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Lunch with the Clydesdale - Do Grown Men Need to Shake Hands After Competing? · Clydesdale Media Podcast

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I love the chase and the hunt and
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I set the pace when I'm running.
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I always take what I want and I
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always give it one hundred.
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Don't need a bank, no I'm funded.
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Play the game like it's nothing.
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I'm always thankful for something.
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Don't take for granted, stay humble.
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Now wake up!
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It's time to look at the enemy.
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Look in the mirror if he is no
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friend to me.
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It's not working out,
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maybe it's the chemistry.
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It's time to break up.
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What is going on everybody?
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Welcome to Lunch with Clydesdale.
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So freaking stoked to be here with you
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today.
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Lots of bears talking in the chat already.
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Am I muted?
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Am I muted?
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Let me double check my audio real quick.
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It says I'm good.
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Okay.
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So, um,
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I was actually just lip syncing with the
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pre-loaded sound, guys.
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That's all.
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So I probably threw you off.
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Anyway.
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So there it is.
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Yeah, I was lip syncing.
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I really threw you all off.
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Anyway,
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I'm so stoked to be here with you.
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The Bears had one hell of a playoff
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game this weekend.
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So much fun to watch for the second
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half.
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The first half was painful.
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And then as they have done six previous
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times,
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came back from a big deficit to end
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up winning the game.
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I cannot believe we're having the season
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we're having.
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The throws that Caleb made in that game
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were mind-boggling.
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The talent on this team is something I'm
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not used to.
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But what I wanted to talk about briefly,
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I was kind of hoping Corey was going
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to jump on today because I wanted a
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little back and forth,
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but we'll do it this way.
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And that is, you know,
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they have this miraculous comeback.
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And if you're not a Bears fan or
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a Packers fan,
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it is the oldest rivalry in the NFL.
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The towns are only...
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...forty-five minutes apart.
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It is insane.
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Married couples are split.
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It is just the oldest rivalry.
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The owners of the Bears...
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have said over and over again they really
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don't care about the season as long as
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they beat the peckers it is it is
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like a college-esque rivalry so um so
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anyway at the end of the game i'm
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going to share my screen and there and
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you know customarily uh the coaches come
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to midfield and do a handshake and so
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uh i'm going to share
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this video with you guys I think this
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is it okay so that is Matt LaFleur
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you can see there he is the head
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coach of the Green Bay Packers you'll see
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Ben Ben Johnson come in and go to
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shake his hand and I'm going to hit
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play here and this is the fuss that
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has gone on that's a very cursory
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handshake oh love lost between these
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So,
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everybody's calling it the blow-by
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handshake.
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My question is, when did we care?
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When did it become a mandate that we
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had to go shake our opponents' hands after
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a game?
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I get it for like eight, nine,
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ten-year-olds in Little League that it's
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part of sportsmanship.
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And at that age,
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you shouldn't be taking things so
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seriously.
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But these guys are getting paid to beat
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one another.
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They have both admitted they do not like
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one another.
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They do not like the other team.
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Why is it that we then have to
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mandate that they actually come to the
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middle of the field after sixty minutes of
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battling each other out,
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whooping each other's ass,
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and then you have to come to the
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middle of the field and have a handshake?
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And then we read into, well,
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he blew by.
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They didn't stop and have a conversation.
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They don't like each other.
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Dick Vitale,
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the longtime ESPN basketball analyst,
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said that Ben Johnson ruined the magic of
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the comeback by doing this blow-off
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handshake and in a post-game locker room
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celebration said, F the Packers.
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I think Dick Vitale is way too old
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to be in touch with what's going on
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in the world.
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It is pure insanity to me that we
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put any relevance on any of this stuff.
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I love that we hate the Packers.
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I love that the Packers hate us.
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It means more when we beat the Packers,
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especially when we beat the Packers in the
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playoffs and come back from a twenty one
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to three deficit and come all the way
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back to win the game.
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I want my coach to say F the
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Packers.
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I want my coach to...
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And I just got done watching his press
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conference this morning,
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and he is standing by it all.
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He said he knows what this rivalry means.
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He knows what it means to the city
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of Chicago, and he hates that team.
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And everything he does is about beating
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that team.
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it just boggles my mind that we treat
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professional athletes who get paid like
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they're an eight-year-old little nigger
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that has to go to school with Tommy
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tomorrow,
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so let's go shake his hand and say
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good game.
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So I ask you, uh,
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Chet Anufi, I see it on every level.
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It's like the world wants to rid sports
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of competition, battle,
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healthy aggression, sad state of affairs.
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Kenneth DeLapp, God forbid men be men.
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Well, and here's this,
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and I'm going to try to apply this
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to like the CrossFit world.
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I think one thing that the CrossFit space
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is missing is
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is good old-fashioned trash talking where
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two competitors don't like one another.
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And we came close to that, I think,
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with Laura and Tia,
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but it never came to full resolution
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because of Tia's pregnancy and then Laura
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boycotting the games.
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And so I find that when the trash
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talking is there and we have this sports
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hate, it's not life hate,
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it's sports hate for another team.
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It actually adds intrigue and it adds
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drama to the game that we're watching.
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And it makes things way more exciting.
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Way more exciting.
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And I think that that's one thing that
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CrossFit needs to add.
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And Jody here is saying that I,
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you know,
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Scott wanted to see a cat fight typical
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guy.
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I didn't,
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I don't care if it's on the men's
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side or the women's side.
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i've said on the show over and over
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again i want laura back in the games
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i want this competition it sucks that tia
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is pregnant and it sucks that probably
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laura isn't going to compete this year in
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the game season but i wanted that back
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i want to see some kind of intrigue
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and drama and trash talking between two
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athletes
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And we almost had it with Ricky and
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Matt.
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And then Ricky popped for steroids.
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And now Ricky's come back a much gentler
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and nicer Ricky.
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So now we don't have that bad guy
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to root for.
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But the reason I kind of brought this
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up is... And here's court.
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Let me...
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I can say with full chest F the
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Falcons.
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I also hope Liverpool lose every match
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they play.
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Right.
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We have these things.
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You know,
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I can also say I root for two
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college football teams.
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I root for Penn State and whoever Ohio
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State is playing.
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I can do that too.
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But
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Last night,
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we were doing the Sunday night show,
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and we brought up a pencil, pen,
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and sharpie about will Pat Vellner return
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for the twenty-six CrossFit Games season.
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And a lot of people said pencil.
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A couple people said pen.
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I said sharpie.
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And it's probably more hopeful than
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anything, right?
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And Larry Young was in the chat and
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he said that all the people that decided
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not to do the twenty five CrossFit game
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season,
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he just doesn't care about anymore and
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doesn't want to root for anymore.
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And he's entitled to that opinion.
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And that's a fine opinion.
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I personally want everybody back together
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so we have the best athletes in the
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space going up against each other.
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But I want to ask Larry this.
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If you don't like Pat Vellner anymore
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because he did that,
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why not welcome him back and root against
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him?
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Rooting against somebody sometimes has
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more passion than rooting for somebody.
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And if you have someone that you really
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like and someone that you think is
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awesome,
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you can root for that person to beat
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the person you dislike.
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Instead of saying,
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let's not welcome them back,
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why not welcome them back and root for
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them to lose if that's the opinion you
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have?
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That's not necessarily my opinion.
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I think that Pat has done so much
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for this sport over his tenure that if
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he had one week that made him one
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year that he decided to do one thing,
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I'm not going to discredit all the good
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he's done for the sport.
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And it's funny because Kenneth actually
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brought up my next point.
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Just make him a heel,
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even if it's only in your mind.
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Yeah,
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like if you grew up like me watching
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wrestling all the time,
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when your favorite wrestler turned heel,
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it was shocking.
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It was shocking when they went heel,
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and you had to make the choice,
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do I now root for the bad guy
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that's the heel,
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or do I root against my old favorite
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who turned heel and hope that he loses?
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Either way,
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it's generally a passionate decision.
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And I think it adds intrigue to the
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drama and the storyline of the event.
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Larry Young says WWF versus WCW.
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I think it's even more than that.
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Like when Hulk Hogan went heel,
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that was a huge dramatic thing in the
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world of wrestling and probably sports.
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Hulk Hogan, the all-American hero,
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saying his prayers and eating his vitamins
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and doing all that kind of stuff.
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And when he turned heel,
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the wrestling world lost its damn mind.
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And if you watch the Vince McMahon
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documentary,
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it was the pivot point that actually made
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WCW a viable contender to the WWE.
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And so when these things happen,
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you can capitalize on them and make things
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more popular.
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So Larry responds, I like Pat.
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He was one of my favorites,
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but when they change leagues,
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it's like baseball.
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I pay attention to my league.
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And I'm not, again, like Larry,
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I get why you feel the way you
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do and it's fine.
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I just ask you,
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why not want him back so you can
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then root against him?
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I think that brings more and more passion
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to the table.
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And you're going to have people like
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Ortega who still love Pat.
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And that's what makes it great, right?
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Then you have these discussions and these
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debates and things on shows like this or
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live in an event when you love someone
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and they hate somebody and you're rooting
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for and against the same person.
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Chelsea Miller.
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Honestly,
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how great is it when fee beats Danielle
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Brandon in a workout?
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It makes so much,
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it makes it so much better.
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See, I think that's a great point,
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Chelsea.
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And it's one that I forgot to bring
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up.
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So thank you so much for that.
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The fee Danielle thing is real.
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Like fee is in the comments,
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making her points.
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And Fee is not the person I would
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have suspected to be the antagonist with
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Danielle Brandon.
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But it's cool because they are polar
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opposites from one another.
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Fee is one of the nicest people you
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will ever meet.
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And her public persona matches that.
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Danielle Brandon's public persona is let's
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burn the house down.
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And it is a perfect yin and yang
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thing.
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What would make it epic is if he
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got to a point where she was with
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competitive with Danielle on the regular.
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What,
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See,
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what makes the rivalry even better is when
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both teams are on the same level.
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For years,
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the Packers whooped up on the Bears.
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We were the nail to their hammer,
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and it was not a good rivalry.
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The Bears have turned things around.
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In the last five games,
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they are up three to two,
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and all five games have come down to
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the final two minutes.
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That is a good rivalry.
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That means something.
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When you get someone,
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and this is completely hypothetical,
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I am not putting this out into the
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universe, but just say,
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Jason Hopper and Dallin Pepper have a
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falling out.
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And they're both on the same level,
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and now they hate each other,
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and it becomes this interesting,
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dramatic moment
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thing that happens in the sport.
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What I loved about CrossFit when I first
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came in is that it was a very
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supportive community and very wholesome.
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And fifteen years in, I'm like, man,
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I just want a little bit of a
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little bit of edge,
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a little bit of an edge in the
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sports side, not in the like,
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I want to lose weight or I want
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to get strong and I go to my
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affiliate every single day.
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In the sport,
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I just want a little bit more of
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that fee Danielle thing that happens.
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So.
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Joseph Ramirez,
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I wanted Pat to win the games at
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one point.
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Now I hope he doesn't make it to
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the games.
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See, I want him back,
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and I want him to make the games,
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and I want him to be a disruptor.
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Mark Phillips is still on the Uncle Pat
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train.
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See, we have all these differing opinions.
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That's what makes this beautiful.
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You guys are making my point so eloquently
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in these comments.
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I think it is awesome.
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Larry says, but if Pat comes back,
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I won't hope he does bad.
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But yes,
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I cheer for someone to beat Laura.
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Chelsea brings up,
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I think Laura and Gabby are the closest
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we have to that.
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That one I actually had in my mind
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as a potential great rivalry.
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But Laura has to compete in the game
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season.
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She has to to make it mean something.
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Vicky, a little drama is good for sports.
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I totally, totally agree.
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Totally agree.
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Corey says,
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I still stand on Jeff Adler saying,
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I don't give a shit who wins the
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next event so long as it isn't him.
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About and to Matt Frazier in the twenty
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twenty CrossFit Games.
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That's the kind of energy we need.
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And I don't want it to be that
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that's all the energy.
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We just need some.
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We just need some good energy.
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That's when Jeff was cool.
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Larry says you open.
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Now I could get way fitter and it's
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not to show if more people sign up
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with it just being all light cardio.
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Okay.
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Um, so yeah.
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Um,
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That was like the main thing I wanted
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to talk about.
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The last thing on my bears,
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the one thing that's blowing my mind is
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I actually have a team with a quarterback
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who has an it factor.
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That has never been the case in my
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lifetime.
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Jim McMahon for a year or two,
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but then he got broken down too much.
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But other than that,
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the Bears have never had a quarterback
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with a nit factor.
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And to watch Caleb Williams every week do
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the stuff that he does is off the
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chain amazing.
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Um, and I just, I love it.
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I love the, the bullish attitude,
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you know, in his press conference,
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speaking about what we did, you know,
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he said the Packers wanted us.
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They wanted us.
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They kept saying they wanted us.
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Well,
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they got us and we're here to stay.
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That's the quarterback I want.
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Um,
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Vicky,
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every great movie needs a protagonist and
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an antagonist.
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Sometimes it's a full-on villain.
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Sometimes it's not quite as in your face.
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But both are needed for a great story.
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Couldn't have said that better myself.
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Corey,
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just need someone with that kind of energy
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to shake things up.
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Someone to say, you know what?
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F that guy.
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Larry said,
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Jeff was cool when talking shit in
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Russian.
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Here's what I think about Jeff.
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We didn't get the real Jeff last year.
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Jeff was hurt.
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Jeff was working through some things,
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and because of that,
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he wasn't able to give everything he had
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at last year's games.
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I hope we get the Jeff from Rogue.
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The Jeff from Rogue was talking smack.
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He was getting some confidence back.
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I hope that he gets whatever injuries he's
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been working through healed in time for
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the
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Um,
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because I think him added to the mix
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right now, we have this group of guys,
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uh,
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the boys interrupted group that all hang
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out together, that all support each other,
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that all do all of that stuff, right?
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Jeff doesn't hang out with them.
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It's not that they hate each other.
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It's not that they dislike each other.
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He's just not part of that clique, right?
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And at least it gives us that.
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This guy that can disrupt what they have
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going on over here, this group of four.
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Because a group of four could dominate for
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a while as a group unless somebody like
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Jeff Adler or Colton Mertens or...
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Ricky Garrard or Jay Crouch jump into that
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mix and mess that up.
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So maybe it's more of a disruptor to
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the click than an individual versus
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individual thing.
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Yeah.
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Chelsea said Jeff was fully checked out at
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the games.
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I think once the,
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whatever he was going through went,
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he just knew he didn't have it to
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compete.
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And he lost a lot of motivation that
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weekend.
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And it was sad to see, you know,
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the one down thing of having the,
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the full access in the warmup area.
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I got to see him back there and
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his demeanor changed dramatically from day
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one to day two.
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And.
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That's why I was really hopeful at Rogue
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when he won.
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And in the process,
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you could tell there was more confidence
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in whatever body part was hurt,
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that he was able to get through that
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pain-free at the time.
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Chelsea also says, personally,
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I think the boys interrupted group may
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save Justin's career.
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I do not disagree with that statement
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whatsoever.
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But I do think that all the amazing
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things they are doing for the sport,
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and it's a lot.
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It is a lot.
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They are really going OG.
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James and Dallin and Jason doing all these
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videos and going with Dave to different
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events and all of that stuff.
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And Justin doing the tour of the
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affiliates on the way to Waterpalooza
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SoCal.
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And I think they're doing so much for
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the sport.
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But anytime you get that much attention,
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there's going to be content fatigue.
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So then there's going to be a group
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that want someone like a Jeff Adler or
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a Colton Mertens or a Jay Crouch to
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interrupt what's going on there.
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I don't know if it's going to happen
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this year.
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I don't know if it's going to happen
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next year.
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But at some point,
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people are going to start rooting for
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someone to kind of take that away from
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them.
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It's just the way sports are.
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When the Patriots won their first Super
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Bowl, I wanted them to win so bad.
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They had been bad for so long.
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And then they won their second.
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And then they won their third.
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And then I just wanted anybody to beat
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the Patriots.
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Um, and so that happens all the time.
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Same thing happened with the chiefs.
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The chiefs had been so bad for so
25:12
long.
25:13
I wanted them to win a super bowl
25:15
and then they start winning a lot.
25:17
And you're like, okay,
25:18
now it's been enough.
25:19
Now I need someone to come in and
25:21
stop you from doing this.
25:26
And I think because the boys interrupted
25:27
all hang out together,
25:29
we'd lump them together.
25:32
So they have won four of the last
25:36
five CrossFit games.
25:42
Is there going to be a point where
25:44
now we look at them as a group
25:45
and say,
25:46
I want somebody to disrupt this group of
25:49
four from continuing to win?
25:57
I think it's all how we look at
25:58
it from certain perspectives.
26:01
I'm a huge Dallin Pepper fan.
26:03
I've picked him to win the games this
26:04
year.
26:05
I think that's my pick,
26:07
and that's who I'm rooting for for this
26:09
season.
26:10
I hope that happens.
26:12
But at some point,
26:13
I just wonder if the fatigue of that
26:16
group hits people and they start rooting
26:19
against them instead of for them.
26:22
And maybe that won't happen.
26:23
You have people like Rich Froning who
26:25
people never got tired of.
26:29
Never got tired of.
26:32
You have people like Matt Fraser who
26:33
people got tired of.
26:36
People loved his brashness at the
26:38
beginning.
26:39
And then they just wanted somebody to
26:41
compete with him.
26:47
Ortega says,
26:48
I've never thought of them as a group.
26:49
I just see them as dudes with a
26:50
podcast like cars and comedians.
26:55
I disagree with you because I think they
26:57
train together when they can.
26:59
They go hang out together when they can.
27:03
And I think they truly are friends outside
27:06
of the podcast.
27:12
if you watch behind the scenes there in
27:14
the warmup areas together, they're doing,
27:18
I mean,
27:18
and then three of them are brute athletes.
27:20
They all are coached by the same people.
27:23
Justin is different.
27:24
He's coached by somebody else.
27:27
So I, I do,
27:29
I do think there will be a large
27:31
section of the CrossFit community that
27:33
look at them as,
27:36
as a group of four.
27:43
Mike DeVito,
27:44
they're the three amigos of CrossFit.
27:45
I would say the quattro amigos of
27:50
CrossFit.
27:53
But the plus side of this is,
27:55
and if you're a fan of them,
27:57
I think their friendship,
27:59
partnership has made them all better.
28:05
I think all four of them are better
28:06
athletes because of that friendship
28:08
relationship.
28:16
So I am sure it's doing them way
28:20
more good than bad.
28:22
I'm just saying there is a natural desire
28:25
for drama in sports.
28:28
And I think that any reason to dislike
28:31
somebody, to root against them,
28:32
you will find.
28:44
Wayne says,
28:45
I was surprised that the other three
28:47
didn't show up to support James's event
28:49
this weekend.
28:51
If you've watched any of their stuff
28:53
lately, they are so freaking busy.
28:57
I want to say one of them said
28:59
they're not even going to be home for
29:00
like three or four weeks.
29:05
Like the insanity of their schedules right
29:07
now with sponsors and stuff they're doing
29:12
for CrossFit and things like that is pure
29:15
insanity.
29:23
Chris Love,
29:24
the boys interrupted could be like the
29:25
four horsemen from WCW.
29:28
Very good analogy.
29:31
Very good analogy.
29:38
Mark Phillips,
29:38
we kind of had this with Olsen Smith
29:40
Mayer.
29:40
That would have been a good podcast team,
29:42
perhaps.
29:48
Possibly.
29:50
I don't know if they would be as
29:53
forthcoming as what these four have been.
29:57
These four have truly given us a peek
29:59
into what it's like to be an athlete
30:02
and what is required of athletes.
30:06
Way more than I think those three would
30:08
have led us into.
30:18
The Ortega,
30:19
Dallin and Jason were in Austin.
30:20
Justin is in California,
30:22
then doing stuff with CrossFit.
30:23
Yeah,
30:23
their schedules are like super crazy.
30:34
I mean,
30:36
James didn't even go watch his dad at
30:39
the Masters CrossFit Games because he had
30:42
a commitment to a friend's wedding.
30:46
Their schedules are so tight that they
30:50
have to make difficult decisions
30:51
sometimes.
31:05
I'm happy that CrossFit is actually
31:07
utilizing them.
31:09
That brings up a great point, Vicky.
31:12
I am so glad that CrossFit is utilizing
31:14
them.
31:16
I just wish CrossFit would do more
31:23
utilization of things that are going on.
31:26
You know,
31:26
we talked about it last night that this
31:28
week the U.S.
31:29
government flipped the food pyramid and is
31:33
waging war on added sugars and processed
31:36
carbohydrates.
31:39
There's been nothing posted by CrossFit
31:41
about that.
31:45
How can you not take advantage of the
31:48
media that is out about that right now?
31:52
The thing you've been fighting for since
31:54
the inception of this methodology is you
31:59
got a government agency to admit that it's
32:03
been right all along and nothing, nothing,
32:09
nothing on the CrossFit site
32:15
that I do think that the efforts with
32:19
the CrossFit media department have been
32:22
moving in the right direction,
32:23
but that's a big miss.
32:26
There it is right there.
32:32
Okay.
32:33
So Chattanooga,
32:34
he said they did post something today,
32:37
but when was that announced?
32:38
That was what Tuesday or Wednesday of last
32:41
week.
32:43
Tuesday or Wednesday of last week,
32:45
and it's taken you a week to get
32:47
something up?
32:51
It's just awful.
32:56
Ken Walters,
32:57
a private equity group before sale doesn't
32:59
want something possibly political
33:01
connected to it.
33:04
politically or there's,
33:06
there's so much political around the
33:09
CrossFit and what it is and who,
33:11
what it stands for.
33:13
You can't avoid it.
33:16
So why play dumb?
33:20
Playing dumb just is,
33:22
is not the way to, I don't know.
33:26
I'm,
33:34
Personally,
33:34
I just wanted to see a big I
33:35
told you so banner on their website.
33:42
Chattanooga agreed.
33:43
They're not a nimble team on socials and
33:45
it's unfortunate.
33:46
And I am sure that what Ken is
33:49
saying is partly correct,
33:51
that they are a private equity firm and
33:53
the levels of approval to get something
33:56
posted are probably something we cannot
33:59
understand.
34:01
I work for government.
34:02
I work for state government.
34:04
For me to post something publicly,
34:06
I have to get eighteen signatures on it
34:08
before I can do it.
34:10
It's so stupid.
34:13
And I'm sure that the private equity firm
34:15
is doing the same thing to them,
34:16
handcuffing them in what they can post.
34:23
But this has been like the North Star
34:26
of this company forever.
34:29
to then not even acknowledge that you got
34:32
one of the biggest wins you could ever
34:34
get should have been exempted in all of
34:40
that sign-off shit.
34:43
All of it.
34:49
I'm Mike DeVito.
34:50
This is the HQ staff that did literally
34:52
nothing with the decision in the courts
34:54
proving NSCA lied.
34:58
They collected the settlement money.
35:00
They did that part.
35:01
Mike.
35:04
Vicki agreed.
35:05
They need to embrace it.
35:21
Yeah.
35:25
Everyone went gaga over the new marketing
35:27
lady at HQ,
35:29
but she's been AWOL on everything.
35:32
I wouldn't say AWOL on everything, Jody.
35:34
They are posting stuff.
35:38
And this has been kind of my thing
35:42
for the last couple weeks on the shows
35:43
is that I do think it's heading in
35:46
a direction that is positive.
35:48
Do I think it's fast enough?
35:50
No.
35:51
Do I think it is accurate enough?
35:55
No.
35:56
Do I think it's getting the job done
35:58
fully?
35:59
No.
36:00
I do think it's missing parts.
36:02
I do think it can be tweaked in
36:03
a better way.
36:06
But they're like in the last week after
36:11
I bitched about no marketing for the open
36:14
in the last week,
36:15
they've been blowing up socials with the
36:17
open stuff.
36:21
Um,
36:21
so they are doing stuff and they are
36:23
creating stuff.
36:23
It's just taking more time than I would
36:26
like.
36:27
And it's not necessarily exactly what I
36:28
would want it to be.
36:40
Vicky sums it up better than I did
36:41
a better than it was not as good
36:43
as it could be.
36:47
Yeah.
36:51
Just another example,
36:52
the buyer's having no clue what CrossFit
36:54
is.
37:01
Chattanoofy,
37:02
there's also a post on Instagram about a
37:06
newborn only being comforted by being held
37:09
while doing air squats because the mom did
37:11
CrossFit through her pregnancy.
37:17
I'm okay with that stuff being out there,
37:19
but there's also important stuff that's
37:21
being missed.
37:28
I am sure that is not the case,
37:30
Ken Walters.
37:31
I am sure.
37:31
I'm sure it was just timing.
37:41
This isn't the CrossFit of old where it
37:42
was owned by one person.
37:44
I know.
37:44
And that's why I'm saying, Ortega,
37:46
that like I work for government,
37:48
which is a big entity and everything is
37:50
political that we talk about.
37:52
Everything takes eighteen levels of
37:54
approval.
37:55
And I'm sure the board of directors at
37:57
CrossFit want the same thing that I deal
37:59
with every day.
38:06
Chattanooga Wasted is a big pop culture
38:08
page.
38:09
I'm saying CrossFit HQ should have
38:11
reshared it.
38:14
That's the stuff that really kind of gets
38:16
me.
38:18
And I think Hiller's brought it up in
38:19
the past.
38:20
They want to recreate,
38:22
like the Tyson Bajent thing when he went
38:25
to his press conference talking about
38:28
CrossFit.
38:30
About when he retires from the NFL,
38:32
he wants to be a CrossFit coach and
38:34
become jacked.
38:37
They went and they scheduled a meeting
38:39
with them.
38:40
They scheduled a shoot.
38:41
They did all this stuff.
38:43
It took like three months to get it
38:44
out.
38:45
They could have just reshared that video.
38:48
And they never did.
38:49
They never did.
38:50
Could have just reshared this.
38:54
Tagged it with a little phrase,
38:56
reshared it.
38:59
And they don't.
38:59
They don't.
39:00
They waste their time trying to polish
39:04
everything up.
39:07
And when it could just be a simple
39:09
reshare.
39:15
When that came out,
39:16
they should have just shared the clip of
39:20
saying,
39:21
we are waging war on processed sugar and
39:25
on new added sugar and processed
39:27
carbohydrates.
39:28
Just that clip.
39:30
Post it.
39:31
Don't need to add anything to it.
39:33
Don't need to polish it.
39:35
Just post that clip of those eight words
39:40
or whatever it is.
39:41
We are waging war against added sugar and
39:44
processed carbohydrates.
39:46
That's it.
39:48
Eight seconds.
39:52
That's it.
39:59
uh vicky asks is it me or does
40:01
it feel does it sometimes feel like there
40:03
are two different trains riding on the
40:04
same track when it comes to crossfit
40:06
socials uh i chattanooga agrees with you
40:16
um uh vicky says social media sometimes
40:22
feels bipolar it doesn't feel like things
40:24
are being stated from one entity
40:27
Well,
40:27
I do think that there's a sports side.
40:30
There is a training and methodology side
40:35
that don't always go hand in hand,
40:38
but they should be at least like on
40:40
parallel tracks.
40:49
I think that I hear what you're saying
40:53
about the political thing.
40:55
But the nutrition aspect of this,
40:57
you have been fighting as an entity for
41:01
twenty five years.
41:04
And you won.
41:05
You got a win that nobody ever thought
41:08
would happen.
41:12
Just share it.
41:18
It's not political.
41:19
It's just something that happened that
41:21
agrees with what you have posted your
41:25
theory of nutrition to be.
41:32
You know what?
41:32
It doesn't matter what you post, Andrew.
41:34
You're going to piss somebody off
41:35
regardless.
41:38
You can put out the most benign post
41:40
ever and it is going to piss somebody
41:42
off.
41:43
So fear of pissing people off is a
41:46
very bad way to go about things.
41:50
If you're worried about pissing people
41:51
off, you're going to speak to no one.
41:58
You say it was Greg fighting,
41:59
not the current owners,
42:00
but they are still posting.
42:03
They made shirts just at last year's games
42:05
about the meat and veggies,
42:08
and it's on a shirt saying,
42:09
eat meat and vegetables.
42:11
They still post the fitness in a hundred
42:14
words,
42:15
which starts with the nutrition piece.
42:18
So you can say it was Greg,
42:19
but they are standing by it in other
42:21
ways.
42:22
Why wouldn't you take this win?
42:26
That would be the biggest marketing ploy
42:28
ever.
42:29
We've had the answer for twenty five
42:30
years.
42:31
People are finally following suit.
42:34
Come check it out at our box.
42:48
I can rant all I want,
42:49
but that's the nature of business.
42:53
Well,
42:54
I rant because that's why I do a
42:55
podcast.
42:57
And yes,
42:58
there are a lot of companies that fail.
43:01
But there are also a lot of companies
43:02
that don't.
43:05
And we've talked about this in the past.
43:06
If you don't have a North Star or
43:09
you don't have that thing to fight for,
43:13
you're not going to matter.
43:16
You're not going to matter.
43:17
Nobody's going to give a shit what you
43:19
have to say if you stand for nothing.
43:25
If you want to stand by the affiliates
43:27
and you want to give them the marketing
43:30
they deserve being a part of your
43:32
affiliate system,
43:33
you need to stand for something.
43:35
And the thing you have stood for for
43:38
twenty five years was agreed to by a
43:41
government agency.
43:45
And if there was any time at all
43:47
where you were going to then stand for
43:51
something,
43:52
you could have shared that post.
43:55
You didn't make the post.
43:57
You just shared the post.
44:00
And if you piss off somebody,
44:02
so be it.
44:03
But there are a ton of people out
44:04
there looking for answers.
44:06
And those answers came in that statement.
44:10
And how to get those answers every day
44:13
is to go to an affiliate and learn
44:15
more.
44:17
And there it was.
44:18
It was all out there for you.
44:20
And you let it go by.
44:24
Or you waited a week for it to
44:25
go by.
44:28
I still haven't seen what they put out
44:29
today.
44:30
I'll have to go look for it.
44:32
But again, they just waited too damn long.
44:46
Vicky says exactly.
44:47
Scott PE is very scared of pissing people
44:48
off instead of just embracing the history
44:51
and methodology and letting that story
44:52
ring true.
44:56
And I'll just end it with,
44:58
if you don't stand for anything,
45:01
nobody's going to give a shit.
45:13
Larry says, Andrew,
45:14
after almost every podcast,
45:16
I think I just need to stop commenting,
45:18
but I'm like,
45:19
someone needs to say this after,
45:21
after I'm like, Larry, no one cares.
45:23
Just be quiet.
45:24
Listen, Larry.
45:27
You motivated this podcast today about
45:33
having rivalries and wanting to root
45:35
against people because of a comment you
45:37
made last night.
45:38
Don't think that it doesn't make an
45:39
impact.
45:40
It made an impact.
45:41
I literally was laying in bed last night
45:43
like,
45:43
that's what I need to do the show
45:45
on.
45:45
I need to do it on that.
45:47
Of course,
45:48
there was the handshake that kind of added
45:50
to that and the whole Pat Vellner
45:53
discussion.
45:54
But your comments, actually,
45:56
I listen to them all.
45:58
And I think about them in the evening.
46:00
And I think about them when I'm creating
46:01
these shows and coming up with topics for
46:03
us to talk about.
46:05
So never,
46:05
ever feel like nobody cares or nobody's
46:08
listening.
46:09
You inspired what we did today on this
46:11
show.
46:13
Just with your comments last night about
46:15
not liking the athletes that sat out last
46:18
year.
46:22
I appreciate all your comments.
46:24
But we're a hangout show.
46:26
We're going to have differing opinions.
46:28
And I love that we get to hang
46:30
out and discuss them right here on the
46:32
show each and every day.
46:34
Half of the stuff we talked about today
46:36
wasn't even in a note.
46:37
I've got notes that we never even touched.
46:40
But I love this because we talked about
46:43
the stuff you guys wanted to talk about.
46:47
So.
46:50
Thank you for participating.
46:51
Continue to participate.
46:53
And Andrew Sten knows that I just like
46:56
to talk about him.
46:58
I talk about stuff with him.
47:00
Uh, I've known Andrew for a long time.
47:02
We have the same debates and discussions
47:05
in person that we do in this chat.
47:09
I appreciate his opinion and he's probably
47:11
right in most cases with companies not
47:13
doing what they should do.
47:16
Um,
47:19
But anyway, it is what it is.
47:21
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47:24
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