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Tech Talk with Carmi Levy · Kvetch & Release

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Speaker 1: I don't know too, and so.
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Speaker 2: Speak here a little bit of One Republic coming in
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Speaker 2: from the commercial break. There. Hope you're all doing well.
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Speaker 2: As I said just before the break, I love geeking
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Speaker 2: out and getting to talk about tech, and there is
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Speaker 2: no lack of tech stories to talk about these days.
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Speaker 2: Things continue to advance. It feels more like we're living
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Speaker 2: in that futuristic tech future that we were promised years
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Speaker 2: ago than ever before. These stories are, let me tell you,
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Speaker 2: they're feeling like they are futuristic. Joining me right now
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Speaker 2: to talk is CTV technology analyst and journalist Carmie Levy.
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Speaker 2: How you doing.
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Speaker 1: I am great, John, even better now that I'm with you.
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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having me on.
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Speaker 2: Oh, thanks so much for joining me. You send over
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Speaker 2: a list of stories. I wish that we could do
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Speaker 2: all twelve of them, quite frankly. Yeah, And the amount
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Speaker 2: of work that you do on a weekly basis finding
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Speaker 2: these stories, sourcing them, learning them, it blows me away.
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Speaker 2: But I had to go and try, like I had
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Speaker 2: to whittle this down to just the three that I
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Speaker 2: found to be the most interesting, which was very hard
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Speaker 2: to do. But let's talk a little bit about Polaris
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Speaker 2: down and why this could be the most risky private
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Speaker 2: space flight yet but also the most ambitious.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is really cool. This is this
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Speaker 1: is not a NASA flight, This is a privately funded
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Speaker 1: commercial flight. So there's this guy, Jared Isaacman. He's a billionaire.
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Speaker 1: He found that a payment processing company called Shift four,
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Speaker 1: and so he's worth a huge amount of money, has
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Speaker 1: his own fleet of fighter jets. He slies his own
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Speaker 1: MiG twenty nine. This guy has lived the life modern
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Speaker 1: day renaissance man. He's already been to space. He paid
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Speaker 1: a huge amount of money to Elon Musk's SpaceX a
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Speaker 1: few years back, twenty twenty one, he launched on a
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Speaker 1: flight called Inspiration four, and that was he selected three
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Speaker 1: other people, also amateur astronauts, not NASA astronauts, and the
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Speaker 1: goal was to raise a huge amount of money for
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Speaker 1: the Saint Jude Children's Research Hospital in the US. In
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Speaker 1: the end they raised a quarter of a billion dollars
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Speaker 1: and it was the most high profile private space flight
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Speaker 1: in history. Really cool stuff. And he's followed that up
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Speaker 1: with not one, but three flights. It's a program, it's
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Speaker 1: called the Polaris program, and this is going to be
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Speaker 1: the first flight of it, known as Polaris Dawn, also
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Speaker 1: going to be on a Falcon nine rocket with a
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Speaker 1: crew dragon on top of it. So we know the hardware,
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Speaker 1: but this is going to be doing some cool stuff
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Speaker 1: that has not been done in decades. They are going
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Speaker 1: to fly higher than any humans have gone since Apollo seventeen.
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Speaker 1: They're going to orbit at fourteen hundred kilometers above the Earth.
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Speaker 1: So just to put it in perspective, the International Space
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Speaker 1: Station flies at four hundred kilometers above the Earth, so
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Speaker 1: three and a half times as high as the ISS
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Speaker 1: and just to kind of test it out, and the
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Speaker 1: reason that height was chosen, that's where the Van Allen Belts,
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Speaker 1: the radiation belts begin, and that's a very high radiation
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Speaker 1: zone in space, super dangerous. When Apollo flew they flew
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Speaker 1: through it on the way to and from the Moon,
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Speaker 1: they didn't actually orbit there. So this Plower's Dawn is
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Speaker 1: going to stay in those belts for a little while.
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Speaker 1: It's going to test the hardware, it's going to test
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Speaker 1: human's ability to withstand radiation. They're going to do a
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Speaker 1: bunch of experiments. Then then it gets even cooler. They're
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Speaker 1: going to lower their orbit to seven hundred kilometers and
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Speaker 1: then they're going to open the door. There's no airlock
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Speaker 1: on this thing. This is not like the ISS, so
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Speaker 1: they're going to have to All four of the astronauts
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Speaker 1: on board. They're going to be wearing new SpaceX spacesuits
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Speaker 1: that are designed to be in space. Two of them,
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Speaker 1: Jared and one of the other astronauts, are going to
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Speaker 1: go outside of the capsule. The other two are going
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Speaker 1: to stay inside, but the whole thing's going to be
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Speaker 1: depressurized because again no airlock, going to do a bunch
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Speaker 1: of experiments and then close it up and try it again.
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Speaker 1: So it's the riskiest spacewalk we've probably ever seen in
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Speaker 1: our lives. And then they're going to continue doing a
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Speaker 1: bunch more experiments before they come back to Earth. So
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Speaker 1: beyond cool, I mean, this is you know, we tend
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Speaker 1: to not pay attention to space until something really bad happens.
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Speaker 1: This is one of those things where they're pushing the
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Speaker 1: bounds of both themselves and their hardware trying to figure
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Speaker 1: out how to operate in space. They figure, we're going
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Speaker 1: to be working on the Moon, working on Mars, We're
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Speaker 1: going to learn how It's missions like this that are
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Speaker 1: going to set the tone, and they really do sort
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Speaker 1: of push the bounds of what we think is possible
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Speaker 1: in space. And I mean, I watch space missions because
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Speaker 1: I'm interested, But this, frankly is if you're going to
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Speaker 1: pick one this year to sit down and watch the launch,
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Speaker 1: make it this one, because cool stuff's going to happen
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Speaker 1: high above.
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Speaker 2: So are we going to be able to see from
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Speaker 2: their point of view? Are they going to be broadcasting
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Speaker 2: stuff from inside the capsule or outside of it?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? My understanding is they have equipped this capsule with
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Speaker 1: go pros to bear, so they are going to have
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Speaker 1: go pros on the nose of the capsules, so the
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Speaker 1: nose of the capsule is going to kind of pop open,
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Speaker 1: and so they'll have cameras there. They'll have cameras on
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Speaker 1: the astronaut space suits, so you'll have like a first
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Speaker 1: person perspective. They'll have cameras elsewhere on the outside of
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Speaker 1: the capsule as well as inside the capsule. So, you know,
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Speaker 1: and if I remember correctly, because I remember when Inspiration
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Speaker 1: four flew, you know, I was pretty fascinated by it,
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Speaker 1: so of course I followed it pretty closely. They had
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Speaker 1: lots of cameras up there as well, and they didn't
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Speaker 1: even do a space walk, so I would expect they're
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Speaker 1: going to raise their their media game even higher this time,
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Speaker 1: and they're going to be producing some pretty slick videos
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Speaker 1: and live streams direct from orbit. So yeah, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: be able to see it. They're promising a live stream,
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Speaker 1: and they're also promising produced videos afterward, as is tradition
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Speaker 1: with SpaceX. So you know, pro tip, they produced the
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Speaker 1: coolest space videos ever, so you'll definitely want to be
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Speaker 1: watching this one. There'll be lots of cameras pointing at it.
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Speaker 2: Very cool stuff. Okay, let's move along and we'll go
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Speaker 2: from outer space to as internal as we can get
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Speaker 2: in our own bodies, right up at the top, to
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Speaker 2: our brains. Elon Musk has this Neural Link company. I
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Speaker 2: don't know if I would go putting a brain implant in,
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Speaker 2: but apparently they're getting better with their tech.
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Speaker 1: They are, so they have the it's called a Brain
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Speaker 1: computer Interface or BCEI, and Neuralink, of course, is the
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Speaker 1: company that produces and BCIs it's it's Elon Musky is
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Speaker 1: the CEO, and they had their first implant last year.
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Speaker 1: The guy actually it was successful he was able to
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Speaker 1: use his brain computer implant to play chess, play other
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Speaker 1: video games, to control a mouse, control a pointer on
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Speaker 1: a screen. So it is successful, and it has been
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Speaker 1: The technology has succeeded so far, no ill effects, the
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Speaker 1: guy is still alive, it's still working. And of course,
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Speaker 1: you know, he was a quadriplegic. He suffered a very
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Speaker 1: serious accident years ago, has no control of his hands
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Speaker 1: and arms, and this technology allows him to do things
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Speaker 1: he wouldn't otherwise be able to do. It's revolutionary technology. However,
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Speaker 1: there were some problems that they noticed in the first case.
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Speaker 1: Then the way it works is they take like a
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Speaker 1: tiny little box and that's the technology, and it has
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Speaker 1: a bunch of filaments in it that they then sort
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Speaker 1: of implant in the brain almost like tiny little wires
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Speaker 1: that sort of carry the electrical signals to and from
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Speaker 1: the brain to this electronic device. And they found that
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Speaker 1: in the first patient, a number of them they retracted,
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Speaker 1: they were no longer connected. So in this second patient,
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Speaker 1: which has now had the implant as well, they're saying
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Speaker 1: that they're using new technologies to make sure that there
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Speaker 1: will be less or no retraction, and so far they're
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Speaker 1: showing good signs of that that it's performing better than
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Speaker 1: the first one, and interestingly the first patient. They've also
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Speaker 1: updated the software because you can remotely fit the software
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Speaker 1: on these things, and they're saying that even though some
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Speaker 1: of those filaments have attracted, they change the algorithms so
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Speaker 1: that performance is still where it needs to be. He's
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Speaker 1: still able to benefit from this technology, so they haven't
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Speaker 1: had to go back into his head. It's still working.
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Speaker 1: So you know, they're going from patients patients. They're saying
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Speaker 1: they're trying to identify more patients to conduct these human
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Speaker 1: trials on. It is FDA approved, so this is all
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Speaker 1: being done with federal authorities watching this is this is
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Speaker 1: all on the up and up. But they are moving
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Speaker 1: ahead very aggressively because these early experiments have shown that
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Speaker 1: the technology works, it's safe, and that even when they
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Speaker 1: run into problems they're able to figure out either with
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Speaker 1: new designs or with new software. So very cool, very promising.
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Speaker 1: So folks who are who may have suffered power you know,
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Speaker 1: who are powerprilegic, quadriplegic, suffering from Parkinson's als if they
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Speaker 1: can't speak or move, this is technology that can be
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Speaker 1: absolutely life changing and we're kind of making it work
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Speaker 1: now in these two patients.
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Speaker 2: So I understand that this could revolutionary if it helps,
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Speaker 2: you know, quadripolegics be able to regain the ability to
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Speaker 2: operate the way that they had prior. I've heard Elon
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Speaker 2: Musk though, describe this technology as for, you know, potentially
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Speaker 2: in the future, someone like you or me who doesn't
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Speaker 2: have those mobility issues, and that it could turn us
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Speaker 2: into a potential I think he used the word superhero
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Speaker 2: maybe is how he described it. Making our brains work harder, faster,
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Speaker 2: stronger better. What are some of the more like what's
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Speaker 2: the Jetsons like future that's being promised from this? I suppose.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think the part of me that sort of goes, well,
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Speaker 1: hang on, let's let's let's let's let's pause for a moment,
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Speaker 1: is yeah. I mean, potentially it can allow us to
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Speaker 1: control our limbs, or maybe even control an exoskeleton that
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Speaker 1: we wear outside of our limbs, to do things that
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Speaker 1: you know, only a superhero would be able to do.
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Speaker 1: And that sounds incredibly promising and it sounds really cool,
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Speaker 1: but it also comes with a you know, a pretty
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Speaker 1: large chunk of moral and ethical questions. As well. In
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Speaker 1: other words, you're exposing humans to risk, So what is
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Speaker 1: the reward for that risk? If you otherwise can't walk
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Speaker 1: in this promises you the ability you walk. That's one thing.
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Speaker 1: If you are fully mobile and you don't have any
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Speaker 1: kind of prior injury or disease, is it moral or
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Speaker 1: ethical for you to have this applied? And then are
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Speaker 1: there appropriate controls to ensure that that technology isn't going
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Speaker 1: to be used for some malevolent purpose? Will we see,
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Speaker 1: you know, like you know, you know, Alex Luthor type,
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Speaker 1: you know, super villain in future use this technology in
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Speaker 1: ways that we probably don't want them to use it.
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Speaker 1: It definitely needs to have controls, and certainly as we
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Speaker 1: move forward slowly, step by step to ensure that this
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Speaker 1: technology works, I think we owe it to ourselves to
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Speaker 1: build in safeguard so that it isn't misused. And Elon Musk,
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Speaker 1: you know, the guy's a modern day P. T. Barnum.
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Speaker 1: He will say things that get us, get you know, garner,
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Speaker 1: garner attention from the rest of us, even if they
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Speaker 1: are provocative. But I think we need to make sure that,
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Speaker 1: you know, that is tempered somewhat with appropriate protections. And
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Speaker 1: now I look to the Food and Drug Administration. I
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Speaker 1: look to help Canada and Canada when it eventually comes here,
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Speaker 1: to make sure that we're doing it ethically and properly,
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Speaker 1: and the potential for misuse or abuse is minimized, if
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Speaker 1: not eliminated.
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Speaker 2: You know, it wouldn't be a tech conversation if I
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Speaker 2: weren't able to drop a Star Trek reference in KARMI.
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Speaker 2: It's been you know, it's been a couple years since
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two to nineteen ninety six when the EUJENX
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Speaker 2: wars happened, you know, in the Rise of Con and
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Speaker 2: I hear conversations like this, and you talk about the
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Speaker 2: ethics of enhancing our bodies to become more than the
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Speaker 2: person next to us on the street, and I can't
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Speaker 2: stop thinking about Star Trek and Con.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, and I think I think that was opprescient
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Speaker 1: warning to society. And one of the things I love
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Speaker 1: about Star Trek is many of the technologies that we
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Speaker 1: rely on today we're inspired by much of what we
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Speaker 1: saw on Star Trek, and also a lot of the
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Speaker 1: moral and ethical questions around those technologies. We're dealt with
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Speaker 1: in virtually every episode of Star Trek and I think
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Speaker 1: we need to sort of every time a new technology
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Speaker 1: is introduced, we should be asking those questions, what is
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Speaker 1: the benefit, what is the return on investment, but also
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Speaker 1: what are the risks. We're having that raging debate around
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Speaker 1: artificial intelligence, but we should also be having it around implantables,
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Speaker 1: brain computer interfaces, other devices that are really meant to
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Speaker 1: basically hack the human body. And if that inspiration comes
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Speaker 1: from Star Trek, so much the better, because honestly, if
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Speaker 1: that's what helps people understand the implications of this stuff
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Speaker 1: in day to day life, then I think that's a
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Speaker 1: very healthy conversation to have, and it's probably a very
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Speaker 1: healthy place to start that conversation.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And the closest thing I've ever been to a
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Speaker 2: holideck was having a virtual reality headset on. So, I mean,
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Speaker 2: we're getting closer and closer to the promised tech from
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Speaker 2: the show.
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Speaker 1: But hey, we can buy our own holidays now, just
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Speaker 1: put them on our heads and off we go.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Okay, last, but not least here, I'm really interested
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Speaker 2: in this one because it crosses over from the realm
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Speaker 2: of just tech into also not legislation, but into the
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Speaker 2: realm of politics. I suppose the FCC has fined telecom
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Speaker 2: operators a million bucks for transmitting a Biden deep fake. One.
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Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear that. Two, I'm surprised to hear that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's interesting. So this happened in January
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Speaker 1: in the lead ups the New Hampshire primary to primary.
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Speaker 1: There were some phone calls, robo calls that claimed to
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Speaker 1: be from Joe Biden, and it sounded a lot like him,
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Speaker 1: and he was telling voters not to vote in the primary.
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Speaker 1: These were not legitimate and that voice was not the president.
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Speaker 1: It was an AI generated clone of the president, which
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Speaker 1: is rather terrifying that could have swayed the results of
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Speaker 1: primary using malevolent means. And so now what's interesting is
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Speaker 1: the Federal Communications Commission, the SCC. They in fact, they
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Speaker 1: proposed a six million dollar fine to the individual, Stephen Kramer,
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Speaker 1: who's a political consultant, who made those calls happen, which
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Speaker 1: you would expect. You wouldn't expect. Also, the telecommunications company
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Speaker 1: that transmitted those calls, that was responsible for them, you
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Speaker 1: wouldn't expect them to be confined. But guess what, the
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Speaker 1: SEC is forcing them to pay a million dollars, which
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Speaker 1: is a really important milestone because usually telecommunications companies they
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Speaker 1: just shrug their shoulders and say, we're not responsible for
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Speaker 1: how people use our platform. And if there's something called
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Speaker 1: Section two thirty of the Telecommunications back in the US
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Speaker 1: that protect technology companies and telecommunications companies from the behaviors
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Speaker 1: of people who use it, and in this case, section
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Speaker 1: two thirty does not apply, which basically means if you're
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Speaker 1: going to use artificial intelligence to mislead people, whatever technology
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Speaker 1: you use, where the federal government, we're going to come
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Speaker 1: after you. And it doesn't matter who you are, if
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Speaker 1: you're the person who's ordering the program or if you're
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Speaker 1: the company that's the traffic, you're going to pay through
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Speaker 1: the nose. And I think this is a warning shot
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Speaker 1: to anyone who uses AI from a level in purposes.
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Speaker 1: You're we're coming for you.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know. I mean, it's not like there is
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Speaker 2: a need for new legislation when it comes to electoral advertising,
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Speaker 2: for example, that you have to have the candidate saying
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Speaker 2: at the end of it, you know, I'm Joe Biden,
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Speaker 2: and I approve this message or whatever the heck it is.
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Speaker 2: And that's what allows for advertisers to know that the
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Speaker 2: broadcasters to know, oh, this is a legitimate message. It
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Speaker 2: makes sense that you would apply a similar test to
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Speaker 2: telcoms because quite frankly, if advertising is happening over the phones,
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Speaker 2: it's not any different than if it's happening on TV
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Speaker 2: or radio or on.
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Speaker 1: The web exactly. You know, we don't need new laws.
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Speaker 1: We simply need the laws that we have in place
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Speaker 1: to be applied appropriately. And I think in this case,
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Speaker 1: the SEC is showing great courage in drawing that line
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Speaker 1: in the sand and saying we are going to come
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Speaker 1: after you. And I think that's an important lesson here
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Speaker 1: in Canada as well. You know we are. We're already
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Speaker 1: starting to see the drums beating louder for a federal election.
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Speaker 1: We know it'll happen at the very least next year,
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Speaker 1: possibly earlier based on headlines this week. So let's not
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Speaker 1: fool ourselves. The same technologies can and will be used,
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Speaker 1: and in fact already have been used to mislead voters
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Speaker 1: north of the border too. And I'd like to think
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Speaker 1: that Canadian officials in governments, in the courts are watching this,
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Speaker 1: and of course our national telecom regulator, the CRDC, are
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Speaker 1: watching what's happening in the US and that they're thinking
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Speaker 1: we should be doing the same thing. That's such a
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Speaker 1: precedent for Canada to follow too, and I really hope
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Speaker 1: that that's the case, because I would hate to think
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Speaker 1: that Canadian political parties could get away with this and
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Speaker 1: the Canadians could be so easily due to the AI.
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Speaker 1: It needs to stop, and if it's stopping in the US,
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Speaker 1: it should be stopped here in Canada as well.
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Speaker 2: Get a handle of it quick while we can before
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Speaker 2: it runs out of control. Hey, Charmie, just on a
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Speaker 2: personal note, I know that not too long ago you
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Speaker 2: had dealt with an instance of anti Semitism that you
16:55
Speaker 2: came across in your community with some just you know,
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Speaker 2: violent vandalism and spray painting, and I just wanted to
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Speaker 2: just say to you, you know, that stuff is unacceptable
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Speaker 2: and it's gross, and I'm glad that you decided to
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Speaker 2: come forward and talk about it because through our conversations,
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Speaker 2: hopefully there can become more education and a decrease in
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Speaker 2: this climate that we're in right now.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate that, because you know, let's face it,
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Speaker 1: hatred is hatred, and regardless of who's being targeted, you know,
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Speaker 1: if they target one of us, they target all of us,
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Speaker 1: and any one of us can be victimized on any
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Speaker 1: given day. And I think, you know, the last response
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Speaker 1: that is the acceptable one is silence, and we all
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Speaker 1: need to stand tall, stand strong against it. If particularly
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Speaker 1: horrifying when it shows up literally in your backyard. I
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Speaker 1: was walking my dog and I came face to face
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Speaker 1: with it. But you know, the good thing is is
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Speaker 1: the response from the community has been tremendous at all
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Speaker 1: levels of you know, you know, media certainly has responded.
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Speaker 1: We're working with local politicians to address the issue. There
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Speaker 1: was some damage to a community mural that I'm fortunately
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Speaker 1: had to be painted over, but already there's a program
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Speaker 1: in place to get that neural replaced. So from darkness
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Speaker 1: comes light, and I'm glad I stepped forward, and in
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Speaker 1: all honesty, I would do it again and again, regardless
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Speaker 1: of how often happens. And I'm hoping maybe we're in
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Speaker 1: our lifetime we won't even need for that to happen that,
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe more of us will get to get
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Speaker 1: the get the program, will understand the need to be
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Speaker 1: a little bit more tolerant to those we live live
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Speaker 1: with and with with around.
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Speaker 2: We can all try to find our better angels. Thank
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Speaker 2: you so much, Carmie for your time. I always appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: It's always fun, so great being with you.
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Speaker 1: John.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Happy long weekend. Carmi Levy is a technology
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Speaker 2: analyst and journalists. You hear him often here on AM
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