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What we know about Luigi Mangione and UnitedHealthcare CEO's killing · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: All right, so you want to get up to speed
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  on this whole Luigi Mangoni.
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  Speaker 2: Case, Buckle up, it's a wild one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. We've got news articles, court documents, social media posts
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  like the whole nine yards.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of information to sift through exactly. So we'll
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  try to make sense of it all starting with like
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  the basics. Okay, you know who's man Jenny, what exactly happened,
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  and then we can kind of get into the why.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the why is definitely a big one here, huge.
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  So let's start with the victim in this case, Brian.
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  Speaker 2: Thompson, right, CEO of United Healthcare.
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  Speaker 1: Big name, sadly shot and killed in New York City.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, middle of the day, broad daylight, midtown Manhattan. Wow,
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  someone rides up on a bicycle, shoots him multiple times,
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  Oh my gosh, takes off into Central.
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  Speaker 1: Park just like that.
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  Speaker 2: And get this, they used a ghost gun.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard that term ghost gun. Yeah, can you remind
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  me what exactly that means?
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  Speaker 2: So basically, it's a firearm that's like privately assembled. Okay,
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  no serial number.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, so makes it so much harder.
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  Speaker 2: Mayre for law enforcement.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so where do they even begin with an investigation?
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  Like this.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, talk about starting from scratch, right, They had
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  to be incredibly meticulous. I can imagine every little detail. Okay,
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  fingerprints on a water bottle, they found a protein bar
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  near the scene. Really, a dropped cell phone? Wow, they
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  got hundreds of tips pouring in through crime stoppers.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing. What can be like a clue?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you never know what's going to break a
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  case like this wide open, So it.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds like they're chasing a ghost literally and figuratively.
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  Speaker 2: Oh good one.
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  Speaker 1: But eventually they get a tip that leads them to
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  Mangenny McDonald's of all places, right Altoona, Pennsylvania. Yep, tell
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  me about that.
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  Speaker 2: So picture this man, Jenny's just sitting there on his
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  laptop and a customer recognizes him from the news reports.
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  No Way calls the cops. Police show up, find him
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  with get this fake IDs?
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  Speaker 1: Oh oh, one of.
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  Speaker 2: Them even matches the suspects description from before the shooting.
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  Speaker 1: So they're already like connecting the dots.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and wait there's more.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what else did they find?
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  Speaker 2: You guessed it? A ghost gun way matching the one
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  used to kill Thompson.
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  Speaker 1: So case closed, right, Well, not.
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  Speaker 2: So fast, here's where it gets really interesting. At first,
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  man Joni seems cooperative, even admits to lying about his identity,
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  but then all of a sudden he clams.
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  Speaker 1: Up, like completely shuts down totally.
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  Speaker 2: He's been in maximum security ever since, refusing to talk
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  to investigators.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, so we've got the who, We've got the what. Yeah,
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  now the big question is why.
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  Speaker 2: The million dollar question.
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  Speaker 1: What do we know about the Luigi man Janey that
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  might explain what happened?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the NYPD thinks Mannioni was harboring some serious resentment
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  towards the healthcare industry. Really, it all stems from a
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  back injury he got on July fourth. Oh wow, a
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  bad one. Needed screws in his spine and everything.
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  Speaker 1: That's awful.
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  Speaker 2: He's all over social media talking about the pain, even
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  using an X ray as his background image.
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  Speaker 1: I remember seeing that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And some orthopedis even commented thinks it shows spondy
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  lolis thesis.
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  Speaker 1: That's where one of the vertebrate like slips out of
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  place right exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And min Jenny had even posted about that specific condition online.
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  Speaker 1: So they're looking at that as like a possible piece
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  of the puzzle.
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  Speaker 2: One piece.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, did they find anything else when they arrested him,
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  anything that might point to a motive.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, they found a notebook, okay, filled with these
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  handwritten rants, rants about what oh all about corporate America,
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  especially the healthcare industry, accusing them of being greedy, putting
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  profits over people like him who are suffering.
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  Speaker 1: Almost sounds like what's his name, the nabomber Ted Kasyinski? Yeah,
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  Ted Kitsinski.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there are definitely some parallels there, But is it
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  really fair to compare the two? You're right, we have
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  to be careful about making those kinds of leaps. Yeah,
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  I mean, just because someone criticizes corporations doesn't make them
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  a terrorist exactly. And officials haven't found any specific threats
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  in what Manjoni wrote.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so nothing concrete yet.
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  Speaker 2: But there are some, you know, chilling details. Well. For example,
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  Mangini gave Kasinski's manifesto a four star review on Goodreads.
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  Speaker 1: WHOA, that's that's a little unsettling.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely raises some eyebrows.
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  Speaker 1: So this guy, man Janey, he doesn't exactly fit the
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  typical profile of a violent criminal, does he not?
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  Speaker 2: Really? No? On paper, he seems like he had a
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  lot going for him. Yeah, valedictorian of his high school. Wow,
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  degrees in computer science from you pen impressive. Even spent
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  some time at Stanford.
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  Speaker 1: So a pretty successful tech career.
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  Speaker 2: He was a data engineer at Truecar and he was
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  also involved in video game development.
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  Speaker 1: So not exactly someone you'd picture, you know, going down.
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  Speaker 2: This road, right, but there are these hints of a
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  maybe a darker side, okay, like what Well, he lived
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  for a while at this co living community in Honolulu
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  called Surf Break.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Friends from that time describe as a gentleman, but they
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  also talk about his chronic pain.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we know he was dealing with that back injury,
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  and it.
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  Speaker 2: Seems like it really took a toll on him. He
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  would disappear for months at a time when it flared up.
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  Speaker 1: So he was struggling, but also trying to connect with.
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  Speaker 2: People, trying. Yeah he even started a book club. Really,
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  but then it sounds like he kind of pushed people
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  away with his uh interesting book choices.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of books are we talking about here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's just say they weren't exactly light reading.
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  Speaker 1: Oh so maybe those book choices were a sign of
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  something deeper going on. It's possible, it's almost like we're
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  seeing two completely different versions of this guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what makes it so fascinating and so confusing, right.
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  Speaker 1: Like, on one hand, you've got the brilliant tech whiz,
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  successful from a good family, yep. But then you've got
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  this other side, the isolation, the anger, the fascination with
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  the unabomber exactly.
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  Speaker 2: So the question is what caused this shift?
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  Speaker 1: Was it the pain, was it something else.
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  Speaker 2: We're still trying to figure that out.
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  Speaker 1: And to make things even more complicated, he comes from
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  a pretty prominent family in Maryland.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, big time.
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  Speaker 1: Country clubs, health care facilities, real estate, the whole nine yards.
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  Speaker 2: His cousin's even a state delegate.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, so this is not your average, you know, criminal background,
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  not at all. And his families released a statement they're
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  obviously shocked, offering prayers for everyone involved, understandably so seems
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  like they're just as baffled as everyone else about what
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  might have led him down this pass.
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  Speaker 2: It's a real head scratcher.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we've got this like really complex portrait emerging,
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  but it still feels like we're missing some pieces of
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  the puzzle.
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  Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely, we're just getting started.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So where do we go from here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, next, you've got to dive into the legal side
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  of things.
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  Speaker 1: Right, let's do it.
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  Speaker 2: What charges man Joni facing, what happens next? All that
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  good stuff, Okay, let's get into it. Well, in Pennsylvania,
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  he's looking at firearms violations, possessing instruments of crime, using
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  fake IDs.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, pretty standard stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the real hammer is going to come down.
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  In New York. Oh yeah, they're going for murder in
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  the first degree in furtherance of terrorism.
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  Speaker 1: WHOA, that's a that's a big one. Yeah, that seems
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  kind of usual for a case like this, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, it is pretty unusual.
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  Speaker 1: So what does that even mean?
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  Speaker 2: Like? Legally, so in New York, that charge is usually
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  reserved for cases where someone kills a law enforcement officer, right,
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  but it can also be used in situations where the
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  act was intended to, you know, intimidate or coerce the
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  government or the civilian population.
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  Speaker 1: So basically they're saying that by targeting this CEO.
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  Speaker 2: Right, someone who's seen as a symbol of corporate power. Okay,
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  and then you add in all of man Junior's writings
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  about corporate America.
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  Speaker 1: Right, that whole anti establishment thing exactly.
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  Speaker 2: The prosecution's going to argue that it all fits that
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  definition of terrorism, So.
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  Speaker 1: They're trying to establish a link between his actions and
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  this like broader political motive exactly. But didn't man Jinny's
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  lawyer push back on some of the charges he did?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: What he say?
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  Speaker 2: Well, here U that the state hasn't officially filed second degree.
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  Speaker 1: Murder charges mm, interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Which you know, could suggest that they're maybe having some
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  trouble you know, solidifying their.
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  Speaker 1: Case, right because they have to prove guilt beyond a reasonable.
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  Speaker 2: Doubt exactly, and that's a high bar to clear.
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  Speaker 1: So what evidence do they even have to work with.
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  Speaker 2: We've got the fingerprints, the ghost gun, the notebook. Is
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  that enough for a conviction? It's hard to say, you
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  know that the physical evidence is pretty damning for sure,
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  But they've got to connect all that to Manjoni's.
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  Speaker 1: Intent, right, like what was going on in his head exactly.
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  Speaker 2: So they're going to lean heavily on his writings, his
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  social media posts, any witness testimony they can get to
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  try and build a picture of a guy who was
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  driven by you know, anger, rage, a desire to get
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  back at the system.
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  Speaker 1: So the social media posts, anything specific come up in
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  those Well.
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  Speaker 2: In the months leading up to his arrest, his friends
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  were posting on x okay saying they hadn't heard from him,
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  worried about him, Like he just disappeared, Like he vanished
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  into this you know, digital echo chamber.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about his isolation, that struggles with pain.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and this could be a sign of him, you know,
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  withdrawing even further. Yeah, maybe becoming even more susceptible to
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  like extremist ideas online.
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  Speaker 1: So social media is going to be a key part
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  of understanding his state of minds for sure. What about
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  that co living space in Honolulu surf Break, Yeah, could
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  that give us any clues?
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  Speaker 2: It might. It's interesting that even in a communal living
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  environment right where you're surrounded by people, he would still
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  disappear for long stretches, especially when his pain was acting
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  up and he did crave connection.
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  Speaker 1: You know, starting that book club, right.
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  Speaker 2: But then he'd kind of pushed people away with those.
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  Speaker 1: Well unsettling book choices.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just say that.
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  Speaker 1: It's like he wanted to connect but then well.
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  Speaker 2: Then push people away. Yeah, almost like he was testing them.
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  Speaker 1: So we've got this really complex almost contradictory picture of
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  this guy totally on one hand, super smart, accomplished from
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  a good family, and then on the other isolated, angry,
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  obsessed with the nabomber.
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  Speaker 2: It's a tough one to wrap your head around.
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  Speaker 1: And I bet the defense is going to seize on that.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Oh, absolutely, they're going to argue that Mangoni's writings
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  were just you know.
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  Speaker 1: The ramblings of a frustrated.
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  Speaker 2: Guy, Yeah, someone battling chronic pain, not some like master
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  plan for violence.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: They'll probably highlight his lack of a criminal record, his
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  family support, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Paid him as a good kid who made a mistake exactly.
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  So it's going to come down to how the jury
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  interprets all of this.
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  Speaker 2: Like what story are they going to buy?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think they'll go for that? Defense?
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  Speaker 2: Tough to say, you know, every jury's different. True, This
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  is the kind of case that could come down to
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  the tiniest detail, really, like how a single word is interpreted,
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  a witness's credibility.
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  Speaker 1: It's all going to imagine.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's the whole on a bomber thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big one.
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  Speaker 2: Even though there aren't any specific threats in Mangoni's writing, right,
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  the prosecution might still use that interest in because Sinski.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of suggest he was on that path.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like he was prone to extremist ideologies.
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  Speaker 1: It feels risky, like that could backfire.
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  Speaker 2: It could if the jury sees it as a cheap shot.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Like they're trying to demonize him without real proof.
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  Speaker 2: It's a fine line they're walking.
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  Speaker 1: So how do you think they're going to play this.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they're going to have to present their cases in
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  a way that resonates with the jury, okay, but also
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  doesn't alienate them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta strike that balance.
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  Speaker 2: It's a delicate dance.
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  Speaker 1: So going back to that arrest at McDonald's.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, talk about dramatic.
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  Speaker 1: Customer recognizes him, the place goes on lockdown. Is like
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  something out of a movie, It really is.
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  Speaker 2: And what's wild is that even with all our fancy.
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  Speaker 1: Technology, right facial recognition, surveillance camera, it.
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  Speaker 2: Was a regular person just paying.
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  Speaker 1: Attention, old fashioned observation that.
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  Speaker 2: Cracked the case wide open.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Time, right, And remember he had the fake IDs, the
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  loaded gun, the notebook.
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  Speaker 1: Like he was carrying his whole world in that backpack.
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  Speaker 2: And how about that. He's cooperating at first, admits to
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  lying right then as it all sinks in, he clams up,
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  totally shuts down, like.
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  Speaker 1: He suddenly realized the gravity of the situation, the.
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  Speaker 2: Weight of what he'd done, the potential consequences.
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  Speaker 1: Or maybe he's just playing for time, could.
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  Speaker 2: Be trying to figure out his next move.
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  Speaker 1: Either way, it just adds another layer to this whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: Right, he's charming, he's deceptive, a real enigma, and both
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  sides are going to try to use that to their advantage.
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  Speaker 1: So with this incredibly complex picture of Luigi I Manjeney.
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  Speaker 2: It's a lot to unpack.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think the jury's going to focus on?
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  Speaker 2: What's going to be the deciding factor? I mean, it's
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  really tough to say for sure. Every jury is different.
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  They're going to be looking at everything, right, the physical evidence,
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  man Genie's writings, what people who knew him have to say, right,
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  how he acts in court, all of.
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  Speaker 1: It, it's all going to factor in.
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  Speaker 2: This could be one of those trials that comes down
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  to like the smallest thing, a single word, someone's body language.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: And then you got the whole unabomber comparison looming over everything, right, Right,
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  will the jury see that as a legitimate connection or
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  just a way to you know, to make him look
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  bad exactly like they're trying to unfairly prejudice them against Mangenie. Yeah,
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  it's a risky move for both sides. The prosecution can't
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  overdo it and the defense they got to humanized Mangione somehow,
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  but without like condoning what he supposedly did.
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  Speaker 1: Right, That's a tough needle to thread.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what's really fascinating about this case is that, Yeah,
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  it goes way beyond just one guy's alleged crimes. We mean,
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  it's forcing us to have this bigger conversation about healthcare,
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  corporate power, how individual anger can turn into violence a lot.
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  It's a reflection of all the anxiety and tension we
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  see in society today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that.
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  Speaker 2: Like we're drowning in information, right, but we still can't
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  answer some pretty basic questions. What pushes someone to do
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  something so drastic? What are the red flags? And how
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  do we create a world where people feel heard, supported, right,
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  so that these kinds of tragedies don't happen.
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  Speaker 1: That's a tall order, is it really is? This whole
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  case has been like peeling an.
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  Speaker 2: Onion, layers upon layers.
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  Speaker 1: Every time we learn something new.
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  Speaker 2: More questions pop up, and sometimes the most important answers
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  those are the hardest to find, It's true, but that's
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  why we do what we.
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  Speaker 1: Do, to try and make sense of the messy stuff.
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  Speaker 2: To get people thinking critically, yeah, and to remind everyone
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  that there's always more to learn.
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  Speaker 1: Well said, So as we wrap up this deep dive
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  into the Luigi Man Johnny case, not to think about
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  we're left with more questions than answers.
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  Speaker 2: That's how it goes sometimes, But.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's the point. This case is a reminder
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  that justice is an ongoing thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's a process, a.
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  Speaker 1: Conversation we have to keep having even when it's tough. Yeah,
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  even when it makes us uncomfortable, challenges what we think
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  we know.
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  Speaker 2: Because real justice isn't just about you know, punishing someone,
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  It's about something bigger, creating a world where everyone.
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  Speaker 1: Has a chance to thrive, to be heard.
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  Speaker 2: Where problems are solved before they turn violent.
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  Speaker 1: Powerful stuff. So to everyone listening, stay curious, stay engaged,
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  keep asking those tough questions.
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  Speaker 2: This case is far from over.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to keep unfolding in the courtroom and.
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  Speaker 2: Beyond, and as it does, let's use it as a
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  chance to learn, to grow, and to work towards a
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  better future, a.
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  Speaker 1: Future where these kinds of tragedies are less and less common.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's about all the time we have for today.
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  Time flies, thanks for joining us on this deep dive.
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  Speaker 2: Until next time.
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  Speaker 1: This is the Deep Dive signing off.