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Folk State of the Union: Rissi Palmer, Rose Cousins, Kaïa Kater & Jobi Riccio Live on Cayamo, ep. 343 · Basic Folk

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hello and welcome to Basic Folk, where we have honest conversations with folk musicians on the bluegrass situation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's me, Cindy House, you're host.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So happy to have you here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Today we have our final recording from the Kiamo Cruise.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a round table with some of our favorites, Risi Palmer Rose Cousins, Kaya Cater and Joby Richio doing a sort of folk state of the union.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's get into it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, is this not an excuse to get the girlies together if we've ever heard one?
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[SPEAKER_03]: For our final live interview aboard the Kamo Cruz, we arranged a check-in with some of our favorite folks to talk about the state of folk music, which includes folk adjacent music.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We have Country Artist and Hosts of Color Me Country Radio on Apple Music, Recipe Palmer, Canadian Sweet Hearts, Rose Cousins, and Kaya Cater, and Joby Riccio.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's just get right into it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We talk about a lot of different topics.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a really inspiring,
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[SPEAKER_03]: and fun and serious conversation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We speak to the function of folk songwriting in modern times, the hope and confidence of generation Z, the inspiration taken from elders, the fact that there are black people in the future.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Hat Tip Alice Randall.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's get into it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's the folk state of the union recorded live on the Kiamo Cruz on basic folk.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Good morning.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to Coffee and Conversation with Basic Folk.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is the last day, so we're there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My name is Cindy House.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm Lizzy No and we are the hosts of Basic Folk on the Bluegrass situation podcast network.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Am I correct in saying that everybody on this stage right now has been a guest of the pot in the past?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: At least once.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So these are these are our besties on board.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we brought them on board to have a little round table.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But before we get into that, I just want to say that if you are not familiar with BGS or the Bluegrass situation, we're a media organization that have articles, video, social media,
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[SPEAKER_03]: And basic folk is a part of the bluegrass situation where podcasts we have honest conversations with folk musicians.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we have been on Kamo.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is our third voyage.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Our third adventure with you all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, give it up for all of you for welcoming us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We talked to Doz, Abraham Alexander, and Caches Colpeper, and then we'll be releasing this conversation if it goes well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No pressure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No pressure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So today, we're asking the question, what is the folks on four?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that the correct grammar?
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[SPEAKER_03]: We have any?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Grammar, OK. All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I have a literature degree.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I should have asked you before I submitted it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: OK.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So here we go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've, so first of all, let's introduce our panel.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We have JoBi Riccio.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hello, JoBi.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Rose Cousins.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Pia Cater.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And my mother is here today, Recy Palmer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah!
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah!
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah!
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[SPEAKER_03]: Fun fact, Recy and I traded earrings before we came on stage.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Aren't they cute?
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[SPEAKER_03]: To post to say anything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She looks fab.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She looks fab.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're just perfect for our outfits.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so let's get into it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We have noticed some folk songs coming out recently about moving forward and persevering just by living in some hard times and it seems like the folk zeitgeist is coming together to collectively say something and we'd like to explore like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: What's happening with folk musicians at this time?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What is the function of folk songwriting in modern times in the year 2026?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is it for comfort, information, inspiration?
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[SPEAKER_06]: We believe that folk music is a very important genre because it reflects our culture and society back to us through lyrics and music.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And we're living in a time where
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[SPEAKER_06]: The right wing has waged a war on empathy itself.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So focusing on the realities of human experience, people's working conditions, people's real emotions that sometimes were afraid to share.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Those are some of the biggest parts of folk music for us.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And folk music is supposed to be an umbrella that catches everyone.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So there needs to be a story for everyone that's part of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and we're saying it's okay to feel your feelings.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's okay to feel.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Feel big.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Random applause for our feelings.
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[SPEAKER_03]: we're allowed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So these artists are telling these stories that these artists that are telling these stories are basically taking care of communities in a way that's kind of like similar to healthcare workers but like how are those workers being taken care of like what's the state of your workplace and how is care being taken and what does it feel like to be moving through
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[SPEAKER_03]: For people at this time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I guess like the first question is like the name of this panel like what is the function of folks on writing and modern times like what is your job?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What's your job y'all?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, yeah, I'll go.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I mean, I think that when Y'all were talking the first thing I thought of was like the idea of a greo, like if you all have seen the movie centers, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's the idea of someone who kind of like is a memory keeper.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And serves as like a rallying point for a community to gather for a second and to pause and to feel, as you were saying, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I think like in our modern era, we're just, we are being increasingly driven toward efficiency.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, why make your own salad when you can have like a chopped salad for you and you don't even have to do anything or like, you know, AI like why take the time to write maybe an email that's a little bit less perfect when you can just throw it into chat GPT and have it feel, you know, exactly right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But I think maybe in folk music we've been spared that because I mean all of us on stage were making a living not a killing, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: So generous.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You can call it a living.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Generous.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We are in many instances working class, maybe climbing towards middle class.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But so yeah, I think there's like, there's a way in which, yeah, we are.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to compare us to like doctors or nurses, but like we are care workers.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I think like because I started as a banjo player in a folk singer songwriter, I didn't aspire to be like a huge pop star.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think I had an understanding of where my career would likely land.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, just being like okay with that, most of the time, not all of the time, but yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just going to add, so I've more in the, I've been more in the country-american space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as far as what is our job, I'm going to quote one of my mentors and someone who I think of as a black country music trio and that's Alice Randall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things that she said that I think about all the time is especially as black country artists, black American artists, part of our job is to
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[SPEAKER_00]: make sure that we let everybody know that there are black people in the future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are people meaning there are people of color in the future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And because we have been written out of so much of the past and so much of the fabric of the music that is folk, that is country, that is rock, that is all these different
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think that number one, we are the canaries in the coal mine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's correct.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so whatever is happening to your local musician is a pretty good indication of what is coming for the rest of the job markets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So as we see AI starting to, oh, you can make a demo on your app, and it's a fully orchestrated thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have killed a studio, you have killed studio musicians, you have killed background singers,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You, I mean, an engineer, like you have eliminated about 52 jobs, just by doing your little cute demo on your app and all this respect, we can hear it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, you can hear the difference.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Your demo sucks.
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[SPEAKER_06]: No, um.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But I feel I can tell when something's made with AI.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It really sounds like just medium.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but just overall, I think my job in particular is,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, Francis, we exist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we will exist 20 years from now, 100 years from now, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, what is there for us to exist in?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is a whole other thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we are here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think, also, I was thinking, while Kyle was talking about,
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[SPEAKER_04]: sort of this like streamlining of life.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think there's also this numbing happening.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And what you guys were talking about at the beginning of it's okay to feel things.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's also important to feel things so that we can process and move through things so that we can fight against things and organize.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because I genuinely think that
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[SPEAKER_04]: rest and care for ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And part of that is is knowing when to step away, but also like, you know,
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[SPEAKER_04]: getting back up again and being brave enough to hope and believe in the future because it's worth believing in and we have to.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I think that there's just like this numbing out and a lot of it is this obviously because it's addictive and I've lived with that for probably longer than anyone in
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[SPEAKER_04]: I got my first iPhone when I was in middle school, Pumble Bragg.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I hate that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I hate it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And folk music is, in a lot of ways, the antithesis of that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I hate that we're like relegated into the social media space.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, and I know so many of you go see live folk music because I see you at the shows, so thank you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Bring the next generation with you, please.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was lucky enough to, I found folk music on the internet.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I found folk music on the radio.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and I really was dead.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wait, what?
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[SPEAKER_03]: The folk music is not on the radio anymore.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Unless you're listening to the syndicated folk alley radio show hosted by... Hey!
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cindy House!
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[UNKNOWN]: My-my-my-my-my-my-my-my-my-my!
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[SPEAKER_06]: No, this is such a good point, folk music spreads through word of mouth, especially in our digital age, hearing a real recommendation from a real person that you really trust is like worth 35,000 Instagram shares.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And followers, because that stuff is not real.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Preach, Toby, I love it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Rose, do you want to talk about what your job is?
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[SPEAKER_06]: When you get on stage, what do you think?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I kind of just consider the way that I experience writing is down to the microscopic parts of what it feels like to be in a particular emotion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is so deeply uncomfortable to be in what's happening in the world and I'm just going to like, what is it the thing that is
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[SPEAKER_02]: connecting us and it's likely grief probably in its heart and we can take that grief all the way up to whether we're talking about what's happening politically or we can take it just right down to when we're like going to bed or like what you know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think I consider my job to be the instigator of a connection of the people with themselves when they come.
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[SPEAKER_02]: hopefully with someone that they may have come with or that they know or do not know, but like some kind of communion with
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[SPEAKER_02]: everybody and with ourselves to be like like you've always set like we do have to have our emotions because they're there if we avoid them they're gonna turn into an ulcer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, I think that's what I like I consider it like I need that communion and so to be the instigator of whatever super stew of emotion that that we need to kind of do whether it's like some kind of non-denominational church of emotion, some kind of super market of emotion that we go to
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To fill our baskets with whatever we need to nourish that part of ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So I have a broad and scary question that y'all can choose to answer however you want, which is that politics are not just the capital P ideals that we read about in the newspaper.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's everyday interactions that are shaped by power.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's the culture that we're all surrounded by even when we don't notice it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And as musicians like Rici said, we're often the canaries in the coal mine.
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[SPEAKER_06]: you guys are out there on the road, meeting hundreds to thousands of people each year, and your relationship with your audience in a way is a part of your politics.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So, what are you noticing these days?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Have there been shifts in the, you know, political atmosphere as you're out touring?
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[SPEAKER_06]: How are you feeling you're relating to your audience these days?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I'll go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so it's funny for me because I've been in this since my debut came out in 2007.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're almost 20 years in, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you're only in high school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, but I'm only 12.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a crazy thing, I don't really understand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I have noticed, okay, so for me, so my debut album is a country album.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's so funny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Social media was not the thing, it was like my space when I first got started.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, yes, my space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yield, I, my space, um, and so we didn't, like, you know, there was no status or anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like nobody really knew what my personal politics were until I said them out loud.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there were people that just fell in love.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this idea, this little curly headed black girl, it sings country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so cute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's so lovely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when social media happened and like I was just like, yeah, so this shit has fucked up, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, everybody's like, why?
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[SPEAKER_06]: I can relate.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, almost as though the looser your curl pattern, the more you're supposed to be quiet and to be more cute and precious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, you know, you're, you fit in my favorite thing that a radio person told me once was like, you're not black black.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, honey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Honey, I'm just black enough, but um, but no, but I have found that the relationship because everything is social media now and everything is very like social media warrior behind the keyboard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have the, you have the safety of being user or five, six, six, six, two, three, five, and no picture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People will say the craziest stuff to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and we'll write you and tell you on your own damn page not to say I don't I think you should take this down I like your music and I didn't want to talk about politics and I don't like your politics in the little I don't like your or so here we are Like but it's just I have found it's become like this really aggressive thing
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[SPEAKER_00]: and like you're gonna use it against me and I'm like I'm good like as long as I'm you're already bought it so you're already on the city so no gives me back these so it's just it's it's it's become like some of the relationships I have strengthened and have lasted for years and then some of them I have deeply disappointed people and I just I don't know I think
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[SPEAKER_00]: I embrace who embraces me, I've gotten to that point in my life where I'm extremely grateful for those who just love Risi as the package and all my thoughts and you know awkwardness and all that and everyone else, I'm so sorry that I've disappointed you, but no, that's a beautiful acceptance, it's a beautiful outlook.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would say the same thing, I feel like I am depending on where I am, like I might adjust what I might think that I would be able to talk about on stage or generally I'm not super politically loud, but I definitely like to point light at things like on social media and I definitely have had people who are like, I didn't come here to find it, you know, and I'm like that's fine, it ultimately doesn't matter, like we are not super politically loud, but I definitely like to point light at things like on social media and I definitely have had people who are like, I didn't come here to find it, you know, and I'm like that's fine, it doesn't, you know, it ultimately doesn't matter, like we,
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[SPEAKER_02]: the people who are on this ship of chosen to be here because we're here or all here for this purpose of like we love music and in the end it doesn't matter you don't have to be in an exchange with people that you don't have you know and you can point point light at I think I think that's like how I consider like I'm going to point point at things that that I think are are relevant and point in and terrifying and and that I'm worried about and concerned about and then be in a conversation with the people who want you want to be in the conversation
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[SPEAKER_02]: to use your platform in a way that, you know, feels comfortable for you and safe for you.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It sounds like you both have figured out a way to shape who your audience is by being who you are and letting everyone self-select.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm gonna be taking that tip of advice in my career as well.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think that's really beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I would say that generally what I've found is that people are louder behind the keyboard, like you're saying.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I am lucky that I've only really gotten a few angry nasty emails.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I got one recently from a man, presumably in Colorado that included like a gif of Trump at the end.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was so good.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it was because
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[SPEAKER_04]: Anyone who knows my music or has been to my shows, I'll play this song called Wildfire Season and I talk about climate change and thank you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And on the climate crisis, and very outspoken about it, and it's like I would work in climate if I wasn't doing music.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like that's what I would do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: My first job, I was a climate canvas or like this is something I care a lot about.
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[SPEAKER_04]: talk about it, fundraise for it, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This man wrote me this crazy insane email that's not even worth talking about, but anyways, his email was outdoor life at ALL.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I know, it's just like the cognitive dissonance of this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, not an ALL, ALL, ALL, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I love it, that's what he's talking about.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The hatred, the ALL, that's what he's talking about.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But like, he wasn't willing to come have any sort of, I mean, I'm kind of glad, because I had, you know, merchandise to sell at the table.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But he wasn't willing to come have like a dialogue with me in person, like he just wrote me this insane email.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But also in general, I find that people are so relieved.
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[SPEAKER_04]: that I am outspoken and they're especially younger folks who come to the show with their parents or elders and they're like that song or you know other songs that have that feels exactly how I feel right now or that are songs about like that I have that are that speak to like the lockdown or other things that people in my my Gen Z life have gone through like
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[SPEAKER_04]: People want catharsis for all of this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like they want a place to move through it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think they want a third space.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They learn for the town square.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_06]: I urine for the town square.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot of blank looks up there, but Lizzie, you're in for the town square.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, like, I feel like I don't regret being politically outspoken.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No one's making me do this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm happy to do it because...
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[SPEAKER_04]: I also, not for nothing, I went to shows when I was younger and I saw young femme artists doing this, modeled to me, most of them black people, people of color, most of them queer people speaking out, doing playing amazing music.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think about bands like Lula Wiles, this inspired the hell out of
23:56
[SPEAKER_04]: They're the model to me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're who inspire me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, I just like the fact that it matters to people.
24:05
[SPEAKER_04]: That I, I'm kind of rambling at this point, but I just love it to be.
24:11
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that like, it means something to me to speak on something that matters on my heart.
24:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I, I don't know, I think it's always worth it and I don't regret it.
24:26
[SPEAKER_04]: It's worth it to be brave and to take the risk.
24:28
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'll take every angry, weird, outdoor life, email, God.
24:32
[SPEAKER_04]: Like whatever, man, I can take it.
24:35
[SPEAKER_04]: I can block his ass, like it's fine.
24:37
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I'm just a fundraise thousands of dollars for a badass climate organization.
24:42
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm not going to stop.
24:43
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
24:46
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
24:50
[SPEAKER_04]: and I'm starting like a frog.
24:51
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, all these folks have made incredible points.
24:55
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't have much to add except that to your point about being like a young femme musician or for those of us on the stage that started off like really, really young.
25:06
[SPEAKER_05]: I think what I noticed in my early years, like 22, 23, was there was kind of like a predatory gaze that I didn't really know how to identify, but it was this thing of like, you know, you're like a young black mixed race woman playing this playing this instrument.
25:26
[SPEAKER_05]: This is what we could do with you.
25:28
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
25:28
[SPEAKER_05]: This is if you sign this record, Dale, or like, you know, if you
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[SPEAKER_05]: If you sing this kind of particular song or if you sing others songs or like other songs that we that we want you to sing This is this is where your career could go and so I think you know for me there was a lot of that outside noise
25:48
[SPEAKER_05]: But I think internally I just it made me realize like, oh, these people don't know me.
25:53
[SPEAKER_05]: They don't know who I am.
25:54
[SPEAKER_05]: They don't know that I grew up at folk festivals.
25:56
[SPEAKER_05]: They don't know that like I have a particular value system that maybe at 21 or 22 I couldn't articulate but like I knew in my core of who I was and I think that that made it so that
26:10
[SPEAKER_05]: I was able to follow my particular path in songwriting, but also I let some opportunities go that maybe would have made me more money, but also maybe would have made me much sadder as a person.
26:24
[SPEAKER_05]: And you know, I think like really, from my perspective, every time I speak,
26:32
[SPEAKER_05]: on politics on stage.
26:34
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm speaking, I feel like I'm speaking from human experience.
26:37
[SPEAKER_05]: I think there's this like we can like take this magnet of politics and like put it up here.
26:42
[SPEAKER_05]: But I think like really really what it is is about human experience in pain and grief and certain people being denied civil rights.
26:52
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, I'm thinking about trans people in Kansas whose drivers licenses
26:59
[SPEAKER_05]: And so I don't know when I'm able to think about that in my songwriting, that feels human to me too.
27:10
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and so I don't know, I just feel like that's the way that I connect with myself and I connect with other people and I think increasingly like my audience has shifted and I think some people have like left, left the chiocator path because they didn't like what I was saying but I think I also then was able to invite a bunch more people in who felt like, okay, this is an artist who I feel sees me even though she may not know me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, to Joe B's point, like I think those are the artists that I gravitated towards two as a young person and I think there's work that we're doing that we don't, it's not going to come to fruition for a couple of maybe decades.
27:52
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, like we're playing the long game, I think of Maya Dividre saying like I make my records for people who might hear them long after I'm dead, right?
28:01
[SPEAKER_05]: So I think it's kind of like that long arc of history that we're maybe thinking about.
28:05
[SPEAKER_03]: beautiful questions for the camo folks it has my a plate the boat what yes she has let's get her back let's get her back Maya to be tree everyone to look her up yeah my god
28:25
[SPEAKER_03]: So how do you all feel about the progress or impacts of folk music now versus like in the past?
28:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Like how do you think folk music helps to impact current social or political movements?
28:43
[SPEAKER_02]: There's probably an advantage to like when I started in the 1900s.
28:49
[SPEAKER_02]: there wasn't, there wasn't social media, there was people were sending out newsletters, and it was really incredible.
28:56
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's this evil thing, like, you'll be holding up a phone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is, the phone is just this like, evil horrible thing.
29:02
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, the fact that folk musicians are in the realm of sharing things, just like any other genre, there is, it's like the double edge sort of being able
29:19
[SPEAKER_02]: And reacting quickly to what things are happening in the news or what things are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that there's probably one thing if I think of the arc of my career, which is just about 20 years, the way that things can be shared is probably advantageous, like there is an advantage as part of it.
29:42
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also horrible.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
29:45
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, Risi and I wouldn't know each other if not for Twitter.
29:48
[SPEAKER_06]: No, it's true.
29:49
[SPEAKER_06]: But then again, I also wouldn't know Hateras Jerk 1, 2, 3, 4.
29:54
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like if you take the good with the Hatera Well.com.
29:57
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
29:58
[SPEAKER_06]: Angry man, 66.
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[SPEAKER_06]: No, um, I traditional values, and I don't like you, 1, 8, 9.
30:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I think that so I was born in 1981 and my parents were, you know, very much a part of they both were gripping Atlanta and so they were very much a part of the civil rights movement that was going on in.
30:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Atlanta and I didn't grow up then but like we played the music in my house and so I grew up you know listening to protest music, listening to Joan Bias and all these different people and I see this moment right now.
30:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Now mind you it is not happening in mainstream music so much but I hear it like if you know where to look and you know where to find
30:54
[SPEAKER_00]: The music, I have heard, like, especially like over this, this cruise, I am so grateful.
31:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't ever get to go see shows.
31:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I've gotten to see so many people play and I have heard some incredible music about what is going on right now in the world.
31:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I feel, you know, as a 44 year old mom, I feel really good about the music that is my child.
31:23
[SPEAKER_00]: My oldest is, has available.
31:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the, I think folk music is in a really good place and a really healthy place.
31:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that the future isn't good hands.
31:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking at you.
31:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
31:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm looking at you.
31:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking, you know, all the people on this panel, I'm, I'm looking, Lizzie, all of y'all.
31:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking at y'all because it's, it's in a really good place, as long as everybody is feeling good about being honest and, um, and really reflecting and really thinking.
31:55
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing, like it's not just like,
31:58
[SPEAKER_00]: things are bad and I don't like it like it's like it's like it's a hit no but like you y'all really think about it and like it's extremely thoughtful and it's thought provoking and it's just like I have cried more than I probably should have this week
32:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And, and felt, and so I think if you look beyond your local radio station or you look beyond, you know, what Spotify DJ sends you, and you actually like dig deep, there is so much good thought provoking, inspiring, sparking music that is happening right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's good.
32:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean it reminds me a lot of what I think, you know, the 60s must have felt like.
32:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because everybody's like it touches all of us.
32:48
[SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna touch all of us, and so I just, yeah And I just want last thing and I'm gonna be quiet.
32:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't be quiet.
32:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Not really, but I'll kind of be quiet The other thing I hate to make everything about race, but everything is about race.
33:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, go there.
33:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially in my genre
33:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I see people being okay with being black, or being a person of color, being Hispanic, being Asian.
33:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever, when I got started in Nashville, the first thing everybody told me was not to talk about it, because it's obvious.
33:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And it almost felt like there I had to choose.
33:27
[SPEAKER_00]: You're either going to be a country singer or you're going to be a black woman.
33:29
[SPEAKER_00]: But like you have to choose which one you're going to be.
33:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't see that anymore.
33:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And that makes me really happy.
33:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I see people like Pinkbeard.
33:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
33:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's everything all at once.
33:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the way it should be.
33:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's the way it should be.
33:50
[SPEAKER_00]: You shouldn't have to choose one over the other.
33:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Rianna Giddens is another person that I see that doesn't choose.
33:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she is all the things at the same time.
34:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's really inspiring to me.
34:27
[SPEAKER_02]: everything that I was or like was trying to either avoid or you know me and you like the there is I don't know there's less need to fit in but there's just more room like there's more room for the bad stuff too but there's just more room for and I'm I'm so glad that you said that because that's what I've been saying to my friends on the bone to be like I can't believe the confidence of the
34:51
[SPEAKER_02]: People in the artists in their 20s is just killing, I love it so much.
34:57
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't even imagine being that confident.
35:02
[SPEAKER_06]: Something that I've learned over just being in the middle of this beginner to more experienced artist is that you do get offered those deals.
35:11
[SPEAKER_06]: If you can get along with XY and Z group, if you can keep quiet about X and say more about X, if you can dress XYZ way, there are a million ifs.
35:23
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, you can have success and I think economically as folk artists we've learned there's no carrot left There's no reward left So you might as well be who you are from the beginning and like the younger generations are picking up on that There's no reward for keeping quiet anymore Oh, and I have a question What are some values you all have learned from your folk music elders?
35:50
[SPEAKER_06]: And like who are they, who are your mentors and elders?
35:53
[SPEAKER_06]: Elders.
35:53
[SPEAKER_06]: Name names.
35:57
[SPEAKER_00]: But now, there you are.
36:00
[SPEAKER_03]: People are giving you some examples.
36:03
[SPEAKER_05]: thank you so much.
36:05
[SPEAKER_05]: I someone shot it out Pete Seeger, someone shot it out May the staples.
36:09
[SPEAKER_05]: Geez, oh, data.
36:13
[SPEAKER_05]: So many wonderful, wonderful artists I'm thinking about.
36:16
[SPEAKER_05]: I actually just made the staples at the Beacon Theatre in New York.
36:20
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, 81.
36:20
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, yes.
36:22
[SPEAKER_01]: With Kimaya Diggs.
36:23
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
36:23
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
36:24
[SPEAKER_05]: And Allison Russell.
36:25
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
36:28
[SPEAKER_05]: So, I mean, I guess I will say like the person who taught me how to play the banjo, his name is Mitch Pedalic, and he founded the Winnipeg Folk Festival, and he was a staunch trotsky, and he, his three goals in life where maybe two goals were to cook good barbecue and teach people how to play the banjo.
36:50
[SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, we formed an unlikely friendship, like he was
36:55
[SPEAKER_05]: gosh maybe 65 and I was like 11 or 12 and he gave me my first banjo lesson and he also was just encouraged me to travel and go to North Carolina and study a little bit more and
37:12
[SPEAKER_05]: And he also, you know, he founded a folk festival and a folk festival is, it's a community, right?
37:20
[SPEAKER_05]: And so, you know, Mitch passed away a couple of years ago, but I think of people like that in my life who just, who just like,
37:31
[SPEAKER_05]: helped me along my path.
37:32
[SPEAKER_05]: I will mention, you know, we mentioned re-in and get-ins.
37:35
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, re-in and gave me a lesson backstage at the Ottawa Folk Festival, you know, when I was 13 or 14.
37:42
[SPEAKER_05]: And she has always invited me into her.
37:46
[SPEAKER_05]: Circles into her world, Alice and Russell again.
37:49
[SPEAKER_05]: Like I just think like for me like I mean friggin rose cousins right right next to me like, you know Rose pulled me up on stage when I was probably around that same age 14 or 15 To play a song with her and like I idolized still idolized her.
38:07
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean who wouldn't?
38:08
[SPEAKER_05]: Don't we all you know and so I think it's just at least for me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's like it's like small things along with a path that encourage me people who encourage me to keep going and Yeah, I think like that kind of longevity I which I keep talking about but let that longevity that folk music has in that community that folk music has is
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[SPEAKER_05]: is like so precious and I think I can like start to forget it when I'm on social media too much like I can start to do the um compare and despair thing um but I think once I'm like in the room with with you all and and you know I I'm reminded that like we're all you know it's it's all bread for the journey so yeah that's it that's all I've said
38:58
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think the cool thing about folk music is it's like, and like I said, I learned about folk music on the internet first and then on the radio as well, and so first it was like, this thing that I learned about and loved in my room, um, and I learned all these songs and I sang along to them, and
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then I went to my first folk festival, my first bluegrass festival, Rocky Grass, and Colorado, and I met kids, my age, who played these weird instruments like me, and I got my first weird instrument, the mandolin, and I was weird, and I was like,
39:44
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, and it was amazing.
39:47
[SPEAKER_04]: And I saw the Carolina Chocolate Drops play at Rocky Grass.
39:50
[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, oh, this is a whole world.
39:53
[SPEAKER_04]: And it includes people of, and this is a whole, yeah, like this is a whole universe of, this is a whole history that I have to learn about.
40:03
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, and I was inspired to, a B.
40:06
[SPEAKER_04]: Come up, folk music history minor in college.
40:11
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh.
40:14
[SPEAKER_04]: I, so I think there's also, that's so dorky, um, there's so there's like elders that I've been, you know, lucky enough to have a personal relationship with who, like I mentioned that Van Lula Wiles, they've,
40:32
[SPEAKER_04]: became friends of mine and brought me up on stage in Boston and had me play one of my songs at one of their sets at great Scott and it meant so much to me because they were my super heroes in Boston.
40:47
[SPEAKER_04]: They spoke out about political issues.
40:49
[SPEAKER_04]: They were cool.
40:51
[SPEAKER_04]: They shredded and I was obsessed with them and they thought that I was cool and I was just like over the moon about it.
41:00
[SPEAKER_04]: So I had this personal relationship with them but there's also artists like Nina Simone who obviously I do not know.
41:08
[SPEAKER_04]: When I, yeah, but I'm also so inspired by and like the, just the idea, and like we're going back to the idea of like what are the values that you've learned like speaking truth to power.
41:20
[SPEAKER_04]: I know people talk about that a lot, but I always think about Nina Simone.
41:25
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, and thinking, yeah, just thinking about like going on YouTube and watching videos of her performing and just, yeah, just the chills that I had on my body and I'm on YouTube in the computer room in my house like it's just like,
41:41
[SPEAKER_04]: But just, yeah, just being so moved by what music can do and the bravery and just being like, this is an important way of transmitting a message and getting people together.
41:55
[SPEAKER_04]: And then also music as community and learning that through going to Rocky Grass and moving to Boston and meeting Liloiles and meeting
42:06
[SPEAKER_04]: you know, all the people in the Boston music scene who brought me in and included me and uplifted me for the very first time and then having that happen in Nashville too.
42:16
[SPEAKER_04]: So those are those are just a few people too and I mean I've shot it out carcée too.
42:22
[SPEAKER_04]: She's she's a huge one for me.
42:23
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
42:25
[SPEAKER_03]: I just want to take a moment for Rose and Joby and Kai, I don't know if you know him, but I want to shut out Matt Smith from Club Pass.
42:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Matt Smith.
42:34
[SPEAKER_03]: What a guy.
42:34
[SPEAKER_03]: So, Matt Smith is the managing director of Club Pass team.
42:39
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel choked up talking about him right now.
42:41
[SPEAKER_03]: It's his 30th year at Club Pass team.
42:43
[SPEAKER_03]: And he basically is...
42:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like single-handedly making the Boston Folk scene vibrant, you know?
42:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if anybody wants to take over talking about Mads, so I can sit over here and cry.
42:54
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh.
42:54
[SPEAKER_06]: But, anyways.
42:55
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm working with Mad on a very special end.
42:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Come on.
42:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Come on.
42:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
43:00
[SPEAKER_06]: We are all a folk music family and that's the cutest part.
43:04
[SPEAKER_06]: That's all I had to say.
43:05
[SPEAKER_06]: Speaking of family, I have a question for Black women.
43:10
[SPEAKER_06]: How is being a roots musician shaping how you see yourself as an ancestor?
43:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, no, I feel a very, I personally feel a very, um, a very deep connection to, particularly the women that came before me.
43:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I'm like in the second part chapter, you know, artistry is like, it is a roller coaster.
43:39
[SPEAKER_00]: It absorbs inflows and I feel like I'm in the second chapter of my career.
43:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And this particular part of my career, I feel is very much focused on like about a word it's legacy.
43:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, with the radio show that I have, I named it after Linda Martell's album because Linda Martell and I have a very, very similar story in terms of the way things went with our first album.
44:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And had it not been for me being able to sell fund myself.
44:14
[SPEAKER_00]: and the internet for better or for worse.
44:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I would probably be somewhere in North Carolina driving a bus and raising babies too.
44:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I felt like it was really important to tell that story.
44:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And so in having my radio show and calling me country radio on Apple Music Country, listen up y'all tomorrow at 2 p.m.
44:39
[SPEAKER_00]: It's...
44:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I have had an opportunity to meet so many of my matriarchs.
44:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And in meeting my matriarchs, I think I see myself more clearly, and like where I fit in all of this, you know, I've had an opportunity to talk to a need of pointer.
44:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I've had Rianna's been on my show more than she probably, at this point, she's like a co-host.
45:05
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, and she's welcoming me in and we have a book coming out in May.
45:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a children's book and it's about black women and women of color in country music.
45:16
[SPEAKER_00]: It's called Color Me Country, and so, you know, and I've had Allison, I've had Kaya, I've had you, and I've had an opportunity to talk about Ruby Falls, La Nora Ross, La Mel Prince, and Elizabeth Cotton,
45:36
[SPEAKER_00]: and so many other at a baker and like just so many different people that made it possible for me to sit up here and talk must of and be okay.
45:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And so yeah, I see I feel extremely empowered in this moment.
45:58
[SPEAKER_00]: at times when it doesn't feel empowering.
46:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I see my place as I'm trying to create the next generation of legacy makers.
46:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And people that talk about, it's like a quilt.
46:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Like quilting is in our community, like great grandma's, used to make quilts out of all the old clothes and like that kind of thing.
46:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of see myself as a quilt maker.
46:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm trying everything that I do is to make sure that y'all don't have it.
46:32
[SPEAKER_00]: The way that it was for me and the way that it was for them.
46:37
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that's how I see it.
46:46
[SPEAKER_05]: Beautiful question, beautiful answer, and speaking of elders, I've been thinking a lot about something that Taj Mahal said, which is that we are never in the shadow of those who came before us, but we are always in their light.
47:04
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, and, you know, Elizabeth Cotton is someone who I have draw great inspiration from, and, and, um, I even think about, like, you know, the lineage that I come from, like, the the Caribbean women,
47:20
[SPEAKER_05]: who I come from, you know, and I think about my great-grandmother, who was not allowed to go to school and so she taught herself how to read and write off hours in the schoolhouse with chalk and slate.
47:36
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, and then, and then my problem seemed a little smaller, you know, when I'm like, oh, I can't get that gig.
47:41
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, well, maybe that's okay.
47:44
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, and so, you know, I think when I, when I'm, when I'm at my worst, I'm, I'm kind of small minded and I'm, I'm in my, like,
47:53
[SPEAKER_05]: You go brain and I'm thinking, you know, I am owed this or why didn't I get this or I'm working so hard, you know, and then I think, you know, for me, like doing work with ancestors and elders is it's always about
48:09
[SPEAKER_05]: Zooming out and seeing the bigger picture and like speaking of Taj, like he's I'm opening for Taj in April right Like like no, but it's it's not to be like, yeah, good for me, but it's more it's more just to say like when when I I hope that I'm still playing music in my 70s and 80s and when I am what am I going to be doing for the people who are coming after me?
48:31
[SPEAKER_05]: Always trying to think about that like what am I doing for the for the people coming after me?
48:38
[SPEAKER_05]: right because like that's what my great grandmother did for me and that's what I want to do even if I don't have biological children on my own like that's what I want to do for the people coming after me and I think that's that's how we are like links on a chain.
48:57
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you guys for joining us on this stage for this great.
49:04
[SPEAKER_03]: So, if you'd like to share, who you're all listening to, who you're reading, what are you watching?
49:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing, no, oh no.
49:19
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm actually, here, this is, this is fun reading, ladies and gentlemen.
49:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually in the middle of this book, I bought, I heard a podcast they were talking about.
49:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been very focused on,
49:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I heard you're talking about this in the back.
49:34
[SPEAKER_00]: The way that beauty standards have been molded by some really gross predilections, as some people have, you know, like the very obscene, and like the way that we view aging and sexuality and all that kind of stuff through this really kind of sick lens.
49:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I found this book, it's called Brown Sugar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: um how black women have been sexualized over the ages.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's a college text, but it's really good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I've been reading that um so I was like what I'm listening to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for the radio show, I make my own playlist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm the only I think I'm the only show on Apple that doesn't follow the regular playlist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I make my own and so I'm listening to a lot of different people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So here are some people for you guys to check out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um there's an artist out of um Kentucky's name is Chris
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[SPEAKER_00]: if you are very into like moral haggard and like then that that ilk of country music he is that guy he technically was a coal miner and all this like he's he's just incredible um there is another artist by the name of kishana arm shang if you guys are familiar with kishana
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she's, she's my other mother.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want Cassiano to be my mother.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, where is Cassiano?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cassiano is incredible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, if you've seen any of my shows this song, oh, Blackstone and woman, I wrote that with Cassiano.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, love her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and, you know, any of these people,
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[SPEAKER_00]: up here are incredible and I actually sent you to my daughter and she wrote me back and she was like mom, she's so good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, are you guys friends?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, like, you know, I like giving my child recommendations because she actually has good taste and music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go figure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, so you can actually, and this is not a plug for the show, but kind of, if you go to the Columbia Country playlist on Apple Music, it is literally everything that I love that I'm listening to that I play on my show and it is all exclusively people of color, marginalized people, queer people, everybody.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Everybody should be listening to Columbia Country because that is where the future of
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[SPEAKER_06]: I hope so.
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[SPEAKER_06]: No, I really felt that way.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Did we want to do a lightning round question?
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[SPEAKER_06]: We want to ask you some silly questions, you guys.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We didn't hear what everybody else was.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I want it too.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I do want to know what you guys are listening to, but I also want to be silly.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, what are you listening to?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, everything that I might have been listening to before the boat has been kicked out of my brain for all of the stuff that I listened to on the boat literally.
52:21
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel insanely like, I'm maybe I'm, I feel like a new rabbit fan of Palmyra.
52:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and Victoria Canal and Judy Blank.
52:31
[SPEAKER_02]: And just, but I've just said, I, I, like, I was supposed to go to the spa.
52:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't gone to the spa at all because I bought this past and haven't been at all because I just keep going to see music.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because it's so amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, and I'm excited to see Joey play later because I haven't seen you.
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[SPEAKER_06]: What time is your set, Joey, and where?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's now at 430.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hello?
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[SPEAKER_04]: In Magnum's?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
52:56
[SPEAKER_04]: They moved everything today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a new song for Joey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Sansa's dance today.
53:06
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know who just came into my body, but that was cool.
53:10
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm also reading Patty Smith's newest biography bread of angels and I'm not sure.
53:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's very into like biographical women biographies right now that the Deborah Levy has a trio of books that I just finished about like home and relationship and Mary-Mto's who wrote Women talking she has like this like small biographical book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just really I just like want to follow these women as they like wander through their thoughts.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I love it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Have you read
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[SPEAKER_06]: Especially a great woman musician.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, let's monitor.
53:53
[SPEAKER_05]: I will say I feel like you Lizzy have been turning me on to new music, specifically country music.
54:01
[SPEAKER_05]: Lizzy made me a playlist because I said, can you?
54:03
[SPEAKER_05]: I want that.
54:05
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, give me.
54:05
[SPEAKER_06]: I am the country music girlie in the friend group.
54:07
[SPEAKER_06]: I will make you a country playlist upon requests.
54:10
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, um, and so I mean, these are probably no names to everybody here, but um, I feel like Tanner I dull, Charlie Crockett, um, I've been like, yeah, just discovering, um, some really, some bobs.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Tanner is that new, new.
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[SPEAKER_06]: She is the next generation of country.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm so proud of Tanner.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
54:29
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, and I was reading Martha Wayne writes, uh, biography, um, which is, I, I'm just in it for the gossip, because that whole fan, it's a family of songwriters, come on, Kate McGarregle, loud and Wayne write, rufus Wayne write, and they're all just writing songs about each other.
54:45
[SPEAKER_05]: So, um, it's like, that, this is my Kardashians.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, so, I, I'm really been doing that.
54:53
[SPEAKER_05]: Give those guys a show.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Can I ask the silly questions now, Cindy?
54:56
[SPEAKER_06]: Wait.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, John, I want to know.
54:59
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I'm, I'm, I've been avoiding the question because I'm gonna butcher a lot of names.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm listening to,
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[SPEAKER_04]: SAS Contreras, this album by Orlando Contreras, I could be wrong.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Contreras, I heard it in an Uber in Miami on the way to the cruise and I was obsessed and I downloaded it before the cruise and then I have been listening to this Brazilian album and yes, I'm looking on my phone.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I got it when I was 13, so sorry.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I, it's broken me, like a horse.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I listen to this Brazilian album that's got this really fabulous female guitar player who name his Rosina Dave Valencia, I think.
55:52
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh boy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You do?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, I can't, the name of the album, um, Viola, and Primero Plano.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then what I'm reading?
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's so good, it's so good.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I'm reading is this book called, there's always this year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, honey.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Honey, yes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't remember his last name.
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[SPEAKER_06]: After a cube.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Honey, if I'm to a cube.
56:19
[SPEAKER_04]: Hell yes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So glad to have a phone a friend.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Cause I was like, I don't remember the author's last name.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's really, really good.
56:27
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm on the last chapter.
56:28
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a book about basketball and hope.
56:31
[SPEAKER_04]: And if you know me, I don't,
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[SPEAKER_04]: really like sports, except for soccer.
56:36
[SPEAKER_04]: I was actually bullied off of my basketball team for being so bad.
56:42
[SPEAKER_04]: I was just kidding.
56:42
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's actually amazing.
56:44
[SPEAKER_04]: Like this just says how good of a writer this guy is.
56:47
[SPEAKER_04]: He's actually a music writer.
56:48
[SPEAKER_04]: No, correct.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Music writer, podcaster, and homie.
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[SPEAKER_04]: your friends.
56:55
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, well, I'm obsessed with this writing, I'm like upset, like this is such a, it's, I've read it in almost a week.
57:02
[SPEAKER_04]: It's such a good book, I highly recommend it's about Cleveland, it's about being black, it's, it's, it's a wonderful book.
57:11
[SPEAKER_04]: I highly recommend it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It was, there's always this year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I'm learning a lot about Ohio and basketball and, um, yeah, the name of my team was the Jumping Shrimps.
57:25
[SPEAKER_04]: And you didn't even make the cut for the Jumping Shrimps.
57:28
[SPEAKER_04]: No, they didn't invite me to the sleepover.
57:30
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no, I got it!
57:33
[UNKNOWN]: Jopy!
57:34
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there's a reason why I didn't like sports until like adulthood.
57:38
[SPEAKER_04]: And now I watch soccer and I'm like, because there's like women and gay people.
57:43
[SPEAKER_04]: And like, it's more diverse.
57:44
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, this is my safe space.
57:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Would you like to do the lightning round this?
57:48
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm dying to do the lightning round.
57:50
[SPEAKER_06]: I want to know from each person, what is the most important thing that you forgot to pack for Cayamo?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Sunscreen.
57:59
[SPEAKER_06]: Why, how do you go to the beach without damn sunscreen?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I did.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I got it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You look great, though, Kyle.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I did not forget to pack anything.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Good for you.
58:08
[SPEAKER_06]: Good for you.
58:09
[SPEAKER_06]: Gross.
58:09
[SPEAKER_06]: We're lighting around.
58:10
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm rushing through these people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm good.
58:12
[SPEAKER_02]: I had everything I needed.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Liquid IV.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have some.
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[UNKNOWN]: I have some.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What is in your emotional beach bag?
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[SPEAKER_00]: My therapist number.
58:28
[SPEAKER_04]: Ahhh, pass.
58:34
[SPEAKER_06]: A Russian blood to the head by Coldplay?
58:36
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh yes.
58:38
[SPEAKER_06]: Wow.
58:38
[SPEAKER_06]: What is the ideal number of shoes pairs of shoes to bring on tour?
58:44
[SPEAKER_06]: I see a deal number of pairs of shoes to bring on tour.
58:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Except for a shoecase, I literally went on tour last year and brought a band-sized suitcase and everyone made fun of me because they only said we could only bring one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if I'm going to bring one, it's going to be a massive one, but we doesn't include the front woman.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You can bring what you want.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I would say three airport shoes, number one airport shoes, number two performance shoes, number three running shoes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_06]: One pair for fun?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, just one.
59:18
[SPEAKER_06]: No, I'll re-see it's getting bleak in this generation.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Osterity has hit millennial folk singer's heart.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Who are you people?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would also say three.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you want to have a cut.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You want to have a pair that you could wear outside, but also maybe on stage, definitely runners for the gift of Jim, and then one other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: depending on the climate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: ETC.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Unfortunately, I'm also Team 3.
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[UNKNOWN]: What?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm so sorry.
59:42
[SPEAKER_04]: You're fancy, though.
59:45
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm fancy.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe I'm extra.
59:49
[SPEAKER_06]: Am I extra?
59:49
[SPEAKER_03]: As you should be.
59:50
[SPEAKER_03]: What?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're everything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're extra.
59:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's see, audience.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Team 3, round of applause.
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[SPEAKER_03]: APPLAUSE Practical lady.
1:00:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Team Risi.
1:00:03
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, team six or more.
1:00:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so yeah.
1:00:08
[SPEAKER_06]: We have one last silly question for our illustrious panel, and I want to thank each and every one of you for being a part of this, and I want to encourage everybody to go to the merch store and purchase physical copies of albums by J.B. Ritcheo, Rose Cousins, Kaya Cater, and Risi Palmer.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Our last question is, what's your favorite silly pump-up song?
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[SPEAKER_00]: party rock anthem.
1:00:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
1:00:35
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
1:00:35
[SPEAKER_00]: This is me doing my makeup, punny, bucky's in it.
1:00:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I love it.
1:00:40
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just, it's down.
1:00:42
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
1:00:43
[SPEAKER_05]: I sometimes put on a song by the wiggles.
1:00:45
[SPEAKER_05]: I can't remember what the, what the name is.
1:00:49
[SPEAKER_05]: But it's really good.
1:00:50
[SPEAKER_05]: You like move your body and you hop up and down and you like dance around and gets me out of my head.
1:00:54
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's good.
1:00:57
[SPEAKER_02]: I need a pump up song.
1:01:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I have leaned into Beyoncé many, many times, but I feel like I have missing a piece of my routine without a pump-up song, so note it.
1:01:11
[SPEAKER_04]: Recently, it's been that, like, Daphpunk song that's like, Oh, I'm the winner!
1:01:18
[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, you didn't know there would be performances.
1:01:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Amazing answers.
1:01:21
[SPEAKER_04]: What's yours?
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[SPEAKER_06]: My pump-up song is Desperado by Rihanna.
1:01:25
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yes!
1:01:26
[SPEAKER_04]: I think I'm going to say if I lend a wrong sign, I was like,
1:01:30
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm down, I'm sure, I'm up to get down to the floor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My pop-up song recently has been one of my baby's favorite songs.
1:01:41
[SPEAKER_06]: It's that song that was in June, that's like, if I was up, I don't know where I'm going, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio, I'm out in Rio,
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[SPEAKER_03]: This episode of Basic Folk was produced by CJ Nungesser, our music composed by Dietrich Strauss.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mmm, bye!