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Super Tuesdays - The Death of Lindsey Graham and the Senate's Vanishing Center · The Chuck ToddCast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Super Tuesdays. I'm Chris Slizza Dodd. We are
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  Speaker 1: to be a brand new special final deadline on behalf
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  Speaker 1: of a replacement Senate Canada. We now have South Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say we now have two says. It's
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  Speaker 1: a who says we're gonna have a boring summer.
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  Speaker 2: Two primaries that we didn't have literally two and a
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  Speaker 2: half weeks ago.
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  Speaker 1: All right, firehouse primary and make convention and that's full
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  Speaker 1: fledged primary primary. I want to just give a shout
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  Speaker 1: out to the South Carolina ledge. I love the fact
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  Speaker 1: that this was just laid out here, very specifically. They
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  Speaker 1: had it all planned out.
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  Speaker 3: It is two tuesdays after this to two that it's
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  Speaker 3: two tuesdays, that it's two tuesdays now, there is some
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  Speaker 3: logistical issues some federal government law having to do with
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  Speaker 3: overseas ballots. There might be some issues here, it might
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  Speaker 3: delay things, but the I just appreciated the fact that
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  Speaker 3: they was at forethought there was no beggaries here. It
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  Speaker 3: was sort of like, forget look at the mess we
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  Speaker 3: had for three days in Maine. We knew exactly what
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  Speaker 3: the situation was in South Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: So shout out in South Carolina legislature.
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  Speaker 2: Sc legislature for the all right, So the reason that
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  Speaker 2: there is an opening is late Saturday night, Lindsay Graham.
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  Speaker 2: You've already heard this passed away a ortic rupture, which
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  Speaker 2: sounds absolutely terrible. Chuck, let's before we go, because I
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  Speaker 2: think the race to replace him is going to be fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: And I would say I'll just add, as an editorial note,
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  Speaker 2: slightly unseemly the number of candidates who were basically like
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  Speaker 2: I'm in the face within twelve hours of us knowing
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  Speaker 2: Lindsay Graham dying.
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  Speaker 1: But that's the environment to do this. I was just
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  Speaker 1: going to say, you know, when you have a death
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  Speaker 1: and a campaign here, I remember this, you know, being
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  Speaker 1: woken up about Mel Carnahan. Yep, Wellstone happens in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of a campaign, it just everything accelerates, Yes, and
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  Speaker 1: it kind of has to. The pribality is going to
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  Speaker 1: be August eleventh. I mean, you know, we're not the family,
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  Speaker 1: And if I were the family, I'd be like, God,
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  Speaker 1: this is gross. Can you let us mourn our uncle, dad, mom, friend? Whatever?
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  Speaker 1: It is? Right? And you know, here the political it's
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  Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, but you know what, we're on a
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  Speaker 1: deadline here, yeah, got and we've got it is a
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  Speaker 1: tight deadline. And you know it's sort of like and
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  Speaker 1: I think, look, I think if you don't go online,
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  Speaker 1: I think people look, I think we're seeing a fair
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  Speaker 1: image of Lindsay.
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  Speaker 2: And I was going to say, let's talk about Lindsay
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  Speaker 2: and because he's very, very divisive, particularly his last ten.
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  Speaker 1: Years of his life, and then we'll talk about the race. Well, look,
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  Speaker 1: I think ninety percent of the takes on Lindsay are
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  Speaker 1: really people expressing their own political beliefs and.
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  Speaker 4: Like almost always right, which is I was just going
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  Speaker 4: to say, most of the time, Yeah, political obituaries are
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  Speaker 4: about the person saying it or writing Yep.
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  Speaker 1: I don't say this to be blanketly critical. I think
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  Speaker 1: various takes. I think I can tell you this. I
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  Speaker 1: understand why some people look at him and say he
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  Speaker 1: was nothing but an enabler. I look at others who say,
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  Speaker 1: here's a guy whose job was to represent the state
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  Speaker 1: of South Carolina and their Republican party, and he was
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  Speaker 1: always doing his best to represent where his voters were going,
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  Speaker 1: and he was being representative in bringing advisory. But he's
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  Speaker 1: doing representative, that's right, doing what he could to bring
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  Speaker 1: back money to a state that needs federal money, you
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  Speaker 1: know whatever. Like so this is where I you know,
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  Speaker 1: I sort of came. I said, you know, I stole
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  Speaker 1: this from a from a great interview I once heard
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  Speaker 1: about acting that basically there's two types of actors, humans
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  Speaker 1: and aliens, meaning that there's actors that become the character
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  Speaker 1: they're playing and you cannot you cannot, you don't see
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  Speaker 1: the actor anymore, okay, right, They like Daniel d Lewis
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  Speaker 1: would be like the most modern one right now, the
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  Speaker 1: British guy, uh slow, Christian Bale. Oh, oh, yes, I
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  Speaker 1: know exactly what you're talking about. Yes, we're too old now. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: By the way, that's what's amazing about him. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he's got this uncanny one am I God,
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  Speaker 1: it's killing me. Gary, is it? Gary Oldman? Gary? We
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  Speaker 1: did it? Chuck Tumork. When you're over fifty, you need
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  Speaker 1: you need help, Gary Oldman. Just and versus a George
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  Speaker 1: Clooney who's always George Clooney charterrific. Like Brad Pitt, he
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  Speaker 1: plays himself well right. Elected officials, there are two types
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  Speaker 1: of elected officials. They're ideologues and there are politicians. The
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  Speaker 1: ideologues are believe in a movement and ultimately always or
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  Speaker 1: that Bernie Sanders is not a politician. He's terrible at
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  Speaker 1: practicing politics. He's great talking about what he believes in,
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  Speaker 1: and he's an ideological leader. Ron right, Yes, he's a politician, Yeah, Lindsay.
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  Speaker 1: And I would say about you know, seventy five percent
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  Speaker 1: of the senators are senators because they're politicians before their ideologues,
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  Speaker 1: which is why. Yeah, I noticed its like Norm Mornstein
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  Speaker 1: was very upset that so many Democratic senators have been
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  Speaker 1: praiseworthy of Lindsay, and you don't understand that, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: and he sort of explained, and it's sort of like,
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  Speaker 1: look I look at it this way. If you're a
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  Speaker 1: Democratic senator, Lindsey Graham was one of your favorite people
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  Speaker 1: to work with because he could you could always find
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  Speaker 1: something to work. He was like, you know, it's like
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  Speaker 1: think about your own place of employment. There may be
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  Speaker 1: people that other people don't like or think they don't
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  Speaker 1: like that are some of your favorite colleagues because you
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  Speaker 1: know how to work with them, and they make your
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  Speaker 1: job easier, Lindsey Graham, and they're willing to work with you.
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  Speaker 1: Christ Christ to a lot of senators made life easier
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  Speaker 1: in the Senate if you were trying, you know, especially
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  Speaker 1: even now. And this is where I think the fallout
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  Speaker 1: from Lindsay is going to be bigger than everybody anticipates.
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  Speaker 1: Look the gutting of the center of the Senate. Let
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  Speaker 1: me tell you the people that are not going to
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  Speaker 1: be there in six months. Lindsey Graham, John Cornyt, Tom Tillis,
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  Speaker 1: Built Cassidy yep. Dick Durbin, Gary Peters yep. Okay, these
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  Speaker 1: are people that Jean shehen on Jean, there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of there's a lot of These are the people when
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  Speaker 1: there are gangs, they sign up for him. There's a
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  Speaker 1: good kind of gangs that that sort of you know,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, we could look, there could be no
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  Speaker 1: Susan Collins. Now do I think a Roy Cooper probably
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  Speaker 1: slots right into that? Sure? Yes I do, Right do
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  Speaker 1: I think and Angie Craig, if she wins that Minnesota senancy,
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  Speaker 1: which I'm not one hundred percent convinced she's going to
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  Speaker 1: get the nomination, she might you could say, to sort
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  Speaker 1: of become a Clobyshar like figure. I kind of think
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  Speaker 1: Angie Craig, if she loses the primary, still becomes a
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  Speaker 1: Senator because Amy Klobasar will have to point that's right,
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  Speaker 1: be governor. And my bet is on if Angie Craig
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  Speaker 1: doesn't make it out of the primary, then it'll be Anji.
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  Speaker 1: But I think about this and you throw in you know,
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  Speaker 1: it is look the ideologues present, you know, push right,
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  Speaker 1: But but it's the center and a bunch of these
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  Speaker 1: folks that actually execute that actually get the legislation passed
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  Speaker 1: in order to see if a medicare even you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you want medicare for all someday, you're going to
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  Speaker 1: need people like Gary Peters and Lindsey Graham to get
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  Speaker 1: parts of it over the finish line. So I understand
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  Speaker 1: if you're really anti Trump and you view this as existential.
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  Speaker 1: You cannot see any of the good in Lindsay if
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  Speaker 1: you're somebody who thinks, hey, look, our politics goes crazy
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  Speaker 1: every once in a while, but if you believe the
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  Speaker 1: thing is still operable, Lindsay was a cog that kept
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  Speaker 1: it operable. Was it an ideal operation? It was not.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that this. You know, I understand the
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  Speaker 1: personal passion that people have here on Lindsay, and again
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  Speaker 1: I chalk it up to people's own pot Look, I
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  Speaker 1: have my own issues with Lindsay. I shared a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of them on my podcasts because I had my own interactions.
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  Speaker 1: I love to be on me the press, and but
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  Speaker 1: you know, he look, without Lindsay Graham, the Stele docia
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have been credible to a lot of reporters. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's just a you know, that's it's
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  Speaker 1: a reminder. He always was in the middle of every story.
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  Speaker 1: My story was I that's so true. I have two thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: One I would recommend people Chuck and I have talked
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  Speaker 2: about him before, but I would recommend to people Brad
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  Speaker 2: Todd Substack.
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  Speaker 1: He is a Republican consultant.
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  Speaker 2: I often guessed on shows that Chuck hosted on TV.
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  Speaker 1: We are not related, not related, although I think we're both.
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  Speaker 1: The Todd's side comes somewhere in that Scotch Irish area. Right.
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  Speaker 1: You probably related, way way, way, way, way way back.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure I had an ancestor getting a fight with
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  Speaker 1: his ancestry.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he wrote a piece on Lindsay that echoes a
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  Speaker 2: lot of what and again, subscribe to him on substack,
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  Speaker 2: whether you're a Republican Democrat or whatever. He's a really
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  Speaker 2: talented writer. He wrote a piece basically saying the Senate
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  Speaker 2: will be worse without Integram for many of the reasons
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  Speaker 2: you just outlined, Chuck, which is Lindsey wanted to do stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Lindsay wasn't there to not do anything right. He wanted
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  Speaker 2: things to happen. He wanted to be in the mix.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, I would.
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  Speaker 1: Argue, and I think you probably do too. His desire
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  Speaker 1: to be relevant, his desire.
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  Speaker 2: To matter, made his policy beliefs, with the exception of
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  Speaker 2: his hawkishness on national security, really fungible and changeable, which
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  Speaker 2: is how you go from John McCain to Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 2: But the other point, so read that piece. The other
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  Speaker 2: point I want to make is when you say the center.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're totally right, and I think I wish
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  Speaker 2: this is what I was to say. Most people think
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  Speaker 2: left right. The truth is the center is I would
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  Speaker 2: define the Senate, especially as split between people whose default
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  Speaker 2: setting is let's figure out a way to get something
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  Speaker 2: done and passed, and people whose default setting is not that. Right,
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  Speaker 2: the center by your by your correct the center, by
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  Speaker 2: that your definition we are not talking about because look,
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  Speaker 2: Dick Durbin is a liberal Lindsey Graham, but Lindsey Graham
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  Speaker 2: is a conservative.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, usually there's stuff done, but really said yesterday
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  Speaker 1: and his you know, he goes, Look I did not,
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  Speaker 1: he goes, he goes. I disagree with Lindsay on a
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  Speaker 1: lot of things, but you know what I'm I really
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  Speaker 1: appreciate the fact that he did co sponsor my bill
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  Speaker 1: early on. I think he was trying to get dreamers legalized,
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  Speaker 1: and he goes, he was an early co sponsor. He
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  Speaker 1: never pulled his name, you know. And that's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: What's funny about Lindsay is he really you know, he
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  Speaker 1: the constituents he loved the best, and the and the
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  Speaker 1: ones that loved him the best were his fellow senators. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Every other ring of people around him liked him exactly right,
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  Speaker 1: exactly Now. This gets it to sort of you know,
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  Speaker 1: I also when I make that distinction between ideologues and politicians,
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay is the type of personality that if he had
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  Speaker 1: been born and raised in Oregon, he'd have been the
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  Speaker 1: Democratic center from Oregon one hundred. But he'd have been
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  Speaker 1: a United States center correct if he had come from
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  Speaker 1: you know, if he had come from Minnesota, he'd have
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  Speaker 1: probably been to the left of Al Franken and been
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  Speaker 1: a center from there. And I don't say it. I've
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  Speaker 1: said the same thing about Ted Cruz. I don't. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying I think he just I think he was
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  Speaker 1: predisposed to be to be into politics correct, culturally and geographically.
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  Speaker 1: He was growing up in a right of center conservative place.
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  Speaker 1: Goes into the military, is more comfortable on the right
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  Speaker 1: side of the aisle. But the fact is, and this
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  Speaker 1: is how I always distinguished between your ideologues and your
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  Speaker 1: quote politicians. You know, ideas from the left don't bother him.
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  Speaker 1: He's willing to consider them. And those that are legislators first,
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  Speaker 1: that's sort of how they think. It's like they think
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  Speaker 1: less where they came from. They certainly care about the
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  Speaker 1: political implications because they want to stay at a United
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  Speaker 1: States senator. And I think that that's ultimately what made
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  Speaker 1: Lindsey effective and what makes him polarizing are the same qualities. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: One last thing I want to note on him before
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  Speaker 2: we move on to the race to replace him. I
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  Speaker 2: think we often and I think people who don't cover
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  Speaker 2: this stuff regularly never even think of this, but personally
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  Speaker 2: they are still people. Personality traits matter. Lindsey Graham was
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  Speaker 2: well liked for in the Senate, Democrats included, largely because
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  Speaker 2: he was, to Chuck's point, willing to kind of talk
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  Speaker 2: to anyone. And you heard it over and over again yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: He's funny, right. Al Franken, professional comedian said, was asked
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  Speaker 2: about who's the Who's the funniest senator?
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  Speaker 1: And he said, Lindsay Graham, Like there is Kennedy, although exactly,
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  Speaker 1: but Kenny writes his material. Kennedy is psych is It's natural. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's funny off the top of his head. That's why
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  Speaker 1: Frankin admires it.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, don't don't forget these are people and ultimately
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  Speaker 2: that one hundred people and who they work with and
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  Speaker 2: who they like is like one hundred people at your workplace.
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  Speaker 1: Who do you trust to the who? Who's company do
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  Speaker 1: you enjoy being in?
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  Speaker 2: And I will tell you, even if you hated Lindsey Graham,
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  Speaker 2: if you went out to dinner with him, he is
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  Speaker 2: a very engaging he's smart, he had you know, he's funny.
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  Speaker 1: Winton did vodka shots with Lindsey Graham. Correct, she didn't
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  Speaker 1: do vodka shots with Barack Obama. Correct, Like it's sort
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  Speaker 1: of but let me let's talk about the near term consequence. So, yeah, Lindsey,
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  Speaker 1: Lindsey was essentially John Thune's messenger to Trump. Trump basically
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  Speaker 1: said that was Donald Trump's messenger to Lisa Murkowski and
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  Speaker 1: Susan Collins. Yep, like you are losing I didn't. I
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  Speaker 1: am skeptical. Todd Blanche is going to get confirmed. Period.
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  Speaker 1: I am even before this, really skeptical he gets without
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham doing doing the soft cell. You know, look,
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  Speaker 1: Collins can't because of re election. So there's one not gone.
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  Speaker 1: And you're going to have an interesting issue here with
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  Speaker 1: with with Mitch because the other big news is going
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  Speaker 1: to be about, yeah, talking about slipping it in Hey,
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  Speaker 1: this is a pretty good everybody's sposing. I'm fine, I'm alive.
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  Speaker 1: I tell you about you know, here's a here's a
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  Speaker 1: Proof of Life sports section, which that sad commentary on
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  Speaker 1: our information ecosystem, right, but that's still He's like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to rehab and and I have no idea when
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  Speaker 1: he's coming back. He's eighty four years old. I will
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  Speaker 1: tell you this, does he come back. I have a
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  Speaker 1: now late family member who went from hospital to rehab
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  Speaker 1: and never left rehab and it was over a year.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, in Washington, d C.
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  Speaker 2: So well, and you haven't even gotten to Tillis Markowski Cornyn.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we haven't even gotten Lindsey was the Trump
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  Speaker 2: whisperer in both directions. He was the he was the
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  Speaker 2: go between, especially when Thune needed something, you know, especially
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  Speaker 2: when McConnell needed something before that, and then being able
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  Speaker 2: to talk to the real Trump skeptical senators like Todd Young, Markowski,
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  Speaker 2: uh and and Colins. So I just think it's a
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  Speaker 2: it's and then you throw in you know, Zelensky lost
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  Speaker 2: his best Trump whisper too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The only thing keeping Trump from totally abandoning Ukraine
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  Speaker 1: was was Lindsay Graham. So Lindy short term, huge setback
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  Speaker 1: to Donald Trump. I mean gigantic.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you got the Labor Secretary, you got Todd Blanche,
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  Speaker 2: you got a bunch of confirmation stuff coming up.
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  Speaker 5: D N.
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  Speaker 1: I have Lindsey Graham there as a as a back room, sir,
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  Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a bad time for Trump's
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  Speaker 1: you know he is. Trump has relationship with Toddy right,
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  Speaker 1: he's never really bothered.
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  Speaker 2: Does that a relationship with almost anybody in the Senate
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  Speaker 2: other than people who are sick of fans or with
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  Speaker 2: John Barrasso. Rick Scott's not delivering votes for Todd Blanche
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  Speaker 2: and that's who he has a relationship with.
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  Speaker 1: Tommy Tuber, guy like Scott Scott, Scott and Tupperville. Neither
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  Speaker 1: one of them were overly popular with senators, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Now Mark Wayne Mullen was a little bit more. He
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  Speaker 1: does have a few more relationships with other senators than
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  Speaker 1: maybe they lean on him. Yep, you know. But now
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  Speaker 1: you got Ron Johnson with the Budget Committee. That guy's
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  Speaker 1: gonna end I know he's not. He doesn't have the
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  Speaker 1: best bedside manner with those other ninety nine senators. It's
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  Speaker 1: a it's a.
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  Speaker 2: It's a bigger deal internally than people know, I think,
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  Speaker 2: and it matters more.
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  Speaker 1: I was already skeptical Trump could get much done now,
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  Speaker 1: considering just how many enemies he has in his own
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  Speaker 1: party with Cornyn and Cassidy and Tilla's never never mind
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  Speaker 1: Collins politically can't get near him, you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is already. Let's put it this way. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if Republicans are going to lose control of the
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  Speaker 1: Senate next year. They have functionally lost control of the
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  Speaker 1: Senate right now. It's really hard. Right now, they functionally
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  Speaker 1: do not have control of the Senate. Function well, actually
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  Speaker 1: technically they have control, but function.
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  Speaker 2: You mean, in practice, it's going to be hard for them,
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  Speaker 2: in the same way it is hard for Mike Johnson
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  Speaker 2: in the House to get based.
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  Speaker 1: Accessor right, let's talk.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about the race to replace Lindsey.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: So he was the nominee, he had won week, I mean,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: we were we did a live stream with DDHQ.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: He won under convincingly, but not under overwhelmingly.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Right, it looks to all the world as though Henry McMaster,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: the governor of the state who's a big Trump ally
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: will probably appoint Lindsay Graham's younger sister to this.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: This interrupt the caretaker role for five months because John
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Thune needs a vote and he's going to because they
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: need another Republican. The exactly can't wait till. They can't
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: wait till late August, and that is supposed to be
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: coming shortly after we tape. I think it would be surprising.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I think it would be supressing if he doesn't pick her.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Trump is already the Republicly Party and Tim Scott the
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: vote has sailed on that.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I was just going to say, this has been core,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: This feels it's cooked totally McMaster, Scott and Trump on this.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: And then it's like almost it is almost certain she
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: will be the pick, and also almost as certain you
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: never say never, but that she will not try to
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: seek the flow six year term.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I just people need to understand the picture here a second. Okay,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham got elected to this United States Senate see
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and two till twenty four years ago.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: He replaced strom Thurman, who had held that seat for
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: over fifty years. So you've got, you know, this idea
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: that you're going to be able to just sort of
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: hope that you can rally around a person or two
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: insane when people realize this is a generational Lindsey got
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: elected at O two and he was probably going to
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: get re elected, Like I look, I think Andy Andrews
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: is a real challenger. He was probably getna get reelected,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: but he was probably going to get reelected, Yes, which
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: means he was. I'm going to be on the clock
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: for thirty two. And I promise you he would have
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: run again people. He look, he would have run for
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: as long as he could have. Yeah, the Senate seat.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: He cared about that Senate seat as much as some
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: people care about their spouse.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: That's a Chuck Grassley situation. He's going to be there
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: as long as he can be there.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: And he did die in all right, And yeah, you
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: know he's two or three senators now who are a
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: little bit younger than him that I that I put in,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: they'll they would probably are going to do if they
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: could going out, horizontal, go up. Yeah, they'd like to
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: just stay in at the rest of their lives. Yeah.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: So the point is is that you know, an open
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Senate seat in South Carolina comes across about once every
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: thirty years, right like, and.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: You didn't even mention Chuck on the other side. I
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: went back and looked at this. I mean, remember how
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: long Fritz Hollings was in the Senate for eighty four?
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Oh he was so I mean it's not like one seat.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: He was the longest serving junior senator.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I think he was like eighty five years old and
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: he was a junior seven. I mean, they do not
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: come open.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Fritz Hollings gave us the greatest line about the US
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Senate than anybody ever uttered. He said, there's no better
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: nursing home in the United States, in the United States Senate. Yep.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: And he was also called Jim Diman a goddamn skunk?
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Is that do you call a skunk? Something like that?
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Gold Fritz If you don't know about Fritz Hollings, very quotable.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: He was a Democrat, by the way.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah he did. You know it's funny he ran for
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: president in eighty Was that any eighty four eighty four?
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: And it never really went anywhere. He'd have really been
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: such a fun candidate in the in when there was
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: more media available, like he'd have caught fire, he'd had
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: he'd have caught bigger fire in the way we covered
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Totally super quotable quote would say stuff was willing to
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: take people on publicly anyway.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Yes to your point, but do not come open. So
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I expect this to be a free for all. So
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: we're going to have a runoff. And this is here's
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: the thing which faction, you know, the South Carolina Republican
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Party has, it's a very factionalized party. Right, you've got this.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: You know, Nicky Haley was an outsider. She was part
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: of sort of the Mark Sandford's I don't think Jacks
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: mark Sandford's share, but they were both outsiders. And so
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: there was these outsiders. McMaster was the ultimate insider, and
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: he'd been the insider and nobody ever wanted. He kept
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: losing races for governor and then finally Trump basically orchestrates
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the governorship for them. That's right, Nikki Haley and Haley
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: in the into the un But the point is there's
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: this sort of Columbia Republican establishment. And I'd say, there's
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: that statue McMaster, that's Lindsay was a part of that world, Pamela.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Event I assume the lieutenant governor is too, and then
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. The Wilsons were kind of you know,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: they're not outsiders per se, they're kind of, but they're
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: just in another factions.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: And geographically different too, right, which matters in South Carolina.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Scott's never really been he was, He's never been as
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: insider ish in the South Carolina political you know, you know,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: it's a real South Carolina probably rivals only Louisiana for
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: its sort of obsession with little things about politics. They
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: just love it, right, So I'd love covering South Carolina races, Charles.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I have three talents there, great sort. I just love
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: the place I barbecue, the way I enjoy Iowa, right,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: totally in that same respect. And I so you're gonna
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: see I think a ton of people here. And look
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: if the conservative challenger Lynch right, who was running a
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: very who ran against Lindsay in this primary. And we've
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: seen how much these super outsiders are, which is smart
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: that McMaster. I mean, I think McMaster probably would like
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: to run, and I think sure that he wouldn't win,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of a mess. And remember this is
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: for six years, not two, and he's limited for two.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Might see some like yep, you know a little more
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: agreement to things. But this is six, so you.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Know you can in the two in the I was
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: just gonna say, in these a lot of these ones
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: where you run and then you got to run two
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: years later.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: This is a giant time coming because of how this happened.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: So I'm a you know, let me put it this way.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: If this were years ago, Mitch McConnell would already have
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Nikki Haley as the Senate nominee. Annie Andrews would be going,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: oh man, that's all the strats would be over right.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: You know, Mitch McConnell was the one that got your
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Doles and your Lamar Alexander's right when they when
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: they had these high profile vacancies, and he just went
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: and grabbed the you know, you try primarying this person
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: type of mindset, right, Well, that ain't the world we're
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: living in, right, So there's so that's why I think
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna you know, Nicky Haley's already taken herself out.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: But this is gonna be a crowd of primary. It's
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: going to be a mass Trump will get involved, and
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: it provides Democrats more of an opportunity than it should
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: sure because it wasn't over until August twenty fifth because
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: of the way Trump and the sort of the right
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: word shift of the party. I mean, I thought, you know,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Anny Andrews has been very careful here to stay as
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: she's been hugging that center lane. She has been much
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: more of a center center center politician than Jamie Harrison.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: And Jamie didn't run a super liberal campaign, but Jamie
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: was running a Democratic National Democratic Party campaign. This feels
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: a little more South Carolina, and I think Jamie would
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: push back on me on that a little bit, but
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I just feel like his was a it was a
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: little too easy to nationalize him as a National Democrats filming.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: It's how we raised all that money. But on the
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: other side side was amount of money. The downside is
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I think it branded and the wrong part of the party.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: It's so I just want to I want to linger
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: on one more minute on the South Carolina Republican Party
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: because when I was writing about Lindsay yesterday, you know
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: you forget this, but you go back in that two race.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I think it is a massive testament to his political
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: abilities that after that seat, to your point, had not
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: been vacant for fifty years, he was unchallenged in a
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: primary in which two years earlier, the McCain people, of
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: which Graham was one, and the Bush people. You remember,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: that was the ugly est moment of that race, right.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: It was McCain as a black child, and McCain was
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: clearly embittered, and.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: And Lindsay was able to unify that. But the party is.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Always been a little bit that there are factions, right,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: and it's there are different factions now than there were
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: men like like.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: You know what, people forget Carol Campbell and Leattwater. I'm
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: really dating myself here. They sort of built the modern
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: South Carolina Republican Party. And it was the Carol Campbell
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: sort of team that was sort of and and and
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Leatwater made it all part of the Bush clan, right,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and McCain had to do how to get the other factions.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: And you know, it's funny about Lindsay. Lindsay was just
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: a House member when he jumped on mccambley two thousand
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: and it was such a smart move by Lindsay because
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Lindsay was kind of an unknown member of Congress. He'd
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: spent like six years, Yes, he was the impeachment manager,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: but not unknown, but he was just you know, attacked
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: becoming McCain's national co chair right, Oh yeah, he had
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: a big role, gave him all of us sudden when
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: TV bookers, they book somebody from Team Bush and then
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: they book somebody from McCain, and all mcain would offer
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: was Lindsay was the only person that was willing ye.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: And you know, I think this is why there used
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: to be such anger at at Lindsay about the Trump stuff,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: because you know, Lindsey Graham was would be nothing without
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: John McCain hunter, John McCain created. Let's not pretend Lindsey
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: graham political career was made by the endorsement of John
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: McCain right in the house. He's been a backband, mid
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: mid level, that's right, and he and he had a
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: flair for getting inserting himself and good talker Cain that
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: that gave him some grinder was McCain that really elevated
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: him that well, So for people who are watching, that
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: will be in August eleventh.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Primary, and as Chuck and I both assume in August
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: twenty fifth runof because it's probably going to be, I
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: assume Trump will endorse Pamela event he endorsed her first
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: in the governor's race. Then when he saw she was
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: going to lose the runoff to Allen Wilson, who's Attorney general.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Who's try a lot, she got killed, that is convinced
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: that she's gonna I just look at the rest of
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: the field.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Is a little weird. He's not gonna endorse Nancy Mace,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: even though she probably will run. He's not gonna endorse
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: I don't think Ralph Norman another congressman who ran for
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: governor maybe, and then maybe.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Nick Haley supporter Ralph Norman.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I mean that's sort of the problem, right and then
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: and then like could like Trey.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Goudy do it?
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: No, is there like an ambassador from there? That's some
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: rich guy.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: You know. She would tell you this, I know. I
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: mean Trey Goudy would be who would be the perfect
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: compromise candidate. I mean, more so than anybody you could
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: come up with. I think Trump could get around um.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: I think he would endorse him. Yep. Everything I understand
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: about Trey Goudy is is he wants he I don't
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: think he wants to do it primary. But if you
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: basically hand him an endorsement.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: And if Trump endorses is it a Julia Letlow situation
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: in Louisiana where you're probably gonna win.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I still don't think he avoids a primer avoids of
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: no someone will run against them and like this Lynch
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: guy's gonna run like he why would we? You know?
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: And then Nancy Mace because she's an attention what else
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: does she have to do?
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Exactly another way to it keeps her alt, It keeps her,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, irrelevant for another month talk about.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Such a you know, sometimes you don't need to interview
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: people to know the truth. She put up a tweet
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: that was simply al Pacino, Oh yeah, you know, yeah,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: every time dragged me back in, they helped me back in.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: And you're like, and it was literally like four hours
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: after Lindsay Graham. I was just gonna say, I would
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: have said, felt like ten minutes after after the announcement,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: and you're like, huh boy, you are. It's revealing. Everybody
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: thinks you are so karat got. So the point is,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: of course she's running because it's sort of like why
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: wouldn't she. It's like if below deck we're going to
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: do something in her congression district, of course you're doing
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: a cameo.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: And beloved, that's why would like you know, she breathes air.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Of course she's going to run correct, let's do you
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: mentioned it?
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: And I want to get to it, so mix McConnell
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: clearly sensing that the news cycle.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: First of all, Lindsey Graham dies very suddenly. Now it's like, well,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: what the hell is going on with McConnell. We still
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: don't know. It's been June fourteen since she was a
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: one seat majority in the US Senate.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: McConnell puts out McConnell puts out a picture literally as
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Chuck sat him. It's literally a proof of life picture.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: It's like a picture with him with his wife Lanchau,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: form of Transportation secretary under Trump. With the Today's Sunday's paper.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: He says he fell at his home. He was briefly unconscious.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: He then contracted pneumonia, wall in the hospital, and he's
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: at a rehabilitation center right now, to which I asked this, Chuck,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: why couldn't we have said that on June sixteenth rather
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: than on July twelfth, which is when they said it?
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Maybe and was that a mistake? Well, we don't. Here's
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: the thing. My guess is. And here's what here's what
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: every crisis communications person would say. Don't say anything unless
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: you have some new information.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Right, and you can be close to definitive, don't don't
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: be definitive it right.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: My guess is they found out this weekend that he
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: was going to get discharged to a rehab center, and
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: they know that it's going to be a rehab center,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: and they had to announce it, you know.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: And they saw an opportunity, Let's be honest, they saw
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: an opportunity.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: We'll kind of slip it in. Then of course it
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: was slipped in, right. Maybe that announcement was played for
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: you know, Sunday night. I was going to say today, right, yeah,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: or something like that, and instead, all right, let's let's
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: slip it in here and we'll go. We'll go a
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: day earlier. But that all happened in the last twenty
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: four hours. This has been a long twenty four hours, right,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: long weekend, right, waking up at five thirty in the
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: morning and doing the should I look at my phone
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: or not look at my phone? And of course I
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: look at the phone and go always same as me, Yeah,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: And that's what happens. And then of course you don't
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: go to sleep after that, now, And look, I thought, look,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: there was another medical issue that was buried this week too,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that in a second. But I
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: thought it was quite significant and quite just. And I
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: say this just out of concern for the senator's health.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: If you're going to a rehab cenator after a fall,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: something more happened. So there's something else we don't know.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Did he You know, they went out of their way,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I think, to say that he did not have a stroke?
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Right, correct, no heart attack and no stroke. They said, now, no, no,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: he does not, can't sir. They put out a thing
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: that basically tried to because.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: A lot of times falls are a result of correct, right,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: you know. And so that's why you're like, what was
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: it a stroke? Now? There are some things that are
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: like a stroke that are technically not a stroke. And
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: these are questions that if they had provided a doctor
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: a reporter, of course you have that it doesn't always now,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, I would like, hey, did was
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: this a tia? Which is sort of what is considered
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: a mini stroke? But I think you would technically say
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: is not a stroke. I had a relative who did
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: not end up having a stroke. But essentially it it
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: was like a stroke, correct exactly, so it was you know,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: still something with circulation, still see something concerning. It's something
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: very concerning. So right, I don't think we've got the
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: full story. And the fact that he's got to go
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: to rehab, the question is why what do you have
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: to what is it physically you have to you know,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: do you have a leg issue? Do you have a
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: hip issue? You know? What? Is it a speech impediment? Right?
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Do you have a speaking you know? Because he did
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: not speak.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: For people who did involve, they put out a tweet
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: with the information.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: But I would assume if they do not want him
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: to go home, that this is not verbal, that this
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: is physical.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, physical for sure, And like you said, there's a
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: little something more going on than we know, which doesn't
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: mean he's brain dead. It doesn't mean the photo is AI.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: No, but it's much Look, the fact that they won't
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: release him but they'll release them to a reha facility
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: means and you know they've got they probably have enough wealth.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: If they could do care at home, they would for sure.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: So the fact that this seems a doctor's orders kind
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: of thing, Right, I was just going to say you
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: have to say, you know, sometimes you're stuck sort of
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: eliminating certain things. Elaine chau and Mitch McConnell are quite wealthy,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: so yes, you know, home healthcare is not an issue.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: This would not and even you know, so the question
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: is this is probably not about logistics.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: You've intrigued me, and I was scanning my brain. What
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: is the other health issue that happened this weekend other than.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Linda and Mitch. Donald Trump sort of in this weird
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: rant the other day said, by the way, I went
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: back to Walter Reed, back to Walter Reed and had
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: another cognitive test, and you're like, wait a minute. He
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: would read what time? Like how often are we going
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: to do this? And I'm I'm I found myself of
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: mixed minds on this, right, because on one hand, I'm thinking, well,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I think all of our seventy or eighty year old
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: president we ought to be checked out every couple of months,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: and maybe this is so I kind of I don't
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: want to discourage this behavior. Maybe there should be mandatory
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: any president over seventy five has to be checked out
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: by Walter Reid brain specialists every every ninety days. You know,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: what sure, I got no issue with that, and I
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: don't know if they public would have an issue with that.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: So so there's one part of me that's there. The
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: other part of me is like, what is going on
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: with his health? Clearly right after he gets back from overseas,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: he had to immediately go to Walter Reid. It's look,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: obviously he's there's something, he's got a new ailment, or
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: he's got something that's before. They're worried about something that
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: they have to monitor, right, and we're not, you know,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: we're not going to get What's funny is that you
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: know Trump gives it's you know, he's the one that
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: actually creates the alarm because totally he's how we found
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: out he had an MRI. I remember that, Like he said,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: well I went for an MRI. This is why there's
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: no need to spy on Trump. You just record them,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: you just hold it. Yes, he'll tell you. I got
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: to tell you everything totally, and it's you know, that's
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: talk about another thing that sort of got lost in
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: the news cycle over the weekend. It was his this oh,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: by the way, and I forget what was he ranting
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: about and had it was like something it was about
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: an entirely other story, and it was like two thirds
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: of the way down in a true social post. Yes,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: and it was some ridiculous rant he was doing. And
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're like, wait, what.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Speaking of ridiculous exactly, speaking of ridiculous rant.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: You don't need to offer any comment on this, but
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I want to note I think that's a level there
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: was no reason to say self confess. Yeah's just confessing.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I listened to and went through his interview with Fox
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: and Friends on Monday morning, and you know, it's ostensibly
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: an interview about Lindsey and he talks.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: About this Sunday body. Did you see what he's with
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Kristen Welker. He started talking about the same you know,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: the last things Lindsay was talking about was I'm sorry,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: the only thing Lindsay, im sure was talking about was Ukraine.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: But anyway, I mean, it's just it's no no to
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: that point.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: It's like, what's amazing about is if you read if
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: you read the transcript, the Fox anchors are desperately trying
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: to get him to talk about Lindsay and his phone
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: call with you know, because Lindsay called him when he
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: got back before he passed away, and Trump is like, and.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: In California there's millions of ballots, and you're like, oh
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: my god, Like he just can't. We've talked about it.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Then he times we can't make it about anyone but himself,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: like it's he's physically incapable of doing it.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, wasn't that the interview that he
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: basically attacked Lindsay for Jduary six?
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he got that one wrong, got that one wrong.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: But on ninety nine he called me ten minutes after
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: and said he had made a huge mistake, which, again,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: how the hell are we gonna know if that's true,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: because Lindsay's passed, Like, it's just it's just a making
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: it about itself.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: I'm only like eighty percent convinced Lindsay actually talked to Trump.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: I know, who the hell they like, it's there's every
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: chance Trump just said it, and like, you know, it's
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: sort of like Blue Tarski and Animal House Germans. Yes,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: it's just totally true. Sometimes it's just easier. Sure, if
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: he wants to make up that he had a conversation
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: with you, it's like, and how the hell are you
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: going now? You know, let him have it. You know,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: he's also he also said, he also said, he said
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: one hundred and seven.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: He said one hundred and seventeen thousand people came to
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: the Butler Pennsylvania one year intera versary. The estimates are
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: thirty thousand. Missed it by that much. Anyway, we mentioned
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Maine at the top back on a lot, by the way,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: thirty that may be high. We think a lot of
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: people if that actually happened. Yeah, we mentioned Maine at
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: the top. And I don't want to lose this because
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, look the fact that we are forty minutes
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: into this podcast and we have not mentioned the most
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: vulnerable Republican comment on the ballot, who now has no
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: opponent currently because the Democratic manage dropped out the most vulnerable,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: which we should talk about. So we are going to
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: have a state nominating convention. Were six hundred people, many
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: of whom they have not yet picked. Democrats will pick
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: between There are Chuck, I checked on this, there are seven.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Talk about a crowded field.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: There are seven Democrats running, including basically everyone who lost
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: the governor's race in Maine earlier this year. What do
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: you make of Let's talk about the democratic field first,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: and then let's.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Talk about Collins.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: The conventional wisdom right today seems to suggest that Troy Jackson,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: who is like a Sanders Platner kind of guy, liberal
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: former State Senate majority leader, that he's kind of the
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: leader in the clubhouse.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Senna Bellows, who has run against.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Susan College she got detroyed sixty eight, thirty one and
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, is securdary. State just got the endorsement of
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: this state rep. Who maybe Platner might have wanted to run.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: What do you make, like, can we handicap this race?
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Yet?
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: I know I'm with six hundred people deciding, heard about
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: a couple of other.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Candidates that may just pop up at the convention as
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: compromise choices, Like there's a couple that didn't end up
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: announcing yet who still could. Emily Kine is one who
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: was state. Well, she was, that's fella. She was the
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Democratic nominee before Jared Golden and lost a couple of times.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Polkland guy, Yes, yeah, but she would she was the
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Democratic nominee, and so you know, I've had that outline
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: to me is that she's sort of the compromise right,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: She's not Jared Colden. But she's not Grand Platiner.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: And she's not Troy Jackson, right and all of that.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: So it's hard. There's six hundred people voting.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I think it's a it's I was just going to say,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: this is going to be functionally a bit somewhat insidary.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I imagine it is going to be less ideological because
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: every buddies, you know, sort of talk about a version
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: of me too here, Yeah, I'm for this, I'm for this,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: I'm for this, right, me too, me too, me too,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: that's forgetting. Yeah, So it really is going to be
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: who's got more friends in the part infrastructure, you know who.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: And look, here's what I would say to my friends
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: in Maine, South Carolina. Really, you know you can you
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: can be you can do this if you wanted to
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: do a full, a full on primary. I guess I'm
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: glad this is not fully annoyted. I think it's certainly
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: better than the exception that you at least had to
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: do some sort of what I would call small d
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: democratic exercise. So in this case, it is gathering some
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: signatures and trying to win over people throughout the counties.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: It's not the perfect situation, but it's better than what
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: you know post Kamala Harris. Every state Democratic Party organization
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: has to operate this way, correct, So I think it's
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: hard to handicap. I certainly assume that the most passionate
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: progressive that is pragmatic about campaigning campaign politics ends up
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: with the nomination.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: I will, I totally agree. I think handicapping is a
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: six hundred person vote.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Is really really challenging. I will.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: I will note that Naravshaw, who led the governor's race
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: in the first ballot, but want from Megahan.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: I think it's a big problem. I got it well,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: he was.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: From Illinois because Tammy Tammy Duckworth, the senator from Illinois Democrat,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: bombed him out and said narov Sha shouldn't be anywhere
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: near the US Senate, which is fascinating. But I will
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: say just one thing about him. He is it shows
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: how this race works. He is asking people, not necessarily
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: at events, not to vote for him, but to sign
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: up to be a delegate for this nominating convention. Like
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: it's a very it's like a.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Caucus, but way smaller, like it's a remain. I was
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: just gonna say, it's gonna be hard for a super
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: outsider to do this, because they're going to have to
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: appeal to the type of person that's comfortable sort of
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: getting involved in party politics. Yep. And that's a different
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: type of person. And you know, as we've seen before,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: the outsider candidates find those people don't show up right.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: They have a harder time getting first timers to participate
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: in something like that. So you need so you're looking
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: for the super voter right, and those tend to be
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: more establishment ere night, Well, they're going to be establishment.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: They're certainly going to lean a little bit further to
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: the left than the average Democrat in May, and I
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: think that does matter. But they are that They're probably
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: not going to be DSA adjacent.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: No, there, there's going to be people who have been
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: involved in main lefty politics for a while, not people
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: who are I think that's right.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about Collins. I got this.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Question on Friday and I gave an answer, but I
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: want to hear your answer first, because I wasn't sure
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: about mine. Is Susan Collins today more or lesser about
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: the same as vulnerable as she was?
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Let's call it a month ago, when Platner was the nominee.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Or is it until you know who the Democratic nominee is,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: you can't say.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: It's hard to say a month ago now. I think
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: right after he got that nomination, I found her to
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: be I think she was more vulnerable then, or perceived it.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I agree she was more vulnerable then because you saw
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: a path for Platinner to be able to raise forty
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: to fifty million dollars. He had a little bit of
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: that national fundraising base. And it's really hard for a
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: thirty year incumbent to transform a race a change agent
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: on the challenge. Yeah, yeah, you know, But okay, Chuck,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: what about ten days? What about ten days ago? See?
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Then then I go with now and look the track record.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: This is where I think it's statistically insignificant. You can't
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: really if you really wanted to say, it's there's no
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: statistical evidence that's worth the ship to be able to
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: say that. Replacement candidates usually don't win. It's just there's
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: the sample is not big enough. It's just not I
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: and the circumstances to Chuck.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Oftentimes, replacement candidates are like a month before the election,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: somethings like.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Supper close, right, it's right, they're away. I kind of
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: think Platner is not even in the vocabulary come October,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I think so one.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: I kind of yes, go ahead, keep going, I I.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think Susan Collins is more vulnerable
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: right now than she was last week. I do too,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: And that was my answer a month ago.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Less more because if it's but if it's this air
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: pods as the Democratic nominee, Susan Collins might well lose,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: right like.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Graham Plattner was handing her was a chance to make
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: it a choice. It's the most critical point, yep. And
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: and you know now how she's got to sort of run,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, the about the best I'm trying
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: to think of, like with the angle I would take
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: if I were Collins, And I guess the best angle
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I would take is they want to turn this seat
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: into a partisan seat. One thing I've never done is
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: you're not you know, you've not always agreed with every
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: vote I've capt. Guess what neither does my party. And
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: it's probably her best asset and her biggest liability. Right,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: it's all rolled up into one. I guess that's how
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: I would lean into it if I were in her shoes. Yeah,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: that older electorate and that's how you do it.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Or you hope that whoever Democratic I feel like has
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: problems safe.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Do you remember Lincoln Chafe of course, so yeah, that's right,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Shelton white House, right, I mean a Loomis Chafe. You
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: went to the y family first. I know all the Chaffey,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: I know all the chaf Loomis and Lincoln and John
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: and John. It's all the same, the New England blue bloods,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: the all yes, and you know John Chafey and then
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: later his son Lincoln Chaffee. You know, it was like
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: the only Republican left. You know, when I first got
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: to watch Rhode Island for people wondering, believe it or not.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Rhode Island second, they had a congressional representative from the
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Republican Party. It was a woman and Claudine Schneider I
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: think was her name. I think that's right, good pull.
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: And.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: They recruited her to run for you know, the second
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: district has always been a little more Republican.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: That's the old Lands Surban district, right, slightly more Republican.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, anyway, but then all of a sudden the
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: state but there was always this the chaff East. No
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: matter what they did, you know, it was never going
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: to happen. And I remember going, you know, and this
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: was six and it was sort of like and this
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: cycle feels a little six, right, Whereas Susan Collins, Lincoln
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Chafeye and you know, Lincoln Lincoln Ship the Chafey name
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: was impossible to defeat in Rhode Island until it was
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: that's right, And like Susan Collins is impossible to you know,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: it's like there's a point where it just the gig
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: is up and in Rhode Island keeping that one seat Republican,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: it was like the gig is up right, and they
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: have come close to sniffelt Senate seat again. That's what. Yes,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I think we could look back and think that, yes,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: say that and it didn't matter. It could have been
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Sheldon Whitehouse. It could have been the only person that
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: probably couldn't win that race was Buddy like that would
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: have makes great, It makes great, Marinera, I totally.
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: Amazing to pay.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: I agree, And I will just share my favorite Lincoln
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Chafee fact. So he's the son of a senator to
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: the man are born right, John chafe who.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Was a sexual, working class roots right, he had this
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: is what you're getting to this is my favorite part
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: about it. They like it was sort of like, yeah,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: he was a working guy on something that only rich
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: people know about.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: He showed horses. That was his first shout out to
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Amy Walter. That's like Amy Walter's favorite factor ever link Chafe,
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: so son of a senator. He was on like the
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: horse racing circuit where he would shoe the thoroughbreds.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: He was a classic sort of scion, yes, j right,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: like searching for himself correct smoking which means smoking a
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: lot of pot oh. I think he was sporting his
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: way around that circuit as well, which he totally like
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: owned up to, like talked about like his you know.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: And and it goes to, look, I think this is
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: who Platner was, which is while Platner wasn't a rich,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: rich kid, he certainly was a privileged privileged absolutely always,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: you know. And and wow, by the way, the knives
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: are out those consultants, aren't they. I mean, oh, these
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Morris cats. I've read you know these I didn't realize
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: these are all basically nepo babies, All.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Neo babies, children babes who are person sitting in board
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: with politics.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: These are the body people that we've been dealing with
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: these these morons. It's unbelievable. It's sort of hilarious.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: I will I tell people this all the time because
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: people now are like, the Chuck are the ones.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: That are going to burn down the socialism, U, the capitalists.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: This, this will make Chuck look good, but it also
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: happens to be true. People ask me, oh, how's the
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: thing going with you and Chuck's we're doing a lot together,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: And I say, look, I'm going to tell you something
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: about Chuck. This is this is the most important thing
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: you need to know about them. And you've heard this before,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: but I'm gonna say it again. My wife and I
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: and Chuck all worked together. She was not my wife
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: at the time, but we all worked together at National
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Journal long time ago, and we did a thing where
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: we like cleaned up It was through National Journal. We
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: did a thing where we cleaned up the Anacostia like
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: a river, and basically after about twenty were also painting. Yes, yeah,
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: we were like doing a bunch of work. It was
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: like a community service podcast. And after about fifteen minutes,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: and Chuck was not Chuck then, he was just the.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Editor of the hotline.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, and after about fifteen minutes, most people started screwing
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: around and.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Not doing much.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: And you know, and again it makes me look good too,
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: but you know who was working me, Chuck and my
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: not even then girlfriend this I like people who don't
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: come from you can be.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Great, and come from money, you can. But Chuck became
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: Chuck because of Chuck's smarts and hard work and like, no,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: but that's the thing, And I'm.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Always skeptical of people who it's like, born on third
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: base situation doesn't mean you can't be great.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: George H. W. Bush w Bush came from I will
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: confess that as I've gotten older, I've I've gotten rid
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: of the chip, but I had to chip. Chip took
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: me too. Man, it tries you. You were in Connecticut,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: I was in Miami, and and what you end up
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: finding out is like a lot of you know, there
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: was this whole world that I.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Just wasn't We had no idea, No, I don't even
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: know it existed really, and you're just.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Like it was there was a part of it that
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: just you know, once you found out it existed, it
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: felt offensive, right, and you're like, why am I in
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: the outside looking in? Right? And now I guess you know.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Then you know, I really got my backup when my
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: son was like, you know, called a nefo baby, and
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: I was like, God, damn it, right, you know, And
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: I understand absolutely he's had an easier childhood than I
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: had my kids. Okay, so that is true. And by
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: the way, isn't that what we all try to do? Yes,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: But I always joke every generation says the same the
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: following two contradictory things. One, I want to make my
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: kid's life easier than mine was. And two, why is
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: it that this next generation was softer than mine? Because
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: I literally needed to make it easier, right, Like I
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: was literally saying that last night. You know, we do this,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: we do this, and it's like they talk about two
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: they totally contradicting each other. Yeah, it was don't go together.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: The society is advancing because it's our kids are softer.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: We've done our job, Like guess what, And I don't
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: have to do the woodworking that that my you know,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: grandfather had to do. And totally you know, but it
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: does stuff. It does. It does make you suspicious of
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: these people, Like.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: I always say that Graham Plattner's one oyster Farming client
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: was his mom's restaurant.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he went to He went to Hotchkiss as a
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Luma's Chafey school care. Trust me, his family had money, right.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: What I hate about that whole thing is is how
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: much I mean this like, I feel like oyster farmer
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: was some sort of like hypnotic totally. He's not a politician.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: He's an oyster farmer who the no one knows what
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: that is? The hell did that mean? I mean, you
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: have estuaries? I know what it means down here. I
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: love roy oysters. I know I'm gonna die one day
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: from eating one because I'm the moro on that insists
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: I'm still liking raways, not you, and you know that's
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: going to be me.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: And take the Florida out of the boy, but not
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: the boy, A boy out of Florida, not the floid
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: out of the boy.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: I don't have them when there's no R in the month,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: trust me, I'm not that stupid. But you know, estuaries
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: or you know, I guess did he how many did
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: he have? You know? Was he a lobsterman? Which we
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: know what that is? And mean I am mad at
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: all of my colleagues on this, all of our colleagues
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: in general, that we didn't ask for more information. Yeah,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: what is it? What is he to do for a job?
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Tell us more about it. What would you say you
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: do here? What would you say you kind of do here? Exactly?
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: What put the estuary in? Do you have a permit
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: from the state, Like, do you have a boat? Do
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: you go out and form the whole program here in Florida?
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Because they've been trying to make Florida oysters great again,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: and we've been having these like you can get I
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: think I think you can get a permit easier than
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: ever at the moment because they're trying to restore these
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: oyster estuaries. Thank you, Governor Rohn DeSantis.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: But yes, okay, last thing. Now, by the time this posts,
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: this will be over. But this conversation doesn't have to
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: do with the specifics. The home run derby is tonight
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: in baseball. And by the way, no, we're not gonna
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: talk about the Nationals and then blowing three leads against
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: the later.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: I'm going I can't hurt it hurts too much. No, no, no, no,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna associate myself with the remarks that are that
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: the captain of the NAT's Twitter feed because he is
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: the captain. Captain Tony, He's the captain of our Twitter feed.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: He's the best sport star he is. He spent twenty
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: minutes on his podcast on Monday morning expressing all of
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: our collectives. Yes, just listen. He's what's speaking of all true.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: I just will sign just the Bible, as they say
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: in Congress, I will associate myself with the gentleman from
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: binghamton uh and the remarks he made on.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: The next mister Tony porthauser agreed go listen to his
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: podcast all right, home run Derby, Chuck, I I heard
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: this today and I didn't know this. Now again, it
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: will be over and the reviews will be in, but
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: I want to get us on the record.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: They are going away from the you've got.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: Two minutes to hit as many home runs as possible.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Now they're saying, you get whatever, twenty swings.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: That's a good thing. I find the home run.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Derby far less appealing than I did fifteen years ago.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Am I am I? What do you do you like
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: the home run Derby? I will go another level. Then.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: My wife and I were having this discussion on Monday
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: about it. She was like, you know what your you know, Look,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: we're we're on sort of half half cash, meaning like
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: we in Florida.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: Chucky is in Florida for people who don't know right now, right,
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: it's just it's just you know, me and the miss
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: is something nesting in up.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: You know, there's no pas. See you're watching all the
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: good shows on TV. That's what we're doing, right. We
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: have the stars sitting in the agency. Oh god, is
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: the agency fantastic? Are you and our friends and neighbors
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: person or not? Yeah? We did it, We liked it.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Did you like Widows Bay? I haven't done so I
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: think you should check that out.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: You would like it Apple TV Plus And again they
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: are not sponsoring us or anything.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: But anyway, not yet. Oh I see where you're headed.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: She wants to know if we need to block out
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: the right to watch that. You're like, what's your what's your?
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: And I said, well, I'll be Look, I'm going to
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: be curious to on Netflix handles the broadcast right business
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: is there? You know? I really I find the the
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: big event mindset of Netflix to probably be an interesting
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: counter and like.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: The mechanics of a live event when it's on streaming
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: we are enough TV digital nerds to watch.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna see that. And I like this new format
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: because I do think the reason we saw usually have
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: like two guys that go through the home on derby
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: that goes in an immediate slump, and I think it's
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: because they overswing and are rushing their swings to try
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: to compete in the in the derby, and I think
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: they just they do screw up their swing. Yep. So
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: this may be mate, this change in format where it's
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: no longer we're not swinging at everything. It's just you
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: get twenty swings. Yep. You know, take your time. But
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: she was and I said, you know, when I was
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: a kid, I oh love the All Star. I couldn't
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: love it more. And I you know, So the question
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: I have is it because you know, I you know,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: I tell you my routine every morning. First thing I
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: do in the morning when I get out of bed
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: is I turn on the MLB app It's called rundown.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: And what and what they do is you get it's
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: a highlight of every game from the night before, three
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: minutes per game.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: So and I know you're a big You're a big,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: bigginning guy too.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: I know on Mlbright as soon as the Nats game
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: is over, at the Beginning is on, I go to Beginning. Look,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: I'm a fantasy guy and I have my sports card
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: side hustle, so I want to know we are the
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: biggest nerds. It's just you know, it's it is I
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: will raise you. I will raise you in the nerd.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: So you know, I turn that on and you know,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: and I want to see. So the point is it
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: used to be you tuned into the All Star Game
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: to see guys. You hadn't been able to see all.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Of course, because you could only see the people in
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: your region. That's gone.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: And it was pre Interleague, right, so then it was like, man,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: I cannot wait to see schoolbl versus Otani. Right, that
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: would have been well, I would have never seen attack.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: And I remember, I'll even I'll just go a generation
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: ago had Ao Nomo. You know, I think struck out
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Ken Griffy Junior, Manny Ramirez and somebody else, David Ortiz
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: or something. And I remember thinking, man that it was
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: like in the All School It's just sort of like cool,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: they all were going up there. You know, I think
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: that happened, you know, some form of that or Randy
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Johnson famously trying to he throws it behind. John Crusch
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: goes there and he's like, man, I'm out, you know so,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: And I think because now we see the interleague all
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: the time, I see, you know, I'm able to see
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: all the highlights every day. You know. Forget Baseball tonight,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: which there was a point in time that I love that.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: That was the most important show in my evening. Now
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: for me, it's just the MLB apps rundown, and it's just,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: you know, I gotta do that. I got to do
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: other stuff, you know, while it's going on, like work
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: out whatever. Right, I'll work out, you know, right, you
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: but it's a way to just sort of follow what's
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: going on. So I will say this. I loved going
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: to all the All Star festivities when it was in DC. Yes,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: me too. I went to the home run Derby. It
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: was great. Yep, my I you know, I played guy
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: with access and got my kid to be that's right,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: because you had season tickets. Yeah, Dag flies in the
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: home run Derby that I didn't know he did that.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: That's so hard. For one, he never got to any
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: but you know, he was one of the kids that
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: got to go in and out and it's just a
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: memory of a lifetime awesome. And I remember the game
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: itself was like, yeah, yeah, you just after the first
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: couple of innings when you see because I've always thought
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: this way about the All Star Game. I'm always wanting
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: to see the big pitch power pitcher versus some of
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: the big power hitters. But by inning six, it's only
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: the first couple of innings, right then, then you know,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: you're less interested. I think that it's time for baseball
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: to do to do Country of Origin WBC or alternatively,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: do you do the WBS Do you create a two
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: week all start break and like hockey and do the
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: w b C in Dura in the month of July.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: You said, I would love that you go start fourth
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: of July and you go fourth of July through the
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: you know, and there's just a break weeks and it's
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: you know, I boy, there's you don't have to do
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: it every year. But maybe because the WBC. I loved
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: it and.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: It was great that was this year, Yes, and players
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: were into it real the good players for the most
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: part played not everybody, but yeah.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: But I'd like to see that that factored in here Look,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: the players just want to break, They just want to vacation. Yep. Right.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: In fact, some of these guys show Hay's like, yeah,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: I tweaked a pinky I totally today, don't worry. But
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: you know what schemes, I'm gonna take a take it
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: a five day vacations, right, do you blame them? Right?
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: They've done this. It's a brutal sport. It's a brutal sport.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: I think the home run derby is far then. For example,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: the NBA dunk Contest, which was when I was a
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: kid and when you were a kid, was a massive event,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: and now suns and now.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: It's a three point contest more interesting than that. It's
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: more interesting than the dunk contest.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: Still, but man, I just I'm not like scrambling to
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: get home to see it.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: Look, which which you've sort of you know, seamhead self here.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: But I'm a huge fan of the Futures Game. I
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: watched it thing. Yeah, I'm a huge fan of it.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: Eli Willi's national's prospect let off. I love that he
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: got the fact that he was already in it. I know,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: I feel really good about that draft pick. That doesn't
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: you know, because remember Elijah Green. Yeah me too.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you don't, and we do, but nobody else
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: does because he's basically add a baseball yeah right, is
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: he still is?
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: He in the minors and he's not doing them. He's
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: like doing fine. But it's kind of I think like
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: what happened with Hassle, Like we got a million of
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: those guys, I know, and they just kind of once
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: you use the buzz you lose.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: That hassle, right, And it's like politics once you're not
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: the buzzy person anymore. That's why that's why people run
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: a bunch of times in a row. Anyways, You never know,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: you never know when your window closed.
• 1:05:53
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• 1:05:55
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