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Danny Parkins on Caleb Williams' Future, Josh Allen's moment, Giants hire John Harbaugh | 01.16 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Beaumontie Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 2: It is Parko Fridays. Danny Parkins, first day first. What's
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  Speaker 2: going on, big dog?
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  Speaker 3: Chilling, man. How are you? Happy Friday.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, man. Likewise, likewise.
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  Speaker 1: I'm good over here. We got a lot to get to.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to John Harbaugh being the coach of the Giants.
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  Speaker 1: We got a big weekend of the playoffs. But, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm in an interesting place with, you know, where I
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  Speaker 1: stand when it comes to the NFL and, like, being
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  Speaker 1: a fan in that I'm not so far down this
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  Speaker 1: road yet that I actually dislike the other teams.
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  Speaker 2: In my division. You understand what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: So like I root for the Lions, but I'm not
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  Speaker 1: yet at a point where I actively dislike everybody else.
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  Speaker 2: Probably because I don't live around those people. You know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: But that allows me to still be somewhat happy for
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  Speaker 1: Bears fan Danny Parkins. And it tells me a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot about what it is to be a Bears fan
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  Speaker 1: that you took your ass to Chicago to sit in
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  Speaker 1: that cold and watch that game. And I can only
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  Speaker 1: presume that that's because you just can't assume that's ever
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  Speaker 1: going to happen again.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, I hate going to NFL games.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, really?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I felt like a pull from the universe
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  Speaker 3: to attend that game. It was, I would rather be
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  Speaker 3: at Bears Packers in that circumstance than certainly at Bears
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  Speaker 3: Rams or even like Bears fill in the blank NFC
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  Speaker 3: championship game. Like that was just a, it was like
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  Speaker 3: the Caleb arrival, the rivalry, the Saturday night aspect of it, honestly,
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  Speaker 3: kind of a rarity. And the fact that I could
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  Speaker 3: fly in Saturday morning, fly back Sunday morning, not miss
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  Speaker 3: any NFL games. Like it was just like a nice
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  Speaker 3: standalone thing. And it was the biggest sporting event in
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  Speaker 3: Chicago since game five of the 2016 world series. And yeah, man, I've,
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  Speaker 3: even in big bears games before I've never been like, well,
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  Speaker 3: we have the better quarterback, like literally never once, never
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  Speaker 3: once in my lifetime. So it just, it felt like
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  Speaker 3: an event that I had to see in person.
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  Speaker 2: It looked cold.
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  Speaker 3: It was cold.
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  Speaker 1: I think, I don't know. I think I, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if I've told you the story before. I probably
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  Speaker 1: told on air at some point, but I may have
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  Speaker 1: even told it. I feel like I've told this story
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  Speaker 1: in the last two weeks. But whatever, you're getting it again, people.
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  Speaker 1: I used to do some work for a company out
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  Speaker 1: of Toronto. And so I'd go up there for some stretches, right?
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  Speaker 1: And so I went for my first trip. And it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't so bad, right? And it was a winter month
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  Speaker 1: and the cold wasn't really hitting. And then I was
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  Speaker 1: getting ready to go to another trip. So when I
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  Speaker 1: lived in North Carolina, I looked at the weather. and
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  Speaker 1: it was talking about highs in the mid-30s, lows, I
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  Speaker 1: want to say, in the mid-20s, and that seemed survivable.
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  Speaker 1: If those are the temperatures in North Carolina, we're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be cold, but not like you're going
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  Speaker 1: to die cold.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, no big deal.
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  Speaker 1: I got up there to Toronto, and what that 30
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  Speaker 1: was talking about in Toronto was was not the 30
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  Speaker 1: that I had come to understand, right?
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  Speaker 3: It feels like. They got you. It feels like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like, temperature is really, like, what's heavier? A
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  Speaker 1: ton of bricks or a ton of feathers.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: It's maneuvering around that, right? Yeah. And so I'm there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm at a friend's house. She made dinner.
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  Speaker 1: I look out the window, and I see the explanation
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  Speaker 1: for this situation.
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  Speaker 2: This.
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  Speaker 1: great lake was right outside the window oh yeah and
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  Speaker 1: it never dawned on me that oh toronto's on the
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  Speaker 1: lake i got an american sense of geography right yeah
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  Speaker 1: man it reminded me of maybe 10 years before that
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  Speaker 1: or maybe more like six or seven i had gone
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  Speaker 1: to chicago and it was actually new year's eve i
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  Speaker 1: don't know why we went to new york i goes
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  Speaker 1: over to buddy's house in louisville we're like we're not
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  Speaker 1: gonna stay in louisville so it's And we didn't do anything.
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  Speaker 1: But we went outside for a minute, and I had
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  Speaker 1: never seen cold like great hours.
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  Speaker 4: Woo!
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  Speaker 2: My God.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And we got one of those great lakes too, Bo.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Good old Lake Michigan. And the stadium is right there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like, at least I understood. Like, I know Chicago has it, right? Right.
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  Speaker 1: But I had not really considered that the lake does
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  Speaker 1: a thing to the air.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Lake effect.
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  Speaker 3: It is a term where it's like, You know, the
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  Speaker 3: local weather people, they'll be like, you know, it's 31
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  Speaker 3: degrees at O'Hare, 28 at Midway. And it feels like
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  Speaker 3: nine on the lakefront. It's like, oh, yeah, that's that
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  Speaker 3: 15 to 20 degree on the lakefront difference. And listen,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it was it was two pairs of socks,
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  Speaker 3: toe warmers, two pairs of gloves, hand warmers, four layers
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  Speaker 3: and a lot of cocktails.
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  Speaker 1: To watch the bears i wouldn't do all that to
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  Speaker 1: watch one of my kids maybe i feel different if
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  Speaker 1: i had them but i man look like.
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  Speaker 3: Like that's actually the added benefit i got 24 hours
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  Speaker 3: away from my ah there we go there we go
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  Speaker 3: three and five so i told i told the wife
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  Speaker 3: i was like hey hey steph uh 24 hours chicago's
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  Speaker 3: college you got the better end of that deal.
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  Speaker 1: Well i mean that's because you she got you to
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  Speaker 1: go to the pinstripe bowl.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't she Dude, this was a great reversal of fortune.
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  Speaker 3: My wife is soft. She was like, she's like, saw
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  Speaker 3: the forecast that day. And she's like, I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to go to this game.
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  Speaker 2: And I was smart.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, babe, we can go to the pinstripe bowl.
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  Speaker 2: Danny's wife, by the way, inexplicably went to Clemson. That's right.
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  Speaker 2: It's weird story.
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  Speaker 3: But I was like, I, I am not, we will
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  Speaker 3: be able to buy tickets day of the game.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like, we're going to the pinstripe bowl. if
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  Speaker 2: you want to go to the pin oh.
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  Speaker 3: There you go there you go and then day of
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  Speaker 3: it was like 22 degrees clemson stinks she's like you
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  Speaker 3: know what let's not great.
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  Speaker 1: Well hey man let me ask you this um i
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  Speaker 1: feel like the bears game on sunday is kind of
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  Speaker 1: sort of ghost of christmas present versus ghost of christmas
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  Speaker 1: past in the sense that I mean, this is really
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  Speaker 1: funny because I think Sean McVay is barely older than
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  Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, but Ben Johnson is what Sean McVay was. Now,
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  Speaker 1: of course, Sean McVay is now a Super Bowl champion
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  Speaker 1: and all of those things. But this is the hot
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  Speaker 1: shot young brain versus the old hot shot young brain.
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  Speaker 3: That's right. And Sean McVay is like best coaching buddies
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  Speaker 3: with Matt LaFleur, who seems to hate Ben Johnson.
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  Speaker 2: What is this?
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  Speaker 1: Because they hate, like, it seemed that Ben Johnson hates
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  Speaker 1: Matt LaFleur. I'm not sure Matt LaFleur knows what the
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  Speaker 1: explanation is behind this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, listen, this is red meat
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  Speaker 3: to the base. So, to understand Bears-Packers, it's unlike any
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  Speaker 3: other rivalry because the Packers have no owner, right? They're
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  Speaker 3: owned by the fans. And the bears are owned by
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  Speaker 3: the McCaskey family. Virginia McCaskey just passed away. She was
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  Speaker 3: George house's daughter. So the McCaskey is proudly like George McCaskey. Well,
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  Speaker 3: anytime he steps in front of a microphone, he'll be like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know much about football. I'm just a fan.
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  Speaker 3: And so it's like owned by a fan and owned
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  Speaker 3: by the fans. And like my old radio station in
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  Speaker 3: Chicago is, People would listen to us in Milwaukee. You
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean? The proximity is so close that
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  Speaker 3: my dad's whole side of the family are from the
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  Speaker 3: south side of Milwaukee and are diehard Packers fans. I
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  Speaker 3: was at the game with my nephew, a Packer fan.
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  Speaker 3: We are married to these people. We work with these people.
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  Speaker 3: It's like a tremendous amount of proximity. And so ever
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  Speaker 3: since George McCaskey became the front man for that family
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  Speaker 3: for ownership, literally every Bears coach at his introductory press conference,
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  Speaker 3: like Lovey Smith, was like, You know, we got a
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  Speaker 3: few orders of business. You got to win the division,
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  Speaker 3: ultimately win the Super Bowl. But first and foremost, you
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  Speaker 3: got to beat the Packers. It is like college. Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: But it's but like so on Monday. So he so,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Ben Johnson says F the Packers. It goes viral.
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  Speaker 3: He does the icy handshake, whatever. And on Monday, the
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  Speaker 3: media is like, you know, do you feel bad for
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  Speaker 3: saying F the Packers? And he's like, no, I don't
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  Speaker 3: like them rivalries. But the thing that the most telling
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  Speaker 3: part about it, he goes. But I talked to George
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  Speaker 3: and we're on the same page. He is playing. He
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  Speaker 3: is echoing what his boss wants him to say. And
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  Speaker 3: it's been a thing for literally every Bears coach since
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  Speaker 3: Lovie Smith.
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  Speaker 2: And is it corny?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, but.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think it's corny at all. Well, here's
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  Speaker 2: the thing.
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  Speaker 3: Because I don't think that Ben Johnson genuinely hates Matt LaFleur.
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  Speaker 2: See, that's where I'm not sure, right? I hope he does.
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  Speaker 2: I hope he does.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the reason I say that is I get it
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  Speaker 1: on everything you're saying about beating the Packers. But when
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  Speaker 1: he got the job, he immediately took aim at Matt LaFleur.
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  Speaker 3: He said, I enjoy beating Matt LaFleur twice a year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was, that was job unnecessary.
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  Speaker 1: And that there's something, or is he the person, is
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  Speaker 1: he the Michael Jordan type of psycho that goes in
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  Speaker 1: the mirror and invents things?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, I think it was, I think that was
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  Speaker 3: his version of the Lovie Smith thing. And he kind
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  Speaker 3: of like, he just personalized it instead of globalized it.
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  Speaker 3: He put it on Matt LaFleur instead of on the Packers.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, Ben Johnson, he's crazy. And he's been on
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  Speaker 3: the show multiple times. I'm a huge fan. I want
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  Speaker 3: my football coaches to be crazy. But like he's the
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  Speaker 3: like install every part of the game plan doesn't delegate
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  Speaker 3: any of it to his coaches sleep in the facility
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  Speaker 3: he looks like he's going to age like a president
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  Speaker 3: over over the course of this job like yeah he
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  Speaker 3: he is a special type of crazy and bears if
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  Speaker 3: they're going to win and they're going to need to
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  Speaker 3: win a shootout because Matt Stafford might throw for 600
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  Speaker 3: yards on the Bears defense.
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  Speaker 2: Hey man, counterpoint. Stafford got that finger situation.
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  Speaker 3: And it's going to be cold.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's going to be cold.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the last time that we saw the Rams
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  Speaker 1: in the playoffs in cold, like this cold was that
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  Speaker 1: game against the Eagles last year. Now, of course the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles weren't out there looking like the greatest show on
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  Speaker 1: turf in that cold either. Like it was a debilitating
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  Speaker 1: sort of situation, but Stafford, with a banged up finger.
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  Speaker 2: In that cult. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: And I will say this, this is where there was
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  Speaker 1: a thing, I guess it was really like 10, 15
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  Speaker 1: years ago, particularly with the proliferation of the internet and
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  Speaker 1: social media. where so many people thought they were so
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  Speaker 1: much smarter than all the draft analysis people, and it'd
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  Speaker 1: be like, oh, they really care so much about stuff
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  Speaker 1: like hand size, right? Now, sometimes they'd weaponize it, like
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  Speaker 1: why you should take Johnny Manziel over Teddy Bridgewater, for example. However,
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  Speaker 1: those things matter particularly well If you are drafting a
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  Speaker 1: quarterback to play in your cold weather environs, right? Josh
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  Speaker 1: Allen is not just Josh Allen. Josh Allen is perfect
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  Speaker 1: for what will be necessary for you to perhaps win
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  Speaker 1: a game playing in Buffalo.
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  Speaker 2: And Caleb Williams is a physically.
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  Speaker 3: Built for cold weather dude.
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  Speaker 1: That dude was making throws in that game on Saturday
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  Speaker 1: that I could not believe.
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  Speaker 3: He is... remarkable by.
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  Speaker 1: The way you were right i i was i was
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  Speaker 1: a skeptic and i just want to go ahead and
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  Speaker 1: give you your you were right they you were right
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  Speaker 1: that the number one pick in the draft would be
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  Speaker 1: good just want to let you know that you know
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  Speaker 1: you still got out you stood out on that limb
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  Speaker 1: thank you Thank you. That was the backhandedest compliment I
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  Speaker 1: ever could have possibly given somebody.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't matter. I'm going to have Ryan clip, you were right,
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  Speaker 3: from Bomani Jones to me.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be my.
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  Speaker 3: Text message alert whenever you hit me up, and it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be glorious. You were right. Oh, Bo's hitting
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  Speaker 3: me up. Yeah, listen, I'm not saying that it was
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  Speaker 3: a revolutionary call, but there was a huge faction of
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  Speaker 3: the Bears fan base that wanted to pass on the
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  Speaker 3: draft rights to Caleb Williams to keep rolling it out
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  Speaker 3: there with Justin Fields. So that was a legitimate thing
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  Speaker 3: in Chicago for a while. So I will take the
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  Speaker 3: victory lap, even if it was backhanded from you. He's insane.
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  Speaker 3: He's like 6'3 and every bit of 225. He is
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  Speaker 3: built like a refrigerator, and he's got the best arm
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  Speaker 3: in football. I mean, maybe if it was a fastball
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  Speaker 3: throwing contest, maybe Justin Herbert could dial it up a
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  Speaker 3: little faster. I don't know. But his mobility, strength, size, elusiveness,
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  Speaker 3: it's insane. Everyone knocks him for the completion percentage. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he misses some layups. But I'm going to debut this
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  Speaker 3: take with you. Is there any faction of, in the NBA,
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  Speaker 3: you know, to shoot 50% from two? All you got
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  Speaker 3: to do is shoot 33% from three? Right. Dude, Caleb
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  Speaker 3: is a... Big game, Hunter.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: He does not give a– he will just throw it
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  Speaker 3: down the field. He thinks he can make every throw,
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  Speaker 3: and he can. And so if his completion percentage is lower,
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  Speaker 3: but he doesn't throw interceptions, and it's just a big
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  Speaker 3: play waiting to happen at every moment, man, I'm cool
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  Speaker 3: with it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Nickel and dime efficiency is overrated in this game, and
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  Speaker 1: it's something that has– in terms of the way that
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  Speaker 1: we evaluate players and evaluate quarterbacks– I think has been
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  Speaker 1: a problem for a while, right? Because I think you
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  Speaker 1: hit it where it really matters, which is he's not
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  Speaker 1: throwing interceptions.
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  Speaker 3: Right. It's why the comp for me is still Aaron Rodgers.
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  Speaker 3: That is still the comp.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's hard for Aaron Rodgers to be the comp
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  Speaker 1: and you complete 58% of your passes.
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  Speaker 3: No, I agree.
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  Speaker 2: I agree.
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  Speaker 3: I agree, but like hunts the big game and doesn't
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  Speaker 3: throw picks. Listen, he's year one. He's been in three
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  Speaker 3: different systems in three years, right?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Lincoln Riley and whatever the hell it was last year
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  Speaker 3: with Luke Getze. And now, and now this with Ben Johnson,
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  Speaker 3: if he doesn't take an efficiency leap from year two
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  Speaker 3: to year three in the NFL, year one to year
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  Speaker 3: two and Ben Johnson system, then I'll lay down my
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  Speaker 3: sword on the Aaron Rogers comp and say, maybe he's
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  Speaker 3: going to be a low completion percentage guy. for the duration,
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  Speaker 3: but like he cut his sack percentage in half. He
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  Speaker 3: was sacked 68 times this year. This year it was
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  Speaker 3: less than 30. And, you know, he's got the verbiage.
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  Speaker 3: They're not going to delay a game penalties and pre-snap
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  Speaker 3: stuff anymore. Like I think he's going to, he'll work
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  Speaker 3: on it this off season and he's, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: number one pick in the draft was good, Bo. So
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  Speaker 3: I think he'll be able to, I think he'll be
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  Speaker 3: able to hit the layups.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I do think that with him, it's a matter of,
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  Speaker 1: you ain't got to wait till the end of the
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  Speaker 1: game to get good.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like it does, it does still feel to a degree like,
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  Speaker 1: playing fully within what my man Big Brain Ben.
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  Speaker 2: Is doing is still difficult.
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  Speaker 1: When it gets late and it's just kind of like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, man, whatever. Now, because that's what he's been
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  Speaker 1: used to doing forever, is playing video game football, right? Like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to run around, run around, somebody's going to
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  Speaker 1: get open, and look how hard I can throw the ball, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like, that's going to be it.
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  Speaker 1: So it's going to be interesting to see, especially, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Rams got a defensive coordinator that's auditioning for jobs, right?
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  Speaker 2: People looked up and was like, Shula, you say? That
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  Speaker 2: sounds familiar. I feel like I want to give that
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  Speaker 2: guy a job. Huh?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, but the Rams, he's, he's not putting
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  Speaker 3: his best foot forward recently since we, I think it's
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: like the last, since week 12 or something, they're at,
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: they're averaging 28 points a game allowed. Like you can,
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: this is, There's going to be points scored in this game.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you something interesting about Shula is
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: that I think, I don't know if we're still in
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: that window where as long as, what's his name? Sean
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: McVay had touched the hem of your garment. You could
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: get a head coaching job when everybody was hiring all
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: his friends. I heard him, Sean McVay had dinner one time.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: That was enough for you to get a job. So
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: we talking about two dudes.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: In this year's cycle that are being discussed like straight McVay.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Guys, right?
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: One of them is Chris Shula, their defensive coordinator. The
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: other one is a dude named Nate Sheilhas.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: And I remember Nate Sheilhas because he played at, I
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: want to say, Illinois at quarterback.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: And I remember this. when we were really deep in
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Rooney Rule discussions a few years ago.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: I'm like, how about Sean McVay just hire a bunch
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: of brothers? And then they all going to get jobs
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: because all you got to do is know Sean McVay.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: And it eventually came to pass for Raheem Morris. He
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: wound up being able to get a job. But I
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: was like, come on, McVay, you need to do more
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: than everybody talking about this Shield House guy. I'm like, oh,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Shield House. And then I looked up a picture and buddy,
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: I ain't never seen no Shield House that looked like that.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: That was a shocker. So McVay out here doing his
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: part for the people. I see you, big dog.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: And 35 years old, too. He is. He is. But
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: he is also Mr. Shiel Haas. Well, he was born.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: He grew up in Kansas.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: He went to high school in Kansas City. But he's
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: born in Davenport, Iowa, which is on the list of
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: places that are a little blacker than you might expect.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Not wall-to-wall black, but that's one of the places where
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: the black people in Iowa live. Before we get into
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: the break, I do also want to hit on the
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: other Sunday game, which is The Texans and the Patriots,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: and I don't know about.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: You, but I think the Patriots might be in trouble
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: in this one.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, the Texans defense is just awesome. You know,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know. We're not talking 2,000 Ravens here, but
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: we're talking like a step below it. You know, best
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: defense we've seen in the NFL in years. Will Anderson
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: might be the second best defensive player in football behind
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: Miles Garrett. He's ridiculous. Their whole secondary is crazy. Obviously,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Daniil Hunter. One of the things we put out there
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: on the show this week was if the Texans score 20,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: they're undefeated. 12-0, scoring 20 or more. Most wins at
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: that low of a threshold since the Cam Newton Panthers.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: But C.J.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Stroud keeps dropping the ball. I just do not... I
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: don't trust him at all in CJ Stroud's three playoff wins.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Another fun stat for you. This is a, this is
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: a crazy one. CJ Stroud has three playoff wins in
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: his three playoff wins. The Texans defense has allowed 32 points.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: The Texans defense has scored 32 points.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: They have five touchdowns and a blocked extra point return
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: for a two point conversion in his, in.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: His three playoff wins.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: So like, I have to sit here and say that
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: CJ Stroud's a great playoff quarterback because he's got a playoff.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Win all three years when his.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Defense has played teams to a draw by themselves.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: I refuse. I refuse. Yo, he looked the kind of
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: bad in.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: The game against the Steelers where people don't like criticize
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: your performance. They ask you questions. They're like, hey man,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: are you good? Like, is everything all right at home?
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Like it was, it was that kind of bad. Couldn't
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: catch a snap. Like, and you saw it all over
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: his face. Like it was in his eyes after these
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: things that happened. And this is a guy that we
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: had given credit for being precocious. The guy that we
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: saw in college who in those big bowl games was balling.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: He looks totally lost, or at least he did in
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: this particular game look totally lost.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, I remember like changing my whole opinion on
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: CJ Stroud because of how he played in that game
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: against Georgia. I was like, oh, I didn't know you
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: could do that. My apologies. Okay.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Now, now I see what everyone else says.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: So like, yeah, I think he looked, he looked shook
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: and he has not been good in for a long
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: time like not like that was like that now that
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: dropping the ball and just like not being able to
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: do the quarterback center exchange that was an extreme but
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: in like you look look at the last like 20
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: games of cj stroud good games are outliers he is
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: he is yes part of it is the offensive line
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: he's been hit a lot he had wide receiver injuries
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: last year but i am i am not at all
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: sold on C.J. Stroud long-term. I'm not.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is interesting because he looked so good as
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: a rookie, right?
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: He did, but it was also one of those weird
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Dak Prescott rookie seasons where he looked so mature. The
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: interception number was real low. I think it was five
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: interceptions his rookie year.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: But it was only like 21 touchdowns, and I think
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: five of those touchdowns came in one game. And I
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: was like, okay. You're clearly smart. You are not making mistakes.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: But what is a ceiling with a player like this?
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: And it hasn't gotten much higher since.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, the thing about if
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: what he had was a Dak Prescott rookie year, if
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: he turns out to be.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Dak Prescott, you're doing okay. Like, Oh yeah.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Like put Dak Prescott on the Texans and they're probably
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the best team in the NFL.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: But to be clear, like I, I just, I was
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: wrong about Dak Prescott too. Like Dak for a while
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: to be his numbers, the first like three or four years,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: we're all very similar. We got lower twenties touchdowns, mid
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: single digit interceptions, game manager tie. And I was like, okay,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: like you're, you're a pro you great value for your
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: draft pick, but with like second overall pick for CJ Stroud,
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: you know, But yeah, no, I mean, Dak Prescott the
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: last few years is awesome. If Dak Prescott was on
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: the Texans, they would be the favorites to win the
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Now, New England on the other side is interesting because
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the reason I'm saying I think the Texans are going
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: to win this, it's really not about the particulars. It's
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: about the generality of the fact that monster defense on
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: one side, second year quarterback, second playoff start on the other.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Who takes a lot of sacks.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, we're asking, we're asking a lot out
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: of me in this game.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Now maybe he got his bad playoff game out
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: of the way.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Like, you know what I mean?
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Like against the chargers, like maybe it was like, okay,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: now he knows now I figured it out and he can,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: he's got the mobility obviously in the athleticism to deal
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: with some of the things that Houston throws at him.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: It does still feel to me and it's felt all year.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Like the Patriots are a year ahead. Like, they're a
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: year early on some stuff, and they need a little
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: bit more high-end talent around him. But Drake May is
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: wildly impressive. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Like, I still think right now, Kenna Williams still got
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: to show me something to show me that for certain
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: he's going to be better than this guy is.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: And by the way, I think that's fair. Super big,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: super strong, because it gets super cold over there.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Like it's actually interesting.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady and them were so good that we never
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: really talked about the fact that they were playing. It
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: ain't quite Lambeau, but it's that sort.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Of home field. It's cold up here, guys.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: I went to a Chiefs Patriots playoff game and I
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: was like, man, this thing is in the middle of
• 23:28
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• 23:33
  Speaker 3: I these these games are real interesting because, you know,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: you have. Texans' pass rush against MVP candidate quarterback and Broncos'
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: pass rush against MVP caliber quarterback. Those two AFC games
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: are very much pass rush and defense against all-world quarterback.
• 23:53
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• 23:54
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  Speaker 1: We are back on the right time with Danny Parkins, FS1,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: First Things First.
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  Speaker 2: Josh Allen, America's quarterback.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I'm glad that I've come to like him in a
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: way that allows me to overcome all these people who
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: just want to make me hate him.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: But I don't. I refuse.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: This is an interesting one because on one hand, the
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Broncos are the number one seed. The Broncos have this
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: monstrous defense. You got to go deal with them at altitude.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: The Buffalo Bills are banged up all of these things, right?
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: On the other hand, their quarterback is Bo Nix. And
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: if you, Josh Allen, we, the role, we feel like
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: you should be Bo Nix, even though quarterbacks don't play
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: against each other.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: That's how it feels, guys. That's how it feels.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not entirely unfair, just based on how
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: we've always done things. If you want to say the
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: whole system is unfair, then okay.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Right, people pick a hell of a time to realize
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: it if that's what it is.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, exactly. This is how we do it, and
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: it's not right, and it isn't a one-on-one game, and
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Bo Nix isn't on the field when Josh Allen is,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: and I understand that, and the Bills' receiver injuries, and
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: the Bills' run defense, and I know all of those things,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: but just on the Broncos' side of it, This is
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: a real shaky one seed. This is a very shaky
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: one seed in that all year they have eked out
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: wins against bad teams when their quarterback has not played well.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean, I pulled it up here just
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: to remember the particulars. 13-11 against the Jets.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Yikes. Next week, 33-32 against the Giants.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Oh, I remember that.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: That was a crazy comeback, right?
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Right. And to Bo Nix's credit, he was incredible in
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: the fourth quarter of that game, but down huge to
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: the Giants. 18-15 against the Texans. We just talked about
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: their defense.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, fine.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: 10-7 against the Raiders. 27-26 against Washington. 24-17 against the Raiders. Like,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: it's a lot of one-score field goal games against teams
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: with top 10 picks. Bo Nix this year was, I believe,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: 6-1 in games where he had a passer rating of
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: under 85. Like, it's just... I don't think that formula
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: wins you a super bowl. I don't. And so I
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: do think Josh Allen can go into Denver and get
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: this done and figure it out and put on the
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: cape as people.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Have been saying, can Denver hide him, right?
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Like I have seen Kyle Shanahan coach teams without throwing
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: the ball at all in the second half, right? If
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: you can find a way to get ahead, hold the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: lead and hide that guy, if at all possible. Now, again,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: the Broncos model has been somewhat.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: And maybe this is the case with Bo Nix, somewhat similar.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: To the Bears model, which is, okay, maybe you get
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: behind late and now you just got to let this
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: guy say YOLO and not have to think about this
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: stuff so much and that's ready to get it done.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I don't think that could work for the Broncos in
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: the playoffs.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Like historically you would think, you would think that it doesn't.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: And so, and like, I want to try to be
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: kind of fair. Like Bo Nix had, let me see.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: What was the great game?
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: The game against the Packers. That was a very good game.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: But it was also, it coincided with the Micah injury
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: and the Packers defense beginning to fall apart. And so
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Broncos fans will get defensive and they'll be like, no,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: he's a great fourth quarter quarterback. And like my guy,
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Caleb is too, but I'm sorry when I watched the
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: two of them, I don't think that that is like that.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: You have to look a little bit beyond the numbers here.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: And I don't think that that's what Bo Nix is
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: in terms of trustworthy or not. So if Bo Nix
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: comes out at home and puts on a show against
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen, you can change that narrative. But until then,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: I think they are one and done.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I personally would love to have a great third quarter. Quarterback.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Everybody talks about the fourth quarter quarterbacks.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: No, give me a quarterback that's like Steph Curry was.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: You remember when the Warriors were the illest thing in
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the world in the third quarter? Like you might think
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: it was a thing at halftime and then they beat
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: the brakes off of you in the third quarter. And
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, he's over that motherfucker playing Tetris
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: or whatever.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Whatever he got on the phone. Now give
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: me a great third quarter quarterback.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: I want a quarterback who in the fourth quarter does
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: the nicest handoffs you have ever seen.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: That's the situation that I want.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Listen, I'm with you. And Denver then can, their pass rush,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: tee off and play with a lead and do that
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: whole Peyton Manning play from ahead thing. So yeah, Denver
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: is interesting because that place will be rocking. They got
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: to play at altitude. They are rested. They are healthier.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of like old school football things that
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: are very much in their favor. I tell you this boy,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen's on the other side.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I was about to say, man, that's, that's, he's reached
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: that place where it's just kind of like, okay, you
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: got all these things. And this is so interesting because
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: this is about a dude that has never been out
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: of the AFC side of the bracket.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: And I don't want to say that like he's never
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: done anything like a phrase I avoid using is the
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: never won anything because the anything really is only one thing, right?
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Like just like, you know, Put it a little differently
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: if that's the point that you're ultimately going to make. However,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: he has looked like he can overcome whatever the thing is,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: whatever the.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Thing may be. You know, he's still a bit hit
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: or miss.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: He's still going to give you a couple of chances if,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: this is important, if, if you can hold on to
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: them hot potatoes that he's out there throwing, which apparently
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: is more difficult than it seems.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: That's right. And he is... He has been, like, there
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: have been moments where at the end of games he
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: has not driven down the field and ultimately won them
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: the game. And then that, you know, that's how we
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: ultimately remember this stuff.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Fine.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: But he doesn't have a lot of clunkers on his
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: playoff resume.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Not since 2019. Well, that's a long time.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: The game against, but that was.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: That game against the Texans was legendarily bad.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's 2026.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Me and Dominique still struggle to forget about that time
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: he threw the ball to that square body on the
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: sideline down the field. But you're right. He has not
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: put up the clunker.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: And I'm sorry to cut you off. We did this
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: on the show this week, too. Three or more touchdowns,
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: zero interceptions in a playoff game. Brady has the most
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: ever with eight. Mahomes, second most ever with six. Tied
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: with Josh Allen. Yeah.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Now, how many of those with Josh Allen were in
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: the invitational game? The one where you play against the
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: seventh seed. Team that shouldn't even have been in the playoffs.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he definitely beats.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Up on some bums in the 2-7. No doubt. And,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: you know, he obviously has the 13-second game where he
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: plays incredible.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: We have to stop doing that. We have to stop
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: doing that. I'll never do it. That game they lost.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: He gets more credit for the 13 second game than.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: The guy who did the 13 second thing.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know that he gets more credit than
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Nobody talks about the 13 second game in the context
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: of the guy that marched down the field in 13 seconds.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: It's always in the.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Context of what, how Josh Allen was done wrong by
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: the fact that they didn't get to touch the ball.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: They had it and it was 13 seconds.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Right. But it also gets talked about in like, Josh
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Allen can't beat Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, see, it's interesting.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I feel like given the fact that the NFL changed
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: the overtime rules after that because it was so sad
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: that Josh didn't get to have the ball, that it
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: was much more that it was a grave injustice done
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: to him by his defense and by the NFL.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: I don't care about the NFL part of it because
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: I don't think overtime is meant to be fair, but yeah.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Like I, I, I, I got no problem with that. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: I have no problem with that, but he is clearly
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: good enough to do it.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: I think that's fair. Yeah. He's good.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: He's good enough to do it. And so he's the,
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: he's the best player left in the playoffs at the
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: most important position with more experience now than anyone else
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: in these, AFC playoffs. So, yeah, I think he's going
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: to be just fine.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: You know, it's so interesting that you refer to him
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: as the best player because I think that's probably correct.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: It's also interesting that Matthew Stafford is probably going to
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: win the MVP this year. I saw a quote floating
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: around with somebody saying that Matthew Stafford will go down
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: as one of the five or the 10 greatest quarterbacks
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: of all time.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: It was one of the two. And both of those
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: statements are insane.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Insane it is people ain't nobody ever held out hope
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: here's all he is and i say this i think
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: this is 100 correct stafford is the least scrutinized number
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: one overall pick at quarterback of all time he has
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: never interesting he has never been on the clock it
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: has never been treated as so what are you going
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: to do he has gotten the oh it's detroit excuse
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: yeah all the way through i mean too bad you
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: had to play with calvin johnson right buddy um cam
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: newton was the number one pick two years after him
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: and lived a much different life of scrutiny than matthew
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: stafford ever did he also has this weird art where
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: he got a little bit better got a little bit
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: better got a little bit better got a little bit
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: better and got to here he's still going to give
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: you a he's the cop i have for him is
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: carson palmer um and he's still every now and then
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: gonna give you a chance to win the game because
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: you know you get out there he'd do all them
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: trick shots like mahomes and all that stuff right he's
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: got all that there.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Um But none of us think he's better than Josh Allen.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: I think the Josh Allen thing is a couple. It's
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: the running, like the physical gift of the size speed
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: combination is remarkable. And Puka Nakua is first team all
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: pro and Devontae Adams is going to wear a gold jacket.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: So, and McVay, right?
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: That's fair.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: And McVay genius.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: And if there's anything that Matthew Stafford learned in Detroit
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: with Calvin Johnson is sometimes you just throw the ball
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: to the same guy over.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: And over again.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, we got one of those? Oh, he's helping
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: a lot?
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to throw him the ball over and
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: over and over again.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Right, because the Bills thing, I don't think it's like
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen doing it by himself. He has a very
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: good offensive line. James Cook is an excellent running back.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: But compared to... arguably best offensive mind and football head
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: coach with arguably best wide receiver duo in the NFL.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: It's different. And as an, I'm not going to make
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: a Matt Stafford top 10 all time argument. And so
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: these are two huge ifs that I'm about to say,
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: but if he wins that MVP and if he wins
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: a second Superbowl, I don't think there are 10 quarterbacks
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: with two Superbowls and an MVP. I think it's like
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: eight or nine.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: They're not. And that is a, correlative argument that I
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: think makes sense.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: I'm not making it.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I understand exactly what you're saying. And that would be
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: a very interesting quirk that worked out fairly well.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: I think he's so talented.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: But in actual performance and result, he, as of right now,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: is one insane comeback in the.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl away from being Matt Ryan.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, except Matt Ryan's, for whatever it's worth, been
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: to a whole lot more Pro Bowls. And quarterback, better teams.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: And while you can make the argument about Matthew Stafford,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: it was Detroit.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Buddy, those were the Falcons. Just don't know.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: But it's just, I'm trying to be careful with Stafford
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: because it's not that I don't like Stafford. It's I
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: don't like people. And they annoy me when it comes
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: to Stafford. I want to get to one more game
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: before we get to Harbaugh, just right fast. And I
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: don't think this will take very long, but We just
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: saw Seahawks and 49ers a couple of weeks ago in
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: San Francisco.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's going to be the same. They're
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: just going to be wearing different jerseys.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: You have San Francisco winning the game? Oh, no, I
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: have Seattle winning the game. Oh, you mean, oh, they
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: were wearing weird jerseys that night.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: It's just going to be different.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Seattle's going to be wearing their dark-colored jerseys this time,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: and they're going to beat San Francisco.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, San Francisco ain't got no people left, man.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yeah, then we are 100% aligned. That game
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: in Week 18 is one of my favorite games of
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: the year in the NFL. Like, it was jump-off-the-screen physical,
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: and it was, you know, It was the worst offensive
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: game that the Niners have had since Kyle Shanahan's been
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: there in 2017. like it was three points 174 yards
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: McCaffrey's worst game since he joined Shanahan so just across
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: the board a dominating performance and then since then Seattle's
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: been kicking their feet up And the Niners had to
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: play a playoff game and lost George Kittle. And now
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: the game's in Seattle. So unless Sam Darnold has a
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: meltdown game, which I don't think.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: By the way, on the board, that's the only thing. Yeah,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: on the board.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: For the San Francisco 49ers to win this game, the
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: MVP is going to have to be solid.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Or Sam Darnold doing DJ Stroud.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Same Darnold.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Same Darnold. Same Darnold. He got better. He didn't change.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: And when you watch, like sometimes you look at the
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: numbers and it says one thing, but when you watch
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: the games, you're like, oh, like if he makes a mistake,
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: they will all start calling a lot of wide receiver screens.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Like a lot of like one route, you either throw
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: it here or you throw it away. Like they don't
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: fully trust him.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Which is, totally understandable uh because he definitely still sometimes
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: makes horrible mistakes but they're just really good they're really
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: really good yeah really good coach.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah Dominic makes the point that in watching the film
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: it is abundantly clear to him that the Eagles do
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: not trust their quarterback and that the Seahawks do not
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: trust theirs.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah well the Eagle situation is just messier it's hilarious
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: it's so much fun to not be involved just watching
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: the entire ecosystem of the eagles.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: And everything around the media ecosystem the whole nine.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah big dom aj brown there is big dom 200
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: million dollars and just like the complicated thing of like
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: we can still criticize sam dartle no problem A little
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: tougher in Philly for them to criticize the Super Bowl MVP.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: The guy that's been great in two Super Bowls.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: It twists them into nuts. No, he's not bad. He's
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: not bad. He's seen the Super Bowl. I'm like, yeah,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: but I've seen every other game too. Yeah, but they
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: got nothing to gain from thinking he's bad. No, of course.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: They have nothing to gain, right? He gets treated like
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: a draft pick.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: There's nothing to gain from saying your draft pick isn't
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: going to be good.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Might as well lean in.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they are committed. They have walked down the aisle,
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: signed the prenup. No prenup. They are locked in.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: They're in.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: And the other thing is, for all the criticisms we
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: have of him, go get somebody better.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Right, it's hard. Go find them. It ain't that easy.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: It ain't that easy.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Now, John Harbaugh, speaking of going down the aisle, is
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: now the head coach of the New York Giants.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: This feels very look-the-part, right?
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Like, John Harbaugh seemed absolutely like the sort of guy
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: the Giants would want to hire. They rolled up to
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: his crib with all the people. And the stuff that's
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: leaking out about this is hilarious in, like, listen to
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: this call.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Dan Rossini tweeted this, okay?
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: The Giants had John Mara, Steve Tisch, Chris Mara, Joe Shane,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Tim McDonald, and Brandon Brown with John Harbaugh.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: I know who, like, three of those people are.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: One source familiar with the meeting noted Harbaugh's level of
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: engagement saying, quote, he never looked at his phone.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: He was locked in. It's a goddamn job interview. Are
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: you serious?
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: And that's an old man, by the way. Like if
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: you wanted to use that standard for a teenager, maybe.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: Correct. Like I'm addicted to my phone. That man is
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: 62 years old. 63, 63 years old. Like, I hope
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: he's not as addicted to my phone as, as his
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: phone is. Jackson dart might, might be like, yeah, that
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: is a, that is a low bar to clear for,
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: for John Harbaugh, but congratulations. He cleared it.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: This whole thing with him is reminding me of a line.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: I can't remember where I read this, but it was
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: about war. And it says that generals are, are always
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: fighting the last war, right?
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: So like, for example. I like that.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: At the airport, we go through all the rigmarole that
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: we go through. And by the way, I'm okay with it.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying stop, but it is to prevent something.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: It's the last war. Like, I don't think the next
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: frontier of this is at the airport, right? But we
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: got to fight that war though. Like, keep on doing it,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: but we're fighting the last war, okay?
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I think there's something somewhat analogous to hiring the 64-year-old
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: head coach under these circumstances. I don't have a great
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: answer for you for why exactly it did not work
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: in the end in Baltimore. However, this was an outfit
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: that blew a lot of games, right? They did a
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: lot of things that if their coach had been a
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: different person, they might have been trying to get out
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: of there a little bit sooner. It's very similar to
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: what I said about Tomlin. Tomlin got to quit. Anybody
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: else would have got fired. after that last loss they had.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: The Giants are not.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: This doesn't feel like Andy Reid, right?
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Because Andy Reid, at least you could argue, was like
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: this offensive visionary who was at the point of basically
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: retooling what it was that he had done, like a
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: comedian redoing his act. Came up with this new offense
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: that was much more like a college offense. that worked
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: with Alex Smith and Patrick Mahomes. And by the way,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: we're about to start have to ask some questions about
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Andy Reid's old ass now, you know, as.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: We go into the future.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: But the excitement about getting John Harbaugh feels a little
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: misplaced to me.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I think he's been a very good coach.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that means he will be a
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: very good coach.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I completely agree with you.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: And you don't want to be ageist, but there is like,
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: it's a young man's game.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: We were talking, you know, like Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: is a crazy person. And he is sleeping at the
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: facility sometimes and grinding long hours and doing all these
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: things and joking about, like, when was Christmas? Like, I
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: don't know if that's what John Harbaugh is still doing.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: And that's not to say that maybe he needs to and, like,
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: works smarter, not harder and all that. But I think it's, like,
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: so many coaches get hired and then you find out, oh,
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: you can't do the job.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: You got– you were, you were where you were as
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: a coordinator, but you can't handle the pressure. You can't
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: handle the media. You can't handle the game day situations,
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: whatever the case may be. John Harbaugh can do the job.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: So you're not, you think you're not going to be
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: embarrassed by it, but what just happened with Pete Carroll?
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: You know, like, like I, and I hated the Pete
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Carroll hire at the time. And I remember going back
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: and forth with Colin about it. And it was like,
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: he's like, Pete Carroll's a great coach. I'm like, I
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: don't know that I'd hire a guy that old to
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: try to relate to a 23-year-old. It strikes me as
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: a risky thing to do. Can John Harbaugh coach? Will
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: he embarrass you? Of course not. But is it the
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: best possible thing to maximize? If you really believe in
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Jackson Dart and you have Jackson Dart and Malik Nabors
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: on rookie contracts, Is it the best possible thing to
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: maximize the most valuable time of Jackson Dart's contract?
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: I have a very hard time believing that it is.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: So I think the question about Dart comes down to
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: how you feel about Malkin, right? Because, hey, he's the
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: guy that coordinated the offense where Jameis Winston threw for
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: 5,000 yards. Lamar Jackson, two-time first-team All-Pro. With him and
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: some unreal numbers. Now, Jackson Dart is not Lamar Jackson.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Let's be clear about that.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: But if you think that he's a good guy to
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: work with quarterbacks and there's a fair point to have there,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: then maybe Harbaugh is the guy because he's also the guy.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Mock is not going to be anybody's head coach. So
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: this could be your steady option as offensive.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Coordinator, perhaps.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: My overall question about the Giants really is how good
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: is this roster? Because one thing that John Harbaugh has
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: never really had to do is try to do more
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: with less. That's just never been the situation that he's had.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: I know the giants have all those guys that can
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: rush the passer, but I feel like this is a
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: do more with less situation.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: If it's going, if they're going to get this done.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: Well, but like, let's think about that though. Like if
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: you have Thibodeau Burns and Carter, who can all rush
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: the passer at an elite level.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll see about Carter. Yeah. At the, at the, yes.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Fair enough.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: But at the, at the end it looked better.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Um, Malik neighbors when he played was a stud. Like
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: he looked like he, he looked like, I was like, okay,
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: well he's awesome. Like, you know, there's some like head
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: on straight, whatever Malik neighbors looks right.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Awesome.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: His head seems to be all perfectly straight. He looked,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: he looked around and was like, what is this bum shit?
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Y'all got me stuck.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: He seemed like the new AJ Brown.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Like, like y'all see this, right? All right. Okay.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Then. So, If you've got a stud receiver and stud
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: pass rushers, I just have doubts about Jackson Dart. Jackson
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Dart's like, I've been playing football this way my whole life. Well, congratulations.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Now you're in the NFL.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: You can't just be getting concussions and then coming back
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: from your concussions and playing the same way and lowering
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: your head into 250-pound linebackers who run a 4-4.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: It's going to happen again.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Hey, how about I got doubts about him even if
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: he doesn't do that like i have i have not
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: been nearly as impressed with him as i think there's
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: a desire again what's the point of dogging out your
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: new guy right they got this thing going where they
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: had him and he was handing the ball.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: To a white dude, you know how excited they get, man.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: You live up here. You've seen it.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: You've heard it around the office with the cats that
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: run the cameras. You know what I'm saying?
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they love that, right?
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: But there's... The idea that I see Jackson Dart and
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I think we, this is definitely, no, no.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: This isn't if you took a job that had Drake May.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: This isn't if you took a job that had Caleb
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Williams or Jaden Daniels. Like, I don't think that he's
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: a player of this caliber. Like there's a, we saw
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: CJ Stroud.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: How about this?
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: We saw CJ Stroud look excellent. And now we're out
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: here asking the questions about him that we're asking. And
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: I would be much more sold on CJ Stroud from
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: what I saw of him than I am of Jackson Dart.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: I agree completely.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, easier to move on, I guess, from Jackson
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Dart if you get there and realize he's not the
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: guy because it's a late first-round pick. It's going to
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: be harder to move on from Cam Ward. Whoever gets
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: the Titans job, you're probably invested in Cam Ward for
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: two full seasons. You probably don't have to be as
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: invested in Jackson Dart for that long if you're Harbaugh. Also, again, Harbaugh,
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: 63 years old, you don't want to sit out a year.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: So it's like, okay, they got deep pockets. He probably
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: got $ 15 million a year or more. Maybe the numbers
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: have come out. I apologize if it hasn't.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: I missed it.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: But got a ton of money, cashed in, live in
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: New York City, winnable division, I guess. Like Philly dysfunction,
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: Dallas dysfunction, Washington, we'll see. Like winnable division, New York City,
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: a ton of money, a decent amount of talent, and
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: you roll the dice on Jackson Dart and your guy
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Todd Munkin. The best job available is the job you
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: just left, right, in Baltimore. So of the other eight
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: jobs that are open, is there a job better than
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: the Giants job if you're taking one this cycle?
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: I would say no.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: I would argue the Steelers job is the best job
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: just because you're going to get the time. Like as
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: a job, you've gotten the time. Is it the best team?
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Is it the best present day situation? That's a different question,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: but the best job, the one where I bet you're
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: going to get six or seven years, right? I don't
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: know how bad you got to do to not get
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: those six or seven years. Right.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: We've never seen it.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: They're probably that job also probably was not available. To
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: John Harbaugh, given the Raven Steelers dynamic.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. But you had the right point.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Like, Woody Page once told a joke that after he
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: got divorced, he said he was going to marry the
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: richest woman that he could find.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: And so he married his ex-wife.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: You know, like, you know, like sometimes that's the way
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: it plays out. By the way, how bad must that
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: situation in Tennessee be? Because I think Cam Ward should
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: excite you like that should be. Oh, well, we got
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: this part straight.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: And I don't hear anybody talking about wanting to take
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: that job.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: Listen, if you're right about Cam Ward and you've got
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: a great quarterback talent in a winnable division with a
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: top five pick and good cap space, then yeah, it
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: should be a great job.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Cam Cam Ward's best highlights felt.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Unsustainable.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: And there is just no talent there.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. That's what I'm saying is the subtotal situation.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: They're like, you've got Tony Pollard.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: What?
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: I don't want Tony Pollard.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Quote of the year. If we keep it at a buck,
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: we ass.
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, like, like that's that.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: And he's the, he's the young guy who's walking in
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: just like, bro, what are we doing?
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: No, which is my, probably my favorite part of his
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: rookie year, which is like, okay, at least, at least
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: he's smart enough to know it. And he clearly is
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: very gifted physically, but sometimes you're just, there's so little
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: around you that it's hopeless, right? You know, so like
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: Joe Burrow gets Jamar Chase and he gets all these things.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: It's like, oh, OK. All of a sudden it went
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: from hopeless to you're in a great spot. I don't
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: see a path forward right there in Tennessee.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: By the way, as we were talking about Scatterboo, somebody
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: sent me a text that is Jameis on New Heights
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: talking about Scatterboo. And I can't wait to end this
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: show and go listen to what that is. I can
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: I can only imagine what. And honestly, it may be
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: the sort of thing that if a white person said
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: it would get them fired. It's totally on the board.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Todo es posible when Jameis is on the mic.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: I saw a Jameis clip that said he abstained from
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: sex during his contract year. I'm like, I don't remember
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: the $ 200 million contract that you signed. What? So I
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: don't know if you're bragging, but talking about your all-time backfires.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: That feels like the moral of the story was it
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: ain't worth it.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right? Cool.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, goodness.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: I was going to say take the bird in the hand,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: and that's a phrase that I often use without bringing
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: on the second part, but the second part will have
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: a whole different sort of resonance given the discussion that
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: we're having.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Danny Park is mad. Check that boy out over there.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: at First Things First on FS1. My man, I appreciate you.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Bo, as always, a good time, man.
• 55:02
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