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CALL IN SHOW! What is the Role of Government Regarding Men's Issues? | Brian's Badger Lodge · Honey Badger Radio

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Speaker 1: would just take me a moment, but I'll tell you
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Speaker 1: what I'm going to be talking about. So on the
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Speaker 1: show today, we're gonna be talking asking the question what
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Speaker 1: is the role of the government regarding men's issues? And
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Speaker 1: the reason why I asked this is because this is
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Speaker 1: another one of the ways that men's issues advocates and
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Speaker 1: feminism get really conflated. Right Like people who make the
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Speaker 1: arguments against MRAs or MRA talking points, they're usually speaking
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Speaker 1: from the perspective of what is it that you guys
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Speaker 1: want the government to do, Like what do you want
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Speaker 1: from them? And Hannah Cocks, for example, who claims to
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Speaker 1: be a libertarian feminist, has basically said that, you know,
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Speaker 1: MRAs are looking for handouts essentially, right, Or she'll describe
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Speaker 1: it different ways. She'll say it's the red pill or
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Speaker 1: the manisphere or something like that, but it's just not
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Speaker 1: you know, that's her argument, right, And this is something
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Speaker 1: that has been discussed, And I want to make a
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Speaker 1: mention of something because this is like relevant to what
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Speaker 1: we're saying. So let's talk about doctor Warren Ferrell for
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Speaker 1: a moment and excuse me. So doctor Warren Ferrell was
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Speaker 1: a lifelong Democrat, a lefty basically, and he used to
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Speaker 1: go on you know, like Oprah and these like talk
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Speaker 1: shows and she would, he would. He was a part
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Speaker 1: of the women's movement. He was on the board for
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Speaker 1: the National Organization for Women, and he was very involved
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Speaker 1: in the in the feminist movement of the sixties. And
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Speaker 1: I think that it was all from a from a
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Speaker 1: good place and the same way that Aaron Pittsy was, okay,
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Speaker 1: And I think that there is a lot of like
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Speaker 1: his his heart is really big, and I think it's
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Speaker 1: in the right place. But what he was finding is
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Speaker 1: that the same kind of let's say, outcomes that feminists
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Speaker 1: were seeking, which were essentially things that they could only
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Speaker 1: get through the state. You know, they were asking for
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Speaker 1: state favors, state handout, state funded support, socialized they outcomes
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Speaker 1: who supposed women's issues, and they always came in the
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Speaker 1: form of top down kind of you know, top down solutions,
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Speaker 1: in the form of various policies, laws and other initiatives,
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Speaker 1: ministries of sex and gender and stuff like that. But
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Speaker 1: when he was trying to get the Democrats to talk
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Speaker 1: to him about men's issues, which he did approach various
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Speaker 1: candidates and politicians in the Democrat Party in the approaching
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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen election, the approaching twenty twenty election, and I
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Speaker 1: think even part of the twenty twenty four election, but
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Speaker 1: in particular the twenty sixteen and twenty twenty presidential elections,
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Speaker 1: he was finding that he wasn't getting any support. He
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Speaker 1: was getting lip service, but nothing consequential was coming out
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Speaker 1: of it, nothing substantial. He was not getting any answers, okay,
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Speaker 1: And I think that it confused him and I understand it.
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Speaker 1: I understand it because you know, there is this presumption
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Speaker 1: that the left is basically the let's say, the ideology compassion,
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Speaker 1: you know, of looking out for the disenfranchise of equality.
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Speaker 1: This is what the narrative is, but it's not the reality.
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Speaker 1: And I think that if you've been doing this work
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Speaker 1: for as long as I have and the rest of
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Speaker 1: us have, you should by now realize that that you know,
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Speaker 1: none of these advocacy groups actually advocate for the things
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Speaker 1: that they claim, and then all of it is just
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Speaker 1: a it's essentially a justification to keep their jobs so
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Speaker 1: that they can just keep collecting a paycheck, because if
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Speaker 1: they actually fix the problems they have, then that means
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Speaker 1: that they don't, they're no longer necessary. One thing I
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Speaker 1: used to say all the time is that the goal
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Speaker 1: of a movement should be its own obsolescence, is to
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Speaker 1: essentially make itself obsolete. So, but so, what ended up
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Speaker 1: happening was he ended up going to people on the
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Speaker 1: non left or on the right as some people will
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Speaker 1: call it. Right, Well, did you remove the ability to
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Speaker 1: chat with me and then we can talk live on
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Speaker 1: the air. So I have like another solution I'm working on,
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Speaker 1: which is actually a thing where you can actually call
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Speaker 1: in with like a phone. I think it's pretty exciting
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Speaker 1: because then we can talk to people from like who
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Speaker 1: don't do Internet, and that'd be cool. We'll be able
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Speaker 1: to access more voices, and I'm always down with more voices.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, with all that said, I wanted to essentially,
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Speaker 1: what what I'm getting at is is that I think
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Speaker 1: that the men's issues conversation about whether or not the
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Speaker 1: state is a solution, it's a bit complicated. I think
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Speaker 1: that overall it is not, and in fact, I believe
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Speaker 1: that the state is the obstacle. It is the problem.
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Speaker 1: Now that doesn't mean that there couldn't be ways that
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Speaker 1: the state could support men's issues, but they would be
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Speaker 1: in ways that the state itself is sort of like
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Speaker 1: pulled away from being involved with men. So, for example,
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Speaker 1: I think that for example, shelters don't have to be
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Speaker 1: funded by the state, but if they were, they should
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Speaker 1: be available to men. That's like the bottom thing. Another
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Speaker 1: thing that the state could do is look into making
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Speaker 1: male genleman mutilation illegal or at least you know, like
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Speaker 1: it's tricky because there is there are religious lobbies, specifically
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Speaker 1: the synagogues, that are going to push back really hard
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Speaker 1: against it. But I don't think the state should be
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Speaker 1: supporting MGM if possible. But these are even then, I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about things that the state is less involved with. Right,
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Speaker 1: protecting bodily autonomy. Autonomy is important, and that's one thing
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Speaker 1: that they can do. That's what they're supposed to do.
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Speaker 1: But again, these are all things that you know, essentially
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Speaker 1: would be asking the state to be less involved. Issues
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Speaker 1: with false allegations, like issues with Title nine, issues of
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Speaker 1: due process, issues of conscription, issues of family courts and
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Speaker 1: divorce courts, and all that the Deluthe model, the way
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Speaker 1: the FBI records crime like these would all essentially be
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Speaker 1: ways that the state could help, but they would be
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Speaker 1: essentially reducing their involvement, not necessarily adding more involvement. If
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Speaker 1: you guys see what I'm saying, so those are some things,
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Speaker 1: and I also want to say that so we got this.
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Speaker 1: The reason why I bring this up is because obviously
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Speaker 1: we have this new administration coming in and there's all
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Speaker 1: of this talk about whether or not it's going to
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Speaker 1: be useful or not useful, if it's going to be
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Speaker 1: more of the same, if it's gonna be a little
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Speaker 1: bit better, if it's gonna be worse. There's a lot
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Speaker 1: of different opinions on it. But I have a little
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Speaker 1: bit of I don't want to say where it's gonna
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Speaker 1: go because I don't know, but I do have a
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Speaker 1: little bit of something that I would like to share
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Speaker 1: some thoughts that might have an impact on the way
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Speaker 1: that this new incoming administration improves things going forward. First,
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Speaker 1: I'll start with a little bit of background, so when
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Speaker 1: you know we had Trump in twenty sixteen to twenty twenty,
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Speaker 1: I've spoken to a number of people, Jonathan Taylor, who
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Speaker 1: talks about a voice for male students or he used
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Speaker 1: to and these guys in the military like arvists and
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Speaker 1: others that I have interviewed and they all talked about
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Speaker 1: and also people who are involved with Title nine like
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Speaker 1: Christoph Peccauz. They have all talked about the ways that
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Speaker 1: these like they're not even it's not really Title nine,
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Speaker 1: but it's related to it. Essentially, this rape culture conjecture
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Speaker 1: has essentially contributed to the destruction of men's careers, them
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Speaker 1: being thrown in jail, them losing their jobs, their livelihoods,
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Speaker 1: et cetera. And some of this stuff does have a
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Speaker 1: legislative aspect to it that can be reduced, and that
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Speaker 1: is in the form of, you know, for example, the
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Speaker 1: removal of the deer colleague letter that was put in
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Speaker 1: a place during Obama's first term that essentially gave you know,
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Speaker 1: men a much harder time in terms of their experiences
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Speaker 1: on college campuses. But the deer colleague letter and the
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Speaker 1: deluthe model are both models that are used in other
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Speaker 1: places as well. So it's not just college campuses, it's
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Speaker 1: the workplace. You know, it's your business. It's like any
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Speaker 1: number of ways. And I can give you some examples
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Speaker 1: as to why I think that this is going to
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Speaker 1: get re examined. First of all, again we have some precedents.
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Speaker 1: So Trump did bring on Betsy Devas. I don't know
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Speaker 1: who he's got for the Board of Education, Now, the
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Speaker 1: only thing I do know is that they're talking about
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Speaker 1: doing something about the Federal Board of Education, not education,
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Speaker 1: just the federalization of education. Obviously, schools will exist, but
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Speaker 1: they won't be federal. There won't be these federal mandates
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Speaker 1: that involve things like, you know, critical race theory and
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Speaker 1: these other kind of woke ideologies. Now I don't know
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Speaker 1: how well or how easy is to remove them. I
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Speaker 1: think it's going to be very challenging. But the point
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Speaker 1: is they know what the target is. But like, what's
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Speaker 1: happened to the guys that Trump has brought on board
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Speaker 1: for his team, and I think this is also another
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Speaker 1: part that should be brought up. So I have this.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna like make my ugly ass disappear for a
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Speaker 1: second so I can show you all. So I have this.
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Speaker 1: It is called the hold on a second, the growing
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Speaker 1: list of sexual misconduct allegations, again Trump's picks. And this
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Speaker 1: comes from a website called nineteenthnews dot org. Ironically named nineteenth.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a reference to the vote
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Speaker 1: for women, but that's the name of the website. And
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Speaker 1: what is the purpose of this website. Well, the purpose
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Speaker 1: of this is to essentially poison the well against the
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Speaker 1: incoming administration by saying, look, all of these men are
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Speaker 1: found accused of various allegations or various misbehaviors against women.
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Speaker 1: Of course they have right, and it's very suspicious. Now,
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Speaker 1: of course, none of these are proven. That's why they
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Speaker 1: have to call them allegations. But you guys know that
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Speaker 1: when Trump was doing his Supreme Court picks, what happened
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Speaker 1: to Brett Kavanaugh. He faced like an extremely aggressive campaign
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Speaker 1: of allegations of misogyny and misconduct and everything against him
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Speaker 1: to the point where it was traumatizing. Because that's that's
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Speaker 1: the way these people operate, right, that is the the
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Speaker 1: and they tried to essentially make it to where he
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Speaker 1: couldn't be brought on board to join the Supreme Court.
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Speaker 1: And it's it's a super effective tool. Saying that this
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Speaker 1: man harms women is the ultimate tool to destroy him.
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Speaker 1: And they know this, right. So who are the people, Well,
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Speaker 1: first we have Pete Hesgeth, a Fox and Friends Weekend
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Speaker 1: co host and veteran of the Army National Guard who
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Speaker 1: is leading the Department of Defense. Okay, so he was
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Speaker 1: accused and of course I'll just read through the section
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Speaker 1: on him, And what I want you guys to bear
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Speaker 1: in mind is is that, like, none of this is proven.
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Speaker 1: This is all just a tool to essentially create a
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Speaker 1: chilling effect around these individuals so that in the hopes
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Speaker 1: that they would lose their power or lose their their
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Speaker 1: ability to do their job essentially right now. And I
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Speaker 1: think that what's interesting about this is that all these
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Speaker 1: guys are going to be experiencing this, and they're probably
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Speaker 1: all going to deny everything, and there's probably no real
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Speaker 1: case against it. I mean, trump is Hill himself has
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Speaker 1: been accused what like forty something times according to some
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Speaker 1: media sources. There's no evidence of any of it. But
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Speaker 1: it is a way to essentially taint someone because the
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Speaker 1: truth is, in this society, in the world we live
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Speaker 1: in today, if a woman accused you of something, we
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Speaker 1: don't need evidence. It will destroy your reputation. People will
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Speaker 1: look at you differently, they'll never fully like come around
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Speaker 1: to the idea that you might have been innocent. This
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Speaker 1: is a very, very destructive tool, and they're not afraid
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Speaker 1: to use it. Okay, So all right, anyway, A staff
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Speaker 1: member of the California Federation of Republican Women accuse Hesgith
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Speaker 1: of sexually assaulting her in twenty seventeen, after she spoke
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Speaker 1: at a conference about five days after the alleged assault,
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Speaker 1: and emergency room nurse contacted law enforcement after treating a
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Speaker 1: woman who she said may have been drugged and raped.
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Speaker 1: This sounds super serious, right, according to a twenty two
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Speaker 1: page batch of police documents that include the emergency rooms
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Speaker 1: nurses report, the woman's testimony, the officers, and hes Geth's
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Speaker 1: version of events. So that's Pete Hesgeth. Who's the guy
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Speaker 1: that is going to be part of the the Let's see,
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Speaker 1: he was the lead Department of Defense, right, He's the
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Speaker 1: guy that's the pick. Then we have Robert F. Kennedy Junior.
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Speaker 1: So Robert F. Kennedy RFK Junior was also accused. So
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Speaker 1: Trump announced his intent to intent to nominate Kennedy to
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Speaker 1: lead or head the Department of Health and Human Services.
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Speaker 1: Eliza Cooney, a woman Kennedy hired decades ago to babystad
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Speaker 1: his children, accused Kennedy of sexually assaulting her in the
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Speaker 1: late nineteen nineties, according to an exclusive interview with Vanity
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Speaker 1: Fair published in July of this year. So, and these
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Speaker 1: are old allegations, Okay, So the one against HASGETH is
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Speaker 1: from like twenty seventeen. Supposedly, the one against RFK was
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Speaker 1: in the nineties. They don't even give you a specific year, right.
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Speaker 1: Linda McMahon, who is apparently the husband of Vince McMahon
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Speaker 1: of the WWE, which is super weird. She has been
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Speaker 1: brought on to lead or head the Department of Education
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Speaker 1: and they are both named as defendants Linda McMahon and
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Speaker 1: her husband Vince McMahon in a lawsuit including claims of
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Speaker 1: sexual misconduct. The lawsuit, filed in October, which is right
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Speaker 1: on time, right, alleges that multiple WWE staffers sexually assaulted
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Speaker 1: underage boys in the nineteen eighties and the nineteen nineties.
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Speaker 1: The lawsuit claims that the McMahons created a work culture
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Speaker 1: that allowed such sexual misconduct. These claims, referred to as
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Speaker 1: the Ringboys scandal, are discussed in the Netflix series because
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Speaker 1: I know we can believe the Netflix series, right, mister
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Speaker 1: McMahon released earlier this year, and again this this is
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Speaker 1: again all of these you know, like whatever the courts
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Speaker 1: or whatever the investigation you know, comes up with, I
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Speaker 1: guess hopefully there's strong evidence one way or the other.
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Speaker 1: But it's it's it's very interesting how you can weaponize
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Speaker 1: victimhood or at least like cast men's i don't know,
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Speaker 1: like sexuality into question by essentially like creating this this
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Speaker 1: icky miasma of you know, creepy sexual predatory behavior. And
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Speaker 1: that's rich, by the way, coming from the White House.
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Speaker 1: But so yeah, there's another there's another one. Elon Musk
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Speaker 1: apparently was also accused he will provide more of an
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Speaker 1: outsider consultancy than lead a government agency because he's not
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Speaker 1: a citizen and he's not like a member of the
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Speaker 1: political class. But he is going to be acting in
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Speaker 1: a consulting role to lead the newly conceived Department of
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Speaker 1: Government Efficiency, also known as DOGE. Musk is facing a
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Speaker 1: lawsuit filed by eight former ex SpaceX employees who allege
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Speaker 1: that he wrongfully fired them after they accused the company
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Speaker 1: of tolerating sexual harassment in the workplace. According to court documents,
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Speaker 1: each plaintiff experience exposure and unwanted conduct and comments of
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Speaker 1: a sexual nature by Elon Musk. Musk also allegedly interjected
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Speaker 1: the work environment with vile sexual photographs, memes, and commentary
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Speaker 1: that demeaned women and or the LGBTQ plus community according
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Speaker 1: to the lawsuit. So this is another set of allegations
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Speaker 1: of sexism. Matt Gates is the last one I know that.
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Speaker 1: Matt Gates has recently declined the position that was offered
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Speaker 1: to him, like literally, I learned about it. I think
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Speaker 1: it was yesterday. But this the point stands at. What
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Speaker 1: I'm saying is that they are weaponizing claims of harm
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Speaker 1: to women as their means to discredit. And this is
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Speaker 1: exactly what happened when the Me Too movement went off
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Speaker 1: the rails. People call it cancel culture. It's ultimately just
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Speaker 1: the me too movement in a more like say broad
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Speaker 1: you know, in a broader lens or a broader sense.
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Speaker 1: So Matt Gates was nominated to become Attorney General, the
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Speaker 1: nation's top law enforcement official. But Gates, who faced allegations
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Speaker 1: of illicit drug use and sexual misconduct, withdrew about a
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Speaker 1: week later. Now they're claiming they're trying to make it
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Speaker 1: seem like he withdrew because of that. But my understanding
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Speaker 1: is is that they didn't want Gates and so their
21:45
Speaker 1: Gates might have a different position on as part of
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Speaker 1: the team, not specifically as the Attorney general. Because he
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Speaker 1: already has a woman on board for that. And one
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Speaker 1: of the things about this too is they're gonna the
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Speaker 1: woman is actually could potentially be scared for them than
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Speaker 1: Matt Gates, and so like it's it's funny because we
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Speaker 1: have just let me just put this together. Okay, So
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Speaker 1: we have a number of people, essentially every member that
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Speaker 1: he has nominated, there has been hit pieces written about
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Speaker 1: how bad they are for women specifically. This has been
22:22
Speaker 1: the only beat that they've had since the Democrats have
22:25
Speaker 1: been like running right in for the whole twenty twenty
22:28
Speaker 1: four presidential cycle has been about women, and they're just
22:31
Speaker 1: sort of doubling down on that even though they've lost.
22:35
Speaker 1: But what I'm hoping for and what might be the case,
22:37
Speaker 1: I think is that and I mean Trump in twenty
22:40
Speaker 1: fifteen when he was running acknowledged that men have problems
22:44
Speaker 1: and that we have to look out for them. And
22:47
Speaker 1: I think that some of that did sort of come
22:50
Speaker 1: out or become reality with the removal of the Dear
22:54
Speaker 1: Colleague letter and a restoration of some if not a
22:58
Speaker 1: pretty well balanced according to Jonathan Taylor, approach to these
23:03
Speaker 1: kinds of situations put forward by Betsy de Vos, and
23:06
Speaker 1: so I think like they're not working backwards from the conclusion.
23:10
Speaker 1: You know, Arvis the guy who I interviewed, the ex
23:12
Speaker 1: military guy. He talked about how in the upper echelons
23:17
Speaker 1: of the military industrial complex, they have this whole concept
23:21
Speaker 1: of you know, they believe the rape culture narrative. They're
23:25
Speaker 1: basically like operating backwards from the presumption, which is, you know, uh,
23:32
Speaker 1: one in four women whatever whatever. So we're not finding
23:35
Speaker 1: that many, we're not making as many convictions, but the
23:39
Speaker 1: data says this according to experts, so we have to
23:42
Speaker 1: find more guilty people. We're just not doing enough. And
23:45
Speaker 1: that's that's exactly the way the feminists work. That's exactly
23:48
Speaker 1: the way these people operate. It's all about like, hey,
23:52
Speaker 1: this should be happening way more. If you're not finding
23:54
Speaker 1: that it's happening way more, it's not because it's not
23:56
Speaker 1: happening way more. It's because you're not doing enough to
23:59
Speaker 1: find the people that are doing it. And so they're
24:02
Speaker 1: sort of put in a position where they have to essentially,
24:05
Speaker 1: you know, get those numbers up, pump those numbers up.
24:08
Speaker 1: So doctor Warren Ferrell has been He wrote an article
24:12
Speaker 1: about how he basically comes to the realization that the Democrats,
24:17
Speaker 1: and just for the sake of being more universal, I'm
24:23
Speaker 1: just gonna say the left because it's kind of the same.
24:25
Speaker 1: I think when you start talking about parties, you know,
24:28
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like pitfalls there because then you
24:31
Speaker 1: start thinking that the Republicans are better, and they're not
24:34
Speaker 1: much better, to be honest, so at least not when
24:37
Speaker 1: it comes to men's issues. So I'd rather just say
24:40
Speaker 1: like the feminist left, which includes people that have ours
24:44
Speaker 1: next to their name. I mean, like one of the
24:46
Speaker 1: people who made an allegation against I think it was
24:52
Speaker 1: let me see some one of the people who made
24:53
Speaker 1: an allegation against Elon. No, it was there was one person,
25:00
Speaker 1: the Republican woman that made an allegation, so that, yeah,
25:05
Speaker 1: it's it's not like that matters that much. But he
25:09
Speaker 1: basically said that the left is not going to be
25:12
Speaker 1: able to help men, and they can't. And that's what
25:14
Speaker 1: I've been saying this for years. I don't even know
25:17
Speaker 1: that it can be reinvented to include them, because at
25:20
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it has to take into
25:22
Speaker 1: account the way in which statism itself impacts men disproportionately.
25:27
Speaker 1: Compared to women. And if you're a leftist, you're going
25:30
Speaker 1: to be a statist because you're gonna you believe the
25:32
Speaker 1: state solves problems, and that will necessarily have to infringe
25:37
Speaker 1: on men regardless. So there's really nothing that the left
25:41
Speaker 1: can do, Like I don't like, they would have to
25:43
Speaker 1: stop being what they are, and I don't think that
25:44
Speaker 1: they're gonna do that, so and then if they did,
25:47
Speaker 1: then they wouldn't be the left anymore. So it's it's
25:49
Speaker 1: sort of like a moot point. Now. I think that
25:53
Speaker 1: what Trump has put together, if if all these guys
25:56
Speaker 1: have had this experience, and he's already done some decent
25:59
Speaker 1: stuff up with, you know, like Title nind before, that
26:04
Speaker 1: we may see opportunities for change. But I don't think that.
26:09
Speaker 1: I think like Blue Orange twenty two approached me and
26:13
Speaker 1: said that they should make like a you know, a
26:16
Speaker 1: department for men or something in the White House, And
26:19
Speaker 1: I know that doctor Warrenferell in the past had proposed
26:23
Speaker 1: a kind of White House counsel on men, and I
26:26
Speaker 1: don't agree with that. I don't think that we should
26:29
Speaker 1: do that at all. I think that the only thing
26:30
Speaker 1: that we should be focused on is essentially minimizing the
26:34
Speaker 1: impact of the state on men and by extension, on families,
26:39
Speaker 1: not getting in the way of you know, men being
26:41
Speaker 1: involved with their children, not getting in the way of
26:44
Speaker 1: men being able to pursue, you know, like their careers
26:48
Speaker 1: or start their businesses. I think that's really the only
26:50
Speaker 1: thing they can do other than essentially make the laws
26:53
Speaker 1: more fair, you know, like recognize that men can be
26:56
Speaker 1: victims of sexual abuse and buy women, that women can
27:00
Speaker 1: also conduct these things. This is stuff that they can
27:03
Speaker 1: do at the level that is I think within reach
27:07
Speaker 1: for the government. And also you know, like not get
27:09
Speaker 1: involved with any wars. You know, that's I would I
27:12
Speaker 1: would say that's good too. So those are my thoughts
27:15
Speaker 1: on that. I have a feeling that their experiences are
27:19
Speaker 1: definitely gonna color or at least have some effect on
27:23
Speaker 1: their you know, like what happens going forward. We'll see.
27:27
Speaker 1: So again, give give me a call. Oh, I got
27:32
Speaker 1: we got some angry people in the special chat. If
27:34
Speaker 1: you're in the special Chat, the Vertical Chat, and you
27:37
Speaker 1: want to call in, there's a link in the description.
27:39
Speaker 1: You can jump into the discord server and I will
27:42
Speaker 1: bring you in and you can air your grievances. So
27:44
Speaker 1: all right, let me see. Do I have any any questions?
27:49
Speaker 1: Put in the questions chat Darth. If there's anyone that
27:51
Speaker 1: wants to say anything, let me know and I'll take them.
27:57
Speaker 1: So let's see. Uh So, Charlene England, you can, you
28:05
Speaker 1: can come in and tell me yourself what you think.
28:09
Speaker 1: I just prefer that you make arguments and not just
28:11
Speaker 1: sling insults. That would be cool, because like I think
28:15
Speaker 1: that well, I don't know, I don't know what. I
28:18
Speaker 1: don't know, like what you believe. So give me a
28:21
Speaker 1: give me an idea, come on in. Mm hm uh
28:32
Speaker 1: and yeah. So so. Warren Ferrell has been on a
28:34
Speaker 1: few more non leftist podcasts. He was on American Thought Leaders.
28:41
Speaker 1: He was on there for a good like hour and
28:46
Speaker 1: that was a really good conversation. I think he was
28:48
Speaker 1: on Epic Times. He spoke to Larry Elder and all
28:52
Speaker 1: of these people they really they really want to hear
28:54
Speaker 1: him out on this stuff. And I think that I
28:57
Speaker 1: think that when it comes to like what we do,
29:01
Speaker 1: I think we have to get behind the people and
29:03
Speaker 1: kind of champion the people that are moving at least
29:07
Speaker 1: looking in the right direction, even if they have some
29:10
Speaker 1: ideas that are you know, wrong, And I think that
29:13
Speaker 1: we have a much better chance with the non left
29:16
Speaker 1: than we do with the left. That's how I see it. Like,
29:20
Speaker 1: for example, when Warren Ferrell was on Larry Elders show,
29:23
Speaker 1: Larry Elder, you know, if you guys don't know, he's
29:25
Speaker 1: like the black face of white supremacy, and he was
29:29
Speaker 1: running for president in twenty twenty four. Obviously his campaign
29:32
Speaker 1: didn't really go anywhere because he doesn't have the he
29:35
Speaker 1: didn't really have a chance, but he wanted to like
29:36
Speaker 1: at least make a statement with by running. And when
29:43
Speaker 1: he was talking to Warren Ferrell, Larry Elder has this
29:46
Speaker 1: anecdote that he always gives. It's basically his life story,
29:48
Speaker 1: because his thing is he's trying to debunk these narratives
29:52
Speaker 1: around you know, white supremacy in the United States and like,
29:57
Speaker 1: and part of that comes down to his he recogniz
30:00
Speaker 1: or acknowledges the fatherless, the fatherless epidemic in the black population,
30:06
Speaker 1: which is also basically a big problem everywhere. And he
30:10
Speaker 1: gets a lot of this stuff right like where you
30:12
Speaker 1: know Lyndon B. Johnson, the Great Society, women were essentially
30:18
Speaker 1: incentivized to keep the fathers out of the home and
30:22
Speaker 1: it was disastrous for a number of reasons. And then
30:25
Speaker 1: you have Warren Ferrell in his book The Boy Crisis,
30:27
Speaker 1: which is the last book he wrote, and you know,
30:30
Speaker 1: there's a lot of overlap where they meet there. But
30:33
Speaker 1: I think where Larry Elder gets it wrong, and this
30:36
Speaker 1: is a common thing amongst the conservative people, is that
30:41
Speaker 1: men are the ones that have to step up and
30:44
Speaker 1: be fathers and be present. But that is only a
30:48
Speaker 1: half of the obviously, that's only half of the issue.
30:52
Speaker 1: And Warren Ferrell did kind of like nudge him on
30:54
Speaker 1: that to say, well, you know, we are essentially like
30:58
Speaker 1: women do play a role in this. They are adults.
31:01
Speaker 1: They do make choices, and they are choosing, you know,
31:04
Speaker 1: which men to sleep with, which men they allow to
31:07
Speaker 1: impregnate them, which men that they're you know, and they
31:10
Speaker 1: also decide to exclude them from seeing their children, or
31:14
Speaker 1: they choose to sleep with men who have no intention
31:16
Speaker 1: of sticking around, and so like, these are important factors
31:20
Speaker 1: because if women were a little bit more discerning with
31:22
Speaker 1: who they slept with and were more careful with their fertility,
31:26
Speaker 1: then we probably wouldn't have these problems. And maybe then
31:30
Speaker 1: the kind of men that they would attract would be
31:33
Speaker 1: the kind of men that would stick around and not
31:35
Speaker 1: the kind of men that would pump it and dump it,
31:37
Speaker 1: because you know, like why would if you just if
31:40
Speaker 1: you're a guy that you just want to like get laid.
31:42
Speaker 1: And I don't blame you for that, but if that's
31:44
Speaker 1: what you want, then you know, a woman who wants
31:48
Speaker 1: like somebody who's going to stick around should not get
31:51
Speaker 1: involved with you because it's not good for you and
31:53
Speaker 1: it's not good for her. So so yeah, I mean,
31:56
Speaker 1: I think that there's a number of things that that
32:01
Speaker 1: some good that can come from that, because I think
32:03
Speaker 1: it did get Larry Elder thinking about it outside of
32:07
Speaker 1: this kind of gynocentric framework. So, uh, Darsonic has Okay,
32:12
Speaker 1: we got somebody. So he says, the new boy at
32:15
Speaker 1: Anon wants to talk to you about the pro Man
32:17
Speaker 1: collective and destiny. Also, he needs to bring in both
32:20
Speaker 1: him and his alt account trouble. If this doesn't work,
32:24
Speaker 1: don't blame me, he says. He's prone to technical difficulties.
32:28
Speaker 1: All right, well I'll try. All right, I'm gonna bring
32:30
Speaker 1: in both these guys. I guess I got to bring
32:32
Speaker 1: them both in here. So what's up. You're on the air,
32:37
Speaker 1: what's on your mind?
32:40
Speaker 2: Hey?
32:41
Speaker 1: Hey, he's working. Okay, it's working, it's working. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,
32:48
Speaker 1: go ahead.
32:50
Speaker 3: Ah, yes, So you know, before before I go on,
32:52
Speaker 3: you know, I just don't want to say I really
32:53
Speaker 3: appreciate the show.
32:55
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
32:57
Speaker 2: And I love all of you.
32:59
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, okay, And so you know, I want
33:05
Speaker 3: to say something about debate I've been debating.
33:11
Speaker 1: Are you the guy? Are you the guy that called
33:13
Speaker 1: Sam Ceedar that one time? Yea, and yeah, okay, I
33:17
Speaker 1: remember you, man. What's up? How you doing?
33:20
Speaker 2: Yeah?
33:21
Speaker 3: And last time I told you to watch that debate?
33:23
Speaker 2: Did you?
33:25
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I haven't. I haven't had a chance. I
33:27
Speaker 1: ended up. I've been I'm gonna watch it, but I
33:30
Speaker 1: ended up so busy with so many things, like like
33:33
Speaker 1: I've been doing hosting streams for other people a lot lately.
33:38
Speaker 1: But so yeah, I'll get to it. Did you send
33:42
Speaker 1: me a link? Did you send me a link? Already?
33:45
Speaker 2: I think I think?
33:47
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, and it's in it's in discord, yes, okay,
33:53
Speaker 1: is a d M. Yes, okay, I will look at it.
33:56
Speaker 2: I boasted it in this in gender or.
34:00
Speaker 1: It's in here in the general. Okay, all right, I's
34:03
Speaker 1: MD I think, yeah, all right, well okay, cool, Well
34:07
Speaker 1: what did you want to ask me about debates?
34:11
Speaker 3: Well, I think you should cover debates about this subject
34:19
Speaker 3: and you don't.
34:20
Speaker 2: So what do you think about that?
34:21
Speaker 3: You know, maybe, you know, I don't know many MRA
34:23
Speaker 3: debates that are happening these days, but you know there's mine.
34:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know.
34:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, you know, maybe you should cover debates on
34:32
Speaker 3: your show, you know, review them or something.
34:34
Speaker 1: That's not I mean, yeah, I would be with I
34:36
Speaker 1: don't run the channel. I know I'm always on here,
34:39
Speaker 1: but it's not my channel, it's Allison's. So I think
34:43
Speaker 1: that we used to do that a few years ago.
34:47
Speaker 1: We used to do these shows where we would look
34:49
Speaker 1: at debates, but there weren't a lot of debates happening.
34:52
Speaker 1: I guess yours, and I don't know if there's a
34:55
Speaker 1: lot of other people, or at least if there are
34:57
Speaker 1: people debating the feminists they're not men's rights activists. They're like,
35:00
Speaker 1: you know, trad cons and stuff.
35:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, you can you can suggest this
35:07
Speaker 3: to Alison, I suppose, so you know, the debates I've
35:12
Speaker 3: been having with streamers. The recent ones I think, you know,
35:17
Speaker 3: you can cover it on the show. I think they
35:19
Speaker 3: are good.
35:19
Speaker 1: Did your debate Destiny.
35:23
Speaker 2: You know I have no?
35:25
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, because Darsonic mentioned the collective and Destiny.
35:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to get to that.
35:35
Speaker 3: But you know I've been you know, I can send
35:38
Speaker 3: you a bunch of debates that I've had with a
35:40
Speaker 3: bunch of you know, mid sized and big streamers. And
35:44
Speaker 3: you know, don't watch that David Pack No, no, no,
35:49
Speaker 3: that Sam Seedter thing, don't don't watch that.
35:51
Speaker 2: That was way back ago.
35:53
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you said that you did something, you have
35:56
Speaker 1: something much better now.
35:58
Speaker 3: Yes, So you know, certainly I've been getting better at
36:01
Speaker 3: debating people, so you know, the recent ones are much better,
36:05
Speaker 3: I think.
36:06
Speaker 1: Okay, And who was the most like? I mean, that
36:09
Speaker 1: doesn't matter to me how prominent they are, I guess,
36:12
Speaker 1: but if you have like a prominent one.
36:15
Speaker 3: I debated David pa Oh yeah, you know, it was
36:22
Speaker 3: like a short call in thing.
36:24
Speaker 1: He did a call in and you call David Pacman.
36:28
Speaker 1: Are you subscribed to him?
36:31
Speaker 2: No?
36:32
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I was just wondering how you know when
36:34
Speaker 1: he's doing new stuff.
36:37
Speaker 3: Yes, so you know I debated him, you know, and
36:38
Speaker 3: I got like a good reception from his own audience.
36:43
Speaker 1: Oh that's good.
36:46
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was good.
36:47
Speaker 3: You know, I think you can cover that up, you know,
36:51
Speaker 3: like the all the intricacies of the arguments that you
36:53
Speaker 3: know went on there. And another thing I wanted to
36:57
Speaker 3: say was, have you heard of you know, there's this
37:00
Speaker 3: another m a group called the pro Maal Collective. Have
37:05
Speaker 3: you heard of them?
37:08
Speaker 1: No? No, I'm sorry. Are they the ones that that
37:14
Speaker 1: were the guy who host city says, We're man, We're
37:18
Speaker 1: we men? Ain't we? Is that that show? I don't
37:21
Speaker 1: know if that's that one. I think that might be
37:23
Speaker 1: something else. Link them, Yeah, go ahead and link them.
37:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to link them. So, you know, there's
37:32
Speaker 3: a guy with like a thousand subscribers, and I think
37:35
Speaker 3: you briefly mentioned them, and you know, so there's this
37:39
Speaker 3: another group. You briefly mentioned them, so I thought, you know,
37:43
Speaker 3: maybe I mentioned that to you.
37:45
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
37:46
Speaker 1: What was it called.
37:48
Speaker 2: So there's a guy that goes by the name of
37:51
Speaker 2: City Crusher.
37:53
Speaker 1: City Crusher?
37:55
Speaker 2: Yes, No, I don't know.
37:58
Speaker 1: I see the David Pacman video. Think that you found
38:02
Speaker 1: it your talk with David Pacman. I'll drop the link
38:07
Speaker 1: in here and then watch it on my own time
38:10
Speaker 1: because I don't want to shut up. I don't want
38:15
Speaker 1: to I don't want to distract from the show. But
38:21
Speaker 1: I'll look at it, thank you.
38:24
Speaker 3: Yeah sure. And you know Destiny about Destiny he has
38:29
Speaker 3: he mentioned, you know, he was watching Kamala Harris, you know,
38:33
Speaker 3: when she was with the call her Daddy thing. Yeah,
38:37
Speaker 3: and she talked about, you know, how there's no laws
38:40
Speaker 3: that control men's bodies, right, what you know?
38:45
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, right, yeah, about how there are
38:47
Speaker 1: no laws or control men's bodies.
38:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, yes, So a lot of people on Twitter
38:52
Speaker 3: were calling her out, like, yeah, there's a draft, and
38:54
Speaker 3: Destiny saw that and he had a bunch of shitty
38:58
Speaker 3: comments to make about that.
39:01
Speaker 1: What what is the common what is the common argument
39:04
Speaker 1: that people make when you bring up the draft? What
39:07
Speaker 1: is the argument that they that the people who are
39:10
Speaker 1: against that argument would.
39:11
Speaker 2: Say, it hasn't been tried in like sixty years?
39:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what and what is your response to that?
39:21
Speaker 2: Yeah? The law still exists?
39:23
Speaker 1: Yeah? Are you are you in a Are you in
39:26
Speaker 1: the United States? Do you live in the US or Canada?
39:30
Speaker 2: No?
39:31
Speaker 1: Okay, where do you live? Do if you don't mind me.
39:33
Speaker 2: Asking, well, India, unfortunately, it's.
39:39
Speaker 1: Not unfortunate, is it. Well, okay, in do they have
39:42
Speaker 1: a draft in India?
39:45
Speaker 2: No, but they have like Jim Crew in India for men.
39:48
Speaker 1: Yes, right, they have a gym. Okay, well this is what.
39:52
Speaker 1: But my answer would be is that the problem with
39:55
Speaker 1: their argument that there hasn't been a draft in however
39:58
Speaker 1: long is that it's very let's say, like eurocentric perspective
40:05
Speaker 1: or a Western centric perspective, because they're drafting people in
40:11
Speaker 1: the Ukraine right now. So I mean they were drafting,
40:15
Speaker 1: like the draft is going on, and you can this
40:18
Speaker 1: is the thing, you can actually hoist these people on
40:20
Speaker 1: their own petard because you could say, you know, well,
40:23
Speaker 1: this is I'm not specifically talking about my you know,
40:26
Speaker 1: like the United States or any specific country. I'm talking
40:29
Speaker 1: about in general. And if you look at the Ukraine War,
40:33
Speaker 1: when Russia invaded, they started drafting men and then they
40:36
Speaker 1: raise the age limit of drafted men to like mid forties.
40:41
Speaker 1: So there are men who are way past their prime
40:43
Speaker 1: that are being forced to fight, you know, against like
40:47
Speaker 1: Russia by the Ukrainian government that is essentially taking charge
40:51
Speaker 1: of men's bodies even trans women lose their rights as
40:55
Speaker 1: trans women when there's a war, so like that's completely
40:59
Speaker 1: out the window, right, Yeah, here's.
41:02
Speaker 3: The thing that you would love to hear. I think,
41:04
Speaker 3: you know, there's a really funny thing that happened. So
41:08
Speaker 3: a trans woman called into Destiny, you know, back then
41:12
Speaker 3: when he still used to do Collins. So a trans
41:14
Speaker 3: woman in the Ukraine, she isn't he or should I say,
41:20
Speaker 3: is in Ukraine? Like there's a war zone happening, and
41:23
Speaker 3: you know he's calling into Destiny saying I'm a I'm
41:26
Speaker 3: a transwoman. You know it sucks that, you know, Ukraine
41:30
Speaker 3: is not accepting my trans status and you know I
41:34
Speaker 3: can't avoid the draft.
41:36
Speaker 2: I can't leave the country.
41:39
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, But but you can use a woman's bathroom.
41:43
Speaker 1: I guess that's I guess there's that.
41:46
Speaker 2: You know.
41:46
Speaker 3: The the good thing is that people in Chad were
41:49
Speaker 3: calling her out on it, so like, you know, this
41:51
Speaker 3: is this sex is like you know, so you should
41:53
Speaker 3: you know, you're a trance, you're trans woman, so you
41:56
Speaker 3: should be able to like leave the country, but the
41:59
Speaker 3: men shouldn't.
42:00
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, that's right, No, that's right, that's right.
42:03
Speaker 1: You can't use that well, that's specifically. I think why
42:06
Speaker 1: they made the trans women take off the dress and
42:09
Speaker 1: put on the uniform because if they let them go,
42:12
Speaker 1: then all the other men are gonna want to go.
42:14
Speaker 2: And the fact is huh yeah, but don't get happy
42:18
Speaker 2: about it. You know.
42:19
Speaker 3: I'm sure that they had the wrong intentions. They were
42:24
Speaker 3: only saying this because they don't believe that trans women
42:27
Speaker 3: or woman. That's what their intention was. If it was
42:30
Speaker 3: an actual woman, nobody in Chad would have said that.
42:34
Speaker 3: So that's an actual intention.
42:36
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Well do you think that women do you
42:40
Speaker 1: think what do you think about should be done about
42:42
Speaker 1: the draft? Do you think that we should draft women
42:44
Speaker 1: or do you think we should draft nobody?
42:48
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's outside the scope of you know,
42:50
Speaker 3: this is you know, this is like a like this
42:54
Speaker 3: is a bad thing for Emma Race, Like this is
42:58
Speaker 3: basically detailing, you know, because if it's yeah, if the
43:02
Speaker 3: draft applies to everybody, it's outside the scope of you know,
43:06
Speaker 3: men's rights. It's outside it's not relevant.
43:09
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. But it doesn't, right, But it doesn't. It's
43:12
Speaker 1: only it's only man at this stage.
43:14
Speaker 2: Yes, so it's not The issue is not about the draft.
43:17
Speaker 2: The issue is about sexism.
43:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so you know, if anybody talks about you know,
43:22
Speaker 3: such as from sexism to the draft, they are derailing
43:26
Speaker 3: and you know that's bad form. So yeah, they had
43:33
Speaker 3: the wrong intentions. And also when Destiny was on stream
43:40
Speaker 3: and watching Kamala Harris, if you want to watch it,
43:45
Speaker 3: he was I think talking with Alex O'Connor, like, if
43:49
Speaker 3: you want to watch Destiny like mention all of this?
43:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was this a debate or are they like
43:55
Speaker 1: watching like a speech or an interview with Kamala Harrison.
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Speaker 3: The Destiny was in an interview with Alex O'Connor.
44:08
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know who Alex O'Connor is. Let me see,
44:12
Speaker 1: but go go on, what about it?
44:14
Speaker 2: You just want me to watch it?
44:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can cover it on the show. I think
44:18
Speaker 3: that's like good enough to be covered on the show.
44:22
Speaker 1: Oh comic cosmic skeptic? Is that the guy? Oh yeah,
44:29
Speaker 1: the new Destiny and Alex O'Connor conversation is here. All right, Well,
44:33
Speaker 1: I have the tab open, so I'll take a look
44:35
Speaker 1: at it. Maybe, like I'll say it to Alison to
44:38
Speaker 1: see if she wants to talk about it, But it's
44:39
Speaker 1: really up to her. She's the boss. I just facilitate.
44:45
Speaker 3: Okay, you know you can like open up the transcript
44:48
Speaker 3: and like look up when he mentions the draft.
44:53
Speaker 1: Yeah I can, Yeah, we can. We can definitely get
44:57
Speaker 1: a transcript.
45:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's on YouTube, and you know one of the
45:02
Speaker 3: like you know, if I still have time or if
45:04
Speaker 3: you want to call it. But so, one of the
45:07
Speaker 3: arguments that Destiny makes in that clip is that, you know,
45:11
Speaker 3: abortion is not at all comparable to the draft, Like
45:14
Speaker 3: a draft is not active right now, he says, but abortion,
45:18
Speaker 3: like that's an active thing right now. I'm I'm paraphrasing
45:22
Speaker 3: a little bit, but that's his argument. I think that's
45:26
Speaker 3: a shitty argument because you know, technically, you know, nobody
45:29
Speaker 3: in the United States has denied they're like killing a
45:33
Speaker 3: baby rights because all you have to do is like
45:35
Speaker 3: go to another state.
45:37
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, right, Like so yeah, but like most states,
45:42
Speaker 1: most states they're they're not gonna make it. They're not
45:44
Speaker 1: going to ban it, like I think maybe three maybe,
45:49
Speaker 1: but I yeah, it's it's a very unlikely outcome, but
45:56
Speaker 1: more unlikely than the draft.
45:58
Speaker 3: Like, but go on, you know, I would put it
46:02
Speaker 3: this way, that you know, abortion is not prohibited in
46:06
Speaker 3: the US, it's just moved further away. Mm hmmm, Like
46:12
Speaker 3: you just have to go to you just have to
46:14
Speaker 3: go further away to get an abortion. It's not like
46:17
Speaker 3: your abortion if you really want to get away, but
46:20
Speaker 3: it's not like anybody's like seriously stopping you from do that.
46:25
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh. And well the other thing too is that
46:30
Speaker 1: like the abortion laws will not impact the women, they'll
46:33
Speaker 1: impact the doctors performing the abortions, So the women aren't
46:37
Speaker 1: actually going to be the ones that get in trouble.
46:40
Speaker 1: So even then, it's probably going to be a man
46:43
Speaker 1: that ends up suffering the consequences if he aborts, you know,
46:46
Speaker 1: let's say he performs an abortion illegally. The abortionist is
46:50
Speaker 1: the one that will have to face the consequences, not
46:54
Speaker 1: the woman. It's just another way that that women avoid responsibility. Really.
47:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I also like how you know, women cares
47:04
Speaker 3: so much about this, but you know, they don't care
47:08
Speaker 3: about you know, when the baby is born and you
47:10
Speaker 3: know it's going to get dorged probably to that, they
47:14
Speaker 3: don't care about that, you know. Not it's not like
47:16
Speaker 3: it's a small issue. It's not an issue whatsoever. It's
47:21
Speaker 3: not even like it's not even mentioned once. So mm,
47:27
Speaker 3: this is.
47:30
Speaker 2: I don't have words to that. I don't have words
47:32
Speaker 2: for this.
47:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well, well and on I gotta I
47:37
Speaker 1: gotta go take another call. So thank you for popping in,
47:41
Speaker 1: and thank you for giving me that link. I'm gonna
47:43
Speaker 1: I have the Destiny one and the David Pacman one.
47:47
Speaker 3: I will you you know, do look it up. I
47:51
Speaker 3: will send you more.
47:53
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, sounds good man. Thank you, thanks for
47:56
Speaker 1: coming in and calling in. Have a good one. Many.
47:59
Speaker 1: I'm gonna move his accounts away, all right, So we
48:03
Speaker 1: got uh, somebody else please call in. I see the
48:07
Speaker 1: people in the vertical chat are yelling at me. So
48:11
Speaker 1: if you disagree, get in here, join the get into
48:15
Speaker 1: the discord. There's a link in the description. You can
48:17
Speaker 1: come in here and tell me what like, give me
48:19
Speaker 1: a piece of your mind. Isn't it illegal in pro
48:24
Speaker 1: life states to travel to different states for abortion? No,
48:27
Speaker 1: no it's not. That's ridiculous. Used to be cosmic skeptic.
48:32
Speaker 1: I think he wants to go by his real name. Now, okay, then, yeah,
48:34
Speaker 1: this is the right video that I have up. I
48:37
Speaker 1: just wanted to know because when I searched it, it
48:39
Speaker 1: came up cosmic skeptic, So yeah, please call in. Otherwise
48:46
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a short show. I only got
48:48
Speaker 1: ten minutes left anyways. So because I'm doing, I'm gonna
48:51
Speaker 1: be joining the patrons at six and we're just gonna
48:55
Speaker 1: be chatting about like whatever is on their mind. I
48:58
Speaker 1: guess I thought that I would get like some kind
49:00
Speaker 1: of raging feminists in here to like yell at me,
49:03
Speaker 1: and I thought it'd be good for meme farming, but
49:07
Speaker 1: apparently nobody wants to do it, so they just wanted
49:10
Speaker 1: to make I guess call every all you guys. Did
49:13
Speaker 1: you guys know that all you guys watching are in cells? Now?
49:17
Speaker 1: Somebody in the vertical chat just called us all in cells,
49:19
Speaker 1: So I guess it's over for us. I guess it's over.
49:24
Speaker 1: We're done. Go home, split your wrists, you know, run
49:30
Speaker 1: a hot bath, get a straight razor, and get to work.
49:34
Speaker 1: It's over for us. They called us a name. Was
49:38
Speaker 1: there ever once a feminist on these calling things? No, No,
49:42
Speaker 1: it's over for badg or cells. My feelings are destroyed.
49:47
Speaker 1: There you go, that's that's the appropriate response. Cry in
49:51
Speaker 1: the stream. Everybody tears. I want to see all of
49:55
Speaker 1: your tears, because that's what they're here for. Derek Workman says,
50:02
Speaker 1: these are some of the in the I'm just gonna
50:04
Speaker 1: read the vertical chat here. He said, draft circumcision, family courts,
50:08
Speaker 1: domestic violence laws, discrimination in criminal courts, et cetera. Yes,
50:13
Speaker 1: and like all of these things would just require the
50:16
Speaker 1: state to do what essentially pull back, right, it's not
50:18
Speaker 1: really about imposing anything. Men don't want handouts, they don't
50:22
Speaker 1: want free shit, they don't want gibbs. By and large,
50:25
Speaker 1: they just want to be left alone to essentially be
50:28
Speaker 1: able to realize, you know, whatever their destiny is, like
50:31
Speaker 1: whether that's a business or just like, you know, just
50:33
Speaker 1: living your life. I mean, look at what the UK
50:39
Speaker 1: government is doing to the farmers, Okay, and are are
50:43
Speaker 1: the farmers? Like is that are those guys probably mostly men,
50:47
Speaker 1: if not almost all men. I mean sure that a
50:50
Speaker 1: lot of times farmers are you know, it's the whole
50:52
Speaker 1: family that's working. But like, isn't it just the case
50:55
Speaker 1: that that's harming men at the end of the day,
51:02
Speaker 1: Let's see the idea that men are involuntarily celibate versus
51:08
Speaker 1: making choices that lead to celibacy is a tricky issue.
51:12
Speaker 1: Mister thrash sometimes A sometimes it's B. Well, that's not
51:15
Speaker 1: really what this show is about. I don't know why
51:17
Speaker 1: that people. That's like to people's default setting. Like I'm
51:21
Speaker 1: a married man. A lot of the people who watch
51:25
Speaker 1: us are probably also, you know, either are married, were married,
51:30
Speaker 1: or are involved with someone. That's not. Really this isn't
51:33
Speaker 1: about relationships. This is about like the law. This is
51:38
Speaker 1: about policy, This is about institutions. This is about like
51:43
Speaker 1: these social programs and initiatives that are in place that
51:47
Speaker 1: essentially disfavor men and favor women, and specifically like a
51:51
Speaker 1: certain kind of woman, like a kind of woman who
51:53
Speaker 1: exploit that to hurt people and benefit themselves. So Richard
51:59
Speaker 1: Bierre say, farms will get seized and converted to megafarms.
52:03
Speaker 1: There is a pandemic of married in cells, yes, and
52:06
Speaker 1: in cels with kids and stuff. Sure, it's about equality
52:09
Speaker 1: before the law. Yeah, that's basically the limit of it, right.
52:12
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the state doing that. You know,
52:20
Speaker 1: Death Desionism and feminism says governments should pay for regenerative
52:24
Speaker 1: stem cell medicine for those who were robbed can regenerate
52:27
Speaker 1: what was stolen. I don't know if the government needs
52:29
Speaker 1: to pay for that. But I think there are ways
52:31
Speaker 1: to make medicine like a lot more affordable, and that
52:35
Speaker 1: they could like leave room so that people could explore
52:38
Speaker 1: those avenues to regenerate lost tissue. Sure, fake cells, Yes,
52:44
Speaker 1: that's what a married in cel is. Fake like I
52:47
Speaker 1: am an impostor, guys, not a real one. Haters never call,
52:53
Speaker 1: Yeah they don't. That's okay, remember though, I'll try to
52:56
Speaker 1: do them like somewhat with some frequency. Do I have
53:00
Speaker 1: any super chats or anything? David Hubert became a member.
53:06
Speaker 1: Thank you, David Hubert, Welcome to SEED. I don't know
53:09
Speaker 1: anything about that, but that's what happened. David Hubert joined
53:12
Speaker 1: us as a member. Thank you so much. All Right,
53:16
Speaker 1: I guess there's no I only got one call. That
53:18
Speaker 1: kind of hurts my feelings. Guys, Brian is fake and gay,
53:25
Speaker 1: that's true. Brian is a social construct. I am not
53:29
Speaker 1: actually here. China and India is gonna buy up all
53:33
Speaker 1: the land they just like they just like they did
53:36
Speaker 1: in pr Puerto Rico. Did that happen? Do I no
53:39
Speaker 1: longer have a home to go back to if I
53:42
Speaker 1: get kicked out of the States When Trump sends the
53:45
Speaker 1: you know, the ice teams to kick the Puerto Ricans out,
53:48
Speaker 1: because we all know that's gonna happen. Everyone is trying
53:54
Speaker 1: to be nice to only have five minutes, s up.
53:55
Speaker 1: I could just quit early. Where's the other chat? The
53:59
Speaker 1: other vertical stream? Oh oh, the main horizontal stream is
54:03
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Just go to the channel. You'll
54:06
Speaker 1: see it in there. All right, Well, it looks like
54:09
Speaker 1: no one else is gonna call in, so I'm gonna
54:13
Speaker 1: close it out. But I want to thank our one caller,
54:17
Speaker 1: Anon for joining in, and I'll watch the I'll watch
54:23
Speaker 1: the videos that he's sent through. So Richard Ville says,
54:26
Speaker 1: what are you doing for the Friday after Thanksgiving? I'm
54:28
Speaker 1: probably gonna have to work. Pepperstone, thanks for your live.
54:33
Speaker 1: Thank you, Nibbas live like button, yes, please excellent live?
54:37
Speaker 1: Are you a bot? I get that a lot. Sometimes
54:40
Speaker 1: I get I do a live and people are like,
54:41
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is so great, but they don't
54:44
Speaker 1: really get specific. They're just like, wow, what's your phone number? No, no, no, no.
54:51
Speaker 1: There's a link in the description to go into the
54:56
Speaker 1: Discord server where Darth Sonic will essentially vet you guys.
55:02
Speaker 1: But I always say good vibes. Well, thank you Pepperstone. No,
55:05
Speaker 1: I've seen you in the chat before. All right, we're
55:07
Speaker 1: gonna end the show there. Thanks guys for coming on
55:09
Speaker 1: the stream. I'm gonna head into the Patron Show. You
55:11
Speaker 1: can join me in the nerd Cast chat room in
55:14
Speaker 1: the Honey Badger radio discord server, the main one, not
55:18
Speaker 1: the one that I'm currently using, and hopefully we'll see
55:22
Speaker 1: you all there. Mister Thrash says the government should apply
55:25
Speaker 1: the law equally. Yes, I agree. No, circumcision should not
55:29
Speaker 1: be legal full stop. It should not be legal, like
55:32
Speaker 1: they should totally make that ban that or at least
55:35
Speaker 1: because right now it's normalized. It's not even like a
55:38
Speaker 1: religious practice. It's just like when you have a child.
55:40
Speaker 1: Like I remember I knew a girl years ago. She
55:44
Speaker 1: was pregnant, she was gonna have a baby, she was
55:46
Speaker 1: having her first baby, and when she was coming close
55:50
Speaker 1: to the end, the doctor was like, so we're gonna
55:53
Speaker 1: do a circumcision, like he just said it, like it
55:55
Speaker 1: was normal. She was atheist, she didn't believe in anything,
55:59
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with that. And she told me
56:01
Speaker 1: about it, and she was like, what should I do that?
56:04
Speaker 1: And I was like no, you should not do that.
56:06
Speaker 1: And I was just getting involved with this, but I
56:08
Speaker 1: was like, my mother didn't do to any of us, like,
56:10
Speaker 1: none of none of her kids, me and my brothers
56:13
Speaker 1: not circumcised. And she didn't think it was necessary. She
56:16
Speaker 1: didn't think it was It wasn't normalized at that point.
56:18
Speaker 1: But I think it's been normalized. It started off as
56:22
Speaker 1: a religious practice and then it just became like a
56:24
Speaker 1: medical practice. I don't know if it's because of the
56:27
Speaker 1: number of Jewish doctors and they're just doing what they
56:29
Speaker 1: think is normal. But that was what was proposed. And
56:32
Speaker 1: I said to her, don't do it, and she didn't,
56:36
Speaker 1: and I think that she's you know, her and her
56:38
Speaker 1: kid are both grateful. So there's no need for it,
56:40
Speaker 1: there's no precedent for it. It doesn't need to exist.
56:43
Speaker 1: That's it, full stop. So anyway, thank you guys so
56:47
Speaker 1: much for coming on the show. I'll see you all
56:49
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