. And I
• 54:37
  fully believe Bonclay will survive, but if we're being real, Magella wouldn't have
• 54:45
  killed his ass immediately. That would be a wrap on Bonclay. And even
• 54:52
  though because of the way the story has to work, I have full confidence
• 54:55
  that he actually is okay, I still felt like sick. I felt so
• 55:07
  upset that he was just there's a point where the camera sort of pulls out
• 55:13
  and he's just kneeling on the floor in profile in front of Magellan, like
• 55:16
  as himself again, and I just got very pissy about it. I was
• 55:25
  just like this even though he may survive, I'm sure he's going to be
• 55:30
  put through it, absolutely, you know, And I just see that for
• 55:36
  him, Like this is not a fun place. And I mean we we
• 55:43
  have seen the horrors of this place, even though we have kind of as
• 55:47
  always me to see through Lufy's lens and he's he's just like a really omitic
• 55:54
  character. But still this is a horrible place and through and even if it
• 56:01
  does not get killed, he for sure will stay here and that's also no
• 56:07
  good. Like, yeah, I don't want him anywhere near this. I
• 56:14
  hate it. It just deserves better. Absolutely, No, Like as I
• 56:20
  said again, like he is the MVP of this hour, Like I I
• 56:28
  don't. It's super weird. I don't use that term at all, Like
• 56:34
  I'm just because first of all, this is an English thing, so that's
• 56:40
  one thing. And the other thing it is like a sports thing, so
• 56:44
  that's the second thing. I don't same. However, I don't know how
• 56:51
  otherwise to describe it, you know, It's just like, yeah, no,
• 56:52
  this was I mean, later on we see like a flashback, and
• 56:58
  from one piece standards, it's not pretty quick, but we see like a
• 57:01
  lot of moments with bon Clay and how he was crucial to Lufy's success in
• 57:07
  all of this, and it truly was like, Wow, he did,
• 57:12
  he did, he pulled a lot of the weight. Yeah, And I
• 57:17
  really appreciate that Lufey knows that because there, you know, there are times
• 57:23
  where it can feel like it's sometimes a main character doesn't seem to give a
• 57:30
  person credit entirely. And I really felt Lufy when he says, like,
• 57:37
  how many times do you have to save me? I was just like,
• 57:42
  oh my god, it just he I won't go so far as to say
• 57:47
  that Lufy is like humiliated by having to accept the help, because he's not
• 57:52
  like that. He doesn't have that particular kind of ego. Really, it's
• 57:57
  it's more a sense of like you should be having to do this over and
• 58:02
  over again, like it's an injustice that you keep being put in this position,
• 58:07
  which it is absolutely Mike, but Bond Clay is just like that,
• 58:15
  like he accepts it and he does it, and honestly, what away character
• 58:24
  in fiction in general, Like I honestly my love for this character is so
• 58:29
  beyond like he is in the series one of my favorites, including all the
• 58:37
  straw Heads. You know, even if I if I have to make like
• 58:38
  a top ten bond, Lay is somewhere in day for me, he just
• 58:45
  yeah, including all the straw Heads, like some some straw heads will get
• 58:49
  ranked lower than him for me, And if you want to add me,
• 58:52
  then do I look? I fully agree, I really do. And it's
• 58:58
  not like some of the straw Hats. It's not even like I don't think
• 59:01
  you're important or anything. It's just like, I'm just so invested in Bonclay
• 59:07
  and what's going on with him. Every time he's on screen, I'm always
• 59:10
  just like, you know, which is part of what's so surprising that I
• 59:15
  didn't notice that he wasn't with him because I have been paying very close attention
• 59:19
  to him specifically, So the fact that I kind of like overlooked the fact
• 59:23
  that he was gone, I was surprised at myself. I was like,
• 59:28
  wow, you really fucked up girl. Yes, oh yeah no. And
• 59:34
  again, this does not mean that we dislike any at least for me,
• 59:37
  that I dislike any of the straw Heads. But honestly, this show has
• 59:40
  just so many great characters. So I really wonder how much Oda knew that
• 59:50
  Bonclay was going to be so I don't know if I want to say he's
• 59:55
  beloved, because I don't know. I'm not in the fandom, is he
• 1:00:01
  yes? Okay, it's like I don't to be honest, he's the kind
• 1:00:07
  of character where I don't know anybody talking bad about him. Okay, it
• 1:00:15
  just looked great because yeah, I'm really curious about whether that's part of the
• 1:00:21
  reason for the change in tone, with the way that he became less the
• 1:00:24
  butt of the joke and just became part of the joke. Is that like
• 1:00:29
  Oda realized, Oh, everybody actually likes this guy, and so maybe I
• 1:00:34
  don't want to make him like somebody who keeps getting screwed over or made fun
• 1:00:40
  of because people are kind of defensive of him, and he didn't see that
• 1:00:45
  coming, you know, I don't know. Well, I feel like this
• 1:00:50
  has been mentioned before in the chat, but it's has been so long ago.
• 1:00:54
  In Japanese, the voice actor for Bonkley is the same voice actor as
• 1:01:00
  for Frankie, and the reason why that is is that Oda was like,
• 1:01:07
  this voice actor is amazing, like bone Clay's voice actor is amazing. I
• 1:01:14
  need to create another character that will be part of the straw Heads, so
• 1:01:17
  he can be part of the crew basically, so okay, So Frankie was
• 1:01:24
  sort of inspired, not inspired, but it was like a circumstantial wave,
• 1:01:30
  like, you know, I oda needed a character that can be voiced by
• 1:01:34
  this amazing voice actor, so that, right, Frankie came around. Like
• 1:01:39
  imagine doing such a good job that an author is like I am literally writing
• 1:01:45
  a character specifically for you. That is so much pressure. Oh my god,
• 1:01:53
  I'm just over here like, oh god, I could never like amazing
• 1:01:58
  and obviously killing it, like Frankie's a fantastic character, but yeah, that's
• 1:02:05
  a lot of that's a lot of pressure, absolutely, But I don't know,
• 1:02:13
  like it's always I don't know if odor of things about these things.
• 1:02:20
  You know, when I'm writing, I try not to think about these things
• 1:02:24
  too much. You know. I'm just kind of like if a character needs
• 1:02:28
  to come back, then I'm just like, oh no, it's more like,
• 1:02:31
  okay, who I need some character here that fulfills this role. Do
• 1:02:37
  I have introduced somebody? And then if somebody is there who kind of fits
• 1:02:42
  the description, I will reuse them, and if not, then somebody you
• 1:02:46
  will be invented. Right, But I don't know if that's how Ota goes
• 1:02:51
  about it. I'm really curious, Like I just want to pick his brain
• 1:02:54
  now, absolutely there. I want to pick his brain for lots of reason.
• 1:03:00
  Yeah. Coming back to the early beginnings of you covering the show,
• 1:03:07
  like in every second episode you accused him of using drugs. I stand by
• 1:03:15
  that, yes, same, same, it's giving Lewis Carroll high whatever it
• 1:03:25
  is they used to make hats. Mm hmmm. What was it that Lewis
• 1:03:30
  Carroll smoked opium and he created the Mad Hatter because Hatter's used lead or mercury
• 1:03:37
  to make hats. Do you remember this? I don't. I mean I
• 1:03:42
  know that, like I know the gist of it, but I don't know
• 1:03:45
  it in Petle I'm gonna full it that up because that's gonna bother me,
• 1:03:50
  but I won't do it now, I promise. Yeah. So not a
• 1:03:57
  small question. Did you have some for Bonkley or no tears? I my
• 1:04:04
  eyes watered, I didn't cry, but I definitely like was in my feelings.
• 1:04:09
  I would have cried if it weren't for knowing that characters don't really die
• 1:04:15
  in the show. But because I knew that, it sort of kept me
• 1:04:19
  from completely imploding. But it was really really effective. The whole the whole
• 1:04:27
  scene, and the fact that even up until like the very last moments,
• 1:04:33
  he's just telling Loofy to save Ace and don't look back, and basically what
• 1:04:39
  he's saying is don't worry about me, like put me out of your mind.
• 1:04:44
  You need to get on with what you're doing. And I really loved
• 1:04:50
  that, just because it's like a he could have been written as being like
• 1:05:00
  what a noble sacrifice in this moment and him like long suffering and saying remember
• 1:05:05
  me, you know, like in this way that I wouldn't have blamed him
• 1:05:09
  for at all, because as far as he knows, he is gonna die.
• 1:05:13
  But the fact that he is, right up until the end, all
• 1:05:17
  he's thinking about is Loufy's goal. The like total selflessness of that really really
• 1:05:27
  got to me. He's just such a fucking cheerleader for Loovi, Like he
• 1:05:32
  genuinely just wants Loofy to succeed because he cares about him that much. And
• 1:05:43
  I mean it's not that Loufy isn't great, but to a degree, I
• 1:05:48
  feel like he didn't really earn that. It's just that Bonclay has had nobody
• 1:05:55
  be nice to him. Wow, really like it. It feels like Bonclay
• 1:06:00
  has been is somebody that has like wanted a friend, and finally a person
• 1:06:06
  was just like I really like this outfit or I really you know, like
• 1:06:11
  and it was he was primed and ready and just everybody around him sucked.
• 1:06:18
  Do you know what I think? Yeah? No, I I get what
• 1:06:23
  you mean. First of all, Okay, glad that you did cry,
• 1:06:26
  because if you cried, I won't be like, damn it, I should
• 1:06:29
  have made it a for your episode. So oh because because because that that
• 1:06:35
  was a thought of mine, like should I make a voyear episode out of
• 1:06:39
  this? But I didn't. But and the other thing, I get what
• 1:06:45
  you mean, but also how did I say that? I do feel like
• 1:06:50
  Louviy kind of earned it in the sense that it's not necessarily that anything ever
• 1:06:59
  did for bon Cley, but just like the attitude that Lufy has, you
• 1:07:05
  know that that kind of even back in Alabasta, it was like the thing
• 1:07:11
  that brought bon Clay around was like that they were like, no, we
• 1:07:15
  have to say goodbye to a friend, you know, and yeah, and
• 1:07:20
  he was like so touched by that. It was not nothing that had to
• 1:07:24
  do with him, but he was like just like these people value the things
• 1:07:30
  that I value just as much as I do, and therefore it is worthy
• 1:07:38
  to basically jump into the fire for them in the kind of way. Yeah,
• 1:07:44
  I like that, that's at least the interpretation I have. I am.
• 1:07:50
  I feel like that's kind of the like Lufy's whole deal is just that
• 1:07:56
  he goes around with such general good will unless he's proven too, like that
• 1:08:02
  the person doesn't deserve it. That anybody who is receptive to that is just
• 1:08:11
  like an ally waiting to happen, because he's just very equal opportunity. Like
• 1:08:15
  you know, hey, we're all people. We're all in this together,
• 1:08:19
  you know what I mean. And I just really do enjoy Like, you
• 1:08:29
  know, I felt like such a way about Bonclay's whole deal, and I
• 1:08:34
  didn't expect I kept saying in the first run through how much I liked him
• 1:08:41
  and how I wish that he wasn't a villain because he was so much fun.
• 1:08:45
  And I am so glad that that's where we wound up that, Like
• 1:08:50
  I mean, I just really didn't see it coming that we were going to
• 1:08:54
  actually do this, you know, And I and I am really hoping that
• 1:09:04
  this isn't the last time that we ever see him. I am gonna guess
• 1:09:10
  because there's another another five hundred episodes? How many is there? There's a
• 1:09:15
  lot? Yeah, that's that's about right. I think that the chapter,
• 1:09:23
  the newest chapter that came out was one thousand and one hundred. Wow.
• 1:09:29
  Yeah, so they're like somewhat about more than a thousand episode at the moment,
• 1:09:35
  I don't know. Yes, it is Jesus Christ Home. It is
• 1:09:44
  smelted. Yeah, I'm just gonna The place that we are right now in
• 1:09:50
  the story is just so revealing and I cannot wait for you to get there,
• 1:10:00
  even though it will be a long time. It's just like like for
• 1:10:03
  me, for me at the moment, every every new chapter is like,
• 1:10:08
  okay, throw out all the old fewies. Yeah, fuck all of my
• 1:10:14
  work for the past few years. No, not like it's like but it's
• 1:10:20
  great. It's great. Really, It's amazing to me just how quickly it
• 1:10:28
  happens too, Like, you know, how long was it since my first
• 1:10:30
  episode? How many years has it been for you? About two years?
• 1:10:36
  Like, okay, February is the anniversary for two years. Wow, And
• 1:10:45
  I'm already at episode four hundred, Like I know that I do multiple episodes
• 1:10:48
  and you guys skip the filler episodes and everything, but still like it comes
• 1:10:55
  honest quite quickly. I'm already at four fifty, so I feel like it's
• 1:11:00
  really it'll be here before you know it. Yeah, I'm just maybe just
• 1:11:04
  also three years. Oh my god, I don't even I was about to
• 1:11:08
  say, it feels like it should be longer than that. Yeah, I
• 1:11:11
  believe. I feel like it is free not true. If I'm gonna I'm
• 1:11:16
  gonna go in there and look at when the first episode got posted to spreaker,
• 1:11:21
  because I think I can do that pretty easily because I'm just now curious.
• 1:11:25
  Yeah, because we cannot look at it in crowd test anymore because it's
• 1:11:30
  there, you consistent and what I'm sorry, I thought when I searched one
• 1:11:44
  piece that it would show me them in chronological order according to how when they
• 1:11:47
  were uploaded, and they're not. It's first eighty through eighty two, but
• 1:11:54
  then it's like fifty to fifty three one hundred. Why would you? Why
• 1:11:57
  would you show it to me like that? That is so frustrating because now
• 1:12:03
  it's making it that I can't just like scroll all the way to the bottom
• 1:12:06
  and see because they're not chronological. But I I'm pretty sure it had to
• 1:12:12
  be twenty twenty one because I mean I really listened, as I said,
• 1:12:17
  to the first episode, and I remembered, like the first one that I
• 1:12:21
  guessed it on. I said, like, yeah, last year has been
• 1:12:25
  such a shit show, so probably I was talking about twenty twenty. I
• 1:12:30
  mean, look, we would all love to think that whatever year we were
• 1:12:34
  talking about in a particular year, but let's be honest, every year for
• 1:12:41
  many years has been a bit of a shit show. Or maybe that's just
• 1:12:45
  me. I don't know. Nah, despair just just for different reasons.
• 1:12:49
  But yeah, that is I'm going to go into Patreon now because now or
• 1:12:57
  wait, no, I can't do it. I can't like shirt They're the
• 1:13:00
  same way either. This is so annoying. I just want to know a
• 1:13:05
  pretty simple thing. Well, but is it simple? Because I think,
• 1:13:12
  well, I mean, you're a creator, but then again, you do
• 1:13:15
  so much. I feel like it's like difficult to pinpoint one like exact moment
• 1:13:20
  in your career, Like that's that's not something that is easy to do,
• 1:13:26
  to be honest, that is something that I have run up against a lot
• 1:13:29
  because I do so many shows and they're all like very different, and a
• 1:13:33
  lot of podcasters, you know, they can say like, oh, I
• 1:13:38
  do this kind of show about this, or this is my theme song or
• 1:13:41
  whatever, and I don't even like I don't have a theme song because I
• 1:13:44
  just use the song from the show that I'm covering, if it's like a
• 1:13:48
  co hosted one, or I just use like the song for spoil mes,
• 1:13:53
  but that's not like my theme and uh oh okay, okay, I found
• 1:13:58
  a way to search it. Hold on, I'm about to tell you one
• 1:14:00
  piece episode one. Oh my god, how is it going to just say
• 1:14:10
  March first? It only says March first, and it doesn't say the year.
• 1:14:15
  Okay, you know what I'm gonna I have to go into it and
• 1:14:19
  wait, this is a whole thing now wait no, no, no,
• 1:14:23
  wait wait March one. Yeah. I was just about to say, I
• 1:14:27
  can just yes, I could have looked it up as well. I have
• 1:14:31
  opened the spreadsheet with all the days just in an out of town. God,
• 1:14:36
  Florian, I'm so I forgot about that though. I didn't even think
• 1:14:46
  of that, though I have the spoil me spreadsheet too on my end,
• 1:14:49
  Like I didn't even think so dense and I have like the whole freaking spreadsheet,
• 1:14:57
  like right in the other tap. I just had to switch over there
• 1:15:00
  and scroll. But I'm sorry, Oh my god, you guys listen between
• 1:15:08
  me, like watch not watching all three episodes I was supposed to and Florian
• 1:15:15
  with his like sound and camera problems and everything. I think we managed a
• 1:15:18
  pretty solid episode despite our many ah what's the word? I want? The
• 1:15:25
  many obstacles in our path? Absolutely, and we still have time left because
• 1:15:30
  I didn't watch that the third episode. Is there anything that you wanted to
• 1:15:35
  discuss that was like maybe not to do with these episodes? Let me think,
• 1:15:41
  well, just tell me what you predictions, Like kind of what do
• 1:15:46
  you expect? I mean, the whole we we did not really talk about
• 1:15:51
  Ace at all, and this is kind of that's true, Like what what
• 1:15:56
  do you think is going to happen there? Yeah, the whole I think
• 1:16:00
  with Ace is sort of So here's the thing. I know, I get
• 1:16:05
  that Ace is Lufy's brother, and I care because of that, but I
• 1:16:09
  just don't really care about Ace, particularly like I don't have any investment in
• 1:16:15
  him because we haven't seen enough of him, and I am only really interested
• 1:16:24
  and invested because of Loofy and not wanting him to get hurt, and so
• 1:16:31
  I'm trying to just focus on that and not keep kind of going. But
• 1:16:36
  I don't care about this guy because I know that probably it will destroy Loofy.
• 1:16:42
  I am still I'm gonna admit this too. I am a little bit
• 1:16:46
  hung up on the fact that Lufy saw that his Weaver card was fucked up
• 1:16:55
  and didn't do anything right away, Like, yeah, that kind of bugs
• 1:17:01
  me at this point. I know that he had, like I'm not even
• 1:17:08
  gonna say he had a good reason. He had an excuse at the time
• 1:17:12
  that I was willing to buy, but I didn't really love it, and
• 1:17:16
  I think I'm on record saying that I found it kind of weird. And
• 1:17:23
  so now like the pursuit of him and trying to like save him, I
• 1:17:29
  don't think that this is actually how I'm supposed to be feeling, but there's
• 1:17:32
  a sense of like I need to fix the fact that I fucked up a
• 1:17:38
  little bit. Yeah, that's that's totally fair, Like I I mean,
• 1:17:45
  with the reason you mean that Lufy basically said he's on his old adventure and
• 1:17:53
  he probably doesn't want to get saved, Like that's I feel like that's the
• 1:17:57
  kind of chist that he said the first time he saw this Weaver card.
• 1:18:02
  There was basically like he can take care of himself and he wouldn't want me
• 1:18:08
  coming to his rescue, oh, you know, just because he might be
• 1:18:13
  in danger. Absolutely no, I totally get that. I again I agree
• 1:18:24
  for me, it's also like kind of more of an excuse than like actual
• 1:18:29
  reason it is. I mean, you could say that Lufy is just like
• 1:18:36
  not that he maybe did not comprehend actually what that meant, because you could
• 1:18:42
  be he's not necessarily the smartest guy, you know, so you know,
• 1:18:48
  you've got your limitations. So maybe the context of him actually seeing and reading
• 1:18:54
  it in the paper like in Amazon Lily, where he like there he like,
• 1:18:59
  actually it was in the paper like as is going to be executed,
• 1:19:02
  So that was like way more concrete, and maybe that's why he changed his
• 1:19:08
  tune. But I totally get what you mean that, Yeah, it is
• 1:19:15
  not I don't know. I actually gonna put this maybe more on the writing,
• 1:19:19
  maybe, I think so. I think that he needed us to be
• 1:19:24
  like, oh, something's going on, but he didn't want to pursue it
• 1:19:28
  quite yet, because he wasn't ready for that part in the story. And
• 1:19:32
  I am I really do think I am putting my like I'm putting baggage on
• 1:19:39
  Lufy that I don't think he really has. It's not actually in the text
• 1:19:45
  at all. It's just that's if we were going to make this a more
• 1:19:50
  like nuanced, layered character, I would be taking it this way. And
• 1:19:57
  it is hard for me sometimes to know, Oh, with this series,
• 1:20:02
  how nuanced and layered are we going to get? Because there I will let
• 1:20:05
  my guard down and be like, oh, everybody is quite one dimensional and
• 1:20:10
  it's fine, and then all of a sudden he'll just bust out with some
• 1:20:13
  like extremely emotional stuff and I'll be like, oh, I guess we are
• 1:20:17
  doing that a little bit. So there are times where I'm like, you're
• 1:20:23
  really reading into things too much, and then I'll find out I was not.
• 1:20:27
  It was actually what I was thinking, you know. So I'm for
• 1:20:32
  the record saying that I don't actually think that this is like Lufy being driven
• 1:20:38
  by guilt, But if it turns out it is Lufy driven by guilt,
• 1:20:43
  I am going to feel like that makes sense, And you know, I
• 1:20:50
  just I tend right now to think that's not actually what we're doing. It's
• 1:20:58
  fair. And what do you say about Ace? I also kind of know
• 1:21:04
  what you mean and agreed, like he's it is more like polophysic like that
• 1:21:12
  we were like invested in this. It's not like that I dislike as or,
• 1:21:17
  but we did not spend a lot of time with him, and therefore
• 1:21:23
  it was like not a we did not have a lot of chances to really
• 1:21:27
  fall in love with him as a character. Yeah, I feel like you
• 1:21:31
  know, he had a cool like moment, but it was back in Alabama.
• 1:21:35
  That's the last time like our people have spent any time with him,
• 1:21:39
  right, mm hmm exactly. It's been a long time. Yeah, And
• 1:21:45
  however, I'm going to tell you that there have been like popularity votes,
• 1:21:50
  you know, Andike who is like the most popular, And that's draw it
• 1:21:57
  that like cast member of my character. That's what I'm looking for. And
• 1:22:03
  Ace like has and I'm speaking like before like we're speaking times when this was
• 1:22:11
  happening or like the last arc, you know, like and Ace has always
• 1:22:16
  since he was introduced, always placed at the top, like not that the
• 1:22:20
  very top, but in the top places. And I honestly again It's not
• 1:22:27
  that that disliking, but I'm just like, he's really that high, Like
• 1:22:30
  why, like some people like really love him and he's super hot and like
• 1:22:36
  literally with his powers and his attitude. Oh my god, I carefully,
• 1:22:43
  I didn't see that coming get off my show, you know. And I'm
• 1:22:49
  going to be honest. I was also like he was like a little cartoon
• 1:22:55
  crush for me, but I feel that, Yeah, besides that, I
• 1:23:00
  was also kind of like, he's really that high in this ranking is like
• 1:23:03
  the rankings every year kind of surprising to me, But I was not fucked
• 1:23:10
  by it. Look, I am going to go on the record right now
• 1:23:16
  being extremely derisive about those fan favorite character things, because here's the thing.
• 1:23:27
  I just really always bring this up. And I know that at this point
• 1:23:30
  in the history of everything that Star Wars has turned into this massive, like
• 1:23:39
  multi media thing. It's different. But there was a time when I had
• 1:23:46
  not yet seen the Star Wars films and Owen made me sit down and watch
• 1:23:50
  them with him, and I did that on the podcast. That's like,
• 1:23:55
  I think, I think those are episodes that are up for purchase, I
• 1:23:59
  think, but I to check. I went because all I had heard for
• 1:24:06
  so long from so many random fans was how cool Boba Fet was. Everybody
• 1:24:15
  loved Boba Fet. And then I go into the the movie and Boba Fet
• 1:24:23
  is nothing. He's literally just standing off to the side and he gets given
• 1:24:29
  like an order. And then you see him in the next film like for
• 1:24:34
  a few minutes, and I think he's got like a line, a single
• 1:24:38
  line, and you never see his face. He doesn't do anything particularly cool,
• 1:24:44
  and then he gets eaten by the Sarlac and I was like, what
• 1:24:47
  the fuck? Everybody you guys talk about this dude. His helmet is one
• 1:24:51
  of like their their merch for his helmet is out of control. You can
• 1:24:58
  get like snack bulls mugs of his helmet. And this was before like they
• 1:25:04
  did the whole reboot and everything, And I ever since have lost all respect
• 1:25:15
  for fandom's judgment when it comes to side characters and why they think certain people
• 1:25:21
  are really great. And I have had that feeling about just like I'm going
• 1:25:27
  to completely discount your opinion. I have had that reaffirmed so many times in
• 1:25:33
  the course of my career, whether it be like somebody on Doctor Who that
• 1:25:38
  everybody sounded excited about me getting to and I did not see what the big
• 1:25:43
  deal was about, or there are there are a lot of shows that have
• 1:25:46
  like giant casts that have people that kind of come in and out, and
• 1:25:53
  there would just be a sort of like tangible excitement about something and I would
• 1:25:58
  be kind of like getting hype of it, and then I'd get there and
• 1:26:00
  go, really, this is it. So I'm just saying that it's not
• 1:26:09
  that I think that fandoms are stupid, although in some ways I do think
• 1:26:13
  that it's more that we get like a taste of a character and then we
• 1:26:18
  just run away with these fucking like fanfics in our head, or they're hot
• 1:26:25
  and we decide a bunch of things, or they're awkward in a certain way
• 1:26:28
  that we think is funny, and like associate with a friend of ours who's
• 1:26:30
  also really weird, and it turns into this like tumblification where people just write
• 1:26:36
  these little paragraphs about this character that didn't happen, but it creates over the
• 1:26:42
  years this affection that is not based in the fucking actual like text or film
• 1:26:49
  or anything. It's about the way things have grown around them because of fans,
• 1:26:57
  and so then they get real attached to this character and you come into
• 1:27:01
  it and they think you're gonna like, they don't remember this person. None
• 1:27:08
  of that's real. You guys like absorbed all of these little scenarios or tiktoks
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  or whatever over the course of time, and this nothing character has developed into
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  somebody and so they forget and then you come into it as a completely unspoiled
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  person and it falls flat and they're like, well, okay, well what
• 1:27:31
  you have to remember is and then they try and explain it to you why
• 1:27:34
  it's like this person's really popular, and always the like explanations of it are
• 1:27:43
  about things that aren't actually canon, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
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  So all this to say, I am not surprised that Abe was voted really
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  high because he's Luvie's brother, so he's like assumed to be like a pretty
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  decent guy because of the fact that he's Leavey's brother. He's got a cool
• 1:28:02
  power that's extremely powerful. He's hot. He is a lone wolf, which
• 1:28:10
  anytime that you have a character who just sort of wanders on their own,
• 1:28:15
  not that he isn't associated with a crew, but like we don't see him
• 1:28:17
  with a crew usually he is usually on his own. That gives them a
• 1:28:23
  lot more of a mysterious quality, so we can like decide all sorts of
• 1:28:27
  things about the way that they work, and that just really inflames our imaginations.
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  And I think all those things together, it's like that was the deal
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  with Boba Fet. You know, he had this cool armor that was very
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  specific looking. He's a bounty hunter, which sounds kind of like glamorous and
• 1:28:44
  dangerous, and he is here for a moment and doing some things that seem
• 1:28:48
  pretty badass, and so people just decided, Okay, well, and probably
• 1:28:55
  I don't know this, but I'm gonna guess that there's like a lot of
• 1:28:57
  Star Wars novels out there that were written about him because he started to be
• 1:29:01
  of interest to people. So one could say that there is stuff in Cannon
• 1:29:06
  at this point, but I don't count the novels just because I just don't.
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  So, yeah, I am not trying to say that that people are
• 1:29:18
  like being stupid. I'm trying to say that fandoms forget how the cannon comes
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  across, and they get very wrapped up in their own narrative. And I
• 1:29:32
  think that I could see easily how that would happen with a somebody that I'm
• 1:29:38
  just kind of like whatever, and a very long time fan would be like,
• 1:29:42
  oh my god, I love him, what do you mean? And
• 1:29:44
  I would just be like, granted, you probably have been farther along in
• 1:29:47
  the series also, so you know more about what happens with him than I
• 1:29:50
  do, so I don't have that kind of investment. But yeah, well
• 1:29:55
  I always I mean, I agree with everything you said. That's like you're
• 1:30:01
  just saying that because it's live. No, I mean, I mean,
• 1:30:06
  I'm just gonna full disclosure. I get what you mean with the Star Wars
• 1:30:11
  thing, but I did not have like this connection to the soul random so
• 1:30:16
  I cannot speak to that, but I get the gist of it. And
• 1:30:24
  yeah, the Ace thing or like when I speak about these things with you,
• 1:30:29
  I always speak with in this point of the story, you know,
• 1:30:32
  like because I have been watching this show for so long, so I tried
• 1:30:40
  to recollect what why, what was I thinking, and what was like the
• 1:30:44
  inside the side geist of the time, you know in the fandom, which
• 1:30:48
  I appreciate because not everybody is able to do that to keep in mind,
• 1:30:53
  like at this point, how was it? And that's like crucial to not
• 1:30:58
  spoiling me very subtle way. Absolutely so wow. I'm sorry. I'm just
• 1:31:05
  thinking about how when we finally watched those movies and I was like, that's
• 1:31:09
  it, that's who Bobafet is. Owen cracked up because he never really bought
• 1:31:15
  into the fandom with Boba Fet and found it very strange. So he knew
• 1:31:19
  that I was going to kind of feel the same way. And he felt
• 1:31:23
  so validated and was just like, thank you. I don't get it either.
• 1:31:29
  And then they made a TV show and even the show isn't like about
• 1:31:31
  him. It's like, oh wow, it's like fifty five percent Boba Fet
• 1:31:38
  and forty five percent a lot of other people, which you know, when
• 1:31:44
  they have to fill a space somehow. Well, okay, before we end
• 1:31:50
  this, just a channel question. Will Loofy be able to save as yes
• 1:31:57
  or no? Yes? Nobody dies on this show? Mm hmm. You
• 1:32:04
  know, like, I'll tell you what if he doesn't, I will never
• 1:32:11
  stop laughing if this show doesn't kill anybody ever. And then they just kill
• 1:32:17
  Lufy's brother. That is going to be hilarious. Like I know that I'm
• 1:32:24
  being really mean, but that would be such a baller move to just okay,
• 1:32:30
  you know, what now we're doing it. That would really catch me
• 1:32:32
  off guard. I don't think that's what we're having happened, but just the
• 1:32:38
  thought of that is really fine. Such an asshole wolf not from you,
• 1:32:45
  but from the offer. Nobody dies literally explosion like atomic explosion happens, but
• 1:32:56
  you this character no right? Like The only thing that I could picture going
• 1:33:02
  a different way is still that he gets saved, but that it's not Loofy
• 1:33:09
  who does it, Like he fails, but somebody else steps in, like
• 1:33:13
  his dad who we've heard about but haven't seen since Logtown pretty much exactly.
• 1:33:21
  So that's really what it comes down to is I think Ace is getting saved.
• 1:33:27
  Whether it's Loofy that does it, I'm gonna say it's like ninety percent
• 1:33:30
  that Lufy will do it, but I I just can't. I'm gonna I'm
• 1:33:40
  gonna once I finish the series, I'm gonna start writing fan fiction and I'm
• 1:33:44
  just gonna kill so many characters just to just be like, now we've got
• 1:33:46
  steaks. What do you think of that? Well? I feel like the
• 1:33:50
  life action will probably that's true. They have been like killing off more people
• 1:33:58
  and it works. I'm I'm fine with that yeah, you're right about like
• 1:34:03
  the it's like side people. But that's the point is that even when side
• 1:34:10
  people didn't die, I was like, Okay, well then I'm not worried
• 1:34:12
  about anybody. And I can't remember who it was if it was Seraphim.
• 1:34:16
  Somebody was in the chat saying that the Birdman in Alabasta. They're like,
• 1:34:21
  okay, I think he's actually going to die for the live action. I
• 1:34:26
  was like, yes, agree, Yeah that was the atomic bomb theme.
• 1:34:30
  I said, like, I feel confident on that one. Yeah. I
• 1:34:35
  feel like I've probably spoken about this before. I don't know. We don't
• 1:34:41
  have so much time left. I'm sorry, but I just always how would
• 1:34:47
  I say that when I don't feel like killing a character makes this story automatically
• 1:34:58
  better and just the idea of keeping like when a character dies for me,
• 1:35:10
  it needs to have an impact or meaning. For example, if Pearl would
• 1:35:15
  have died in this explosion and everything, that would have been great because he
• 1:35:18
  saved everybody, you know, like it would have a meaning behind it.
• 1:35:24
  I one time watched the show, and to be honest, I don't know
• 1:35:28
  what it was. It was like the super bad show that just was on
• 1:35:30
  the TV and basically the season, Vanelle was kind of this guy like who
• 1:35:39
  was always like a bad guy, kind of when he was on a good
• 1:35:44
  side, but like a snape, you know, like okay, so he
• 1:35:48
  was like an ass. But and then at the end he was like,
• 1:35:53
  no, he's going to sacrifice himself and I don't know, like he blew
• 1:35:56
  up. He blew himself up with the monster inside the billing, you know,
• 1:36:00
  like the culture bank, and you were like, yeah, great,
• 1:36:03
  and then he did nothing. The monster was still fine. It was like,
• 1:36:06
  uh, but he died, and I was just like, you know,
• 1:36:13
  I don't need that. I don't need people just die, you know.
• 1:36:16
  And hilarious. They were looking for a reason to get rid of this
• 1:36:19
  guy because he was not testing well with audiences anymore. Yeah, but you
• 1:36:27
  know, I if somebody dies, I want there to be a meaning and
• 1:36:31
  like a character arc, I just need something. Just death alone is so
• 1:36:38
  boring. I'm sorry, I fully agree. That's actually something that I've said
• 1:36:43
  before as like a kind of weird trend that we got into for a little
• 1:36:46
  while after Game of Thrones got popular, was because that show was so brutal
• 1:36:51
  and so many characters that you thought were safe wound up dead. There are
• 1:36:57
  so many writers both in like novels and TV that decided, oh, what
• 1:37:00
  people like is characters dying and that there's tons of like violence, and they
• 1:37:08
  completely misunderstood that, Like, no, what we like is that there are
• 1:37:13
  actual consequences for characters making bad decisions because otherwise, like most shows, people
• 1:37:18
  have plot armor and you're like, I know, perfectly well, this is
• 1:37:21
  going to work out because reasons, and you didn't have that with Game of
• 1:37:28
  Thrones the deaths of certain people who were very high budget actors who were brought
• 1:37:33
  on. People were genuinely shocked when they only lasted one season and then had
• 1:37:39
  their head cut off. So I think that we wound up in this weird
• 1:37:44
  period where a lot of TV and movies and books went too brutal just for
• 1:37:49
  the sake of it, thinking that made it good, and it was just
• 1:37:55
  not, that's not the point of it. So yeah, definitely agree.
• 1:38:00
  Yeah, And another thing is just like one piece, isn't that okay?
• 1:38:05
  Like people don't die, okay, So if you really have that big of
• 1:38:13
  a problem with it, go watch something else. Almostly, yeah, like
• 1:38:16
  not like it took me a while to like get on board with like,
• 1:38:21
  Okay, that's what this is going to be, and yeah, I definitely
• 1:38:27
  agree, but it has its place, you know, like sometimes we're not
• 1:38:30
  just something funny with like so emotions in it, but not not the stakes
• 1:38:35
  of that everybody can die at any seconds, Like we want something fluffy,
• 1:38:41
  you know, even though it is not as fluffy as other things, But
• 1:38:45
  I thought like there. I think the main issue for me always is does
• 1:38:56
  the property seem to be aware of what its tone is and one piece nobody
• 1:39:01
  ever dies? Fine, they know that, and they play it that way,
• 1:39:05
  like this show does not take itself super seriously. It has serious moments,
• 1:39:11
  but it doesn't take itself seriously versus my The go to example that I
• 1:39:15
  always do these days is Doctor Who. Doctor Who took itself really seriously sometimes
• 1:39:24
  and it pretended it didn't. It would have moments that were like, oh,
• 1:39:27
  isn't this funny, but even within that it was still very like we're
• 1:39:31
  so clever, instead of admitting like, sometimes our shit is nonsense and makes
• 1:39:36
  no sense. And I would get very frustrated watching that because they would create
• 1:39:42
  these big, supposedly heart wrenching plot lines and I knew the whole premise of
• 1:39:47
  this show is that you can just go like undo it all. You know,
• 1:39:54
  there'll be time travel, or there will be some weird like cosmic gadget.
• 1:40:00
  You can undo the thing, or he just like all of a sudden
• 1:40:03
  he oh, he has a bracelet that teleports them out. And that was
• 1:40:09
  what I would get so frustrated with, was like that show is halla goofy,
• 1:40:13
  and they tried way too hard to be like serious drama. That's not
• 1:40:17
  where y'all are, and you need to just come to terms with that and
• 1:40:21
  stop reaching for it because it doesn't hit. At least it didn't for me.
• 1:40:26
  I know it has a lot of fans, so I'm clearly like I
• 1:40:29
  am wrong objectively about how it is received because people love it, but I
• 1:40:33
  don't get why. I just don't understand the like fandom around it. I
• 1:40:38
  have never watched it, and maybe I will some the day, but so
• 1:40:43
  far I don't think it's worth it. Somebody out there listening to this is
• 1:40:48
  yanking their earbuds out of their ears screaming at me. Stand yeah, yeah
• 1:40:55
  no, but that's definitely like the one example in one piece I can think
• 1:40:59
  of is in Sky Island. I don't I don't know if you remember,
• 1:41:02
  but this one guy saves Cony's his daughter, you know, from like a
• 1:41:09
  lightning strike from naw right, it's Papaya, it's the father right right right,
• 1:41:15
  And you think he dies or like it seems like that he dies,
• 1:41:18
  you know, and then at the very end he shows up and it is
• 1:41:23
  a really comedic way, like they're like all crying like, oh no,
• 1:41:26
  he's away and he died. And then he's just there and he's like,
• 1:41:30
  oh yeah, that's really sad, and everybody, what are you? I
• 1:41:33
  forgot about that? Oh my god. You know, this show knows what
• 1:41:41
  it is. Yeah, he's just standing among them and be like, yeah,
• 1:41:45
  that's really tragic. Everybody's like what the fuck are you doing here?
• 1:41:49
  So it knows that it is like stupid and and fun, you know.
• 1:41:55
  Yeah, yes, that's it. That's all I want I whenever, like,
• 1:41:59
  no matter whether there's something is serious or comedic, I just wanted to
• 1:42:01
  remain consistent in terms of the tone, like it can it can. A
• 1:42:10
  drama can be comedic, a comedy can be dramatic, but there has to
• 1:42:15
  be a stability to that and self seriousness is something that very few things I
• 1:42:21
  have come across really earn. So anyway, all right, well we are
• 1:42:28
  out of time. Yeah, I think we did pretty good every all things
• 1:42:31
  considered. I'm sorry guys that I uh shorted you on an episode, but
• 1:42:35
  I promise I'll make it up to you next time. I'll talk about that
• 1:42:39
  episode on top and I'll just do my best to like keep my discussion on
• 1:42:45
  topic and not wander off into tangent land too much. Yeah, because that's
• 1:42:49
  not what we do. Did for like the past, we had time to
• 1:42:55
  fill. It was different, it was different. No, I always,
• 1:42:59
  I always hear I'm always here for that. Listen, I am here for
• 1:43:01
  that. Like honestly, why else would I be here. I want to
• 1:43:11
  say thank you for having me and hell for still covering the show and still
• 1:43:16
  enjoying it. Thank you so much for coming on and commissioning it. And
• 1:43:21
  just like at this point, I don't even want to do the math on
• 1:43:26
  how much you guys have shelled out to keep commissioning this show, but you're
• 1:43:30
  helping me keep the lights on over here, so that is hugely appreciated.
• 1:43:35
  Oh, it's a win win for everybody, I guess. All right,
• 1:43:40
  thank you, Florian, I thank everybody listening and we will be seeing you
• 1:43:44
  again soon with new episodes. Until then, to the lou motherfuckers. Bye.
• 1:44:18
  That was an unspoiled network podcast.